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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP45 - What Do We Do Now That We Are Heathen? · Random Heathen Ramblings

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checkout. So what are we talking about
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today guys and gals and and non binary folks and children and
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and pets and seen and unseen creatures in all the 9 realms we
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are talking today about? What do you do once you're a
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heathen. This is not going to be a how to
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heathen 101 sort of thing and you know or how to do basic
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rituals or whatever but it's what do you do once you have
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have kind of identified yourself as a heathen and what does even
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that mean and and all that. Now this may seem basic or
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rudimentary or you know pointless maybe to some.
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But no, there was there was something that I've I've
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recently gotten into listening to.
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Well, he's recently started putting more content out, which
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I find really interesting, really cool.
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I love his twist on things and I love his presentation of it and
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I think I would like to get him here on the podcast in season
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five. I know we've talked around it a
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little bit, but in terms of just the kind of guy that he is, I
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think it would be a really fun episode to just wrap back and
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forth with. But on social media and I I know
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he's on Tiktok, I know he's got a Facebook page.
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If he's got anything else, I'll be sure to link it in the
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description or in the show notes.
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If you guys are listening. He's known as the heathen nerd
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or heathen nerd. And like I said, he's got
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Facebook, he's got Tiktok, might even have a YouTube channel.
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But again whatever social links he has will be linked down in
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the show notes or in the description of this video.
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So you know check those out for you to see and hear more.
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But some of what his content has recently been around is kind of
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this you know. So you know you're you're you're
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you're Norse Pagan now and well so here's here are the different
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phases of of your journey and and his his whole delivery of
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it. We're going to be watching
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something here today. For those of you listening,
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you'll be hearing it. But for everybody here on the
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video platform on on Patreon, you guys will be watching it
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with me and I'm going to kind of just react a little bit along
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the way, you know the three phases of your Norse Pagan
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journey and then so forth. But as you saw from like the
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thumbnail and and kind of the title of this title of this
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podcast, it was I wanted to talk a bit around some of the things
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that he is going over in his videos.
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I think the one that we're going to be watching today is is like
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7 or 8 minutes long, something like that.
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And there are certain things about this, that things that he
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says that I want to kind of touch on a bit more expand on.
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And interestingly what what these videos have have come out
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as are. I don't want to say the result
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of contacting me, but I know he has sent me some videos before
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publishing them and asking me my opinions, my thoughts, you know,
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hey, do you think this is off track, do you think you know,
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you know, do you want to weigh in on any of this?
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Right. And I'm like, man, you know, I
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think this is great. It's it's some of it's really
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funny, you know, and and and but I think it's overall just a
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really good summary or a good breakdown of the various phases
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of our journey that we find ourselves in as Norris Pagans.
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And you yourself may be listening or watching to this
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video now whether you are a phase one and Pagan or phase two
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or phase three right various stages of the game you'll
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probably like I have with with what we're going to be listening
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and watching you'll probably find yourself relating to the
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stuff that that this dude's talking about.
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So his name is Justin we'll just keep it on a first name basis.
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So shout out to Justin of heathen of heathen nerd or he is
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the heathen nerd. He he does comics you know he he
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does his own art and and and puts a really fun and kind of
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thought stimulating twist to his content.
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So be sure to check him out in his social links that I'm going
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to have link down below or over here or there wherever you find
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it And yeah let's let's let's kind of dive into some of the
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things about being a heathen. I know the term heathen gets
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used, you know, pretty loosely and and and pretty freely as the
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term to describe Germanic pagans, right?
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Those folks who have adopted A polytheistic view of the world
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or or or adopted polytheism into their life and have focused
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their attention on the Germanic or Norse gods and goddesses,
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right? But there's more to there's more
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to it than just that. You know Heathen being kind of
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this umbrella term that kind of goes over an even bigger
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umbrella or smaller umbrella. I don't know the the the the
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scale of how it goes. You know what I mean?
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Heathens are pagans, not all pagans are heathens.
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So if you want to consider paganism as this big umbrella
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Heathen is you need a a another umbrella over that umbrella that
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probably smaller. Yeah well definitely smaller.
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That kind of encompasses a an an even smaller demographic or an
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even smaller group of of pagans. And not all heathens have the
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same worldviews. You know, there's, you know if
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you're if you're a mainland continental, more along the
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lines of what would be considered like a Saxon Heathen.
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You know your worldviews are going to vary slightly.
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Probably you're going to have different names for things then,
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let's say those who might be considered or who might identify
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or call themselves or be known as Norse Pagan, right.
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The Icelandic model, the the the Scandinavian variety, the
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Scandinavian version of of of heathen ring.
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Those beliefs or those names of gods, goddesses, deities,
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whites, vaitier. What have you those various
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names that that come up in various sources from further
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north than the southern continental Germanic lands where
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these beliefs sort of originated from.
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So again you you kind of can see how this structure of
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polytheism. Right and and and paganism as
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Germanic paganism Germanic heathenry kind of has different
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sects right SECTS and different hearts and sects might be a bad
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terminology form but terminology for it.
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But we're going to go with it. So yeah we're going to talk
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about you know what does it mean to be heathen if if you're not
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thinking in certain ways can you call yourself a heathen?
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If you don't believe in certain things can you call yourself a
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heathen and still you know. Now I'm going to also preface
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all of this, what I'm saying by saying that, you know, before we
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get into the discussion, the, you know, the review of of
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Justin's videos and stuff, you know, before I get into all
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this, don't don't get me wrong here.
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Don't. Don't think that out of all the
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years, out of all the time, months, whatever that you spent
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listening and watching my content, that now all of a
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sudden I'm saying that you know the titles matter, the names
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matter, the this thing that all that matters.
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It it, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, right?
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If you want to call yourself a heathen and you don't have all
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of the worldviews that go along with it, I'm not going to be the
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one to sit back here and and judge you or or or or have any
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disdain for you. But like some of the things that
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we're going to be hearing from Justin's video today, be
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prepared for some backlash from people in the community, OK,
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that are going to have something to say about you calling
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yourself or appropriating a title or a name or whatever the
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case may be, right? If you're not 100% thinking the
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way they think or or whatever. I'm not like that.
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I've done, I've done videos before where I'm like, am I even
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a Norse Pagan, right? I have very animistic views of
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the world. You know not everything that I
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don't you know not everything that I believe in on a
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day-to-day basis would probably fall under this the the the
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strict I want to say strict but you know the because it is it's
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it's a bit more fluid than you know dogmatic religions like
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Christianity, Islam, Judaism, stuff like that.
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But I mean what I'm saying is it's like it is is just because
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I don't follow everything 100% to AT as a traditional Germanic
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Heathens worldview would be does that make me incapable are
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unable to use the term heathen to describe my belief or or
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religiosity or faith or whatever?
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No, I don't think so. I think it's largely enough
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close enough to to to be, you know close enough, right.
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And and again not everybody's going to be thinking the same
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way. Not everybody's going to be
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believing in the same thing in the exact same way.
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There's going to be a lot of nuance though that is shared.
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So Ethan is just it. It's fine.
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So let's not, let's not split too many hairs, let's not get
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into the minutiae of it. But let's let's just dive right
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into to Justin's video real quick though, because I think
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there's plenty enough here to to start with.
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So again, this is like 3 the three phases of your Norse Pagan
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journey. So I hope you guys enjoy it.
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I'm going to be sharing it on my screen, so I'm going to be kind
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of pausing and comment commentating along as we go.
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So for those of you listening and watching, you'll understand
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it. But here we go.
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Let's get started to. Become a Norse Pagan.
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Now what? Well, now you start your
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journey, and on this journey you should be growing, changing,
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evolving if you will. And while the process looks
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different for everyone, there are some general faces that we
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can talk about. That's it.
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That's phase one. It's it's the skull phase.
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It's the you know a loading and all that, right?
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It's that was hilarious. I love that that's the
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introduction to this whole thing.
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Go to his page, his his his TikTok if you guys have it.
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Everything's going to be linked down in the description and all
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that. But follow the whole thing.
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Watch the whole thing. I mean, but we're, I just wanted
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to say, like, that was that was freaking hilarious.
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So this is as bad as you're going to be, and it's not really
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so much as bad as it is annoying.
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In your first phase, you're going to find yourself immersed
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in an entire world and adopting the entire aesthetic of it.
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You're going to want the tattoos, the jewelry, the
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altars, and the decorations. You're going to try to make this
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your entire personality. However, you will still have a
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mountain of deconstruction to do.
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You're going to carry with you your preconceived notions of the
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divine and expectations of what all of this is.
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I do just want to mention real quick making this your
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personality, right? And you know, and he's using
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some imagery and stuff that is you know Floki from the TV show
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Vikings this you know, blonde lady with an axe and and and all
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of that you know, very Germanic or Scandinavian looking things.
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You know decorating your your, your yourself, right?
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Putting either artwork permanently into your skin and
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getting the tattoos, getting the jewelry right, the trappings,
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things to to to wear that are expressions of your belief,
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right. And and again like you said, you
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know, making it every part of your personality even probably
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down to in some ways. You know dressing up or dressing
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down or dressing in a fashion that is reflective of a bygone
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time. You know wearing tunics and
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things like that, which I've done and and still continue to
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do. You guys see me on some of my
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videos wearing linen tunics or or you know, shirts and stuff
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that have a very old fashioned look to them, right.
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They they're not the typical thing that you see in today's
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society in modern society's, you know, fashion statement.
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It's it's it's it's archaic a bit in a way.
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But I think that that is an important aspect of phase one
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really becoming immersed into things and finding interest and
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finding the the beauty in the aesthetic of those things.
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You know, being drawn to the imagery, being drawn to the the
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the historical style you know. Now granted you know a lot of
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pop culture has skewed the the imagery and and made things to
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be not historically accurate. You know so when you watch
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things like you know the TV show Vikings and you see these guys
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dressed in certain armor. I mean that was that's
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definitely not historically accurate armor or looks or
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anything like that but it was it's for Hollywood right.
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It's for TV. It's for entertainment.
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So realize that, know that. But also I I think it's an
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important thing to to key in on is so much of what we identify
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as as a as a as a culture now, as a society now it's people now
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it's humanity now is based heavily on our what we see you
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know. We draw our conclusions.
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We base our conclusions. We are appealed to things from
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how we receive them through our eyes.
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And if we can't see it, it doesn't.
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It doesn't have nearly as much of an appeal for a lot of people
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as it would be if we were just if we didn't have that, that
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visual aspect. All right, so let's get back.
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You're going to be corrected a lot, but you should keep in mind
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that this is not a jab, it's you personal.
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One of the bigger notions that can be misleading in paganism is
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a general one of no wrong answers, or that you can just
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simply do whatever you feel is right and call it paganism and
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go about your way. While Norse paganism is far from
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a level of structure of more predominant religions, there are
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areas where an aspect of right or wrong or correct or incorrect
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still apply. So like, I was just saying
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before how you know the dogmatic aspects of certain dominant
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religions. Like he mentioned the right,
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wrong. You know what?
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And I've talked about this before, not in, in probably not
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even a month or so Ago's episode about, you know, you're doing it
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wrong, are you doing it wrong, dogma and heathenry and all
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that. There are there are certain
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things that if you are calling yourself heathen, if you're
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going to adopt that name, if you're going to adopt that view
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of the world, if you're going to be that, then there are certain
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things that go with it. You know, it's it may be not, it
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may not be this, you know, maybe I may be oversimplifying or
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maybe I'm, I'm totally off the mark.
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But, you know, if I want to call myself a Carpenter and I don't
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know how to read a tape measure, then what good is me being able
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to bang a few nails, cut a few pieces of wood and do some math?
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You know, if I can't measure things out, if I can't do the
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the intricate parts of it, if I don't understand everything
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there is to being a Carpenter, then I really can't call myself
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a Carpenter. I can learn about it, right,
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Because and guess what, you're not going to learn everything
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about a a trade like that overnight.
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You're going to have to apprentice under someone.
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You're going to have to learn under people.
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And there are right ways of doing things and there are wrong
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ways of doing things. Same way with Heathenry, you
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know, yes, there is a, there's there's a lot of flexibility.
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There's a, you know, more fluidity maybe within Paganism
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as a whole than there is in some of these other, like you say,
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dominant religions. But please don't come into this
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thinking that you can just be all carefree Willy nilly, doing
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whatever you want, however you want, whenever you want and
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still call it that in its in in in that sense.
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And and that's about as far as I want to go with it, I think on
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on that. So that's my take on it, but
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let's listen to the. Rest, it says you should be
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deconstructing your old worldviews, asking questions,
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reading your lore, listening to those with more time under their
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belts. Real quick, Don't forget the
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sagas. All right?
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It's not just about the lore. It's not just about the stories.
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You know of the gods Goddesses Read the sagas too.
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Read as many of the sagas as you can from all the different
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regions You know what I mean? Read the Volsung, the saga.
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Read the England the saga. Read the saga, The The Nyol's
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saga. Read.
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Read all of the and some of the bigger ones and the minor ones
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too. Right?
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As many ones as you can get your hands on.
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Don't forget the sagas. It's not just about the Lord,
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It's not just about the mythos. Get it all in.
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There's a lot of studying here. More than likely, however, what
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you will do is buy all of the books, pick out the bits and
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pieces of it as needed, spam post heathen related content to
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your social media, develop an ambition of becoming a person of
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prominence within the community, Maybe flirt with the idea of
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starting your own kindred. You're going to be abusing words
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like skull and brother and sister a lot.
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You're going to be loud and you're going to be proud and the
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rest of us just want you to calm down.
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Just a. Yes, just a little bit, guys.
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Just a little bit. Love the enthusiasm.
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I was that way. I know people that listen and
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watch my content that have been doing this for as long longer
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than me can relate to this, right.
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I don't think this is unrelatable to anyone.
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And and especially for you newer folks that may be tuning in, you
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know, you get it. You know, I was one of those
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ones at one point in time. Hail all father Till Valhalla.
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Skull brother, sister. That right.
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Because of the other religious baggage that I carried with me
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into Heathenry or you know as I was learning about Heathenry
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these were these were the the reason why I was being this way
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or or or the maybe not the entire reason, but a lot of the
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reasons why I was being this way is because I was taking some of
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what I or I had already learned from a previous experience
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carrying it over into my new experience.
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You know. And some of those things just
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don't have a place there. You know the whole brother
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sister thing. Right.
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Familial titles. I've talked about this many,
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many times about false kinship and why I have such a problem
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with it myself. I don't get on every social
25:44
media thread post this that thing or the other on on on on
25:47
different forums and and scold people for saying this to one
25:51
another. Let them be.
25:54
I sit back from a distance and I'm like it.
25:56
It's it's annoying. I don't.
25:58
I don't agree with it. I don't believe in it doesn't
26:02
work for me. But you know people are going to
26:06
do what they want to do and so be vigorous be proud of it and
26:12
and and make that stance and like he says you know you know
26:14
you want to. I think a lot of people.
26:16
I think a lot of reason why people are this way especially
26:18
in the beginning is it is such an exciting thing, right.
26:21
You're learning about stuff that maybe, you know you only heard
26:26
about in storybooks growing up, or you watched in a movie, or
26:29
you saw in a video, or you know, you heard of someone talking
26:31
about sort of like as if it wasn't even a real thing.
26:36
You know, I can't tell you how many people nowadays still are
26:40
are surprised and amazed that people who believe in Odin, Thor
26:45
and Freya, Freg, Loki, all the other gods, goddesses, etcetera,
26:51
How surprised people are that that's a real religious view or
26:55
faith or a path of spirituality. You know, a lot of people in in
27:00
more of the again dominant and conventional religions are are
27:03
surprised at that. Like, wow, you can believe in
27:06
that. Those are just comic books,
27:07
tales or stories, right? Please.
27:13
Please do you either die a hero or you live long enough to see
27:18
yourself become the villain? So the first thing you need to
27:21
know about phase two is you can't get to it until there's
27:24
someone newer than yourself. The second thing you need to
27:27
know is that just because there is someone newer than yourself
27:30
does not automatically move you up.
27:33
You see, in phase one you've been corrected and guided,
27:36
sometimes even to great dissatisfaction, but you've
27:40
started to oblige, if for no other reason than to save
27:43
yourself the exact same reactions.
27:46
Yeah, I do want to say don't get discouraged for any of you newer
27:51
folks, right? And if this video or this
27:53
podcast gets circulated around to to groups of people that are
27:57
just starting on their path and starting to learn, don't get
28:01
discouraged. When you come with what you
28:05
think is accurate information, what you might think is truth,
28:14
right? And I'm not talking like your
28:18
truth, right? Your upg, your unverified
28:20
personal gnosis, the experiences that you've had, that no one
28:23
else has had, that are important and are valid but that just
28:27
don't have any backing and historical documentation that
28:30
exists to this point in time. Don't be discouraged when your
28:37
information that you share like I'll.
28:38
I'll give you an example, right One time I was talking and I
28:43
was. This is years ago and you know I
28:49
was I was talking about symble the the symble ritual and you
28:55
know when I was going into information and things about you
28:58
know, well, this is act this is this is this is you know common
29:00
misconceptions about symble. I hadn't done a proper symbol.
29:03
I haven't you know I hadn't at that point in my time
29:06
experienced what symbol is and and the structure of it all and
29:10
and all that and I got told you know by by a by a gentleman you
29:15
know no you're wrong you're you're flat out wrong don't be
29:18
talking about stuff like this you know and but at the same
29:23
time he also was presenting me with knowledge and information
29:27
and gave me the source material to go and research myself to be
29:31
like hey what you're saying you know you're you're it was either
29:35
yes you're you're you're on point with this or no you're not
29:39
this is wrong or you're kind of close you're near the mark.
29:42
Here's where you can find more information about right I was
29:45
being told where to go and and how to find it.
29:48
I got lucky with that. All right.
29:49
Some people out here will just be like what's wrong with you,
29:52
you stupid idiot you know and and and where where's your
29:54
sources cite your sources and then they won't even, you know
29:58
back it up. There's different ways that
30:00
people approach things especially if they're in the
30:04
advanced phases or stages of their of their their their their
30:08
paganism right. They've been they got a lot of
30:10
miles under the tires. They're not going to be as
30:13
probably not going to be as quick to want to put up with the
30:17
trivial stuff, right. They'll be like well let the let
30:20
the let the kids on the training wheels play in that space and
30:25
let us guys over here, gals, whatever, let us over here on
30:28
our unicycles or our advanced skills.
30:30
Right. Let's hone our advanced skills
30:32
right. That's it's it's kind of like
30:34
learning anything you know you don't.
30:36
You don't Going back to the Carpenter analogy, you know you
30:39
don't pick up a hammer, saws, tape measure and go build a
30:43
house. No, you know you learn the
30:45
basics. You learn the fundamentals.
30:47
You learn how to read a tape measure.
30:48
You learn how to, you know, read your your your angles and all
30:53
these types of things. You learn all of the basic
30:55
stuff. You apprentice, you learn and
30:56
then you apply that knowledge into a journeyman stage.
30:59
And then once you apply and and and and actually put miles under
31:03
your own tires, then you can be classified and and known by your
31:08
peers as the master of your trade.
31:11
You know so. Two, you will see someone where
31:16
you used to be and acting as you used to act.
31:20
You will find yourself in the more senior position and ready
31:23
to deliver the messages that you have now heard countless times.
31:28
This however can lead to its own problems as some people elevate
31:31
this into full blown gatekeeping and a more generalized
31:35
contrarian behavior. Now real quick on that, one of
31:41
the things that when I was learning right when I was coming
31:43
up into and I'm still learning guys like I'm not saying like I
31:46
figured it all out and I'm here just to tell you how to do this
31:48
thing. No, I'm still learning.
31:50
We're all still learning. At least I hope we all can agree
31:54
that we're students we're all it's kind of like I heard.
31:58
I heard somebody say one time you know there's a reason why
32:01
such advanced fields of study like doctors, lawyers, the field
32:06
of medicine. Why those fields?
32:11
Why the professionals in those fields are said to be quote UN
32:16
quote practicing their craft right.
32:18
I am practicing medicine. I am practicing law.
32:22
I am practicing this thing. Now the other right it is that
32:26
they are fine tuning it. It's not that or I'm studying
32:29
you might hear that you know but it even when they get their
32:32
degree, even when they are in their field of of of expertise
32:37
performing at the level and the capacity that you know makes
32:42
them the authority, they are still in the stage of practicing
32:45
their their craft. And I think that's an important
32:48
analogy to to compare to right is, is that we're always
32:51
studying. We're always learning, we're
32:52
always practicing. We always got things to to learn
32:55
from especially in this type of arena.
32:58
You know what I mean? Like so much of of old ways,
33:01
beliefs are being uncovered constantly being, you know,
33:06
resurfaced, unsurfaced, discovered, right.
33:09
So the things that we may have thought at one point in time now
33:12
because of a recent discovery have been, you know, our
33:14
thoughts and views have changed because well, you know what we
33:17
thought at this one point in time was based off of this
33:20
discovery. Now we've discovered something
33:21
else. And so now we have to change, we
33:23
have to shift, we have to adjust.
33:27
And one thing that I was that I always thought of is, you know,
33:30
if I, when I was my very early stage, like phase one stages of
33:34
things and I was learning things, what what the way people
33:38
would approach me, the way I would get approached about
33:42
something that I said, you know, if they came off really callous,
33:45
really, you know, you know, demeaning in a way, it was
33:50
discouraging for me to even want to engage more people.
33:54
Because I'm like, well, if this is how everybody's acting and if
33:56
this is how all the people in this space are going to behave,
33:59
then you know, why would I want to do that now?
34:03
Fortunately, I grew up in a way and in a lifestyle that really
34:08
helped condition me to be be able to receive criticism that
34:19
was delivered in a very callous sort of way.
34:21
Not saying that it was right at the time or that it was right
34:24
every time, but there are definitely times and and places
34:29
for that sort of quote, UN quote, tough love to happen,
34:31
right? If you're being a jerk, if
34:33
you're not getting it, sometimes you just need that kind of
34:37
proverbial smack upside the head to to really get you into that
34:42
like, hey, get back on track here, back in line.
34:47
That doesn't work for everybody. That that approach doesn't work
34:50
for everybody. So when he's talking about this,
34:53
you know when you get to a point you Start learning and then you,
34:56
you know, can fall victim to this.
34:59
Well, I know more than you now and I'm going to make you, you
35:02
know, work for it. I think that there's a there's a
35:06
degree and there's a level of tact that needs to be employed
35:13
with that tactic. Like you know, you can give
35:15
people the benefit of researching, finding their own
35:19
answers because that is so satisfying.
35:20
You know when you when you are given hints and clues and you
35:23
find answers yourself, like, that is so rewarding that you
35:26
like, man. I found it right.
35:27
I was able to go and research and and learn things and it is
35:31
it's it, it it it it makes you want to do more, right?
35:34
It makes you want to research more and learn more.
35:36
It it feeds that eagerness. So yeah, like the gatekeeping
35:43
thing, like he's talking about, like knowledge is free.
35:45
You know, you can get online, you can go to your library, you
35:47
can sign up for courses, you can do all these things that are
35:52
maybe not monetarily free. But I'm just saying like, and
35:55
there's there's there is so much that it's free.
35:57
I mean you can go online and find information for free very
36:01
quickly and easily. Is it accurate information?
36:03
Is it the right information? That's up to you to to dig into
36:07
you know and and to find out and to talk with people who may know
36:10
more than you, who can help steer and direct you in that
36:14
right direction. So the more we learn, the more
36:17
we gather information, the more knowledge that we collect.
36:23
It is important, I think, for us to not just give it away freely,
36:29
but not to gatekeep it and be like you can't you can't access
36:32
this. You can't know what I know.
36:33
I you know. We want you to know what we
36:35
know. I want people to know what I
36:36
know. And I want to know what more
36:38
what what. I want to know what people know
36:41
more than me. You know what I mean?
36:43
I want to know the things that people that know more than me
36:45
know. No, no, no, no, no.
36:48
And and this stage of things is kind of where that happens, I
36:52
think. And I love the way he puts it.
36:54
So let's go on. As you well should know, for all
36:57
the flaws of those in phase one, they are not always wrong.
37:01
Often they possess a simple wisdom as they are seeing our
37:04
actions with an outside lens. We should never just ignore
37:08
those with less experience, but for some, the idea of heating
37:13
the less experienced word is just too much.
37:18
Yeah, and I don't get that either, you know, like, it
37:21
almost seems like a like a like a like a blow to to some
37:23
people's pride when they get shown up or, you know, told off
37:29
in a way by someone who, quote, UN quote, knows less than them.
37:33
You know, we haven't been a heathen for for as long as I
37:35
have. What?
37:36
What could you possibly know? Hey man, I hate to tell you, but
37:41
I've been shown up philosophically knowledge book
37:45
smarts. I've been, I've been shown up a
37:47
lot by people decades younger than me, Had a kid on this
37:52
channel, on the on the Mid Garden Musings channel years
37:55
ago. That was, you know, he was
37:57
12/13/14 years old, man. And he was talking about stuff
38:00
from a philosophical end. And I'm like, who who are you?
38:04
How old are you? You know, like, granted that
38:07
philosophy is a bit different. There's a lot of perspective and
38:11
stuff that gets inserted into philosophical conversations.
38:14
But the kids brain was bright and he had a lot of knowledge
38:18
and a lot of things to offer. And I love those interactions
38:22
because it was mentally stimulating and it was giving me
38:26
things to think about that I could apply to myself or to, you
38:30
know, the people who I share my life with.
38:31
And all this, right? It you You're kind of doing
38:34
yourself a disservice and an injustice if you're refusing to
38:38
learn from people just because they're younger than you,
38:41
because they don't know as much as you know or haven't been on
38:45
the path for as long as you have right?
38:47
Tenure. Don't restrict your growth
38:52
because you think that you know the the person that hasn't been
38:57
doing this as long as you know is less than you.
39:00
Educators and leaders in our community start this process in
39:03
phase two. But that does not mean that you
39:06
do not have work to do. In fact, you will have more.
39:10
You will still have deeper deconstruction to do and there
39:13
is always more to learn. You will find that the
39:15
expectations put on you from the community grow with age, not
39:19
lessen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:22
I mean, you're kind of like, I remember talking to the same guy
39:25
that I mentioned earlier who kind of told me the what to how
39:27
for what for how to, whatever the terminology is about
39:30
stumble. I remember him telling me at one
39:35
point, just not all that long ago, you know, like you're kind
39:40
of he, he told me. He's like, man, you're kind of
39:42
in, you're you're getting into this space now you're you're
39:47
arriving at a time where you're going to be looked at as a
39:53
source of knowledge, a source of information, your
39:58
responsibility, your obligation to be accurate.
40:04
Be you know, not just be out here spouting things all Willy
40:08
nilly. At least not you know.
40:10
If you're going to talk about you, you know things that you've
40:12
experienced. You know, always don't.
40:13
Don't use those experiences as the way other people should do
40:17
things. Always use that disclaimer as
40:19
UPG and stuff like that. I learned.
40:21
I learned that important thing from Eric Shervin that the
40:26
Ravens call in every one of his videos.
40:30
You know, he always is saying, you know, this is just one
40:33
heathen in East Texas views on things.
40:36
I don't speak on behalf of the larger heathen community.
40:39
I don't even speak on behalf of my tribe, the Fridgar.
40:44
His tribe in East Texas. He he, he uses the term, you
40:48
know, I'm not some awesome Pope of Heathenry or something.
40:50
Like, I love that about Eric's delivery on things, you know?
40:55
And he shares a wellspring of knowledge in his content.
41:01
I'll link his stuff down in the in the description and stuff
41:03
too. For those of you who maybe
41:04
aren't unaware of who I'm talking about.
41:06
But his name is Eric Shervin. Eric Word Weaver Shervin.
41:09
He has a community on Facebook called the Word Weaver
41:12
Productions and he's his his channel is is under his
41:16
namesake, but his his show it was called the Ravens Call and
41:19
his content has been scarce as of late just due to life and
41:22
whatnot. But he does have a bat catalog
41:24
of amazing things. Do be sure to check him out.
41:27
Same thing you know he's he's he's one of the reasons why I've
41:31
done what I've done with content like this.
41:33
He's a big inspiration. He he he's become a friend of
41:36
mine. Even though we don't talk
41:37
regularly we have each other's number.
41:39
I know I can call or talk to him and and he'll get back to me,
41:44
right. Good guy.
41:45
Really good guy. And he's taught me that valuable
41:47
aspect of sharing of knowledge and that the responsibility
41:51
falls on you more heavily and greater when you put yourself
41:55
out here like this and you start kind of presenting yourself as
41:58
a, I know what I'm talking about type of person.
42:02
And so the work doesn't stop, it doesn't slow down, it gets even
42:07
more, more in depth. So absolutely agree with him
42:12
what he's saying. It's Norris Pagan.
42:14
You'll be looked at from both sides.
42:16
In essence, everybody is going to be watching you.
42:19
The truth is, is that not everybody is cut out to leave
42:23
this phase. In this phase, you should
42:27
continue to identify and deconstruct areas in your life
42:30
where you still hold a monochromatic lens, assist newer
42:33
Norse pagans as best as possible without overstepping study more
42:38
broadly without neglecting your previous study materials.
42:41
Basically, you should now be refining your knowledge and
42:44
skills and discovering how to apply what you've learned to the
42:48
everyday world around yourself. However, what you will do is get
42:53
into a lot of arguments over semantic points.
42:56
At least once you'll carry a personal feeling into a
42:59
situation where it shouldn't be, if not a handful of times.
43:03
You're going to make wildly inaccurate claims from time to
43:05
time with your full chest and have to admit you were wrong,
43:09
and overall you're going to be finding yourself being humbled a
43:11
time or two. And that is good.
43:17
It's happened to me even not too long ago, you know, and that
43:30
that I think is kind of the the, the a mark of of someone who is
43:34
truly in the position of what they're doing right.
43:39
They're in this phase for the right reasons.
43:41
They're not out here trying to persuade people to think the way
43:43
they think. They don't want to dictate how
43:46
other people think based off of what they think they they they
43:49
want to share what they know, and they do.
43:51
They do so with vigor and with gusto and with conviction.
43:56
However, when they are presented with legitimate facts of hey,
44:02
you're off the mark here and here's the reason why they're
44:08
able to receive that and be and and and again shift.
44:13
You know, take what people have said, take the the more
44:17
knowledgeable people. Because like you're saying you
44:19
know all eyes on you. You're being seen as someone who
44:22
people can look up to from the phase one side and you're also
44:25
being looked at from the phase three or above whatever side of
44:29
things as what is this person doing, what are they out here
44:31
saying? I had an experience like that at
44:35
Shadowmoot this year at the Raven Moon Hearth event, where I
44:37
was approached by a gentleman who has been on, as he calls it,
44:43
the Teutonic Path for longer than I've been alive.
44:49
He's in his 70s. His great grandfather was like,
44:54
was Icelandic and taught him how to read runes and all this type
44:57
of stuff, Right. So this guy has family
45:00
traditions passed down to him. He's got you know, things that
45:04
hit the way his family done things that he was, that he's
45:06
been doing his whole adult life. You know, again longer than I've
45:10
been alive and that people like that are are looking at people
45:16
like me and going what's this? What's this dude saying or
45:19
what's this gal saying? Right.
45:21
And they're and they're scrutinizing and they're they're
45:23
observing and they're watching and there are going to be times
45:26
when you're going to be told you're you're you're off the
45:30
mark here. And and so I, I, I love that
45:35
that aspect of that that portion of this where he's talking
45:37
about, you know, taking that criticism, taking that
45:45
monochromatic lens like you know and and breaking that apart and
45:49
and getting out of that deconstructing that perspective,
45:52
not just looking at things through the way you see it, but
45:54
getting a broader aspect and learning more about it and
45:57
becoming more of again, you know the greater world view of
46:02
things. I realized that what we're
46:03
talking about now is very specific, but it does have kind
46:08
of it does loop into why I wanted to do this podcast on
46:11
what do we do once we are Norse Pagan.
46:14
So let's listen to some more. But to sharpen a blade, you must
46:19
first grind it. As this process removes the
46:21
Burrows and the blade will become more useful, so too must
46:25
we sharpen ourselves and make ourselves more useful to the
46:29
broader community. Oh man, that's a great analogy.
46:35
That is a great analogy. You know, for a blade to become
46:39
useful, you have to grind it before you can sharpen it.
46:42
You have to get rid of those rough edges.
46:45
And even before that, you have to subject it to intense and
46:50
grueling ordeal. You have to quench it, you have
46:53
to torch it, You have to burn it.
46:55
You have to beat it. There's a lot of adversity that
46:59
a blade goes through before it ever gets to the grinding part
47:02
of things. But even once it goes through
47:05
that quench and even once it goes do that initial stress
47:09
test, there are still refining moments, you know got to grind
47:15
off those those hard edges. All right.
47:17
So here we go into phase three. Do you mean to wish me a good
47:22
morning or do you mean that it is a good morning whether I want
47:24
it or not? Or perhaps you mean to say that
47:28
you feel good on this particular morning?
47:31
Or are you simply stating that this is a morning to be good on?
47:38
And here we are. Phase three, the phase many
47:41
aspire to get to but few reach. At phase three, you have
47:45
established yourself within your community, proven consistent in
47:48
your character, demonstrated in the ability to provide good
47:51
counsel, and have thoroughly loosened up.
47:54
You don't have to be old, but you will have an old soul when
47:58
it counts. The rest of the time, you're
48:00
likely to be cracking yourself up with the jokes and pranks
48:03
you'll be pulling to alleviate the boredom.
48:09
You know, I can't. I can't tell you how many times
48:11
I've told people you know don't take yourself so seriously.
48:17
That's that's a lot easier said than done, I think for for a lot
48:20
of folks, admittedly myself included.
48:23
But I I don't take myself very seriously.
48:27
You know I think you guys have have that have that have watched
48:29
or or listened to my content you know over the years have seen
48:34
that part of me even on screen. You know if you know me in
48:40
person you know just how kind of silly I I I I can be and and and
48:46
where my humor kind of goes and and the type of looseness that I
48:52
you know achieve when it comes to just being around people who
48:55
I know or talking to people in a in a in a conversational
49:01
setting. It's it's I don't take myself
49:07
very seriously. I take what I do serious when it
49:10
needs to be taken serious right when there is piety needed for a
49:15
ritual or when there is you know a somberness for for an event or
49:19
something. You know what I mean?
49:20
Like I know when to be what I need to be, but for the most
49:24
part I mean I'm not walking around like with my chest up in
49:26
the air and you know you will address me as Allah, Chieftain,
49:30
blah, blah, blah. No, whatever, man.
49:31
Like that's doesn't matter. I mean I don't it matters for
49:40
the reasons that it matters but I don't use those things to
49:45
define who I am 24/7, right. It's, it's, it's it's it's a
49:48
position it's a it's a title it's it's a thing that I have to
49:50
do. You know obligations that I have
49:54
to meet, that sort of thing. So, but the rest of the time I'm
49:57
just, it's just Jesse. Stage you're basically a wizard
50:02
with a gaggle. The pop.
50:02
It's delete. People may mistake your cheerful
50:05
nature for one of complacency, but few rounds of percussion
50:09
maintenance will set that machine back to working order.
50:13
I do just want to say, you know, percussion maintenance.
50:17
I know this is probably not what he's referring to here in this
50:21
video, but this is my percussion maintenance.
50:25
That drum right there, this, this drum behind me that you
50:29
can't really see because it's that you kind of see.
50:31
It's there's my percussion maintenance.
50:36
I don't think that's what he means here, but that is a
50:38
percussion instrument and drumming is definitely a way
50:42
that helps heal me and maintains my character and my consistency
50:48
of who I am. You know, it kind of helps level
50:51
things out. So I just wanted to throw that
50:53
out there. Drum therapy is amazing.
50:59
Sure. What to put here as this is the
51:01
station above me, so I'm just going to describe phase three as
51:04
I see it. You're.
51:06
Wise, but paradoxically, you're immature at times.
51:11
OK, hold on just a second. That's I've only watched this
51:14
video like maybe once and I and I seem to have missed that
51:17
particular not more than once. But I've seen, I particularly
51:20
missed that segment of the video where he says that this is
51:23
something that is above him. So he's just going to say what
51:27
he thinks. Great delivery.
51:30
To say that something is above you is what we have to do.
51:34
If we're if we're trying to talk about something, it's like, hey,
51:38
this isn't really my wheelhouse or I don't really have a horse
51:41
in this race. That's important because
51:44
otherwise you're gonna be somebody who's listening to
51:47
that. And if he hadn't said that,
51:49
you'd be like, wow, then that's what it is.
51:50
You know, again, people that are at a lower level or at a lesser
51:54
phase or that are just coming into something are gonna be
51:57
looking ahead and seeing people that are out here putting videos
52:01
out. Which is why I have such a, you
52:05
know, I have such a voice about people that are out here doing
52:09
some things and saying some things.
52:10
And they're not doing their due diligence, their research,
52:13
their, you know, they're not being diligent about the
52:17
position that they put themselves in.
52:20
You know, that they're out here just talking out of their butts.
52:24
A lot of them are, you know, and there's there's so many people
52:30
out here that are just and they have a huge following.
52:33
You know, that's the other thing too is, is you know, they're out
52:34
and they got a huge following. They're they're, you know,
52:37
Internet superstars. And I use that term very
52:41
loosely. Internet celebrities, what have,
52:44
you know, they have a name. They have a following.
52:46
I have a following too. But I mean it's not you.
52:49
You get what I'm trying to say. Justin here like he's he's, he's
52:52
prefacing. He's giving this disclaimer to
52:53
say I'm not at this stage, I'm not going to try to pretend that
52:57
I am. I'm just going to say what I
52:58
think, and here's what he has to think.
53:00
Well, it's like we're Wizards. Or he's saying it's like they're
53:04
Wizards. Human nature is frankly spooky,
53:09
and you get the impression somebody from phase three could
53:11
whisper to Shy La Boeuf to shut the fuck up and he would
53:14
actually listen. They give you the impression
53:18
that they have a small shack in the middle of a strip of trees
53:22
with the bones of fallen foes feeding into a garden that is
53:25
protected by geese, that they tamed in a staring con.
53:32
That's oddly specific. I personally have squirrels.
53:38
I'm saying is you don't want to upset somebody in phase three.
53:42
I mean, it is difficult to do, but if you manage it, the walls
53:48
of your asshole are going to clap shut so fast that the sound
53:51
that resonates into the wild will be the only clue of your
53:54
demise. Oh my gods, all of them.
54:02
That is hilarious. He's he's he's weaving words
54:06
himself. This is great.
54:09
I I love the This is humorous but in the best way possible.
54:14
Like I am laughing my ass off hearing him describe these
54:17
things the way he is. This is great.
54:22
People on phase three offer wisdom, insight.
54:25
Often times they offer it before you've realized that you needed
54:29
to hear it or heed it. In phase three, you should be
54:33
advising councils on what to do with rings of power or
54:36
something. I'm not really sure, but somehow
54:39
you're stuck here dealing with us.
54:41
Maybe it's your Haminga, but whatever the reason.
54:45
Hey, I like the, I like the, I like the, I like the the use of
54:49
the word in its proper context. Justin Hummingya is, you know,
54:53
our our, our luck that goes with us, the luck that we've
54:56
inherited, the luck that strengthens along us as we go
55:00
through our familial line, you know, Great application, Sir.
55:07
Very well done. Thank you.
55:08
Our face. Three people.
55:10
We know this kind of turned into a babysitting gig, except all
55:14
the kids are armed and have no concept of self preservation.
55:18
But we do appreciate you without repeating myself.
55:22
What you will be doing is whatever the fuck you feel like
55:25
and the rest of us can just deal with it.
55:27
You will come and go as you please.
55:29
Speak above the heads of the majority or speak directly to
55:32
people who think they understand but have absolutely no idea what
55:36
you're talking about, and you'll be cultivating the next
55:39
generation of leaders. You will fight to preserve the
55:42
practices and legacies you have established.
55:45
While we toil in the trenches of the drama, you offer glimpses of
55:50
the bigger. Pictures, dude, that was great.
55:58
Justin, man, I I that that's awesome, you know?
56:03
And am I at phase three? I don't know.
56:05
I mean, like I said, I'm always the learner, never the master,
56:09
you know, I never want to be. But I do know the that some of
56:15
the things that I say get, you know, they get, they get taken
56:24
with consideration. I mentioned earlier about or he
56:30
mentioned earlier percussion maintenance and that the drums
56:33
are a way for me to maintain things in my path, my
56:38
spirituality. Maybe you are also looking for
56:42
some, excuse me percussion maintenance.
56:45
Maybe you need a drum in your life, or maybe you know someone
56:48
who needs a drum in your life. Or maybe you know someone who
56:51
can get you a drum in your life because they're looking to get
56:53
you a gift for Yule coming up here soon.
56:57
The Alvatir workshop can definitely assist with that.
57:00
So let's hear a word from them before we continue.
57:02
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57:06
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57:09
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57:13
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57:16
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57:18
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57:21
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57:25
Visit our online store at the alvatir.com and discover the
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beauty of mountain spirit. And Speaking of that, the drums
57:38
that you see, the lot of the the the art, the the the artwork is
57:42
is. I mean everything is here that
57:44
you see the the the drum, the the hammer rattle that's in the
57:47
back there. There's some other things on
57:48
here that don't really make themselves too obvious.
57:52
They are all from Fialvetir, so check out the description and
57:58
show notes of this podcast for their website.
58:03
They do have a a a very quick turn around.
58:07
They're usually a day or two or more ahead of schedule when it
58:10
comes to shipping to make sure, especially this time of year,
58:13
that they are doing everything in their power and their
58:17
capabilities to get things out to the people on time before the
58:22
holidays. You know you can't control the
58:27
United States Postal Service or any other international excuse
58:30
me, shipping means FedEx, UPS, whatever.
58:34
But if you all of us here does everything that they can
58:36
possible to make sure that they're doing their part to get
58:39
things out. And that way the couriers, you
58:42
know nothing is held up on their end.
58:44
If anything is held up, it's on the Courier side.
58:46
So check them out, links in the description and show notes.
58:51
But yeah, if you want to listen to more of of of the heathen
58:54
nerds stuff, check out their socials that are linked down
58:57
below as well, because there might be some more stuff that we
59:01
didn't listen to today but that was, you know, that was phase
59:04
1-2 and three of your Norse paganism.
59:07
Now where do you find yourself, you know, where do you classify
59:11
yourself? Are you in that phase one still
59:13
learning, you know, skull everybody, this and brother,
59:16
sister, everyone that. Are you kind of in that middle
59:20
stage where you're finding your voice and establishing yourself
59:26
and wanting to speak on things that you are convicted in and
59:33
want to share your thoughts with others to kind of help them, you
59:37
know, maybe guide them or or show them things the way you see
59:40
them, right. Or are you on that kind of phase
59:44
three end of the spectrum where you're kind of doing whatever
59:47
the fuck you want to do? You figured it out to the degree
59:51
that you want to carry yourself and and being that sort of an
59:56
elusive, kind of wild, interesting person that some
1:00:02
people get, but everybody else you're just like, yeah, maybe,
1:00:06
maybe you get it, maybe you don't.
1:00:07
I don't know. It'd be interesting.
1:00:12
But what else makes us heathen, You know, or or or What do you
1:00:17
do once you've discovered that you're heathen?
1:00:20
You kind of have to again like you know, I think this video
1:00:22
really fits well with the discussion today because where
1:00:26
are you in your phase of things? Do you want to go a bit more
1:00:31
into the historical reconstructionist old ways style
1:00:36
of things? Maybe you know where where where
1:00:40
is your interest, where is your where is where are things
1:00:44
pulling you towards right? Are you going into more of a new
1:00:48
ways right where you sort of use the the Norse Germanic model or
1:00:54
aesthetic on things and and overlay it into a very neo
1:00:58
Pagan, modern, Wiccan style of things?
1:01:04
It's not about, you know you're wrong if you're doing it that
1:01:08
way. It's just a matter of I think
1:01:10
you know if you're going to find yourself under the the
1:01:16
description of heathen there are definite things that go with
1:01:21
that right. My personal opinion OK and and
1:01:30
we'll wrap it up here soon because I don't want to get too
1:01:33
deep into things for sake of time and are we going now for an
1:01:36
hour is is that you know if I'm going to be a a Germanic heathen
1:01:41
then I'm going to follow things as closely as I can to what we
1:01:47
know as how ancient Germanic Heathens pre Christian Germanic
1:01:54
peoples view the world. When did they observe their holy
1:01:57
tithes how did they reckon time what did they do when a child
1:02:01
was born what did they do when they claimed land what you know
1:02:08
what was their perspective of the afterlife.
1:02:11
What was their perspective of the complex soul or the soul
1:02:15
complex, right? How did they view themselves in
1:02:17
one another, right? Where did they go when they
1:02:22
died? Does it even matter, right?
1:02:24
All of these various things that are very heathen specific
1:02:30
worldviews that if all you're doing is just, you know, holding
1:02:36
your Yule celebration in December and and holding it for
1:02:40
12 nights and you're calling yourself Heathen in my opinion,
1:02:45
right? And again don't don't take this
1:02:47
with more than just what it. What I'm saying right now is
1:02:51
that that is not particularly heathen.
1:02:55
It's Pagan. You can you can hold Yule for
1:02:58
however many nights you really feel like the ancient Heathens
1:03:02
pre Christian heathens did it for three nights and they did it
1:03:07
on the first full moon after the first new moon following the
1:03:09
winter solstice. They didn't do it for 12 nights
1:03:12
in December on the winter solstice.
1:03:16
They did it when they did it right.
1:03:18
And if that's all you're and I'm just again spitballing using
1:03:21
using an example if that's all you're going to classify your
1:03:25
heathenry around, then you probably got more things to
1:03:28
research and more things to learn before you can officially
1:03:34
or you know with conviction call yourself heathen.
1:03:37
Now, again, does it matter in the long run what you call
1:03:39
yourself Again, I'm not going to sit back here and watch or
1:03:43
listen or or, you know, observe anybody else's posts online or
1:03:48
whatever and be like, well, you're not a heathen.
1:03:50
Why you call yourself heathen? I, you know, you observe the
1:03:52
Wiccan sabbaths or, you know, this thing that or the other.
1:03:56
I'm not going to do that. None of my business.
1:03:58
Right. Going back to Eric Shervin from
1:04:02
the Ravens, call not my hall, not my call.
1:04:07
And I will always give credit to Eric for that because that is
1:04:12
probably one of the greatest monikers, one of one of the
1:04:15
greatest phrases maybe is a better term.
1:04:17
But yeah, it's not my hall, not my call.
1:04:20
Do what you want to do. If you're interested and you
1:04:23
want to know more, you want to learn more than definitely
1:04:26
follow Midgard musings. I mean, again, I try to share
1:04:29
things knowledge wise, how how much I can or how much I'm able
1:04:34
to post things about, you know, the content that's related to
1:04:37
Germanic, Heathenry, to to the to, to the degree that I feel is
1:04:44
is the most accurate for for the time I don't post everything, I
1:04:48
am not a full time social media content creator.
1:04:52
Are there other content creators out there?
1:04:55
Yes absolutely that are doing great things that are that are
1:04:58
sharing invaluable information to help people that are
1:05:03
interested in growing in their way.
1:05:06
You know but you know are are are you restricted to to your
1:05:11
title of Heathenry based off of when you hold your holidays what
1:05:17
clothes you wear what jewelry you wear do you have a beard you
1:05:21
know you know that sort of thing.
1:05:26
No, they they are again, they are, they are those types of
1:05:31
things. I think you know your identity,
1:05:33
how you are, want to be perceived, your your
1:05:35
personality. The the, the thing that you're
1:05:37
really capturing, especially when you first come into this
1:05:41
is, is it, It's an aesthetic, you know.
1:05:43
So we associate this type of belief with a certain look, but
1:05:52
it's not what defines you, it's not what defines you, you know,
1:05:56
and if all you're going to do is get caught up in the the, the
1:05:59
names, the titles you're you're, you're going to slow yourself
1:06:05
down. Honestly, learn as much as you
1:06:09
can. Find out where you want to be.
1:06:12
Don't go places just because everybody else is going places.
1:06:16
If you feel pulled or drawn or inspired to do something else,
1:06:23
follow something else, explore other areas, then go for it.
1:06:28
You know? Now that doesn't mean that it's
1:06:30
going to fall under the heathen, right?
1:06:32
Quote UN quote Heathen way of doing things or or or or heathen
1:06:38
worldview of things. But does it have to?
1:06:41
No, not necessarily. You can.
1:06:42
You can be many things. You can wear many hats.
1:06:49
But you know, for me personally, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've
1:06:51
reached a point in my life where you know, having I don't like to
1:06:55
be all over the place. I don't like to, you know, well,
1:06:57
one day I feel like I want to worship, you know, you know, in
1:07:00
a way that that is reminiscent of how the Greeks did it.
1:07:04
And then at another time of day or week or month or whatever, I
1:07:07
want to do it how, you know, the Asiatic peoples did it or or or
1:07:11
or or, you know, Japanese Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, you
1:07:17
know, And then I'm going to come back at some time of the year
1:07:20
and I'll do it the Germanic way. I like experiencing the
1:07:27
knowledge that comes from from researching those things.
1:07:29
But ultimately at the end of the day I I'm heathen.
1:07:32
I I view the world as a heathen would view the world the least
1:07:36
to the best of my knowledge. You know and the the tribe that
1:07:41
I am oath to the tribe that I serve is a Germanic heathen
1:07:45
tribe. And so we build our tribal
1:07:49
structure around the pre Christian Germanic heathen
1:07:54
models right. So when we gather, when we do
1:07:57
our things, that is how we collectively view the world, how
1:08:02
individuals of the tribe view the world and how individuals
1:08:05
want to do their thing that is sovereign to them.
1:08:07
And that is what we believe. We, we believe in the
1:08:09
sovereignty of hearth. So my perspective on things
1:08:15
doesn't necessarily reflect the entire tribe's perspective on
1:08:20
things, but when we come together as a tribe, we share
1:08:23
that commonality. So anyways, there you guys go,
1:08:29
right? What do you do once you've
1:08:31
identified yourself as a healing?
1:08:32
What do you do once you're healing?
1:08:35
Well, you do it all. You, you, you, you, you get in
1:08:37
there, you get your hands dirty, get ready for criticism.
1:08:43
Be, be you know you got to have some thick skin.
1:08:47
You got to have some thick skin because there's there's going to
1:08:49
be points and there's going to be moments.
1:08:51
There's going to be times when you have things that you want to
1:08:54
talk about or you want to say, you want to share, and
1:08:58
inevitably you're going to have people come fire back on you and
1:09:01
be like, Nah, dude, Nah, girl, right, whatever.
1:09:05
And you got to know how to approach that.
1:09:11
You know some people come at you with good intentions, some
1:09:15
people come at you just to be jerks.
1:09:16
There are trolls out there. Know the landscape.
1:09:20
Know when to pick your battles. Especially again now and today,
1:09:24
if you're if you're a person that is on social media to any
1:09:26
degree, then I'm probably creation to the choir with with
1:09:29
regards to this. You know, I I can't tell you how
1:09:32
many times I bite my proverbial tongue when looking at some
1:09:39
stuff online, right? You know, you'd be like well, I
1:09:41
want to say this thing that or the other because you're off the
1:09:45
mark here. Is that the way to go about it?
1:09:51
I don't know. It's up to you to decide.
1:09:54
But yeah, there we guys go. So you know Justin, he's a nerd.
1:09:59
Guys. Check him out in the links in
1:10:02
the description and and show notes below.
1:10:05
If you do go check him out, maybe just drop a comment on his
1:10:08
stuff and tell him that Midgard Musings directed you over there.
1:10:12
It'd be interesting to see how many of how much of my audience
1:10:17
follows him now after this episode, just to kind of track
1:10:22
and see, you know, be interesting.
1:10:25
Anyways, I hope you all enjoyed today's video.
1:10:27
For those of you that are watching on Patreon, thank you
1:10:29
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1:10:33
the audio platforms enjoyed listening and I hope it's been
1:10:36
helpful. You know, we got one more
1:10:39
episode to wrap up this year's season, so season four is going
1:10:44
to be wrapping up next week. I did mention last time on the
1:10:47
podcast that we were going to have an episode with myself and
1:10:51
John talking about his experience with Freya.
1:10:54
Due to the tornado activity that happened just this past week in
1:10:57
Tennessee, we had to cancel and reschedule.
1:11:00
So we will be doing that sometime in 2024.
1:11:04
Don't have a a date set just yet, but we will be figuring it
1:11:08
out and we will be doing it. So more to come on that.
1:11:11
So that'll be happening in Season 5 and what else?
1:11:17
Yeah, we're going to be doing that.
1:11:21
There was something else I think I was going to say, but it's
1:11:23
somehow evading my mind. Oh, so one more episode of
1:11:27
season four and Friday. Believe it's Friday the 22nd.
1:11:36
Yeah, Friday, December 22nd on YouTube, Facebook, both.
1:11:43
So you guys, be sure to to subscribe to the YouTube channel
1:11:46
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1:11:48
We'll be doing a live stream on both those platforms and and
1:11:52
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1:11:58
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1:12:01
Facebook. Sid Ryder of Inner Demon Media
1:12:06
and Josh Thompson, my my go the of of 30 folk.
1:12:11
We're all going to be meeting and and doing a virtual panel to
1:12:15
answer your questions about the 2023 fire on the mountain
1:12:18
summit. I've I've done a couple of
1:12:20
podcasts well more than just a couple.
1:12:21
You guys know I've talked about it before and we want to answer
1:12:25
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1:12:27
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1:12:33
Central time on Friday December 22nd and we're just going to be
1:12:37
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1:12:39
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1:12:41
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1:12:48
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1:12:52
that's happening. But yeah, that's about it for
1:12:55
this week's episode and today's topic, so I hope you all enjoyed
1:12:58
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1:12:59
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1:13:32
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1:13:35
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1:13:38
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1:13:50
Next week's episode, the last episode of season four.
1:13:55
Take care of yourselves. May the gods continue to notice
1:13:57
you and may your ancestors smile upon you.
1:14:01
See you in the next one.