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How The Taylor Swift Fandom Changed Our Lives From Olivia Levine · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: How is everybody doing?
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  Speaker 3: Hi?
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic?
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  Speaker 2: Good to be on the car with you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be very exciting to share a
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  Speaker 1: conversation with you because the two of us deal with
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift in so many different ways. Because I'm taking
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  Speaker 1: it from the radio side on how she changed the
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  Speaker 1: whole entire platform that I've been performing on for all
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  Speaker 1: these years, and then you take it from the fans
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  Speaker 1: side as well, and it's like they both had to
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  Speaker 1: get along, and I mean with the fans that you
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  Speaker 1: got and the fans that we had in radio. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what I love about this book is that you're
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  Speaker 1: not afraid to go in there and share the authenticity
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  Speaker 1: of absolutely one of the greatest performers of our time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for saying that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, she has built such a loyal, incredible,
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  Speaker 3: positive community the last two decades and it's just crazy
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  Speaker 3: to see where she started to where she is now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I remember when she was a middle teen and
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  Speaker 1: she came to the radio stations. It was during what
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  Speaker 1: I used to call the Patsy Kline kind of tour,
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  Speaker 1: where she comes out, she shakes everybody's hands, gets to
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  Speaker 1: know the radio disc jockeys. She doesn't forget that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the part of the relationship that I love
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  Speaker 1: about having Taylor Swift in our journey is the fact
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  Speaker 1: that she just doesn't forget where she's been and who
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  Speaker 1: has been there with her the entire time exactly.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't need to do all the little things that
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  Speaker 3: she still does to cultivate the fandom, but she does
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  Speaker 3: it because she knows we have so much fun with it.
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  Speaker 3: I think she has so much fun with it. And
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  Speaker 3: she never lost sight of, you know, who she was
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  Speaker 3: when she started all of this, which I think is
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  Speaker 3: one of the most beautiful things.
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  Speaker 1: I got to give you kudos for the design of
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  Speaker 1: the book, and the reason why is because I am
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  Speaker 1: a daily writer. I use hardcover journals, and so the
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  Speaker 1: texture of this book reminds me so much of a journal.
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  Speaker 1: And then when you dive in, it really has the
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  Speaker 1: texture of a journal. I mean, it just feels so
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  Speaker 1: good and it looks even better.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: I really was going for that vintage vibe, like it
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  Speaker 3: could be a book that you've had on your coffee
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  Speaker 3: table for you know, thirty forty fifty years.
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  Speaker 2: And it kind of looks like a fairy tale. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And not only that, but it's one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I put so much energy into is a thing
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  Speaker 1: called Dear Future Reader. It's almost like her life is
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  Speaker 1: dear future reader, this is and this is what I
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  Speaker 1: did during this journey. Now look at where we are today.
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  Speaker 1: So it's almost like that what you've done with this
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  Speaker 1: book is you've created a path for us to say, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: now they're married, let's go to the next chapter with them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that the way you put that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's gonna I'm probably gonna need
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  Speaker 3: to do a part two in another twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so much is going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: So is there anything that shocks you? And the reason why,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, because first of all, I was shocked with
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  Speaker 1: the story behind Love Story because once again, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: mobile entertainer and a DJ. I know what it was
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  Speaker 1: like that when Love Story came into our world. But
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  Speaker 1: then to read about it and to feel it through
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  Speaker 1: the actual, honest to god fan, it's a completely different story,
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  Speaker 1: but it's all married together.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I think what's so beautiful in her
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  Speaker 3: music since the very beginning is just her honesty and
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  Speaker 3: she was never afraid to be vulnerable, no matter how
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  Speaker 3: what people would say or if she was judged by
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the world. She really always wrote music
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  Speaker 3: and put it out for herself and for the fans
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  Speaker 3: who would relate to it, and she knew it would
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  Speaker 3: help us get through our own life experiences. So I
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  Speaker 3: love that she's never lost that vulnerability as well in
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  Speaker 3: the last twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you are in that same boat because look at
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  Speaker 1: that letter that you wrote to Taylor in this That
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  Speaker 1: was pretty gutsy right there, because you know, darn good
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  Speaker 1: and well, she could be walking through Santa Barbara, California
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  Speaker 1: this book and go, well, that was sweet. Let me
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  Speaker 1: reach out to her now so I can answer it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, people always ask me an interviews what
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  Speaker 3: would you want to say to Taylor. I'm like, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, open the first page of my book and
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  Speaker 3: it's right there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I hope she reads it. I've sent it
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  Speaker 2: to some people around her, so.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty hopeful that when it's the right time, it'll
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  Speaker 3: get into her hands, and I hope she loves it.
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  Speaker 1: I've had the best time sharing this book with real
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  Speaker 1: hardcore Taylor Swift fans, those that have seen her several times,
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  Speaker 1: six to fifteen times in concert. And the thing is,
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  Speaker 1: they look at this and it's like they want to
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  Speaker 1: hold onto it and not let it go. And I say,
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  Speaker 1: go get your own man. I meant, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to be mean like that, but it's like it's like,
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  Speaker 1: come on. But it's fascinating to see how they embrace it,
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  Speaker 1: going this is it, This is it, this is what
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  Speaker 1: I lived. Yeah, this is it. So it's about the
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  Speaker 1: fan as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's crazy because it's such a personal
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  Speaker 3: experience being a fan, but it's also such a universal
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  Speaker 3: experience within the fandom. So I'm really glad that I
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  Speaker 3: keep getting messages every day. I read the story of Us,
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  Speaker 3: and you put everything I think into words. Perfectly, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, that was the goal because we all
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  Speaker 3: have different experiences, but it really is a very similar one.
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  Speaker 3: And I am glad that I was able to express
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  Speaker 3: that in the book in a way that people resonated with.
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  Speaker 1: What's one thing that fans are going to take from
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  Speaker 1: the book in the wave going. I didn't know that,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, because I always believe in OMG moments
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  Speaker 1: and you definitely have a lot of edit it, but
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  Speaker 1: to a true fan it might be, yeah, I've heard
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  Speaker 1: of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean one of the oh my God moments for
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  Speaker 3: me personally is in chapter one I talk about I
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  Speaker 3: kind of go into detail for the first time with
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  Speaker 3: what it was like going to Taylor's house and meeting
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  Speaker 3: her and her family. So that's an oh my God moment.
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  Speaker 3: And then another oh my God moment.
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  Speaker 2: Is probably the.
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  Speaker 3: Chapter three, the Tumbler moments, the parasocial chapter. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of newer fans don't know that Tumblr
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  Speaker 3: was such a big deal back in the day. Taylor
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  Speaker 3: followed me on there, We would interact a lot on there.
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  Speaker 3: It was kind of our own secret safe place within
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  Speaker 3: the fandom with Taylor. So I think a lot of
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  Speaker 3: inside jokes that people may not understand.
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  Speaker 2: Like I always get people commenting on my post, wait
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  Speaker 2: what does this mean?
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  Speaker 3: And that's kind of it's the swifty Bible, I like
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  Speaker 3: to say.
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  Speaker 2: It's like we'll get caught up on everything and you'll
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  Speaker 2: know everything once you read it.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 1: I love what I came across today in the newspapers,
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  Speaker 1: and that was is that Taylor is kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: shifting down and taking life easy in Kansas City. She's
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  Speaker 1: learning how to cook Italian food, and she's really becoming
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  Speaker 1: a part of that community. I wanted to see this
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago, but I'm happy with seeing it
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  Speaker 1: now because I just know there's a human being somewhere
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  Speaker 1: inside that imagination.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's just a creative genius. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think she'll ever stop working. I think even if she's
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  Speaker 3: taking some time off, she's definitely writing all the time.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm glad that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, she's enjoying her new married life. I'm so
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  Speaker 3: happy she found someone like Travis Kelcey. I think the
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  Speaker 3: whole fandom is and I truly think she couldn't have
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  Speaker 3: married into a better family and vice versa.
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  Speaker 2: FORR.
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  Speaker 1: Travis, Please don't move. There's more with Olivia Levine coming
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  Speaker 1: up next. The name of the book The Story of
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  Speaker 1: Us How the Taylor Swift fandom changed our lives. We
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  Speaker 1: are back with the author, Olivia Levine, well being a
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  Speaker 1: daily writer when it comes to these journals. And I
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  Speaker 1: recently saw a picture of Taylor with all of her journals, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, charged me up like you wouldn't believe.
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  Speaker 1: She hit a different side of my creative side. It's
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  Speaker 1: one of those things where I would like to sit
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  Speaker 1: down with Travis and say, what are you going to
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  Speaker 1: do with the journals? Because my wife has no idea
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  Speaker 1: what she's going to do with mine, because those journals
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  Speaker 1: are so personal and so valuable to the future well
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  Speaker 1: beyond us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, one thing about Travis, I feel he celebrates her
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  Speaker 3: so much publicly, but I'm sure privately as well. So
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  Speaker 3: I think he's just so astonished by her work, ethic
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  Speaker 3: and how much of.
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  Speaker 2: A creative genius she is.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's as shocked as the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: world is when she puts out her through music.
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  Speaker 1: So do you think that you know being a creative person,
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  Speaker 1: because there's a lot of us and you being creative
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  Speaker 1: as your well as well. I mean, there's probably things
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  Speaker 1: like this that you've gone through and you've had to
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  Speaker 1: learn how to deal with it where people look at
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  Speaker 1: you saying you don't have to put that much of
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  Speaker 1: yourself into it. Oh, yes I do. And it seems
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  Speaker 1: like that in reading this book. Yes, that's the way
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  Speaker 1: you play as well, and so does Taylor. She gives
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  Speaker 1: it more than just what the average person would.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think that if you don't give it your all,
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  Speaker 3: and if you're not truly vulnerable and honest, then you're
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  Speaker 3: not going to get the reaction that you want out
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  Speaker 3: of people, because you want people to resonate with something,
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  Speaker 3: and how can they resonate with it if you really
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  Speaker 3: don't put your full vulnerable self into it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you use a big word in here which
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  Speaker 1: I think would be a great marketing tool for you
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  Speaker 1: for t shirts and bookmarks and things, and that is romanticization.
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  Speaker 1: I like that word.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's a big theme throughout the book.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big theme and who you are as fans
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  Speaker 3: and Taylor's music as well.
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  Speaker 1: Has it been a fun journey, begin mean, to go
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  Speaker 1: for city to city to city and to get as
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  Speaker 1: close as you have by going to her house. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's no longer about I'm just
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  Speaker 1: an innocent music fan out here who picked up her
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  Speaker 1: song on Spotify or iHeartRadio. I mean, you really have
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  Speaker 1: stepped into it now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, especially during the aerostour, it was a whirlwind.
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  Speaker 2: I went to eleven shows.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to award shows and Chiefs Games, so
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  Speaker 3: that was a wild time to document on social media.
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  Speaker 3: But it's funny because I used to do the same
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  Speaker 3: thing when she was on tour and the Reputation Tour
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  Speaker 3: nineteen eight nine.
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  Speaker 2: I went to a bunch of shows.
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  Speaker 3: I just didn't have as much of a social media following,
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  Speaker 3: so I didn't document it as well as I did
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  Speaker 3: during the aerostour. But also, you know, the ariostour was
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  Speaker 3: true like Taylor Mania, the whole world was a swiftie.
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  Speaker 1: I love what you did with the changing of the
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  Speaker 1: font when it came to personal thoughts from different people,
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  Speaker 1: because that really does come across as a journalisque, but
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  Speaker 1: it's from the fan and I love that. And You've
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  Speaker 1: got the feather in there with the ink that inspires
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  Speaker 1: me as a writer that you would do that, because
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  Speaker 1: that means is that you're speaking to those of us
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  Speaker 1: on the opposite side of this book.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, well, thanks for mentioning that. That's one of my
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  Speaker 3: favorite parts of the book. I really wanted it to
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  Speaker 3: not just feel like I was documenting my own experience.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to capture the universal experience of being a Swift. See.
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  Speaker 3: So I found a way to include my followers into
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  Speaker 3: the book.
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  Speaker 2: They had no idea.
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  Speaker 3: I just posted something one day and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: answer these questions if you have time, and I kind
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  Speaker 3: of just pulled the ones that I thought.
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  Speaker 2: Would represent us the most.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember getting teary eyed when I was writing it,
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  Speaker 3: and from the sounds of it, a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: needed their tissues during that chapter, so I'm glad that
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  Speaker 3: one resonated well.
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  Speaker 1: I was very glad to see Billy Joel's name on
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  Speaker 1: this list of fans for Taylor Swift, and the reason
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  Speaker 1: being is because I was listening to an interview with
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  Speaker 1: him several years ago and he says, what's missing from
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  Speaker 1: music are great songwriters. He was telling the Eagles that
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, here comes Taylor Swift.
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  Speaker 1: So to see him on this list of a fan
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  Speaker 1: favorite doesn't shock me at all. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: I love it that he has made it very visible
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  Speaker 1: for other people to say, yeah, she is a great songwriter.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing. I think Taylor is in.
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  Speaker 3: One of her She's in her own league, and so
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  Speaker 3: when people try to compare her to you know, other
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  Speaker 3: pop stars of our generation, I'm like, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that's a fair comparison. I truly think she's in her
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  Speaker 3: own category. And it seems like the legends, Billy Joel,
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  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney, I think every one of them knows it
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  Speaker 3: too now.
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  Speaker 1: But I do want to know though. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: we always talked about how the cultural effect that Taylor
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  Speaker 1: Swift has had. But at the same time, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten to know a lot of the fans of Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're the ones that created the culture. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't just Taylor all by herself. I think the
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  Speaker 1: fans created their own universe.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, but I think it was all obviously Taylor kicked
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  Speaker 3: it off with, you know, wanting to invest time in
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  Speaker 3: meeting fans and doing the easter egging with when releasing
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  Speaker 3: music and in the album booklets. But yeah, we kind
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  Speaker 3: of took it to a whole other level and made
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  Speaker 3: it so that she could never stop doing that because
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  Speaker 3: it became part of our culture.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think we're we are the most.
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  Speaker 3: Influential fan community to date. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you're comparing it, I would compare it to Beatle
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  Speaker 3: beatles Mania, but on steroids because of social media.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course then to see the concerts and
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  Speaker 1: then to see how it comes on to TV. And
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  Speaker 1: I just know inside my heart we're gonna be watching
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  Speaker 1: that video of their wedding. It's gonna be on Hulu
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  Speaker 1: or something. I'm waiting for it patient late. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but how many times do the fans out here have
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  Speaker 1: to wait? Because I mean, this is gonna be huge
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to be all over that. I'm hoping
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  Speaker 1: they put it in IMAX and we can watch it
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  Speaker 1: up there as well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure all the fans would love that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't I'm kind of just hoping
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  Speaker 3: we get wedding photos at this point, how about that?
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  Speaker 1: Huh? Yeah, I would love to see those two because
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  Speaker 1: I just I'm a wedding DJ, so therefore I do
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  Speaker 1: love seeing wedding photos. They make me cry every time.
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  Speaker 1: And even though I'm an old guy, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: I still when I see great wedding photos.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to see that dress.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, not just the dress. Let's come on,
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  Speaker 1: let's get Travis in there as well. I mean, because
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  Speaker 1: come on, they both had the same designer, did they not?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I believe so. I'm sure they both looked great.
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  Speaker 3: I would love to see, you know, Travis Tierry eyed
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  Speaker 3: as she walks down the aisle.
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  Speaker 1: And with the football season starting, you know we're going
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  Speaker 1: to see her up there. And is that the reason
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  Speaker 1: why I watch Kansas City?
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  Speaker 3: Ahu? It is?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I love the Chiefs, but I got to
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  Speaker 1: see what she's doing first.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of agree.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I am a Chiefs fan now, but it
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  Speaker 3: was Taylor who got me there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Where can people go to find out more
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  Speaker 1: about what you're doing? Because this isn't gonna be one
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  Speaker 1: of those books that's gonna sit on a shelf. You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna take it to so many different levels.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing with the book beyond this? And
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  Speaker 1: how can people keep in touch with you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Thank you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you can keep in touch with me on Instagram
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  Speaker 3: at Swift East for Eternity or at Olivia Levin, which
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  Speaker 3: is my personal And yeah, I mean, I hope there's
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  Speaker 3: there's more to come post book, and you can buy
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  Speaker 3: the book wherever wherever you buy your books, whether that
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  Speaker 3: be Amazon, Barnes and Noble, or any other bookstore. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited for more fans to get their hands on.
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  Speaker 1: It, and they need to buy two or three because
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  Speaker 1: the thing about it is though, they're going to want
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: one that they read and then, like all Swifty fans
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: that I've talked with, then you want one that you
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: put in a box and you hang it on the
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: wall in one of those shadow boxes.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: Mean it's a great gift for any Swifty in your life.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, please come back to this show anytime in the future.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: The door is always going to be open for you.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant?
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, you too.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you