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Why The Church Must Reclaim The Body For God's Glory · Faithful Fitness With Coach Alex VanHouten

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Faithful Fitness Podcast for my dad. Coach
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  Speaker 1: Alex Van Houghton helps you get stronger and mind, body,
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  Speaker 1: and spirit. He believes that your body is a temple,
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  Speaker 1: so taking good care of it is an actual worship.
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  Speaker 2: I should know.
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  Speaker 1: I live with him every week. He brings truth from
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  Speaker 1: the Bible, tool some science and stories that will set
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  Speaker 1: your heart on fire. May God bless you to become
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  Speaker 1: everything He made you to be, just one percent better
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  Speaker 1: every single day.
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  Speaker 3: What's up, guys. This is coach Alex ben Houghton. I'm
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  Speaker 3: the Faithful Fitness Podcast. I'm super excited to spend some
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  Speaker 3: time with you guys today and to bring this conversation
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  Speaker 3: to you with Wes Shoy. Wes is one of the
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  Speaker 3: few pastors in the world that I've gotten to brush
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  Speaker 3: shoulders with so far, at least that believe that there's
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  Speaker 3: something important about the intersection of faith and fitness.
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  Speaker 2: Wes, how you doing today, brother dude?
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  Speaker 4: Great? Thanks for having me, Alex. This is awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for agreeing to jump on here. I
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  Speaker 3: really I do want to start with that question. Because
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  Speaker 3: you're a pastor. I'd love to hear more about your church.
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  Speaker 3: I believe you're operating in Denver, Colorado, and as a pastor. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I have a pastor and I'm also a children's ministry pastor,
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  Speaker 3: so I brush shoulders with a lot of pastors.
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  Speaker 2: It's not normal.
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  Speaker 3: It's not normal, not that it's not It could be
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  Speaker 3: good if it was normal, but it's not normal for
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  Speaker 3: a pastor to also be what's the word an advocate
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  Speaker 3: for physical stewardship or in layman's terms, it's not normal
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  Speaker 3: to hear things from the pulpit about nutrition and exercise.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd love to hear first, how did you come
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  Speaker 3: to being a pastor and then at what point did
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  Speaker 3: that cross paths with fitness in your life.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny because I didn't start my life thinking, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I want to be a pastor. I came to faith
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  Speaker 4: in my early life, like nine ten years old, and
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  Speaker 4: after that got into some trouble with some friends and
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  Speaker 4: found that there was true forgiveness when you get in trouble,
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  Speaker 4: and that was my actual, I feel like real encounter
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  Speaker 4: with the love of Christ for the first time at thirteen,
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  Speaker 4: I think was when I started thinking maybe there is
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  Speaker 4: something to do with ministry, and I got involved with
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  Speaker 4: a small ministry back in Indiana where I grew up,
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  Speaker 4: and when I graduated high school, I started going to
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  Speaker 4: a local college. But while I was there, I could
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  Speaker 4: really just felt like this is hollow. What I'm doing
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  Speaker 4: is hollow, what I'm learning is hollow. It's not what
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  Speaker 4: I'm supposed to be doing. And some mentors of mine
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  Speaker 4: suggested going to a Christian college, So I went to
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  Speaker 4: a Moody Bible Institute in Chicago, which was a wonderful experience,
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  Speaker 4: and at the same time, there was a lot that
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  Speaker 4: nobody was talking about with me about my body, and
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  Speaker 4: as a result, I gained a lot of weight because
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  Speaker 4: there was a lot of unprocessed stuff that I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: dealing with, didn't even know how to have language around.
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  Speaker 4: And that showed up in my body. It showed up
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  Speaker 4: in what I was eating, It showed up in my
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  Speaker 4: energy levels, it showed up in my general feeling of
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  Speaker 4: well being, and I didn't know what that was. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know what that was. I graduated from college thought
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  Speaker 4: I was going to go into the military, and I
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  Speaker 4: actually had signed up. I worked so hard to lose
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  Speaker 4: weight alex to get into the Navy, and I had
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  Speaker 4: a six month time between when I signed up and
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  Speaker 4: when I was supposed to ship to boot camp, and
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  Speaker 4: that six months I spent with a missionary in Germany,
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  Speaker 4: sort of interning with him, and the whole time I
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  Speaker 4: was there, I felt like, like the Sawa said, the
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  Speaker 4: hand of the Lord was heavy upon me. I felt
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  Speaker 4: that just this very strong sense that this is not
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  Speaker 4: what you're here to do. You're not here to be
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  Speaker 4: a guy in the Navy. As great as that is,
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  Speaker 4: that's not what I have you for. So I came
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  Speaker 4: back home to Indiana and trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 4: in the world to do with my life, and another
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  Speaker 4: mentor told me, hey, maybe you should check out seminary,
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  Speaker 4: which I thought at first was a really stupid idea
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  Speaker 4: because I just finished college. I didn't want to go
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  Speaker 4: back for more school school right, But that got me
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  Speaker 4: looking into military chaplaincy, and that got me out to Colorado,
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  Speaker 4: where Denver Seminary has an amazing chaplaincy program. And again,
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  Speaker 4: the Lord had different ideas than I did, and I
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  Speaker 4: ended up as a part time worship director at a
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  Speaker 4: local church, just trying to make some money while doing
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  Speaker 4: ministry in seminary. And I'm now for twenty years. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't start off looking to be a pastor, but that's
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  Speaker 4: where I've ended up and it's been an amazing journey.
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  Speaker 4: And along the way, I have learned a lot of
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  Speaker 4: stuff that they didn't teach me in seminary, and they
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  Speaker 4: didn't teach me in church, and nobody in my family
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  Speaker 4: knew about the intersection between faith and fitness. That's where
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  Speaker 4: I am.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome, awesome, that's such a cool story and journey.
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  Speaker 3: And I'd like to place myself as a father in
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  Speaker 3: your story as well. So you're going to Chaplaincy in Denver, Colorado?
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  Speaker 3: Are you married and a father by then?
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  Speaker 2: Like? Where are you in your journey as a husband
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  Speaker 2: and father? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I met my wife at church two years after I
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  Speaker 4: start came to Denver and we've been there ever since.
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  Speaker 4: So I graduated right about the time that our second
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  Speaker 4: child was about to be born.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, awesome, And fast forward to now, how
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  Speaker 3: old are your kids?
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  Speaker 4: I have a son who's sixteen, a daughter who's thirteen,
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  Speaker 4: and a daughter who's ten.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, awesome, bless you for being a father to daughters.
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  Speaker 3: I have two sons myself, and I'm hoping there are
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  Speaker 3: men out there who are raising awesome daughters so that
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  Speaker 3: they have great wives someday.
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  Speaker 2: But I know nothing about raising daughters.
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  Speaker 4: So it's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: It's so awesome, awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I can see the gleam in your eye when you
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  Speaker 3: talk about them. So it sounds like it sounds like
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  Speaker 3: it's a party at your house. So I want to
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  Speaker 3: talk about this fitness thing. So you had some struggles
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  Speaker 3: early on in not necessarily your ministry work, but personally
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  Speaker 3: with your own body. And this idea that there's a
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  Speaker 3: there's a theological thing here that I'd like to separate.
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  Speaker 3: We cover this and we have a devotion coming out
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  Speaker 3: in just a couple months, and it's called Faithful Fitness,
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  Speaker 3: a forty day devotional for Christian stewardship.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things that we try.
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  Speaker 3: To tackle in there is is there's this idea that
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  Speaker 3: permeates the church that our spirit and our flesh are separate. Yep, right,
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  Speaker 3: this this idea, And you know, Paul says it. This
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  Speaker 3: is a very famous famous piece that he wrote, Oh
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  Speaker 3: wretched man, and that I am what am I supposed
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  Speaker 3: to do with this body of sin? And he talks
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  Speaker 3: about the war between his flesh and his spirit, that
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  Speaker 3: which I do want to do, I don't do that
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  Speaker 3: which I don't want to do.
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  Speaker 2: I do like what am I supposed to do?
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  Speaker 3: Right and so and so in Christianity and the Church
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  Speaker 3: at large and might be different denominationally, but I've I've
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  Speaker 3: been through several different experiences with several different denominations. That's
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  Speaker 3: pretty it's pretty robust that my eternal spirit and my
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  Speaker 3: fleshly body meat sack, that it's wrapped in right, that
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  Speaker 3: that they're separate, and the meat sacks kind of a
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  Speaker 3: bad thing. It has lots of lots of wants and
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  Speaker 3: desires and and blah blah blah, that that generally contradict
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  Speaker 3: the the good spirit that God has given me in
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  Speaker 3: Christ Jesus, and and like it's easy to wrap your
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  Speaker 3: head around that, right, it's easy to wrap wrap your
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  Speaker 3: head around you know, sometimes I crave things that aren't
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  Speaker 3: good for me. Addiction can can can grab my mind
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  Speaker 3: and my body and cause me to do things I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to do.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you can feel.
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  Speaker 3: That that dichotomy between those two things. But there's also
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  Speaker 3: this idea that Paul also brings to the table, that
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  Speaker 3: that my body is a living sacrifice, a temple of
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  Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit, and and so in in in that
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  Speaker 3: that line of thinking, there there's actually that's actually the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: It's that that my my spirit and my my body
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  Speaker 3: and my mind are connected, right and and where I
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  Speaker 3: see this in the church, I.
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  Speaker 2: See a very a very.
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  Speaker 3: Stressed relationship between an individual's spirit and mind and their body.
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  Speaker 3: And the way it looks is it's very hard to
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  Speaker 3: tell that that in the church we are using this
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  Speaker 3: body that God's given us in a in a stewardly fashion,
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  Speaker 3: where we are we are taking good care of ourselves,
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  Speaker 3: we are being healthy as we know how to be,
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  Speaker 3: we are moving on a regular basis, and and and
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  Speaker 3: challenging ourselves in a way that's positive and beneficial. It
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  Speaker 3: seems like in the church's mind. And I say church,
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  Speaker 3: I don't mean necessarily individuals, but but big c church.
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  Speaker 3: If you listen to sermons, and even sometimes if you
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  Speaker 3: look at pastors who are delivering this these sermons, there
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  Speaker 3: is a separation between taking good care of my body
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  Speaker 3: and what that has to do with my ultimate calling
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  Speaker 3: or my eternal spirit or whatnot. And so I've been
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  Speaker 3: working to wrestle this out personally myself, and I've been
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  Speaker 3: working to wrestle this out in my practice with my
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  Speaker 3: clients and even in my local church.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like you have been on a similar journey.
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  Speaker 3: Can you talk about when you, as an individual, maybe
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  Speaker 3: not as a pastor or maybe not as a leader yet,
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  Speaker 3: but when you as an individual realized that there was
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  Speaker 3: a connection between my body, the way I'm feeding myself,
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  Speaker 3: the way I'm moving myself, the way I'm resting. That
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  Speaker 3: when you realized there was a connection between your body
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  Speaker 3: and the faith that you professed were called to and
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  Speaker 3: we're practicing on a regular basis.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it came post seminary because in my
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  Speaker 4: doctrinal orals, I had to defend my doctrinal thesis and
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  Speaker 4: at the end of that one of the professors on
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  Speaker 4: panel had said, the one area I think you need
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  Speaker 4: to focus on once you're out of here, do some
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  Speaker 4: more study on, is what does it mean to be
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  Speaker 4: created in the image of God? And that's what got
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  Speaker 4: me going down a pretty big road and when it
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  Speaker 4: came to my theological studies and and unfortunately, what we
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  Speaker 4: have in the West is a very strong Greco Roman
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  Speaker 4: idea of the makeup of the human person. And so
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  Speaker 4: we do get that body bad, spirit good, which is
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  Speaker 4: very platonic. It's also very gnostic, which is a heresy,
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  Speaker 4: right that that this the the body we live in
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  Speaker 4: is bad and the spirit that is eternal is good.
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  Speaker 4: And unfortunately, our our translations, even of Paul, make it
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  Speaker 4: hard for us to see. He's not saying that the
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  Speaker 4: bodies bad, and he's using two very different words sarks
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  Speaker 4: and soma, sarks meaning flesh and soma meaning flesh. But
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  Speaker 4: flesh is that word flesh we throw around a lot
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  Speaker 4: in the Christian culture, like what does that even mean?
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  Speaker 4: When Paul's talking about flesh, he's talking The translation should
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  Speaker 4: probably be old nature, the old nature versus the body,
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  Speaker 4: the physical body that not only I have, but he's me. Right.
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  Speaker 4: God didn't create junk, right, God made what he loved.
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  Speaker 4: He got down into the dirt and with his hands
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  Speaker 4: he formed humanity, this intimate, loving, face to face creation
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  Speaker 4: and breathe life into us. Right, He made what he loved,
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  Speaker 4: and then Christ himself takes on a physical body. He
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  Speaker 4: puts on what he loves, and then the spirit in
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  Speaker 4: dwells our physical bodies what he loves. And when we
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  Speaker 4: read scripture. We're always dealing with translation, right, because we're
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  Speaker 4: taking Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic, and we're trying to
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  Speaker 4: find the dynamic equivalent to the English language or whatever
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  Speaker 4: language is your language, And unfortunately you're making interpretive decisions
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  Speaker 4: while you're translating. You have to, it's impossible not to.
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  Speaker 4: And so even in the Book of Deuteronomy, when when
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  Speaker 4: Jesus says, you know, the greatest commandment is to love
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  Speaker 4: the Lord your God with all your heart, with all
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  Speaker 4: your soul, with all your mind, with all your body,
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  Speaker 4: that's very different in the Hebrew context than it is
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  Speaker 4: in the English context because even the words that we
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  Speaker 4: use that are translated heart love, it's actually it's like
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  Speaker 4: the seed of my emotions and desires.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: That's not even my body desiring things, it's me desiring things.
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  Speaker 4: When we talk about our nephesh, which we translate body,
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  Speaker 4: that doesn't mean body, it means being. It means your being.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, in the Hebrew mind, there was no separation
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  Speaker 4: between soul and body and mind. They were all very
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  Speaker 4: interconnected and one, and you couldn't divorce one from the other.
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  Speaker 4: And even that word that we think of as we
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  Speaker 4: hear strength, heart, soul, mind, and strength. That word is
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  Speaker 4: actually an adjective. It means much. To love the Lord
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  Speaker 4: with all your heart, all your desires and emotions. To
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  Speaker 4: love the Lord with all your being, and to love
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  Speaker 4: the Lord with all your muchness is really what the
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  Speaker 4: Hebrew's saying. So it's saying, love the Lord, your God,
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  Speaker 4: with every piece of who you are, and that includes
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  Speaker 4: your body, which is you. Like if I punch you
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  Speaker 4: in the face, you don't take me to court for
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  Speaker 4: property damage. You take me to court for for assault. Right,
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  Speaker 4: it's your body's not a thing separate from you. And
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  Speaker 4: certainly we can talk about my fingers, right, but I
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  Speaker 4: can't talk about my fingers apart from the rest of
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  Speaker 4: my body. And if you hurt me emotionally, the same
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  Speaker 4: center in my brain feels pain. That does when I
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  Speaker 4: smash my finger with a hammer. My body and my
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  Speaker 4: mind and my spirit are so beautifully and lovingly and
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  Speaker 4: creatively interconnected. Really, heart, the body, mind, spirit a try
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  Speaker 4: you being, as our father, son and Holy Spirit are
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  Speaker 4: a tri une being. Now we're not three people, we're three,
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  Speaker 4: three parts in one. That's part of being created in
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  Speaker 4: the very image of the God. We love and serve,
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  Speaker 4: and what happens when I divorce I see my body
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  Speaker 4: as something other. Then it's really easy to worship it
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  Speaker 4: in some contexts, and it's also really easy to obsess,
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  Speaker 4: to neglect, or to abuse it. Because if it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: matter what I do to this body because it's junk, right,
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  Speaker 4: if it's bad, then I can do whatever I want
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  Speaker 4: to to this body and with this body, and that
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  Speaker 4: infects everything.
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  Speaker 3: And I would even hazard to say, because of the
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  Speaker 3: nature that you were talking about earlier, I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to tend toward positive powerful things. I'm going to tend
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  Speaker 3: toward negative things that when I separate those two is
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  Speaker 3: what you were speaking about.
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  Speaker 2: There made me think there was there.
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  Speaker 3: In the devotional we talk about the discipline of integrity,
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  Speaker 3: an integrity not meaning necessarily I do the same thing
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  Speaker 3: behind closed doors as I do when other people are watching,
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  Speaker 3: or honesty, which are decent definitions when you're trying to
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  Speaker 3: explain what integrity means to a kid, right, but integrity
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  Speaker 3: coming from the word integer, meaning a whole thing, all
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  Speaker 3: put together, all the inseparable part of something. That's integrity.
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  Speaker 3: When Jesus spoke at the end of his sermon on
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  Speaker 3: the Mount. He said, if any man hears my words
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  Speaker 3: and practices them, he will be like a man who's
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  Speaker 3: built his house on a rock, as opposed to a
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  Speaker 3: man who's built his house on sand. Integrity means that foundation,
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  Speaker 3: that inseparable thing. And the reason I speak about that
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  Speaker 3: here is because when when I say to God, I
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  Speaker 3: will serve you, I will follow Jesus. I will walk
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  Speaker 3: in his footsteps. I choose the narrow way. Please teach me.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when I when I pray those prayers, what
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  Speaker 3: I'm also saying is I am going to bring my
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  Speaker 3: whole being under your lordship. There's no peace of it
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  Speaker 3: that gets to be separate from that. There's no piece
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  Speaker 3: of me that I'm not giving to you. I'm giving
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  Speaker 3: my all. So to speak right, and Jesus said this.
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  Speaker 3: He said, no man can serve two masters. Either he
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  Speaker 3: will hate the one and love the other, or despise
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  Speaker 3: the one and follow the other. Right and and so
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  Speaker 3: so in that when when you're speaking and I hear,
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  Speaker 3: I hear, hey, you know that that false idea that
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  Speaker 3: our body and spirit are separate, and this dog on
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  Speaker 3: flesh bag that I've got to deal with, you know,
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  Speaker 3: likes to do things, and I can't quite figure out
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  Speaker 3: how to manage it. You know, uh that that that
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  Speaker 3: that truly is I believe, And if I understand you correctly,
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  Speaker 3: it sounds like you believe.
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  Speaker 2: But you can argue with me if you like. I
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  Speaker 2: believe that's a lie.
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  Speaker 3: I believe it's a lie from the enemy, that my
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  Speaker 3: body is separate from me, and that I'm not really
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  Speaker 3: accountable to or responsible for or in charge of whatever
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  Speaker 3: that does, and and and so you know, I have
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  Speaker 3: my Christian life and my Christian intentions, and my Christian
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  Speaker 3: mind and my Christian spirit, and and this stupid body
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  Speaker 3: of mine. You know, hopefully when I go to Heaven,
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  Speaker 3: I'm done dealing with that garbage.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that that those things come together and in
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  Speaker 3: it actually was. I did not go to seminary, but
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  Speaker 3: it was very apparent to me when Paul, writing in Ephesian,
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  Speaker 3: said that a husband should love his wife as Christ
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  Speaker 3: loved the Church and gave himself for her, and then
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  Speaker 3: further goes on to say as a part of his
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  Speaker 3: own body. And then he says, and no man ever
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  Speaker 3: hated his own body. And here I am as a
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  Speaker 3: nutrition and exercise scientist of many years, going.
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  Speaker 2: I, I don't like.
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  Speaker 3: Arguing with Paul, but like, I've met a lot of
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  Speaker 3: guys who hate their own body, and they might even
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  Speaker 3: say it out loud, But even if they don't say
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  Speaker 3: it out loud, you can see it in their actions,
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  Speaker 3: like showing your food journal, and I will tell you
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  Speaker 3: whether or not you hate your body, not because of
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: what it looks like, because of what you eat, but
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  Speaker 3: because of how you've decided to care for it today.
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  Speaker 2: Do I hate my body?
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Well, let's let's look Let's look at how you are
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: fueling your body. Let's look at how you're nourishing your body.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Let's look at how how you are allowing it to
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: recover or not based on the food that we're eating.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: And so I remember thinking like Paul, I don't know, man,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Like if I asked a guy to
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  Speaker 3: love his wife like he loves his body, like I don't,
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't tell a guy to do that based on
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  Speaker 3: his food journal and exercise program, like, no, please love
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  Speaker 3: her way better than you generally are loving your body.
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  Speaker 3: So I remember thinking this, like, no, there's there's a
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: separate there's a disconnect between what Paul's saying, and how
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  Speaker 3: we understand body and and that that some of the
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  Speaker 3: roots of love, learning to love others as God loves us,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: learning to love others as we are called to love ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: That that there's there's a deep disconnect there. And I
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: would love one of the things that you're passionate about
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: is is helping helping Christians understand what it means to
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  Speaker 3: love themselves, not in the way the world does, but
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: to love themselves full mind, body, spirit, the whole whole package.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And and how that that impacts and influences development and
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: and also the the following of Christ. So, so could
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  Speaker 3: you talk a bit about what it looks like to
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  Speaker 3: love ourselves, how is that different from the way the
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  Speaker 3: world means it, and why is the body a part
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  Speaker 3: of that at all?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, that's so good. Oh And I need to
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  Speaker 4: I need to correct myself because I said the word
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  Speaker 4: for muchness was an adjective. It's an adverb. For those
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: who are grammar files, I don't want to get scolded by.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Them the comments on YouTube, it's an adverb.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: You're an adverb. Yeah. Yeah, So my journey into really
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: understanding the intersection between faith and fitness started back in
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  Speaker 4: twenty seventeen when my doctor at my yearly physical who
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: is one of my parishioners and I love, gave me
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: the eyeball to eyeball and said, if you don't make
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: some changes, you are going to have a stroke before
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  Speaker 4: you're forty.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: And and that woke me up. And I can remember
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: going from that that time with my doctor to the
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  Speaker 4: parking lot down the street from my home, outside of
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  Speaker 4: the grocery store and just crying my eyes out and
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  Speaker 4: saying to the Lord, you know, I've done everything I
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: know to do and I can't get anything to stick
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  Speaker 4: to help me lose weight. I was eighty pounds heavier
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: than than I am today.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: And that's you know, twenty seventeen isn't that far away.
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  Speaker 4: And that really got me on a process of asking
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: for help first off, and agree of one percent. At
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: that time in my life, I would tell you that
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: I had so much shame around my body and how
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: I felt I looked, and the messages we receive from
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: culture every day about how a man is supposed to
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: look right, it's just so destructive and it's a tool
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  Speaker 4: of the enemy. Jesus, Jesus rises again after death in
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: a full physical body. And it wasn't a different body,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: it was his body. It was the same body, but
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: with scars. Right, that's a we'll get back. And it
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: was at that point in my life when my wife,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: who has always been very athletic, she was really big
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: into running. Then she had run into this podcast called
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Reving the Word by an organization called and what they
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: do is teach people to love God and love their bodies,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: and they train fitness teachers and health coaches to go
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  Speaker 4: out into the world and spread the gospel you using
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  Speaker 4: the tools of our bodies. Because we can't do anything
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  Speaker 4: without these good bodies, right, we cannot. I cannot show
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  Speaker 4: anyone love without my physical body. I can't give somebody
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: a hug, I can't I can't smile at someone without
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: making this body part of the process. And really, these
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: bodies are taking what's invisible and making it visible to them.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: And at that time in my life, I couldn't have
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: told you that. I wouldn't have known. Why do I
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: have so many problems with this body? And revelation wellness
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: That podcast, in particular, while I was starting walking, like
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: let's start walking, let's move up my body in some way,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: form or fashion, because at that point I was very inactive.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: And I'll say for especially helping people, people who are
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: in the helping profession and people in Minty in particular,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: we have a really hard time taking the time for ourselves.
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  Speaker 4: We're really good at burning the candle at both ends
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  Speaker 4: for the entire world, because there's a lot of messages
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  Speaker 4: that tell us that's what we're supposed to do. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: if it's at the sake of your own physical health,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: that's okay. It's a sacrifice for Jesus, and I don't
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: think that's Jesus model. But I started walking, and I
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: started listening to this podcast that includes God's Word, reading
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: scripture over you, coaching you in posture and in how
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: to engage your core while you're walking or running, getting
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: your body involved, and having God's spoken over you in
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: a powerful way. And now I'm listening to something while
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: I'm moving my body. I'm having God's word spoken on
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: for me. It's all becoming integrated. And that started to
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: shift things for me. That that led me into something
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: that we're also really not good out here in the
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: United States in particular, is silence and solitude and how
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: important getting to the quiet place is and letting really,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: I think this is where what the key is to
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: all of this is letting God love me, letting him
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  Speaker 4: love me. Amen, we're so really good at doing things
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: for him. We're not doing things with him. We're not.
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  Speaker 4: We're not We're not like our savior Jesus getting away
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: to quiet places to simply be with the Father, to
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: simply sit with him and listen and let him love us.
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  Speaker 4: And because it's terrifying, we're I'm so used to busy, busy, busy,
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  Speaker 4: and we've been discipled so much by technology these days,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: we're so in. We've always got distraction and even I
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: can I can pick up my Bible and I can
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: read my Bible, and I can study my Bible, and
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: that's wonderful. That's very cerebral. I'm not letting him love me.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: It's sort of like Facebook stalking, right, a celebrity like
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: you could say, I'm really good friends for me with
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Peyton Manning because I know so many things about him.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I know where his kids get their haircuts, I know
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: where they go to school. I know where he lives,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I know what car he drives, right, I know all
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: this stuff about him, but there's zero relationship with him.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: If we're not careful as followers of Jesus, we can
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: know so much about God we don't know him personally.
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  Speaker 2: That's deeply and very well said.
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  Speaker 3: And for in my journey, my individual movements, hiking up
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: a mountain, lifting weights, the actual movement component of exercise
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: has been a very deep part of spending time with God.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: For me, some of my deepest, most heartfelt prayers.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: The times that scripture comes alive for me is on
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: a hike through the woods by myself, well not by myself,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: I'm hanging out with my father, but that I don't
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: get that sitting in my living room at the start
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: of a work day. And don't get me wrong, the
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: discipline of opening the word and reading it and understanding
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: or at least doing my best too, is something that
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: informs that process for me, just like you know, hearing
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: the podcast for what did you call it?
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Rev Up the word while you're walking, you're moving, and
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: somebody else is speaking, you know, scripture over you.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: But for my part, and again the reason I wrote
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: the devotional was because it's like no God's word meets
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: you in movement. It does, and it's so weird. It's
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: a hard thing to articulate. I got to say, writing
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: this devotional has been the hardest thing I've ever done
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: in my life, because because I can feel it, I
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: can understand it. But it's really hard to explain to
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: you what it means to say, because we are surrounded
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: all the sin that weighs us down and run with
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: endurance the race that God has set before us at
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: pursuing Jesus, the author and finish of our faith.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: That's that is in Hebrews. Right.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: It's it's hard. It's hard to articulate what that feels like.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: While I'm running. Like I'm running, that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Verse that scripture comes to mind and heart, and I'm
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: reminded of the difficult race I'm running in my life.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I'm reminded of the times I want to give up.
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  Speaker 3: I'm reminded of all the people who love me and
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: want to see want to see God's good work done
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: in my life. And I'm also reminded of the stupid
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: things I've done that are regularly in opposition to that
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: thing that weigh me down. Right, And I'm running, and
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: then then I'm crying. I'm like cry running, you know,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: poor people in Greenbrier are driving by me, Like, what's
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: going on with Alex.
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  Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. It's time with my father. We'll
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: be all right.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: But that is, that is a hard thing to articulate,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: that there is something to be said about when scripture
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: and the movement of our body and the love of
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: God all hit us all at.
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  Speaker 2: The same time. That's healing.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: That's good, that's motivating and inspiring. That honestly is just
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: good because it is. And if you know, for my part,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: I work with a lot of people who don't like
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: to exercise. Yeah, when this starts happening, you start to
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: really like exercise. You start to notice that you're not
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the same person without it, that there's a process and
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: progress to that whole thing. I wonder if I said
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  Speaker 3: a lot of things there, if you have something to add,
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to hear that. And then I have a
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: question for you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's something. I mean, we can see in all
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: of the data that something happens when we move our
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: bodies that engages our mind, our will and emotions. Right,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: it's everything is interconnected again. We are we are interconnected beings,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: and we try to dissociate those things from one another,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: and that's a wrong and be unhelpful. And see it's
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: to make it. To get us back to where we're
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: supposed to be requires movement, and even in trauma therapy
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: and care, one of the biggest ways that healing starts
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: to happen is when people move. And you see it
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: in fitness. I don't know why I'm crying. I'm you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I'm punching a punching bag, or I'm lifting weights, or
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: I'm pounding drumsticks on the floor and I'm crying. I'm
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: having an emotional reaction that I don't know why is
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: this happening? Well, there's your good body is holding bad news, right.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: It's the things that have been done to us, the
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: things we've done to ourselves. Right, it all hangs out
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: in my body. I carry it with me everywhere I go.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: And when I start to move, and now we're talking
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: about the science of movement, right, which all truth is
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: God's truth, we start moving that stuff out of us.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Like when I experience stress, high stress during an intense experience,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: whether that's a car accident or verbal abuse that I
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: received at the hands of somebody, or physical abuse I
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: received at the hands of somebody. My body's producing all
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: kinds of chemicals, some of which are damaging if they
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: just hang out in my body, right like cortisol. If
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: it stays there for too long, it starts creating chronic
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: inflammation in the whole system. Because that stuff was meant
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: to move me. It was meant to get me to
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: do something. It's a gift from God. But when I
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: don't move, it gets stuck. And the messages I receive
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: about who I am and who the world says I am,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: they get stuck in my body. The messages of shame
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: and isolation and helplessness, all of those things, they get
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: stuck in my body, and it's not telling me the truth.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: And really, for me, that's where my weight gain and
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: my physical lack of physical fitness that was. It was
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: all coming from messages I had received that I didn't
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: even know I had been receiving. And so in some
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: ways I could tell you at that even at that time,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: I believe God loves me. I believe it. I could
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: give cognitive assent to that. And yet there were parts
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: of me that had never experienced that love and to
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: experience that love required me to do something, whether that
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: was was hiking, because I, like you, man, do I
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: encounter Jesus in creation like hiking the Grand Canyon or
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: some of the mountains here in Denver. Man, just getting
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: out into sunshine and hearing the birds and smelling the
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: trees and the dirt. I'm meeting with God in creation
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: while I move my body and learning to meet him
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: in silence and solitude. That's that rest and recovery that
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: comes right because we need that spiritually as well as
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: physically and all things silence and solitude does for our
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: brain too. Allows me to actually experience in my body
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: the love that my Creator has for me.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I think that answered the question.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, no, that's that's that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: And I think of you know, I work with with
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of individuals, both from a ministerial perspective but
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: also from an exercise and nutrition perspective, and I'll hear
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: sometimes I know God's there, but I don't feel him
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: something like that. And you know that that might sound
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: kind of frue fruit of some individuals, but but for
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: but for somebody who's really seeking after God and needs
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: needs to hear him, needs to see him, needs needs
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: the Kingdom to break through in a powerful way in
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: their life, and even non narcissistically, just just as a
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: as an experience that that oftentimes I with this individual,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I'll be like, all right, I'll meet you here, we're
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: gonna be fasted, let's go. And in every single time,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: every single time we get out in nature, every single
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: time we have the opportunity to experience His creation, then
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: the person experiences God, even if they don't have a
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: particularly tight connection to that, right And and that's for me,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: that's always profoundly important that that you know, we we
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: didn't exist.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I'm in a garage gym right now.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Abraham would not have understood any any of our
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: experiences here, air conditioning, running water, you know, you know
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: that's but but Abraham had a tight connection with God.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: He knew who God was, he knew what God wanted
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: from him.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: He walked that path.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: He made some of his own mistakes, right, but he
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: walked with him. And I think that's an interesting thing too,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: is that the scriptural account of a connection with God
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: is usually depicted as a walk.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I'm walking with God. Uh, Enoch walked with God. And
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: was no more.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Christ describes the pathway to life as the narrow way, right.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: The idea that there's this trail, this path, that that
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: you get to move.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: On is powerful and throughout scripture.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: But I did want to address a word because I've
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: said it a couple of times. You've said it a
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: couple of times. But I want to address this word,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: and I want to address it by by explaining a concept.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: And that is when when I work in the health
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: and fitness world, I see two ends of a spectrum
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: in in fitness from a worldly perspective, I see the
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: lack of it, right, the deconditioned, nutritionally deprived, you know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: driven by a bunch of different things. I see that
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: end of the spectrum of fitness. And then I see
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: the end of the spectrum of fitness where it's look
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: how look how great I look? And look how much
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: weight I can move? And and look how look how
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: athletic I am? Right, and and biblically speaking, the seven
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: deadly sins are not really a thing, but but people
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: on that right, And I think of the two ends
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: of the spectrum of fitness as as on one end
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: we've got we've got gluttony and sloth. Right, Oh, gluttony,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: that's scary word. Yeah, yeah, we still do that in
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: church some reason. We get for the alcoholics a hard time.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: But the guy is eating the seventh donut. You know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: we're gonna let him pass as long as there's coffee
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I'm kidding, but.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I know there's that end of the spectrum, right, gluttony
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: and sloth Like food in my life has become its
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: own idol. Or I've become acquainted and comfortable within action,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: and so I'm not going to challenge myself.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: I don't like that feeling. I don't want to do that.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Right, there's there's one in one end of the spectrum
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: of fitness there and then on the other end of
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: the spectrum of fitness, it's it's the uh, the pride
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: and envy, right, and and pride being like, look how
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: great I am, Look at my six pack ads, look
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: at my split biceps, Look how heavy away I can move?
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Or or I want to be just like I don't
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: know the rock is that an old actor?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I have a hard time referencing Hollywood here because I
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: don't know how young or old people are.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I want to be like ex celebrity.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: And I'm pursuing that, look, you know, because because that
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: will feel good to me somewhere in the middle, and
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: and that's how that's how the Christian walk is somewhere
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: in the middle. Stewardship. And I've said that word. You've
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: said that word. What I mean by stewardship is this
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: body I have. I have some control over, not a lot,
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  Speaker 3: but some, you know, And and I have some decisions
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  Speaker 3: to make with it on a daily basis. I've been
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: given it for a reason, but ultimately it's God. God
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: gave it to me, and I have a certain amount
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: of time with it here on earth. And what happens
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: after that, I'm not sure we can say something scripturally speaking,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: but but I have this thing. Just like Jesus said
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  Speaker 3: about the men who are given talents by their Master,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: He's given them talents for a period of time. And
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: the question is what did you do with those things?
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  Speaker 2: What?
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: What did you How did you steward those things? And
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: so and so in the middle of this sin spectrum
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: of fitness, there's stewardship. And we've talked a bit about
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: what the core beliefs in that are. My everything's integrated.
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  Speaker 3: I'm all one. God loves me. He made me this
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  Speaker 3: way for a reason. He didn't give me a meat
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  Speaker 3: sack that he hated, you know, like to wrestle with.
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  Speaker 3: But that there is this idea in the middle that
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  Speaker 3: I've been given this body, and I get the opportunity,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I have the responsibility to make the most.
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  Speaker 2: Of this thing.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: And so so that's my definition of stewardship, and that's
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: the definition I operate with when I speak that I
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: don't own it, I steward it. In your mind, when
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: it comes to health and fitness, what does stewardship mean
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  Speaker 3: to you? And if you have any comments about the
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: the spectrum of fitness, we can talk about that too.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: But I was I was curious about your thoughts there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree that we we live
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: in a culture that well of polarizing and endpoints right.
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  Speaker 4: So it's obsession and neglect are the two sort of sides.
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  Speaker 4: It's like it's over, I'm a neglect and and and
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Christ always brings us back to the middle right where
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: He's standing. And I think some of this goes back
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: to even even that idea of image. What what does
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: it mean to be created in the image of God.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: And in that word that is used salem in Hebrew
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: for image, it's the same same word that we would
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: use of an image that an ancient ruler set up
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: in a distant part of his kingdom, right, that that
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: image represents him, that represented that ruler. And in some
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: cases the people who live there wouldn't have even said
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: it's just a representation. It's a it's a physical expression
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  Speaker 4: in reality of who this person is in their rulership,
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: in their dominion over this space. It shows that this
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: ruler reigns here. Yes, and in a very I mean
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: it's the same word used of us creating the image
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: of God, the very image of God, Jesus creating the
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: very image of God. Right, he was the very image
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: and nature in very nature God. It's that same word.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: It's a lem and And there's something that we need
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: to take away from that we were created to show
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: all creation who rules and reigns to represent him. I mean,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: that's a high calling, very right, and it should a
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: humble me, right, it should humble me that it's it's
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: not about me, it's about him. It's about the creator himself.
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  Speaker 4: And it should also give me this unshakable confidence that
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: I've been made by him and for him to represent him,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: like he's given me authority in relationship with him, to
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: display his character to the world, Like that's so freaking cool.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: And that includes this physical body. I think part of
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: the problem is we assume that the image of God
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: is only non physical. I don't think that's the case
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: at all. I think I think there's because what did
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Moses see right when God passed by? He saw something?
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: And now God himself carries a human body in g
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Esus Christ right, who is the eternal second person of
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: the Godhead. So there is something to be said there,
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: which is why I think Paul would say, whether you
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  Speaker 4: eat or drink, do it to the glory of God.
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  Speaker 4: In all your actions and interactions using this body, you
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: are showing the world something of who he is, whether
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: that's accurate or inaccurate. And even that word fit, we
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: use that word fitness, which can can feel shaming to
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: some people. I don't feel fit. I don't feel like
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: because we have this false image in our head, we
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: have to look like Dwayne Johnson right to be fit,
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: or Chris Evans with his shirt off when he hasn't
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: had any water to drink for twenty four hours. Right,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Like that word fit means that you are suitable for
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: a purpose, suitably made for a purpose, as in this
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: bucket is fit to carry the water, right or or
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: this computer is fit to hold a zoom meeting on
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: m It's not. It's not something that the computer like
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: thought about and worried about and and was like obsessed about,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Like I got to have these great microchips, right, like
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: work the processors. Like that's important. It's absolutely important to
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: to care about my muscles, but not in an obsessive way.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: Not to It's not for vanity, it's for ability. It's
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: for ability. Am I am I a suitable vessel stewarding
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: the presence of God that lives in me by His
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Holy Spirit, who in dwells me as his temple, which
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: which is a temple, is made for worship, Like I
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: should be worshiping God with my body, because I think
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: that's really what stewardship comes down to, is it's about
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  Speaker 4: what I'm worshiping?
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  Speaker 2: Amen?
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Am I worshiping God with my body? Am I worshiping
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: God with my heart? Am I worshiping Him with my spirit?
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: My mind? Or? Or are there parts of me that
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: I'm holding back from him are there. And I don't
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: mean that even necessarily in a wilful, disobedient holding back
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: from him. But in some ways I hold parts of
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: me back from him because I'm too scared to let
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: him in when really what he wants to do, because
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: really I'm scared of what he might reveal. Right, Shame
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: is always going to push me to hide, yep, And
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: whether that's something I've done or something that's been done
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: to me. And the biggest tool that enemy has is
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: shame because it causes us to pull away and isolate.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: And what my good father wants to do is open
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: things up, reveal the broken pieces and parts of me
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: so he can heal them, which again continues to make
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: me a better vessel for stewarding his goodness and his
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: glory and his love and sharing it with the world.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: And I will say that from from for me like
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: the biggest the biggest difference in my physical both my
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: weight and my fitness, has been letting Jesus into those
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: darker parts of my story that I'm scared or I'm
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: not even aware of until he brings it up. You
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: talked about that the ugly cry while you're running. Like
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: you know, I can remember the first time I experienced that.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: It was just after a big group fitness experience and
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: the person leading the experience led us in some silent
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: reflection in prayer time, and man, I had an encounter
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: with the Lord that blew my mind and shook my
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: world in the most beautiful way, like the ugly cry
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: that then turned into a deep belly laugh because I
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: experienced the very presence of my heavenly Father and loving
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: the hell out of me literally, right, literally, yeah, yeah,
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: So stewardship Really, it's going back to worship. It's going
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: back to worship. And where is my value being placed?
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Where is my identity being found? Is it being found
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: in my six pack ads which I don't have? Is
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: it being found in Is it being found in my hairline? Right?
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: I mean that is it? Where is it being found?
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Is it being found in Christ? Because if it is,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: then how I behave, which is my physical body? How
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: I behave will follow.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I As you were speaking there. One of the things
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I I've meditated on and spent time on is is
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: we call it communion some denomination see it as a
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: sacrament or an activity or practice, and theologically, I I
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: don't want to cross any wires or mess anybody's mind
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: up on this front. But there was something Jesus said
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  Speaker 3: when he was breaking the bread and drinking the wine
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: with his disciples in the Last Supper. So in the
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: night he was betrayed. He took the bread and he
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: broke it, and he said, this is my body. It
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: would be broken for you. As often as you eat
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: of it, do so in remembrance of me. And he
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: did the same thing with the cup. He said, this
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: is my blood. We pour it out as a ransom
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: for many, and with it, I'm bringing a new covenant.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: As often as you drink of it, do so in
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: remembrance of me. And as Christians, this is you know,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: depending on your denominational bent and stuff, this is something
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: that you might come together as a congregation and do.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: You might do it often, you might do it infrequently.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: It might be on special occasions or whatever. But from
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: a nutritional perspective, there's so much nutrition advice in the world.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know your whole story. You
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: haven't sat down and told me over coffee, But I
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: know that if you're eighty pounds overweight. There is all
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: kinds of dietary advice that's been thrown at you and
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: that you probably tried right and either implemented and failed
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: at miserably, or it worked for a little while and
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: then it didn't right. But I wanted to speak to
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: the person listening who is like, Okay, I do want
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: to glorify God with my body. I'm not exactly sure
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: where to start. There's a lot of conflicting evidence and
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: information and stuff out there right that when I start
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: asking for help, it comes not necessarily in a godly fashion,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: but in a worldly fashion.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: And so I've tried a lot of things.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I wanted to say out loud that from a nutritional perspective,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of information out in the world about
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: nutrition science. But ultimately what it comes down to is Lord,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: teach me how to feed myself well, and the Holy
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Spirit can help you learn how to do that.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: There's there's definitely some science to the whole thing.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: There's definitely well traveled roads that could guide you along
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: the narrow way of nutrition and our abundant and hyper
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: palatable world. There's there's all that, right, but there is
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: this idea, and this is central to my my coaching practice.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: As often as I eat, as often as I take
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: food in, as often as I take drink, And how
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: do I do that in remembrance of Christ? Like like
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Paul said, whether you eat, whether you drink, do it, do.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: It to the glory of God.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: And I wanted to invite listeners if you haven't already
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: started this practice, to pray over your food before you eat,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: not because of what you know your grandpa told you about.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: You'll have a stomach ache if you don't.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: But but you have the opportunity to remember Christ, thank
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: God for the provision He's given you, but also to
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: make a decision was this right?
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Is this what I need to be eating right now?
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Is this is this good for me? Is this for
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: your glory?
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Or do I know somewhere deep down that this was
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: not going to be beneficial and not going to be positive?
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: And so I say that out loud to say there
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: are individuals who are listening to this who might have
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: a hard time knowing where to start. And I know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: like in your world, from a pastor's perspective but also
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: from a coach's perspective, you help people to start. So
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: either from your personal experience or from the experience of
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: working with individuals. I described one way we might start
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: from a nutritional perspective to bower head and give it
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: to God and ask, you know, Lord, show me show
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: me how to remember you well in my food. How
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: do you help individuals get started? Or what's something that
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: comes to heart and mind for you, for that listener
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: who's ready to integrate mind and body and start pursuing
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: God's will for their body and stewardship.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: What's that look like for you?
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so many different routes I could take there.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: I mean one one is it starts small, right, because
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: I love when when the Lord says in in zeph
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: and Iah, he says, do not despise the day of
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: small things. Yeah, small beginnings, right, A great a seed
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: the side of the size of a mustard seed becomes
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: this big plant. He says that the Kingdom of Heaven
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: is like a mustard seed, this tiny thing. It's like yeast.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: It's this tiny thing that can spread throughout. Start small,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: like there is like we all we all think we've
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: got to become something really fast. But you know, everything
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: that that becomes sustainable is something that started small and
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: was built upon right, So go for a walk, a
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: five minute walk, right, ten minute walk after a meal, Like,
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: I think what you said is so important to because
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: we don't stop, we don't take time to process. Okay,
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: what am I gonna eat? Why am I eating it?
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: It takes too much effort. And our culture is trying
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: to get us to move fast all the time. And
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: that's why we need fast food. Right because we're always
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: moving so fast, I don't have time. We've got to
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: create space for slowing down. And that includes praying before
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: we eat. Or it's I'm gonna go for a ten
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: minute walk after I eat. I mean so many good
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: things happen because of a walk in my body chemically, right,
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Like we're lowering, lowering a one C right there. Just
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: go for a walk or or start with I'm going
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: to keep a water bottle on my table or in
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: the car or whatever, and I'm gonna when it's empty,
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: i'm gonna refill it. I'm gonna drink it. Right, start
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: with water. So many of us are hungry because we're thirsty.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: We don't we don't know that hunger is being or
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: thirst is being masked as hunger. And if I were
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: to increase my hydration. I actually might find I'm not
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: as hungry as I thought I was. So starting with
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: hydration or starting with a small movement, just it doesn't
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: have to take a lot, right Or what's one thing
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: I can change in my diet right now, Like instead
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: of potato chips, I'm gonna have carrots. Just change that
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: one thing and see how you feel, right, pay attention
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: to how you feel again, it's the small things are
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: the things that lead to great change.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Very well said.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: And I also like to point listeners toward There's a
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: link in the show notes to Revelation Wellness as YouTube
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: channel and Revelation Wellness as resources online because that's where
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: you started, right, That's the place where where you heard
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: a podcast and words were spoken over you. And there's
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: there's opportunities within there to be connected in community.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing about being a Christian.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: You think, because because solitude is good and studying scripture
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: is good, you think.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: This is this is between you and God, and it is.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: But God also teaches us through his word not to
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: forsake gathering together as some are in the habit of
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: doing that, that that we we come together and are connected.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Think a zebra. Zebras are not camouflaged against the grass lands.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: They stick out like a sore thumb. Right, they're white
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: and black, they're white. Are they white with black stripes
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: or black with white that's a that's a that's a
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: fun question for God when we get to heaven. But anyway, so,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: so zebras are not camouflaged to the grasslands to protect
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: them from lions. And the scripture tells us that that
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: the enemy roams about like a hungry lion, seeking whom
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: he might devour. Do you know who is zebra is
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: camouflaged against others zebras. When you've got a bunch of
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: black and white striped zebras running together, they.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Don't get eaten so easily.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Right, And in the same way, if you're just starting
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: on this health and fitness journey, getting connected in community,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: even if it's virtual, even if it's a virtual community,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: being connected with a friend who's going to walk with you,
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: with somebody who's also making some changes to the nutrition,
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: with a community of people who are speaking scripture over
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: you while you're exercising on YouTube, you know, like in
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: your living room. Being connected in that way, you don't
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: have to do this thing alone. You can try, but
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: it'd be a lot better if you didn't. So I
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: would love for you to have the opportunity to speak
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: into that, and then I would also like to pray
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: over you and your ministry.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: Wess, thank you. Yeah, yeah, I would. I would say
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: that the word that Paul uses again, it's we live
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: in such an individualistic culture that we see everything every
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: you in scripture as me, oh you're talking to me.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: But the word that Paul uses when he says you
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: is really all y'all, all y'all in all y'all.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Like you're from Indiana. Man, I didn't know you heard
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: the all y'alls, right.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: It's like, so when he says you, do you not
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: know that you are the temple of the Holy spirits?
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Do you not know that all y'all together are the
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: temple of the Holy Spirit? Individual and it's collective and
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: we need one another. We were made for each other.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: And and that's another tool of the enemy to isolate us, right,
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: because he knows that he can isolate us. Man, we're
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: just in such danger. We're in such danger as isolated
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: individuals like that zebra all by itself. Yeah, And in Revelation,
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: wellness is a community where you are invited, as you
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: are to come and learn right, to come and be
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: together as we learn how to love God and love
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: our bodies and using these bodies as the primary tool
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: by which God calls us to spread the gospel to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: love people well. And we do that by people encountering
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: the transformational love of Jesus through deep spiritual healing and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: physical health practices. That's how we do it. And we've
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: got a ton of free resources on the website for you,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: and you are invited to come. We also do a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: training every year teaching health coaches. So we train health
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: coaches and we train fitness teachers. We call them fitness
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  Speaker 4: teacher gospel preachers, and that's another avenue of we do
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  Speaker 4: deep discipleship on these very conversations that Alex and I
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  Speaker 4: are having, and it's been transformational for me for sure.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, you're invited.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome, Thank you for that, brother, And close down
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  Speaker 3: every one of my interviews here by praying over the
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  Speaker 3: individual I'm interviewing and their ministry. So if you would
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  Speaker 3: bow your head with me so I can pray over you,
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  Speaker 3: Father God, thank you so much for this day. Thank
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  Speaker 3: you for the time I get to spend with my
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  Speaker 3: brother Wes, and thank you for the good work that
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  Speaker 3: you've done in his life and continue to do through
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  Speaker 3: his church and through his family. Lord, I pray a
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  Speaker 3: special blessing over him and his body and his mind,
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  Speaker 3: all of the parts integrated together, that he will steward
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  Speaker 3: them well for your kingdom, and that every person that
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  Speaker 3: he touches is blessed to do the same. I also
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  Speaker 3: pray Lord for the listeners in this podcast. God, I
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  Speaker 3: pray that if one person is listening here who has
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  Speaker 3: separated their mind and their body and they don't understand
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  Speaker 3: your love or feel your love, Lord, I pray that
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  Speaker 3: you will reveal yourself to them in a way that
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  Speaker 3: they can understand and in a way that changes them forever. God,
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  Speaker 3: let us not be individuals who do this thing alone,
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  Speaker 3: or who are prone to self worship or self neglect.
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  Speaker 3: Teach us to follow You mind, body, and spirit and
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  Speaker 3: Jesus name.
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  Speaker 2: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: Amen, Wes, thank you so much for your time and energy,
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  Speaker 3: And to the listeners, guys, you know what I'm about
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  Speaker 3: to say next. This has been coach Alex Van Houghton
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