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The Bolt Report | 17 July · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Kids is the report?
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson coming up tonight. Treasurer Jim Chalmers blames global
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  Speaker 2: factors for our four year unemployment high. Barnaby Joyce will
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  Speaker 2: give me his view on unemployment and on the Treasurer's
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  Speaker 2: finger pointing. An expensive South Australian sculpture creates controversy. Is
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  Speaker 2: the work of beauty or proof that arts funding should
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  Speaker 2: come with a breathalyzer test? My panel will have fun
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  Speaker 2: with that one. Scientists create a baby with three biological parents.
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  Speaker 2: They're calling it a miracle, but others have ethical concerns,
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  Speaker 2: and a UK court finds that police marching in pride
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  Speaker 2: parades politicize the police force.
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  Speaker 3: Who knew?
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  Speaker 2: Tom Slater joins me from the UK soon, but first.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi has been widely accused of pandering to the Chinese,
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  Speaker 2: so it was entirely fitting that his six day charm
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  Speaker 2: offensive ended where it did with a visit to the
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  Speaker 2: Chengdu Panda Research and Breeding Center. There he reacquainted himself
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  Speaker 2: with Funi, one of the pandas Australia borrowed fifteen years
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  Speaker 2: ago under a deal struck by then Foreign Minister Alexander Downer.
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  Speaker 4: Founi a great ambassador for China and a great friend
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  Speaker 4: of Australia.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how great the friendship is when the
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  Speaker 2: token of that friendship costs taxpayers fifteen thousand dollars a
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  Speaker 2: week to host and you have to give it back
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  Speaker 2: after ten years. But like I said, it's all about pandering,
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  Speaker 2: and no one pandas for pandas better than our panda
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  Speaker 2: loving pandering pm as a reward for labour successfully stabilizing
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  Speaker 2: relations with the regime that parks warships near our coastline
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  Speaker 2: and jails our citizens, We've now been loaned to fresh pandas, or,
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  Speaker 2: as I prefer to call them, a couple of fluffy,
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  Speaker 2: black and white distractions. They'll be ours for the next
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  Speaker 2: ten years and a cool eight million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Dependers who have been such an.
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  Speaker 4: Important positive feature of building the relation.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I've found the past
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  Speaker 2: week quite strange.
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  Speaker 3: Let me see if I can get this straight.
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  Speaker 2: We're preparing for war with China at the exact same
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  Speaker 2: time we're relying on them for economic growth. I'm struggling
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  Speaker 2: to understand how we're meant to square that diplomatic circle.
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  Speaker 2: Our Defense department has been staging wargames preparing for armed
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  Speaker 2: conflict with China at the exact same time our Prime
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  Speaker 2: minister has been schmoozing with China in the hope they'll
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  Speaker 2: buy more of our goods. So forgive me for being
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  Speaker 2: a little confused. But that seems less like a strategy
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  Speaker 2: than a schizophrenic fantasy, albeit with a trade surplus. On
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  Speaker 2: the one hand, Defense Minister Richard Marles says this.
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  Speaker 3: There is escalet.
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  Speaker 1: China's conventional military build up is the most significant military
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  Speaker 1: build up that we have seen conventional military build up
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  Speaker 1: that we have seen since the end of the Second
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  Speaker 1: World War.
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  Speaker 2: That's a diplomatic way of saying we might have to
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  Speaker 2: shoot back if Beijing gets frisky. But on the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: here's Albinizi leading a smiling business delegation through Beijing like
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  Speaker 2: he's auditioning for a travel brochure, trying to flog more
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  Speaker 2: steel to the very regime we're arming ourselves against. It's
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  Speaker 2: like trying to build a lifeboat out of TNT while
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  Speaker 2: handing the blueprint to the guy lighting the fuse. And
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  Speaker 2: yet the Prime Minister's trip to China this week has
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  Speaker 2: been billed as a diplomatic success. And why well, because
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  Speaker 2: no journalists were arrested and no Virgin Airline pilots have
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  Speaker 2: reported live firing exercises off our coast while Elbow's been away. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: the adf well, they're pivoting north, ordering new missile system,
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  Speaker 2: working on new nuclear subs maybe, and conducting joint exercises
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  Speaker 2: with the United States just in case we have to
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  Speaker 2: fight the very same country. The PM has been busy
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  Speaker 2: selling our raw materials. To imagine the cabinet meeting where
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  Speaker 2: all of this is mapped out right. So China is
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  Speaker 2: a threat but also a client, So let's sell them
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  Speaker 2: the steel to build the navy that we all suspect
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  Speaker 2: might soon be attacking us. Sound good? Honestly, let's be
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  Speaker 2: brutal here. Australia has all the geopolitical coherence of a
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  Speaker 2: wok left on high heat, but with nothing in it.
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  Speaker 2: All sizzle, no stir fry. It would be one thing
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  Speaker 2: if our government admitted to this tightrope act fraught with risk,
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  Speaker 2: But no, they speak as though this is all perfectly sensible.
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  Speaker 4: Will cooperate where we can disagree where we must, as
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  Speaker 4: if relying on China economically while arming ourselves against them
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  Speaker 4: militarily is not just rational.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, it's nuanced. That's Canberra speak for we hope
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  Speaker 2: no one notices. This makes absolutely no sense. But it
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  Speaker 2: gets worse. The same government that's preparing us for possible
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  Speaker 2: conflict with Beijing is simultaneously strangling the fossil fuel industry
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  Speaker 2: that underpins our defense manufacturing capability. Because nothing says we're
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  Speaker 2: ready to face China like an electric tank powered by
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  Speaker 2: Chinese solar panels that they stopped supplying when the bullets
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  Speaker 2: started flying. This isn't strategy, it's not even diplomacy. It's
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  Speaker 2: a delusion wrapped in a panda suit. The Albanezy government
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  Speaker 2: says we need sovereign capability, but we've outsourced our economy
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  Speaker 2: to a one party state that doesn't believe in sovereignty.
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  Speaker 3: Well unless it's theirs.
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  Speaker 2: And when you point all of this out, where you're
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  Speaker 2: accused of racism or economic.
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  Speaker 3: Ignorance, because apparently national security is a hate speech.
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  Speaker 2: Now even the PM sounded defensive. We're mentioning we need
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  Speaker 2: a defense force.
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  Speaker 3: We need a.
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  Speaker 4: Defense force, and we make no apologies for investing in
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  Speaker 4: our capability to give Australia the defense and security assets
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  Speaker 4: that we need.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister, they have to say, I make no
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  Speaker 2: apologies for the fact we need to defend ourselves honestly.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll ask the question no one in cabinet seems
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  Speaker 2: brave enough to raise. Can someone please explain how preparing
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  Speaker 2: for war with China while relying on China to fund
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  Speaker 2: our country isn't a suicidal contradiction. If we still believe
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  Speaker 2: national security is more than a buzzword, then it's time
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  Speaker 2: to face facts. You can't defend a country you've already sold.
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  Speaker 2: You certainly can't win a war that you've funded with
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  Speaker 2: your own exports. So Anthony Albinezi ended his China odyssey
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  Speaker 2: by visiting a panda. But the real bear in the
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  Speaker 2: room is the foreign policy madness is bringing home with him. Well,
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  Speaker 2: while our Prime minister is posing for photo opposite pandriinclosures,
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  Speaker 2: the people of Taiwan were preparing to take part in
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  Speaker 2: the island's largest ever civil defense drills. They take Beijing
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  Speaker 2: seriously even if we don't, and they're also serious.
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  Speaker 3: About defense even if we're not.
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  Speaker 2: For more on this, I'm joined by Strategic Analysis Australia
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  Speaker 2: director Michael Schubridge. Michael, thanks for joining me tonight. The
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  Speaker 2: Taiwanese preparing to fend off a Chinese invasion the day
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  Speaker 2: after our PM was in Beijing, enthusing that Jijingping had
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  Speaker 2: the band play Paul Kelly covers just highlights the absurdity
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  Speaker 2: of the past week.
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  Speaker 3: Does it not well?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, James. And it's an ugly dose of reality, isn't it.
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  Speaker 6: And you mentioned the major military exercises that we're conducting
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  Speaker 6: with eighteen other nations here in Australia to deter China
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  Speaker 6: from war.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about you.
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  Speaker 6: I've found the footage of mister Albanese and everything he's
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  Speaker 6: said like watching an excited schoolboy on a magical holiday.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he was gushing as his Communist Party handlers
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  Speaker 6: took him around, and gushing about Chinese history and pandas
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  Speaker 6: and the wonders of what he was seeing, like he
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  Speaker 6: was in a theme park called China. He didn't seem
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  Speaker 6: to notice that he was being stage managed by the
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  Speaker 6: Chinese Communist Party and his handlers. He didn't even seem
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  Speaker 6: to notice that he was visiting a highly repressive one
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  Speaker 6: party authoritarian police state called China. He spent a lot
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  Speaker 6: of his time talking about a political party, the Australian
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  Speaker 6: Labor Party, and he was acting as if he was
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  Speaker 6: representing the fifty or sixty thousand Labor Party members rather
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  Speaker 6: than twenty seven million Australians. I found that odd. But
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  Speaker 6: he seemed dimly aware that he was in the hands
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  Speaker 6: of an authoritarian outfit who has an internal security arm
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  Speaker 6: called the People's Armed Police that is larger and almost
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  Speaker 6: as heavily armed as the Chinese military. Because Shijingping and
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  Speaker 6: Premier Lee, the two people he gushed about having so
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  Speaker 6: much respect for, need that giant internal security force to
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  Speaker 6: control the Chinese people.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: He also seemed unaware that he was being managed by
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  Speaker 2: the Chinese media as well, because while Taiwan prepares for
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  Speaker 2: the possibility of an invasion, Chinese state media were reporting
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  Speaker 2: a readout of the meeting between Prime Minister Albanesi and
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  Speaker 2: President Xi stating that Albanesi had assured Jijingping that Australia
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  Speaker 2: does not support Taiwan's independence, a claim that Anthony Albanesi denies.
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  Speaker 3: You're trying to.
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  Speaker 4: Quote a Chinese readout that I haven't seen.
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  Speaker 3: What we do what we do.
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  Speaker 4: What we do has continue to support a one China policy.
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  Speaker 2: We support the status quo by definition.
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  Speaker 4: We don't support any unilateral action.
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  Speaker 3: On Taiwan. That's been in our position for a long
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  Speaker 3: period of time.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, the fact that he immediately to clarify what he'd
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  Speaker 2: said straight after a meeting. Are the Chinese media verbaling
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  Speaker 2: our PM or is our PM just a very poor communicator.
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  Speaker 6: It's a bit of both. I think James, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you could hear him stumble through his lines there. At
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  Speaker 6: least he manages to say we have a one China policy.
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  Speaker 6: What he should have said is China's one China policy
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  Speaker 6: is quite different to ours. We have never recognized China's
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  Speaker 6: sovereignty over Taiwan. We've just acknowledged that they think they have.
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  Speaker 6: That he could maybe have said, and we don't want
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  Speaker 6: a war over Taiwan. In fact, we're part of trying
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  Speaker 6: to tour a war of itsawan. So yes, he's being manipulated,
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  Speaker 6: but he doesn't even seem to be aware of that.
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  Speaker 2: While Anthony Albanezi is all over the shop, the Israelis
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  Speaker 2: seem pretty sure about what needs to be done in
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  Speaker 2: their region, and I suppose living in the neighborhood surrounded
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  Speaker 2: by people who want to kill you would tend to
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  Speaker 2: sharpen your focus. The IDF has struck Syria's military headquarters
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  Speaker 2: in the capital of Damascus.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look. Here's the moment it went down. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the United.
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  Speaker 2: States says specific steps quote unquote have been agreed to
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  Speaker 2: end violence in Syria. Secretary of State Marco Rubio had
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  Speaker 2: this to say.
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  Speaker 7: These are historic, longtime rivalries between different groups in the
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  Speaker 7: south west of Syria, Bedouins, the Druz community, and it
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  Speaker 7: led to an unfortunate situation and a misunderstanding it looks
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  Speaker 7: like between the Israeli side and the Syrian side.
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  Speaker 5: So we've been engaging.
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  Speaker 7: Them all morning long and all night long with both sides,
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  Speaker 7: and we think we're on our way towards a real
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  Speaker 7: v escalation.
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  Speaker 2: So Michael, just explain to us, why did Israel target Syria.
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  Speaker 6: Well, everyone seems to think that the HTS takeover of
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  Speaker 6: Syria under President al Sharra has led to total peace
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  Speaker 6: and happiness in the country, the war torn country called Syria.
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  Speaker 7: It hasn't.
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  Speaker 6: There's still an enormous amount of communal violence and the
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  Speaker 6: HTS forces that are now. The government forces are still
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  Speaker 6: a part of that. So the Druze community lives on
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  Speaker 6: the border with Israel, partly in the Golden Heights controlled
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  Speaker 6: by Israel and partly in Syria. There was an outbreak
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  Speaker 6: of violence between Bedouins and the Drus and then the
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  Speaker 6: Syrian government forces took the side of the Bedouins against
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  Speaker 6: the Drus. So the Israelis have intervened to show the
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  Speaker 6: Syrian government actually they don't have a choice but to
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  Speaker 6: recognize Israeli military dominance and call off their violence against
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  Speaker 6: the Drews.
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  Speaker 2: So Israel are effectively protecting a minority, and yet they
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  Speaker 2: get zero thanks or acknowledgment from anyone in the world,
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  Speaker 2: including the United Nations. Meanwhile, the Israelis are still trying
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  Speaker 2: to rescue hostages taken six hundred and forty nine days
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  Speaker 2: ago by Hamas terrorists. Donald Trump has announced what he
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  Speaker 2: says is good news regarding the Gaza ceasefire talks that
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  Speaker 2: may result in at least some of the remaining hostages
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  Speaker 2: being rescued.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 8: We have some good news on Gaza, and good news
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  Speaker 8: on a couple of things that were working on at
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  Speaker 8: a very high.
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  Speaker 2: Level Michael, what are the terms of the latest cease
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  Speaker 2: fire deal if it can be agreed to?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think there has been some progress. It looks
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  Speaker 6: like the Israelis and Hamas have agreed to some of
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  Speaker 6: the detail around what the Israeli defense force withdrawal will
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  Speaker 6: look like. While they'll keep eight presents there. It looks
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  Speaker 6: like they've given up on a major corridor they had
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  Speaker 6: Neil near Rufa, and it looks like ten live and
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  Speaker 6: eighteen deceased hostages may be released over a sixty day period.
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  Speaker 6: I really doubt though, that they are on track to
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  Speaker 6: have a final end of the war because Hamas and
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  Speaker 6: the Israeli government's terms are too far apart.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course, you know, the war could end
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  Speaker 2: today if Hamas simply gave back all the hostages and surrendered.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not going to happen anytime soon. Russia has
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  Speaker 2: issued a warning to the United States, claiming its nuclear
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  Speaker 2: doctrine remains in effect. This is just days after Trump
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  Speaker 2: announced that America and NATO would supply advanced weapons to Ukraine.
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  Speaker 2: When Russia talk about their nuclear doctrine remaining in effect,
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  Speaker 2: what does that mean and is this a threat that
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  Speaker 2: Trump and indeed NATO should take seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 6: Putin has made this same threat repeatedly during his war
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  Speaker 6: against Ukraine, and the Russian nuclear doctrine says if there's
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  Speaker 6: an existential threat to Russia by armed attack, whether it's
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  Speaker 6: conventional or nuclear, then they may use nuclear weapons. And
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  Speaker 6: it also says if a nuclear armed partner joins someone
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  Speaker 6: they're in conflict with, then they have a think about
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  Speaker 6: the role of nuclear weapons.
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  Speaker 3: I think this is really a.
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  Speaker 6: Signal from Potin that he's worried by the renewed American
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  Speaker 6: supply of weaponry to Ukraine, and I think anything that
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  Speaker 6: puts pressure on Putin is a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's certainly a lot happening around the world, Michael Shubridge,
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  Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time to explain some of it
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  Speaker 2: for us.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much.
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  Speaker 2: We'll stick around coming up after the break. The expensive
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  Speaker 2: artwork causing a stir among locals in South Australia. It's
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  Speaker 2: what they're calling the Blue Blob, but is at worth
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  Speaker 2: one hundred.
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  Speaker 3: And thirty six thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: That story with my panel later, plus our unemployment rate
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  Speaker 2: jumps to a four year high as labor fails to
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  Speaker 2: deliver on its one point two million new homes. Promise,
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  Speaker 2: strap yourself in Barnaby. Joyce is pretty fired up and
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  Speaker 2: he's up next. Welcome back to the program. The latest
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  Speaker 2: unemployment figures out today have painted a grim picture of
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  Speaker 2: the state of our economy, with the jobless rate rising.
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  Speaker 3: To a four year high.
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  Speaker 2: According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, unemployment for June
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  Speaker 2: rose to four point three percent. Now Treasurer Jim Chalmers
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  Speaker 2: responded to the bad news as you would expect him to.
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  Speaker 2: He blamed global factors, saying today's uptick in the unemployment
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  Speaker 2: rate is the inevitable consequence of economic uncertainty and volatility
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  Speaker 2: around the world and the ongoing impact of higher interest rates. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: Employment Minister Amanda Rishworth well she was less concerned with
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  Speaker 2: those now unemployed than with seizing an opportunity to tut
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  Speaker 2: tut the Reserve Bank.
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  Speaker 9: The Reserve Bank is independent and they've outlined their reasons
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  Speaker 9: for keeping rates on hold. It was obviously a great
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  Speaker 9: disappointment to many Australians that decision, but of course the
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  Speaker 9: Reserve Bank will meet again and will consider not only
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  Speaker 9: the inflation data but also this employment data as well.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now is National's MP barnb Joyce Barnaby. Unemployment
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  Speaker 2: at a four year high. But of course it's nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do with the labor government. It's global factors and
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  Speaker 2: of course the RBA, they could have drop rates.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 8: First of all, the RBA is independent, so the IBA
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  Speaker 8: has a vasting more information before it's James and you
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  Speaker 8: and I there behas they can do with an assessment
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  Speaker 8: of vast and more competent form than we could. But
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  Speaker 8: what we also see is this invidious position under the
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  Speaker 8: madness of net zero. We are forcing up the price
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  Speaker 8: of electricity, forcing up the cost of the energy inputs,
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  Speaker 8: which of course is still having an inflatory aspect on
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  Speaker 8: the price of goods. Price grows with trees. And at
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  Speaker 8: the same time, James, it's making businesses unviable. We have
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  Speaker 8: deindustrialized this nation. We have lost our plastics industry, we
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  Speaker 8: have lost our well without two last refineries, a fertilizer industry.
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  Speaker 8: I just said the other day, industrial glass some men's
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  Speaker 8: basically on the way out. Tom Ego is asking for
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  Speaker 8: multiple billion dollars of subsidies. Otherwise our aluminium industry is gone.
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  Speaker 8: We are really doing our very best to really do
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  Speaker 8: to our nation, and we do it under the guys
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  Speaker 8: that apparently on a solo crusade, Australia is going to
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  Speaker 8: change the temperature. Chris Bowen, the magic magician, is going
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  Speaker 8: to change the temperature. He's going to stop the droughts,
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  Speaker 8: to stop the cyclones and stop the frosts and warm
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  Speaker 8: things up or cool things down because he's a genius
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  Speaker 8: and can do it from a dispatch box in Canberra.
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  Speaker 8: Even though the United States is not part of it,
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  Speaker 8: China's not part of it, India is not part of it,
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  Speaker 8: Russia is not part of it, Indonesia not part of it,
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  Speaker 8: Brazil is not part of it, most of Southeast Asia
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  Speaker 8: is not part of an. Africa's probably not part of it,
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  Speaker 8: not in an effective form. And England wants to get
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  Speaker 8: out of it if they change governments. And unsurprisingly, in
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  Speaker 8: this de industrialization and this gutting of our economy by
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  Speaker 8: this insane policy, we now start to see the ramifications
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  Speaker 8: not only in inflation but in unemployment.
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  Speaker 5: What a genius policy net zero.
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  Speaker 3: Is It's turning out really really well.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it seems tech giant Meta, they of course run Facebook,
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  Speaker 2: wants more access to our data what could possibly go wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg's company has told the Prime Minister not to
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  Speaker 2: make overly broad changes to privacy laws because they're afraid
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  Speaker 2: it will curtail the company's attempts to train AI bots.
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  Speaker 3: To mimic human beings.
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  Speaker 2: Barnaby, do we want companies like Meta having more access
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  Speaker 2: to our data so they can better train AI models?
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: And we've had good reports about lately Jones about exactly
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: what AI intends to do.
• 20:31
  Speaker 8: See all those jobs in the industrial sector, Well, they've
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: gone because of net zero, or they're going because of
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: net zero because of this mad idea that we can
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: change temperature of the globe by shutting down our cofire powerstations.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: And what's left our service jobs. And guess what.
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: AI can do incredibly well, your service jobs, accountants and solicitors,
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: any person who works behind a computer screen.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: AI can do your job.
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: And so I don't know whether you want to know
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: more about you because AI, it's just the way the
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: world's going.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: It's going to take.
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: You out and you will be unemployed, and that four
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: point three will get traumatically higher because it's fastly cheaper
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: to employ a computer than employer person.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: But you know, this is this is the way it's going.
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: Mark Zuckerberg will make billions and billions and billions of.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Dollars out of AI.
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: So, of course, once all the information can get But you,
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: dear listeners, you if you're in a service job, if
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: you're in a white collar job, you might be for
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: the scrap heap.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: Sorry about that, but it's in the paper. Gover read.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Well, Barnaby, I might not be able to afford electricity,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: and i might not have a job, but at least
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I'll have a home right or we'll hang on. A second,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: secret advice from Treasury warn the government they were not
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: going to meet their promise to build one point two
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: million homes over five years. In surprise surprise, figures released
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: by the ABS today confirm that warning. Just twenty seven thousand,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty three new homes built in the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: March Quarter, well below what is necessary to reach the
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: government's target.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Barnaby. Jim Chalmers said the other day he's pretty relaxed.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Quote unquote about the Treasury's warning dreck and families that
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: can't find a house, or as relaxed as Jim Charmers
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: about these figures.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: And the immigration is still pouring into Australia, and I
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: think he's going to be writing something about that that
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: people are.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Still pouring in.
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: And how do you expect to fix a housing crisis
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: when you stick to all the regulations that put up
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: the price of houses.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: I'd give huts to the in.
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: His South Wales government, they are trying to do a
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: streamlining of some of this, so Laurel's you well done,
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: But the government sticks with alld's regulations and with environmental laws.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: We're not allowed to open up forests fore timber.
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: We've got some of the highest electricity prices because the
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: net zero, so any of your componentary and the things
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: that go into houses are excessively dear because of our
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: excessive the high price of energy.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: This is we're not.
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: Fixing the housing prices just by reason of government saying, oh,
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: we're going to fix it. You actually have to do
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: something about it. You actually have to say these regulations
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: have to go. We are going to get rid of
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: so many environmental regulations. I'll give you a classic one, James,
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: that I've.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: Been bringing up lately in Denman. We want well, you
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: don't know where Denmon and it's near Muscle Book. If
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: we don't know where muscle book is. It's in the
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: Hunter Valley.
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: An age care facility wanted to build an extension of
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: their facility. People go to age care and to retirement
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: villages and then therefore leave the house and make their
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: house bacan.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: For other people to use. But in ten acres of
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: a vacant paddock, a vacant paddock.
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: A couple of trees, three point five million dollars they
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: have to pay for carbon offsets, and of course there's
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: three point five million dollars worth of reasons why they
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: can't do it, and therefore the houses of people who
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: would be going into a retirement is obviously those units.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Won't be there.
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: They won't leave their houses, and in a microcosm, that's
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: an example of how regulations bring about housing crisis.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: All right, so let's go through this barnaby. We can't
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: afford electricity, we don't have a job, we've got nowhere
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to live, and we don't have much to defend our country.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But we do at least have panda bears. Anthony Elbanisi
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: met up with an old.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Friend in China.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Funi, the giant panda that lived to Adelaide Zoo for
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: fifteen years, and the good news is we're getting two more. Barnaby,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: what did you make of the PM's final day in China,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: cuddling up to the pandas.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: Look God, I was embarrassed to be, honesty a Prime
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: Minister for Australia. When later on you might show the
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: clip of in that waiting room, standing there waiting like
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: indifference to go and see the new emperor. He walks
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: into the room after being ordered in by a young
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: lady and then he almost bows, must bow, you know,
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: And this is the new symbolism of where Australian China is.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: We're sort of morphing into the vassal state on a
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: political form and he's you know. And people said, well,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: what else should he have done? This is what he
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: should have done. He should have met the President of
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: the United States.
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: That's what he should have done, because by ourselves we
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: are completely and utterly with our throat to the wolf.
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: We have God to understand. I was having an interview
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: earlier on they said, we're back to normal relations. Well,
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: this is what normal relations looks like. It looks like
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: a Chinese military for teller going around Australia.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: Doing live fire, live fire exercise to practice.
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: I imagine an attack on Sydney, off the coast of
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: Sydney and then circumnavigating Australia. Is this the normal China
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: Australia relationship that we are now welcoming into existence? And
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: at the same time, what do we get for it?
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: We get to see a panda bear? Well, isn't that marvels.
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: It's not even a panda bear that's coming here. It's
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: panda bear that's say there.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: It's a very strange time in our country. Barbaby Joyce,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining me tonight. Well coming up, The secret
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: scheme that moved twenty four thousand Afghans to the UK
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: has been revealed. Spike Online's Tom Slater has the detail
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: shortly plus the real reason why the Democrats lost the
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: last election. That revelation from the ever reliable Hunter Biden.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: You won't want to miss that. That's coming up in
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: just a moment. Hunter Biden, Australia America's most inexplicably employed
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: oil consultant and part time laptop enthusiast, has emerged from
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the shadows of rehab and courtroom drama to offer his
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: political wisdom on an upcoming podcast.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Hunter blames the democrats twenty twenty four.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Election defeat, not on inflation or immigration chaos, or his
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: father's repeated mistakes where he mistook reporters for house plants. No,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: it was disloyalty. According to excerpts of the podcast, which
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: is yet to be released, he said, and I quote,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: we lost the last election because we did not remain
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: loyal to the leader of the party.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: That's my position.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: We had the advantage of incumbency, we had the advantage
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: of an incredibly successful administration, and the Democratic Party literally
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: melted down.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Apparently the democrats fatal flaw wasn't Joe Biden's inability to
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: string a sentence together. It was the fact that his
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: colleagues didn't clap hard enough when he did. To discuss
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: this and the rest of the day's top stories, I'm
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: joined by my panel skynyw, his host Caroline Derusso, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Skyney's contributor Evelyn Ray. Caroline, do you think it was
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: the disloyalty or the fact that Joe Biden was senile?
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: Well, and that was the point that I was exactly
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: going to make. It wasn't a lack of loyalty. It
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: was a lack of cognitive ability, which I think got
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: him in the end. But if you want to talk
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: about disloyalty, what about the disloyalty of the Biden family
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: to the Democratic Party.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I mean the fact that it was.
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: So obvious to so many people for so long that
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: he wasn't fit to be the president of the United States,
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: and everyone kept pretending, including those very close to the
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: Biden family and in the Biden family. Because if he
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: had have said much earlier that he wasn't going to run,
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: and they could have held proper primary and all of
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: that sort of thing, rather than you know, put Kamala
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: Harrison last minute to run off.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: You go love, You'll be fine.
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: It could potentially have been a different result. Do I
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: think it would have necessarily been a different result, No,
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: but they would have had a much better chance and
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: much better use of that incumbency. But personal interest trump loyalty.
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: To the party. So that's actually on the Bidens.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Well Evelin.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Speaking of loyalty, President Joe Biden gave his son Hunter
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a sweeping pardon for an eleven year period. So no
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: wonder Hunter wants to talk about loyalty.
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, I mean, let's talk about some of the
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: real reasons that you know, the Democratic Party probably lost.
• 29:11
  Speaker 12: I mean, we obviously know it's easier at this point
• 29:14
  Speaker 12: in time for them to manufacture all these made up
• 29:16
  Speaker 12: delusions because it's easier than facing reality. But reality is
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: that under Biden had the highest inflation rate, it had
• 29:24
  Speaker 12: the most unemployment in like fifty three years, It had
• 29:27
  Speaker 12: the Afghanistan withdrawal, It had the immigration surge over five
• 29:30
  Speaker 12: billion that we know of have gone in. Not to
• 29:33
  Speaker 12: mention like what you guys have already said about he
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: practically looked like he had dementia for most of it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: And dare I say one of the biggest reasons which
• 29:42
  Speaker 12: Hunter should probably pay very close attention to for losing
• 29:46
  Speaker 12: the election is because he was the president's son. Yes,
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: I dare say that Hunter probably lost his father quite
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: a number of votes. But like we've all said, I mean,
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: can we really like have an honest word out of
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: anybody from the Biden family at this point in time,
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: They're just going to keep living in delusion and they're
• 30:05
  Speaker 12: going to keep losing because they're losers.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of delusion, let's go to Los Angeles where
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Lefty mayor Karen Bass is celebrating as two thousand National
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Guard troops begin leaving the city following the riots.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Have listened to what she said about that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 13: We've been notified that two thousand troops are leaving, they
• 30:26
  Speaker 13: are retreating. We stood strong, We peacefully protested, We demanded
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: that the troops were not needed here, and we won.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Carol, can you explain to me how she defeated Trump's troops.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: They're retreating apparently a great win for California.
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: She's a shaka.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: She's a shoka.
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: I mean, let's remember she was hot nobbing in Ghana
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: when the city started burning, and then you know, had
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: had to fly back from her party over in Africa
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: to actually do her job. And we all remember what
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: a terrible tragedy and what seems to be just a
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: terrible dereliction of duty in relation to what happened with
• 31:09
  Speaker 10: the fires. And frankly, her performance in the recent La
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: riots was not much better. They're not retreating. The riots
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: have just finished and everyone is going home. And they
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: wouldn't have had to have gone there in the first
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: place if she had have done her job properly, had
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: have maintained law and order and not let these riots
• 31:28
  Speaker 10: get out of control. So excellent framing for a very
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: politically expedient narrative, but.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Total rubbish all right.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Mount Gambia has officially unveiled its newest tourist attraction, a
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty six thousand dollars bright blue lump
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: of taxpayer funded confusion, affectionately or not dubbed the blue Blob.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: According to Council Spin, this oversized smurf sneeze is a
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: mythical marsupial megafauna, apparently to the region's ancient history. But
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: according to everyone else, it's proof that art's funding should
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: come with a breathalyzer test. The artwork is meant to
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: reflect the famed Blue Lake, it mostly reflects a lack
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: of taste, direction, and budget restraint. Still, Melannette Martin insists
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: it'll become a cultural landmark, which it probably will right
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: after people stop laughing and start asking for refunds. Evylyn,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: what do you think this expensive art work will do
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: for the great town of Mount Gambia.
• 32:29
  Speaker 12: Oh, I was probably going to make a good few
• 32:32
  Speaker 12: photos and hashtags on social media, where like we said,
• 32:35
  Speaker 12: people are probably going to go and make fun of
• 32:37
  Speaker 12: the giant, big blue blob. But look, I think one
• 32:40
  Speaker 12: of the best ways to know the success of a
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: culture is through what it deems as art. And I
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: think two of the first things that go when you
• 32:50
  Speaker 12: have a degenerate culture is truth and is beauty and
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: art is one of the biggest casualties of the current
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: culture war that we're in.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: You know, we live in.
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: Such a godless, degenerate culture, and I think that's reflected
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: in our art. It's reflected in our architecture, it's reflected
• 33:08
  Speaker 12: in our fashion. It's part why so many of us
• 33:11
  Speaker 12: have this nostalgic longing for old times. We desire the
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: old buildings, the old dresses and shoes, and you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 12: the old artworks that we could actually look upon and
• 33:21
  Speaker 12: gaze at beauty and truth for hours, you know. And
• 33:25
  Speaker 12: I just think that we truly long for a culture
• 33:28
  Speaker 12: that thrives in truth, that thrives in beauty, that points
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: to Christ again. You know, giant blue blobs, they don't
• 33:37
  Speaker 12: pull at that burning desire that we have. They stand
• 33:41
  Speaker 12: as a constant reminder of the ugly culture that we
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: currently live in. It's very sad. It's funny and sad
• 33:48
  Speaker 12: all at the same time.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: And of course they'll tear down the Captain Cook statues
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: and leave the Blue Blob perfectly alone. A rock from
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Mars has just sold at Southeby's for six point five
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: million Australian dollars. The twenty four and a half kilogram
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: rock was part of a meteorite that landed in Africa
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, and it's seventy percent larger than
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the next biggest Mars souvenir ever found. Now, all that
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: sounds impressive until you realize it's really just a glorified
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: paperweight from outer space. The buyer who paid, as I said,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: just over six million Australian dollars, remains anonymous. But Caroline,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: let's be honest, it's probably someone already living on another planet.
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: Well, it's an awful lot of money. Whoever bought that
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: is definitely not suffering a cost of living crisis, that's
• 34:37
  Speaker 10: for sure. And of course, you know, you look at
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: whatever the amount is and then remember that there is
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: going to be a bias premium, and no doubt some
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: VAT or GST on top of that. So and I've
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: wording some of money. Apparently there's about four hundred you know,
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: parts of asteroids or the Martian asteroids in and around
• 34:59
  Speaker 10: collect and museums and whatever around the world's I'm just
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: trying to wonder whether that the price and the exclusivity
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: are really marrying up here. But you know, I do
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: take your point. It is easy on another planet. But
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: then again, I still think that that rock is better
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: than the blue blob from the last story. So you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: it's all relative, I suppose.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Mate, fair point.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Well, my dad's having his eightieth birthday next year, So
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: what do you get the man who's got everything.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll get one of those four hundred pieces of
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Mars rock that are available, just quickly before we go
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: to a break. There's concerns that international students studying early
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: childhood education are cutting corners when it comes to their study.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: The Daily Telegraph has revealed that students are forking out
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: thousands of dollars to contract cheating services. That's people who
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: write their assignments for them, Evelyn. This would have an
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: impact on the standard of care once they hit the workforce,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: you'd think. And this set a time when there are
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: already so many concerns and question marks over the childcare system.
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: Cheating has always been a part of education. I mean,
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: let's be real, there were very creative ways back in
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: the day. I feel really old saying this that you
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: would cheat. But I think the problem that we now
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: have and what we're faced with is just the rapid
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: increase of it. And I think it's because of the Internet,
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: is because of AI, and it's just so readily available, accessible,
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: and it's easy getting easier to hide, and like you said,
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: I think, you know, we're going to start to see
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: the consequences of that. MIT have actually just released a
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: study on brains and brain activity from the use of AI,
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: and it shows that it does permanent damage when it's
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: not used correctly. It shows that you lose in some
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: of the participants that they did these brain scans up
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: to forty seven percent of brain connectivity and these are
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: things that are irreversible, and it's just truly terrifying. I
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: think that we have had the guinea pig generation of
• 36:59
  Speaker 12: you know, social media, of internet access, and I think
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: the most important thing that we can do as a
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: society is learned from this and not make the same horrors,
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: because like you said, this will manifest into really important
• 37:12
  Speaker 12: places like childcare and other places like who knows where
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: it could go, medicine, things that will have real practical
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: ramifications on us, so.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: We've got to be very careful.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Yep, you're quite right, Caroline Evelyn.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight. It's always a pleasure. Well
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: still to come.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: UK taxpayers foot the bill for twenty four thousand Afghans
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: who were secretly moved to Britain because of a data
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: leak by the government.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Will explain that in just a moment. Stick around.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Well up to twenty four thousand Afghans have moved to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: the UK under a secret scheme that was set up
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: after a British official accidentally linked their data. Let's break
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: this down with Spiked Online editor Tom Slater live from London. Tom,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: this is making headlines right across the UK. It's a
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: massive bungle. Can you take us through the details and
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: explain what exactly has gone on?
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: No, absolutely, I mean this is a scandal of huge
• 38:12
  Speaker 11: proportions and there's just so many layers to it. First
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: of all, you have the data breach itself, twenty four
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: thousand roughly speaking Afghans and their families, predominantly people who
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: were serving in the Afghan Army supporting British forces during
• 38:24
  Speaker 11: the occupation. They had their information leaked to Royal Marine
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: accidentally sent this spreadsheet to someone. It then found its
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: way onto the Internet. The Taliban have been quoted officials
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: who have been quoted saying that they're effectively handed a
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: hit list via this breach. You then have this superinjunction
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: which is used to stop the press from reporting on it,
• 38:45
  Speaker 11: to stop this from coming out. Unprecedented in British political
• 38:48
  Speaker 11: history for this to be used to cover up the
• 38:50
  Speaker 11: government's own deeds. And then you also have this secretive plan,
• 38:54
  Speaker 11: this secretive operation to bring as many of these people
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: as possible to Britain, to settle them without any consultation
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: with the public. There's Emison reporting now that it's almost
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: certainly was a contributing factor. The fact that these people
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: just appeared out of nowhere and were dumped on various
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: quite impoverished communities in the UK may well have been
• 39:12
  Speaker 11: a contributing factor to that horrendous unrest we saw last summer.
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: So from the bungle itself, as you say, putting thousands
• 39:20
  Speaker 11: of people's lives at risk, through to this secrecy that
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: the government has shown, through to just the completely undemocratic
• 39:26
  Speaker 11: nature in which these arrivals, many of whom we do
• 39:29
  Speaker 11: owe a debt of gratitude to, But surely you have
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: to consult the public from top to bottom. I think
• 39:34
  Speaker 11: it just shows how rotten the British state has become in.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: So many respects.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: You're right, there's a lot of layers to it, and
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: it's just an incredible scandal that I think has still
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: got a fair bit more to play out yet. Absolutely,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: the effectiveness of so called deradicalization programs. We've heard a
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: lot about those, but their effectiveness has been calling to
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: question after it was revealed the man who stabbed Tory
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: MP Sir David MS twenty two times, killing him. That
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: was a number of years ago, but the killer had
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: been described as quote unquote a great person by a
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: police counter terrorism official during a risk assessment.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Prior to the killing.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: The killer had been referred to the government's anti extremist
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: program seven years before the Islamic State fanatic stabbed David
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: AMSS in twenty twenty one. Tom as I said, this
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: really does call into question these deradicalization programs, doesn't it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: When someone who's been associated with it has been given
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: a glowing recommendation and then goes on in broad daylight
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to stab to death a member of parliament.
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: Now it shows that this story is even worse than
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: we thought. I mean, when David Amos was murdered by
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: this Islamist terrorist back in twenty twenty one, it became
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: clear pretty quickly that he had been known to the authorities,
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: as we saw often here after one of these killings,
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: that he had been referred to prevent that it had
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: lost touch with him about six years previously. But the
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: fact that actually it was essentially given a ringing endorsement
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: from the person who was meeting with him, from the
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: person who was assessing him, I think it just shows
• 41:05
  Speaker 11: the dysfunction of this anti radicalization scheme, the wilful naivety
• 41:09
  Speaker 11: of many people who work within it. I mean, in
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: his post murder interviews and interrogations Ali Harvey Ali openly
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: admitted that he deceived the people who were trying to
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: deradicalize him. Is would that not be obvious to anyone
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: who works in that space that maybe someone who is
• 41:25
  Speaker 11: attracted to an ideology that hates everything about this country,
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: that hates everything about Western civilization, might not be telling
• 41:31
  Speaker 11: you the whole truth. I would have thought that was obvious,
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: but apparently not. And just finally, it's worth saying that
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: preventers become so dysfunctional that Islamism is the primary terror
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: threat that we face in this country. By country mile,
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: it's about ninety five percent of all the terror murders
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: we've had over the past twenty five years where Islamist motivated.
• 41:46
  Speaker 11: If you look at who are being referred to prevent
• 41:48
  Speaker 11: at the moment, it's something like thirteen percent of being
• 41:51
  Speaker 11: referred to for Islamist extremism. It's now in fourth place,
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: behind right wing extremism and other forms of non ideological terror.
• 41:59
  Speaker 11: Think what we're seeing here is that this isn't This
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: is a real issue from the throughout that are supposed
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: deradicalization services, which they're not. They don't seem to be
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: catching or taking seriously the primary threat that we face.
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: And David and Amos and many other people have had
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: to bear the brunt of that horrendous mishap.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom, we don't often do this to you, but
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: you are so good. I'm going to put you to
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: the test a question without notice because there's some breaking
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: news from the UK that the voting age is going
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: to be lowered to sixteen by the next election.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to get your thoughts on that.
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: I mean, this is something that labor have been talking
• 42:38
  Speaker 11: about for some time for the obvious reasons that they
• 42:41
  Speaker 11: think it will help them electorally. Generally speaking, there's this
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: assumption that younger voters tend to skew left. It's something
• 42:48
  Speaker 11: which has already been trialed in Scotland and elsewhere. But
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: I think it just makes a mockery of the franchise.
• 42:53
  Speaker 11: It's just kind of generational gerrymandering on behalf of left
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: of center parties. But at the same time, you do
• 43:00
  Speaker 11: wonder whether it's going to backfire. Younger people don't tend
• 43:02
  Speaker 11: to turn out in elections in the way that parties
• 43:04
  Speaker 11: would hope them to, and also around the edges, you're
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: seeing a lot of younger people who are fed up
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: with a lot of the establishment left wing parties who
• 43:11
  Speaker 11: are even a surprising number of young people are turning
• 43:14
  Speaker 11: to parties like Reform. So I think it's a bad
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: idea on paper, but I do wonder whether or not
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: it's going to backfire on them as well, given the
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: fact that politics isn't a lot of the old certainties
• 43:22
  Speaker 11: have been kind of thrown up in the air at
• 43:23
  Speaker 11: the moment.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Well, as a parent, I've got twin twenty year old boys,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: but I'll tell you what, when they were sixteen, I
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: would not have given them.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: The vote, that's for sure.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about a UK court decision.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: A court has ruled that a police force failed to
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: act impartially when it allowed officers to take part in
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: a gay pride and transgender rights march. Just take us
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: through that case and what are the likely implications for
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: other police forces around the UK, because these pride marchers
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: are very popular with police forces.
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: Same in our country, No, absolutely, so this relates to
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: Northumbria Police them not only attending and participating in a
• 44:05
  Speaker 11: Pride march up in the Northeast, but you know, actually
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: having their police crest emblazoned with the trans Pride colors,
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: actively participating in this. And this is something that, as
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: you say, you see up and down the UK, you
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: see it in Australia, the way in which police forces
• 44:20
  Speaker 11: who are supposed to be politically impartial, who may well
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: be responsible on any given day for policing a gender
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: critical demonstration and a pro trans rights counter demonstration. They
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: cannot be seen to be on one side of any
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: particular political argument, but for years now they've been openly
• 44:37
  Speaker 11: engaging in having floats that sometimes dancing in pride marches,
• 44:41
  Speaker 11: and it's something which has obviously infuriated gender critical campaigners
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: who've often got quite a rough hand from the police,
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: who have been arrested for accurately gendering someone on the internet,
• 44:50
  Speaker 11: or who have found their own demonstrations quite tightly policed
• 44:53
  Speaker 11: because they're deemed to be somehow inflammatory. So the hope
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: is that this will be a bit of a kind
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: of one domino to fall to try and rid the
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: police of this kind of politicized, incredibly partial turn that
• 45:05
  Speaker 11: they've been going under. But as ever, with these things,
• 45:07
  Speaker 11: it's a lot more difficult to root out. We can
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: have a few court rulings, we can have a few
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: big headline cases, but the problem is very much cultural
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: police forces have within so many other wings of the
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: state have just fall into this ideology now, and it
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: will take a long time to root that out.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I would suggest, yeah, I get that police want to
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: convey the message that hey, you can trust us, but
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I reckon the best way for the police to build
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: trust is to police fairly and well, rather than to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: become involved in all of these diverse groups and taking
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: on different ideologies. I think the point is well made.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Tom Sayda, always a joy to talk to you. Thanks
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: for joining us tonight. Well, I've got to admit I'm
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: not much of a golfer golf. The way I play
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: is more accurately called hit and hunt. But I was
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: fascinated by comments from Scottish Scheffler, who's been the world's
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: number one golfer for the past two years at just
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: twenty nine years of age. This guy's won three majors
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: and an Olympic gold medal. But he gave a press
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: conference this week that I have to say I found
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: incredibly refreshing.
• 46:13
  Speaker 14: Here he is.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Talking about what it's like to win a major golf tournament.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Have listened to this.
• 46:19
  Speaker 14: It feels like you work your whole life to celebrate
• 46:23
  Speaker 14: winning a tournament for like a few minutes and only
• 46:26
  Speaker 14: lasts a few minutes. That kind of euphoric feeling. And
• 46:29
  Speaker 14: I like to win the Byron Nelson Championship at home.
• 46:31
  Speaker 14: I literally worked my entire life to become good at
• 46:34
  Speaker 14: golf to have an opportunity to win that tournament, and
• 46:37
  Speaker 14: you win it, you celebrate, get to hug my family.
• 46:40
  Speaker 14: My sister's there at such an amazing moment, and then
• 46:42
  Speaker 14: it's like, okay, now what are we gonna eat for dinner?
• 46:46
  Speaker 14: You know, life goes on.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: The journalists were sitting there just astonished at this confession
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: and here's the world's number one golfer talking about where
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: the sport comes in his order of priorities.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Have listened to this.
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: I'm blessed to be able to come out here and
• 47:02
  Speaker 14: play golf. But if my golf ever started affecting my
• 47:05
  Speaker 14: home life, or itever affected the relationship I have with
• 47:08
  Speaker 14: my wife or with my son, you know that's going
• 47:10
  Speaker 14: to be the last day that I play out here
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: for a living. You know, this is not the be
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: all and all. This is not the most important thing
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: in my life. And that's why I wrestle with why
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: is so important to me? Because you know, I would
• 47:20
  Speaker 14: much rather be a great father than I would be
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: a great golfer. You know that at the end of
• 47:23
  Speaker 14: the day, that that's what's more important to me.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Wow, it's refreshing to hear a sports person talk like that,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: and I reckon it's a pretty healthy perspective too. In
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: a world where people are driven to succeed and where
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: reaching the top of your field is held up as
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: the ultimate it's a good reminder that all the trophies
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: in the world can't replace the few people that really matter.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: It's also a good reminder that all the success in
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: the world isn't enough to compensate for being at peace
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: or not in your own heart. On that point, I
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: might give the final word to John Candy, who had
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: this brilliant life in the movie Cool Runnings.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: A gold medal is.
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: A wonderful thing, but if you're not enough without it,
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: you'll never be enough with it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I reckon that's not a bad thought to end the
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: week on. I'll be back with you again next week,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: but that's it from me. Stick around though. Coming up
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: is Danika de Giorgio, who's filling in for Shari.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Good Night and have a great weekend.