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Why You are Hopeless With Women | Maintaining Frame 123 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm back. Sorry about that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My
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  Speaker 2: name is Brian. I'm here with Alison, and this is
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  Speaker 2: maintaining frame. I probably should have made it a dating
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  Speaker 2: show now that I think about it, but it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Maintain frame number one twenty three. Why you are hopeless
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  Speaker 2: with women and you will never find peace. Actually, that
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  Speaker 2: seems like an oxymoron. You'll probably find peace if you
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  Speaker 2: don't find any women.
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  Speaker 1: I was about to say, uh, you buy you by
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  Speaker 1: fine women, but you probably will have to give up peace,
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  Speaker 1: especially with the women that you will.
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  Speaker 2: Can't have both, it's one or the other.
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  Speaker 1: Admittedly, I haven't watched this, so maybe her thesis is
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  Speaker 1: profound and nuance.
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  Speaker 2: Well I've watched it twice, so because I had to,
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  Speaker 2: I won't say anything because I think that that ruins
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  Speaker 2: that sort of kills the point of watching.
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  Speaker 1: The spoilers.
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  Speaker 2: No spoilers, no, no spoilers.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going and it's going to be just so.
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  Speaker 2: Was this like a request from a patron.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, this was a request. This is yet again another
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  Speaker 1: request from Richard Pierre. But at least this time it's different.
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  Speaker 2: No, only slightly.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a different it's.
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  Speaker 2: A different flavor of self entitled egomaniac Asian woman. It's
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  Speaker 2: not manifestel, it's a different one. But if you peel
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  Speaker 2: the skin off, it's basically v it's the same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a video from a YouTube channel call
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  Speaker 2: Everything with Eve, and she is going to explain why
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  Speaker 2: some of you are hopeless with women. So let's go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: I just jumped at. We're gonna play her little intro
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  Speaker 2: and then I have some places I can jump to,
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  Speaker 2: So here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Hey guys, welcome to another podcast episode. This one today is.
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  Speaker 4: In smilin all the video.
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  Speaker 2: What we haven't even started yet.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, she's ruining her accent.
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  Speaker 2: She's an Australian. She's an Australian. Yeah, so like we've
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  Speaker 2: been to Australia, there's a lot of nice it is,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of Asian people that live there
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  Speaker 2: a lot. I'm just saying, you've ever been, and it's
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  Speaker 2: not surprising because like Korea, South Korea and Japan are
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  Speaker 2: very close by.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, all right, I'm done, I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's let's continue. It is.
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  Speaker 4: I've been recommended on YouTube lately.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to name any specific channels, but.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back and just look at the channels
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  Speaker 2: that she's talking about, because this is like the impetist
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  Speaker 2: for her video.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, lovely.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So these are all men in their car videos
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  Speaker 2: and they have titles like women don't Want Me? I
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  Speaker 2: am a reject to every woman? Why is it so
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  Speaker 2: hard to get a girlfriend? And I guess there's more there.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm twenty seven and never had a girlfriend. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so we got we got men. These are all men.
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  Speaker 2: They well, I mean I think they're all men. I
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  Speaker 2: think the one in the middles of the man too.
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  Speaker 2: It's just you know, a little bit of a fairer
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  Speaker 2: fairer in the features, and they're all essentially like for
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  Speaker 2: you know, what they're doing. They're doing exactly what feminists
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  Speaker 2: always say men should do. They are expressing their emotions
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  Speaker 2: so that they don't end up exploding like a bomb
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  Speaker 2: and killing women, because that's what men do if they
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  Speaker 2: don't express their emotions. So they're doing that. And just
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  Speaker 2: so you know, they're gonna she's she's gonna expose.
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  Speaker 1: Them, expose them for having an emotion, for.
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  Speaker 2: Having emotions yes, which you which you should never do,
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  Speaker 2: uh okay, feelings and.
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  Speaker 3: Being very vulnerable talking about how it's very hard to
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  Speaker 3: get a girlfriend or maybe they're, you know, in the
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  Speaker 3: late twenties thirties, and they've never been in a relationship
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  Speaker 3: or never slept with anybody.
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  Speaker 4: And I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I absolutely love the dialogue that this conversation sparks.
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  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to join in and as a woman,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to give my take today.
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  Speaker 1: All right, all right, So, so she loves the fact
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  Speaker 1: that men are being vulnerable. I feel like I'm being
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  Speaker 1: set up here. I'm being sacked in somehow Am I
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  Speaker 1: being sacked in? Is this?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say anything. Let's just let her.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just let her go.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let her cook, Alison, Okay, Okay, I'll let her cook,
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  Speaker 1: all right, let her cook.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it and My take is going to be
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  Speaker 3: as blunt and honest as it gets on my end.
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  Speaker 4: And people can disagree with me. I totally respect that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just giving you a point of view, just adding
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  Speaker 3: to the conversation here.
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  Speaker 4: So, first of all, I'm going to go in.
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  Speaker 3: Strong and I'm going to ask you, guys, why the
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  Speaker 3: fuck would a woman date you? Why?
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  Speaker 4: Why should we?
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  Speaker 3: This is the problem, okay with people who are undateable.
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  Speaker 2: Let's listen to a little bit more of it.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, wait, I can't wait comment until I
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  Speaker 1: actually hear the men. Why are we hearing her first?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter she's adding to that. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you what do you want the
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  Speaker 2: men to say they're not attractive to women? Did?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: This is the beginning, doesn't So she watched this with
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  Speaker 1: her shitty opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I've watched the whole video. There are no clips,
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  Speaker 2: so she doesn't even just her talking. Yes, so we
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  Speaker 2: don't know what these men actually said.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what are we supposed to go on here? Lady?
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  Speaker 1: You're like, while there's this subset of men who have
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  Speaker 1: said things, I don't know what they look like, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know what Well we saw them. We saw them
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  Speaker 2: on the We saw what they looked like on the thumbnails.
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  Speaker 2: She shared the thumbnails? Did you not look at them?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually trying to open up the vertical make
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  Speaker 1: sure that I don't freeze because I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: try to monitor things too. Go back to the thumb, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take a look.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I absolutely love the dialogue that this conversation sparks.
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  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to name any specific channels.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know.
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  Speaker 1: What she loves is the fact that she's going to
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  Speaker 1: hurt people. This woman is despicable. I'm twenty seven and
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  Speaker 1: haven't had a girlfriend. Women don't want me. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: reject to every woman. Okay, Okay, well let's go with
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  Speaker 1: the blunt thing. Let's go. Let's let's see if she
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  Speaker 1: has any insight aside from why would women want you like?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, they're not. They're average looking dudes. None
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  Speaker 1: of them is a model.
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  Speaker 2: They are average looking dudes. Yes, that is true, dating.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of average looking women.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, why should we? This is the problem Okay with
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  Speaker 3: people who are undatable. It could be a man or
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  Speaker 3: a woman, but the point is they are not thinking
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  Speaker 3: about what the other person wants. All of us have
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  Speaker 3: a lot of shit going on in our lives.
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  Speaker 4: We have a lot on our plates.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we're all striving to be the best because
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  Speaker 3: we know that life is hard.
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  Speaker 4: Society is it always has.
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  Speaker 1: About their own problems. Like I mean, these guys, they're undatable,
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  Speaker 1: they feel like they're non people. But have they considered
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  Speaker 1: my problems?
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  Speaker 2: There's a real there's a real irony.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, damn, this could be fun, is it.
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  Speaker 2: There's a real irony in her thesis in a way,
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  Speaker 2: because remember she started off saying, why haven't why aren't
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  Speaker 2: you guys thinking about what the other person wants? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So apparently that's part of the problem, is that these
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  Speaker 2: men they're not thinking about what a potential partner is
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  Speaker 2: looking for. I guess it's like how I would if
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  Speaker 2: I were to simplify it. Okay, So let's let's keep
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  Speaker 2: going in.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Society has always favored the people who are successful,
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  Speaker 3: and in conventional times that means.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but if they know that they're rejected, then they
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  Speaker 1: at least have some idea of what the other person
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  Speaker 1: doesn't want, right.
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  Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, Well, they know what they what, they
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  Speaker 2: know what they don't want, right, and maybe they maybe
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  Speaker 2: you know, she doesn't really go into it. But if
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to understand the position of these men,
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  Speaker 2: it may be that they are not getting a clear
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  Speaker 2: idea of what they should be doing because they're not
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  Speaker 2: being told they don't they don't know, you know, so
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  Speaker 2: like maybe it's like or they have like a distorted
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  Speaker 2: idea about themselves. Like this is one of the things
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  Speaker 2: that a mom can do to sort of ruin her
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  Speaker 2: kid is to tell him that he is like super
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  Speaker 2: handsome and perfect then doesn't need to change and all
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  Speaker 2: of that. And then the guys go out into the
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  Speaker 2: world thinking that that might be true, and of course
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  Speaker 2: women shoot them down. But it's not their fault as men,
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  Speaker 2: it's not their fault because another thing that should be
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  Speaker 2: considered is what why, Like men aren't simply being rejected
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  Speaker 2: because they're not living up to some standard. That's not
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  Speaker 2: the only thing. It's not like this is basically alex
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  Speaker 2: sych locus of control type stuff that she's basically going
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  Speaker 2: along with. But I think that this is ultimately a
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  Speaker 2: problem we can get into a little bit later. When
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  Speaker 2: she I mean she doesn't. I'll say this much. She
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have a bad advice, Like it's kind of common
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  Speaker 2: sense stuff that she does bring forward, but that's not
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  Speaker 2: going to address the problem. No, I don't think so anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the locus of control stuff is really interesting because
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  Speaker 1: I did get into a bit of a back and
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  Speaker 1: forth with a woman who ended up blocking me, and
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  Speaker 1: she said that men need to be vulnerable, and I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: what are the vulnerabilities that you say men have? And
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  Speaker 1: then she described vulnerability in the same way that you
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  Speaker 1: would describe stoicism, able to feel and manage difficult emotions,
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  Speaker 1: take risks, deal with shame. And I'm like, no, that's stoicism,
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  Speaker 1: not vulnerability. Vulnerability is being in a situation where you
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  Speaker 1: can be victimized by outside factors, external factors. It's like
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  Speaker 1: there's a real difficulty with like there's a role that
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  Speaker 1: people think men occupy and it is inconsistent with recognizing
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  Speaker 1: any kind of external factor affects men. And I'm like
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  Speaker 1: watching these guys, these people over and over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over assert this idea that anything that men experience
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  Speaker 1: they should be able to internalize an overcome and that
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  Speaker 1: is the role that they have like, there's no nuance
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  Speaker 1: to it, there's no well, yeah, but how to men
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  Speaker 1: like internalize an asteroid strike? You know, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: And it really speaks to this unexamined expectation of men
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  Speaker 1: and women. And the unexamined expectation is that men judge
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  Speaker 1: themselves by receiving an external problem and solving it, and
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  Speaker 1: women judge themselves by how well they get men to
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  Speaker 1: solve their problems. And you know, nobody's examining this. Nobody
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  Speaker 1: is being honest about it, because to be honest about it,
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  Speaker 1: we'd be to recognize that feminism is just another iteration
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  Speaker 1: of it. And so yeah, I mean, so yeah. It
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  Speaker 1: does really come down to this, this additional expectation that
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  Speaker 1: probably women like this put on men to internalize everything everything.
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  Speaker 1: And I ask the woman, well, what difficult emotions do
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  Speaker 1: you think that men are experiencing and where where are
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  Speaker 1: they coming from? And then she blacked me mm hmm,
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  Speaker 1: too much thinking for the day. I guess, yeah, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, let's play some more. I'm just opening the intro.
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  Speaker 2: And then she has like three sort of steps or
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  Speaker 2: three yeah, three steps or three lessons that she's trying
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  Speaker 2: to pass along So let's let's get through the intro first.
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  Speaker 3: Attractive, wealthy, fit all these things right, because biologically we
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  Speaker 3: are driven to want to find a great partner. We
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  Speaker 3: are driven to want people to admire us, to have status,
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  Speaker 3: to be able to board nice things, right, and we
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  Speaker 3: want to pass on our jeans. This is just the standard,
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  Speaker 3: and not everybody has to follow this standard. Obviously. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's a big world up there, and people are becoming
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  Speaker 3: a lot more open minded now, but generally this is
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  Speaker 3: how it is. This is why a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: struggle because they don't work with these standards that are
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  Speaker 3: already there. So my take is that the reason women
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  Speaker 3: don't want to date is because you have nothing to offer.
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  Speaker 3: So the first thing we're going to address is the
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  Speaker 3: stand I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Sure I've never considered that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that they've never Yeah. Again, this is
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  Speaker 2: like obvious stuff. But so men who are failed. And
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  Speaker 2: again she says in the beginning, this also applies to women,
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  Speaker 2: but I watched the whole video. It applies to men.
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  Speaker 2: She's not talking about women. She brings up women at
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  Speaker 2: the end, like, oh yeah, women do this too. But
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of like a thing that she feels like
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  Speaker 2: I have to say this just so that the men
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  Speaker 2: don't come after me in the comments or whatever. But ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: men are the ones that are judged by what they
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  Speaker 2: can bring to the table. Women are the table, so
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  Speaker 2: they don't have to It doesn't mean that like they'll
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  Speaker 2: acknowledge that women can be toxic or dangerous to man.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they'll acknowledge that, but most of the time it's
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  Speaker 2: not their fault. It's because the man wasn't you know,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't. I don't know, he didn't vet the table
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  Speaker 2: before he Yeah, did he didn't? Patriarch. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Brian, you could fly if you just internalized
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  Speaker 1: gravity enough. Yeah, just recognized it. That The issue is
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  Speaker 1: how you think about gravity, not the fact it exists
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  Speaker 1: as an external force acting on you as a man.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. So anyway, she's gonna get into the three things.
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  Speaker 2: I think the first, uh, this, this might be less
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  Speaker 2: than one. Here, let me just check my time codes
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  Speaker 2: really quick. Two fifteen. Maybe let me just see here.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's let's play a little bit more of.
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  Speaker 3: This statement that people love to mention, which is, if
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  Speaker 3: you have a good looking guy and if you also
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  Speaker 3: have a not so attractive guy. They could be saying
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  Speaker 3: the same things, they could be making the same moves,
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  Speaker 3: and the woman would be attracted to this guy over here,
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  Speaker 3: the good looking one, whereas she would see the other
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  Speaker 3: guy as a creep and then not open the door for.
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  Speaker 4: Him or give him a chance.
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  Speaker 3: Right, First of all, I'm going to say that I
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  Speaker 3: totally agree with this statement. But before you use this
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  Speaker 3: as a reason to have a really unattractive, defeatist attitude
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: and use it as an excuse to say, yeah.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: I don't have a chance anyway, why should I even try? Right,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I want you to ask why is that?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Why is it that good looking people are more likely
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: to have a chance. Perhaps, and I'm just saying, maybe
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: it's because when you're attractive, you radiate self love. It
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: shows that you put effort into yourself, and maintaining appearance
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: takes a lot of effort.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: So she accepts that this double standard exists. But well,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: you know what's funny about this is that So Okay,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: first of all, Alison, do you want to say anything,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: because this is like the main main thing. She's basically
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: gonna say that. You know, if you take care of yourself,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: you eat well, you exercise, you shower, you practice, you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: self grooming. Self love is how the word she uses.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I don't like those words, and I can get into
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: why later because I think that's a form of self worship.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: But you know, taking care of yourself is sort of
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: common sense stuff. But the I mean, those things I
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: don't have a problem with. I think people should essentially
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: engage in those things. Sure, But I think there's another
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: part of this that she does not acknowledge. But I
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: want you to give you a chance to talk about
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: it first. Okay, Okay, well, yeah, obviously obviously it does here. Yeah,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: but here's the thing. Here's the thing. Okay, what she
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: is not understanding is that if a woman finds a
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: man gives her the ick or makes her if a
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: woman identifies a man as creepy, the thing that he
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: is in danger of is not simply being rejected. Okay,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Like we have essentially made men and women's ability to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: engage with each other socially nearly impossible because of all
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: of the other sort of things that come with it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Like if a woman feels creeped out, she can like
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: call the cops on a guy. She can get a
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: guy fired, she can ruin his life. So men are
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: not in fact encouraged to approach women unless they have
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: already essentially grinded their whole life, maxed out their levels,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: did all the side quests, got all of the best
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: loot the legendary gear, and then they can approach the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: woman and maybe they won't creep her out. And this
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: woman is like, yeah, that's what you should do. You
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: got to level up, and that's what essentially what they
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: are saying. And I think that this is the problem
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: because what these men need is not advice from a woman.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: What these men need is essentially to you know, sort
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: of like if there is work to be done on yourself,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: which I think everybody, including women, should definitely be doing that,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: but they don't need women like this telling them how
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: to do it because they don't know. They're just saying,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: level up, go ahead, I did it, and it's like, yeah,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: but your your journey is the same. Well that's what
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: she would claim, because she even says in this video
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: that she used to be fat and ugly and then
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: she like, you know, took care of her well, probably
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: got some surgery done, and you know where she's.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Probably where if you took the makeup off, she'd probably
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: looked like the guy in the top video. There, let
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: me see, yeah what yeah, no, look at the look
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: at the Asian dude in the top video. Very again, No, no,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: it's in the like it's in the top thumbnail. Sorry
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I actually paused in the thumbnail. Sorry, So I'm referring
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: to something that you guys can't see. But yeah, if
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you look at the Asian doing the top, very similar
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: features and I don't just mean that they're they're Asian.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: They have a very similar sized nose, similar depth, looks like,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: probably a similar placement to their eyes. You put slap
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: some makeup on that dude and they could probably be twins.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: So why is he not able to get a partner
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: unless you well, okay and goes really femboy roots.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Asian men are considered unattracted. They're considered the least
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: attractive by women because they're the more the most feminine
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: like in terms. I'm not saying that I don't think
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Asian men are unattractive, but I'm saying that, like, there
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: was studies done that in general, Asian men are considered
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: or found to be the least attractive men maybe like
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: by women. So I'm not saying that it's true. I'm
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: just saying by women along with Indian men as well,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and the most attractive men were like you know, white
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: men or Latino men, and then like but the more masks,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: like the more like uh, you know, higher testosterone men,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and like certain types have like you know, different the
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: expression is a little bit different. Are more attractive women?
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Just like in women, the more feminine looking women are
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: considered more attractive, So Asian women are seen as the
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: most attractive for example. So but anyway, Yeah, but here's
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the thing too, is that she does acknowledge that she
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: thinks that a lot of these men are not unattractive.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: She thinks that they're average or even somewhat attractive, but
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: that their attitude is what makes them unattractive.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Well, how tall are they, because honestly, that's a big
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: part of it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But that's another thing that she doesn't
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: bring up his height.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I wonder, like, does she consider makeup to be part
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of taking care of yourself? Because it isn't.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: She does talk about that later on.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Makeup isn't taking care of yourself, it's faking taking care
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of yourself. Mm hmm, Like that's like, you know, makeup
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: is faking taking care of your skin, eating right, getting
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: plenty of water, that kind of stuff, of course, and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: it's also faking certain genetic qualities that you don't actually have,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: right symmetrical features.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: You know, us talk about that. Yeah, I think we
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: should listen to more of the video because all of
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the stuff you're bringing up she brings up. So okay,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: all right, maybe chance I'm.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Just really ugly blah blah blah. Before we keep upping,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: think about this. Most people are average. That's the reality
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: on social media. It doesn't look like it, but.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Most people are average, okay. And the fact of the
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: matter is you can still get a girlfriend whether you're
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: like a supermodel, or you're average or you are ugly.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: People have proven that, yes, you can still get a
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: partner even if you're ugly as fuck, or even if
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: you broke as fuck, it can still happen. These are
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: possibilities and people have proven this time and time again.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So these are videos of of this is the same guy.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, like why she showed three images
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the same guy, but he felt he was he felt
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: that he was very unattractive. He made it he was
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: making YouTube videos about it, and then he found a
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: woman and and that's good. But okay, so.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: What seemed that much more attractive than him?
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he doesn't care, like I mean generally like
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: like attracts like.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Like abtracts like I don't see. I guess.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, she's using this to say, look, he did it,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you can do it too. Right now again, like maybe
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe these guys shouldn't be making videos about their
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: struggles with relationships and posting online because like, the Internet's
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: not gonna be come to you. I don't know why
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you would do that. I don't know what you're hoping for.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: It's probably not a good idea. But they did it anyway,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: because I don't know. Maybe this's like a zoomer thing
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: to do that probably is, yeah, probably, But again, like
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I would, I would try to be supportive, but I
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: guess I don't know. Anyway. This is so she's saying,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: stop complaining, let's play more quick complaining.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Also, I would like to make a case for guys
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I have known and come across in my life who
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: conventionally objectively, I thought that they were very attractive, they
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: had very symmetrical features, they were fit. You know, everything
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: that says this is a good looking person, right, And
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I can tell you there are lots of instances where
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: these men still really turn us girls off because of
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: their terrible personalities, you know, because they just lack something
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you can be.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Fust What they lack is dark triad. Yeah, let's be
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: quite honest. Dark triad men have a personality what did
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: they call it, like a person It was a particular
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: type of of of word. But they have a let's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: just call it, like a personality framework that is attractive
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: to women. Like literally, dark triad men have personalities that
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: attract women. So what you're being turned off by is
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: probably just being normal and not being whatever it is
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: that dark try head men and are like, I don't know,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: super exciting, a little bit dangerous something the other.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I think that's right as an example, and it's going
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: to be a bit of a digression. But I was
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: just talking to Lindsay before the show and we were
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: both talking about that, the fact that they are making
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: there there there is a remake of American Psycho in
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the works, and I looked at it a little bit
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: and found that I think they're gonna miss the entire
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: point because and this is this is relevant because Patrick
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Bateman is you know, like a psychopath that is attractive
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: to women. And this is because he takes really good
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: care of himself. Like there's this whole thing in the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: beginning of the movie where he has his entire routine
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: so that he looks, you know, like as good as
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: he possibly can, and he's very concerned about his appearance
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and he's very concerned about fitting in. That's like that
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: was like one of his big things. If you guys
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: never seen the movie, I recommend it's a great character study.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: And of course there's a lot of memes, but the
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: takeaway from the film is that there is something hollow
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: about his materialist lifestyle that is not giving him any gratification,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: which is why he may or may not have become
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: like a murderer, which we don't know because there's a
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: lot of other things that it's talking about, but it
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: looks like it. But then they're doing a remake of
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and from what I've seen, they're just going to present
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: him as this like thirst trap for women, Like he's
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: just like like whoever they got playing him is like
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: this really you know, sexy guy with a great body
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: and it's it's like basically they took Let's put it
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: like this, Patrick Bateman says something about people, and I
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: think it's mostly like men who are like living in
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: a materials lists world, trying to figure out what it
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: means to be like the absolute apex of your own
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: potential and the dangers of how that could dehumanize you
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and make it to where you are. You you can't
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: like grasp anything real because everything around you is fake, okay,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And then you have And that's the way that I
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: think you should be looking at that film if you
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: watch it, and I think a lot of men that
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: relate to that they do. That's why there are all
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: of these, you know, American psycho memes out there on
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the internet. But then you have this remake which is
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: aimed at women. I can almost guarantee you it is.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: And they all they have done is they take in
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Christian Gray and put him in this movie, which completely
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: misses the point because the dark triad traits are not
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: supposed to be attractive, like men are not supposed to
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: want to pursue that. But this is where we live
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: in now. This is the paradigm we are now under.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: It is the paradigm directed by like a kind of
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: extremely toxic feminine worldview that is infecting everything. And it's
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: basically saying, oh, no, American psycho, that's hot. Let's let's
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: let's redo that and make it really hot. And it's like,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: but he's a murderer or he has murderous impulses at least, right,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, like, when you mentioned Dark Triad,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I thought about that, because that's fifty shades of Gray,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, and that's what they're doing. They're gonna take
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Christian Gray and they're gonna put him in the movie
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: because this is where women are at right now. This
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: is where they're at right now. They want that. And
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: so when regular guys who are just like, look, I
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: just want a small job, a little house, maybe some kids,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: and that's it. I want to live in the world
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: and just do those things, women are like that. That
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: gives me the as it's yeah, it's boring. Where's the adventure,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: where's the you know? And why is that? Well? I
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: think it goes back to what you and I have
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: been talking about a lot, is because women find all
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: of this empty, like they're the psychos now, Like they
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: find this empty because they're not. They're not. They're purposeless. Really,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: they're purposeless. So they're just like how can I get stuff?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, So anyway, I have an article like in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: case people are wondering if, oh, are you so full
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of crap? No psychology Today, men with psychopathic traits tend
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: to create favorable impressions on women, according to a new
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: study published in Evolutionary psycho Psychology Science. So that's irrespective
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: of good looks. So when she says have a better personality,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: do we really want to open up that can of worms?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Do we really want to encourage men to start cultivating
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: what I guess women find good in the average personality?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Like why can't women just realize that these guys are
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: too good to be true? Right there? Well, are often
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the the miasma of danger. What's really interesting is that
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: these are the guys they would say, don't give them
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the ick, and they don't regard as creepy, and yet
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: they're the ones who are more likely to rape, beat,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: cheat on, steal from, take your kidney, kill your dog. Like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: how come these guys don't give you the ick or
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: you don't find them creepy? These are the dangerous ones.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: These are the ones whose personalities you like and yet
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and so there must be a big disconnect between actual
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: danger and these these terms like ick and creepy and
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Right, there is a disconnect here,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and I don't think we're bridging it because if you
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: don't find men who are just normal attractive, and it
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: looks like I don't know how many women, but it
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: looks like the average women because they just use the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: term women in this study, So the average woman if
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: they had exactly like a two twins and one of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the twins was a sociopath and the other one was
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a normal guy, they would say the normal guy gives
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: them the itck and seems like a creep and the
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: sociopath is so dreamy. There's a problem here, and it's
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: not with men. I guess men could start learning from
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: sociopaths and start adopting their personality styles. But then it's
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: an awful feeling, isn't it to be? Like, Okay, well,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I have to pretend to be somebody different to attract
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: my female partner, and that different person is a psycho,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Like I'm attracting a woman who would prefer to be
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: with a murderous, Like well she does.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: She does kind of mention that guys shouldn't have to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: change who they are. But that's what the the issue
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: is though. The issue is that it doesn't matter because
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: women are going to be attracted to whatever they're attracted to,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: so she's not she Essentially, this whole video becomes about
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: like all the stuff that men can do, but it
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: doesn't address what women like or want. So this is
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: why it's a problem, because men can like again, I
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: thought that the advice was good advice, but I don't
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: think it's going to get you a woman. That's the thing.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: She thinks it will. Oh no, this will work, This
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: will works, Like no, but you should do it, but
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: not because it might attract a partner, because like, you
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: can't you can't control you know that these like men.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: That's why men are just why wouldn't they They're just
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: checking out, like I don't want to do this. There's
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: too much work, too much money, too much trouble, you know,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: too much heartache. I'm I'm not going to do it,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: And women are like, why aren't you trying? Here's a
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: bunch of advice. It's like, no, it's over. Stop change
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: change you know, all to your standards a little bit.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Take a step back and stop calling yourself a ten.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Well I'm saying, stop calling yourself a ten, realize you're
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: mid and then like, you know, work with that. Stop
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: trying to like be the be the you know, you're
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: not Beyonce. It's over.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: It's I don't even think it's standards. It's like, well,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it's altering standard because I remember I
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: was in home math server and I was talking to
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: this woman and she said, well, it seems like what
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: men consider to be good is a woman with lower standards,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I was thinking about that. I'm like, no,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: it's not. They want a woman who's an actual companion,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: like who actually wants a man and doesn't consider them worthless.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: It's nothing to do with lowering your standards. It's becoming
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: somebody who has who isn't materialistic and understands the value
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of human relations of course, every human being wants to
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: be with a person who understands the value of human relationships.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: And that's not lowering your standards. It's getting better standards.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah all right, well yeah, higher quality, more quality standards.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Not basically okay, anyway, let's play some more of the video.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can be on TV and you can still
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: turn women off. What's more, I used to go to
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: school and I would meet these really decent looking guys, right,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: and they still had no girlfriend because they were weird.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: They had low self esteem. And these were guys who
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: were above average. I even thought they were kind of cute,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: but they just radiated really weird desperate energy.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, because.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that was the clip I wanted to play
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: because you know, like what is the weird desperate energy?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what you mean by that? Like
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: if you told a man the problem is is that
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: you radiate weird deathk for energy? What what like what
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: is he supposed to do with that? Why do women
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: make like tell you shit that you can't change and
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: you can't even like comprehend. Yeah, the energy. I don't
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: like the energy? What does that even mean? What do
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: you Why can't you just tell us I know something? No,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I know you know what she means. You're a woman too,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: But like men don't get that. We want like abject
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: like what do I do? What? How much money do
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I have to make? How much?
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Like that's it, like just I'm sorry, but if a
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: woman gives you the weird energy vibe thing, just walk away.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: It's not worth it. I'm you know, I'm not a
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: translator for women's craziness. It's just it's exhausting. I'm getting
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: tired just watching this.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, for anybody who wants to actually try, the
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: weird energy thing is. And I get what she's saying.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think she has any way of, like you said,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: she has no way of explaining to men how they
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: resolve this. And you know, I mean, like being autistic.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I think I have a little bit of a window
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to this because I do think that I give off
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a weird energy too often. And the way that I've
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: tried to resolve this is just patience developing patience, right, Okay,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: So she says, let's say that because this is the
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: thing too.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, She's saying that these guys are giving off a
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: weird energy, so let's let's try to understand what that is.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: So I think that what that might what she might
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: be trying to say is that they're introverted and shy
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and they and that they're not they're not exuding confidence.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Because she goes into why confidence is really important. That's
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: why I think what she's saying is is that they're
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: not doing Basically, giving off weird energy means he's not
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: doing what I find attractive. Therefore it's not neutral. I
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: find it unattractive. There's no neutral ground, there's no Oh,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I see they're trying to like connect, but they they're
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: not really sure what's gonna work, or they're afraid of
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: saying something wrong. Because if you're a guy talking to women,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: you say something and it comes across wrong, guess what
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: you're in trouble, right, Because we have created a society
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: that makes it nearly impossible for men to interact with
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: women without risking getting in big trouble with the law
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: or their school, or their job or whatever. So this
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: puts men in a very very bad position of having
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: to take a giant risk when they approach women. Now,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: now let's couple that with some other things. We know
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: that more and more men, because of stuff that's been
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: going on with bird control and other things across the generations,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: plastics and estrogens in our food and water and all that,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: are more likely to be a little autistic, if not
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: a lot autistic. So now we have essentially handicap. We'vencapped
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: them again. We've made it to where socializing in general
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: is difficult. We've taken the fathers away from them. We
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: have essentially given women priority in terms of their education
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and their job opportunities. They're making more money, they're getting
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: more and the men still have to approach women and
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: talk to them and say, hey, I got something to offer.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I think and if they're a little bit spurgy, and
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: because a lot of them are going to be a
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: little bit spurgy and shy and awkward, right, then women
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: are going to find that unattractive because they have literally
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: like made it nearly impossible for men to meet those
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: like this is not even a high bar. This is
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: like a bar of being like a normal person. But
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: because again we have done all this to men over
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: so much time, it's like, how could they possibly even
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: like and again the risks are too high, like the
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: me Too movement and everything else. It's just she can't
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: understand that because as a woman, she's never had to
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: deal with that. In fact, I guarantee you, I will
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: bet you whatever I have in the bank, which is
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: probably less than like three hundred dollars, but well five
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: hundred I'll guarantee you that if you asked her how
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: do you feel about the dating market after me too
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and everything else, she wouldn't have a problem with it,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: to be like, oh no, it was a totally necessary
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: good thing. We got rid of the bad men. The
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: bad men are gone. Of course it applies to all men.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: But whatever. So, like long story short, like what men
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: have nothing to work with? Like they're very little and
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: she's like wagging her finger at them, and she's like,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: why aren't you trying? And it's like, look what you've
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: done with them?
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: What where can men practice this kind of stuff? Like
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: we honestly they Basically what our society does is it says, well,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you need to learn how to be suave and debonair
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and confident. And the way that we're going to get
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you to practice is we're gonna make you run through
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: this minefield and if you make one mistake, you're gonna
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: get blown up. Like it's like, yeah, where do men's
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: practice these? And if they go to pickup artists? Of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: course pickup artists are now not allowed or are hounded.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: They're not well I guess I don't know. They must
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: still operate, So where are men supposed to practice the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: ability to approach someone who this society has granted every
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: power over their identity and their self worth. Like I mean,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: let's face it, women determine whether or not in our
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: society women's benefit, and how men act out towards women
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: determines how that man is seen socially. So we've put
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: a situation where the woman has every control over the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: perception of social reputation and were if anything, Well, maybe
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: it's not increased, but it's always you know, it's something
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that's probably always been the case. But maybe we had
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit more sympathy, a little bit more ability
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: for men to fail. Maybe not, Maybe this is something you.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: No, well I think again. Another thing is she doesn't
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: bring she doesn't talk about dating sites, but like the
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: way that men and women meet now is mostly through
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: dating sites, and I think it's all I think it's
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: all wrong. I don't think it's the way to go.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: But I don't know that I can change that because
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: that's just kind of like where we are right now,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: especially if you're a man. Because like the thing is
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: like first impressions, Okay, Like I don't know, I just
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: don't think it's the I don't think dating sites are good.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I don't like them. I think they're bad for relationships.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I you know, I just do. I don't know. I
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: don't think they work.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, well they don't.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: First of all, apparently only one in ten relationships start
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: with dating sites, which is terrible if you consider how
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: ubiquitous they are for people meeting each other like this,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: like they've barely made a dent. Dating sites have barely
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: made a dent in getting people together like they they
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: are fundamental failures on every level. Again, like the statistic
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I just cited was one in ten relationships started in
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: a dating site, okay, and yet how many intern like
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: how many dates are set up by dating sites like this?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: This is a terrible ratio at this point. If dating
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: sites were useful at all, we'd have like ninety percent
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: relationships were started in a dating site, not ten. So
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: it's still like meeting in person. But again, where can
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: men practice these skills? Where can men learn to resolve
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: their awkward desperation that she talks about which I know
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: exactly what she's talking about, and yes it's off putting.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I look at that, I'm like, well,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: but where can men learn not to be that way?
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: All they learn is to invest more and more and
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: more of their identity in somehow getting a woman, and
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: then that's going to just increase the weird desperation. So
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the only way to really really do that, to stop that,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: would be to create a situation where they can approach
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: women and not experience this kind of fear of tremendous
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: social repercussions that can come. Rejection is awful. But then
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the other thing is that I think a lot of
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: men simply just they see what women are now and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: they're saying, no, they don't want it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: It's just I mean, yeah, I'm sure it's painful, but
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: it's like a rational, pragmatic choice. It's like, I mean,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: what are women doing.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: What are they sounding that they showing to men on mass?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Are they saying, well, being desirable, being respected, being loved
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: is on offer? No, what they're overwhelmingly demonstrating is that
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you're going to get into a lizard brain course materialistic
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: exchange with someone who's going to constantly look at you
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the way a cat looks at a mouse. Why the
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: hell would you want to live like that? And then
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the other thing is that there's so many dements you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: were talking about, all the shit men have to be
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: perfect right off the bat. Well, at what point to
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: men realize that they're in a relationship with themselves?
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she says.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I'm the table. Basically, what she's saying is you're gonna
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: have to be in a relationship with yourself. If you
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: want to be in a relationship with me, then why
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: do you even need the woman? At that point, I
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: guess mm hmmm, Well, I mean I'm not I'm not
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: a guy. I can't say that. And I know skuys
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: have said, oh, but you're you're speaking from a privileged position.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: But really, at that point, you're having a relationship with
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: what is it like? What is she brings? Nothing? Then?
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Who is who is having a relationship with who? Okay,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: all right, so I'll shut up now.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: All right, let me play some more. I skipped ahead
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: So how are you supposed to build on your life?
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: How are you supposed to have anything to offer us
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: at all?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Whether that's just an interesting personality, you know, just some
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: knowledge and hobbies and things that you like, or even
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: just an air of self love, which is much more
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: attractive than someone who that that's.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Why the Dark Triad men are so attractive. It's that
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: air of self love.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so she makes self love a big part of
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: it and it I think that this, I know, just
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: koreat It makes me cringe inside and because okay, I
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: think this is the problem with this attitude. And it
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: goes back to something I've said many times already. You're
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: not here to be happy, You're here to be useful.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: And women have to internalize that, like, what is your
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: like If you're only engaging in self love, self worship,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: self idolatry, whatever you want to call it, you are
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: not going to be happy. And the data shows this
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: for women. And it is kind of like magical thinking.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: It's still magical thinking, right, It's not useful. And again,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I think that what makes people really like feel like
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: they're thriving is when they are serving like something greater.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: It could be a marriage, relationship, family, community, whatever, Right.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I think that over emphasizing yourself limits your personal growth
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: because then you start affirming that you're perfect the way
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: you are, and then you don't do anything better. So
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't think this is like a
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: healthy attitude, but I know it's a very popular one
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: with these kind of female dating strategy types. And again
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: she even admitted herself that she was on she thought
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: of herself as ugly and unattractive. Now, of course she
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: shows video of what she used to look like. I
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: don't think it's that much different, but this is like,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: let's get to it.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Then, let's get to it, all right. No, I get
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: what you're saying about the self love thing. Well you
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: know what, lady, that's why you keep attracting narcissists. Are
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: you keep being attracted to narcissists?
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the funny thing.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: She's like, well, what men you need to give off
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: this aura of self love? Six months later, my ex
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: was a narcissist, Like do you see the connection here?
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah you should.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: For sure, she'd go, we were a little less self loving.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I got some super chat and stuff I should read.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Hold on, let make sure to miss a super chow.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Not yet, so Senior Stix gave us two dollars and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: says Tinder Grinder, e Harmony, Body Pillows Chat GPT, thank you.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: I hope you're not talking to chat GPT in that way.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Nova Fan twenty one gives us a dollar. Well, he
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: gives us two rumble rants a dollar each. It's like
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: a two parter, so I does read them both. I
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: know the tech is nowhere near enough for this, but
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: imagine if hypothetically someone builds a chatbot that perfectly mimics
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: a healthy woman and men learn how to make her happy.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Imagine what would happen if said men tried their social
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: skills are real women and discover either too few or
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: zero women are We're not horrible partners. Imagine the feminist
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: outrage and cope over it. You know, people have brought
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: this up. I think maybe even Elon Musk said something
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: about like using AI to like train men to talk
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: to women. But again, I don't think that that's the
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: problem unless unless the chat bot was trained on the
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: way that women, you know, like what women's standards are
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: right now. I don't know though, so but yeah, I
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: mean again, I I still don't I don't. Yeah, but
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I still don't think because if they know they're talking
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: to a chatbot, then they know that there's no like
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: real negative consequences, and it might be a safe way
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: to practice. But I don't know if it's better than
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: like maybe what it's for me anyway, maybe I'm old fashioned,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: but like maybe they should just make friends with women
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: that are not sexually y're not sexually attracted to at all,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: or at least like make that like, don't make that
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: a priority in any way, just like you know, see
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: if you see if you like to spend time with
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: them in a casual, platonic setting, and that's it. I
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: think that that will make That'll that don't think that
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: would do wonders and especially with other men as well.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think that we really, like we're really encountering
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: some difficulties in we nobody's being honest about it, because
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: everybody's a motive in this con in this in this topic,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: women want to defend their moral blamelessness. Men want to
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: defend the idea that they can power through anything. But
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I'm actually thinking that if this is this is a
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: genuine artifact that women just tend to be more attracted
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: to the personalities of the most anti social men out there,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: then maybe all of this, you know, like cloistering and
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: that we saw in the past and vetting through families
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: and all of this other stuff was absolutely essential to
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: maintain like a civil society. Because this is and and
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: and if women, women's families aren't gonna do it for them.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: If women are women's families aren't gonna, you know, slap
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: them in the face and say that dude is no
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: good for you up screwing around with anatole Natasha, you
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: know that kind of thing. Sorry reference, but you know,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: if their families are not going to do it, then
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: women need to learn to get over this and stop
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: finding dark triad men attractive. Start realizing that that kind
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: of behavior is it's not it's it is indicative of
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: somebody who is who's actually genuinely dangerous. I mean, and
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: part of it is I think dark triad men don't
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: give a crap about women's opinions. They just give a
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: crap about women's perceptions. Do you see the difference?
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the reason why that's that's how they get in
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: those pants.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, but it's how they also do whatever it
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: is that they're going to do, which is maneuver you
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: into a position where you can't say no, steal your kidney,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: steal your bank account, do whatever else that they're going
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: to do. You know, Like it's because they have a
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: predatory mindset when it comes to women. They don't give
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: a crap about your opinion. Therefore they don't have that
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: what she described as desperate energy. Yeah, the men who
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: care about your opinion are feel desperate because they don't
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: want to run a foul of your negative opinion of them.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: So they're scared of that. Dark tri dead men aren't
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: scared of that. They couldn't give a crap about your opinion.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: All they care about is that you perceive them as attractive.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: That's it. And maybe she should consider, well, if the
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: guy has a little bit of nervous freaking energy, and
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: there's probably is more like nervous energy than they just
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: like like crazy desperate energy, you know, maybe there's a
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: reason for it, and that's a good sign. If he's
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: nervous around you, I mean, I mean it's nice when
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: he's comfortable, sure, but if he's a little bit nervous
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: around you, you know, maybe it's a good sign. Maybe
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: it's a sign the guy actually has a conscience. Hey,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: maybe you should start to work on realizing that maybe
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: you should be attracted to that. You know, what was
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: it that that that song the Shy Guy? It was
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: it was something that came out like it was when
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: women were still writing songs about men in positive ways.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: My guy is shy A little.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Long time ago. Yeah, I was listening to music today
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: and you know, there's a song by Lily Allen called
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Smile and it was playing in my Spotify and Lindsay
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: was like, I like this song, and I was like, yeah,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I do too. It's very catchy, but if you listen
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: to the lyrics, it's not good. Like basically everything everything
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: from the nineties on was like super nihilistic music, even
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: if it sounded good, yeah, or it was super simpy
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: if you were a man. Holy crap, there was a
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: lot of simpy music in the nineties. But anyway, go ahead, Uh, yeah,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: he's a shy guy, shy guy.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Or the other one. There was another one.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: By the Pointer Sisters.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the that's what I was thinking, the Pointer Sisters.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: But I by second guess myself because you know, I
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: don't uh huh remember trivia very well. But yeah, like that, Uh,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: those kinds of things, those kinds of songs. Maybe they're
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: trying to tell you something, ladies, you know, take some
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: wisdom from some older women who probably enjoyed their lives
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: a hell of a lot more than you did. All Right,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: or you are, okay, so let's keet going.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Let's keep going the chance she's kind of hot now,
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: like some people just have issues they need to resolve
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: before they even think about wanting a poto. You know
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: what would make these people really attractive if they can
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: just say, you know what, yeah, I'm an ugly guy.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: And then use that to.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: L that's that's her, what she used to look like.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: So I'm guessing she got some work done and she
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: uses makeup to because like the thing, okay, let's be real, Okay,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Oriental girls they love makeup. They use a lot of it.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: It's a big thing. Like the industry of cosmetics in
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: like Asian countries is massive. Even the men use it.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: And she mentions this too that men, you know, if
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: you feel like you need makeup, you should wear it.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think that she's ugly though. I
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: don't think that she's ugly even before. But that's just me.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I think she's normal. But this is the thing too
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: that I think this points out. And I'm gonna play
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: more of the clip in a second. So I don't
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: think she was ugly. She does or did like she
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: thought she was, But what she is essentially demonstrating, in
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: my opinion, is that the way she looked before wasn't
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: getting her the men that she felt like she deserved,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: so she made these changes to attract higher status men
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: that would normally not have been within her reach, is
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: what I'm guessing. So do you see how this shows
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: that she is telling men to just like accept what
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: they are, and that she'll even say I did that,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: but you didn't really because you felt the need to
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: change what you look like because you weren't scoring like
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: the top top top dudes. So your hypergamy caused you
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: to change yourself, which means you you like, by definition,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you were not satisfied with the way you looked, but
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: you're going to claim that men should be.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think that this is like pre weight loss photo.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: At most she might have done some work on her nose,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: but I think actually what she's done is just put
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: some makeup to thin her nose, and I don't think
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: she's lost any weight.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Well, there's another video of her when she claims that
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: she was fat that comes up later, a brief shot
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: of her, So this could be a different point on
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, like, so you basically just cleaned
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: yourself up, wore some makeup, and got out of a
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: sleep shirt. Okay, so you did the bare minimum and
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: now you're I'm pretty sure all of those men have
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: done the bare minimum. They look like their hair is styled,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: they look like they're wearing reasonable, not tattered clothing.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: I think that that they've done the bare minimum and
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: they're still like, like I said, that one dude that
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: looks like she he could be her twin, I think
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: he's dealing with things outside of him that he has
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: no control over that she isn't dealing with. Because, yeah,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I think that Asian, Like you said, Asian dudes really
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: get it in the meat market unfortunately.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, but I just had one thing.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I think that the thing is the thing going up
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: when when we do the response, is it going up
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: on the top?
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: What thing?
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: The thing we're responding to her video is?
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when I hit play, it does. But if you
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: make any noise, it immediately.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I gotta shut up. Yeah, shut my app Okay.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: At least just for the clip. Okay, I'm gonna play
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: it now.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Conversation. Make it humorous.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: It's not that serious, you know, go ahead and say yeah,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm jealous.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Those guys are really hot, you know, Damn I can't
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: get a golfriend. I'm only a ship. Laugh about it is.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, this is something that I have a problem with.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: And I know this is gonna seem like a segue
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: with like, for example, fat shaming. Yeah, fair enough. We
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: should probably not encourage really large women to consider that
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: their lifestyle is healthy at all, or men. But on
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: the other hand, if you're not willing to be somebody
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: to actually support someone else through the fat loss journey,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: shut your mouth, like you know, just just move on.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Let them deal with it. Because it's more shaming doesn't
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: really help a lot of these people who genuinely recognize
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: that they have a problem. They genuinely recognize they have
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: a problem. And this is the thing that I would
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: say about this too. These guys who you are shaming
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: for talking about their problem, how do you think they
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: get to a place where they can laugh about it?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: How do you think they by talking about it, by
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: talking through it, by having people who say, you know,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I hear you, I care about your experience. I'm not
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: gonna immediately tell you to internalize it. And I don't know,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: radiate masculine aura and bounce that fucking asteroid off your chest.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, hey, yeah, that sucks, but you know,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: there's mortal life. Let's let's let's look for else, what else.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Let's let's let's just play a game together. Let's do
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: something fun. Let's get our minds off of how do
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: you get to the point of dealing with something that
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: that's actually pretty awful, which is you're not attractive to
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: the opposite sex and your society tells you that their
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: opinion of you is the entirety of your worth. Where
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: how do you get past that? Are you prepared to
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: help them past it? Then don't shame them for it?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Like yep, it's freaking cruel. All right, let's keep going.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: All right, let me play some more securities, accept them,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: all right. I'm allowed to say these things because I
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: used to be fat and ugly.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, that's her, like I used to be fat
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: and ugly.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Cute?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so you well a little chubby, but again
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: go ahead.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Well, definitely in the in the sweater, she looks so
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: much better. Like she looks like if she had reasonable standards,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: she would have been wiped up and had three kids
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: by now. Mhm, Like she looks fine. Why did she
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: have to go on to the dark path?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Did she have to go to the dark side? Yeah,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: it's like like a slight digression. You know what you
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: could have done is improved your fucking attitude and got
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: yourself a husband, but she didn't do that. Instead, you're here.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Unless she does have a husband, the background would suggest
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: she probably lives with her parents.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: No idea, Yeah, no idea, But okay, play the I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: want to say something about this after this clip is over.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Believe it me.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: I look good Now I have to say I look
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: pretty good.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Right, But even then I knew that the formula to
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: having friends and people actually wanting to hang out with
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: me was to be likable. You know, you can make
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: people feel good about themselves. You don't have to make
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: it awkward all the time.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. And again like, what do
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: you mean make it awkward? I don't think anyone's trying
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: to make anything awkward. I think people, especially after like
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: three years of COVID hell world, are you know, they're
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: having a hard time cannnecting with other people. Maybe some
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: of them, man.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: That's what you know. I know that this was maybe
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: not for you, but boy, was that meet up good
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: for my soul.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: I see other people, even if they are quiet, just
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: being able to sit with them and be like chill
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: and just look at stuff, and you know, just know
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: that you're with people who aren't going to judge you
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: horribly for who you are. You know what I mean.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: It's very nice and you don't have to be the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: life of a party to be to be likable. I mean,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: the thing is that is she likable?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: She claims to be, or at least she knows that's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: what should happen. But the other thing is, can I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: just say, like she's why is it? She is trying
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: to compare her experience to these men's experience as though
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: it's a one to one, like, oh, I've been there,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: it's exactly the same. It literally Isn't you know why?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Because the attention you get as a woman is from
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: men who are expected to take initiative men's experience with
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: women as the opposite, they won't get attention from women
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: because women are not expected to approach or to initiate,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: even for in a friendly sense, right, So she's gonna say,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: I'm just like you guys. But it's like, no, no,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: the experiences between men and women in terms of like
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: their friend groups and their romantic partners or whatever is
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: not the same, like the way at least that it initiates,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: So like, you know, this is kind of ridiculous. And
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: then on top of that, you have to consider again
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: she is clearly being hypergamous in her layout for these arguments,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: like these are the things she expects of men that
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: she's not actually gonna date. She's not even gonna date them.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: She just wants them to stop whining. That's what I
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: get from it. Stop whining. It's like it's Alex syche
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: external locus of control stuff. Why are you being a victim?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: That's my job, right. Hence, like even in this video,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: she kind of victimized herself a little bit excessively because like,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: I don't I didn't think she was unattractive, but she
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: thought she was unattractive because she wasn't attracting the kind
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: of man that she wanted to, which is the top
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: one percent of guys. And she now, well, she probably
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: still feels like she has work to do but that's
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: because again she's aiming for the moon instead of like,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: you know, like I think that a woman who is
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: in a fulfilling relationship or marriage with children is actually
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: they tend to be the most naturally attractive, Like they
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: don't have to try. They're just like yeah, no, I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: mean no, I'm saying, like I got a sound for
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: the milf chasing thing.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: Hold on a second, but yeah it is.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: People who watch that show know that is true. But anyway, No,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: what I mean is like, you know, like I'm saying,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: not obviously I love Lindsay, but like when I go
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: to church, there are women that I know there that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: have kids, and they're like some of the most graceful
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: and nice people. Like they just have beautiful souls, is
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I get along with them easily. And
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: I think that like the childless ones that are like
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: a little older, they're the ones that come across as
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: a bit bitter and like hard to like you know, gauge,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: and then they don't have a sense of humor. So
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just different, like they're they're you
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: know what it is, They're humble, That's what it is.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: They're humble, and the humility is attractive.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say something. And again I'm not talking about
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: the ones where she's sort of squishing her like that,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: the one where she was in her sweater. I mean,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: if she have a partner, I think she could have
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: just dealt with whatever standards were kids standing.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: In It looked like May from Overwatch. Let me go
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: back a little bit. That's how you know, like there's
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: so much Yeah, exactly.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: I knew that the formula to having friends and people
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: actually wanted to hang out with me.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: I'm allowed to say these.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: But you didn't change. You changed your physical appearance. So
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: the formula is to be likable, So I lost weight
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: and war makeup.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the exactly she's saying, the formula is
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: to have a good personality, so I changed my appearance.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that doesn't even make sense. But the
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: other thing is I wanted to say, is she actually
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: looks more likable in her sweater. And I mean, I
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: you know, like, you're right, she looks like May from Overwatch.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: And and the other thing is that she's saying, well,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: she's basically referring to appearance when she talks about personality.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: And the other thing is that I talk about standards,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: but maybe I shouldn't say lower your standards, change your
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: damn standards. Learn that what matters in life is human connection.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's why the mother is in your church
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: seem to have a lot more grace is they probably
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: understand that what matters in life is human connection. You know.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: I know this sounds really dumb, but my dog actually
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: really made me understand that simply by just being happy
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: to see me, you know, and just wanting to be
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: around me. And it's like that kind of experience. And
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that mothers get that because they have children who,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: no doubt are pretty thrilled to be around them, and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: they appreciate life. And when you're raising a little creature
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: who's just new to the world, you get that experience
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: of understanding that everything is precious. And so it's not
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: lower your standards. In fact, raise your standards, because materialistic
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: crap is just pre trash. It's your relationships that are
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: your jewels, and that's raising your standards. Honestly, I don't
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: think that she really thought that through when she said,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: you know, being around people is about being likable. Therefore,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: I change my appearance. Maybe being likable is really enjoying
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: people's company.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, even if.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: You're awkward, if you really care about somebody, doesn't that
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: come through?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, Okay, I got a rumble rant from Bruno
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: goats for a dollar.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, we got a super chow.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: I Okay, I got to look at it in a second.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: But he says, for a dollar. This is why pu
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: ways will always have a job. Empathetic men I found
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: in the Manisphere were the only people I could vent
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: to about not doing well with women. No other external
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: group allowed me to vent. Well, thank you for saying that,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: because I think the Manisphere gets a bad rap, and
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: even from people in the men's movement that are just like,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: I don't like that they're silly, my thunder or whatever
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: it is. But yeah, I mean, sure, I agree with you.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's all you know what the face
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: of it appears to be. And I think that the
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: media the Cathedral has done a really good job of
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: misrepresenting the Manisphere so much that it's affected people within
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: the Manisphere where they're like, oh yeah, I heard somehow
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: I have this idea about this thing that I'm a
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: part of that counters that, So I'm against it now.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah, no, thanks for pointing that out. And so
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. It's like, literally, men don't have a
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: lot of places to go. Why would I take a
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: shit on a place that they're going just because some
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: people that are in there have said some things that
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: are some people might find you know what I'm saying,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: it's so like stupid. Just leave people alone, all right?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: What's the super Child?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Let me, I can read it. I can find it.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: For some reason, I didn't see albatrosscause it's five bucks.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Albatross says, I don't think the women who
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: say you give off desperate energy want those men to improve.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: They want a cast system where it's okay to bully
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: a certain cast because society says it's deserved. M yeah,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: let me let me refresh. It'll probably come up if
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: I refresh this page. Social stream Ninja is constantly updating.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: I'm serious. I get like an update every day almost.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: It's super annoying. And I want them to just like
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: set just like figure it out and then settle on something.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: But they can't. They they're just they're the biggest spurgs ever.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: They're just constantly updating. So when yeah, I've refreshed, So
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: try if you send another one, it's throughout, I'll probably
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: get it on the screen.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody send another super chaw to check that, just
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: to test it, just to test test the tip.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: There, test the test the chows. All right, anyway, let's
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: play some more of the video of other people's company.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: I have people mock me for being so fat that
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: I could probably fill up two seats on a plane.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: And when these same people.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Ask me, yeah, obviously she wasn't that fat, like I don't.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe she's surrounded by other girls because
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: the girls can be really little to each other about that,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: so they were probably teasing the crap out of her.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I would.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: Share my food.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: I would say to them, Yeah, no, I don't think so,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: I gotta fill up two seats.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: On a plane. So just own it.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: What if you look like however you are, just it's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: going to be relatable and it's gonna come off as attractive,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: and it's gonna make you seem very likable and charming.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: All right, Step two, guys, you need.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: To live life for yourself. Okay, So if you are
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: miserable because you're pursuing a degree that you don't like,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: or you're working with this dead end job and you
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: hate it, or your parents told you you have to
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: become like a doctor, lawyer, dentist, I don't know. And
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: you're listening to them and you're pursuing this, but you
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: have nothing going on about yourself, Like.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: Your whole life is just about work or pleasing other people.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: That is such a turn off.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: So please, didn't she say that's not wrong? But didn't
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: she say in the beginning of the video. In the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: beginning of the video, didn't she say that the problem
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: with these men is that they are not considering other
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: people's needs or desires. It was the first thing that
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: she said was what are you Why are you thinking
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: about how you conserve others that you have to offer
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: to others? And now she's completely contradicting that and saying
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: you have to, like, I agree with the idea that
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: a man. This is what I say to I've been
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: saying this for a long time that if you like,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: just sort of focus on your own personal goals, whatever
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: they are, make sure that they're pragmatic but also something
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: you desire to pursue. If you just focus on doing
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: that and building franks groups with other men or whatever,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: you're going to be satisfied in your life. And you
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: may also, as a side effect, attract someone. But it
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be the purpose of what you are doing.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what she's trying to say. But
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: and I don't disagree with that, but I do think
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: it's weird that she contradicted herself because she's trying to
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: have her cake and eat it too.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: I guess, Okay, I'm going to go back to that
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Twitter conversation I had with that woman who said that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: men aren't vulnerable, and she defined vulnerability as being able
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: to recognize and feel difficult emotions and then process them
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: and overcome them. I'm like, well, that's stoicism by any measure.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: So how do you think that these guys are going
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: to be able to process these feelings of rejection and
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: be able to become somebody who's comfortable with themselves if
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: they can't even talk about it, right, Like, I'm pretty
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: sure that you had people you could talk to about
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: your feelings of being the fat girl if you were right,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm pretty sure that those people who. I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: hope you had somebody actually made you feel better about
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: the situation and able to overcome these difficult feelings, or
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: at the very least you didn't consider you didn't shame
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: yourself for your own difficult feelings, and I think if
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: you did, you probably would still be stuck in them. Right. So,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: if you don't give men a space to talk about
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: these difficult feelings, how are they going to get to
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: a spot where they can overcome them. I mean, yeah,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: they can probably do it alone on them by themselves,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: but should they have to really? And if they are
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: the kind of guys who are talking about this publicly,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: why would you shame them for that? Because there's a
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: difference between a guy being like, you know, I'm gonna
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: deal with this on my own and another guy opening
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: up and then being shamed. There's a different level of
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: trauma there, you know. And that's what you're doing, like, yeah,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: they're having trouble with this, it's okay. Let them have
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: their emotion. And and the thing is the more that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: women like this push back against any expression of men's emotion,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: like the where do you think all this shit is
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: coming from? I know Brian started this with you know,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: bottle it up and blow up right like, but you
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: don't see the causal relationship here. And by blowing up,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: most likely it's men going to be hurt, harming themselves,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: not anybody else, overwhelmingly, but you're not seeing the causal
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: relationship here. Like anyway, you have a place to talk
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: about your pain, your pain in regards to external factors,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: external expectations that are placed on you because of your
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: looks as a woman. You have places to go. These
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: men don't, and you're shaming them for going to the
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: few places they do have and asking for help and
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: asking for somebody to say, hey, you know it sucks,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: but that's not all of what you are.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm done, Okay, all right, So I got a
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: couple of super chows. So's an anonymous person gave us
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: one hundred dollars. Thank you so much for that. I'll
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: just gotta I gotta give you a sound effect for that.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. And uh he says, one hundred dollars,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: one hundred dollars superchow geez. Yeah, thanks, Yeah, that was great.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Cash.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: And he says, mana spirit the red pill and pu
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: ways realized female mating strategies. That's why they have to
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: be on personed. It's true exactly, and that's why I won't.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: I won't condemn them unless you know they do something
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: worthy of condemnation because I know that they're helping people somewhere, right,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: it's you know what it is. Actually it's the same
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: thing as the Justin Trottier thing. So I can use
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: that as my example on principle, Okay, I support the
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: work that Justin does, even if it means that he
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: has to occasionally shake hands with feminists because the fact
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: is they run everything. So do you want to do
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: save the lives of men and give them help or
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: hope in any way or are you so dead set
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: against like people who are you know, uh, politically compromised
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: or whatever it is, that you don't want anything for them.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: So like for me, it's like and unfortunately I did
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: support that because I just did a fire sat chat
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: with prim Reaper and she was talking about how she
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: is essentially gatekeeping the space to try and keep ideologus
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: out of it so that she can give men maximize
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: the help that they get. And so it's like I
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: have to I'm gonna say on principle, in this Yeah,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: it's a w for us in this same way that
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: I think that the Red Pill, the Man of Spear,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: and the PUAs they have something to offer that some
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: men want, and at the very least they give those
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: men a place where they can es grievances. Even the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: in cell forums, I feel the same way, right, the
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: insull forums should exist because those guys need a place
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: where they can go and without shame, you know, talk
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: about stuff now. I think it should be constructive. But
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go in there and police the space.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: I don't have time. So but I think that it's
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: okay that those places exist. So anyway, thank you for
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: that really great bit of wisdom, chow so. And then
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: Pepito gives us twenty five dollars app. P Pito gives
• 1:20:41
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  Speaker 2: for five dollars, and he says super chow say hi, Hello, Hey, Hi, Hello,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: thank you Paxmax. I have on our chat for a while,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: so it's kind of nice to see pax Max or
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: I wasn't paying attention. Yeah, that's awesome, thanks man, appreciate it. Okay,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: let me see, let's get through the rest of this
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: time code. And oh right, this is about self self
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: love right, Okay, let's play four.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: This is you need to sort that out first, live
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: life for yourself. You need to ask yourself, am I
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: living life for myself right now?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: Or am I doing.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: Things for other people? And you need to have some introspection.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: Here an emotionally mature aware guy. Nothing beats that, Like,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: trust me, I have had GM go for but ugly
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: guys who are in their late forties who have no
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: money because they are emotionally aware.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: Make of that what you will see?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: And how do you men become emotionally aware of their
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: emotions if you're shaming them for talking about them?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Yep, like I have these these are all things yea, yeah,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: these are all things men men should learn to develop.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: So if they haven't, you have to ask yourself why,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: like what was the obstacles in their early life? And
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: can you give them the space to do it? And
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: just like by giving them, you know, like giving them
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: the space, like what's wrong with men? Like how do
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: they get And I'm blaming them. I think that there's
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: like a rational reason for it, probably, but we should
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: explore that, you know. Anyway, Oh okay, so let us
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: let me see. I gotta jump to the next thing,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: because basically it's just like live life for your for yourself.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: And then like fourteen minutes we get to desperation. So
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: and again I don't disagree with some of these things,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: like in general, in the abstract, they're true. But she's
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: sort of adding like, I don't know, I just don't
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: teach this coming from a very informed or empathetic place.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: What's wrong? Oh oh, Alison dropped.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't drop. I'm here. Can you hear me?
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can hear you. But yeah, it's just.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: My camera dropped for some reason, just randomly.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Just decided to still. I still see the video.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, I can still see the video again, Like I could.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: Change, I'll place, I'll play some more of this in
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: the meantime.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: Fine timing and the universe.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: When it comes to finding the love of your life
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: or being in a comic relationship, this is up to
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: the universe. This is divine timings job, so don't worry
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: about it too much. Now I want to add to
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: that when it gets to a.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Point, I just want to say, like this wu shit.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: It annoys me because if I were to like read,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: I wanted to read something about this self this self care,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: self worship stuff. Uh we you guys all have heard
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: the saying pride goes before a fall. Well the full
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: quote is pride goes before destruction, a hearty spirit before
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: a fall. That so like, this is about that. This
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: is from the Bible, and and everybody says it. They
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: may not know that's where it's from, but I mean
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: it's true. But I'm not I'm not. No, I've never
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: said the universe is going to give you what you
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: want like I'm I'd like but because that's sort of
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: the it's sort of this weird kind of magical thinking
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: that these people engage in and then they claim that
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: they're like rational creatures. I don't know.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: So secure in yourself and it makes no difference whether
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: you're in a relationship or not, and it makes no change.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: To the quality of your life.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: That is, when you will get the opportunity, that is,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: only when it will arrive for you, Okay, no sooner,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: no later.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: When you stop wanting you receive. That's how the world works.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: Once you become a sick, sure person, people, women, we
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: can sense that off of you. That is attractive in itself.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: It is inherent. Okay, there's nothing else you need to
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: do so much except to carry on with what feels
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: natural for you.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: All right, Uh so else, you know what you want
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: to I want to say something about this, but don't
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: let you go.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: First, I'm trying to think, like naturally, what did she
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: do about.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Her person love? Right?
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Well, she just loved herself, was that? And then everybody
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: loved her? Does she have any like receipts to go
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: with that? Uh? That statement that everybody started to love
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: her and think that she was so much better?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: No, she was just certain that she had a really
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: good personality and that it overcame her you know, ugly
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: fat traits.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I don't know. That's just dumb. Well I'd
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: like to see receipts on that. And yeah, so she
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: lost weight, loved herself and then that was the personality change.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so. Well. No, she changed her personality
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: first because she would poke fun at herself and have
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: like a positive attitude about her imperfections, and that made
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: her attractive and she believes that would make men attractive too.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Then why did she lose?
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Wait, she wanted to? I don't know. I mean I
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: assume that she wanted to.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, so poking you've done at your unattractiveness makes you emotionally,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: you know what, Let's just finish this off. I mean,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: we're running out of time here.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I just want to. Can I just say something
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: about this that I think is also interesting? So she
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: is basically claiming that, well, she's saying that the universe
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: will provide Okay, so it's magical thinking, but there's something
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: about it if that's a little bit more sinister. Okay,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: just like that I want to put on top of that,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: so you can operate within the idea? Is it that
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: you if you are on target in your own life,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: then good things will come to you as a result.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: So on target meaning that you know, you, I don't know,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: try to get a decent job, do something you love,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: work on yourself, you know, take baths, clean your room,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: wash your penis, you know, save money, build credit, get fit,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: et cetera. And that. But you're what you are doing
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: this for is essentially to orient the universe to give
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: you a woman and that and that's what she is saying, right,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: and that there was something about this that really got
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: under my skin and then I realized it. It makes
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: the woman the ultimate prize. And so it's essentially the
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: essence of gynocentrism, and it orients men in I think
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: an uh a direction that I don't that I don't
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: like because I think that if men are going to
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: orient themselves towards something, it has to be much higher
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: than women. And I think that you can make the
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: same argument. I know this, Okay, I'm sorry, I I'm
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: I think they've.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Got a good point there, because whenmen orientate themselves to
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: something higher, that's when we become more elevated. Like when
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: they orientate themselves to nationalism or spirituality or anything like
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: or building something, then that that becomes a much more
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: positive use of their time than simply lizard braining after women.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: Anyway, continue, well, I'll read this from this is from Exodus. Okay,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: you shall have no other gods before me. You shall
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: not make yourself an image in the form of anything
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: between in heaven above, or on earth beneath, or in
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: the waters below. You shall not bout out to them
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: or worship them, So like, this is I think that's
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: kind of like the reason why this existed. It was
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: like that, what did it? Don't worship the earthly and
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: women are earthly beings, you have to I'm not saying
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: it has to be God. I'm not. I'm not preaching
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: here but there. But if it isn't something higher, then
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: this is This is the paradigm that she is laying out.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: This is the paradigm we live under. Now. This is
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: what uh ginocentrism creates. And I know, I know people
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: who hate that I even use that word, but it
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: is true. Like this woman is saying, if you she
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: is essentially acting like one of the gods of Olympus,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: pointing down to the mortals and saying, if you do
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: everything right, I will allow one of my subjects to
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: be attracted to you. That's not how this should go,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: you see. So I'm just saying, like, you know, I'm
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: trying to look at this from a humanist perspective. So
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not like making like, I don't know, like a
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: the theological argument, but I'm looking at the evidence of
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: that because it's either you know, we're all gonna worship something.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: So like women are primed to want to make us
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: worship them. You know, that's sort of like the I
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: think that's where we're at right now. I think that's
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: the energy. So speaking of energy anyway, so now she's
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: gonna get it energy? No, no, no, no, I'm saying
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: because I was talking about energy like it was weird energy.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: We're talking about.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Weird energy, right right, right, right, right, right right. Have
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: I've got weird energy right now?
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: No? Okay, oh, not anymore than normal? All right? Okay, okay,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: so let's keep going.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: Most definitely do not want to come off as desperate.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: Let me elaborate on this, because desperation is extremely dangerous.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything more dangerous than desperation.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so we're desperation is dangerous, Okay, why, well,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: let's find out. I think it can be. But I
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: think it's dangerous to the person who is being desperate,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: because if you're desperate, you might accept something that you shouldn't,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: which goes back to what I was saying before about
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: aiming for the highest. I think women can use that,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: and I think that it's bad for men to be
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: in a state of desperation to find a woman. But
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: I think this woman is going to make the argument
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: that it is dangerous for women that men are desperate.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: But let's get into that that shit is terrible insecurity
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: when we do not accept our insecurities and when we
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: live in denial of them, because it's natural we all
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: have insecurity, Okay, but when we repress our feelings, dangerous
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: things happen.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: People keep it, people are driven to well what did
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: this start with? Like? Literally, do we have to continuously
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: watch these shows by these women and they just they
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: set something out and then they contradict it over and
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: over and over again.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, do we, Richard? Do we? Do we?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: I think it's our punishment. Yeah, it's our eternal torment
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: is to reply to videos of But she just overly
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Asian women complaining about men.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: She just contradicted herself massively. What did this start with
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: men complain or at least her allegation that men were
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: complaining they're having an emotion about being rejected, and now
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: she's saying not expressing your emotions is bad. It leads
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: to blah blah blah explosions. Right, well, you just you're
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: shaming men for expressing their emotions. And now you're shaming
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: them for not expressing them because they're going to be dangerous.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: I think you just want to shame them, all right.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: I'm driven to manipulate and play games. I do not
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: condone games. Games are terrible, Okay. They are not authentic
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: and genuine, and that is not.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: The way they enter a relationship that has true, genuine, valuable.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: Connection and love. It's just not not through gameplaying. This
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: is what I, as a woman think when a guy
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: is coming up to me and he's giving me desperate energy,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, Oh gross, this person wants my
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: time and my energy for nothing in exchange.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: This person does not like themselves.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: They want and energy nothing. Would not their time and
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: energy be the exchange factor. I mean, this goes back
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: to what I was saying about recognizing that human connection
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: is the most important thing. Like she doesn't seem to
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: be aware that men do have something to give, having
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: nothing else. They do have something to give women, which
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: is their commitment and their time and their energy. And
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: believe me, if you can get a man to commit
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: to you, there won't be any being on earth that
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: can commit that much. Right, So this is a commit Yeah,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: this is like, did you not see that he does
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: have something to give you? You just don't want it,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: I guess, which is fair enough. But then the other
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: thing becomes why is he desperate? He is desperate because
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: he cares about your opinion. Now, it'd be nice to
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: get men to the point where they don't put that
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: much stock into a random woman's opinion, and you know,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: we try to do that here, to try to, you know,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: remind guys that, yeah, maybe the average man or the
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: average woman probably isn't worth that kind of desperate you're
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: desperate desire for her approval, but you know, consider the
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: goods first before you put that much desperation in it.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: But like she wants think about why he might be
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: desperate again, maybe he really wants you. That might lead
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: to actual And the thing is that I think that
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: this is this really also hits on why sociopaths are
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: more attractive to women. I guess they don't have that
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: desperate energy.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah they don't, because they don't. They're they're only investing
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: enough to convince the woman that they're interested not you
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: know that, and that they're and that the woman is
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: the most interesting thing to them. But it's not true,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: like they're not they're not really risking anything.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't even think that they're they're showing that
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: the woman is the most interesting thing to them. They're
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: they're they're showing that she isn't, I think is what's
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, it's like they they don't look like
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: they're desperate for the woman's approval, right, I think that's
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: what she's really talking about. She's talking about men who
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: are desperate for her approval, because you know, it's face
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: that society puts men in a state where they think
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: that women's approval is the be all and end all
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: of their social worth. But psych psychopaths don't give a
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: crap about social approval, and they will not go to
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: this woman with any kind of sense of desperation about
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: her social approval. Again, all they care about is her
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: perception of them. Yeah, like her perception of them is
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: attractive maybe, but that social approval is gone, which means
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: they don't really risk anything. I mean, I really don't
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: think that when a cat is stalking a mouse, it's
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: concerned that the mouse is gonna laugh at it. Same principle.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: So you know, in this case, when a sociopath is
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: stalking a woman. He doesn't care if she's gonna laugh
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: at her at him, So he's not coming with that
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: sense of social desperation, that sense of worry about her approval.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: It's not he doesn't even have it. So what she's
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: picking up on is likely that these guys have a
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: concern about about her opinion of them on a social level,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: on the level of whether or not they're rejected from
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: the social group. Sociopaths don't have that mm hmmm. So
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: they just go in there. They do whatever, you know,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: they exuede whatever personality that they have that women find attractive.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: Right, okay, all right, they want me to validate them
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: with my presence.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: Nah no, ugh, Now, now now it comes out. I
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: did the work. Now I get to be the pickiest
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: and men have to be the pigmies. I forgot to
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: read a super chow I got from great indoors. So
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: let me read that really quick. He gives us ten
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: dollars and says, men, live life for yourself, go your
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: own way. No wait, no, not like that. You still
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: got to prioritize us women and center your life around
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: our needs. Just be more casual about it. I guess
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: and with less ick, Yes, lose the ick? How stop
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: talking to me? Yeah, it's like, don't don't even, don't even.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: It's like a spiral of of confusion. You know. The
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: guy who wrote what's the name, junji Eto, he's a
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: manga manaco who created the the story Uzumaki. He should
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: write a horror story about like women like this that
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: are indecisive and how the more they contradict, the more
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: inside out men's heads turn, like they just invert, you know,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: and it did. That'd be like a body horror, the
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: likes of which no one's ever seen, and it would
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: be based in reality. Great for October too, So juji Eto,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: if you're watching this, get on that. Okay. So she
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: basically has let the cat of the bag and told
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: us that her presence is extremely valuable in her time,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: which shouldn't be a surprise.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Well, we knew it was all we knew it was coming. Yeah,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: ends with I am the table.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I am the table. That's exactly right, Yep, exactly right. Okay.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: Not want to be with a woman who is desperate
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: for attention and seeking external validation and a woman.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: Who doesn't accept herself.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: Why it's these women who will seek attention from other guys.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: She's describing her old self in this segment, so she's
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: this is the bit where I said she does pay
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: lift service to women. She's talking about herself. But it's true, like,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: you know, women who are desperate for attention or attention
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: seeking types are generally not healthy in relationships. Unfortunately, that
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: seems to be a lot of women, like maybe the
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: majority of women. I don't know, because social media has
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: shown I think that it is, like it's probably had
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: more of an impact on women's perception of reality and
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: their behavior than it has men. But this is a
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: conversation nobody wants to have.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: So who are more likely to cheat, who are more
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: likely to have narcissistic tendencies.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: He's more likely to have narcissistic tendency, women, Women who
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: are desperate for attention. She's talking about women.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, but what does that have to do with men.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: She's basically saying she was talking about men who are
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: she was about desperation, and she basically made a thing
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: about men, right, and how that's dangerous, And then she
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: said women do this too, And she was talking about
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: herself as an example, and she's just sort of describing
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: what so when when men become desperate to become when
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: she did, Yeah, that's right, when she was more narcissistic supposedly.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just being ridiculous, but I thought she was
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: cute when her little in her sweater and I found
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: her like she seemed to be a nicer looking person
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: than now.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: She's probably attracted. She was definitely attractive in us to
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: attract a guy that was above average attractiveness Allison. But
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: she doesn't want the guy who's above average. She wants
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: the guy top. That's the only way to explain this,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: like where she's like And if you are feeling really
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: insecure despite the fact that there's nothing to feel insecure about,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: and then you make a bunch of changes, then I
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: don't know, it's clearly like there's still work to be done.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: Mm, clearly, Yeah.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: And I think that that her changing herself in these
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: physical ways probably also changed her in terms of her ego,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: and that's why she's I don't know, less attractive actually,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: because again there's no the humility isn't there. The humility
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: isn't there anyway.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: I also think she has a bit of a stigmatism,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: not not a stigmatism. Sorry the lazy I think.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I see that a little bit.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: It's but here's the thing.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: Like everybody's got something though, Wait, well here's the thing.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: What go ahead?
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Well, so she was a narcissist back that. I don't know.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: This seems really like it's starting feel like this is
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: what did I call what what manifest will blather? This
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: is blather. It's starting to this is starting to descend
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: into black.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: I don't yeah, I mean, I don't think it's gonna
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: get I think this is the basically like the the
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: it winds down after here, So I thought I would
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: just play this bit when she talks about herself. But
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: there isn't much else after this, So if you want,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: we could, like you know, end this clip and then
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: leave it at that, which is fine, Okay.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Does it does the blather improve or does it just
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: end up being more blather?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. All you guys, the women all sound
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: the same to me.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: It all sounds like.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Even me, even.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're not here, well yeah, even lindsay I well,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: even though, but she also feels that way like I
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: don't know, I'm I'm getting to the point now, where
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: I tune. I tune it out without even knowing. I'm
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: just like, oh man, would you?
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's hard not to because it's
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: just become blather like my own.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: So its.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: Surface levels because I last way to wear makeup now
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: and I focus much more on my looks.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also surface level.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Though it's like previous self. Oh, she only is three
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: three hundred and seven, three hundred and seventeen subscribers. I'm
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: sure that's gonna blown up into a couple of million
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: in a few days.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: Well, this is a surprisingly way too sympathetic to men,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: despite how kind of scoldy it is. So no, she's
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: probably going to remain small. She has to make like
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: a Manifestol video about how you know, women of the ancient.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Past to peel the skin off of men and nestle in. Yeah.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she wants to wear it like he wants to
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: get his one man's skin into a onesie and then
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: music and then later, you know, cut it up into
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: strips and fry it like bacon.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Something horrific and and just I wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: manifest Dell gets off the camera and then she her
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: face cracks open and it's like like the a monster
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: that that that mean the artist would would would your.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: Head falls back and it's like a mouth right here
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: with like lows of teeth, eyeballs protrude from her shoulders.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: It could be anything. With these filters these days, she
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: could be amazing.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: I know that could be a dude for sure. I've
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: seen I've seen videos of like dudes like wearing with
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: filters fake. I'm thinking that there are a number of
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: filters on this and make up and the whole bit.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be really interesting a twist if this woman
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: was actually one of the in cells playing a woman
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: as a lady boy. Wouldn't that be a twist that
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: she she herself? She is herself responding.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: To you never know. It's the Internet. You can't trust
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: anything there.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: Is in celeception. Yeah, yeah, okay, I don't right, I'm
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: starting to get to be blather. Just does we can know?
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I don't know. Let's lit'sten
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: to the rest of us and then leave it.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: At that comfort and validation without solving their own problems.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: They're probably going to be toxic. These are going to
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: be women with trauma. These are going to be women
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: who maybe are raging feminists. I don't know, but these
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: women are not healthy. They're not healthy.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: You don't want them.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: If you're a self respecting guy, you're still away, you're
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: not missing.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, well, no, it's kind of a
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: cell phone because she says they might be raging feminists,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: and it says literally at the top, kind of talking
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: about myself. So when she thought she was fat and
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: ugly and wore glasses, she was a raging feminist. So
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: even though she was smiling the picture, she was probably insufferable.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, maybe more insufferable than she is now. I
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: I think she'd look fine honestly with the sweater, surete,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: Just change your like you said, like you were saying
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: from the very beginning, if you didn't like yourself, just
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: just change your attitude. If you didn't have a man,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: just change your attitude towards men, maybe just appreciate them
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: a bit more. Like I mean, I don't think that
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: I do anything particularly special. I just enjoy the time
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: I spend with men, and you know, and and the
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: and the women in my life too. But you know,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: it's just is it that difficult if you want a dog,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: just like dogs, you know. Yeah, I don't know why
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: this is such a just a mystery to people. Okay,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: all right, all right, yeah.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: This is good. I'd say stop just like that.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I on Twitter a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: I said, I, you know, I I what bothers me
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: is the truth. It's not about you know, liking men.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: I mean I do, like I do, but you know,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: there's other things that annoy me about men. But that
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: shouldn't matter. What should matter is that the truth of
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: this all like men don't oppress women. You can't process
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: your emotions while someone is shaming you out of having them,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Like you have a right to feel bad about being
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: rejected and all of this other stuff. It just seems
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: logical to me, you know, and it's really helped like
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: an entire group of people. I mean honestly, then you're
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: basically just liking your projection of them. But the thing
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: is that don't make being a man. If you're a
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: woman and you want to be in a relationship with
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: a man, don't see him being a man as some
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: kind of deficit. You know, that's a horrible place to
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: be in a relationship and don't see him as the
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: person who's ultimately gonna save you from yourself, like Manifestell's
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: weird behavior, which ultimately, to me, sounds like she wants
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: to skin the guy and wear him like. It's it's disturbing,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: like she values herself only in so far as men
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: serve her. So she can't she can't. She feels horrible.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: You know, men don't shit for her, Men don't breathe
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: for her, men don't sleep for her. How men can't
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  Speaker 1: do these things for me? You know, I must be
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  Speaker 1: a horrible It's like it's so setting yourself against yourself,
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  Speaker 1: all of this spoilt girly crap, all of this dating
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  Speaker 1: strategy crap. Anyway, so I don't know I'm blathering. You're right, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: we all blather.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well whatever, it's fine. So we're gonna go into
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  Speaker 2: the Patron Show and we're gonna look at speaking of
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  Speaker 2: manifestl we're gonna look at this video. Wow, this one
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  Speaker 2: is really upsetting, but really right it is that you
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  Speaker 2: haven't watched it? Right, So it's called the Dark Reason
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  Speaker 2: behind banning girls from schools? Did you guys know we're
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  Speaker 2: banning women from getting an education. Yeah, it's true. Apparently
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  Speaker 2: according to manifesto, we're gonna get into it, and she's
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  Speaker 2: probably going to make the case for why we might
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  Speaker 2: consider banning women from getting educated. But anyway, no, I'm kidding, Alison.
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  Speaker 2: You want to take us out or say your things?
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  Speaker 1: All right? Actually I do have some thank yous. I
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  Speaker 1: want to thank oh hyper Chicken because he put that
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  Speaker 1: fifty dollars thank you, hyper Chicken. It was before the
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  Speaker 1: shows startedly.
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  Speaker 2: Just maybe one hundred or so years ago, one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and such a few years ago that.
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  Speaker 3: Women were still viewed as chattels.
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  Speaker 2: He's gotta let her get it out the way that
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  Speaker 2: he says it. He know he's still around. Matt Bender
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  Speaker 2: is still around. He still sounds exactly the same, he
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  Speaker 2: still looks the same, physiognomy, check all that. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: go ahead, I'm sorry, thanks and any other thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'll make this one short.
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  Speaker 1: Literally, chattle shattle were still viewed his chattel.
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  Speaker 5: Chatt.
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  Speaker 2: I play it because it's absurd.
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  Speaker 6: Men's right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
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  Speaker 6: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
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  Speaker 6: deal with, especially if you have, like, especially if you
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  Speaker 6: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
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  Speaker 6: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked u