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Another Major City ROCKED by Serial Killer Claims · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: So I want you to imagine something for a second.
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Speaker 1: Imagine you're just laying in bed, right?
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, we've all been there.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. The lights are off, it's late, and you're just
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Speaker 1: mindlessly scrolling through your social media feed.
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Speaker 2: Just letting the algorithm do its thing. Right.
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Speaker 1: The ambient glow of your phone is literally the only
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Speaker 1: light in the room. And then suddenly, you're served this video.
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Speaker 2: And it's never a calm video, is it?
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Speaker 1: No, of course not. It's got those blaring siren sound effects.
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Speaker 1: You know the ones. Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: The classic panic sounds.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's this ominous red text floating over a
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Speaker 1: really dark, blurry background.
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Speaker 2: Very cinematic.
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Speaker 1: Very intentional.
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Speaker 2: Very intentional.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And the creator of the video is staring dead
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Speaker 1: into the camera, looking super serious. And they're warning you
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Speaker 1: about a, quote, Bayou killer operating right now in a
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Speaker 1: major American city.
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Speaker 2: And they always claim that the bodies are just piling up. Right.
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Speaker 1: They say bodies are literally piling up in the water
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Speaker 1: day after day. They tell you the police aren't telling
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Speaker 1: the truth. They say you have to protect your family.
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Speaker 2: It's incredibly intense.
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Speaker 1: It really is. So I want you to think about
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Speaker 1: how you would react in that exact moment. Do you
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Speaker 1: feel like a spike of genuine icy panic?
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Speaker 2: Or do you feel a wave of immediate skepticism?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, or, and let's be totally honest with ourselves here,
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Speaker 1: Do you feel an overwhelming urge to just start playing
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Speaker 1: amateur detective?
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Speaker 2: I mean, that urge is such an incredibly potent psychological hook.
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Speaker 1: It really is. It pulls you right in.
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Speaker 2: Because that specific type of digital presentation, it actually bypasses
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Speaker 2: the rational, analytical part of your brain.
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Speaker 1: The prefrontal cortex, right?
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It bypasses that and taps directly into our primal
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Speaker 2: survival instincts. We are literally evolutionary wired to pay attention
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Speaker 2: to threats in our immediate environment.
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Speaker 1: Huh. So the phone screen kind of tricks us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a smartphone screen tricks our brain into thinking that
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Speaker 2: the threat is actually in the room with us.
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Speaker 1: Wow. You feel that urge to put the pieces together.
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Speaker 1: You want to solve it.
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Speaker 2: Because solving it makes you feel safe. Right.
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Speaker 1: And that exact instinct, that need to solve it, is
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Speaker 1: what totally paralyzed the city of Houston for an 11-day
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Speaker 1: window back in September.
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Speaker 2: It was an absolute frenzy.
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Speaker 1: A total frenzy. The entire city and eventually a massive
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Speaker 1: chunk of the whole internet Which is gripped by these
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Speaker 1: rumors surrounding a string of really tragic discoveries in the
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Speaker 1: city's waterway system.
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Speaker 2: Which is why we're doing this deep dive today.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. We are diving into a really detailed breakdown from
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Speaker 1: a long crime network broadcast. It features some incredible insights
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Speaker 1: from a criminologist, Dr. Debbie Goodman.
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Speaker 2: As well as a mountain of official law enforcement statements. Right.
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Speaker 1: And our mission for this deep dive is to untangle
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Speaker 1: this whole mess. We have to separate the terrifying, highly
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Speaker 1: clickable fiction... generated by those social media algorithms.
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Speaker 2: From the actual reality.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the sobering, methodical, and honestly often really frustrating reality
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Speaker 1: of modern criminal investigations.
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Speaker 2: Because, I mean, the distance between a viral 60-second video
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Speaker 2: and a scientific forensic investigation is just vast.
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Speaker 1: It's like two totally different universes.
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Speaker 2: It is, and navigating that chasm between them tells us
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Speaker 2: so much, not just about how crime is actually investigated,
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Speaker 2: but about our collective anxieties.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
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Speaker 2: Well, it exposes what we are willing to believe when
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Speaker 2: we're scared.
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Speaker 1: Oh, man, that is so true. Okay, so let's set
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Speaker 1: up the journey here. We're going to look at the
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Speaker 1: raw facts from Houston, right? Then we're going to analyze
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Speaker 1: the psychology behind these viral true crime rumors. We'll compare
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Speaker 1: it to similar panics in Austin and New England.
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Speaker 2: And finally, we'll reveal what data analytics actually tell us
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Speaker 2: about the real modern-day threat.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that part is going to blow your mind.
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Speaker 1: But let's start with the raw data from Houston, because...
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Speaker 1: The compression of time here is what really fueled the
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Speaker 1: whole fire.
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Speaker 2: The timeline is everything in this case. It is.
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Speaker 1: We are looking at a very specific, very chilling window.
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Speaker 1: Between September 15th and September 26th, six bodies were pulled
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Speaker 1: from the Houston Bayou system.
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Speaker 2: Now, we need to give some geographical context here because
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Speaker 2: Houston is massive.
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Speaker 1: It's basically a sprawling concrete jungle, right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is defined by its water management. The
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Speaker 2: city has this absolutely extensive network of waterways. We're talking
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Speaker 2: roughly 2,500 miles of bayous crisscrossing the urban sprawl.
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Speaker 1: Wait, 2,500 miles? Yes.
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Speaker 2: They aren't just isolated ponds in a park. These are
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Speaker 2: concrete channels, natural rivers, drainage systems.
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Speaker 1: They just weave through everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Neighborhoods, commercial districts, parks, you name it.
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Speaker 1: That geographical footprint is so vital to understand. I mean... 2,500 miles?
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Speaker 1: That is roughly the distance from Los Angeles to Washington, D.C.
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Speaker 2: That's a great way to visualize it. So while hearing
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Speaker 2: found in a bayou sounds like a really specific location
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Speaker 2: of someone living outside of Texas.
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Speaker 1: It really just means found outside.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. To a Houston resident, a bayou is just part
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Speaker 2: of the landscape.
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Speaker 1: But the thing is, the human brain doesn't process the
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Speaker 1: nuance of 2,500 miles. It just processes the headline, six bodies,
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Speaker 1: 11 days.
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Speaker 2: It creates a terrifying narrative.
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Speaker 1: It does. Let's walk through it. It starts on the
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Speaker 1: morning of September 15th. Police pull the body of a
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Speaker 1: 20-year-old woman, Jade Elise McKissick, from Braves Bayou.
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Speaker 2: She had gone missing four days earlier, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, after leaving a midtown bar and walking toward the water.
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Speaker 1: Initial reports indicated there were no signs of trauma.
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Speaker 2: Which is a crucial detail.
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Speaker 1: Right. But then, just hours later, on that exact same morning,
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Speaker 1: a second body is pulled from a completely different waterway,
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Speaker 1: hunting bayou.
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Speaker 2: Two discoveries in one single day. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: This one was later identified as 55-year-old Rodney Ricardo Chapman.
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Speaker 2: Now, when events happen in such close proximity like that,
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Speaker 2: we naturally, almost desperately, look for a pattern.
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Speaker 1: It's just human nature. It is.
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Speaker 2: It's actually an evolutionary survival trait called apophenia.
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Speaker 1: Apophenia. What is that exactly?
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Speaker 2: It's the psychological tendency to perceive meaningful connections between completely
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Speaker 2: unrelated things.
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Speaker 1: Oh, like seeing a face in a cloud, but with murder.
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Speaker 2: Precisely. You see two tragedies, your brain tries to link
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Speaker 2: them to predict the danger.
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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, the hits just kept coming. The very next day,
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Speaker 1: September 16th, a third body, 37-year-old Seth Joseph Hansen, is
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Speaker 1: recovered from White Oak Bayou.
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Speaker 2: Three bodies in two days. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Then two days after that, September 18th, a fourth body,
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Speaker 1: 51-year-old Arnaufel Alvarado found in Buffalo Bayou.
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Speaker 2: The hits are just relentless at this point.
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Speaker 1: And it continues. September 20th, a fifth body. 54-year-old Michael
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Speaker 1: Andrea Rice, also found in Buffalo Bayou.
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Speaker 2: And then there was one more, right? Yep.
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Speaker 1: Finally, on September 26th, a sixth body was spotted floating
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Speaker 1: downtown again in Buffalo Bayou. At the time, officials believed
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Speaker 1: it was a girl or a woman. She was unnamed
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Speaker 1: at first.
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Speaker 2: You can see how this creates a relentless sequence in
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Speaker 2: the media cycle. Every single time a resident opens their
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Speaker 2: news app, there is another discovery. It completely creates the
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Speaker 2: illusion of an accelerating unified threat.
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Speaker 1: Right. So I want to put this into a broader
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Speaker 1: statistical perspective for you guys listening. Those six discoveries brought
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Speaker 1: the total number of deaths in Houston's waterways to 15
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Speaker 1: for that current year.
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Speaker 2: Okay. So 15 up to that point in September. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And if you look at the entirety of the previous year, 2024,
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Speaker 1: there were 24 bodies recovered in total over the whole
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Speaker 1: 12 months.
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Speaker 2: Right. So logically, a mathematician would look at 15 deaths
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Speaker 2: by September and say, OK, we are actually tracking relatively
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Speaker 2: close to the annual average of 24.
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Speaker 1: It's totally normal statistical variance. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: But human beings do not experience life as a yearly
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Speaker 2: statistical average.
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Speaker 1: No, we definitely do not.
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Speaker 2: We experience life in real time. We experience the shock
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Speaker 2: of the new. And in real time, six bodies in
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Speaker 2: 11 days does not feel like a statistical variance.
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Speaker 1: It feels like an absolute explosion of danger.
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Speaker 2: Think of it like a coin toss. If you flip
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Speaker 2: a coin 10,000 times, it will be roughly 50% heads,
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Speaker 2: 50% tails.
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Speaker 1: Sure. Basic probability.
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Speaker 2: But you can still easily flip heads six times in
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Speaker 2: a row within that massive sample size. Right.
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Speaker 1: But when those heads represent human lives lost in murky waters...
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Speaker 1: We absolutely refuse to accept probability.
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Speaker 2: We demand a narrative. We want a reason.
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Speaker 1: It totally reminds me of an analogy. It's like someone
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Speaker 1: finding six flat tires in their neighborhood in one single week.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I like this.
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Speaker 1: Right. The immediate assumption is that there's a tire slasher
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Speaker 1: on the loose, a villain. Naturally. But no one stops
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Speaker 1: to assume that, hey, maybe one person ran over a nail.
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Speaker 1: Maybe another had a faulty valve. Maybe another hit a
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Speaker 1: massive pothole and three others just had old tires they
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Speaker 1: gave out in the sudden cold weather.
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Speaker 2: Because a mathematical cluster sounds exactly like a conspiracy to
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Speaker 2: the average person.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. At what point does a mathematical cluster become a
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Speaker 1: legitimate conspiracy in our minds? Usually immediately.
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Speaker 2: And this is where the social media algorithms act as
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Speaker 2: a massive accelerant.
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Speaker 1: Oh, throwing gasoline on the fire.
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Speaker 2: Right, because these platforms, they do not reward statistical analysis.
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Speaker 2: They do not reward nuanced discussions about probability and coin flips.
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Speaker 1: No. They reward emotional resonance.
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Speaker 2: Specifically, fear and outrage.
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Speaker 1: Which perfectly explains the visceral, intense reaction on TikTok and Instagram.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just concern.
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Speaker 1: No, it was a mobilized panic. I actually want to
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Speaker 1: read directly from one of the viral posts that was
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Speaker 1: racking up hundreds of thousands of views. Just to really
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Speaker 1: capture that raw sentiment for you guys.
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Speaker 2: Go for it.
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Speaker 1: The creator posted, quote, Somebody's going around smashing girls, men,
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Speaker 1: and they're leaving them in the different Braves Bayou. Check
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Speaker 1: for your family, man. Everybody look out for their family.
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Speaker 1: It's somebody's going around killing people all this week, end quote.
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Speaker 2: It's so revealing. Notice the singular pronoun there, somebody.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody's going around, one person.
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Speaker 2: One person doing this. The creator is completely ignoring the
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Speaker 2: wildly differing demographics of the actual victims. Right.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we had a 20-year-old young woman and then
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Speaker 1: several middle-aged men of totally different backgrounds.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. They are also ignoring the vast distances between the
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Speaker 2: different bayous across those 2,500 miles.
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Speaker 1: They just distill it all down.
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Speaker 2: They distill a highly complex, multi-layered urban reality into a simple, digestible,
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Speaker 2: terrifying narrative of a singular malevolent force, a boogeyman.
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Speaker 1: Think about how vulnerable you are to a compelling narrative
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Speaker 1: when it's packaged like that.
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Speaker 2: Especially when you're scrolling alone at night.
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Speaker 1: Right. You hear the raw statistics. Six bodies, 11 days.
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Speaker 1: And your brain just fills in the rest of the
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Speaker 1: blanks with every thriller movie you've ever watched.
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Speaker 2: And the algorithm is watching you watch the video.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It sees that you paused on the video. It
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Speaker 1: probably notices that your heart rate maybe ticked up a bit.
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Speaker 1: So what does it do? It serves you three more
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Speaker 1: videos just like it.
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Speaker 2: It creates a completely closed loop of panic.
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Speaker 1: And the sheer volume of videos being recommended to you
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Speaker 1: serves as false proof that the threat is real. Like,
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Speaker 1: everyone is talking about this. It must be a serial killer.
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Speaker 2: And that closed digital loop very quickly becomes a very
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Speaker 2: tangible problem in the physical world.
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Speaker 1: Because people start taking it to the streets.
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Speaker 2: They do. When public anxiety reaches a boiling point based
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Speaker 2: on a viral narrative, it creates a massive crisis of
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Speaker 2: confidence in public institutions.
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Speaker 1: People literally start accusing the police of a cover-up.
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Speaker 2: Which forces the hands of the people who actually have
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Speaker 2: to govern and police the city. They cannot wait for
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Speaker 2: the methodical wheels of science to turn.
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Speaker 1: They have to address the hysteria immediately. They have to
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Speaker 1: pump the brakes.
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Speaker 2: Which leads to a really fascinating clash between social media
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Speaker 2: speed and investigative patience.
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Speaker 1: So this brings us to the official response. City officials
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Speaker 1: had to step up to the microphones and try to
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Speaker 1: halt this runaway train of public opinion.
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Speaker 2: They presented a very unified front.
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Speaker 1: They did. Mayor John Whitmire, for instance, was visibly frustrated
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Speaker 1: by the situation. You could hear the pure exhaustion in
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Speaker 1: his voice when he was addressing these rumors.
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Speaker 2: I can imagine. Trying to govern during a viral panic
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Speaker 2: has to be awful.
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Speaker 1: Totally. He came out and said bluntly, quote, There is
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Speaker 1: no evidence that there is a serial killer loose on
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Speaker 1: the streets of Houston. If there was, you would hear
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Speaker 1: it from me first.
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Speaker 2: He was trying to establish himself as the primary source
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Speaker 2: of truth.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. He had to remind the public that drowning in
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Speaker 1: the bayous is tragically a known hazard in a city
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Speaker 1: defined by 2,500 miles of water.
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Speaker 2: And following the mayor, the chief of police, J. Noe Diaz,
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Speaker 2: stepped up.
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Speaker 1: Right, to back him up. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. He confirmed the recoveries by the dive team, obviously,
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Speaker 2: but he was emphatic that there was zero linked evidence.
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Speaker 1: No shared signatures.
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Speaker 2: No shared signatures at the scenes, no connective tissue between
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Speaker 2: the victims whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: But the most illuminating part of the official response, I think,
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Speaker 1: came from Captain Salam Zia.
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Speaker 2: He was the one who really tried to explain the process, right?
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Speaker 1: Yes. He walked reporters through each case, deliberately and slowly.
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Speaker 1: He kept hammering home the preliminary nature of the investigations.
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Speaker 2: Which is what people don't want to hear. They want finality.
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Speaker 1: True, but he noted that the cause and manner of
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Speaker 1: death were still pending autopsies by the medical examiner's office.
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Speaker 1: He was essentially begging the public to just let the
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Speaker 1: science do its job.
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Speaker 2: And that right there is the massive friction point in
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Speaker 2: this entire story.
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Speaker 1: How so?
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Speaker 2: Because the internet demands definitive answers in hours?
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Speaker 1: Sometimes minutes.
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Speaker 2: Right, but the medical examiner's office operates on a timeline
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Speaker 2: dictated by biology, and complex chemistry.
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Speaker 1: I think we really need to deconstruct this here because
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Speaker 1: pop culture has totally warped our understanding of forensic science.
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Speaker 2: CSI effect, basically.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. People watch a crime show and the medical examiner
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Speaker 1: shines a magical blue light on a body, looks at
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Speaker 1: a computer screen for five seconds and says, time of
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Speaker 1: death was 9 p.m. and he was poisoned with a
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Speaker 1: rare South American frog toxin.
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Speaker 2: If only it were that easy. Right.
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Speaker 1: Why does the actual physical reality of this take weeks
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Speaker 1: or sometimes months?
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Speaker 2: Well, the forensic challenges here are magnified exponentially because we
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Speaker 2: are dealing with water recoveries.
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Speaker 1: Water ruins everything, doesn't it?
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Speaker 2: Water is the absolute enemy of physical evidence. When a
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Speaker 2: body is submerged, the environment immediately begins scrubbing away the
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Speaker 2: very clues investigators need.
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Speaker 1: So it's literally washing the crime scene away.
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Speaker 2: Precisely. trace evidence like fibers from a suspect's clothing, gunshot residue,
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Speaker 2: or a suspect's DNA on the surface of the skin,
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Speaker 2: it is almost entirely washed away by the current.
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Speaker 1: So the environment itself is actively fighting the investigation from
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Speaker 1: minute one. That is incredibly frustrating.
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Speaker 2: It gets worse. Beyond just washing away evidence, water dramatically
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Speaker 2: alters the decomposition process.
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Speaker 1: Okay, how does that work?
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Speaker 2: It depends on the temperature of the water, the bacterial content,
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Speaker 2: and whether the water is moving or stagnant. A body
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Speaker 2: can undergo really rapid, bizarre changes.
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Speaker 1: Like what kind of changes?
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Speaker 2: Well, investigators often have to deal with something called saponification.
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Speaker 1: Saponification. That sounds like soap.
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Speaker 2: It is exactly like soap. It's a process where the
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Speaker 2: body's fatty tissue actually turns into a soap-like substance called adipocere. Oh, wow.
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Speaker 1: That is grim.
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Speaker 2: It is. And practically speaking, it can completely obscure physical
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Speaker 2: trauma on the body.
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Speaker 1: So a bruise or a cut might be completely hidden.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. And then you have the challenge of determining if
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Speaker 2: someone drowned before they went into the water or if
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Speaker 2: they were deceased before they were put into the water.
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Speaker 1: Wait, how do you even tell the difference if they're
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Speaker 1: soaking wet?
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Speaker 2: It's a highly complex pathological puzzle. It involves analyzing diatoms.
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Speaker 1: Diatoms?
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Speaker 2: They're microscopic algae. The medical examiner has to look for
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Speaker 2: diatoms in the lungs and the bone marrow of the
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Speaker 2: victim to see if they match the specific diatoms in
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Speaker 2: the water where the body was found.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I see. So if they inhaled the water, the
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Speaker 1: algae gets into their system. If they were already dead,
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't breathe it in.
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Speaker 2: Precisely. So you can see how the autopsy itself is
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Speaker 2: incredibly grueling and time-consuming.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely not a five-second scan with a blue light.
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Speaker 1: But Captain Zia also specifically mentioned waiting on toxicology.
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Speaker 2: Which is another massive hurdle.
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Speaker 1: Right, and I know checking for drugs, alcohol, or poisons
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Speaker 1: isn't just dipping a piece of litmus paper into a
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Speaker 1: blood sample.
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Speaker 2: Not at all.
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Speaker 1: It is a massive battery of tests. Toxicology is a
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Speaker 1: highly iterative process. Meaning they have to do it in stages?
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Speaker 2: Yes. First, scientists run an initial screen, often using something
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Speaker 2: called immunoassays. This is a very broad test.
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Speaker 1: Like a net to catch anything obvious?
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Speaker 2: Kind of. It essentially says, Yes, there appears to be
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Speaker 2: a class of drug present here, like an opiate or
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Speaker 2: a benzodiazepine, but it does not tell you exactly what
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Speaker 2: the specific drug is.
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Speaker 1: Or how much of it is in the system, I'm guessing.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It just gives the scientists a general direction to look.
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Speaker 1: So it's basically just a yellow flag on the play.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't tell you the exact penalty.
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Speaker 2: That is a perfect analogy. To find the exact penalty,
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Speaker 2: to use your terms, they have to perform confirmatory testing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and what does that involve?
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Speaker 2: This almost always involves gas chromatography combined with mass spectrometry.
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Speaker 2: We usually just call it GC-MS.
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Speaker 1: Okay, GC-MS. I've heard those letters thrown around in true
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Speaker 1: crime documentaries all the time, but how does that machinery
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Speaker 1: actually work?
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Speaker 2: Okay, think of gas chromatography as a highly complex racetrack
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Speaker 2: for molecules.
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Speaker 1: A molecular racetrack.
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Speaker 2: The scientist takes a tiny sample of blood or tissue
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Speaker 2: and literally vaporizes it into a gas.
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Speaker 1: They turn the evidence into smoke. Right.
18:10
Speaker 2: This gas is then pushed through a long, coiled, microscopic tube.
18:14
Speaker 2: And the inside of this tube is coated with a
18:16
Speaker 2: special chemical lining.
18:18
Speaker 1: Like a nonstick pan?
18:19
Speaker 2: Sort of, but the opposite. As the vaporized sample travels
18:22
Speaker 2: through the tube, different chemicals interact with that lining differently.
18:26
Speaker 2: Some chemicals stick to the sides and move very slowly,
18:28
Speaker 2: while others breeze right through without sticking.
18:31
Speaker 1: So they travel at different speeds based on what they are? Yes.
18:35
Speaker 2: Because every chemical has a unique molecular weight and structure,
18:38
Speaker 2: they cross the finish line at the end of the
18:41
Speaker 2: tube at very specific documented times.
18:44
Speaker 1: So you basically separate the soup into its individual ingredients
18:47
Speaker 1: based on how fast they run through this microscopic tube?
18:50
Speaker 2: That's exactly it. And as each ingredient crosses the finish line,
18:54
Speaker 2: it enters the mass spectrometer.
18:56
Speaker 1: And what does that part do?
18:57
Speaker 2: This machine essentially bombs the molecules with electrons. It shatters
19:01
Speaker 2: them into smaller fragments.
19:03
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Just destroys them.
19:05
Speaker 2: It does, but in a very predictable way. It then
19:08
Speaker 2: measures the mass and electrical charge of those fragments. Because
19:11
Speaker 2: every single substance on Earth shatters in a completely unique,
19:15
Speaker 2: recognizable pattern.
19:16
Speaker 1: Like a molecular fingerprint?
19:18
Speaker 2: A perfect molecular fingerprint. The computer reads that fingerprint and
19:22
Speaker 2: tells the toxicologist exactly what substance is present, down to
19:26
Speaker 2: the microscopic level.
19:27
Speaker 1: That sounds incredibly precise. But honestly, it also sounds incredibly
19:32
Speaker 1: time consuming to do that for every possible drug. It is.
19:36
Speaker 2: Preparing the samples takes time. Calibrating the machines takes time.
19:40
Speaker 2: Analyzing the data takes time.
19:42
Speaker 1: And that just tells you what is in there.
19:45
Speaker 2: Right. Once they identify the substance, they have to quantify it.
19:48
Speaker 2: They have to ask, was the level of alcohol or
19:51
Speaker 2: medication therapeutic? Was it lethal?
19:54
Speaker 1: Or was it just enough to severely disorient someone? Like,
19:58
Speaker 1: so they accidentally stumbled off a steep embankment into a
20:01
Speaker 1: bayou in the pitch dark.
20:02
Speaker 2: Exactly. And all of this has to be done flawlessly
20:06
Speaker 2: because the results have to hold up in a aggressive
20:10
Speaker 2: cross-examination by defense attorneys.
20:12
Speaker 1: You can't rush the science if you want a conviction
20:14
Speaker 1: to stick.
20:16
Speaker 2: Furthermore, we have to consider the logistics of a major city.
20:19
Speaker 2: The Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences is handling cases
20:22
Speaker 2: for millions of people.
20:25
Speaker 1: There has to be a systemic backlog.
20:27
Speaker 2: A massive one. These machines are running 24-7, processing overdoses,
20:33
Speaker 2: car accidents, homicides, and unexplained deaths from all over the county.
20:37
Speaker 2: You do not just jump to the front of the
20:39
Speaker 2: line because a TikTok video is making a fuss.
20:42
Speaker 1: Which creates this massive cultural tension that we're talking about.
20:46
Speaker 2: It's the friction between the digital age and physical reality.
20:50
Speaker 1: Exactly. The police are essentially asking a hyper-connected, fast-paced society
20:54
Speaker 1: to just sit in the extreme discomfort of, we do
20:57
Speaker 1: not know yet.
20:58
Speaker 2: And we hate that.
21:00
Speaker 1: We despise it. We have supercomputers in our pockets. I
21:03
Speaker 1: can get a pad tied delivered to my door in
21:05
Speaker 1: 20 minutes. I can ask a search engine a question
21:07
Speaker 1: and get a billion results in 0.2 seconds.
21:10
Speaker 2: But when it comes to the most consequential question imaginable.
21:14
Speaker 1: How did these six human beings die?
21:16
Speaker 2: The authorities are saying, check back in eight weeks.
21:19
Speaker 1: It's maddening for the public.
21:21
Speaker 2: It does.
21:22
Speaker 1: But nature abhors a vacuum, right?
21:24
Speaker 2: It does. When official verified information is absent because it's
21:27
Speaker 2: scientifically pending, speculation just rushes in to fill that void.
21:32
Speaker 1: But as Dr. Debbie Goodman points out in the long
21:34
Speaker 1: crime broadcast, law enforcement cannot bend to that pressure.
21:38
Speaker 2: They absolutely cannot.
21:39
Speaker 1: To do so without evidence would be deeply irresponsible. It
21:43
Speaker 1: would induce catastrophic, totally unwarranted panic.
21:46
Speaker 2: Exactly. So while they wait for the science, they have
21:49
Speaker 2: to rely on a different set of tools. Right.
21:52
Speaker 1: So if the physical evidence is compromised by the water
21:55
Speaker 1: and the toxicology is going to take months to come back,
21:58
Speaker 1: how do experts actually start evaluating if a serial killer
22:01
Speaker 1: is at work right now?
22:03
Speaker 2: If you can't rely entirely on the physical clues right away,
22:06
Speaker 2: you have to look at the behavioral clues.
22:09
Speaker 1: This brings us to Dr. Goodman's criminological toolkit. Let's unpack that.
22:13
Speaker 2: This is where we pivot from the physical science of
22:15
Speaker 2: the medical examiner's office to the behavioral science of criminology.
22:19
Speaker 1: Okay, so how do they look for patterns without the toxicology? Dr.
22:23
Speaker 2: Goodman laid out a really clear framework for how investigators
22:26
Speaker 2: approach these potential clusters when the physical evidence is murky.
22:29
Speaker 2: They are searching for fact patterns.
22:32
Speaker 1: Fact patterns?
22:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, they use the absolute fundamentals of investigative journalism, the
22:36
Speaker 2: five W's and the H. Who, what, when, where, why,
22:40
Speaker 2: and how.
22:41
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds so basic. Almost too simple for
22:44
Speaker 1: a highly complex murder investigation.
22:46
Speaker 2: It sounds basic, but applying that framework rigidly to a
22:49
Speaker 2: disparate series of deaths is incredibly rigorous work. Let's start
22:53
Speaker 2: with the who.
22:54
Speaker 1: Victimology, right?
22:56
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:56
Speaker 1: Dr. Goodman stressed that this is often the very first
22:58
Speaker 1: cornerstone of linking cases together.
23:01
Speaker 2: Yes, victimology is the deep study of the victims themselves.
23:04
Speaker 2: Investigators look for a demographic throughline.
23:07
Speaker 1: Like, are the victims all of a similar age? Are
23:10
Speaker 1: they the same gender?
23:11
Speaker 2: Exactly. Do they share a similar socioeconomic background? A specific profession,
23:16
Speaker 2: or do they engage in a specific high-risk lifestyle?
23:19
Speaker 1: Because serial killers, historically, they hunt in very specific pools,
23:23
Speaker 1: don't they?
23:23
Speaker 2: They do. They almost always have a target demographic that
23:26
Speaker 2: fulfills a very specific psychological compulsion for them.
23:29
Speaker 1: But when we look back at the Houston cluster, the
23:32
Speaker 1: victimology is totally shattered. It's all over the place.
23:35
Speaker 2: There is no through line.
23:36
Speaker 1: We have a 20-year-old young woman. We have a 55-year-old man.
23:39
Speaker 1: We have a 37-year-old man, a 51-year-old man, a 54-year-old man.
23:44
Speaker 1: And another unidentified female. Right.
23:46
Speaker 2: There is absolutely no clear demographic thread connecting a young
23:49
Speaker 2: woman leaving a midtown bar with a 55-year-old man found
23:53
Speaker 2: in a completely different waterway on the same exact day.
23:56
Speaker 1: Which is a massive deviation from the historical patterns of
23:59
Speaker 1: serial murder.
24:00
Speaker 2: Dr. Blank, Goodman actually points to the grim history of
24:03
Speaker 2: these crimes to really illustrate the point. If you study
24:06
Speaker 2: someone like Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy.
24:09
Speaker 1: Their victimology was chillingly consistent.
24:11
Speaker 2: Tragically consistent. primarily young men and boys. They targeted a
24:16
Speaker 2: specific demographic that they felt they could easily manipulate and overpower.
24:20
Speaker 1: And even in modern ongoing cases, we see this exact
24:23
Speaker 1: same pattern. Look at Rex Howerman, the suspect in the
24:26
Speaker 1: Gilgo Beach murders in New York.
24:28
Speaker 2: A perfect modern example.
24:30
Speaker 1: The entire alleged pattern there is brutally focused on young
24:34
Speaker 1: women involved in the sex trade who were often physically petite.
24:39
Speaker 1: The killer had a type, a specific profile they were hunting.
24:42
Speaker 2: Now, to be fair, there are rare exceptions in criminology
24:45
Speaker 2: where the victimology appears scattered.
24:47
Speaker 1: Like who?
24:48
Speaker 2: Dr. Goodman mentions Dennis Rader, the BTK killer in Kansas. Oh, right.
24:52
Speaker 2: His victim patterns were much broader. He targeted an entire family,
24:56
Speaker 2: the Oteros, but later he targeted single women and even children.
25:00
Speaker 1: So he didn't have a strict type.
25:02
Speaker 2: He didn't. However, Rader is largely considered an outlier in
25:06
Speaker 2: terms of victim selection. He was driven by a different
25:09
Speaker 2: set of really complex power dynamics. Gotcha. But in the vast,
25:14
Speaker 2: vast majority of cases, a lack of a cohesive victim
25:17
Speaker 2: profile is a major red flag against the theory of
25:19
Speaker 2: a single serial killer. The Houston victims simply do not
25:23
Speaker 2: fit a unified psychological target.
25:25
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the who. And then you have to
25:28
Speaker 1: look at the how, the methodology.
25:30
Speaker 2: The ammo, the signature.
25:31
Speaker 1: Right. If a killer uses a knife, they generally keep
25:34
Speaker 1: using a knife because they are comfortable with it. If
25:37
Speaker 1: they strangle, they keep strangling.
25:39
Speaker 2: They stick to what works for them.
25:41
Speaker 1: And the authorities in Houston were very clear. There was
25:43
Speaker 1: no evidence of a shared signature or consistent physical trauma
25:47
Speaker 1: across these bodies.
25:48
Speaker 2: None at all.
25:50
Speaker 1: But beyond just the physical act of the murder, Dr.
25:52
Speaker 1: Goodman brought up a really fascinating societal shift that fundamentally
25:56
Speaker 1: changes the how.
25:58
Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite points she makes. She
26:00
Speaker 2: calls it the modern-day obstacle course for criminals.
26:03
Speaker 1: I love that phrase.
26:05
Speaker 2: Dr. Goodman asserts that it is exponentially more difficult to
26:08
Speaker 2: be a serial killer today compared to, say, the golden
26:10
Speaker 2: age of serial murder in the 1970s and 80s.
26:14
Speaker 1: Why is that?
26:15
Speaker 2: Because the entire landscape of society has fundamentally changed into
26:18
Speaker 2: a massive surveillance state.
26:20
Speaker 1: I mean, we are tracked at almost every single moment
26:23
Speaker 1: of our lives, whether we actively acknowledge it or not.
26:26
Speaker 2: We carry tracking devices voluntarily.
26:29
Speaker 1: Right. The ubiquitous cell phone in your pocket is essentially
26:32
Speaker 1: a geolocator, constantly communicating your exact whereabouts.
26:35
Speaker 2: Exactly. And it's not just GPS, which you can turn off.
26:39
Speaker 2: Your phone is constantly pinging the nearest cell phone towers
26:41
Speaker 2: just to maintain a basic signal.
26:43
Speaker 1: So even if you think you're off the grid, you're not.
26:46
Speaker 2: You're really not. Investigators can use something called trilateration. They
26:50
Speaker 2: measure the time it takes for a signal from your
26:52
Speaker 2: phone to reach three different distinct cell towers.
26:55
Speaker 1: Oh, triangulation, essentially.
26:57
Speaker 2: And they can use that to pinpoint a phone's location
26:59
Speaker 2: with astonishing accuracy, even if the GPS is totally turned off.
27:04
Speaker 2: So if a victim and a suspect are in the
27:06
Speaker 2: same geographic area at the same time, their digital footprints
27:10
Speaker 2: almost always overlap in those massive cell tower data dumps.
27:14
Speaker 1: And that's just the abstract data floating in the air.
27:17
Speaker 1: The actual visual surveillance is staggering.
27:20
Speaker 2: It is everywhere.
27:22
Speaker 1: We have traffic cameras reading license plates at practically every
27:25
Speaker 1: major intersection. Businesses have high-definition security cameras pointing right at
27:29
Speaker 1: the sidewalks.
27:30
Speaker 2: You can't walk down a commercial street unrecorded.
27:33
Speaker 1: And perhaps most importantly, Residential neighborhoods are completely blanketed by
27:37
Speaker 1: ring cameras and smart doorbells.
27:39
Speaker 2: That's the real game changer.
27:40
Speaker 1: It is. We have essentially built a localized, crowdsourced mesh
27:44
Speaker 1: network of surveillance on every single front porch in America.
27:48
Speaker 2: Decades ago, a killer could commit a crime, cross a
27:51
Speaker 2: state line, and effectively vanish into thin air. Jurisdictions didn't
27:54
Speaker 2: share information, databases weren't linked, and physical tracking was incredibly minimal.
27:59
Speaker 1: You could just be a ghost.
28:01
Speaker 2: But today, your digital shadow betrays you before you even
28:04
Speaker 2: realize you've cast one. And that's before we even discuss
28:07
Speaker 2: the absolute quantum leaps in forensic science.
28:10
Speaker 1: You mean DNA?
28:11
Speaker 2: Specifically, rapid DNA analysis and genetic genealogy.
28:15
Speaker 1: Okay. Genetic genealogy is the one that really seems to
28:18
Speaker 1: have closed the door on the whole unsolvable cold case thing.
28:21
Speaker 2: It is totally revolutionary. In the past, if investigators found
28:25
Speaker 2: DNA at a crime scene, they could only compare it
28:27
Speaker 2: to the FBI's CODIS database.
28:29
Speaker 1: And that database only has criminals in it, right?
28:32
Speaker 2: Exactly. It only contains DNA from people who have been
28:35
Speaker 2: previously arrested or convicted of certain crimes. So if the
28:38
Speaker 2: killer wasn't already in the system, the DNA was just
28:41
Speaker 2: a dead end.
28:41
Speaker 1: A total wall.
28:43
Speaker 2: But genetic genealogy bypassed that limitation entirely. Okay.
28:46
Speaker 1: Let's explain how that works, practically speaking, because it seems
28:50
Speaker 1: like magic when you read the headlines about it.
28:52
Speaker 2: It is a brilliant combination of advanced genetics and old-fashioned
28:56
Speaker 2: archival research. Investigators take the unknown suspect's DNA from the
28:59
Speaker 2: crime scene and they upload a specific profile of it
29:03
Speaker 2: to commercial public genealogy databases.
29:06
Speaker 1: Like GEDmatch?
29:07
Speaker 2: Yes, places where average people voluntarily upload their DNA just
29:10
Speaker 2: to find distant relatives or learn about their ancestry.
29:13
Speaker 1: So the police aren't looking for the killer of the database.
29:16
Speaker 1: They are looking for the killer's cousins.
29:19
Speaker 2: Exactly right. The database might spit back a match for, say,
29:23
Speaker 2: a third or fourth cousin.
29:24
Speaker 1: Of the suspect. Okay, and then what?
29:27
Speaker 2: From there, highly specialized genealogists build massive family trees backward.
29:32
Speaker 2: Sometimes they trace the lineage back into the 1800s to
29:35
Speaker 2: find a common ancestor.
29:36
Speaker 1: That's incredible.
29:38
Speaker 2: Then they build the tree forward. They trace every marriage,
29:41
Speaker 2: every birth, and every death until they narrow it down
29:44
Speaker 2: to a specific branch of the family.
29:46
Speaker 1: So they're hunting down the family tree?
29:48
Speaker 2: Yes, and eventually they narrow it down to a specific
29:51
Speaker 2: set of brothers in the modern day. They look at ages, locations,
29:55
Speaker 2: and criminal histories, and they narrow it down to one
29:58
Speaker 2: single suspect.
29:59
Speaker 1: And then they just go get them.
30:01
Speaker 2: They follow that suspect. They quietly collect a discarded coffee
30:05
Speaker 2: cup or a cigarette butt, test that fresh DNA against
30:08
Speaker 2: the crime scene DNA, and the trap snaps shut. It's
30:12
Speaker 2: game over. The margin for error for a criminal today
30:15
Speaker 2: is microscopic.
30:17
Speaker 1: But wait, let me push back on this idea just
30:19
Speaker 1: a little bit. This idea that the modern world has
30:21
Speaker 1: basically eradicated the serial killer.
30:24
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.
30:25
Speaker 1: You just brought up Rex Horman in New York. He
30:28
Speaker 1: allegedly operated for years in the modern era, totally surrounded
30:31
Speaker 1: by cell phones and cameras.
30:33
Speaker 2: That's true.
30:34
Speaker 1: And the Golden State Killer terrorized California and lived a
30:36
Speaker 1: free life for decades before genetic genealogy finally caught him
30:40
Speaker 1: when he was an old man.
30:41
Speaker 2: Yes, he had a long run.
30:43
Speaker 1: It seems like arrogance isn't just a delusion. Sometimes it
30:46
Speaker 1: actually works for a while. Do these killers just not
30:50
Speaker 1: care about the cameras, or are they genuinely convinced they
30:53
Speaker 1: are just smarter than a cell tower?
30:55
Speaker 2: That is the core paradox of the psychopathic profile. It
30:59
Speaker 2: is a really potent, dangerous mixture of both of those things.
31:02
Speaker 1: Okay.
31:03
Speaker 2: There is profound narcissism, an arrogant belief that they are
31:06
Speaker 2: uniquely brilliant and entirely capable of outsmarting the police, the cameras,
31:10
Speaker 2: and the science. They deeply believe the rules of probability
31:14
Speaker 2: apply to everyone but them.
31:16
Speaker 1: But the technology did eventually catch Horman. The technology did
31:19
Speaker 1: eventually catch the Golden State Killer. Yes.
31:22
Speaker 2: And that is the crucial point to remember. The technology
31:26
Speaker 2: shrinks the window of opportunity, but it doesn't necessarily eliminate
31:30
Speaker 2: the fundamental impulse to kill.
31:32
Speaker 1: The urge is still there. Exactly.
31:35
Speaker 2: When someone is driven by a deep psychosexual compulsion to
31:38
Speaker 2: commit murder, the rational understanding of risk, the logical knowledge
31:42
Speaker 2: of those ring cameras and cell towers, is often totally
31:46
Speaker 2: overridden by the primal, irresistible urge to commit the act.
31:50
Speaker 1: So they just can't stop themselves even if they know
31:52
Speaker 1: they might get caught.
31:53
Speaker 2: They might try to take precautions using burner phones, avoiding
31:57
Speaker 2: main roads, but their compulsion ultimately makes them sloppy. The
32:01
Speaker 2: technology doesn't act as a perfect deterrent to the impulse.
32:04
Speaker 2: It just ensures that the timeline to capture is drastically,
32:07
Speaker 2: drastically shortened.
32:09
Speaker 1: It is chilling to think that the presence of a
32:12
Speaker 1: camera doesn't stop the monster. It merely records them for
32:15
Speaker 1: the eventual trial.
32:17
Speaker 2: It's a dark reality. It is.
32:19
Speaker 1: But despite all these massive technological hurdles we just discussed,
32:24
Speaker 1: And despite the total lack of victimology in Houston, the
32:27
Speaker 1: public still leaps to the serial killer conclusion the second
32:30
Speaker 1: bodies are found in the water.
32:32
Speaker 2: Every single time.
32:33
Speaker 1: And Houston isn't operating in a vacuum here. The specific
32:37
Speaker 1: brand of digital hysteria over water deaths has happened before.
32:41
Speaker 2: It's practically a repeating cycle.
32:43
Speaker 1: We can look at a neighboring city that went through
32:45
Speaker 1: this exact same panic just recently. It provides a perfect
32:49
Speaker 1: blueprint for how these rumors operate.
32:51
Speaker 2: It is a textbook case of how digital paranoia absolutely
32:55
Speaker 2: collides with physical geographic reality.
32:58
Speaker 1: Let's shift our focus a few hours west to Austin, Texas,
33:02
Speaker 1: specifically to the area surrounding Lady Bird Lake.
33:05
Speaker 2: The statistics out of Austin are startling on their face,
33:08
Speaker 2: you have to admit.
33:09
Speaker 1: They really are. Since 2022, there have been at least
33:13
Speaker 1: 14 deaths associated with this lake.
33:16
Speaker 2: 14 is a huge number.
33:18
Speaker 1: It's massive. And just like we saw in Houston. the
33:21
Speaker 1: social media ecosystem immediately birthed the boogeyman.
33:24
Speaker 2: Oh, they even gave it a catchy name online.
33:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, generating endless theories about the Rainy Street Ripper, or
33:31
Speaker 1: this Austin serial killer who was targeting young men and
33:34
Speaker 1: pushing them into the dark water.
33:36
Speaker 2: And we see the exact same pattern of official response here.
33:39
Speaker 2: The Austin Police Department has consistently and forcefully emphasized that
33:43
Speaker 2: there is absolutely no evidence of a serial killer or
33:47
Speaker 2: foul play linking these drownings.
33:49
Speaker 1: But The sheer volume of incidents, 14 deaths, creates a
33:53
Speaker 1: heavy gravity. It keeps the rumors orbiting in the public consciousness.
33:57
Speaker 2: Let's examine some of the specific cases mentioned in our
34:00
Speaker 2: sources to understand the reality on the ground there.
34:02
Speaker 1: Good idea.
34:03
Speaker 2: In February of 2023, 30-year-old Jason John was found dead
34:07
Speaker 2: in the lake.
34:08
Speaker 1: And the internet lit up with murder theories immediately.
34:11
Speaker 2: Instantly. But the Travis County Medical Examiner conducted a highly
34:15
Speaker 2: thorough investigation and ultimately ruled it an accidental drowning. They
34:19
Speaker 2: concluded he likely lost his footing and fell while walking
34:22
Speaker 2: along the dark trail at night.
34:23
Speaker 1: And then there was another one a few months later, right? Yes.
34:26
Speaker 2: In April, the body of Christopher Hayes Clark was recovered. Again,
34:30
Speaker 2: police stated there was no evidence of foul play.
34:32
Speaker 1: Though his loved ones publicly questioned the circumstances, which honestly
34:36
Speaker 1: is completely understandable.
34:37
Speaker 2: It is. It's incredibly hard to accept. Now, it is
34:41
Speaker 2: vital to introduce nuance here. We are not saying that
34:44
Speaker 2: Lady Bird Lake is a pristine, perfectly safe environment devoid
34:47
Speaker 2: of crime. Right.
34:48
Speaker 1: It's a major city. Things happen.
34:50
Speaker 2: The sources actually highlight an outlier case from 2022 where
34:54
Speaker 2: a 45-year-old man was actually shot while driving a vehicle
34:57
Speaker 2: near the lake. The perpetrator in that case was subsequently
35:00
Speaker 2: arrested and convicted.
35:02
Speaker 1: So crime does happen there.
35:04
Speaker 2: It's an urban environment. But the crimes and tragedies that
35:08
Speaker 2: do occur vary widely in motive and execution. A shooting
35:12
Speaker 2: in a vehicle is entirely disconnected from a slip and
35:15
Speaker 2: fall drowning on a trail.
35:17
Speaker 1: They are separate, deeply tragic events.
35:19
Speaker 2: Right. Not the orchestrated work of one shadowy figure hunting
35:23
Speaker 2: in the reeds.
35:25
Speaker 1: So if the authorities have conclusively ruled out a serial killer,
35:30
Speaker 1: what is actually causing this cluster of deaths in Austin?
35:34
Speaker 2: This requires us to examine the critical difference between environmental
35:38
Speaker 2: hazards and criminal intent.
35:40
Speaker 1: Okay. Break that down.
35:42
Speaker 2: The reality that the authorities presented regarding Lady Bird Lake
35:45
Speaker 2: is a highly dangerous, almost tragic recipe of environmental and
35:50
Speaker 2: behavioral factors.
35:51
Speaker 1: What's the recipe?
35:53
Speaker 2: You have a body of water that is bordered by
35:55
Speaker 2: popular hiking and biking trails. And crucially, these trails are
35:59
Speaker 2: in very close proximity to Rainy Street.
36:03
Speaker 1: And Rainy Street is a huge bar district, right? Yes.
36:06
Speaker 2: It is a massive hub for nightlife and heavy alcohol consumption.
36:10
Speaker 1: So you basically have... Large crowds of people, heavily consuming alcohol,
36:15
Speaker 1: leaving bars late at night and walking home via dark
36:18
Speaker 1: paths that border a deep lake.
36:20
Speaker 2: Yes, you combine impaired judgment and reduced physical coordination from
36:24
Speaker 2: alcohol with easy access to dark, unlit, often steep paths
36:29
Speaker 2: leading down to the water.
36:31
Speaker 1: It's a geographic hazard.
36:32
Speaker 2: It is an environment that is entirely unforgiving to a
36:35
Speaker 2: single misstep in the dark. In the pitch black, someone
36:38
Speaker 2: who is heavily disoriented might step off the path to
36:41
Speaker 2: relieve themselves or try to take a shortcut to a
36:44
Speaker 2: different street.
36:45
Speaker 1: And then they just slip.
36:46
Speaker 2: A slip on a steep, muddy bank into dark, cold
36:49
Speaker 2: water can be instantly fatal. The shock of the water
36:52
Speaker 2: combined with intoxication makes it incredibly difficult to self-rescue.
36:56
Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. To their credit, the city
36:59
Speaker 1: of Austin recognized this reality and responded to it.
37:03
Speaker 2: They didn't respond with a manhunt.
37:05
Speaker 1: No, they responded with infrastructure. They didn't deploy SWAT teams
37:09
Speaker 1: to look for a ghost. They treated it as a
37:11
Speaker 1: severe public safety hazard.
37:13
Speaker 2: Which is the logical thing to do.
37:15
Speaker 1: They invested in improving the lighting along the trails. They
37:18
Speaker 1: added robust fencing to block off the most dangerous drop-offs.
37:21
Speaker 1: And they implemented community safety programs. They approached it as
37:24
Speaker 1: an engineering and environmental problem.
37:27
Speaker 2: But acknowledging that reality forces us to confront a profound
37:31
Speaker 2: psychological barrier.
37:32
Speaker 1: The grief.
37:33
Speaker 2: Yes. It is incredibly difficult for a grieving family, and
37:36
Speaker 2: by extension, an alarmed public, to accept that a healthy,
37:39
Speaker 2: vibrant young person simply tripped in the dark, hit their head,
37:43
Speaker 2: and drowned in three feet of water.
37:45
Speaker 1: I think anyone who has experienced sudden loss can understand
37:48
Speaker 1: that feeling. If someone you love is taken from you abruptly,
37:52
Speaker 1: you want their death to mean something.
37:54
Speaker 2: You need it to make sense.
37:55
Speaker 1: You want there to be a grand narrative, a reason,
37:58
Speaker 1: someone to blame, a villain to hold accountable. The idea
38:02
Speaker 1: that a beautiful life can be extinguished by a wet rock,
38:06
Speaker 1: a bad pair of shoes, and a momentary loss of balance...
38:10
Speaker 1: It's devastating. It's almost too nihilistic to bear. It feels unacceptable.
38:15
Speaker 2: That is the emotional core of this entire phenomenon. The
38:18
Speaker 2: serial killer narrative, as inherently terrifying as it is, provides
38:23
Speaker 2: something bizarrely comforting.
38:25
Speaker 1: A tangible villain.
38:27
Speaker 2: Exactly. A monster gives the tragedy structure... A monster can
38:30
Speaker 2: be hunted, a monster can be identified, arrested, put on trial,
38:34
Speaker 2: and locked in a cage forever.
38:35
Speaker 1: That process offers a defined path to justice and closure.
38:39
Speaker 2: But you cannot arrest a dark path. You cannot put
38:41
Speaker 2: a steep riverbank in handcuffs. You cannot cross-examine gravity.
38:46
Speaker 1: Wow. We literally invent the monster because the utter randomness
38:50
Speaker 1: and chaotic indifference of the universe is far more terrifying.
38:55
Speaker 2: We would rather believe in an evil, calculating mastermind than
38:58
Speaker 2: accept a completely meaningless, preventable accident.
39:02
Speaker 1: And this is exactly where social media algorithms exploit our
39:05
Speaker 1: most vulnerable, deeply human coping mechanisms.
39:09
Speaker 2: The algorithm amplifies the monster narrative because a hunt for
39:12
Speaker 2: a killer generates massive engagement, debate, and fear. Right.
39:16
Speaker 1: A grounded discussion about municipal lighting budgets, fence heights, and
39:20
Speaker 1: the dangers of binge drinking does not go viral on TikTok.
39:24
Speaker 2: It definitely does not.
39:26
Speaker 1: Now, in Austin, there were real environmental dangers that require
39:29
Speaker 1: municipal action. The rumors, while totally unfounded, were born from
39:33
Speaker 1: a genuine geographic hazard.
39:35
Speaker 2: A real physical danger.
39:37
Speaker 1: But what happens when the online sleuthing completely detaches from
39:41
Speaker 1: any physical reality and crosses over into active, damaging, manufactured misinformation?
39:47
Speaker 2: It gets really dark really fast.
39:50
Speaker 1: Because the internet doesn't just stop at theorizing about tragic accidents.
39:54
Speaker 1: Sometimes entire communities decide to invent a conspiracy out of
39:58
Speaker 1: thin air, with devastating consequences for real-world investigations.
40:03
Speaker 2: To fully understand that escalation, we have to look beyond Texas.
40:06
Speaker 2: We have to examine how this phenomenon manifested in a
40:09
Speaker 2: completely different geographic region.
40:11
Speaker 1: Proving that this is not just a localized, regional issue.
40:15
Speaker 2: No, it is a fundamental problem with our entire digital culture.
40:19
Speaker 1: Let's expand the scope dramatically to New England. Over a
40:22
Speaker 1: span of several months, 11 bodies were discovered across a
40:26
Speaker 1: tri-state area.
40:27
Speaker 2: Rhode Island, Connecticut and Massachusetts, right? Yep.
40:31
Speaker 1: And once again, the sheer number of bodies clustered across
40:34
Speaker 1: neighboring states in a relatively short time frame sent the
40:37
Speaker 1: Internet sleuths into absolute overdrive.
40:40
Speaker 2: The ingredients for a viral panic were all there. multiple victims,
40:44
Speaker 2: a compressed timeline, and a public primed and eager to
40:48
Speaker 2: connect the dots between seemingly unrelated events.
40:51
Speaker 1: But the cold, hard reality of these cases starkly contradicted
40:55
Speaker 1: the elaborate theories being spun online. Let's zero in on
40:58
Speaker 1: one specific case from this cluster that really poured gasoline
41:02
Speaker 1: on the fire.
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Speaker 2: Which one?
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Speaker 1: The discovery in Groton, Connecticut. This was the case of
41:07
Speaker 1: 58-year-old Suzanne Worms. And I have to warn you guys listening,
41:11
Speaker 1: the details here are Incredibly grim.
41:14
Speaker 2: They are very tough to hear.
41:16
Speaker 1: She was found dismembered and her remains were stuffed into
41:19
Speaker 1: a suitcase.
41:21
Speaker 2: Objectively speaking, when the general public hears the phrase dismembered
41:25
Speaker 2: and stuffed into a suitcase, the immediate understandable reaction is
41:29
Speaker 2: to assume the work of a highly organized predatory serial killer.
41:33
Speaker 1: It sounds like the hallmark signature of a psychopath.
41:37
Speaker 2: Someone who views human beings as disposable objects. Someone going
41:40
Speaker 2: to extreme calculated lengths to conceal their crime.
41:44
Speaker 1: It sounds like something straight out of Silence of the Lambs.
41:47
Speaker 1: It sounds like a super predator.
41:49
Speaker 2: But what did the actual methodical police investigation reveal?
41:53
Speaker 1: Detectives traced the crime directly back to her roommate, a
41:56
Speaker 1: man named Donald Caffell. He was arrested and ultimately admitted
41:59
Speaker 1: to killing her.
42:00
Speaker 2: And what was the grand motive?
42:02
Speaker 1: It wasn't some twisted psychological compulsion to hunt. It wasn't
42:05
Speaker 1: part of a regional murder spree. It was a violent
42:08
Speaker 1: argument over $ 200 worth of missing crack cocaine.
42:12
Speaker 2: It is a horrific, brutal crime. But it is a specific, isolated,
42:17
Speaker 2: interpersonal conflict driven by extreme substance abuse and proximity.
42:21
Speaker 1: Not a master villain.
42:23
Speaker 2: It has absolutely zero connection to a wider, sophisticated regional
42:27
Speaker 2: serial killer network. But in the online true crime spaces,
42:31
Speaker 2: those mundane, ugly nuances are often completely ignored.
42:35
Speaker 1: Because they favor the more sensational cinematic headline. A drug
42:39
Speaker 1: dispute isn't an intriguing mystery. A suitcase killer is.
42:43
Speaker 2: And in the New England scenario, this online sensationalism evolved
42:47
Speaker 2: into something truly disruptive. It wasn't just people gossiping in
42:50
Speaker 2: the comment sections of news articles.
42:52
Speaker 1: No, it got organized.
42:54
Speaker 2: A dedicated Facebook group was created, literally named New England
42:57
Speaker 2: Serial Killer. And this group crossed a major line.
43:01
Speaker 1: They didn't just passively speculate on the news. They started
43:04
Speaker 1: actively generating and publishing false information as if it were
43:08
Speaker 1: verified fact.
43:09
Speaker 2: Which is incredibly dangerous.
43:11
Speaker 1: They claimed, loudly and persistently, that additional bodies were buried
43:14
Speaker 1: at Scarborough Beach in Rhode Island.
43:16
Speaker 2: This is the exact moment where the digital world bleeds
43:19
Speaker 2: into the physical world and causes active, tangible harm to
43:22
Speaker 2: the justice system. Right.
43:24
Speaker 1: Because law enforcement is put in an impossible position here.
43:27
Speaker 1: The police cannot just completely ignore a specific tip about
43:30
Speaker 1: buried bodies.
43:31
Speaker 2: Even if they strongly suspect it originates from a sketchy,
43:34
Speaker 2: unverified Facebook group.
43:36
Speaker 1: Exactly. In the one in a million chance it's real,
43:38
Speaker 1: they have to act. So they had to deploy physical resources.
43:41
Speaker 1: They had to bring out specialized cadaver dogs and conduct
43:44
Speaker 1: a massive search of the beach.
43:46
Speaker 2: Wasting crucial time, taxpayer money, and limited manpower on a
43:50
Speaker 2: total fabricated hoax.
43:52
Speaker 1: While real, solvable cases were sitting idle on their desks.
43:56
Speaker 1: It's infuriating.
43:57
Speaker 2: During the Law and Crime broadcast, Dr. Goodman offered a
44:00
Speaker 2: really sharp, incisive psychological analysis on why these specific theories
44:05
Speaker 2: spread so aggressively.
44:07
Speaker 1: And more importantly, why normal, everyday people participate so eagerly
44:11
Speaker 1: in these groups.
44:12
Speaker 2: She identified the core driver as a form of modern escapism.
44:16
Speaker 1: Escapism. I mean, that usually means reading a fantasy novel
44:20
Speaker 1: or binge-watching a sitcom or playing a video game. How
44:24
Speaker 1: does looking at autopsies equate to escapism?
44:27
Speaker 2: It functions exactly like a video game, but with the
44:30
Speaker 2: added thrill of real-world stakes.
44:33
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I follow.
44:35
Speaker 2: Consider the average person's daily life. People are drowning in mundane,
44:39
Speaker 2: intractable stresses, crushing financial worries, complex relationship issues, exhausting work
44:45
Speaker 2: problems that have no easy solutions.
44:47
Speaker 1: So they want to check out.
44:49
Speaker 2: Eager to put those personal anxieties aside, they dive into
44:52
Speaker 2: a high-stakes life-or-death mystery online.
44:55
Speaker 1: They can consume a 60-second video summarizing a murder, make
44:58
Speaker 1: a snap judgment based on zero evidence, post a radical
45:02
Speaker 1: theory in a Facebook group, and immediately chase the dopamine
45:05
Speaker 1: hit of likes, shares, and reposts.
45:07
Speaker 2: Precisely. It provides a false sense of agency and control.
45:11
Speaker 2: You can't fix your mortgage rate, but you can solve
45:14
Speaker 2: a murder in Connecticut from your living room in Ohio. Wow.
45:18
Speaker 1: They are treating real tragedies, the horrific ends of real
45:22
Speaker 1: human lives— like an interactive puzzle designed for their personal entertainment.
45:28
Speaker 2: It's almost like the true crime genre has evolved from
45:30
Speaker 2: a passive viewing experience into the new national pastime.
45:34
Speaker 1: Dr. Goodman actually joked that next to losing weight and
45:38
Speaker 1: making more money, solving a high-profile crime is what everyone
45:42
Speaker 1: fundamentally wants to do from their couch.
45:44
Speaker 2: But we really have to ask, when does this couch
45:47
Speaker 2: detective work cross the line from a quirky hobby into
45:51
Speaker 2: actively harming the real world?
45:54
Speaker 1: The harm is multifaceted. First, as we saw at Scarborough Beach,
45:58
Speaker 1: it actively impedes justice.
46:01
Speaker 2: It forces law enforcement to divert incredibly limited resources to
46:04
Speaker 2: debunking Internet rumors rather than analyzing actual forensic evidence.
46:09
Speaker 1: Every hour spent chasing a Facebook hoax is an hour
46:13
Speaker 1: stolen from the victim of a real crime.
46:15
Speaker 2: Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, it inflicts unimaginable harm on
46:20
Speaker 2: the families of the victims.
46:22
Speaker 1: I can't even fathom that. Imagine losing a loved one
46:25
Speaker 1: to a tragic, accidental drowning in Lady Bird Lake. Or
46:30
Speaker 1: losing a family member to a brutal, isolated act of
46:33
Speaker 1: domestic violence.
46:35
Speaker 2: It's the worst day of your life.
46:37
Speaker 1: And then, while you were trying to process that world-shattering grief,
46:41
Speaker 1: you have to watch tens of thousands of strangers online
46:44
Speaker 1: twist your loved one's death into a sensationalized, conspiratorial puzzle
46:49
Speaker 1: for their own amusement.
46:51
Speaker 2: It strips the victim of their dignity and turns their
46:54
Speaker 2: tragedy into content. It is a profound, callous violation of
46:59
Speaker 2: their grief.
47:00
Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a major step back and look at
47:03
Speaker 1: the macro picture here. The big picture.
47:06
Speaker 2: Right.
47:07
Speaker 1: If our cultural obsession with the archetype of the serial
47:10
Speaker 1: killer is causing us to chase imaginary ghosts in the
47:14
Speaker 1: bayous of Houston, the lakes of Austin, and the beaches
47:17
Speaker 1: of New England, What is the actual threat we are
47:20
Speaker 1: willfully ignoring?
47:22
Speaker 2: That is the million-dollar question.
47:24
Speaker 1: Because while we are all looking over our shoulders for
47:26
Speaker 1: Ted Bundy hiding in the bushes, Dr. Goodman's data analytics
47:30
Speaker 1: point to something much, much darker and much more prevalent
47:35
Speaker 1: happening right in front of our faces in broad daylight.
47:38
Speaker 2: This is the most alarming paradigm-shifting pivot in the entire discussion.
47:43
Speaker 1: It really is. We.
47:45
Speaker 2: as a society, have been fixated on the fear of
47:48
Speaker 2: the serial killer. But the empirical data dictates a completely different,
47:53
Speaker 2: infinitely more terrifying reality for modern violent crime in America.
47:58
Speaker 1: Dr. Goodman drops a statistic in the broadcast that honestly
48:01
Speaker 1: took my breath away. It completely reoriented my understanding of danger.
48:05
Speaker 2: What was the statistic?
48:07
Speaker 1: She reveals that while serial killers are becoming increasingly, exceedingly rare,
48:11
Speaker 1: largely due to the technological surveillance state and genetic genealogy
48:16
Speaker 1: we discussed earlier. The real modern-day epidemic, the actual monster
48:20
Speaker 1: at the door, is mass murder.
48:22
Speaker 2: To truly understand the gravity of this shift, we need
48:26
Speaker 2: to clearly, scientifically define the terms as they are used
48:29
Speaker 2: in modern criminology, based on the source text.
48:32
Speaker 1: Because people use them interchangeably, right?
48:33
Speaker 2: Exactly. The media often conflates these terms, but they represent
48:37
Speaker 2: entirely different profiles of violence.
48:40
Speaker 1: OK, let's get the definitions absolutely straight. A serial killer
48:44
Speaker 1: is defined as an individual who commits three, four or
48:47
Speaker 1: more murders. But crucially, these events happen at different locations
48:51
Speaker 1: and they happen over an extended period of time.
48:53
Speaker 2: Right. There is a distinct cooling off period between the
48:57
Speaker 2: murders where the killer returns to their normal life before
49:00
Speaker 2: the compulsion builds again.
49:02
Speaker 1: Conversely, a mass murderer is defined as an individual who
49:05
Speaker 1: commits three, four or more murders at one time. in
49:10
Speaker 1: one single location.
49:12
Speaker 2: It is an explosive, singular, concentrated event of mass casualty.
49:17
Speaker 2: There is no cooling off period. There is only culmination.
49:21
Speaker 1: And here is the staggering data point Dr. Goodman provided
49:24
Speaker 1: to illustrate this shift. Looking at the time frame from
49:27
Speaker 1: January to September of the year being discussed in the broadcast.
49:30
Speaker 2: Just a roughly nine month window.
49:32
Speaker 1: Right. In that nine months, there had already been 377
49:35
Speaker 1: mass murders in the United States. 377 separate events. In
49:43
Speaker 1: less than nine months. I just want to sit with
49:46
Speaker 1: that number for a second because I want to make
49:48
Speaker 1: sure I am comprehending the scale. 377. That means we
49:53
Speaker 1: are averaging more than one mass casualty event every single day. Yes.
49:59
Speaker 2: When you synthesize this data, a deeply grim, highly uncomfortable
50:04
Speaker 2: sociological picture emerges.
50:06
Speaker 1: What's the picture?
50:08
Speaker 2: Law enforcement, the media, and particularly the general public are
50:11
Speaker 2: constantly looking backward. We are scanning the shadows for the
50:15
Speaker 2: elusive serial killer, a boogeyman archetype that was largely forged
50:19
Speaker 2: in the cultural consciousness during the 1970s and 80s.
50:22
Speaker 1: But the reality of modern violent crime isn't a shadowy
50:26
Speaker 1: figure creeping through the bayou at midnight to abduct a
50:29
Speaker 1: single victim.
50:30
Speaker 2: No, the reality is explosive, singular events with staggering, devastating
50:35
Speaker 2: casualty counts. happening in schools, in workplaces, at parades, and
50:39
Speaker 2: in grocery stores.
50:41
Speaker 1: Why has this shift occurred? Why has the serial killer
50:44
Speaker 1: faded while the mass shooter has proliferated so drastically?
50:48
Speaker 2: It is a complex intersection of psychology and opportunity. The
50:52
Speaker 2: profile of the killer has evolved.
50:54
Speaker 1: How so?
50:56
Speaker 2: The traditional serial killer is often driven by covert psychosexual dominance.
51:01
Speaker 2: They want to control a victim in secret and get
51:03
Speaker 2: away with it. As we discussed, getting away with it
51:06
Speaker 2: is nearly impossible now.
51:08
Speaker 1: Right, because of the cameras and cell towers. Exactly.
51:12
Speaker 2: The modern mass murderer, however, is often driven by overt grievance,
51:17
Speaker 2: extreme radicalization, and a desire for infamy. They do not
51:21
Speaker 2: plan on getting away with it.
51:23
Speaker 1: They often plan to die in the act or be captured.
51:26
Speaker 2: Therefore, the surveillance state, the cameras, the cell towers, doesn't
51:30
Speaker 2: deter them. In fact, the cameras often serve their goal
51:33
Speaker 2: of achieving maximum notoriety.
51:35
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for us, the consumers
51:38
Speaker 1: of this news? We are so deeply captivated by the
51:41
Speaker 1: mystery of a potential Bayou killer in Houston that we
51:45
Speaker 1: are practically numb to the 377 mass murder events that
51:49
Speaker 1: actually happened.
51:50
Speaker 2: It's like the true crime genre has trained our brains
51:53
Speaker 2: to look for the wrong monster entirely.
51:56
Speaker 1: It represents a profound, deeply unsettling misalignment of Societal fear
52:00
Speaker 1: versus statistical reality.
52:02
Speaker 2: We have to look at how we consume tragedy. A
52:05
Speaker 2: serial killer represents a puzzle. There are clues, suspects, and
52:09
Speaker 2: an investigation.
52:10
Speaker 1: A puzzle engages the intellect. It is fundamentally entertaining to solve.
52:14
Speaker 2: A mass shooting, however, offers no puzzle. We usually know
52:17
Speaker 2: exactly who did it, where they did it, and how
52:20
Speaker 2: they did it within minutes.
52:22
Speaker 1: It is a blunt, traumatic event that offers no mystery,
52:26
Speaker 1: only incomprehensible devastation and grief.
52:29
Speaker 2: A puzzle is entertaining.
52:31
Speaker 1: A tragedy is just exhausting. And because we are constantly
52:35
Speaker 1: exhausted by the reality of 377 mass murders, we look
52:40
Speaker 1: for a puzzle to distract us. I want to challenge you,
52:43
Speaker 1: listening to this right now, to evaluate your own true
52:47
Speaker 1: crime consumption.
52:48
Speaker 2: It's a tough mirror to look into.
52:49
Speaker 1: It is.
52:50
Speaker 2: Think about how you scroll through your feed. Does a
52:53
Speaker 2: whisper of a rumor about a serial killer in Houston
52:56
Speaker 2: capture your attention faster than and hold it longer than
52:58
Speaker 2: a confirmed, verified news report about a mass casualty event?
53:02
Speaker 1: If it does, you have to ask yourself why. Are
53:05
Speaker 1: we drawn to the mystery of the serial killer because
53:07
Speaker 1: it feels psychologically safer than confronting the blunt, undeniable everyday
53:12
Speaker 1: reality of modern mass violence?
53:15
Speaker 2: That is the incredibly uncomfortable truth at the very heart
53:18
Speaker 2: of this deep dive. The empirical statistics tell us exactly
53:22
Speaker 2: what we should be afraid of, but our psychology... Our
53:25
Speaker 2: need for narrative and escapism dictates what we choose to
53:28
Speaker 2: obsess over.
53:29
Speaker 1: We choose the fear we can manage over the fear
53:32
Speaker 1: we cannot control.
53:34
Speaker 2: Wow. Yes. Let's recap the incredible winding journey we've taken today.
53:40
Speaker 1: We started with the terrifying viral rumors of six bodies
53:43
Speaker 1: found in 11 days in Houston's massive bayou system. We
53:47
Speaker 1: saw how a mathematical cluster of unrelated tragedies can be
53:50
Speaker 1: warped into a grand conspiracy through the distorted lens of
53:54
Speaker 1: a social media algorithm designed to monetize fear.
53:57
Speaker 2: We examined the necessary, methodical, and often frustrating scientific patients
54:02
Speaker 2: required by law enforcement, toxicologists, and medical examiners to ascertain
54:06
Speaker 2: the actual truth.
54:08
Speaker 1: We contrasted the complex reality of gas chromatography and genetic
54:11
Speaker 1: genealogy with the instant, baseless gratification demanded by Internet sleuths.
54:17
Speaker 2: We looked at the tragic environmental realities of Lady Bird
54:20
Speaker 2: Lake in Austin and the horrific suitcase murder in New
54:23
Speaker 2: England to understand how digital escapism fuels rumors.
54:27
Speaker 1: We saw how everyday people, desperate for a distraction, turn
54:30
Speaker 1: geographic hazards and isolated incidents of domestic violence into imaginary
54:35
Speaker 1: super predators, actively harming real investigations and re-traumatizing grieving families
54:41
Speaker 1: in the process.
54:42
Speaker 2: And finally, we confronted the stark, data-driven reality of modern
54:46
Speaker 2: violent crime, the rapid decline of the covert serial killer,
54:50
Speaker 2: and the staggering, terrifying, and normalized rise of overt mass murder.
54:55
Speaker 1: Which brings us right back to where we started. You're
54:58
Speaker 1: lying in bed, the glow of your phone illuminating the
55:01
Speaker 1: dark room, and a video pops up with blaring sirens
55:04
Speaker 1: warning you about the Bayou Killer.
55:07
Speaker 2: Before you hit share, before you fall down that digital
55:10
Speaker 2: rabbit hole and join a Facebook.
55:12
Speaker 1: Group, I want to leave you with one lingering question.
55:15
Speaker 1: based on everything Dr. Goodman talked about regarding our need
55:19
Speaker 1: for escapism.
55:20
Speaker 2: It is a question of what we are using these
55:23
Speaker 2: viral stories to actively avoid looking at.
55:26
Speaker 1: If our collective obsession with true crime mysteries makes us
55:30
Speaker 1: hallucinate serial killers in every tragedy, in every bayou and lake,
55:35
Speaker 1: are we actually using these internet rumors as a psychological shield?
55:40
Speaker 2: A way to look away from the real horror.
55:43
Speaker 1: Is it just easier to unite online against an imaginary
55:46
Speaker 1: cinematic villain lurking in the shadows than it is to
55:49
Speaker 1: face the very real, very complex, and statistically proven epidemic
55:54
Speaker 1: of mass violence happening in broad daylight in our schools
55:58
Speaker 1: and supermarkets every single day?
56:01
Speaker 2: That's the real question.
56:03
Speaker 1: The next time a viral warning crosses your feed, claiming
56:06
Speaker 1: the police are lying and a monster is on the loose,
56:09
Speaker 1: ask yourself, are you looking for the truth? Or are
56:14
Speaker 1: you just looking for a monster you can understand?