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Oscar Mike Radio – 510 – Mike Klein for Congress · Military Broadcast Radio | MBR Talk

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Hello and welcome to OM Radio. My name is Travis, Marine Corps
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been following the show for a long time, I I've only had one
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other political candidate running for office on OM Radio.
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And then I was reached out to you about this gentleman here.
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And I'm like, you know, maybe I need to change things up.
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Maybe we need to hear from more of our officials who are
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supposed to work for us. So it's a great pleasure that I
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welcome Mike Klein, independent candidate running for office in
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Florida. Mr. Klein, Sir, welcome to OM
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Radio. Travis, real pleasure to be
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here. Thanks for thanks for having me
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on. Absolutely.
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Florida's a place I, I, I, I like to go.
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I have had a lot of fun in Florida.
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A lot of my Marine Corps veteran brothers and sisters live in
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Florida now. They're trying to get me to come
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down. And there's nothing like going
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out to a Florida orange Grove and getting fresh oranges and
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having like real orange juice. Mike, let me tell you it it
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it's, it's a little bit of heaven on earth before we get
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into all the good stuff, and I'm really interested in learning
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more about you. I'd like to know a little bit
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about your military history. You've had a very storied career
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in your own way. I'd like to understand how it
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started and what you got out of it please.
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Military history. All right.
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Well, I grew up in a military family.
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My dad was a doctor in the Navy, grew up, you know, when I was
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very little in Guam, we came to Gainesville, FL and I think
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1971. And so I, I basically grew up in
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North Florida, which is where I'm running for office.
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And I have multiple, you know, extended family members that
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were in the military. And, and so it wasn't, I mean,
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the only surprise to my father when I went to a service Academy
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was, was that I didn't go to the Naval Academy.
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And she was very disappointed at but, but I ended up going to
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West Point. And you'll love this as a
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Marine, I was lucky enough to be one of the one of the cadets,
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one of the six cadets that spent an entire semester at the Naval
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Academy. So I did, I did spend a lot of
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time with, with young future Marine officers who who gave me
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hell when I was when I was at Navy.
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But I described my semester at Navy as my favorite semester at
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West Point because Annapolis is a real city and I love Highland
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Falls, but it can't, can't hold a candle to Annapolis.
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So I graduated from West Point, partly I think because I spent
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so much time as a kid running around the swamps and and
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forests of North Florida chasing snakes and all the rest of that
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stuff. The only thing that seemed to
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interest me was go on infantry. So I did that and did a whole
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bunch of Army schools, Ranger and airborne air assault Norris
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that northern warfare and jungle.
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I felt like I was a vision in Hawaii.
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Great makes anybody who's been stationed in Hawaii, including
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my my Marine brothers and sisters knows that it's a it's a
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fantastic place to be to be to be serving.
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I I was one of three platoons. Oddly enough, they got deployed
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to Operation Desert Storm. The department, the Army sent
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out a message and saying send platoons.
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So I actually deployed a desert desert storm as the commander of
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my unit, which was really weird. But Long story short, ended up
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supporting as as really the security detail for Army Central
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command jump talk as they followed the Marines into Kuwait
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and we we supported, you know, security marking mines and all
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rest of that in and whether they don't.
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I mean, we what came the next Iraq war.
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What came later was much more intense than what we you know,
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our our engagement was was relatively quick.
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But I do you know, the two my 2 takeaways from Operation Desert
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Storm really were, you know, riding in a chin up through
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burning oil wells and thinking this can't be good for my
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health. And then, you know, more than
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one of my soldiers ended up coming down with what I guess
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later was, was described as Gulf War illness and, you know, this
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undefined monopoly of form, you know, mixture of symptoms in any
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event. And I got very interested in, in
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what the government was doing because my dad, and you know, he
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was a, he was an anesthesiologist here in
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Gainesville and his, his hospital was right across the
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street from the VA. So I spent my whole childhood
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hearing about sort of the challenges of the VA post
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Vietnam. And I, I knew all about as a kid
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at Agent Orange and, and, and my father was very frustrated
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about, about the challenges. Anyway, So here we were at Gulf
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War illness and I thought, well, this is, you know, Agent Orange
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version 2. And Monster ended up getting
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involved in, in trying to find ways to get funding out of
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Congress to pay for research into like, what, why is this
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happening? And, and then how do we actually
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treat folks that are suffering from this?
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I ended up transitioning into the inactive reserve and then
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later on joined the joined the active reserves and my, my
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career, you know, officially ended my ETS was in 2003.
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I I Long story short, I knew we were lying about weapons of mass
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destruction. I was, I was going to ask you
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about that. And, and, and my question is,
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you know, one of my, one of the memories in my mind was watching
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General Powell stand in front of you and and say, hey, these are
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it. These are definitely WMDS.
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We have to go in. What was the feeling like when
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everybody started realizing that there were no WMDS and they were
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Migs buried in the sand? I mean, yeah, I I was aware that
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the intelligence that existed was soft at best, if not out
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flat out lies. And there was lots of mood music
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substantiating that. There was some UN weapons
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inspectors and said, you know, hey, there's nothing there.
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We we know when it we know when it left and we there's nothing
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there. And, and I remember when Powell
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went in front of the, the, the UN and I, I thought, God, by
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God, they better find some WMDS because they're taking us to war
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based on that, that supposed intelligence that whoever's
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convinced the general to go in front of the world and say this
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is real, you know, for his own reputation and for our, you
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know, for ours. I hope they find him.
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And they never did 'cause they weren't there.
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And, and once again, I was very frustrated with all that.
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So I left and ultimately ended up as a result of all of all of
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that, I ended up joining Congressman Dennis Kucinich's
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presidential campaign in 2007. We, I had some, we had some
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mutual friends and, and Dennis, as he says, I read the 500 page
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National Intelligence Estimate and the standard for Congress to
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vote to go to war was not in the 500 pages.
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And so he, you know, Dennis, most people don't know this, but
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he grew up with the Marine Corps veteran father from World War 2
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that had significant battle fatigue and his dad struggled.
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The family struggled in spite of.
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So Dennis had an insight on what happens the the cost of war to
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the families that deploy and come home damaged.
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And in spite of all that, Dennis's brother was a Marine,
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his sister was a Marine. Dennis is a Marine Corps brat
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and and he doesn't talk about it.
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I told him, Dennis, you should talk about this.
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So Dennis read the National Intelligence has been 500 pages
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in. He said standard's not there.
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I'm voting against the Iraq war. And you know, so I said, OK,
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well, I'm completely against what we're doing it, you know,
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and have done and, and, and I will support the campaign.
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So I travelled all over the country on on that.
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It was a Democratic primary at the time and, and I had Ron Paul
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supporters come up to me all over the country said, oh, we
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love Dennis Kucinich. So I'm like, really, you're a,
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you're a Republican libertarian. Exactly why 'cause Dennis was
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perceived as left to center because of his anti war
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positions or, you know, his strong critique against, against
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the Iraq war. And you know, I, I learned a lot
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at the time. I learned that there is a
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sizeable chunk of, of what is the so-called right and a
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sizeable chunk of the so-called left that agree on civil
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liberties. They agree on, on the standard
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of what it takes to send our men and women to war.
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They're not, they're not, they're really not anti war per
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SE. You talk to all of them.
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They're not, they're not pacifists.
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They just know the difference between offense and defense,
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right? And, and, and, and we don't as a
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group. We don't think it's appropriate
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to do anything but defend our nation as opposed to, you know,
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commit, you know, war crimes and illegal actions that are totally
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incompetent before we even get to the Iran war.
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But anyway. That's so so so before this
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2026. Now I just want for the for the
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viewers and watchers and listeners out there.
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So you starred in your political career, if you will, back in
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2007. You, you.
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You've been working a long time to for this moment in your own
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career, correct? Yeah, I mean, I've supported
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candidates. I've supported candidates on
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both side of the aisle before. I don't I've since that time
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when I realized that really politics in my view was not
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about left and right. It was more about, you know,
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what's happening to working people and what's happening to
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the middle class in this country being completely hollowed out by
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both parties and they're both parties being corrupt.
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I, I came to that realization 20 years ago, but I didn't become a
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candidate until this time. I, I guess I had enough.
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But you know, my, my journey has been, has been, you know, I, I,
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I, I had no interest in being a, a political candidate.
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That wasn't the point of, of what I was doing.
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I, we haven't gotten to this, but I spent the last 12 years,
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you know, building a business specifically to address the lack
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of quality and safe care for our community that, you know, where
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it's actually treated. And we can talk about WCH, but
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but yeah, my, my journey was, was, was one of sort of learning
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what's actually going on in in this country, what's going on
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globally, what's going on in Washington, DC, how things are
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decided. And this pervasive corruption
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that's just sort of eroding the foundations of our our
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democracy, our constitutional Republic, which whichever way
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you look at what we have should be protected.
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I swore an oath when I was 17 and went to West Point and I
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still take it very seriously. But yeah, so here I am as a
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candidate now and, and have have a lot of different reasons why I
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decided finally to jump in. As much as anything else, I'm
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I'm sort of disgusted with with with what we have become.
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And that's a very bipartisan statement.
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I could not be a Democrat or Republican.
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I, I don't trust, you know, my, my dear friends that are
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Republicans, you know, I say, look, I'm not, I don't support
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where the Republican Party has gone.
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My, a lot of my friends are now independents.
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They say I didn't leave the Republican Party, they left me.
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And I've got Democratic friends exactly the same.
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They, they are not in support of the, the war cheerleading that
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goes on in the, the Democratic Party.
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And what I tell people in my district right now, they're
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like, look, if you, if you're totally happy with, with whoever
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the Democratic candidate is, they've got a primary here soon.
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You know, whoever you vote for, you're basically voting for, for
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Chuck Schumer. So if you think the Schumer
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regime in DC and everything that that represents and the money
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that that swirls through the Democratic Party that that buys
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and pays for the policies that they're willing to support, then
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by all means vote for the Democrat.
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And if you support whatever the hell is going on right now in
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this country as a result of the Republicans controlling the
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House, the Senate and administration, so they own all
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of it. Everything's going on right now.
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If, if you, if that's what you think, if that's what you
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support, by all means vote for the, the incumbent who's a
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Republican in this district. If you're, if you've had it, I
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mean, if, if you want to, if you want to see something else
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that's possible, then then you, you should take a very close
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look at me. And I, I will say this, Travis,
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this is, this is a thing that your viewers, your, your
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listeners will probably not be aware of.
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And that is that this is successive polls over the last
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year, 4547 and 49 different polls.
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I, I stick with a 45 because it's Gallup and people, people
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trust Gallup, 4045% of the country now defines themselves
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as politically independent. And only 27% defines themselves
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as a Democrat, 27% defines themselves as a Republican.
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And, and you know, we're in the majority, those of us that and,
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and people say, Oh yeah, but voter registration, a lot of
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people register in the state where they live as a Republican
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or Democrat so they can vote in the primary.
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But when it comes, but when it comes to voting, they're going
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to, they're not going to just pull an R lever or AD lever
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because they've been a lifelong Democrat or a lifelong
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Republican. Those folks are in the 27%.
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But the rest of the country and we're a majority and it's
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growing. Use our brains and take a look
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at what people are actually saying.
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And this movement, this independent movement, it's not a
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party. It's what we describe.
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Those of us doing this as a coalition of common sense.
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It's not left and right. I'll give you, I'll give you a
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simple one. Both parties derive benefit out
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of keeping the immigration fight alive.
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Both of them do. And how is that?
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Isn't that crazy? Well, the last time there have
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been efforts to have comprehensive immigration reform
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and there's a, and it's this really complex thing, but
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there's an awful lot of folks that would like to have sanity
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in terms of our immigration policy for a variety of
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different reasons. But if a Democrat puts up a
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piece of legislation, the Republicans won't support it.
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And if the Republicans put up legislation, the Democrats won't
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support it. And you'll get punished by your
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party leadership if you work on bipartisan legislation, often
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times on things that the parties derive political value and
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donations as a result of sticking with that message.
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You know, the the support for, for example, the immigration
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policies that have been implemented by under this
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administration. You know, it continues to get
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less and less and less popular. All very interesting, Mike.
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And, you know, I'm getting education right now.
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I've been a lifelong, you know, Republican myself.
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I live in a very Democratic state.
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I understand a lot of what you're talking about and, and
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feel the angst of where our country's headed.
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But more important than that, I want to understand what was the
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moment you said, you know what? I've, I've, I've worked in the
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space. I've participated in the space.
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And now I'm going to commit to putting myself out there as a
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candidate to make the kind of change I want to see for this
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country. What was that moment like?
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Because you could. You could argue that what you
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were doing was working out quite well.
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I mean, to be honest with you, just one thing after the other
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in terms of corruption in DC, the the president's completely
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violating the emoluments clause. It's, it's, it feels more like a
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mafia run operation up there at this point.
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And, and everybody's on on the take and you know it.
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I'm, I'm painfully aware of of sort of the collateral damage on
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the ground, not just here, but all over the place in terms of,
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in terms of people not having access to healthcare and the,
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the, the proposed budget of a trillion dollars and then a, you
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know, 1 1/2 trillion dollars. And, and somehow we, we don't
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have enough money to, to cover seniors.
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I mean, I, I honestly, Travis, there's so many different things
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that I mean, the final, final piece for me was the Orion War.
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You know, I remember sitting in, in class in West Point.
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It was pretty sure it was political science class Captain
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William Pruitt and, and brilliant young young officer.
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And this was 1980, let's say 87. So we were only eight years
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after the Iran hostage crisis. And the discussion in class was
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around, well, what do we do about Iran, you know, the
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geopolitics of the Middle East, all the rest of that.
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And somebody asked the question, well, why don't we just, you
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know, go take out Iran, you know, the kind of thing a 19
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year old would say. And the professor said, oh,
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it's, you know, because they'll block the Straits of Hormuz.
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That's 1987. It's not.
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There's no surprise that that was going to happen.
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And, you know, the pressure from Israel to, to convince us to go
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do that. Every other president beforehand
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has resisted the, you know, the, you know, the, the request, the
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demand, the desire to, to, to invade Iran.
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And, you know, and Trump's, Trump went along with it and
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completely against what he ran on in his in his campaign.
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I mean, I mean, Republicans all over the district who are deeply
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disappointed that the president didn't follow through on what he
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said. There's an enormous veteran and
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military population in my district, 75,000.
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Oh wow. It's it's huge.
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I was. Going to say that's that's not
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insignificant. No, it's huge.
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And, and, and I go, I go into this with hand on heart, with
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respect for everybody's views. And I'm, I'm, I listen, I got
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two of these in one of these. So I ask people a lot of
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questions. And there's a lot of people
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really frustrated with the fact that we're invading Iran #1
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because we, we, you know, the president said in a point blank
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that that he wasn't going to do that.
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I wasn't going to start another federal war.
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But the, the rest of the story is to do with affordability.
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I mean, people are really struggling to afford to live
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right now, especially seniors on fixed incomes.
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I mean, it's already hard enough to pay for your pharmaceuticals,
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but they can't absorb an increase in electricity and
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food. I mean, if you look, if you're
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on a Social Security on a fixed income, having rents skyrocket
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is one thing. But when you, when you have to
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make decisions between food and your insulin or your
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pharmaceuticals. So I, I'm hearing this over and
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over and over again. And it's directly related to the
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corruption and the war. And the war is in my opinion.
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Caused from corruption. So the final straw for me was US
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invading Iran. And I am very concerned about
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how this ends. Like many Americans, I, I do not
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want to see, you know, us putting troops on the ground and
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Karg Island or, or any of the other potential solutions, you
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know, quote UN quote, to get us out of this.
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I, I don't know how we get out of this.
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This is the Pandora's box that everybody said, don't, don't,
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don't do this. And so I'm concerned about how
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we get to the midterms. It's a bipartisan statement.
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The economy's, the economy's in, in trouble.
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And so that, I mean, you're asking what's the inciting
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incident? That's that made me sort of say
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to hell with this. I'm jumping in.
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Number one, I, I have no confidence in, in the, in the
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current congresswoman and, and I and all of the Democratic
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candidates to represent the interests of this district as a,
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as a steward or public servant who works for the people, as
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opposed to special interests and financial interests that infuse
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both party machines. So, you know, I, I, this is a
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winnable race. I will say this, you'll probably
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find this interesting. This independent movement is,
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that's happening all over the country.
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There's 95 veterans, you might find some more, you know,
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interview potential candidates out there, but there's 95
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veterans that are running for, as independents for Congress
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right now. I'm not the, I'm not, I'm not
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the only one. This is, and the data, you know,
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the, the, the data would suggest that 50% of, of the military and
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veteran community are actually independents.
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So, you know, if the, if the country's 45, then it's not, it
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just means the military and veteran community in the
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aggregate looks a lot like all of America.
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So, so that was the, that was the inciting incident for me is,
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is the Iran war. But it was building upon, you
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know, couple decades of, of, of knowing how things operate in
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Washington, DC and, and, you know, people point to Citizens
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United. And yeah, that was I think the
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final nail in our Democratic or, you know, our republic's coffin.
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But it's much, much more than that.
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It it, it's, it's so pervasive. Yes.
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Congressmen should not be able to trade stocks.
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They should not be able to benefit from getting insider
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information because of the committees they sit on and, and
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getting rich. I mean, I, I don't think people
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should go to Congress with your primary motivation, you know, to
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get wealthy. I would like, you know, for me,
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I think congressman should have the same access to healthcare as
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everybody should have Medicare. You want to see, you want to see
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the, you want to see Medicare get really effective, right?
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Have everybody in Congress that's their that's their
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insurance policy is Medicare. You'll, you'll see them invest
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time and energy into, into, into solving that problem.
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I think congressmen should have the same retirement benefits.
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That's as, as somebody that works at the US Postal Service,
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Like, why should they have a different, you know, it, it's,
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it's, it's allowing Congress to be treated with special favors
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that frustrates a lot of, you know, Americans.
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Well, I I hear that common adage, the rules are for thee,
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but not for me. And it's, it's glaring.
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It's it's, it's you can't even hide it anymore.
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You can't. Hide it.
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I think they did a good job of hiding it.
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You know, 30 years ago, I don't think most Americans were aware,
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but the Internet sort of it cuts both ways.
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And it's, it's why the younger generation, you look at the sort
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of the 30 and unders there, I think it's 7779% independent.
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They've had it completely had it with the party system.
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And it's because they're judicious consumers of all of
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this information. They don't watch any TV and they
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watch Netflix and all the rest of that.
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But when they get their political information online, So
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the electorate is unsettled. It is a bipartisan statement to
24:52
say that that we, we as a nation, we need to do something
24:56
different. The goal of this independent
25:00
block is to prevent the either the Democrats or the
25:04
Republicans, even though we have friends in one side or the
25:07
other, and I have it on both sides.
25:10
The goal here is, you know, friends don't let friends drive
25:14
drunk. Well, friends don't let the
25:15
Democratic Republican Party control our policy making right
25:18
now because they're not, they're not representing us.
25:21
So here's the goal. The goal is to have enough
25:24
independent congressman that that that caucus together is
25:27
coalition of common sense to prevent the Democrats or the
25:30
Republicans from having a majority, which means that if
25:34
they want to pass anything, it's going to have to be by
25:36
definition, bipartisan. And they're going to have to
25:38
come to this coalition of common sense to get anything passed.
25:42
And, you know, people ask me, what are you going to caucus
25:45
with The, you know, are, are you really a Democrat?
25:47
Are you really Republican? Are you going to caucus with?
25:50
No, I'm not caucusing either of them.
25:52
That's the point. You're going to, to get my vote
25:55
in Congress, you're going to have to convince me with fast
25:59
math facts and science evidence like why is this good for the
26:03
American people? Show me the show me the
26:04
financial estimates. How's this not going to be a
26:07
burden on our on our economy financially?
26:10
How's this going to be? I think, I think, Mike, the
26:12
thing that gets me is it was my understanding growing up in
26:17
school and, you know, doing the, the, the social studies classes
26:22
and the six classes is it was my understanding that our elected
26:26
officials were supposed to work for us, their constituents, and
26:31
by by a larger extension, America's best interest.
26:35
And when I see the money going, where it's going, and the fact
26:39
that we are, you know, letting all this waste and fraud occur,
26:45
something is fundamentally wrong.
26:47
But, you know, I'm also not sure what's the best way to go about
26:52
fixing it. Is an independent coming in and
26:55
really going to be able to fix things?
26:57
Or is the rot so entrenched that really, until we wipe the slate
27:03
clean, start all over again, we're not going to move forward?
27:05
I mean, it seems like we're almost to that point.
27:10
Totally understand that point of view.
27:13
And I would suggest that we get, let's just say we get 5 or 10
27:21
independents in Congress, right? That'll transform the public's
27:28
perception about the viability of, of quality independent
27:31
races. Not in every district like, but
27:35
in these districts, there's, there's a variety of districts
27:37
where what I'm doing is feasible, like the electoral
27:39
math is feasible. I have a viable pathway to
27:42
victory. You get 5 to 10 of us in, in
27:44
this current cycle. When 2028 comes around, you're
27:46
going to see an explosion of people running as independents,
27:50
high quality candidates that are that are focused on public
27:52
service, not on gaining the system through through the party
27:55
system. Because we need to change some
27:57
of the rules of how things operate in the Washington, DC
28:00
right. There is some rule making, you
28:03
know, innovation that has to occur.
28:05
But, you know, citizen back to Citizens United, it needs to be
28:09
reversed. It's an abomination.
28:11
It's for somebody, for Elon Musk to put $350 million in the
28:15
Trump's campaign. Does anybody think that's OK?
28:18
I mean, really, I mean, the unlimited amount of money, you
28:22
know, companies should not be afforded the same treatment as
28:26
as human beings. They are not human beings.
28:29
They do not have equal treatment under the Bill of Rights.
28:33
You know, a, a company doesn't have a First Amendment right.
28:36
It's, it's nuts. So corporate donations need to
28:39
be ended. Dark money needs to be ended.
28:42
We need to go back to a system where individual human beings
28:46
can donate to political campaigns based on, based on a
28:49
limited amount. There's some really innovative
28:54
other things that are coming out of, you know, the country around
28:59
rank choice voting, open primaries.
29:01
I mean the primaries is you want to really the corruption in the
29:05
system. It's one of the biggest problems
29:06
is the primary process. It's it's it doesn't take a huge
29:11
amount of money to distort a primary.
29:13
So if just take immigration, if a, if a Republican in a rural
29:19
district where, you know, immigrant families and
29:24
communities have been supporting the, the agricultural industry
29:29
for, for generations and, and, and there's no problems like
29:33
they're, these are hard working folks.
29:36
They don't, they're not happy with, with what ICE is doing
29:39
rounding up their workers. They're the number of farming
29:42
bankruptcy, family owned farm bankruptcies is exploding
29:45
because of some of this stuff. You get a Republican like that
29:47
and they're like, hey, look, this is silly.
29:49
You, you're destroying my local economy.
29:51
These folks, you know, they're nice folks.
29:54
They're not there's no crime, you know, they don't want to
29:57
cause trouble because they like where they're at.
29:58
And, and and yeah, some of them have trouble with their
30:01
documentation for a variety of reasons.
30:02
So let's fix the documentation. If that Republican puts forward
30:06
a piece of legislation to try to fix our our, our immigration
30:11
system, they'll get primary. The Republicans will will put
30:15
somebody up against them that doesn't agree with that.
30:17
And you look without the Thomas Massie, you know, the largest
30:21
amount of money that's flowed into a, into a primary in
30:24
American history because he had the audacity of collaborating
30:30
with a, with a Democrat to demand the release of the
30:32
Epstein files. I don't go ask any Americans.
30:35
Do you? Do you think the fact that we
30:37
that nobody in the Epstein files has gone to prison is is is OK?
30:42
No, it's not. And in fact, that's one of the
30:44
things we were led to believe was going to be different.
30:47
I mean, we're going to release everything.
30:49
We're going to be open and it's not worked out that way.
30:51
And you know, Speaking of primaries, you know, thinking
30:57
about Democrats and how they did Bernie Sanders.
31:00
Now I'm not I'm not a Bernie Sanders fan.
31:01
I'm not. But that would no one the out
31:08
the lack of outrage over what happened was just puzzling to
31:13
me. I'm like the powers that be
31:16
rigged that to get the candidate they wanted and disregarded the
31:20
people's will. 100% it was, It was complete.
31:23
It was unethical. It should have been illegal.
31:27
Debbie Wasserman Schultz completely skewed the Democratic
31:31
primary process in in favor of Hillary Clinton.
31:37
Bernie, had they not cheated and that's, let's call it what it
31:39
was, had the Democratic National Committee, the DNC not cheated,
31:43
Bernie would have won that, that primary regardless of what you
31:47
think about Bernie Sanders, right?
31:50
We either have a democracy or we don't.
31:52
And so it's, it's, I would, like I said, I'm mad at both parties.
31:57
I, I don't like either party. I think they're both hopelessly
31:59
corrupt. And that is a, you've, you've
32:01
spotted something that's 100% accurate.
32:03
And here's the thing, there were, there are a lot of
32:05
Democrats that are very, very still very, very angry about
32:08
that. But the mainstream media doesn't
32:10
necessarily pick that up. They don't pick it up.
32:14
So, so you're, you're at this stage in, in your life and in
32:19
your career of, of doing this. What's been your experience on
32:24
the campaign trail introducing yourself to people about, you
32:28
know, who you are, what the difference really is between an
32:32
independent and the the two party system that's out there
32:35
now. How was that worked out for you?
32:39
So I'm getting extremely warm response all over my district
32:48
and from Democrats, Republicans and independents because the
32:55
electoral math for independents is really anti establishment
33:02
Democrats, anti establishment Republicans.
33:05
And in Florida it's non party affiliates or the independents
33:08
in the middle based on voting registration.
33:11
And, and as I mentioned, if somebody's going to vote
33:16
Democrat, no matter, they just refused.
33:18
They, you know, they're just, they're just going to do it.
33:21
I'm not actually, I'm not campaigning to them.
33:25
There's no point. It doesn't matter what I say.
33:27
They're perfectly happy with Chuck Schumer and Hillary
33:30
Clinton and the role the Democrats have had in taking us
33:33
to war. They're they're fine with that
33:35
same token on the Republicans. If you're just going to vote
33:37
Republican, doesn't matter who's on the ballot, you're just,
33:40
you're voting Republican and for whatever reason.
33:43
All right, they, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not talking to them
33:46
either. I mean, I'm talking to them, but
33:48
I'm not worried about getting their votes.
33:49
I'm not going to get it right. But this is the God's honest
33:53
truth in my district, in a lot of districts around the country,
33:56
what's left is the majority. I figure between 55 and 60% of
34:01
my district is very open to my conversation.
34:05
And they say, thank God there's something we have an alternative
34:09
on the ballot. If when you, when you look at
34:13
independent races like 30-40 years ago, for a variety of
34:18
reasons, not the least of which is campaigning was very
34:20
expensive. You had to buy TV ads.
34:22
People got their political information through commercials
34:25
on TV. It was very difficult to run a
34:30
competitive independent race 30 years ago.
34:33
And so when people ran as independents, they were called
34:36
spoilers. They were the Ralph Nader's the,
34:39
you know, the. The Ross pornos.
34:41
The Ross Perot's, although I think if Ross had actually
34:45
stayed in, I think he actually might have pulled it off the the
34:49
and oh, by the way, he was right about NAFTA.
34:55
Yeah, Ross, Ross is a was a was a great human being as far as I
34:59
was concerned at any event. All that's changed, that's
35:03
transformed. Travis, this is this is what I'm
35:05
bringing to your attention. The revelation, I suppose is
35:08
that the cost of campaigning is collapsing, right?
35:12
It doesn't actually take a huge amount of money.
35:15
And you look at these less well funded primary challengers all
35:19
over the country on both sides, and they have 10% of the money
35:24
that they spend on a race and they win the primary.
35:26
And it's because the public is getting their information as
35:30
much as anything these days through social media.
35:32
And social media is not very expensive to produce and deliver
35:38
to the market. So the viability of running a,
35:42
a, a legitimate independent challenge, a non Democrat, non
35:47
Republican challenge, the price of that has collapsed.
35:52
So that's the real change the technology has enabled.
35:57
I suppose the, the, the vice grip that the parties have on
36:02
the electorate is, is clearly, I mean, self evidently based on
36:05
the polling and you know, certainly to, to your question,
36:08
based on my, you know, I'm, I'm all over the place, all over the
36:11
district, all the time having these conversations.
36:14
The party's power over the electorate is collapsing.
36:17
It's their own fault. It's the cheating which
36:21
everybody sees in the Democratic Party when, when they behave
36:24
like that, when they try to force a candidate down the
36:27
electorate's throat, People notice, they notice there's a
36:31
race in Florida right now for U.S.
36:32
Senate in the Democratic primary.
36:34
That's coming up between Alex Vindman, Lieutenant Colonel
36:38
retired on the and then Angie Nixon, who's who's a State House
36:44
member. And the short version is the
36:48
Democratic Party in Florida refuses to allow Veneman to
36:52
allow Angie Nixon to debate Veneman.
36:54
They won't do it. Let's just say Veneman's robust
36:59
support for, for, for, for Israel and his unwillingness to
37:06
say he won't take a PAC money and his unwillingness to say
37:09
that he anything negative to the NDAA with this integration
37:12
merger between Israel and US technology and data.
37:17
Not to get into the politics of that.
37:19
Just to say that regardless of where anybody falls on that, it
37:23
is entirely inappropriate for the Florida Democratic Party
37:26
again, to prevent a legitimate conversation and debate.
37:30
Let the voters decide, but they're not letting them do
37:32
that. And you know, I've, I've shame
37:35
on Alex Penman for allowing that to happen.
37:37
He probably would win anyway. But it, it, it, it undermines
37:41
the, the confidence that the electorate has in our political
37:45
process when there's obvious cheating in one side or the
37:48
other. So, so here we are.
37:52
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm finding this very rewarding because,
37:57
because I'm trying to give a lot of these folks hope that because
38:02
people have, they've given up. They're like, I, I just, I've
38:05
given up on politics. I, I don't see that there's
38:07
anything that we can do that's going to change what's actually
38:11
happening. And So what I'm bringing is a
38:14
hopeful message, which is there are people like me all over the
38:17
country. This is an emerging movement and
38:22
it, I might not win this race. I'm going to try very hard.
38:25
It's definitely winnable. The math is there, but as part
38:30
of this group all over the country, the real objective here
38:33
is to get enough folks in so that it changes the perception
38:36
in the market of viability. We're not spoilers.
38:39
We're legitimate candidates. And when, when the when 2028
38:44
comes around, you're going to see, I believe, an explosion of,
38:49
of independence on the ballot. And that's if the Democrats
38:53
think they can take the electorates for granted, they
38:57
behave in a corrupt way. If the Republicans think they
39:00
can take the electorate for granted, they can behave in a,
39:03
in an inappropriate way. That's what we need.
39:08
We need to have politics that is responsive to the will of the
39:11
people. Here's the interesting thing,
39:14
Travis. I'll, I'll, the thing I'll point
39:15
out and that is that if you go issue by issue, you know, and
39:24
you see, you know, what does the public want?
39:26
Like what are the, what are their problems in their lived
39:28
life? What, what do they actually
39:29
want? And there's big 20 or 30 things
39:32
where there's broad consensus amongst the electorate.
39:36
You know, this is bipartisan electorate views where 7080% of
39:41
the electorates, Republicans and Democrats and independents agree
39:45
X like nobody, nobody wanted to go to war in Iran very strongly
39:50
public was like no right. We did it anyway with with
39:53
strong cheerleading from both sides of the aisle actually.
39:57
But if you look Travis, you look at something like like some sort
40:01
of comprehensive reform on healthcare.
40:03
We have the most expensive healthcare in the world.
40:07
And this isn't this is this is a bipartisan statement at this
40:10
point. We have most expensive
40:11
healthcare in the world. We have the worst outcomes of of
40:14
basically almost any developed country in the world.
40:17
So we have most expensive, worst outcomes and.
40:21
And somehow we're led to believe that there's nothing we can do
40:23
about that. The when you talk to the
40:26
electorate and you and you, and I'm very familiar because I'm,
40:29
I'm the chairman of the healthcare company.
40:31
I'm very aware of what's going on in the rest of the world.
40:34
And I, and it's really simple to say, well, what we have right
40:36
now is a choice. And the propaganda that is
40:41
preventing us from having an alternative on this is just that
40:45
it's propaganda. But without going into too many
40:47
details, I'm just pointing out that, you know, if you ask
40:50
people about about about some of the alternatives to our
40:54
healthcare system that are available to US 3040 years ago,
41:00
they would say, oh, that's that's impossible.
41:02
It'll never happen. You'd have the conversation now
41:05
with it with the voting public. And they're like, yeah, because
41:08
it's the number one cause of bankruptcy.
41:10
All of us know somebody that's like lost a house or, or gone
41:14
bankrupt because they got in a car accident and the great
41:17
insurance they had only covered a certain amount and they were
41:21
responsible for the next million and a half.
41:22
Well, who's got a million and a half sitting around?
41:24
That's, that's not how it works. But I would like to tell you
41:27
about Warrior Centric Health and how I got into that 'cause I
41:31
think it's quite, quite relevant to my own personal story.
41:35
So my little brother followed me to West Point.
41:39
He's much younger than I am. He graduated, I graduated in 89.
41:42
He graduated in 2006. He ended up going to infantry
41:48
following, you know, Ranger, all of that.
41:50
He was an infantry company commander in Afghanistan.
41:52
And unfortunately, he stepped on an ID.
41:55
He, he went left and should have gone right and it blew off both
41:59
of his legs and his right arm and three fingers.
42:01
And I had to drop everything I was doing.
42:05
I basically moved to Northern Virginia and drove into Walter
42:09
Reed for a very long time and tried to participate in his
42:11
recovery and it was brutal. I mean, I'm just being honest
42:15
with you. It was just God awful, worst
42:17
thing in my entire life to see my little brother, right?
42:19
Because I know he followed me to West Point.
42:23
And so I was already switched on and tuned in to the reality of
42:29
healthcare for our community because of my father.
42:32
And my only experience with golf where illness with my soldiers
42:35
and then my brother gets blown up.
42:37
While I was in DCI was introduced to a couple of what I
42:41
would consider, you know, like full on Patriots who were trying
42:45
to solve this problem. They had recognized something in
42:48
our healthcare system that nobody else had recognized and
42:50
that is that only 11% of male veterans get their care only at
42:55
the VA and only 20% of female veterans get their care only at
42:59
the VA. Everybody else is either
43:01
entirely or partially in the commercial sector.
43:04
So like 85% of our community. There's a problem with that
43:08
though, because just 'cause you don't have Ava rating, or just
43:13
because you're not sick right now, doesn't mean that your
43:16
exposures to toxins and the stresses of service don't
43:20
manifest in some sort of complex health outcome years later.
43:24
Well, I mean, just, I'm, I'm personally dealing with that
43:27
right now. And it's a long story, but an
43:30
injury that happened to be the Marine Corps came due five years
43:34
ago. And the VA swears up and down
43:37
there's no way they're connected.
43:38
And I have orthopedic surgeons telling me it absolutely is.
43:44
And it's madding. Well, I'm.
43:47
Sorry to hear that, Travis. It's it's given what I'm doing,
43:51
I regrettably hear that kind of frustrating.
43:53
I'm sure you do. And, and so the, the fact that
44:00
hospitals and clinics and clinicians don't ask about what
44:04
have you ever been asked, Travis, when you, when you, when
44:07
you go into a, a clinic or, or an emergency room or, or see a,
44:11
see a new Doctor, have you ever been asked about your military
44:14
service? No.
44:16
No, none of us are right. We have a, we have a almost 40%
44:21
increase in cardiovascular outcome, negative outcome.
44:25
So heart disease, all kind myocarditis, all this, all this
44:28
stuff 40% increase on the general population, 15% increase
44:34
in oncology. We all know people that have
44:36
died in their 30s or 40s because they got cancer and they served
44:41
right? So, and of course the PACT Act
44:43
was passed to try to address some of the the challenges from
44:48
the exposures in Afghanistan and Iraq from burn pits.
44:51
But the the commercial healthcare, civilian healthcare
44:57
doesn't ask the question. They don't take that information
44:59
into your electronic health records.
45:01
They don't have any training about the complexities of our
45:05
own impacts. They and effectively they don't
45:08
get a, a full patient history with an occupational input,
45:14
right? They don't get it.
45:15
So they misdiagnosed us all over the place, misdiagnosed us all
45:20
over the place. People die because of this.
45:25
And I'll go one step further. Did you ever do the push ups for
45:29
the 21 to bring awareness to the Yeah?
45:32
I did that a couple times, yes. Veteran suicide 21 a day goes up
45:36
and down a little bit. Do the push ups, put on your
45:38
social feed to say, look, we're, we're, we're still lit.
45:41
We, we know this is happening. We, we think it's important.
45:43
We want to bring awareness to it.
45:45
Here's what they don't tell you How many of those folks that
45:49
commit suicide are, are in commercial healthcare, 16 out of
45:53
21. Veteran suicide is a commercial
45:57
civilian healthcare crisis. It's not Ava crisis.
46:01
And I'm not giving the VAA free passage.
46:03
They've got wonderful clinicians and they've some VA hospitals
46:07
are fantastic and then others don't really need meet the
46:11
standard that we would expect, right.
46:12
So the VA is a mixed bag. But I'm not going to dump on the
46:15
VA, not at all. I would say that those of us
46:19
that don't have VA ratings, we're all in the commercial
46:21
sector. It, it, I'll, I'll throw
46:24
something out at you. The authorizing legislation.
46:28
So Tricare and the Mission Act, those are both insurance payment
46:31
streams, right, Paid for by the taxpayer.
46:36
You serve in the Department of Defense in some capacity.
46:39
You, you, you, you for a variety of reasons.
46:42
You will have many people have access to Tricare and it's the,
46:45
it's the insurance product they have when they will be treated
46:47
in the commercial sector, right? The Mission Act these days is if
46:51
you have coverage from the VA, then it's a payment stream into
46:55
the commercial sector. Folks that, you know, don't live
46:58
near a clinic. And so they're trying to give,
47:00
you know, people from our community access to care where
47:03
they live so they don't have to drive 300 miles or if there's a,
47:07
you know, shortage of, of, of, of clinicians and you know,
47:10
you're on a nine month waiting list for something that needs to
47:12
get treated tomorrow. You get submission act and
47:16
Tricare of both insurance products for our community to
47:20
receive care in the commercial sector.
47:22
You would expect that the authorizing legislation for 10s
47:27
of billions of dollars a year taxpayer money.
47:29
You would expect that the authorizing legislation for both
47:32
of those would include some sort of quality metric, some sort of
47:38
you have to know the difference between the Army and the Navy in
47:40
order to receive reimbursement from these programs because
47:43
everybody's comes from our community.
47:45
No, it doesn't. They don't have to know anything
47:48
about us. Nothing and not knowing anything
47:51
about us or you know, enhanced differential diagnosis
47:55
protocols, enhanced treatment protocols.
47:58
I mean, there's so much research and science, you know, peer
48:03
reviewed clinical research about our healthcare, like enormous
48:07
amounts of money. It has not found its way into
48:11
how care is actually practiced where we receive our care.
48:15
So I ended up Co founding and I'm the chairman of a company
48:19
called Warrior Centric Health with two partners.
48:21
One is retired Navy doc who's a leader in this space in the
48:25
country, Dr. Evelyn Lewis. The other gentleman Co founder
48:29
is Ron Steptoe is a West Point grad with me.
48:33
And these guys were already working on this problem because
48:36
they got brought in to help respond to what were the
48:41
underlying causes of when Walter Reed collapsed.
48:44
So they got the first, they got a DoD contract to come in and
48:47
try to solve that problem. 1 aspect of that problem to do
48:51
with clinician awareness and competency in dealing with our
48:55
our community. As a group, we've won eight DoD
48:59
contracts, we won SBIR awards, and we're sort of the national
49:03
leader in quality and safety, Frank, you know, basically
49:06
creating a standard of care on it, delivering quality care to
49:10
our community. The truth of the matter though,
49:12
is we're going to have to force the healthcare industry to adopt
49:15
the standard that the DoD is set.
49:18
OK, well, you know what? I didn't go to Ranger School.
49:21
I didn't graduate from Ranger School for nothing.
49:23
So what does that mean? Well, we've pushed the
49:26
legislation in Maryland and we've pushed the legislation in
49:28
Virginia, and we're working in multiple other states.
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At the end of the day, what does the legislation say?
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You have to ask about the military service, what you and I
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never get. Did you?
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Do you have any affiliation with the military?
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Tell me about your service. Number 2, they have to ask or
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they have to adopt the veteran community as a vulnerable
49:51
population. OK, the American Medical
49:54
Association finally this year and we had our hand in this,
49:58
have adopted veterans as a vulnerable population because of
50:01
our extremely extreme differential health app counts
50:04
that I mentioned. Once you adopt something as they
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as a vulnerable population, it has specific implications in
50:13
terms of what they're supposed to do to address this vulnerable
50:17
population. It's, it's, it's the Joint
50:19
Commission and CMS. It's a, it's a, it's, it's a specific thing
50:23
in medicine from a quality point of view.
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So if you, if anybody, if any state adopts those 3 frames,
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what they've said is a standard of care in their state.
50:32
And eventually all of the hospitals, health systems,
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clinics, community health departments and clinicians are
50:39
going to have to learn how to deliver quality, safe care to
50:43
our community because that's what we need.
50:45
That's what we're fighting for. And it's a it's an integral part
50:48
of what I'm doing in my campaign.
50:50
You know, I'm not, I'm not waiting on the sidelines for the
50:53
healthcare industry to decide. Oh, yeah, they care about this.
50:57
This even though the medicine's clear.
50:58
Oh, yeah, we should be. We should be doing this.
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But, you know, I'm, I've got these other priorities.
51:02
No, no, you don't. We're a priority.
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We're your number one priority. As a grateful nation, you should
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be required and expected to deliver quality and safe care to
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our community. And I'll go one step further,
51:15
Travis. This is a hugely important
51:17
issue. The National Guard does not have
51:20
access to VA. They don't have, they don't have
51:24
access to MTFS, military treatment facilities on bases
51:26
and posts. OK, so the National Guard is in
51:30
commercial healthcare, all of them, right?
51:33
So if they're after Vietnam, to make sure that when our nation
51:40
went to war, everybody went, they pulled little units out of
51:44
divisions and put them in the National Guard and and reserve
51:47
units. So, you know, I'm sure you know,
51:50
or where that the operations tempo to op tempo for the
51:55
National Guard reserves during, you know, the 20 years that we
51:58
were in Afghanistan and Iraq was out of control.
52:00
I mean, people were doing 567 tours.
52:06
You know, it was, it was insane. It's because it was, it was,
52:09
it's, it's not a it was designed that way.
52:12
What percentage? So here's a trick question I've
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asked, I've asked 34 star generals this question.
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I said, hey, Sir, I got a question for you.
52:20
What percentage of our force that we deployed in Afghanistan
52:23
and Iraq was came came from our our citizen soldiers, our
52:28
weekend warriors, citizen soldiers, our National Guard
52:30
Reserve folks. And they're like 20%.
52:32
No, it's 45% at the high watermark.
52:35
So half the people we're deploying to fight our wars for
52:38
us come from this, this community.
52:41
They don't have access to any qualified care.
52:44
So what does it mean? Here's the implication.
52:46
It's a national security issue because their readiness is
52:49
terrible because they don't have access to care.
52:53
Now in Maryland, I'll give them, I'll give Maryland credit to
52:55
this. Maryland has created a program.
52:58
I think it's another state that's doing this or going to do
53:00
this in addition to passing the the Matthew fast Act, which
53:07
implemented this, this this standard of care, this three
53:10
tier thing I mentioned. They've also passed a, a law
53:14
that that means the state of Maryland will help subsidized
53:18
access for National Guardsmen to buy into Tricare reserve select.
53:25
So if, if you know, if, if there you got a Guardsman, imagine a
53:29
you, you know, you were in the service.
53:31
Imagine an E4 that's a National Guardsman working, you know,
53:36
working a construction job, you know, hard working fellow
53:39
working a construction job. They, they don't have any health
53:42
care. They're just basically, and
53:44
they're in the reserves because they're serving their country.
53:46
Maybe they're saving up to go to college and that that person's
53:50
not taking care of their health because they and they don't have
53:53
health care. So it's no particular surprise
53:55
when it comes time to deploy. They're not, they're not fit,
54:00
not because of their push ups, but because they've got some
54:02
sort of dentistry is the worst nobody.
54:06
They don't, they don't go to the dentist.
54:08
So anyway, I'm, I'm, I'm preaching to the choir with you,
54:11
Travis. But I thought you, I thought you
54:12
and your viewers should know that there's a group of us that
54:15
are trying to fix this problem and we're not sitting idly on
54:18
the sidelines. We're actually forcing the
54:21
issue. And by God, we're going to force
54:24
the government at the state and at the federal level to fix this
54:27
problem. And if they don't, if if they
54:29
don't do it because it's the right thing to do and it is the
54:32
right thing to do, they need to do it because of the national
54:36
security implications of having a guard that's fit to fight.
54:39
And right now, they do not have access to quality, informed,
54:43
safe care. Well, I just, I hear about all
54:46
these weapons systems we're building and we can do this, We
54:49
can do that. But I'm like, OK, but you won't
54:50
take that same money and invest it into the person actually
54:55
having to, to crew work on and support that, that soldier.
55:00
It's like, if you're not willing to do that, then I'm not willing
55:03
to tell Americans that we should, you know, go to your
55:06
wars. I'm just not willing to do that.
55:08
That's not what you know, I, I'm, I'm about, you know,
55:13
you're, you're, you're doing this.
55:14
And, and for many people, independent is, is still
55:19
something they don't know much about.
55:20
How can people connect with you? Learn more about what you're
55:24
doing on the local and national level, Mike.
55:27
Well, I mean, my web page is Mike Klein, MIKEKLEIN #4
55:35
congress.com. Mike Klein for congress.com.
55:37
OK, I'll have that week in the show post.
55:39
Yeah, I'm really easy to find and I'm happy to.
55:42
I don't care what your political persuasion is or, or what are
55:46
your beliefs. None of that makes any
55:47
difference to me. I'm interested in people that
55:49
actually believe in the Constitution, that what we have
55:53
is worth fighting for and that are willing to roll up their
55:56
sleeves and get busy in their own community.
55:58
That's what I'm interested in. And, and I and I'm, I'm a nice
56:03
guy. You know, if I disagree with
56:04
you, I won't chew your head off. That's fine.
56:05
You can and you can yell at me. I don't take it personally.
56:08
People have hard views and that's fine.
56:10
We should be able to disagree with each other, right?
56:15
And then and, and then and then Mark smartly forward on behalf
56:19
of a, of a nation, you know, 'cause we have, we have
56:22
communities and we have families and we have, we have our older
56:26
generation that's struggling. I mean, there's, there's a lot
56:29
going on right now in our country and there's a lot of
56:31
change happening. The military and veteran
56:34
community should be able to come together for common purpose to
56:39
focus on public, we know public service.
56:42
We know putting it on the line. And if people out listening to
56:45
this want to get busy in your own community, you want some
56:48
suggestions on how you can actually get involved in what is
56:52
an evolving movement on this independent side, then by all
56:54
means, reach out. Be happy to have a conversation
56:57
with anybody. You know, you know, I've learned
57:00
a lot in this time together. I'm not only about being
57:03
independent Canada, but also the motivations for why more and
57:07
more people are choosing to be independent.
57:09
And you know, I'm very interested to see what happens
57:12
this midterms in 2028. I just want to thank you for
57:15
coming on and sharing with us. Travis Real a real pleasure.
57:19
I look forward to watching more of your your shows.
57:22
I I admire your, your contribution to the conversation
57:26
we're having amongst our community.
57:27
And so, so keep going man. You're doing great work and I
57:31
look forward to talk to you again soon again.
57:33
Ladies and gentlemen, this is Mike Klein for Congress in the
57:37
state of 4th of the Third District, right?
57:39
That's correct. Third District of Florida, North
57:41
Florida. Mike, thank you so much.
57:43
I'm trap sauce. Mike Radio, we are mission in
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