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Bonus Episode: 2025 Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame Nominees and Helter Skelter · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject Billy Idle. We're previewing
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  Speaker 1: the coming Charles Manson, Mama Cash, Sharon Tatee madness that'll
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  Speaker 1: be in your Disgraceland in Hollywood Land feed shortly we're
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  Speaker 1: talking rock and roll, Hall of Fame, blues, and we
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  Speaker 1: get into your voicemails, text DMS emails and as always,
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of rosie. All right, Discos, let's get
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  Speaker 1: into it. Billy Idol. This week's full episode subject of
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  Speaker 1: disgrace and was, as you've by now learned if you listened,
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  Speaker 1: a true rock and roll animal. As we like to say,
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  Speaker 1: few musicians lived as dangerously and as wild as Billy
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  Speaker 1: Idl did, and fewer still live to tell about it.
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  Speaker 1: Billy is on the short list of rock and Roll Animalism.
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  Speaker 1: That shortlist with like Keith Moon, Keith Richards, small handful
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  Speaker 1: of others. Billy Idol is also on another list. He's
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  Speaker 1: on the list of musicians nominated this year to the
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  Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, along with Billy Idol Oasis,
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  Speaker 1: Bad Company, Black Crows, Outcast, White Stripes, Joe Cocker, Joy Division,
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  Speaker 1: and New Order as banned. How does that make sense?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Chubby Checker, Cindy lauper MANA Fish, Soundgarden,
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  Speaker 1: and Mariah Carey are all nominated. That's with Billy Idol
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  Speaker 1: fourteen nominees. Now only seven are going to get in.
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  Speaker 1: Only seven are going to get into the Rock and
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  Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame. Does Billy Idol deserve to be
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  Speaker 1: one of these seven? That's what I want to figure
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  Speaker 1: out again. Here's the list Oasis, Bad Company, Black Crows, Outcast,
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  Speaker 1: White Stripes, Joe Cocker, Joy Division and New Order, Chubby Checker,
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  Speaker 1: Cidei lauper MANA Fish, Soundgarden, and Mariah Carey. So which
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  Speaker 1: seven are you choosing from that list? If it's me
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  Speaker 1: I'd nominate Bad Brains, Graham Parsons, New York Dolls, Motorhead
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  Speaker 1: in the Smiths before I nominate most of this list,
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  Speaker 1: but that is another story. Let's stick to the cards
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  Speaker 1: we've been dealt here. In twenty twenty five, you have
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  Speaker 1: seven artists you can choose from this list of fourteen
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  Speaker 1: artists Oasis, Bad Company, Black Crows, Outcast One, Sorry Still Cocker,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Division in new order, Chubby Checker, Cindy Lappermanafish, Soundgarden,
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  Speaker 1: and Mariah Carry Who are you choosing for your seven? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees are chosen by
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  Speaker 1: a mix of industry insiders and a fan vote. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: the fan vote has the following seven artists in the lead,
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  Speaker 1: with what I would assume is the best chance of
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  Speaker 1: getting in when the polls close on April twenty first.
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  Speaker 1: They are in reverse order, number seven with the most
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  Speaker 1: votes Number seven, Chubby Checker, number six, Joe Cocker number five,
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  Speaker 1: Our friends who we've been talking a lot about here
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  Speaker 1: in disgracelamd Lately, Soundgarden number four, Cindy Lauper number three
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  Speaker 1: are Guy Billy IDL, number two, Bad Company, and number
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  Speaker 1: one Fish Fish Fish number one in the voting by
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  Speaker 1: a wide margin as well. Now, I don't know about you, guys,
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  Speaker 1: but Fish would be way down on my list. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing their top ranking here in votes has more
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  Speaker 1: to do with Fish's fan base being super active online.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what's going on. I don't think people
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  Speaker 1: buy and large think the Fish is more deserving, the
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  Speaker 1: most deserving of all fourteen of these nominees to be
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  Speaker 1: in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame now, notably
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  Speaker 1: Black Crows, Mariah Carey, Joydvision, Slash, New Order, White Stripes, Outcast,
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  Speaker 1: Oasis in Mana. I don't know who Mana is, but anyways,
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  Speaker 1: Mana are currently not receiving enough votes to qualify. How
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  Speaker 1: is it that there's an artist on the Rock and
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  Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame inductee list that I've never heard of? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that makes no sense. And I know you're gonna say
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  Speaker 1: they're from South America or Mexico or Spain or some
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  Speaker 1: other country that I'm not paying attention to. You're right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not paying attention to them. But that's not my problem.
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  Speaker 1: That's their problem. They're supposed to be so undeniably great
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  Speaker 1: and Hall of Fame worthy that they are pulling my
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  Speaker 1: attention toward them. That's another story. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: get into that. Just know that Mana, along with Oasis, Outcast,
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  Speaker 1: White Stripes, Joydavision, Slash, New Order, Mariah Carey, Black Crows
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  Speaker 1: right now, as of the voting, are not getting into
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  Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And that a
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  Speaker 1: list topped by Fish. Well, you know, okay, so this
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  Speaker 1: list doesn't upset me as much as the grunge list
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  Speaker 1: from a couple of weeks ago that we were talking about.
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  Speaker 1: But it's you know, I mean guys again, the seven
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  Speaker 1: in the lead, Fish, Bad Company, our Guy, Billy Idol,
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  Speaker 1: Cindy Lapper, Soundguard, and Joe Cocker. And I get I
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  Speaker 1: got a problem with Oasis and Black Crows being below
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  Speaker 1: Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Bad Company, Cindy Lauper, and Fish
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  Speaker 1: even Soundguard, And I think I put Oasis in Black
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  Speaker 1: Crows above Soundgarden, I would, I think? So. Yeah. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure what the criteria is here, but rock and
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  Speaker 1: roll animalism it should be an input, It should be
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  Speaker 1: a thought. At least, it should be a trait, no
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  Speaker 1: matter how heavy or how lightly we wait it. It
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  Speaker 1: should be a trait that we consider when we consider
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  Speaker 1: the worthiness of an artist for the Rock and Roll
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I know it's you know, this is
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  Speaker 1: our purview, our side of the street. Our point of
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  Speaker 1: view is rock and roll animalism. I get that, I
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  Speaker 1: get that most people aren't thinking about that. But still,
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  Speaker 1: how do you just ignore it? You know? How do
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  Speaker 1: you ignore it? Fish? Again? Fish? So I want to
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  Speaker 1: know from you guys, who should be inducted into the
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  Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year. We can
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  Speaker 1: only choose seven artists. Okay, I already listed five that
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  Speaker 1: I think have been historically snubbed. Bad Brains, Motorhead, Graham Parsons,
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  Speaker 1: New York, Dolls in the Smith's. That leaves only two
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  Speaker 1: remaining slots from our current list of fourteen nominees again Oasis,
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  Speaker 1: Bad Company, Black Crows, Outcast, White Stripes, Steal Cocker, Joy Division, Slash,
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  Speaker 1: New Order, Chubby Checker, Cydey, lauper mana Fish, Soundgarden, and
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  Speaker 1: Mariah Carey. From that list, if I can only choose
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  Speaker 1: two to go along with my list of five snubs,
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  Speaker 1: if I can only choose two from that list of
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  Speaker 1: fourteen who am I choosing, well, definitely, Oasis, definitely, and
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm bringing it all back to Bangkok Hollar Holler,
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  Speaker 1: City of Squalor. I gotta go with Billy Idol. I
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  Speaker 1: do Oasis and Billy Idol, along with Bad Brains, Motorhead,
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  Speaker 1: Graham Parsons, New York Dolls, and the Smiths, would be
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  Speaker 1: my list of seven Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 1: inductees for the class of twenty twenty five. If your
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  Speaker 1: guy right here, me yours truly was responsible for the Hall.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not. Maybe some of you are. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a great fucking list. Bad Brains, Motorhead,
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  Speaker 1: Grand Parsons, New York Dolls, Smith's, Oasis, and Billy idel
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  Speaker 1: But I want to know who are you inducting into
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  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? Okay, you can only choose seven,
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  Speaker 1: all right, seven? And I think some of the lists
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  Speaker 1: of the current fourteen nominees are worthy. I think Billy
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  Speaker 1: Idol is worthy this week's subject. I really do, I
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  Speaker 1: truly do, and not just for his rock and roll animalism.
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  Speaker 1: Dude wrote stone cold hits Okay, huge, massive, culture defining, genre,
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  Speaker 1: defining era, defining hits he was such the avatar for
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  Speaker 1: punk rock that he made it something else where. He
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  Speaker 1: tricked our brains into ignoring the fact that he was
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  Speaker 1: punk rock, if that makes sense. He was that big,
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  Speaker 1: his songs were that impactful. And I know he's Billy
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  Speaker 1: Idol and for those of us who were watching MTV
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  Speaker 1: at the time, he's a top forty artist and he
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  Speaker 1: was kind of a cheeseball, and I get all that,
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  Speaker 1: and I've never really bought a Billie Idol record in
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  Speaker 1: my life, but he just defined that generation and Generation X,
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  Speaker 1: the band he was in before that was just I mean,
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  Speaker 1: come on, ready, Steady go, just great, great, great punk band.
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  Speaker 1: And I truly believe that if he weren't, if he
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  Speaker 1: didn't end up being as big as he was, the
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  Speaker 1: Generation X would have been looked upon more fondly and
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  Speaker 1: as an equal of the Clash, as an equal of
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  Speaker 1: any of those great UK bands from that generation of
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  Speaker 1: mid to late seventies punk rock. Anyhow, I want your
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  Speaker 1: list of seven nominees for the Rock and Roll Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame six one seven, nine oh six, six six
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  Speaker 1: three eight. You can call me, leave me a voicemail,
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  Speaker 1: you can send me a text, and perhaps we can
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  Speaker 1: talk about it next week, Okay. Coming up next to
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  Speaker 1: your feed is our episode on Charles Manson the Musician.
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  Speaker 1: This is our rewind episode, our archive episode Charles Manson
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  Speaker 1: the Musician. Yes, he's the same dude as the cult
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  Speaker 1: leader Charles Manson. A Lot of people don't know this,
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  Speaker 1: but Charlie was a real, sort of real, I guess
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  Speaker 1: musician before he orchestrated the murders at Cilo Drive and
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  Speaker 1: the Labianco Residence. Charlie's music was in part what contributed
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  Speaker 1: to his murderous rage, or at least that's what we're
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  Speaker 1: told to believe in Helter Skelter, and Charlie's music lived
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  Speaker 1: on long after he was sent to prison, and it
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  Speaker 1: inspired a whole group of punk rock and hardcore kids
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  Speaker 1: and alternative musicians who came up in the eighties and
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties, Trent Resner, Henry Rollins, and a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of others. We get into all this and the archive
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  Speaker 1: episode on Charles Manson coming Friday, but the main thing
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  Speaker 1: we do in this episode is we set the stage
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  Speaker 1: to totally disrupt the Helter Skelter theory that we've all
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  Speaker 1: been led to believe over the last fifty years or so. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: if you watched the recent Chaos documentary on Netflix, or
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  Speaker 1: you read the Chaos book by Tom O'Neil, the Manson Murders,
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  Speaker 1: you'll know what I'm talking about. So our Manson episode
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  Speaker 1: this Friday is going to feed directly into our Mama
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  Speaker 1: Cass Elliott episodes parts one and two coming up on
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  Speaker 1: Monday and Tuesday. And not only do these Mama Cass
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  Speaker 1: Elliott episodes coming next week challenge and disrupt the accepted
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  Speaker 1: narrative on Helter Skelter, they lay out what I think
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  Speaker 1: really happened, and the truth is way stranger and much
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  Speaker 1: more violent than the story about Charles Manson that we've
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  Speaker 1: all accepted. The truth involves international drug trafficking, gang rape,
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  Speaker 1: like the worst possible thing that could happen to a
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  Speaker 1: dude sort of watching his child die, and a plot
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  Speaker 1: so thick you're going to need to shovel to dig
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  Speaker 1: yourself out of afterward. Okay, which brings us to next
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  Speaker 1: week's question of the week. When you're listening to the
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  Speaker 1: two part Mama Cass episodes, it's a simple question, do
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  Speaker 1: you believe that the accepted narrative on Helter Skelter is real.
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  Speaker 1: And again I'll point out that I rep this this
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  Speaker 1: narrative that I no longer believe in in my Beach
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  Speaker 1: Boys episodes because I had not yet read Chaos when
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  Speaker 1: I made the Beach Boys episodes. This is sort of
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  Speaker 1: me writing the ship attempt with the Mama Cass episodes.
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  Speaker 1: When you're listening to them, my question is did Manson
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  Speaker 1: kill for the reasons that they said he did or
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  Speaker 1: was there another reason? As I lay out that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be next week's question of the week, do you
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  Speaker 1: believe the Helter Skelter narrative? To further stoke your Helter
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  Speaker 1: Skelter flame, our Hollywood Land episodes next week on Monday
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  Speaker 1: tied directly with our Disgraceland episodes. Like I said at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of next week in the Disgraceland feed, you're
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  Speaker 1: getting our Mama Cass Elliot episodes about the Manson murders.
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  Speaker 1: But did you know that Mama Cass Elliott was best
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  Speaker 1: friends with Sharon Tate? Sharon Tate who was murdered by
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  Speaker 1: the Manson family, did you know that her best friend
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  Speaker 1: was Mama Cass Elliot from the Mamas and Napappas and
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  Speaker 1: and that there is evidence that Charles Manson, through Mama
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  Speaker 1: Cass actually met Sharon Tate before killing her. It's super creepy.
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  Speaker 1: Not only do we get into that in the cast episodes,
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  Speaker 1: but we also get into it in the Sharon Tate
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  Speaker 1: episodes that we are releasing next week in Hollywood Land. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the Tate hollywood Land episodes speak directly to the Mama
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  Speaker 1: Cass Disgraceland episodes. We wrote them in a Roschermon way.
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  Speaker 1: Each story is set in the same place, but told
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  Speaker 1: from different points of view. The Disgraceland episodes are set
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  Speaker 1: in Helter Skelter and told from the point of view
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  Speaker 1: of Mama Cass, and the Hollywood Land episodes are set
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  Speaker 1: in the same exact place, but told from the point
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  Speaker 1: of view of her friend Sharon Tate. Okay, so Holy
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, Batman. Here is the upcoming schedule. Tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: in your Disgraceland feed, a rewind episode on Charles Manson
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  Speaker 1: the music Man. Monday and Tuesday. The story continues in
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  Speaker 1: Disgraceland with parts one and two of the Mama Cass
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  Speaker 1: Elliott story and her relationship to the Manson murders, and
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  Speaker 1: also on Monday over in the Hollywood Land, feed our
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  Speaker 1: two part story on Sharon Tate. I'd listen to manson
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  Speaker 1: Cast one, Cast two, Sharon Tate one and Sharon Tate
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  Speaker 1: two in that order, and then call me and let
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  Speaker 1: me know if you still believe the Helter Skelter narrative
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  Speaker 1: as told by Vincent Buliosi and the biggest selling true
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  Speaker 1: crime book of all time, Helter Skelter. All right, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna take a break. I'll be hanging on the telephone
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  Speaker 1: on the other side with your voicemails, texts and dms.
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  Speaker 1: All right, guys, I'm back Apple podcast listeners real quick.
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  Speaker 1: auto downloads turned on for Disgraceland and Hollywood Land. That
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  Speaker 1: way you do not miss any episodes. Six one seven
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  Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight. You know where
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  Speaker 1: I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. This is the
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  Speaker 1: one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone. You
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  Speaker 1: want to send me a voicemail or a text six
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  Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight to
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  Speaker 1: hang on the telephone with yours truly. Let's check out
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  Speaker 1: this voicemail from Hey, This is been from.
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  Speaker 2: The eight oh three Jack Jake.
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  Speaker 1: God damn it, you got me again. My slack. I
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  Speaker 1: I did listen to John Denver. I sat there flag jawed, thinking,
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  Speaker 1: my god, all my crazy conspiracy series.
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  Speaker 2: On JFK was totally off face because I never heard
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  Speaker 2: Dylan involved.
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  Speaker 1: In any of this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And what can I.
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  Speaker 1: Say other than you got me again. Great episode, Thanks Chief,
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  Speaker 1: have a good work as always. Raga Rola Ben. All right, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy you get into that episode. I'm happy you
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  Speaker 1: get you get you know, sense of humor about the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. Appreciate you. I'm especially happy to know that
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  Speaker 1: you fell for John Denver and then you fell for
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  Speaker 1: Bob Dylan as well. All right, let's check out the
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  Speaker 1: four one two Jake.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big gaber from the four one to two Pittsburgh, PA.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to tell you you fucking got me
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  Speaker 2: man so good with this killing episode. My mind was
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  Speaker 2: freaking boy, and I thought I was going to pass
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  Speaker 2: out with rage or whatever when you revealed.
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  Speaker 1: That it was an April foolish Jake four one two
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  Speaker 1: out in Pittsburgh. Rage. Man, I'm not trying to I'm
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  Speaker 1: not trying to drive anyone rage. He's trying to entertain
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  Speaker 1: some folks. Sounds like you took it well. I appreciate that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Thanks for reaching reaching out. Are you a Pirates fan?
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Let me know. I've got a late breaking opinion about
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: the Pirates. I think the Pittsburgh Pirates might have the
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: best uniform in baseball. I think they have the best hat,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: the one with the piping, you know, circular goes around
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. What do they call that? What's that
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  Speaker 1: hat called? Hit me back? Four one two? All right?
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  Speaker 1: This one comes from the four one five four one
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  Speaker 1: five right, saying, Hey, totally got me. Bob was very
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  Speaker 1: influential in my life. He's talking about Bob down saw
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  Speaker 1: him in nineteen sixty five at a Berkeley community center. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Goes on to say, I love that you actually worked
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  Speaker 1: with Carl. He's talking about Carl Bernstein. Uh, you got
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  Speaker 1: me with the John Denver one too. But that did
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  Speaker 1: seem way out of line. This was more feasible. Curious
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  Speaker 1: about Tom Payn Award, and if Dylan really was so
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  Speaker 1: flipping about the war, he certainly was affected by his
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  Speaker 1: death by the murder Most Foul Song recently. Well, yes,
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  Speaker 1: the Tom Pain depiction in the episode the Tom Payn
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  Speaker 1: Awards depiction. That is all everything I put in Dylan's
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  Speaker 1: mouth in that episode is verbatim. I quoted him directly
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  Speaker 1: and all true. And it was a big, big, big
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  Speaker 1: controversy at the time. No one really talks about it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: It's not part of his myth, it's not part of
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  Speaker 1: his lore, and that goes to show just how history
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  Speaker 1: records some things and how history does not record others.
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  Speaker 1: The bit about him being flipping about the war also
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  Speaker 1: completely true. That's from Singout magazine. That quote is a
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  Speaker 1: direct quote from Dylan. I don't believe Dylan was for
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  Speaker 1: the war, however, I think he was fucking with that journalist.
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  Speaker 1: I think what Dylan was for was not being pigeonholed
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  Speaker 1: into any sort of image of the sixties generation of
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  Speaker 1: the anti war movement, anything like that. So four one, five,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you. Thanks for the text. Nine oh seven rights
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  Speaker 1: and Jake, I must tip my hat to you, the
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  Speaker 1: maestro of the April fools gag. No later than five
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  Speaker 1: hours after I had bragged to my students I'm a
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  Speaker 1: high school chemistry teacher, that no one had fooled me
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  Speaker 1: on April first, I then finished listening to Bob Dylan
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  Speaker 1: Part two. I bought every bit of your episode right
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