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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day.
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  We don't have camera hands. We can use headphones or no,
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  we don't need them. Okay. Whatever you think. We have
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  to wear your sweet hat. I don't want to fuck
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  it up. There you go. We just got it. Look,
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  we got an American flag. We got a skull. We
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  got camo. What the fuck else do you want? Are
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  you American or not? Look at this. Oh, nice, dude.
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  You're all in for... 250, the 250th anniversary.
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  Speaker 1: It's also the only socks I brought on this trip somehow,
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  so I wear them every day now.
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  Speaker 2: You only brought one pair or one style?
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  Speaker 1: No, one pair of socks and no underwear.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God, I've done that before. We have to wash
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  your socks in the sink with shampoo, with hotel shampoo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then wear them when they're wet.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like I went on a run here.
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  Speaker 2: It is muggy. Oh, yeah, baby.
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  Speaker 1: I sweated my ass off.
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  Speaker 2: That's the fear of this weekend at the UFC.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because it's East Coast. It gets very muggy. Yeah,
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  for sure. And D.C. So these guys are all working
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  out outside right now. I saw a video of Eamon
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  Zahabi working out outside and Ilya Toporia is working out outside. And,
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  you know, you have to feel that that heavy, heavy air.
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  It changes things. Oh, yeah, man. I remember when I
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  was a kid, I went to the Olympic Training Center
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  in Colorado Springs. I see those thunderstorms, dude.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We're fucked. Fuck. There is a canopy that's over the cage.
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  They put a canopy over the cage.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if lightning hits that, that's not good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if it hits the canopy, I think we're okay.
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  I think I'm more worried about a terrorist attack than
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  I am a fucking lightning. No, that's true. But I
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  probably should be more worried about lightning. I actually have
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  friends that have been hit by lightning. We do. Remy.
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  Remy got hit by lightning. Yeah, for sure. That was full.
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  I don't know anybody that's been hit by a terrorist attack.
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  I almost got hit the other day. By lightning? Yeah,
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  we had crazy storms here. Were you playing golf? No,
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  but I was outside. Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I thought the storm was over, and I was out
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  on my balcony, and I was like, wow, this is cool.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's not a good spot to be. One hit.
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  I'm 500 feet in the sky. I'm already up there.
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  And then it hit, and I started hearing sizzling near me.
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  I'm like, holy shit. I got to get inside. Like
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  electricity sizzling? I was like, what the fuck is that?
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  Where is it sizzling? Oh, my God. That's so scary.
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  That's such a fucked up way to go. Do you
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  ever see that one video where the guy is walking
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  down the street, and he gets hit by lightning? He
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  wakes up, walks down the street a little bit further.
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  He's recovering and he gets hit again. Dude got hit
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  by lightning twice. I don't know if it's time lapse
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  or I don't know how long he was out for.
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  Because it's like one of those ring cams that catches him.
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  This guy got fucking cooked twice. You know you're having
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  a bad day. I forget what Remy said happened to
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  him after he got hit. But I remember his hearing
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  was fucked up for a long time or something. Something
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  like that. I was shocked.
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  Speaker 1: We do the mountains back home, like run them. And there's,
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  we were up on diamond peak, me and Tanner last
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  year and a storm, you know, kind of like the
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  weather report, like having some clouds or whatever, it wasn't
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  supposed to be thunderstorms, but you could hear kind of growling.
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  And you're like, God, is that coming this way? And
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  it doesn't have to be that close. I mean, I think,
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  I think lightning can hit from 10 miles away.
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  Speaker 2: Really? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It can go that it can go sideways. So anyway,
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  If you see that building, you should get off the top.
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  Speaker 2: Of a mountain, right?
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  Speaker 1: Well, me and Tanner were up there and we're still
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  wanting to get to summit and then bomb off. Well,
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  we're up there and he goes, he goes, dad, he goes, watch.
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  And he had, we had trekking poles and he had
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  them like this. And they're, they're like ticking, like electricity
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  was in his trekking poles. Then we, I said, let's
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  get the fuck off this thing. And so we bombed
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  off and there's these kids down that were like, they said,
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  should we go up? And I said, I'd wait a
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  little bit, and the girl's hair was standing up.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. Yeah,
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  it is nuts. Fuck that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they— This guy died in Florida last year
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  in what they call blue sky lightning.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it can— it jumped from several miles away.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: He was just standing on the beach. There was a
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  blue sky above. Storm was near them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it can go— I know I looked
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  it up after that because I was like, well, I
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  need to know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in the mountains all the time. His death nonetheless
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  serves a grim reminder that Florida led the U.S. in
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  both lightning fatalities, 12, and strikes per square mile, 76.
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  Holy shit. By the way, did you see that guy
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  in Florida that he was running from the cops and
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  he got killed by an alligator? No. Did you see
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  that one?
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  Speaker 1: Uh-uh.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, it's body cam footage. The cops got the gun
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  out and he's like, stop, stop, stop. The guy's running.
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  He's going in the water and all of a sudden, boom. Boom.
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  I'd rather get shot. I'd rather get shot. I'd rather
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  get shot than get killed by a fucking dinosaur. Oh,
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  my God. If you get shot, the bullet's going to
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  hurt like fuck. You're going to be in shock. You're
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  going to realize you're bleeding out. You're going to have
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  to say, I wish I was a better person. I'm
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  going to miss my family. But that fucking alligator is
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  going to take a while to kill you. It's going
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  to roll with you. It's going to drag you under
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  the water. You're going to realize you can't get free.
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  You're going to try to poke its eyes. It's not
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  going to work.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a miserable existence until it's over.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see that one video of a dude? He
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  got attacked by an alligator, lost his arm, so he
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  bit his fucking arm off, and he made his way
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  back home. So they're talking to him right when he
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  got out of the swamp, and he got one arm.
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  And he looked like... There's not a chance in hell
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  he was sober during any of this experience. He looked
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  like he had been messed up since the fucking 12th grade. Oh,
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  my God. Yeah, this is the dude. He just fucking
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  lost his stump. Yeah, that's where I was. He wanted
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  for three fucking days with one arm. Oh, my God.
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  But first of all, how do you not bleed out?
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  I know, dude. That's what I was going to say.
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  Did you keep pressure on that thing? Yeah, we can
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  listen to it here. What was he saying? What was
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  he saying? On my right-hand side. So I went to swim.
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  She got my forearm, so I grabbed her like this. Like,
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  she's trying to roll, but she snapped her head, so
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  my arm went backwards like this completely.
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  Speaker 5: He says, he fought for his life.
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  Speaker 2: She drug me under three times. I like how that
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  area comes in so important. He says, he fought for
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  his life. I can just imagine them in an editing bay.
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  Should I do that again? Is that good? I know.
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  He says, he fought for his life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got that part with the no arm.
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  Speaker 2: We.
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  Speaker 1: I went ahead and assumed that.
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  Speaker 2: They fucking wandered through alligator and snake infested swamp for
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  three fucking days.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for telling us what we need to be believing here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I went alligator hunting out there a
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  few years ago, you know, that alligator that we shot
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  that's in the front. Bro, they're everywhere. Yeah. If you
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  ever want to come, it's really fun. I'd like to.
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  I know you don't do much hunting outside of bow hunting. Yeah.
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  But they need to be killed. They're vastly overpopulated. But
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  you can't do a bow? You can, but it's... Yeah. Well,
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  that's like everything. It's pretty sketchy. But this, you know...
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  That's a grizzly hunt. I know Dudley's killed alligators with
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  a bow in Florida. Yeah. You just got to catch
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  them in the right spot. You got to basically hit
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  them like right behind the head. Yeah. And I think
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  you'd probably hit them with a fixed blade, right? Yeah,
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  for sure. Like an iron will or something? You got
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  to brain them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So there's like a bump back there. Then it's like
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  halfway in between the eye and the bump.
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  Speaker 2: Something like that. So you want to be like 20 yards. Yeah,
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  it's got to be close. So you can just fucking
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  exit right in there.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: The good thing about that, if you fuck up and
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  just kind of ricochet, it's going to be fine.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Literally.
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  Speaker 1: It's not making– if you go for the lungs and miss,
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  hit it in the stomach, that's not good.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be pretty sick and miserable death.
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  Speaker 2: It'll probably still live. Those fucking things are such monsters.
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  They're such monsters.
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  Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, we've killed bear– Kip killed
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  a bear up at the rivets with three legs.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I'm just like, how? One of them will
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  eat the other one's leg.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They'll bite their fucking legs off. But, like, how do
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  you– How do you survive?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to get antibiotics for like a hangnail.
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  Speaker 2: I think our whole biome is probably all fucked up
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  from washing it all the time. Yeah, probably. I mean,
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  it completely makes sense, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Animals don't seem to get a whole lot of infections
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  like we do unless they're farm animals. Right. Or like occasionally,
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  it happens all the time in the rut, right? Like
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  when you're dressing an animal, you find all these holes
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  in the side of it where they're like pussy. I
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  remember one of the elk that we shot at Tohon
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  had his back leg was just filled with pus. Like
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  the whole back, it was all pus because he had
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  gotten stabbed.
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  Speaker 1: It's usually in that back because usually they turn because
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  they know they're getting their ass kicked. And so it's
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  in their hind quarter. It's like the dominant bull gets
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  a jab in before they go.
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  Speaker 2: And you've seen those Tohon bulls, those 1100 pound fuckers.
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  Imagine one of those stabbing you in the head. No.
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  Speaker 1: And also if you see... antlers there that are broke
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  because they're so heavy.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's, that bone is so thick for their antlers.
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  If a bull's break, imagine the force required to break that.
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  Speaker 2: And imagine that going right up your ass. God. For
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  my camera guy, that'd be a dream. But for most
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  of us, no. They find them, you know, with these
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  holes in them. Like when, when you shoot them and
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  you find out like what they've been through, like no
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  wonder why they barely moved when they get hit with
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  an arrow. Yeah. They probably didn't even know. When two
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  bulls are fighting and then one of them gets hit
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  with an arrow, they barely react. No. They'd be like, what?
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  What was that? A fly landed on me? It's crazy.
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  They're just so locked into war.
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  Speaker 1: Especially if you get in between their ribs and don't
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  hit anything.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Just slices right through. Just like that bull would
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  be like, ow. Wait, what? What was that, nothing? And
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  all of a sudden, ooh, I'm feeling woozy. Yeah. Hey,
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  did you find that video? See if you can find
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  the video of the guy with the body cam footage
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  getting killed by the alligator.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't very good.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to see it. You can see it a
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  little bit, though. I just think it's exciting.
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  Speaker 1: You love watching chaos online.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I do. Put the headphones
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  on there. I like the music. Okay. So here it is.
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  The cop's got his gun out. Oh, this isn't a
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  very good. Yeah. See, the cop's got his gun out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like trying to think of what to do.
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  And this dude's getting jacked. Oh, there goes the alligator
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  to him. Woo, shit. Yeah. Oh, did you see that
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  line of the alligator? Yeah, back that up a little
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  bit so you can see it. So the dude's trying
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  to swim away. And look at the alligator. Boom. That's
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  a wrap, son. Did he put his hands up here?
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  I don't think so. I think he just, so back
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  it up a little bit more. So you see the
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  guy swimming away. What's that?
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  Speaker 4: It's a different version.
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  Speaker 2: Another same lady narrating. That's when a gator slammed right
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  towards him. And that's not good. I mean, it was
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  a full-on attack. It was a full-on attack. Like as if, what,
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  halfway attack? It's a fucking dinosaur. There was another story
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  in Florida a few years back where a guy was
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  running from the cops. I think it was a high-speed chase.
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  Gets to a bridge, stops the car, throws it in park,
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  jumps off the bridge. Boom, alligator gets him. Literally like
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  landed right on a fucking alligator. But that's the reality
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  of the water. All the fresh water in Florida is
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  filled with alligators. They have to check Disneyland all the
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  time or Disney World. They have to check it all
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  the time. Remember a little kid got killed there a
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  few years ago? Imagine you take your kid to fucking
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  Disney World and it gets killed by a dinosaur. Rough. Whoa.
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  Speaker 1: And also it's like, you know how, I don't know,
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  you have dogs, but are they ever around when you're
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  eating and like something falls on the ground? They're always
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  checking the ground. Well, that's what alligators do in the water.
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  They're just sitting there just chilling out. They hear a
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  little splash.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, like a dog. Was that a?
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  Speaker 1: A crumb hitting the the floor at the dinner table
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  yeah exactly so there's over there and they'll just eat
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  whatever hit the.
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  Speaker 2: Water especially if something seems like it's struggling yeah oh
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  i got you opportunists yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're so they're just chilling just waiting for shit to
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  hit the water which is that's what fishing is too
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  you know you see that the fly is hatching you
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  try to match it try to put it on there
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  and like they're like okay got one to hit the
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  water right but yeah alligators are masters of taking advantage
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  of opportunity and every once in a while some comes
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  off a bridge and hey big meal.
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  Speaker 2: Really shocking how many of them there are in the Everglades. Like,
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  you know, I went, I guess it was three years ago.
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  And when we were there, it's like everywhere you look,
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  you have to look for an alligator. It's like nothing
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  I've ever seen. I thought it'd be hard to find them.
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  I thought like we'd go out there, you know, you
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  look around, you probably glass a little, see eyeballs pop up. No,
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  they're fucking all over the water. Like how many would
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  you see? We saw 15, 20, maybe more, maybe 30.
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  You see like some movement on the water and then
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  they dunk under and you're in the fucking swamp, man.
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  It's sketchy as shit. The whole feeling. I've never done it.
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  It's very weird. It's very weird because you're like, this
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  is a mess. Yeah. Like the feeling that you get there, like, oh,
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  this is infested. Like you're infested by dinosaurs. And then meanwhile,
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  you go an hour and a half later, you're in
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  Miami having a steak, drinking an iced Pinot Noir. You
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  think you're in civilization. You're fucking a half a day's
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  drive from monsters.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: An infested jungle filled with monsters.
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  Speaker 1: And imagine if you weren't in a boat. Like, what
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  if you were to somehow— something happened to the boat?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're fucked. Yeah. What would you do if, like,
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  the boat sank out there? Well, we weren't in a boat. Oh, okay.
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  We drove out. We were with guides, and we drove
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  out in trucks.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And they know, like, where the lake areas are, where
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  the— you know, it's very dense out there. It's very thick.
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  It's just hot and muggy, and these fuckers just— You
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  see them pop up. You see the eyeballs pop up.
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  You see some motion. But you fucking see them everywhere.
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  And then you look around at how big the Everglades
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  is and you go, how many of them are out here?
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  Because it's not like we found the honey spot. You
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  know what I mean? It's like the whole Everglades. And
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  when I was a kid, I lived down there in
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  Florida when I was 11 years old, from 11 to 13.
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  I lived in Gainesville. And there was alligators back then,
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  but they were endangered. And so you weren't allowed to
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  kill them. And so they would kill people's dogs and shit.
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  I remember this lady in my neighborhood. Her dog got jacked.
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  She was walking her dog by Lake Alice and it
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  just snatched her dog and took it away. This is
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  like the late 70s. And we were feeding them marshmallows.
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  So you go to the dock and you throw marshmallows
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  and the alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows.
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  And it was– It was weird. It was like, it's
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  kind of cool that they're there. It freaks you out
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  a little bit, but they weren't dangerous. Right. Cut to
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  all these years later. Now, because no one hunted them,
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  because they basically were making shoes out of them back
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  in the day. And they almost hunted them to extinction.
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  And they should probably start that again.
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  Speaker 1: We need to bring alligator shoes back.
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  Speaker 2: Back in the 70s, that was the cool shoes. In
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  the pool halls where I used to play pool, the
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  old guys would talk about how a guy was really
• 15:27
  dressed up. He had his gators on. He looked good.
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  He had a nice suit. He had his gators on.
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  His gators. I got gator boots. Alligator shoes. Lucchese. Yeah.
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  Gator boots seem to be a different thing. Because it
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  kind of almost makes sense because you get boots that
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  are made out of snake skin and ostrich. That's kind
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  of a cowboy boot thing. But alligator dress shoes, you've
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  got your gators on them. Very hard to get. Polish
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  it nice. That's Ric Flair. Oh, yeah. Remember Ric Flair?
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  That's right. I love that. Bro, I got to apologize
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  to Ric Flair. He got scammed. So some person reached
• 16:09
  out and said that they were representing this podcast and
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  that he was going to come on the podcast. I
• 16:15
  think Tim Dillon, this happened with him too. It didn't
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  happen with him where they got him, but they send
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  you an email saying that they're going to have you
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  come on a podcast, but they need your bank information. Yeah,
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  they'll pay you.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like $ 3, 000 because I've got those too.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: And what it really is is they're just going to
• 16:34
  empty your bank account, and it's just a scam. So
• 16:38
  if you get an email like that from me, it's
• 16:40
  not real. Sorry, Ric Flair. So Ric Flair, I don't
• 16:43
  know if he lost his money, but Tim Dillon, they
• 16:45
  tried to get him on Amy Poehler's show. So that's
• 16:49
  the scam. The scam was– They reached out to– he
• 16:51
  talked about it on his podcast. The scammer reached out, said,
• 16:55
  I'm representing the Amy Poehler Show. We would love to
• 16:57
  have you on. And he was like, that doesn't seem
• 17:00
  like that would be a good thing for Amy Poehler.
• 17:03
  I don't think I'm a good guest. He was like,
• 17:06
  I don't think this is real. And then it says,
• 17:08
  we need your bank account information. And so many people
• 17:11
  just like don't think about it or they're boomers.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Or– They make it seem legit because I know Pat McAfee.
• 17:19
  I got an email from them about coming on the show.
• 17:22
  And I'd been kind of communicating with some of those
• 17:24
  guys before. And so I'm like, maybe. I mean, for me,
• 17:28
  it's like a big deal, like ESPN and Pat McAfee.
• 17:31
  He's like, to me, he reminds me of you. He
• 17:33
  just kind of does what says whatever he wants.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: He's free.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: If the bosses say whatever, he's like, fuck off. I
• 17:38
  just love that. unfiltered, like true thoughts.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: And he's a guy that's got fuck you money that says,
• 17:44
  fuck you. That's what I love. It's just, it's beautiful.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, I celebrate that's, that's a, you know,
• 17:51
  first amendment in his glory right there.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: And he seems like a genuine good. Yeah. Yeah. I
• 17:56
  don't know him, but it's, I don't know him either,
• 17:58
  but when you hear a guy talk enough. Yeah. Yeah.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: You can assume, or you can like put the pieces
• 18:03
  of the puzzle together, but And they've wore my stuff
• 18:05
  on there. So I'm like, oh, maybe this is real.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:08
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• 18:13
  just a great guy. But he he said, no, it's
• 18:16
  not not legit. But they had me because it was
• 18:18
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• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody asked me like, hey, you know, they said, well,
• 19:35
  they said, can you do anything about it? Unfortunately, I can't.
• 19:39
  Like there's nothing you could do other than tell people
• 19:41
  it's a scam. I don't want to tell you how
• 19:44
  I get guests. I don't want to like give up
• 19:46
  the process. But I have a guy. and I have
• 19:51
  this guy reach out to people. And, you know, I
• 19:53
  don't want to talk too much about it because I
• 19:54
  don't want people to imitate that and pretend that that's
• 19:57
  how they do it. But if you get an email here, yeah,
• 20:01
  if you get an email asking for your bank account information,
• 20:05
  it's not me. And it's probably not Anna Faris or
• 20:08
  Amy Poehler or Tim Dillon or any of those other people.
• 20:11
  It's all bullshit. There's scumbags out there, unfortunately. If you
• 20:15
  say you have some elk meat you'll share, that might
• 20:17
  be real. Nope. I share with friends and family. That's it.
• 20:22
  I'm not giving it out to weirdos. But you're bringing
• 20:25
  some bear meat. I know. Dude, I said you're in trouble.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: You got a lot of notes.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: We got notes. I got shit we're going to discuss today.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I had a scientist on yesterday. He had less notes.
• 20:37
  I know. I'm ready. Well, we had some- First of all,
• 20:40
  before we go any further, what's going on with your tooth?
• 20:42
  Why you got a gold tooth? I love it. Yeah.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of a joke, but I've been for
• 20:51
  years obsessed with perfect teeth, right?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And that's like Adam green shoes always bust your balls.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I did like the, the white strips and
• 20:59
  all this other shit. And like, I always cared about
• 21:02
  what would just probably care too much. So now I
• 21:06
  don't care what I look like, but, um, what, what changed? Uh,
• 21:10
  I don't know. I, I've just like been playing the
• 21:13
  game too long. Now it's just like, I'm just done.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: And, and the game's not over.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, even though I'm saying I don't want to play anymore,
• 21:20
  game still goes on. So it's like, I'm still part
• 21:23
  of it. But anyway, I was getting this.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Okay. Long story short.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Um, I had, I broke this in high school, so
• 21:31
  I had a fake tooth since high school. And, uh, yeah,
• 21:35
  this is like long story, kissing this girl, basketball, hit
• 21:37
  me back in the head, broke the tooth.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Anyway, broke the teeth on her teeth. Yeah. So she
• 21:41
  had pieces of teeth in her lip. Um, Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: It was, uh, Jack Devereux did that. But anyway, um,
• 21:50
  We so I got it fixed, got a few different
• 21:53
  iterations of it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Finally found one that looked good.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I go in there. I hadn't been in the
• 21:56
  dentist in forever because I just hate going. And they said, oh,
• 22:00
  you got a cavity under that. What a composite is
• 22:04
  what it was called.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, OK, cool.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: So we got to take it off, fix the cavity.
• 22:08
  Then you get a whole nother one.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, whatever.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: So I go back in there and next next appointment,
• 22:15
  they take it off. No cavity.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: But now I just have this.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Like whittled down regular tooth, just like a, like a post.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Of a tooth. So because they removed the cavity? Because
• 22:25
  there was no cavity. There was no cavity. Jesus Christ.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: They thought on the x-ray there was. So they had the, anyway,
• 22:30
  the cap or the composites gone. So they said, well,
• 22:33
  you need to go and match the color of your
• 22:35
  teeth for your new fake tooth. And in Springfield, swing
• 22:41
  by this Springfield, whatever they do there for dentistry. So
• 22:46
  I go in there and they said, The girl there goes, hey,
• 22:48
  my husband, Nate, makes some really cool gold teeth.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: He does a really good job. Do you want a
• 22:52
  gold one? And I was like, wait.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: And so she's like, we'll do a white one, too.
• 22:57
  But a gold one might just be fun. And then
• 22:59
  I'm like, yeah, it'd be fun. So I told Trace,
• 23:02
  I'm just going to do it just a day or two.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: So this has been months now. You're going to keep it?
• 23:07
  I don't know. I kind of like it. I kind
• 23:09
  of like it, too. I kind of like it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It's like everybody, you know, everybody's got.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Regular teeth.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Nobody's got gold teeth.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Not anymore. It was a thing back in the day. Remember,
• 23:18
  Mike Tyson had a gold tooth for a while.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Well, this is like my savings account because I figure
• 23:22
  that I'm going to lose everything because I'm such.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: A fuck-up, but I'll still have this. I can sell that.
• 23:27
  Just pull that sucker out and you can buy a cheeseburger. Yeah.
• 23:29
  If I get in a bind, right? It's like, hey, well,
• 23:31
  I got this. I have one crown. I have one
• 23:34
  fake tooth back here. I cracked one of my molars.
• 23:37
  I had a root canal. And then it– like, so–
• 23:41
  Then they had to put like a crown on it
• 23:43
  and then it cracked. Yeah. And so now I got
• 23:45
  to get another one because I got a little piece
• 23:47
  of it missing. I think I'm going to get a
• 23:49
  gold one. Nice. Get a gold one right here. Do it.
• 23:51
  Do it. I'm going to. Now you inspired me. Also,
• 23:55
  it's in the back so you won't see it all
• 23:56
  the time until I give you a big cheese. Yeah. Well.
• 24:00
  I'm going to get it. I'm copying you.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: When you're cracking up, you always do a big smile.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: So that'll, when people see it, that'll be fun.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Fortunately, I laugh a lot. I know. I live a
• 24:09
  happy life. Yeah, you do.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: You're crushing it lately.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's just keep your foot on the gas. Same
• 24:16
  old stuff, right? Just keep going.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I can't believe, I look at your guests and it's
• 24:19
  just like nonstop, dude. It's like, it's people see like
• 24:23
  all your success. You'd think most people would be like, okay,
• 24:26
  I'm good. I'll put off the gas.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: You don't. No. I mean, you work your ass off. Well,
• 24:32
  you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do
• 24:36
  anything like what I can do. And very few human
• 24:39
  beings get this opportunity. And I feel insanely fortunate and
• 24:44
  also very responsible. Like I'm responsible for this whole thing.
• 24:49
  I have to keep it rolling. I know people are
• 24:51
  addicted to it. They love it. They want the variety.
• 24:54
  They want scientists. They want guys like you. They want
• 24:56
  athletes and fighters. They want all this shit. They want
• 24:58
  to hear all these different people talk, all these different perspectives.
• 25:02
  And it's a huge obligation. I feel connected to all
• 25:06
  these people. I know I don't talk to them all
• 25:08
  the time. I don't say– but I feel it. I
• 25:10
  know it and I'm dedicated. So I just keep my
• 25:13
  foot on the gas. I never say, oh, I can't
• 25:16
  believe I have to do this. Oh, I can't believe
• 25:18
  I have to show up. I just– I always try
• 25:21
  to reset every day and go, God, I'm so lucky.
• 25:24
  I'm so fortunate. And then when you have that opportunity,
• 25:27
  I think it's a terrible tragedy, a travesty to not
• 25:31
  capitalize on it, to not like make the most out
• 25:35
  of it because I know that it's like very few
• 25:37
  human beings in the world. Well, I mean how many
• 25:42
  people have ever had the number one podcast? It's always
• 25:45
  gone like back and forth. I've had it for like
• 25:48
  six years now, six or seven, might be seven years now.
• 25:52
  And it's like, I'm not, I'm not keeping my foot
• 25:55
  off the gas. I'm going to do exactly what I'm doing.
• 25:57
  I'm going to do it my best. I'm going to
• 25:59
  keep doing it until the fucking wheels fall off.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: That's like people have said, like with bow hunting and stuff,
• 26:05
  like if you, you know, you work your ass off
• 26:08
  to get this place where you're respected.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And then there's going to be people that want your position.
• 26:14
  And like with your attitude, my attitude too is like.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Fucking come get it. Yeah, come get it.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Come try to take it because I'm working my ass
• 26:22
  off still.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: We were hanging out somewhere and you said one of
• 26:25
  the coldest things to this dude. This dude was– we
• 26:28
  were all just fucking around. I really even forget who
• 26:30
  it was because it didn't matter. And he said, yeah,
• 26:33
  and after that, I'm going to challenge you to a race.
• 26:35
  And you go, good luck with that. It was so cold.
• 26:39
  You go, yeah. You didn't even remotely take it seriously.
• 26:44
  It was like a five-year-old saying they're going to kick
• 26:47
  my ass. I go, OK. Good luck with that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you get– you get confident when it's
• 26:53
  something you.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Do like further down the line than anybody. Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And so if you're going to take my spot, right.
• 27:01
  I mean, it's been a grind dude, 40 years.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The whole taking the spot thing is so stupid
• 27:06
  because everybody's on their own little journey and you could
• 27:09
  look at it in terms of, I'm going to take
• 27:11
  that guy's spot and maybe that's your motivation and that's
• 27:16
  cool and all that, but there's a negative attached to
• 27:18
  that motivation. If you don't have an actual personal beef
• 27:21
  with someone, and you hate them just because they're in
• 27:23
  a position that you wish you are, you're wasting energy.
• 27:26
  I know this sounds like very hippie, but it's true.
• 27:29
  Like you're that energy instead should be celebrating that there's
• 27:34
  people like that out in the world that do inspire
• 27:37
  you and are out there pushing themselves to like extreme
• 27:41
  limits and just excelling at whatever it is, whatever it's
• 27:45
  fucking playing guitar or doing standup comedy. You should look
• 27:49
  at those people like, wow, what are they doing that
• 27:52
  I can do to make myself more successful or better?
• 27:56
  Or where can I get to a point– how can
• 27:59
  I get to a point where I'm like them? But
• 28:01
  most people don't do that. Most people are like, fuck
• 28:03
  that guy. That guy fucking sucks. This sucks and fucking
• 28:07
  he's a pussy and he's a this and he's using
• 28:09
  steroids and he's fucking lying about how many miles he runs.
• 28:13
  There's always going to be people like that. And I'm
• 28:16
  telling my message to the haters. I was a hater.
• 28:20
  When I was a kid, I was 100% a hater. 100%.
• 28:24
  Like all the other people, like when I was fighting,
• 28:26
  everybody else was a pussy. They were all pussies.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Unless they weren't in my weight division. If they weren't
• 28:31
  in my weight division, then I could celebrate them. But
• 28:33
  everybody in my weight division was a pussy. That guy's–
• 28:35
  I'm going to fuck that guy up. He's got nothing.
• 28:37
  I could never celebrate people, even like national champions, people
• 28:40
  with– I couldn't celebrate them. Right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: It's a waste. It's a waste of energy. And you
• 28:45
  get more energy out of looking at what they do
• 28:49
  well and analyzing it and being inspired by it. It's
• 28:52
  a hard struggle because your ego wants you to compare
• 28:55
  yourself to them and find flaws in them. Fuck that guy.
• 28:59
  Fuck this. Fuck that. It's a waste of energy. You
• 29:02
  have to be selfish with your energy. Your energy is
• 29:05
  very critical. It's everything in life. Everything you do in
• 29:08
  life is dependent upon you having energy. And for you
• 29:11
  to waste your energy in some stupid ego-driven direction just
• 29:17
  because you're too weak to recognize like, oh, this guy
• 29:20
  can kick my ass. Oh, this guy could shoot a
• 29:23
  bow further than me. Oh, this guy runs way farther
• 29:26
  than I can run. Oh, this guy is way better
• 29:28
  at playing guitar than me. What the fuck can I
• 29:30
  do to get where he's at? You got to just–
• 29:34
  it's a trap because not only does it take away energy,
• 29:38
  it takes away progress. It takes away energy from you
• 29:42
  investing in you being better in the future. Right. It's
• 29:46
  bad all around. Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: There's no good to it at all. No, I agree
• 29:51
  with that. And it's like that, that energy is a
• 29:54
  resource that we have to protect. I think that when
• 29:57
  you talk about like, you talk about all the outliers
• 29:59
  that you, you have this conversation with or sit across
• 30:02
  the table from you. And I think your attitude and
• 30:05
  how you look at things like in that lens, that
• 30:09
  makes people want to come on. Like you said, you
• 30:12
  listed all these people and people want to hear what
• 30:13
  they have to say. People want to hear what they
• 30:15
  have to say to you because you have a way
• 30:17
  of drawing out more information in a different way because
• 30:21
  your attitude is so pure. I think like, even if
• 30:25
  you didn't believe what you said, it was still, if
• 30:28
  you just said like, I want to be positive, but
• 30:30
  your questions were all negative, like in tone or like
• 30:35
  confrontational in tone. People wouldn't want to be on here
• 30:37
  like they want to be on here now. You being
• 30:39
  positive and looking at things like, how can I get better?
• 30:41
  How can I grow? How can we all learn and
• 30:46
  get better from this? That's the lens that you put
• 30:49
  the information that comes out through these microphones out into
• 30:52
  the world, which means people are attracted to you. People
• 30:55
  are attracted to the guests you have. People are attracted
• 30:57
  to the show. And So, yeah, that energy, even if
• 31:01
  we don't admit it, we're attracted to it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You seek it out.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: And I know when I'm– I like to hear people
• 31:11
  paint a picture of something that gives me hope. I
• 31:14
  don't want to hear about how fucked up everything is
• 31:18
  all the time.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I want hope.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: How can I have hope? Cause hope gives me purpose.
• 31:23
  I'm like, okay, I can do this. I can, I get,
• 31:26
  get to work and this'll, this'll pay off. So I
• 31:30
  think it's like, it's more complicated than we, than we think,
• 31:34
  but there's a reason why you're number one, have been
• 31:36
  number one. And it's your attitude and it's, it's how
• 31:39
  you speak to people.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: It's also, I got in really early. Right. So I
• 31:43
  got in at like 2009 and, And there was hardly
• 31:47
  anybody doing it back then. Yeah. So you could you
• 31:50
  could also I wasn't as famous back then. So you
• 31:53
  could do it for a long time before anybody noticed
• 31:57
  you were doing it. Right. You could get good at it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: So you could hone your craft.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Right. You didn't have a bunch of comments that you
• 32:03
  had to sift through. You didn't have that. You just
• 32:05
  did it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: If you started now, maybe you wouldn't be number one.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Because there's so many. There's I mean, how many podcasts
• 32:13
  are there now?
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Like what's the number?
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: 10 million, 5 million.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Let me check those, like 7 or 8 million. It
• 32:20
  probably keeps growing every week, you know, because everybody thinks
• 32:22
  they can do it because everybody can talk.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and the people starting now, they might be you
• 32:29
  down the road.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: There might be some, you know, incredible conversationalists.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: They'll be them. They'll be a different thing than me,
• 32:37
  but they'll be amazing at it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: But you had Because you had this insight or, you know,
• 32:42
  you saw Tom Green or whoever it was that like, oh,
• 32:45
  maybe I could do that. You started this process of
• 32:47
  this decades of honing your craft to where it is now.
• 32:51
  And now you've been on top for six, seven years.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: And it's just because of all those reps that you did.
• 32:57
  It's no different than anything we always talk about.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: It's everything. Everything is reps. Yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And it's just like you want to get good at something.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: You know, fail. Keep doing it. Archery is reps, pools, reps,
• 33:07
  martial arts or reps. It's all reps. It's all experience
• 33:11
  and it's all like being like super focused on what
• 33:13
  you're trying to do, whatever it is.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like I even think of, you know,
• 33:17
  I love Sean Ryan and he has an incredible podcast.
• 33:21
  But I get why this is happening. He's pretty down
• 33:27
  kind of on a lot right now, just with government,
• 33:31
  with Israel, with Epstein, with all that, which is crazy.
• 33:36
  by design almost, they want us to be hopeless. And
• 33:39
  I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but they
• 33:41
  do want us hopeless because we can be controlled. But Sean,
• 33:45
  his podcast lately has taken more, I don't want to
• 33:49
  say dark because it's more real, but it's like, it's darker.
• 33:53
  So I just think that attracts less people in a
• 33:57
  different type of person than yours. You have every reason
• 34:00
  to be dark about things and you are sometimes, but
• 34:02
  that's not the theme of you.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I think these– it's like first of all, people
• 34:07
  that aren't comedians, they're limited in what they can talk
• 34:11
  about and the way they can talk about things. Being
• 34:13
  a comedian is– there's a little bit of a safety hatch.
• 34:16
  A little freedom. You get always like, yeah, what the
• 34:18
  fuck do I do? I'm a comedian. We're fucking around.
• 34:20
  You get a little– you can write it off a
• 34:23
  little bit. It's also– there's– that's real in terms of
• 34:26
  like another layer of conversation. Like there's a layer of
• 34:31
  conversation that is– Commonly known as talking shit and talking
• 34:36
  shit is a thing that you do where you're with
• 34:39
  your boys and you say things that you don't really
• 34:42
  mean because they're funny and you make each other laugh.
• 34:45
  You talk about how many dicks you sucked last night.
• 34:47
  You know, why is your mouth so sore? You know,
• 34:49
  like you fuck around. You say things. You're silly. You know,
• 34:53
  you talk about, oh, you know, it's hard doing all
• 34:55
  this meth. You know, you don't. You're not really doing meth, right?
• 34:59
  You're not really having gay sex. You're fucking around. And
• 35:03
  when you can't fuck around, there's a whole realm of
• 35:07
  the conversation that's missing. Yeah, for sure. And there's a whole, like,
• 35:12
  get out of jail pass. Like, let's have fun. Let's
• 35:14
  loosen up a little here. You can't loosen up. You're serious. Right.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And then where does the conversation go? Back to the
• 35:20
  serious part, which changes it.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: It's also the serious stuff is what gets engagement, right?
• 35:25
  And that's a little bit of a trap where if
• 35:27
  you only focus on the bad of the world, and
• 35:29
  it's not saying you should ignore the bad of the world.
• 35:31
  You certainly shouldn't. But if you only focus on the
• 35:34
  bad of the world, it's kind of a trap because
• 35:38
  it'll fuck your head up too. You're just swimming in
• 35:40
  negativity all the time.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: That's what I see, Sean. That's a feeling I've got
• 35:43
  with Sean lately. Whereas with the differences with you, there's
• 35:47
  a reset. There's always this reset back to good. The
• 35:51
  message is good. Yeah, I think– And I don't think
• 35:55
  you– that's not by design.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: That's just who you are. Yeah, no, it's not by design.
• 36:00
  It's just– that's how I think. It's like you can
• 36:02
  only dwell on negativity so much. Most of your day
• 36:06
  is not negative in fact. Yeah. There's things that you
• 36:09
  need to be aware of and you need to prepare
• 36:12
  for them.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: The problem is, is no, it's not. But our voices
• 36:16
  are oftentimes negative.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: So– It's easy.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: If you get in that trap where you're listening to
• 36:23
  negative and you're thinking negative, it's a lot of negative, dude.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: So it's like.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Knowing that I can go down a negative rabbit hole
• 36:31
  pretty easy, I try to avoid that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Waiting in that. Well, sometimes it's like, you just get
• 36:37
  fed up. You're like, where the fuck are these Epstein files? Yeah.
• 36:40
  Who the fuck is this? Why is this redacted? Where
• 36:43
  is it? Who the fuck killed JFK? Right. Like come
• 36:45
  out with it. Who the fuck, who fucking killed Charlie
• 36:48
  Kirk for real? Yeah. Like, what is that? Why is
• 36:50
  that fucking story so clouded and mystery? And why did
• 36:53
  they pave over the fucking ground right after the shooting?
• 36:57
  What the fuck is going on there?
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: See, now you're making me in a bad mood.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: It's easy to do. It's easy to do. It's easy
• 37:03
  to get locked up in there.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Do you see my notes?
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Look at my two on the very top. What does
• 37:07
  it say? Stay positive. Be nice. And what does that
• 37:10
  other one say? You have terrible handwriting. Be positive. Oh,
• 37:13
  be nice, be positive. But your handwriting is terrible. It is.
• 37:16
  You should be a doctor.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: But, no, I have to remind myself, like, because if
• 37:22
  you start mentioning those things that you just did.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's hard. Dude, I will fucking lose my shit. Yeah,
• 37:26
  it's hard. Because I'm so pissed. I know. And you
• 37:30
  should be. And we're all pissed. We're all, you know,
• 37:33
  we all thought that, you know, all that stuff was
• 37:36
  going to be released right after the election. We're going
• 37:39
  to drain the swamp and find all the pedophiles.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Well, the first term was more like that. That's what
• 37:45
  gave me hope for this term.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: The first term.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: There was some draining the swamp going on, I felt.
• 37:51
  Then we had the Biden disaster. And now the second
• 37:54
  term has been, I don't even know what this is.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what it is. Well, it would
• 37:58
  have been a whole lot different. First of all, if
• 38:01
  we didn't bomb Iran. I feel like we bombed them
• 38:04
  the first time. We were good. The second time was like,
• 38:08
  even the first time, I was like, what the fuck
• 38:10
  are we doing? Yeah. And then when they were saying, like,
• 38:12
  this is it. The escalation's over. We're going to work
• 38:15
  this out. Like, oh, phew.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: And the second time when we bombed them, I was like, oh,
• 38:20
  fucking great. Now, and most people don't want it. That's
• 38:24
  the real problem. Most people in the country don't want it. Now, look,
• 38:27
  I'm no fucking foreign policy expert. I don't know what's
• 38:30
  going on over there. But I do know that all
• 38:32
  the people I know that really support Israel above everything else,
• 38:36
  they're fucking super happy about it.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, but all the people I know that
• 38:39
  are like America first or people that are like no
• 38:42
  new wars that really thought that we're going to change
• 38:44
  things and this is all just for money. We're not
• 38:46
  going to sacrifice soldiers for fucking money. Those people are
• 38:49
  all upset. I don't know really what's going on though.
• 38:53
  That's the problem. And I really wish I understood Iranian
• 38:58
  politics more and the Iranian military structure because it seems
• 39:03
  like that's super fucking complicated. Like they've been preparing– to
• 39:07
  be attacked like this forever. And so they have like
• 39:10
  all these layers of control. Like when this guy gets
• 39:13
  taken out, new guys are like ready to fill their spot.
• 39:16
  And then when we're negotiating with a new guy, Israel
• 39:19
  kills him. It's like the fuck is going on? And
• 39:23
  then what happened yesterday? They captured like 20 oil tankers. Oh,
• 39:28
  did they? I didn't even see that. Yeah. There was some,
• 39:31
  I don't know. It might be bullshit. I just read
• 39:33
  it very quickly on the toilet in one of the
• 39:35
  rare weak moments where I traveled to X. Yeah. Boy,
• 39:40
  I've been so healthy lately. Last few months, just staying
• 39:43
  off of fucking Instagram. Staying off of Twitter. Just not
• 39:46
  reading anything. Yeah. Not anything, but. Instagram started funneling me schizophrenics.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know how. The algorithm. I followed one schizophrenic.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: My name is Dolores. I am the real granddaughter of JFK.
• 40:00
  The gold that's in the basement is all mine. They're
• 40:02
  trying to stuff shit inside my vagina. They wake me
• 40:05
  up in the middle of the night.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Crazy people. Yeah. Not just one, but like a whole
• 40:10
  fucking series of them. And I started getting those a
• 40:13
  couple of weeks ago. And again– I might spend like 10,
• 40:16
  15 minutes, but it's all schizophrenic people. I'm like, I
• 40:19
  got to get off of this. There's no reason.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. That's what gets you hooked. I got this
• 40:26
  one lady. She was a hooker and she's a crackhead
• 40:30
  and she thinks everyone's a man. Like, so she'll show
• 40:32
  up photos of all these different people. That's a fucking man.
• 40:37
  She's just fucking out to lunch. One guy thinks he's
• 40:41
  the rightful president of the United States and he wears
• 40:43
  like this dirty old suit. And you can look at
• 40:45
  his eyes and he's out there. The dude's gone. He
• 40:48
  lives in a completely different dimension than we do. And
• 40:51
  he's on Instagram.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I start watching like sometimes street fights.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, I watch a lot of those.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of those out there. Or the jokes,
• 41:00
  the pranks or the jokes or pets.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: It's like. Pets are cool. And then it's just like,
• 41:07
  but they, it's just a trap. It just keeps you there.
• 41:10
  And then an hour's gone. And you're like, what did
• 41:11
  I do for an hour? It's just terrible for you.
• 41:14
  But since I've been really good about it, I'm just
• 41:17
  so much healthier. When I take like full days, like
• 41:19
  days off. I feel so much better. And I'm like,
• 41:22
  remember when we were in Hawaii? We went to Hawaii
• 41:25
  a few years back and we went bow hunting for
• 41:28
  axis deer on Lanai. And I broke my phone. I
• 41:31
  don't know if you remember this. Yeah, I do. My
• 41:32
  phone just started calling people. I'd be like, look at this.
• 41:34
  This is crazy. I'd hang up and start calling a
• 41:36
  new person. Hang up. So I had to get a
• 41:38
  new phone. It took like three days. And it was
• 41:41
  like three of the happiest days of my life. Yeah.
• 41:43
  And I'm like, oh, I should just get rid of
• 41:45
  my phone. I was thinking that, but I was like, oh,
• 41:47
  I can't wait until my phone gets here.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Where it's really handy is taking pictures of cool stuff.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And capturing those memories. Yeah.
• 41:57
  And if you have a question.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I love it for... Because I always have a question
• 42:01
  about something. I love that Siri now, you can just
• 42:04
  press Siri and ask it a question. Like, how many
• 42:07
  minutes are in a month? And it'll just tell you. Yeah. Like,
• 42:09
  right on. Ooh. Like, you'd be driving on the car.
• 42:11
  You have a question. Just press a button and it
• 42:13
  gives you the answer.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It's fucking nuts.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: How many times did you have a question and you're
• 42:16
  just like, I'll probably never figure that out.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But now.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: No question goes unanswered.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Now it's literally instantaneous. Yeah. And I'll use perplexity all
• 42:26
  throughout the day to just ask you questions because I'm
• 42:28
  just driving around or I'm sitting at home and I'm like,
• 42:31
  I wonder how that happened. Mm-hmm. Now, you know, like instantaneously.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: But the dealing with all the people stuff, that's that's
• 42:40
  where I checked out. I'm like, I'm not interested in that.
• 42:44
  I don't like it's like if you get a bowl
• 42:47
  of soup and there's little pieces of meat, but most
• 42:49
  of the soup is shit. All right. I would recommend
• 42:52
  not eating that soup. And that's what social media is like.
• 42:56
  It's like I get some meat out of it here
• 42:58
  and there. I get some interesting stories about science and some.
• 43:01
  New discovery from the James Webb Telescope. Like, whoa, this
• 43:04
  is fucking cool. And it will send me down a
• 43:06
  nice rabbit hole where I'm like studying things and getting
• 43:09
  excited about things. And then I'll just deal with some
• 43:12
  fucking kooks and crazy people and shitheads and grifters and
• 43:16
  people that are mad that people are white and people
• 43:19
  that are mad that people are black. I'm like, oh,
• 43:21
  fucking Christ. It's exhausting. It's too much. It's exhausting. It's
• 43:27
  just eating soup with shit in it. It's just like
• 43:30
  it's not worth it. Speaking of which, you brought in
• 43:33
  some of that bear. Grab some of that, son. And
• 43:36
  so a lot of people are of the opinion that
• 43:39
  black bear is not an edible meat, and that is incorrect.
• 43:45
  You've got a grizzly cougar here full of all sorts
• 43:47
  of things. People can't hear you unless you're on that microphone. Okay.
• 43:52
  Give me some. So also this. No one can hear
• 43:54
  that either. You've got to get to the microphone. Also this.
• 43:57
  Put that thing down and have a seat. Oh, there
• 43:59
  we go. So do you know who Casey Brooks is?
• 44:03
  I've heard of the name. So he killed a world
• 44:05
  record elk. That's right. Yeah, yeah. That giant, that thing
• 44:08
  is crazy.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: So he does, this is like super hot stuff.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Oh. Here's what it's called. What is it? If you
• 44:15
  need to know about Chaliton, whatever, see where it's, Everything
• 44:20
  you need to know about, well, it's all worn out.
• 44:23
  I know. Maybe on the other page. Small but mighty
• 44:26
  Chilean chili. Yeah. Okay, so it's a type of chili?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you put that on like when you're cooking steaks.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Where's that knife, Jamie? Here's one. Thank you. Look at that. Ooh, sweet. Oh,
• 44:37
  look at that fucking elk, man. Oh, my God. That's nuts.
• 44:41
  That thing is literally nuts. What was the score on that?
• 44:44
  It was like 386 or something. No, 486. Or no, 486. Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: 386.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Getting close to 500. Yeah. Whoa, this smells strong. Does it? Oh,
• 44:57
  my God.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: So these are the Chili's. Oh, so this is a... Yeah,
• 45:01
  he said you don't need much. It says... What did
• 45:04
  it say, 480? It says sprinkle this shit on everything. Okay, yeah.
• 45:09
  This is cool. Yeah, so I brought.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And also, do you know his son?
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: His son is a really good elk caller. I mean,
• 45:17
  I don't know. Oh, he makes calls. Yeah, we don't
• 45:19
  usually mess around with that. I learned how to do
• 45:23
  these just last year. His son is Bo Brooks. I
• 45:25
  learned how to make a female elk call. Because I
• 45:27
  had a little one that I blow on, so I
• 45:29
  never learned how to use a reed. Yeah, the mouth reed.
• 45:31
  I definitely don't know how to make an elk set
• 45:34
  with a tube. I'm fucking terrible.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let me see that knife real quick. This
• 45:39
  is the old pack-out skinner from Montana Knife. But here's
• 45:43
  the good stuff right here.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: So we got some of this.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Tell me what you think of this.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I've had it the last time you brought it. It's
• 45:50
  from the same butcher company?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: No, this is from White's up in Portland. And this
• 45:56
  is Ronnie.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Ronnie's the man, dude. Portland, Oregon has a good wild game. Yeah,
• 46:01
  I think it's more like Gresham. But it's so good. Oh,
• 46:05
  that is good. Tell me what you think of that.
• 46:10
  That's fantastic. Yeah, thank you, Ronnie. And then this is...
• 46:13
  No trichinosis, right? Hell no. Is trichinosis free? This is,
• 46:18
  I mean. Have you ever tested yourself for trichinosis to
• 46:20
  see if you have it? You might already have it.
• 46:21
  There's some bear jerky, too. You might have had it
• 46:23
  and ignored it. So the jerky's so good. And then also,
• 46:27
  like this says White's on it right here.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: White's Country Meats.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: So we got sausage. Oh, you made breakfast sausage? Yeah,
• 46:33
  it's so good. Nice.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: And then we got some rendered bear fat right here.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. A bunch of that. So you can cook
• 46:40
  with that. Oh, it's dark.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Why is it so dark? I don't know. That's crazy. Yeah.
• 46:50
  Clay Newcomb gave me some. Did he?
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Have you ever used it? Yeah, I cooked steaks with it. Okay.
• 46:55
  It's great for searing steaks, you know, just like even
• 46:58
  beef tallow.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: But it gives it a different flavor. For sure. Definitely.
• 47:01
  So he did it.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: It's like, and also like the bear in the spring,
• 47:06
  their fat is a little different. So it's, it just
• 47:08
  reacts differently for me making the pepperoni and rendering the fat.
• 47:12
  It just reacts a little differently because they've just come
• 47:14
  out of hibernation up there. This is one of the
• 47:17
  big bear I just killed. And yeah, so it's just
• 47:19
  perfect timing for, I guess, rendering fat and making sausage.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I was watching those videos that Jen was making from
• 47:26
  bear camp. Yeah. Where she smoked that bear for like
• 47:30
  24 hours. Yeah. So good. God, looking insane. It looked like.
• 47:34
  So good. They're like, she's like a gourmet chef now
• 47:36
  with bear.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then they had the meat church guy up
• 47:39
  there this last week.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And so they were like. you know, bear meat, when
• 47:45
  you put a whole back ham on the Traeger, so
• 47:48
  she let it soak, marinate for four days, right? And
• 47:52
  I saw people saying, oh, if you did shoe leather
• 47:54
  for four days, it'd be good.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what it was. Four days and
• 47:59
  then 20 hours of a slow cook on the Traeger.
• 48:01
  Best meat you've ever had. It's like incredible. That's bear.
• 48:06
  And you know, there's like people talk about The settlers
• 48:09
  back in the day, they would eat bear and just
• 48:11
  kill deer for hides.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? To make clothing because bear was superior meat.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: So people have fallen into this trap of like believing
• 48:20
  that bear meat isn't good.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: And it's amazing. Well, it's because of Yogi. Yeah. Yogi
• 48:24
  fucked us. Probably. Yeah. Yogi and the one that tells
• 48:28
  you not to start fires. Who's that guy? Smokey. Smokey.
• 48:32
  Smokey the bear. Yogi. Yeah. They fucked us. Yeah, they did.
• 48:36
  Then Disney. Disney fucked us.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: If it wasn't for those anthropomorphizations of animals where they
• 48:43
  turned them into sweet, beautiful creatures that talk to you,
• 48:47
  we would have a completely different idea of animals and
• 48:50
  a much more realistic idea of animals. For sure. Which
• 48:53
  I think most hunters have. You love them. You respect them.
• 48:55
  But they all have to be managed. I sent Whitney
• 48:59
  Cummings a video that they got in Santa Monica the
• 49:02
  other day of a mountain lion in someone's backyard. Big fucker.
• 49:06
  Just laying in the grass in this dude's backyard in
• 49:09
  Santa Monica, man. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if
• 49:14
  you know where anymore. I can't eat too much. People
• 49:16
  get annoyed. Oh, yeah. That's true. It's good, though. That's a.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Jalapeno cheddar.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: How's it taste? Can you taste it? The first one
• 49:23
  I had was jalapeno cheddar?
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: It's fucking great. It was really good. So good, yeah.
• 49:28
  And I know what people are saying. Oh, you can
• 49:29
  make anything. Look at that. That's the cat in the backyard.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Isn't that fucking nuts, man? Look at his eyes. Yeah.
• 49:35
  Fuck you, man. Fuck you. Yeah. Meanwhile, they built a
• 49:40
  stupid bridge for them, and it's way over budget. It's
• 49:43
  over $ 100 million now for this stupid fucking bridge so
• 49:46
  they can cross. We have to make sure that the
• 49:48
  monsters can get across the highway safety. Trust me. I
• 49:51
  am of a completely different opinion. I say put one
• 49:53
  of those fucking big-ass grills on your car like I
• 49:56
  have on my Land Cruiser, and let's hope we get
• 49:58
  a few of them so they don't kill people's dogs.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Look, it was right there. In the middle, yeah. It's 14th.
• 50:03
  It says Nocturne on 14th. That is bananas. Look where
• 50:07
  it is. What? Look how dense the housing is there.
• 50:11
  There's a mountain lion right there.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: And they think a mountain lion is going to go
• 50:14
  find this bridge?
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Well, they probably will eventually find the bridge. I don't know.
• 50:20
  But there's a bunch of retards. It'll still make their
• 50:22
  way across the highway. And they're supposed to get hit.
• 50:24
  That's nature. Yeah. Figure it out. Yeah. Figure it out.
• 50:28
  Or die. Or die. Yeah, figure it out or die.
• 50:30
  There's too many of them. They're so unrealistic about their
• 50:34
  mountain lion numbers. Yeah. There's way too many of them.
• 50:37
  They're all over California because they don't manage them.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: That's what we talked– yeah, we talked about that last time.
• 50:42
  And it's like I just wonder what is– what's the
• 50:46
  goal because now– I wore this shirt today because now
• 50:50
  public land is again back in the crosshairs.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw that. Yeah, what is
• 50:54
  going on? This Mike Lee guy. Yeah, that same guy.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Same fucking guy. He's trying to like– That's the Utah guy, right?
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: The Utah guy.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: So right now, it's like there's this bill that was
• 51:07
  going to be introduced. It was like talking about wildfires essentially.
• 51:12
  But it's like it's– what he's done is he's tied
• 51:16
  in this public land piece to it. Like they always do.
• 51:19
  There's always these other provisions tied in with all these bills, right? Right.
• 51:23
  And you don't really know what you're agreeing to or
• 51:26
  what you're not. But he put in this roadless area
• 51:31
  section because there's 45 million acres of roadless area that
• 51:37
  he wants access to. Basically, they're not saying this. They're
• 51:41
  saying for some other reason. I think, oh, here's what
• 51:43
  they said. We have so many acres of roadless area
• 51:47
  that to fight wildfires, we need roads.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. they don't care about fighting wildfires.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: They care about resource extraction or development, right? Maybe development,
• 51:58
  but development's a tough sell in a lot of those
• 51:59
  wilderness areas, but what's not a tough sell. That's what
• 52:02
  they tried with this. Remember, remember the affordable housing? Yeah. Like, Oh,
• 52:05
  just the areas. They tried to say that's what it was.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: That was supposedly affordable housing, which like years ago, I
• 52:11
  went back and talked to Jason Chaffetz.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: He was, uh, he.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Was a representative there in Utah. And I went back
• 52:17
  there and spoke to him in, in, At that time,
• 52:19
  it was.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: About surplus acreage.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: So there's three million surplus acres nobody's using.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Someone told me that has something to do with the
• 52:28
  Mormon religion, that the Mormon religion has a philosophy about
• 52:33
  selling land that's very different than our philosophy. They might.
• 52:37
  I'm not sure. About public land. Somebody told me that.
• 52:40
  See if there's any reality to that, that the Mormons
• 52:45
  almost have like a mandate to try to sell land.
• 52:49
  I don't know if that makes any sense. This is
• 52:52
  not my thought. Someone told me this and I was like, wait, what?
• 52:54
  And I don't think I ever looked it up.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Right. That I do that too. I'm like, I need
• 52:59
  to look that up and I never do. And then
• 53:01
  I never know anything more, but yeah. So I went back,
• 53:04
  talked to Jason at that time. It was a surplus acreage.
• 53:07
  Then this time it was affordable housing. Now this time
• 53:09
  it's wild, wildfire fighting, which if you get into the
• 53:13
  weeds on fighting wildfires, it's there's the national forest service
• 53:17
  already has $ 10 billion of road work they need to
• 53:22
  do on roads that are failing right now. So they're
• 53:24
  saying you're going to add more roads to the $ 10
• 53:27
  billion worth of work that the roads already need maintenance on.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Don't think so.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: What they're going to do is, and then also if
• 53:36
  you make roads, the stats say 85 to 90% of
• 53:41
  fires are started within a half mile of a road.
• 53:44
  So it's not the wilderness areas that are in danger,
• 53:47
  that we need to figure out how to fight fires
• 53:49
  back there. There's hardly any fires back there. It's always
• 53:51
  about the roads we've created that we can't maintain. That's
• 53:55
  where the fires are starting, right?
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Right, because it's usually people. It's human cost.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: 90% of the time it's human. That's only like a
• 54:03
  small percentage of fires that can't be fought.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Here it is. Some Utah politicians who are members of
• 54:08
  the LDS Mormon Church have pushed proposals to sell or
• 54:12
  transfer federal public lands, but this is a political movement,
• 54:15
  not an official movement. LDS church program and other Mormon
• 54:19
  groups openly oppose it. So Utah's see more disinformation. Somebody
• 54:24
  tried to feed me and I kind of helped spread it.
• 54:27
  Utah's heavily dominated by federal land. 42% of the state
• 54:30
  is managed by the Bureau of Land Management alone, even
• 54:33
  more under other federal agencies because so much federal, so
• 54:36
  much of Utah's federal fights over whether to retain, transfer
• 54:39
  or sell some of that land is especially intense there. Yeah,
• 54:42
  this next part is about Mike Lee, which— Conservative Utah
• 54:46
  Republicans such as Senator Mike Lee have proposed budget or
• 54:49
  legislative plans that would make millions of acres of Western
• 54:53
  public land eligible for sale, arguing it would boost housing
• 54:57
  or local economies. The housing thing is like, hey, man,
• 55:01
  fuck you. You're not putting houses in the mountains. I
• 55:04
  don't believe you. I think most likely what you're doing
• 55:06
  is there's natural gas out there or minerals out there
• 55:09
  or something.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: It's a— I mean, they don't care about, first of all,
• 55:14
  they'd have to build infrastructure out there in the mounds, which,
• 55:17
  you know, water, power, it's not going to happen.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: What is this Wyoming thing? It says that Wyoming case
• 55:22
  would have been the first time a registered national historic
• 55:25
  site was sold into private ownership, which is why it
• 55:28
  drew attention. What are they referring to, though? A national
• 55:34
  historic site among Oregon Trail could end up in the
• 55:36
  hands of private owners. At the request of members of
• 55:40
  the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Oh, so
• 55:43
  the church tried to purchase public land.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: So down to that next one, it says LDS teachings
• 55:50
  require strong stewardship and specifically advocate preserving and protecting public land.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. So it's just politicians.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And I think he's like beholden to Trump. Trump's like
• 56:02
  his errand boy for this public land thing because Trump
• 56:05
  doesn't give a fuck about public land.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: But his son does. This is what doesn't make any sense.
• 56:09
  Like his Donald Trump Jr. Does he listen to anybody?
• 56:13
  I don't know. I don't think so. He listened to
• 56:14
  me about psychedelics. Well, OK. We'll talk to him about this.
• 56:19
  Is that it again with sneaky roadless rule amendment?
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, maybe if I see him this weekend. Well,
• 56:24
  I will see him this weekend. But maybe I'll talk
• 56:26
  to him about that. But I don't think.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: There was a sentence in there that I just saw.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: It says 99 percent. Right here. 99.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Right in the middle. 99% of Americans oppose repealing the
• 56:38
  rules of this rule.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: So why they work for us, isn't that right? So
• 56:44
  the reason why I got to this is because you
• 56:46
  talked about the mountain lions. It's like, why don't they
• 56:49
  listen to people like the public? The public would say, yeah,
• 56:53
  we probably need to hunt mountain lions, keep them manageable.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think the public of California would. I think
• 56:58
  I'm opposed to that. I'm opposed to ballot box biology. No, no,
• 57:02
  me too. So they got wolves into Colorado.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: But I'm just wondering, like with this roadless rule, they
• 57:07
  didn't ask the public anything.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: And 99% of the public oppose it.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's way, I think I would say way more
• 57:15
  people oppose that than oppose any kind of hunting thing.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good with, okay, so on your point then,
• 57:22
  I want biologists.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Making the decision on hunting. A hundred percent.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I don't want politicians making the decision on land use.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. All right.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: So that's, that's all I'm, that's all I'm saying. It's like,
• 57:35
  let's have experts in the field decide these things. It's like,
• 57:39
  who is the expert in the field who decided the
• 57:41
  white house needs a ballroom?
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Uh, me. I called in.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: But it's like, how are these decisions being made? Like
• 57:49
  this roadless rule, this was like a last minute add
• 57:52
  on that the public did not get a chance to
• 57:54
  vote on.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: How is that? How is that okay? No, it's not okay. It's,
• 57:58
  it's super fucking sneaky. And I think all of our
• 58:00
  positions should be like your t-shirt, the Teddy Roosevelt position,
• 58:04
  not one acre. Like we have a amazing system here.
• 58:07
  We do. The public land system in the United States
• 58:10
  is completely unique to the rest of the world. It's
• 58:12
  very different. And the fact that you can go out
• 58:15
  there and that is your land. If you are a
• 58:17
  citizen of the United States of America, public land is
• 58:20
  your land. And you have access to incredible wilderness, beautiful places.
• 58:24
  And if you've got the endurance and the ability to
• 58:28
  go deep in there, you could go to places where
• 58:31
  there's no fucking people. And it's unbelievably pristine wilderness. And
• 58:35
  it's owned by the entire country. And we've got to
• 58:38
  keep it that way. We can't let that slippery slope–
• 58:43
  get into play. As soon as they start giving away
• 58:46
  some of it or selling away some of it, they'll
• 58:48
  fucking keep going. Not one acre.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Once you lose something, you don't get it back.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Ever.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Especially with this public land. At this time, when we
• 58:59
  all came together, it was outdoorsmen in all regards. It
• 59:02
  was hunting, hiking, fishing, whoever, recreators, whatever. like people who
• 59:10
  just love and appreciate public lands. We all came together,
• 59:14
  shot it down, and the public sentiment was vicious, right?
• 59:19
  And they couldn't ignore it. We need the same thing
• 59:21
  now because at this time, I know we did so much.
• 59:24
  Everybody came together. But when they do these, they wear
• 59:27
  us down with these. these last minute deals and add
• 59:30
  on these things. Cause it's like, how many things can
• 59:32
  you keep fighting and fighting and fighting? And you're like,
• 59:35
  I thought we already got this. Didn't we solve this already?
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: And now it's back. Well, I think that's one of
• 59:39
  the reasons why they keep so many fucking balls in
• 59:41
  the air at the same time is because you can't
• 59:44
  fight at all. You know, it's like, do you really
• 59:46
  care about the Epstein files or do you care about
• 59:48
  UFO disclosure? Yeah, I know. The UAPs? We're going to
• 59:52
  have a big meeting on Monday. We're going to have
• 59:54
  a big release on Wednesday. So I think they took.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: To me, it seems pretty nefarious that they're like, say, oh,
• 1:00:00
  we got all these fucking dipshits worried about this roadless rule. OK,
• 1:00:04
  we can distract some of them with aliens. Got an
• 1:00:06
  alien stuff.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, we could we could distract some of them with fighting.
• 1:00:11
  We got the White House fight coming up. OK, that's
• 1:00:14
  and now all of a sudden now it's way quieter
• 1:00:15
  because they've distracted some of these core groups with this
• 1:00:19
  other bullshit.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: And it's the bread and circus thing. And like I
• 1:00:23
  kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell, who said this, that
• 1:00:26
  it's not for the White House to be putting on.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Sporting events.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: That's not, we hire the government to run our country,
• 1:00:33
  not entertain us.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: True. Yeah. No, I look, I don't like it because
• 1:00:39
  I think they should be fighting indoors. Always. I think
• 1:00:42
  world championship fights at the highest level should be fought
• 1:00:46
  in a controlled environment. That said, it's going to be sick.
• 1:00:50
  It's going to be, it's going to be, I'm going
• 1:00:52
  to watch. I have to like people think, Oh, Rogan's negative. Nope.
• 1:00:56
  I'm not negative, but I'm not positive either. I don't–
• 1:00:59
  if it was me, if I was running the UFC,
• 1:01:02
  I would never run the UFC. But if I was
• 1:01:04
  running the UFC, I would have never wanted to do it.
• 1:01:07
  I would have said we can't do it. They have
• 1:01:09
  to be in a controlled environment. We can't have a
• 1:01:11
  world championship fight. We can't have someone win or lose
• 1:01:14
  because they're outside and it's muggy. That doesn't make any
• 1:01:16
  sense to me. It's going to affect the grappling. It's
• 1:01:19
  going to be like hot oil wrestling. Everyone is going
• 1:01:21
  to be sweaty as fuck. It's going to be completely different.
• 1:01:23
  And also your endurance is going to be less.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: No submissions probably going to happen.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe, but also you can get under a neck
• 1:01:32
  way quicker. Oh, right. Slide your arm through there. If
• 1:01:34
  you could cinch up a rear naked choke with someone sweaty,
• 1:01:38
  you could get it right under the chin. Yeah, that'd
• 1:01:40
  be tough. It slides in there. But most grapplers would
• 1:01:45
  not prefer that. Most grapplers would prefer an air-conditioned arena
• 1:01:49
  like normal. It should be fucking 72 degrees just like
• 1:01:52
  it always is. You know, it should be air conditioned
• 1:01:54
  like it always is.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: But even the controlling the hands, because, you know, like
• 1:01:58
  if you're top or bottom, like the big part is
• 1:02:00
  like the wrist control.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like if you're sweaty. Oh, yeah. That's tough. I mean,
• 1:02:05
  it changes. Well, back in the old days, dudes used
• 1:02:07
  to lie down in a bathtub filled with baby oil. Yeah.
• 1:02:11
  And then they would wash it off. And so then
• 1:02:13
  they would, you know, get warmed up. And then when
• 1:02:16
  they would start sweating, the baby oil would come out
• 1:02:18
  of their pores. Because it's like when you soak in
• 1:02:21
  baby oil for hours. I'm not accusing any individuals doing this,
• 1:02:25
  but I know for a fact it happened. And guys
• 1:02:27
  would be completely greased up. And you could wipe them
• 1:02:30
  down with a towel. It wouldn't matter. I mean the
• 1:02:32
  grease is everywhere. It's in their fucking pores. And as
• 1:02:34
  soon as they start sweating, you try to get a
• 1:02:36
  hold of them. It's like trying to hold on to
• 1:02:38
  a fucking salmon in the middle of the water. They
• 1:02:40
  just slip right out of your fingers.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Well, that happens too if you eat McDonald's all the time.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Just kind of.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Grease out your pores. So they should try that.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe that'll work. I think that'll affect your performance more.
• 1:02:51
  But the sweat is going to be a big issue.
• 1:02:54
  The outside, the bugs, that's going to be a big issue.
• 1:02:56
  The thunderstorms. Oh, yeah. It's going to rain.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at another forecast. It says starting around 2 o'clock, rain.
• 1:03:03
  3 o'clock, thunderstorms. 7 o'clock, rain.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: It looks great. Oh, by 8 o'clock, it's only showers.
• 1:03:09
  Don't be a pussy. Just showers. Yeah, maybe they'll cancel it. Look,
• 1:03:13
  I think if they canceled it and moved it indoors,
• 1:03:15
  it would be better for everybody. I don't like it.
• 1:03:17
  I think the idea was like they want the octagon,
• 1:03:20
  the White House behind it. Yeah. For image and everything
• 1:03:23
  like that, it's going to be dope. The card is sick.
• 1:03:25
  It's a fucking amazing card. The card– I mean it's
• 1:03:28
  only seven fights and all of them are bangers from
• 1:03:30
  the opening one with Steve Garcia and Diego Lopez. Bam,
• 1:03:34
  right off the gate. It's like Bo Nickel and Kyle Dawkus. Bam,
• 1:03:38
  right off the gate. I mean, it's going to be
• 1:03:40
  a sick fucking card. The card's amazing.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: That does look incredible.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: That's the lightning catcher that they put over there. Yeah,
• 1:03:50
  it's going to be nuts. It's going to be nuts
• 1:03:52
  if it happens. But if it rains like crazy, you know. But,
• 1:03:56
  I mean, everybody will love it if it rains. All
• 1:03:58
  the people who hate it. Yeah, rain on those mega fucks. Oh, God.
• 1:04:02
  You're ruining our country, man.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: It's a very divided time. Oh, it's nuts. Yeah. But,
• 1:04:11
  like I said, my concern is for the athletes. A
• 1:04:16
  fighter's career is very short. A loss is devastating. And
• 1:04:20
  to not have perfect conditions to fight in, I think,
• 1:04:23
  is crazy. Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: But.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: It's also going to be sick. It's like being there
• 1:04:27
  is going to be nuts, and maybe it's worth it.
• 1:04:30
  I don't know. We'll find out.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you got to hand it to Dana for going
• 1:04:34
  big like he always does.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: He always does. I mean, you know, they– He always does.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: He was at the Sphere in Vegas, right? It's like
• 1:04:42
  wasn't– that was out of the box, but it was amazing.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was sick. That was a one-time only thing.
• 1:04:48
  That was so much money. But this is a one-time
• 1:04:50
  only thing supposedly too, but apparently Trump doesn't want to
• 1:04:52
  take the octagon down. He wants to leave it up. Really?
• 1:04:57
  I don't know, man. I think it would be great.
• 1:05:02
  Have guys like, you know, come in and train at
• 1:05:04
  the White House for a couple of weeks. That'd be
• 1:05:06
  the next gimmick. I don't know. Why not? Fuck it. Yeah.
• 1:05:10
  The whole thing's chaos anyway. It's a crazy time. I mean, what,
• 1:05:13
  Biden could have a giant LBGT flag in front of
• 1:05:16
  the White House and have trans people pulling their breasts out.
• 1:05:18
  Remember that? They had a big pride day. They had
• 1:05:21
  a big pride flag in front of the White House.
• 1:05:23
  I'll take this over that. It's like all of it
• 1:05:26
  is silly. It's also– that should have nothing to do
• 1:05:28
  with the White House. This should have nothing to do
• 1:05:30
  with the White House. Right. But– and then there's a
• 1:05:32
  lawsuit right now. I saw that. People are trying to
• 1:05:35
  sue to keep the UFC out of the way. They'll
• 1:05:38
  probably lose. Yeah. I don't– I'm not a lawyer. I
• 1:05:40
  don't know. But I would imagine they're not going to win.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I'm a huge– fighting fan UFC fan you know Dana
• 1:05:46
  White is like an icon I love all the fighters
• 1:05:50
  I just love everything about it it's uh I just
• 1:05:54
  you know I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell's take
• 1:05:56
  on it which you can get in trouble with agreeing
• 1:05:59
  with him because he has a lot of takes but
• 1:06:01
  uh but on this one I kind of get it
• 1:06:04
  and um Yeah, I mean, I don't blame the fighters
• 1:06:06
  at all for jumping at this opportunity.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: No, they have to do it. It's like the whole
• 1:06:09
  world is going to watch. It's going to be probably
• 1:06:12
  the most watched sporting event maybe in history. I mean,
• 1:06:19
  it's on Paramount, so it'll be on CBS as well, right?
• 1:06:22
  I don't know. Is it on CBS?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: So it's on CBS as well. So it'll be available
• 1:06:28
  to everybody. And then all the haters are going to
• 1:06:29
  watch it, too. Oh, for sure. They're going to want
• 1:06:31
  to talk shit. Yeah. So it'll probably be covered on
• 1:06:33
  CNN what a disaster it was. They've already talked a
• 1:06:37
  lot about how I'm not into it.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: But I have to be honest about what I'm into
• 1:06:42
  and what I'm not into. I can't just agree with
• 1:06:45
  something if I don't agree with it. I'll be respectful. I'll,
• 1:06:48
  you know, I'm obviously a huge fan of the UFC.
• 1:06:51
  And it's always an honor to work for them. And
• 1:06:54
  I love it. But I don't like it.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: But.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I'll still, when I'm there, I'm like, oh, this is sick. Oh,
• 1:07:00
  for sure. And maybe after it's over, I'm like, they
• 1:07:02
  were right. Or maybe it'll be like, oh, it fucking rained.
• 1:07:04
  What a shit show. It was lightning that canceled the fights.
• 1:07:08
  It was a huge disaster for CBS.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: It's live sports. It's like you never know.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, if they pull the entire audience out and
• 1:07:15
  just have the guys fight in the cage under the canopy,
• 1:07:18
  now I'm in.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like Apex style.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Now I like it. Now I like it. No crowd,
• 1:07:23
  just us, just me, DC, and Anik.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: Ooh.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Ooh.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: That would be pretty fun. Now I like it. Now
• 1:07:28
  I like it. And, you know, we're protected by the rain,
• 1:07:30
  but everybody else isn't, so they all have to leave. Fuck, yeah.
• 1:07:33
  Because I think it's going to be also a lot of, like,
• 1:07:36
  look at me. People are going to dress up nice
• 1:07:39
  for it because they know they're going to be on television. Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:42
  You know, I get it. But it's really, for me,
• 1:07:45
  it's about the fights. There's gigantic fights on that card.
• 1:07:49
  The Justin Gaethje, Ilya Toporia fight. I am very interested
• 1:07:53
  in that fight. I'm very interested in that fight. I
• 1:07:55
  really wish it was like at the T-Mobile or Madison
• 1:07:58
  Square Garden or whatever, but who cares? That's a fight
• 1:08:02
  I have a lot of questions about. I need to
• 1:08:04
  see that fight happen.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, Justin's quite a bit bigger, but Ilya is
• 1:08:08
  so skilled.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Bro, he is. I watched a whole– I watched his
• 1:08:13
  entire career last night. So there was a– the UFC
• 1:08:16
  put out a video about Ilya saying, is Ilya Teporia
• 1:08:20
  the GOAT? And it goes from his first fight in
• 1:08:27
  the UFC to his last victory. And you watch every
• 1:08:31
  single fight of his career. And you watch him get
• 1:08:33
  better over time. And, you know, it gets deeper into
• 1:08:37
  his career. And then you see his last three fights
• 1:08:40
  and you're like, good Lord. Yeah. He was awesome when
• 1:08:43
  he first entered the UFC, but he just kept getting better.
• 1:08:47
  So it was Yusuf Salal fights, the first fight. That
• 1:08:50
  goes to a decision. And then you watch the progression.
• 1:08:57
  He starts KOing people. His last three KOs. over the
• 1:09:00
  biggest stars? They're some of the greatest of all time. Max. Yeah. Who?
• 1:09:06
  Charles Oliveira. Yeah. Are you kidding me? Charles Oliveira, one
• 1:09:08
  of the greatest of all times. Max Holloway, one of
• 1:09:10
  the greatest of all times. And then Alexander Volkanovsky. The
• 1:09:14
  greatest featherweight of all time. Yeah. Like, fucking crazy, man.
• 1:09:18
  Knocked them out. Knocked all three of them out. How?
• 1:09:20
  That's one of the greatest resumes of all time. CBS
• 1:09:23
  won't air a UFC White House event. Viewers would need
• 1:09:26
  Paramount Plus to watch. What happened? Did they back out
• 1:09:29
  of it?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: They would not televise it. That means... I wonder if, like, Paramount...
• 1:09:38
  White decided... Cited the plan to tell America's story during
• 1:09:42
  the show as the reason... CBS would not be involved. What?
• 1:09:48
  The plan to tell America's story. What? That doesn't even
• 1:09:51
  make sense. What does that mean? We don't want to
• 1:09:54
  talk about America's story on CBS? No, because there's only
• 1:09:57
  X number of fights and it starts from the first
• 1:09:59
  one White said. We start at the beginning of time
• 1:10:02
  and like the Mexican Independence Day fight, we're going to
• 1:10:05
  have the story of America from the first fight to
• 1:10:07
  the last. So no, they'll all be on Paramount. So
• 1:10:11
  it's going to start out with European settlers coming over
• 1:10:14
  and giving everyone smallpox. And then you're going to see
• 1:10:16
  all the Indians die. And then we're going to go, oh,
• 1:10:18
  look at all these buffalo because there's no one there
• 1:10:20
  to kill them. And then we're going to see people
• 1:10:21
  come across on wagon trains and kill each other. It
• 1:10:24
  should be fun. Yeah. It's going to be a good story.
• 1:10:27
  It's going to be a very accurate story of how
• 1:10:29
  the United States started. It'll start from back when we
• 1:10:32
  fucked up Mexico in like, what was that? 1861 to
• 1:10:36
  get Texas.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: What year did they? No, it was like 1821. Wasn't it?
• 1:10:42
  That Mexico owned Texas? We'll start from the beginning. We'll
• 1:10:47
  go all the way to buying Alaska for like 50 bucks. Yeah.
• 1:10:54
  People will love it. It'll be good. It'll be great. Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  I don't know.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a spectacle for sure. I'll be
• 1:11:03
  tuning in.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll be there. Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: You're at the White House all the time now.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: I've been there a couple times. Yeah, it's weird. It's
• 1:11:12
  very weird. It's also very weird because as much as
• 1:11:16
  people hate Trump and hate his decisions and hate what
• 1:11:19
  he's doing and hate how he talks, my experiences with
• 1:11:23
  him personally have always been fun, unfortunately.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately for everybody else. Like, you know, if he likes
• 1:11:31
  you and you're on his good side, he's a fun
• 1:11:34
  guy to be around. He says a lot of fun shit.
• 1:11:36
  The fucking man loves America. He genuinely does. He really does.
• 1:11:41
  Like he wants to make the White House look better.
• 1:11:44
  He wants to build this ballroom because he wants– like
• 1:11:46
  he has good intentions in terms of America. It's just
• 1:11:51
  there is not a single fucking person that's ever taken
• 1:11:54
  the job of the president of the United States that's
• 1:11:56
  loved by everybody. But his– the issues that he's having
• 1:12:00
  right now is a lot of the stuff that is
• 1:12:03
  going on in this country is contrary to what people
• 1:12:06
  voted for. And that's what people are upset about, the
• 1:12:09
  war specifically.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: I don't– we voted for protecting the border.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: And they did that.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: It's American manufacturing, protecting America's interests like with trade, with
• 1:12:28
  just protecting people's jobs so we have a way to
• 1:12:31
  work and provide for our family. America first. That was
• 1:12:35
  what– that sounded good to me. And it feels like
• 1:12:38
  this isn't any of that. Like I, it feels like
• 1:12:42
  even his administration at first, I was just like, Oh fuck, these.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Are some, this is good.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: But it feels like if you go against him in
• 1:12:50
  any way, you're fucking gone.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Well, it's that for sure. And then it's also, you know,
• 1:12:56
  the amount of political pressure, you know, you have to
• 1:12:59
  make deals, right? So you've got the pharmaceutical drug companies
• 1:13:02
  that are trying to squeeze this in there. And then
• 1:13:04
  you got the, Oil company is trying to squeeze that.
• 1:13:07
  The military is trying to squeeze this. And there's a
• 1:13:10
  lot of compromises that have to be made. And that's
• 1:13:11
  where things get dark. Yeah. Because there's people that come
• 1:13:14
  in with these ideas that we're going to fix this
• 1:13:16
  and clean that. Like I've had long conversations with RFK.
• 1:13:20
  And that guy is in struggle all day. It's a
• 1:13:24
  battle all day. Yeah. It's dealing with all these pressures.
• 1:13:27
  And look, they've made a lot of headway. They've made
• 1:13:29
  a lot of headway with peptides. They made a lot
• 1:13:32
  of headway with eliminating some of these unnecessary food dyes
• 1:13:38
  and all these different things that we've been subject to.
• 1:13:41
  But they lost with glyphosate.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: That was a big one, man. Glyphosate was a big one.
• 1:13:46
  It's poison. I've got a guy coming on who's an
• 1:13:48
  expert in it that's going to talk about it soon.
• 1:13:50
  And it is– the people that are gaslighting you to
• 1:13:53
  say it's not an issue, we don't really know how
• 1:13:57
  much of the health problems that a lot of people have.
• 1:14:00
  who consume glyphosate-ridden products have. We don't know how much
• 1:14:05
  it's affecting you. What is it taking away from your
• 1:14:08
  immune system? What is it taking away from– how much
• 1:14:11
  is your body processing this fucking toxic herbicide that's in
• 1:14:16
  your system versus– I mean how much of that is
• 1:14:19
  contributing to people's health problems? There's a lot of people
• 1:14:21
  that think that that's what a lot of this gluten
• 1:14:24
  allergy shit is, that people are just reacting to– Yeah.
• 1:14:28
  Bromate and pesticides and herbicides.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: But what's that stat with Iowa being the center for glyphosate, basically,
• 1:14:35
  with all the agriculture there? And then that's like the
• 1:14:37
  hotbed for cancer.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to look very far to
• 1:14:41
  see that connection.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: No, you don't.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, that was also back in the day
• 1:14:45
  when people were when people talk about the polio epidemic.
• 1:14:49
  You can't talk about the polio epidemic without also talking
• 1:14:53
  about spraying of DDT all over the fucking country. Because
• 1:14:57
  DDT poisoning has the exact same reaction. The body has
• 1:15:01
  the exact same reaction as polio, as paralytic polio, polio, polio, polio,
• 1:15:07
  the disease. Like there's this woman who wrote a great
• 1:15:10
  book on it. Suzanne Humphries is called Dissolving Illusions. And
• 1:15:17
  it's all about that and all about like– first of all,
• 1:15:22
  they were spraying it behind cars in streets where children
• 1:15:26
  were playing. And people were getting polio.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing kids like running through it.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't just people that were getting polio. This
• 1:15:33
  is part of the problem with the narrative that it's polio.
• 1:15:36
  Animals were getting polio. Like animals were getting polio. But
• 1:15:39
  they don't get polio. It doesn't spread to animals. But
• 1:15:43
  horses and fucking cows were getting paralyzed. They were getting
• 1:15:46
  the same symptoms. Because it's fucking DDT poisoning. And here's
• 1:15:50
  the craziest one. What percentage of polio is asymptomatic? Meaning
• 1:15:55
  you get it and you have no symptoms. I don't know.
• 1:15:57
  95% to 99%. Really? Yeah.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: So people have it.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: It's DDT. Yeah, yeah. It's DDT. I mean, look, it's
• 1:16:06
  not saying that some people that are very sick and
• 1:16:09
  immune compromised get polio and get fucked up and die.
• 1:16:13
  Of course, polio is bad. Thousands of people die every
• 1:16:15
  year from the flu. Flu is bad, right? Yeah. Okay,
• 1:16:18
  but you know what else is bad? DDT. Yeah. And
• 1:16:20
  you know what else is going on when everybody was
• 1:16:22
  going through this whole polio epidemic? Fucking spraying DDT everywhere.
• 1:16:25
  And most people are ignorant to it.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: And you bring it up, they call you a conspiracy theorist,
• 1:16:30
  but it's fucking fact. Yeah. It's undeniable.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I was like, you know, controlling the weather. I
• 1:16:38
  was like, that's conspiracy. But then I started seeing the
• 1:16:41
  planes like laying in the fucking– clouds out.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: Have you seen it? Yes and no. Okay. So I
• 1:16:48
  actually did a show on this. You did? Yes. I
• 1:16:50
  did not an episode of the podcast. I did an
• 1:16:52
  episode of Joe Rogan questions everything. Remember that show that
• 1:16:54
  I used to do way back in the day? We
• 1:16:57
  did a whole episode on chemtrails. And one of the
• 1:17:00
  things we found, first of all, the reason why it
• 1:17:02
  looks like that, this is just a fact. The reason
• 1:17:05
  why it looks like that is there's condensation in the atmosphere.
• 1:17:08
  You have a hot jet engine. It's passing through this
• 1:17:11
  cool air. and the hot jet engine and the cool,
• 1:17:14
  wet air creates clouds. Those clouds are real. It's artificial clouds. Also,
• 1:17:20
  they spray shit in the air. Two things are happening
• 1:17:22
  at the same time.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: You see the normal planes, you see the normal jet stream,
• 1:17:26
  and you're like, okay, checks out. Then you see the
• 1:17:29
  other ones, and it's a different jet stream.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't matter. The condensation in the atmosphere
• 1:17:36
  is inconsistent. Just like clouds are inconsistent.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: We watched them the other day make laps.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it might not be the same plane. It
• 1:17:43
  might just be a route, right? You're not watching the
• 1:17:46
  entire plane go all the way down land and come back. No, no.
• 1:17:50
  But you're watching consistent plane travel routes. That's why it
• 1:17:54
  looks like that. But it's just days where there's a
• 1:17:56
  lot of condensation in the atmosphere. Dude, I'm telling you, listen.
• 1:17:59
  Those planes, if you look at a Southwest flight, they're
• 1:18:03
  not spraying. But some planes spray shit. And there are
• 1:18:08
  some weather modification experiments they do that are completely top secret.
• 1:18:13
  They don't let anybody know about it. They do cloud seeding.
• 1:18:16
  They cause floods. Like what happened with fucking Dubai. You
• 1:18:19
  ever see that Dubai shit where Lamborghinis are floating down
• 1:18:22
  the highway? That is people fucking with the environment.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought was conspicuous. conspiracy before which.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know no it's real well abu dhabi does
• 1:18:32
  it every week abu dhabi makes it rain every week
• 1:18:35
  with cloud seeding and because they're rich yeah like fucking
• 1:18:38
  make it rain and so there's there's real weather modification
• 1:18:44
  now that's there's cloud seeding and then there's experimental shit
• 1:18:48
  like some of the shit that like bill gates was
• 1:18:50
  talking about like spraying reflective particles in the atmosphere to
• 1:18:53
  block out the sun.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: Hey, fuck face. Yeah. Who are you to make a
• 1:18:58
  decision for the whole world to rule the world? You
• 1:19:01
  didn't even graduate college. Shut the fuck up. This is crazy.
• 1:19:06
  And also the unintended consequences of any action that has
• 1:19:10
  never been taken before, like cooling off the fucking planet.
• 1:19:13
  What if this dipshit starts the next ice age and
• 1:19:16
  everybody fucking dies? Right. I know. I mean, get the
• 1:19:19
  fuck out of the air. Leave us alone. Stop playing God.
• 1:19:24
  You don't know what you're doing. And also, do you
• 1:19:26
  have any money invested in any of these projects that
• 1:19:29
  are attached to this? For sure.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: This, you know, we talk about all this stuff. Oh,
• 1:19:34
  I didn't want to say this. So for public land,
• 1:19:36
  I want to say this part of my notes. Call
• 1:19:39
  your senators. Say you want the roadless rule kept intact.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Say we don't want to.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Get rid of the 45 million acres that That are
• 1:19:47
  going to be protected with the roadless rule. But to
• 1:19:49
  call your senators is 202-224-3121. Say you want the roadless
• 1:19:57
  rules kept intact. And we have to let our voices heard.
• 1:20:01
  Our voice was heard on the Snot One Acre.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: We won that one.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: We have to do it again. You have to call
• 1:20:07
  your senators and just voice your concerns.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope. You can't let them have any ground. But, like,
• 1:20:14
  what I.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Here's what this thing was really pissed me off because
• 1:20:21
  as i said the administration at first i thought okay
• 1:20:23
  we got some we got some good pipe hitters in
• 1:20:26
  there it feels like they do what trump says if
• 1:20:30
  they don't they're gone they're like they're the scapegoat for
• 1:20:33
  whatever failed they're out of there um you can see
• 1:20:36
  the writing on the wall like i don't i was
• 1:20:39
  i wanted tulsi to get in there and kick ass
• 1:20:41
  because i knew how she felt about the war in
• 1:20:43
  iran and and like that would have how detrimental that
• 1:20:46
  would be. So I was like, I believed in her
• 1:20:50
  and now with her husband getting sick and now she's
• 1:20:52
  out of there, but it feels like people are, it's like,
• 1:20:56
  if you stand up for something, you're gone. And now
• 1:20:59
  they got this Mark Wayne Mullen in there who just
• 1:21:03
  two days ago for this road, roadless rule, he unwinded
• 1:21:06
  31 laws that were going to protect the public land.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Just 31 laws. He just said, yeah, those aren't going
• 1:21:14
  to apply anymore because we need to. They awarded a $ 1. 7
• 1:21:18
  billion contract to build a wall in Texas at Big
• 1:21:23
  Bend National Park. $ 1. 7 billion has been awarded and it
• 1:21:29
  wasn't even bid to build this wall in Big Bend
• 1:21:32
  National Park here.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: It's like, how?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: The public doesn't want that. We don't want to fucking
• 1:21:37
  wall for. They're saying for border protection. And if you
• 1:21:42
  look at like where the border crossings are, it's not
• 1:21:44
  in the middle of the fucking park.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: So what do you think that wall is really for?
• 1:21:49
  I don't know.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Fucking up National Park, one of the most pristine places
• 1:21:54
  in Texas.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the goal is. But have you
• 1:21:57
  read into it, though? Is there any arguments pro and
• 1:22:00
  con that the walls?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there is. I'm sure it's for border protection.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe Jamie can look it up. Yeah. Let's
• 1:22:06
  see if there's is there like there was no public
• 1:22:09
  input on it again. Right. That's a problem. And the
• 1:22:13
  problem is, again, they can come up with reasons why,
• 1:22:17
  you know, they have to make some new laws because, well,
• 1:22:20
  we got to protect people.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: And that's how the slippery slope began.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: It was a COVID like, you know, safe and effective.
• 1:22:26
  Protect your communities. It's like, do this for safety.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the same thing. Trump administration will bypass environmental
• 1:22:32
  laws for border project in Big Bend National Park. So
• 1:22:36
  what does it say with the argument for it is?
• 1:22:39
  According to preliminary federal notice, latest regulatory waiver will apply
• 1:22:43
  to more than 100 miles of U.S.-Mexico border. So it's
• 1:22:46
  a border wall. Yeah. From near the closed canyon trail
• 1:22:52
  in Big Bend Ranch State Park through the entirety of
• 1:22:55
  Big Bend National Park into remote parts of southeastern Brewster County.
• 1:23:00
  In the notice, Homeland Security... Mark Wayne Mullen wrote the
• 1:23:04
  administration is bypassing a wide range of laws to ensure
• 1:23:08
  the expeditious construction of barriers and roads along the southern border.
• 1:23:15
  While U.S. Customs and Border Protection continues to insist it
• 1:23:18
  will not build a 30-foot-tall steel border wall in either
• 1:23:22
  the state or national park, the agency's current plans call
• 1:23:26
  for a mix of vehicle barriers, surveillance technology, and patrol
• 1:23:30
  road upgrades to So.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: This is like not listening to the experts again. Six
• 1:23:39
  former superintendents of Big Bend National Park penned a letter
• 1:23:42
  to Mullen urging him not to take such steps. So, again,
• 1:23:44
  not listening.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: To the experts.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Just like the ballot box biology, just doing whatever the
• 1:23:49
  fuck they want. Doesn't matter what the public or the
• 1:23:52
  expert thinks.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: They're good.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Thinks they're going to do it award these bids to
• 1:23:55
  the probably some construction outfit this guy's invested in for 1.7
• 1:24:00
  billion dollars with no bid it's like how is this
• 1:24:03
  how is this okay.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's very i don't understand it is there a
• 1:24:09
  lot of crossings.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: In there no there's not that's the thing they have
• 1:24:12
  where all the crossings happen there's like this tiniest percentage
• 1:24:15
  in that park.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Cause it seems like it's probably a very remote area
• 1:24:20
  of Mexico that it connects to as well. Right. So
• 1:24:22
  it'd be very difficult to get through that way. And
• 1:24:25
  also if you're going to get through that way, like,
• 1:24:27
  good Lord. Right. You're going into like tough country. Yeah.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: And you know, that's, that's good elk country down there.
• 1:24:35
  I know people who hunt.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: West Texas. Good bulls. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I just, I don't know. It's a,
• 1:24:44
  So if you look at the millions of Americans who
• 1:24:45
  treasure Big Bend, you know, they don't want construction down there.
• 1:24:49
  And especially if we voted on it, fine. If there
• 1:24:52
  was a reason, fine. But it was never voted on.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It says the horrific plans are an affront to
• 1:24:58
  the millions of Americans who treasure Big Bend. Lakin Jordal,
• 1:25:02
  an advocate with the Center for Biological Diversity, said in
• 1:25:05
  a statement, politicians who've never set foot here are signing
• 1:25:08
  a death warrant for this wild and beautiful place. Yep. Yeah.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: And that's, you know, I've heard somebody, you know, pretty
• 1:25:15
  close with Trump tell me that he's never walked on
• 1:25:19
  dirt before.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: Trump has never walked on dirt. He plays golf. Has
• 1:25:22
  to have walked on dirt. Grass, baby. Grass and sand.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: He's got to be on dirt.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Not on his course.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: But the point is, it's like somebody who doesn't appreciate
• 1:25:31
  public land, they don't give a fuck about this.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: No, they don't give a fuck and they're not going
• 1:25:36
  to see it and they never would see it. There
• 1:25:37
  is a border wall going up there too, though. There
• 1:25:41
  as well? Same spot. Same spot? Yeah. Look, they have
• 1:25:45
  to protect the border, but if there's not a lot
• 1:25:47
  of crossings there and all of a sudden you want
• 1:25:49
  to spend all this money to build a steel border,
• 1:25:51
  like who's getting the contract? Yeah.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: And just to award that with no bid, it's just not,
• 1:25:57
  that's not, I was a public buyer. That's not how
• 1:26:00
  it works. You're spending public money. You can't just spend
• 1:26:04
  public money without a bid.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, but they bypass all this shit that Has
• 1:26:10
  the checks and balance in place to ensure that we're
• 1:26:12
  making good decisions with public money and they.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: Bypass it all.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, who suffers here? It's the people
• 1:26:18
  who don't have like some people, they go to the
• 1:26:22
  park for mental health. They want to go camp. They want,
• 1:26:25
  it's like, they might not have two nickels to their name,
• 1:26:28
  but they're appreciating nature. That's why public land is so
• 1:26:31
  important because that gives purpose to people like me, who's
• 1:26:34
  less like, I got to get out of this shithole
• 1:26:36
  city and go recharge.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So for people who don't appreciate that or care
• 1:26:42
  about that, that's wasted land. It's like we could have
• 1:26:46
  a shopping mall. We could have investors doing this. We
• 1:26:48
  could make this work. Because right now they would say that, well,
• 1:26:52
  not everybody can take advantage of this because you have
• 1:26:56
  to hike. You have to do these things. So we
• 1:26:58
  want to make it more accessible so more people can
• 1:27:00
  enjoy it.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's not how it works. You're going to fuck
• 1:27:04
  it up. Yeah. You can't just have helicopter landing plaids
• 1:27:08
  all over the fucking woods. There's your– yeah, there's your contract.
• 1:27:12
  Spike in border wall spending goes mostly to two firms
• 1:27:16
  with GOP White House ties. Construction contracts, including $ 2. 6 billion
• 1:27:21
  awarded this week, are being awarded to– at a historic
• 1:27:25
  scale through a streamlined process that could put Trump on
• 1:27:29
  track to realize his vision for a border wall.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: See that streamline process? That was bypassing 31 laws.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: And so what's there now? Like what is the border
• 1:27:41
  now between Mexico and the United States in that area?
• 1:27:45
  Is it just land? Like you just walk right across?
• 1:27:48
  It's probably the river. What is it? What is the border?
• 1:27:52
  Can we find that out, Jamie? Does it say? It
• 1:27:55
  doesn't say, but I'll look. Okay. Let's just look. Go
• 1:27:57
  up a little bit. Let's look at the map. Okay. Yeah.
• 1:27:59
  Let's see what the map looks like. Okay, let's see.
• 1:28:14
  So that's where it is? So is that the river
• 1:28:19
  that blocks it?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: Well, the river blocks the whole bottom of the border, technically.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: There's certain parts of the river. But it's not that
• 1:28:24
  hard to get across that river.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, people aren't going to go there to cross.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Look how beautiful that is. It's amazing. God,
• 1:28:33
  that's so beautiful.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: No, they're they're not going there to cross.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's all mountainous i don't know i mean it's
• 1:28:40
  hard to.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: See actually where is the most border crossings well for
• 1:28:46
  a while it was like where they had that road
• 1:28:48
  where they're just letting.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: People through most border crossings are actually in arizona really
• 1:28:53
  yeah i'm i'm almost.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Positive so i'm sure jamie's gonna find it here.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: I'm asking you how many happened through Big Bend National Park.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Find that out. Fucking one. 30. Got to stop them.
• 1:29:04
  $ 84 billion. Yeah. It's just like, God. I don't know.
• 1:29:08
  Just stuff like this.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: So what happens is like you get distracted with the Israel,
• 1:29:13
  the bombing of the girls' school, the Epstein files, and
• 1:29:16
  then they do shit like this.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, the only official border crossing inside Big Bend National
• 1:29:21
  Park is the Boquillas Port of Entry, and it sees
• 1:29:24
  on the order of about 10,000 legal crossings by visitors
• 1:29:28
  per year, plus a relatively small number of unauthorized crossings
• 1:29:31
  compared with other parts of the U.S.-Mexico border. What exists
• 1:29:35
  in Big Bend? Big Bend National Park shares about 118
• 1:29:39
  miles of border with Mexico along the Rio Grande. The
• 1:29:42
  only legal port of entry actually inside the park is
• 1:29:45
  Boquillas Crossing. Small pedestrian-only crossing to the Baquillas, Del Carmen, Mexico.
• 1:29:52
  National Park Service information and travel videos describe Baquillas as
• 1:29:57
  handling roughly 10,000 visitor crossings per year.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are mostly all legal. So 734.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: Border Patrol sector sees only a fraction of total southwest
• 1:30:09
  border crossings. One report cited 734 people documented crossing. In
• 1:30:15
  that sector by more than 27,000 along the entire U.S.-Mexico
• 1:30:20
  border in a given period. And like what year was
• 1:30:23
  that where it was 734? Was that before they shut
• 1:30:27
  down the border? It was really crazy how many people
• 1:30:31
  came in the country. Oh, I know. The fact that
• 1:30:34
  over four years it's north of 10 million and I've
• 1:30:37
  talked to people that think it's 20. It doesn't say.
• 1:30:41
  It doesn't say.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: And it just shows those out of the 27,000, but
• 1:30:46
  doesn't say they're illegal.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: So it's not a hotspot of crossing.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: The last slide there said, it says the smallest fraction
• 1:30:55
  is illegal. Of that 734, those were like total crossings
• 1:30:59
  in that area. The smallest fraction was illegal. So it's no,
• 1:31:02
  it's not.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: It's BS.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: It's BS. And they're just going to do it because
• 1:31:07
  they've got a nice contract. They want a wall, a
• 1:31:10
  beautiful wall.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: But why in the National Park? No.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: The Washington Post reported last week the skyrocketing border wall contracts,
• 1:31:21
  now totaling more than $ 19. 4 billion in the last six months,
• 1:31:25
  have mostly gone to Bernard and Fisher. That's prompted a
• 1:31:28
  lawsuit against the Trump administration from a would-be rival border
• 1:31:32
  wall builder who claims that the government doled out billions
• 1:31:36
  in contracts without genuine competitive opportunities. Yeah. All right. That's illegal.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, but that's what they're doing.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No bueno. No.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: And so but but as I was saying, they distract
• 1:31:50
  us with all this other stuff and push through shit
• 1:31:52
  like this. Like who knows what a Senate what the
• 1:31:55
  Senate or House is voting on on a fucking Tuesday? Well,
• 1:31:59
  it was this public land thing, you know, just added
• 1:32:02
  in in the middle of the night. We have no
• 1:32:04
  no say on it. We're distracted with all this fights
• 1:32:07
  at the UFC with Israel doing whatever the fuck they're doing.
• 1:32:11
  And it's just like, oh, we just lost all this
• 1:32:13
  public land too. And it's like it's impossible to keep
• 1:32:17
  up on. That's what's frustrating.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: You know what's not frustrating? This bear meat. It's pretty
• 1:32:24
  fucking good.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a man.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: That's legit. What? Okay. So what can be done? This
• 1:32:33
  bill hasn't passed, right?
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: No, now it's going to go to the Senate. So
• 1:32:37
  it was in the House. Then here's what here's the problem.
• 1:32:41
  So this was originally this roadless rule is bipartisan.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: Everybody agreed. Let's protect this.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Now, with Mike Lee adding this language in there now,
• 1:32:53
  it's turned. Now there's lines in the sand and nine
• 1:32:58
  Republican senators voted. with the Democrats on this to, to
• 1:33:03
  allow this, the roadless rule to get, to be in there.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: So now it goes to the full Senate.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Now they're going to need whatever the, the percentages, six,
• 1:33:10
  I think 60% of a full Senate vote, um, for
• 1:33:13
  it to pass.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: So we'll see. So now the scumbag lobbyists get involved
• 1:33:20
  and they start pressuring people and help you do this.
• 1:33:23
  And I'll do that and help me here.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: And I'll be there when they get overwhelmed because of
• 1:33:27
  switchboards of people call that two Oh two number. Like
• 1:33:30
  I said, then that makes it to everybody. And what's
• 1:33:34
  that number again? 202-224-3421. Say you want to keep the
• 1:33:39
  roadless rule intact. You don't want to sell off public lands.
• 1:33:42
  You don't want to, this is all BS. But they
• 1:33:46
  do this and yeah, the lobbyists get involved. And what
• 1:33:50
  happens is like, what happened with the big beautiful bill
• 1:33:53
  is this part was in there and Trump wanted it
• 1:33:56
  in there, but it was causing such a friction. He
• 1:33:59
  was just like, I want my big, beautiful bill passed.
• 1:34:02
  These guys are fucking it up with this public land stuff.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Pull that out. Let's get this through. So they did.
• 1:34:07
  They pulled out this.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: We saved the public land. Who knows what we lost
• 1:34:10
  that that was also attached. But anyway, we say public
• 1:34:13
  land at that time. They're going to for affordable housing.
• 1:34:16
  Same thing has to happen here. He's got this language
• 1:34:19
  added into the shit that are already working on that changes.
• 1:34:23
  You know, we've had we've had this in place for
• 1:34:25
  decades and it's worked right. So we have to say, no,
• 1:34:29
  we're not down with this. And they have to pull
• 1:34:30
  it out again.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I hope we can get it through. We'll push it.
• 1:34:34
  You got it up on social media where people can.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: Cameron Haynes. Yeah, I will for sure.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, it's this is so important
• 1:34:44
  because it's so important to people without a voice. So
• 1:34:47
  it's like I feel sometimes like, how did I get
• 1:34:52
  in this position? I know you do, too, like where
• 1:34:54
  you're at the White House.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: You're just like, how the.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: How the fuck could somebody like me earn this opportunity?
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: You've earned it through decades and decades of work, of
• 1:35:03
  being curious, of being fair, of being positive, of caring.
• 1:35:07
  And now people want to come on and share their
• 1:35:09
  thoughts with you. That gives you a platform. You've the
• 1:35:13
  most powerful voice probably in the world at, in, in some,
• 1:35:17
  at some times. And so you get invited to the
• 1:35:19
  white house and I know, like for me, I know
• 1:35:23
  they've used me there before. Like, yeah, I, I created
• 1:35:26
  value in myself. Um, they invited me there for veterans day.
• 1:35:31
  And I said, no, I'm not going. Cause I don't
• 1:35:32
  fucking agree with this war in Iran. I don't agree
• 1:35:35
  with all this shit. I don't want to go and
• 1:35:37
  have a picture in the fucking white house. So people
• 1:35:40
  could be like, see, see you, you fucking, you're part
• 1:35:43
  of this. You, you know, cause we did, we, we
• 1:35:45
  thought that Trump was the best option for At the
• 1:35:48
  last election, I did. I 100 percent believed he was better.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: The thing is, he might still have been the best option.
• 1:35:53
  He might be. But and that's fine. We don't know
• 1:35:57
  what would have happened if the Kamala Harris administration had
• 1:36:00
  been a continuation of the Biden administration.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: I don't want people coming in the border unchecked by
• 1:36:07
  the millions.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't want that. I didn't want.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: You know, the celebration of transgenderism. I have no problem
• 1:36:13
  with transgenders or crossdressers or I have no problem or
• 1:36:17
  gay or anything like that. I just don't want it
• 1:36:20
  promoted just crazily to our youth.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: I don't want youth getting. surgery that their parents don't
• 1:36:27
  know about because they can't have a say in it now.
• 1:36:30
  I don't, I didn't want any of that. So of
• 1:36:32
  course I'm going to vote for Trump right now. I
• 1:36:34
  don't like any of this shit. So I have the,
• 1:36:36
  my right is to say, no, I'm not down with
• 1:36:38
  this and I'm not going to the fuck. I'm not
• 1:36:40
  going to be in your picture at the fucking white
• 1:36:42
  house so you can use it. And all the people
• 1:36:44
  who listened to me would be like, Oh fuck.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: He was back there. So they wanted you to go for,
• 1:36:49
  was it was veterans day? And what was the premise
• 1:36:52
  of having you there? I don't know. But you're not
• 1:36:54
  a veteran. So what was the promise? It's only because
• 1:36:57
  I have a big platform. So you're going to celebrate
• 1:37:02
  Veterans Day at the White House and they just said,
• 1:37:04
  let's get some famous people? Probably.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's, you know, remember the Epstein files where
• 1:37:09
  all the influencers had the binder?
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: Well, it was Pam Bondi. Yeah, but. And there was
• 1:37:15
  a few other influencers.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: But they use, they can use people like us for
• 1:37:21
  their messaging.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: And. Then they invited me back again after now I've
• 1:37:26
  been pretty critical of this administration just because I care.
• 1:37:29
  And it's like, I don't have to agree with fucking
• 1:37:32
  lockstep with the person I voted for. That's our right
• 1:37:34
  as citizens to be like, I voted for that, but
• 1:37:36
  I don't agree with this. And I'm not happy about this.
• 1:37:38
  And I'm, and I want you to know that's, that's
• 1:37:40
  our right as voters.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Would they invite you back again?
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: This was back. It was for a public land thing.
• 1:37:46
  And I'm like, yeah, I'm down for it. But I
• 1:37:50
  just know I had this, this kid on Benji backer.
• 1:37:52
  He's like has this this page, this nonpartisan something for outdoors.
• 1:37:57
  But I did this show with him and there was,
• 1:38:00
  you know, bringing different people into debate public land or
• 1:38:04
  like to share why we care about public land coming
• 1:38:07
  from different places. But it's still important to us. I
• 1:38:10
  did the show with him. Well, he went I had
• 1:38:13
  him on the podcast. He talked about his how he's
• 1:38:16
  working hard to protect public land. He went back and
• 1:38:18
  Trump signed an executive order, something about public land. And
• 1:38:23
  all it was was a pomp and circumstance photo op
• 1:38:27
  to get executive order. Nothing has happened to it nothing
• 1:38:30
  has happened with it no actions been taken it was
• 1:38:33
  like all it was was just they can make a
• 1:38:37
  press clipping out of it theater a theater and nothing's
• 1:38:40
  gonna change nothing changes nothing's protected so that's what I
• 1:38:44
  feel like a lot of these times If I get
• 1:38:46
  invited there, it's for that. It's to make my base,
• 1:38:49
  if I have a base, I don't have, I'm not
• 1:38:51
  a politician, but to make my people like feel a
• 1:38:53
  little better about whatever's going on. And I understand that's
• 1:38:58
  how it works. You want powerful people on your side, right?
• 1:39:00
  I'm not saying I'm powerful, but I have a pretty
• 1:39:03
  big following. I just, I just, I went back there
• 1:39:06
  because it was a huge honor of like the few
• 1:39:08
  times that I've been back there and it's amazing. And
• 1:39:10
  it's like being in the White House, somebody like me,
• 1:39:13
  should never be there, but I've created value in my name.
• 1:39:16
  And so in some ways that I get that opportunity,
• 1:39:19
  but that opportunity comes with a price. So now I
• 1:39:21
  have to think about, am I true to what I
• 1:39:25
  believe in by showing support for this? And now it's too,
• 1:39:28
  there's too much for me that I'm not happy with it.
• 1:39:31
  I can't ignore it personally. So that's, I feel like
• 1:39:34
  they use, they use opportunities like that for, you.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: Know, for press. Well, the, It seems like there's so
• 1:39:42
  many different people that want a piece of the pie.
• 1:39:45
  And if there's these giant contracts for border walls and
• 1:39:48
  giant contracts for this, it's just such an incentive to
• 1:39:51
  do things that people don't want.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: What about the military drones? Those contracts, when this war started,
• 1:39:59
  that's– you can look into who made money on that one.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Who made money on that one? Should we look it up, Jamie?
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Jamie?
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: Drone military contract. Let's see who made money.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say, but you know, huh?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I don't know. So I'm, I'm going to
• 1:40:16
  be surprised. Yeah. So maybe, maybe not.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: But like when you follow the money, it makes a
• 1:40:21
  lot of sense.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: When you follow, when you follow a pack, you're like,
• 1:40:25
  why is this politician always pushing this shit? Where do
• 1:40:28
  they get their money? Oh, I know this guy back home.
• 1:40:31
  He's running for like this local politician thing.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: His name's Adam. He's like, he goes, I Don jr.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: What, what Jamie, what did you find?
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. What did you, are you, this has
• 1:40:44
  got to be a mistake. Eric and Don jr. Invest
• 1:40:48
  in military drone company amid Iran war. Is it Jamie?
• 1:40:52
  Where'd you find this? That seems like propaganda from Iran
• 1:40:57
  or something.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Is that a cartoon? Iran's cartoon, uh, propaganda again. Um, No,
• 1:41:05
  but so anyway, you start, I was talking about this
• 1:41:09
  local guy back home and he said that he goes,
• 1:41:13
  I need to call Israel. He goes, it is so
• 1:41:15
  hard to get money for like to run as a,
• 1:41:18
  in whatever, it's just a local election. But you go
• 1:41:20
  to a business, they say, yeah, here, I got $ 18
• 1:41:22
  I can contribute, right? Where, so you see these big politicians,
• 1:41:27
  you see how much money they're getting. It's like, wait,
• 1:41:29
  what's this APAC thing?
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Why did they get millions?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Then you start wondering how they're voting on things. You're like,
• 1:41:36
  this is making a lot more sense. It's like, where's
• 1:41:39
  the money coming from?
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to take all that out of politics.
• 1:41:44
  I don't know how you could at this point, but
• 1:41:47
  when you can influence politicians and influence who gets promoted
• 1:41:52
  to be voted for, who gets put out into the
• 1:41:55
  public eye in a great light, in a positive light,
• 1:41:59
  and then you realize that there's just all this money
• 1:42:03
  from corporations to get this person in or from other
• 1:42:06
  foreign countries to get this person in or from lobbies
• 1:42:09
  to get this person in. And you're like, wait, why?
• 1:42:11
  That's not serving us. And how do you stop that? Okay,
• 1:42:16
  here's a big question. When did money... officially become a
• 1:42:22
  problem in politics? I know that's a very broad question,
• 1:42:25
  but put that in perplexity and see what it says.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: The Citizens United thing was a big deal, but I
• 1:42:31
  think it was 2012.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: What thing is that? Citizens United. Citizens United. That was 2012.
• 1:42:36
  I think so. That changed it a lot, but it
• 1:42:38
  was always a problem before that. When did corporations become
• 1:42:41
  a real problem? When did AIPAC become a problem? When
• 1:42:51
  did AIPAC form and when did they start donating to
• 1:42:54
  American politicians? Yeah, it's– First of all, I don't think
• 1:43:01
  any foreign government, anyone connected to foreign government should have
• 1:43:04
  any influence whatsoever. On American politics. I've heard our politicians
• 1:43:09
  say their loyalty is to Israel. That is crazy. I've
• 1:43:12
  heard people say that too. Start in 2022.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: 2022.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: They not directly start donating to U.S. political candidates until 2022.
• 1:43:21
  Fucking Jesus.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: So if I don't, I mean, if I remember correctly,
• 1:43:28
  Trump didn't take any money from Israel, his first election.
• 1:43:32
  And now he just gave an award to somebody. You
• 1:43:37
  can see who he just gave an award to.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: He gave an award? What kind? One of them big ones?
• 1:43:40
  One of them nice ones where they put them around
• 1:43:42
  your neck and you stand there in the Oval Office? Yep.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: Looking like he just won the Olympics? Who contributed $ 250
• 1:43:48
  million to his last election. Oh.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: So do you want an award? That's how much you
• 1:43:53
  got to pay for an award? I'm good. I don't
• 1:43:56
  really want an award. I wouldn't know what to do
• 1:43:57
  with it anyway. So to me, that– so you said
• 1:44:01
  like if– I would imagine APEC was around much longer.
• 1:44:06
  I didn't know that, actually.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: But when I look at, like, if you look at
• 1:44:11
  Thomas Massey, he got on the crosshairs of the president
• 1:44:15
  for whatever reason, right? He got— they had a candidate they
• 1:44:19
  wanted him to lose to, and he did lose.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's the thing. We'll get to that in
• 1:44:27
  a second. Here's the thing. Citizens United— Decision is widely
• 1:44:31
  seen as having created serious problems in U.S. politics by
• 1:44:35
  vastly increasing the role of big money and reducing transparency.
• 1:44:39
  And so this was what year, Jeremy? I want to
• 1:44:41
  say it was 2012 or 2011, 2010.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: 2010. So 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted. Tilted.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tilted political influence towards wealthy donors and corporations. That's
• 1:44:55
  when we got fucked.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: I think that's when it started treating corporations like a
• 1:44:59
  person and gave them rights in some way.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: That was Obama.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: See that second bullet point? Supercharged PACs, which can take
• 1:45:05
  unlimited contributions from wealthy donors, have spent unlimited amounts. So
• 1:45:09
  that's how they control the.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: Elections right there. And that was the Obama administration. Dark money.
• 1:45:15
  Dark money from groups that don't fully disclose donors have exploded.
• 1:45:19
  Voters often cannot see who's really funding major political campaigns.
• 1:45:23
  So we need to just fucking tune the way back
• 1:45:25
  machine to 2009. But even then, like 2009 is after
• 1:45:29
  they bailed out the fucking banks. Yeah. Well, 15 years later,
• 1:45:34
  Citizens United defined the 2024 election. Yeah, there it is.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: Fucked. It's a slippery slope. Yeah.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: So that's like Ruth Ginsburg right there called it the
• 1:45:45
  worst ruling of her time on the court.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: Whoa. Overwhelming majorities of Americans have consistently expressed disapproval of
• 1:45:51
  the ruling, with at least 22 states and hundreds of
• 1:45:53
  cities voting to support a constitutional amendment to overturn it.
• 1:45:57
  Citizens United reshaped political campaigns in profound ways, giving corporations
• 1:46:02
  and billionaire-funded super PACs a central role in U.S. elections
• 1:46:06
  and making untraceable dark money a major force in politics.
• 1:46:10
  And yet it may only be now, in the aftermath
• 1:46:13
  of the 2024 election, we can begin to understand the
• 1:46:15
  full impact of the decision.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: And it's perfect too. Cause citizens United. So this is
• 1:46:20
  like the language they use to dupe us like, Oh,
• 1:46:24
  citizens United.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: We're together. This is good. Right. Just like the Patriot act. Yeah.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: Or like in Oregon, that the hunting thing, it's called
• 1:46:31
  the peace act.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Talk about that. Cause that one's bonkers. Yeah.
• 1:46:36
  So this is nuts.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: So this is same thing. It's just, it's follow the money.
• 1:46:41
  If you want to know why we're so fucked up,
• 1:46:43
  follow the money. Um, So the IP28, this is a
• 1:46:48
  crazy thing. They want to– here's where– I'll just explain
• 1:46:53
  Oregon real quick. Oregon is like a Petri dish for
• 1:46:56
  these crazy ideas, for these political ideas.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: Like if you think of.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: Legalizing recreational drug use, we did that in Oregon. Like heroin, meth,
• 1:47:07
  you can have that.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: It's fine. It's whatever. I think they turned that back.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: But they tried it to see how it would work
• 1:47:13
  in Oregon.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't work out so well.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Right. Now this is another crazy one, but they try
• 1:47:19
  it in Oregon because it's very– we've got a huge
• 1:47:22
  liberal population in Portland and Eugene and Salem.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: Not just liberals. Retards.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're more than just– because I'm friends with liberals
• 1:47:32
  for sure.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: They're gone. They're at the far end of the political
• 1:47:36
  spectrum on the left. For sure. They're full-on communists, socialists,
• 1:47:41
  no meat. Everyone should be a vegan. They want everybody
• 1:47:43
  to get bitten by that tick. Yeah. I mean, so much.
• 1:47:47
  We should talk about that, too. We'll get to that
• 1:47:49
  in a minute. But so the law, the new thing,
• 1:47:52
  the bill they're trying to pass. IP 28. First of all,
• 1:47:58
  was it the governor of Washington? Which governor? Was it
• 1:48:04
  Oregon or Washington that tried to make it so that
• 1:48:06
  you have to have a fucking license to paddleboard? Oh,
• 1:48:09
  probably Washington. Can you fucking imagine telling someone that they
• 1:48:15
  have to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe? Yeah.
• 1:48:19
  Well- You have to pay the state money to have
• 1:48:22
  a license to paddle a fucking canoe.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: They also made it like during COVID, like some guy
• 1:48:27
  was out fishing by himself in the lake.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: I think he got a ticket. A guy got arrested
• 1:48:32
  when he was surfing by himself in California.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: So you're going to get sick out there in the
• 1:48:37
  middle of the ocean surfing.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: It's just silly, but- This IP28, they bill it as,
• 1:48:42
  you know, so they'll do this thing like go to
• 1:48:45
  get these votes. They needed 117,000 votes to get this
• 1:48:49
  on the ballot. So to get 117,000 people to sign
• 1:48:54
  your petition, basically all it said was stop animal cruelty.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: All you have to do is go to Portland and
• 1:49:00
  visit one homeless shelter.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: To say, hey, do you want to stop animal cruelty?
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: Right. Okay.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love animals. Well, I love animals too.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, he signed this.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: So they didn't tell you that it's making– you can't fish.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: You can't hunt.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: You can't raise animals.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: Like– Backyard chickens. You can't raise backyard chickens for food.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: Ranchers.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: Just like even ranchers who sell beef. You can't do it.
• 1:49:23
  They're making it like even the breeding of animals. Like
• 1:49:27
  we breed cows. We breed horses. There's stud feeds. There's
• 1:49:31
  different things. It makes– better race, like race horses, but
• 1:49:36
  there's also better product for beef, right? So we control
• 1:49:40
  like when a cow goes into heat, when it gets bred,
• 1:49:44
  things like that, that's part of like being a rancher. Well,
• 1:49:47
  they want to make that like, cause a cow didn't
• 1:49:49
  agree to it.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: It's like rape.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: It's like sexual assault. Like you can't control when animals breed.
• 1:49:56
  So that takes away ranching. There is no ranching, right?
• 1:49:59
  So they want to make it to where they're not
• 1:50:01
  going to make eating meat illegal, but if people can't
• 1:50:05
  raise it, you're buying it from some other state at
• 1:50:08
  a higher price to get it.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: You're eliminating ranches in Oregon. In Oregon.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: So it's, it's killing the whole industry.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: And they could say that like, even if you, if
• 1:50:16
  you heard an animal, um, I don't know what, like
• 1:50:21
  you could get charged with assault. So this is, they
• 1:50:26
  want every animal treated like your family pet or dog.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, and, But the thing is– So if you kill
• 1:50:32
  a chicken for food, you go to jail. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: I was wondering like if you– you know how you're
• 1:50:36
  driving a car and like sometimes a bird flies in
• 1:50:39
  front of you?
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: Right. You're going to get arrested for that? Yeah, that.
• 1:50:42
  You're responsible for your vehicle. You killed that squirrel.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: So this guy who introduced this, this is the third
• 1:50:49
  attempt at doing this. He knows he's not going to
• 1:50:52
  get the vote because how it worked– to get on
• 1:50:54
  the ballot, they take 6 percent of the votes cast
• 1:50:57
  in the last governor election. So 6% of the last
• 1:51:02
  votes casted. So it's a small number, but it's 117,000.
• 1:51:05
  They can get that many by just saying stop animal cruelty.
• 1:51:10
  Now it goes to the ballot. But he knows this
• 1:51:13
  is his third time. He knows this isn't going to pass,
• 1:51:16
  but it's like, it just tells them what they need
• 1:51:18
  to work on, what language they need to change. It's
• 1:51:21
  all part of this long-term process to get hunting and
• 1:51:24
  fishing stopped, right? Because I think like in general, The government,
• 1:51:30
  they like consumers. They don't like people being too.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: Self-sufficient.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: They like them relying on that. This is another step.
• 1:51:37
  Like if we can get rid of ranchers, hunting and fishing,
• 1:51:40
  don't need the guns, don't need to be killing stuff.
• 1:51:43
  Then you're just like, we'll provide the meat for you.
• 1:51:45
  Bill Gates owns all this land. You talked about Bill
• 1:51:47
  Gates before, him making decisions on shit he doesn't know
• 1:51:50
  anything about.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: He dropped out of college. But did you say he
• 1:51:53
  dropped out of college? Yeah.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: So it's, they want to be able to control Who's
• 1:52:00
  providing the food?
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: Who's making the money?
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: What type of food it is? You know, it's like
• 1:52:05
  it goes back to the whole WEC thing. It's like
• 1:52:08
  you will own nothing and be happy. It's like that's
• 1:52:10
  they want these smart cities working towards that to where, no,
• 1:52:13
  you don't need to be a badass hunter anymore.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: We got it. Right. And they can use these nutty
• 1:52:19
  progressive people as just useful idiots to push things through.
• 1:52:22
  That's all it is. And then you'll get a bunch
• 1:52:23
  of people that are pushing money, PACs that are pushing
• 1:52:26
  money towards these people to fund them. to push these
• 1:52:28
  wacky ideas. Right. Why would they do that? Well, that's
• 1:52:31
  why they do that. They do that because they want
• 1:52:33
  you dependent on them.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: And this is part of this process where it doesn't
• 1:52:36
  happen overnight. And this thing won't, won't make it into
• 1:52:39
  law for sure, but they'll see where they're at. This
• 1:52:43
  will be like, okay, here's where we're at. Here's what
• 1:52:45
  we need to change on our messaging. Here's where the
• 1:52:48
  biggest pushback was. And they adjust where can we do
• 1:52:54
  that on the other side? It's like, I know there's,
• 1:52:56
  There's farming and ranching organizations, but it's money. It's like,
• 1:53:02
  who's giving these people the money? It's usually coming from
• 1:53:04
  out of state. And they have more money and they're
• 1:53:07
  more organized than people who are working. Because when you're
• 1:53:11
  a rancher, you're fucking working all the time. You can't
• 1:53:14
  go get signatures and shit. You got work to do.
• 1:53:19
  These environmental people that are just crazy extremists, they get
• 1:53:24
  paid for doing this. So it's like that's their job.
• 1:53:30
  A rancher, he has a job and it's very hard.
• 1:53:32
  He doesn't have time to go out and knock on doors.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: That's the really fucked up part is a lot of
• 1:53:37
  these people that are these protesters, these organizers, that is
• 1:53:42
  their job. And that's hard for people to really understand.
• 1:53:46
  And until you listen to people like Mike Benz where
• 1:53:48
  he breaks down how NGOs work and how they fund things. Yeah.
• 1:53:54
  The fact that like most of these things are a
• 1:53:56
  fucking scam. Most nonprofits are a fucking scam. And it's
• 1:54:01
  hard for people to wrap their head around that because
• 1:54:03
  you think of nonprofit, like, oh, my son works for
• 1:54:06
  a nonprofit. Oh, he must be a good guy. Yeah.
• 1:54:08
  He's like trying to help. And maybe he is a
• 1:54:11
  good guy. Maybe he starts out a good guy. But
• 1:54:13
  then you're corrupted by this system that you realize like, oh, no,
• 1:54:17
  the nonprofit is essentially about supporting the nonprofit. And most
• 1:54:20
  of the money goes to the supporting of this organization.
• 1:54:24
  the overhead, the structure, all the infrastructure, all the people
• 1:54:28
  working there, they all get paid very well. And then
• 1:54:32
  a little piece goes to whatever the fuck it is.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: The people starting the nonprofit will be like, okay, first,
• 1:54:39
  I'm going to need this much money.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Oh, you want to be my VP? I can
• 1:54:43
  count on you.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: You're going to make this much money.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: So that's what happens.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: And then whatever's left is like, that's their you know,
• 1:54:52
  that they can't write off.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: That's what they contribute. Yeah. What did I see this? Oh,
• 1:54:57
  this is another one that I saw about nonprofit hospitals.
• 1:55:02
  Do you know that nonprofit hospitals are the most profitable? Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:55:07
  for sure.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: They can just hide that money. They charge crazy amounts.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: How crazy is that? Like nonprofit are the most profitable.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: So this whole idea is it's all just bullshit. Most
• 1:55:22
  of what you think of as like philanthropy is really–
• 1:55:26
  like the Bill Gates stuff.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: There's a great book called– fuck. What is the name
• 1:55:30
  of the book? I read this book, Controligarchs, and it's
• 1:55:34
  all about how a lot of these guys, they realize
• 1:55:39
  that they're having public image problems like particularly Bill Gates
• 1:55:43
  like during the antitrust lawsuits with Microsoft.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: Then he pivots to this Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
• 1:55:50
  where it's all about philanthropy. But they're philanthrocapitalists. All the
• 1:55:55
  different philanthropy ventures are extremely profitable. Like he made $ 500
• 1:56:00
  million allegedly off the COVID vaccine, off of his investments
• 1:56:04
  in this vaccine that didn't even fucking work well.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: I think Trump got paid with that too. But it's
• 1:56:10
  like– yeah, it's– the money thing– I don't know. The citizens,
• 1:56:16
  the regular citizens are the ones that pay the price
• 1:56:18
  for this shit.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's dark. And so here it is. Put your
• 1:56:23
  headset on real quick. Listen, this guy I talk about.
• 1:56:27
  Congressman recently described some nonprofit hospitals as hedge funds with
• 1:56:32
  hospital beds.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: Persons say that nonprofit hospitals were like hedge funds with
• 1:56:37
  hospital beds. And I was like, I bet they are.
• 1:56:39
  What's going on here? Because in the United States, more
• 1:56:41
  than half of our hospitals are nonprofits. But the hospital
• 1:56:45
  world doesn't feel very non-profit-y. And then I read this
• 1:56:48
  article by Scott Hodge in the Washington Post that talked
• 1:56:51
  about how they need to be taxed. And it turns
• 1:56:53
  out that the total revenues of non-profit hospitals in America
• 1:56:57
  in 2023, so three years ago, was $ 1. 3 trillion. And
• 1:57:01
  it turns out that they're getting a bunch of taxpayer money.
• 1:57:03
  In fact, three years ago, so this is probably a
• 1:57:05
  lot more now, non-profit hospitals were making $ 45 billion worth
• 1:57:09
  of profit. And as I mentioned, we taxpayers give them
• 1:57:12
  a bunch of money. In fact, in 2021, we gave
• 1:57:15
  them $ 38 billion, $ 11. 5 billion of it because they don't
• 1:57:20
  have to pay any taxes. And that was five years ago.
• 1:57:23
  So this is probably more like $ 60 billion now. And
• 1:57:25
  the reason that we hypothetically give them this money as
• 1:57:28
  taxpayers is because they're supposed to do charity. But there
• 1:57:31
  was a study that looked at almost 1,500 nonprofit hospitals
• 1:57:35
  and found that 86% of them provided little or no charity.
• 1:57:39
  And that's because almost everybody that goes to hospitals has insurance.
• 1:57:42
  It's either private health insurance or insurance from the government.
• 1:57:45
  Only 3% of people don't have health insurance, and it's
• 1:57:48
  not like the hospitals give them a deal. Turns out
• 1:57:50
  that the government was checking this out around 2009. The
• 1:57:54
  hospitals spun up a lobbying campaign and got any requirements
• 1:57:58
  that would basically define what kind of charity they would
• 1:58:00
  have to do squashed. So now it's kind of the
• 1:58:03
  honor system. So I was like, where are those billions
• 1:58:05
  of dollars going that the non-profit hospitals make in profits
• 1:58:09
  turns out it goes to executives like these ceos who
• 1:58:11
  are getting paid about four and a half million dollars
• 1:58:13
  a year meanwhile their nurses make about 70k four and
• 1:58:16
  a half million a year here apparently management consultants getting
• 1:58:19
  billions of dollars from non-profit hospitals and here's a guy
• 1:58:22
  robert at a hospital in new york who paid himself 15.3
• 1:58:25
  million dollars a year Nonprofit hospital. And there are really
• 1:58:29
  good nonprofit hospitals that are primarily funded by donations and
• 1:58:33
  serve low-income families and people.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: In need, like St. Jude or like the Shriners.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 6: But it looks like about 86% of these nonprofit hospitals
• 1:58:40
  get $ 50 or $ 60 billion from U.S. taxpayers like you
• 1:58:44
  and me because they're supposed to do some form of charity,
• 1:58:47
  but they paid off the government so they don't have
• 1:58:48
  to really do charity.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: And some of their CEOs are making $ 15. 3 million a year.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 6: While we subsidize them with like $ 50 billion.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: Do you think this is right? I saw this conversation. Okay,
• 1:58:58
  so this is P. Davis Jones on Instagram. Motherfuckers. See,
• 1:59:05
  it's like, it's again, it's just like the UFO thing. Yep. Distractions.
• 1:59:11
  There's so much to pay attention to. There's so much
• 1:59:14
  fucking fraud and there's so much chaos. This is what
• 1:59:17
  Elon told me when he started looking into the Doge stuff.
• 1:59:19
  He's like, it's impossible. To describe the amount of fraud. Yeah.
• 1:59:23
  He's like, it's insane. That's what Nick Shirley found in
• 1:59:26
  Minnesota when he went to investigate the daycares and also
• 1:59:29
  found in California with hospice care centers. There's entire motels
• 1:59:34
  where every room was supposed to be an office for
• 1:59:37
  some fucking nonprofit. And they're all just siphoning money. So
• 1:59:41
  it's madness.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: So that's like that's what it makes money. Regular people
• 1:59:45
  like me, like what's the answer? It's like, what's the
• 1:59:49
  point to all this?
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: Aliens.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, I'm paying my ass in taxes for shit like this.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Or for war. Yeah, all of it's gross.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: Every single, yeah. I mean, what we're going to have
• 2:00:03
  to have is some sort of like radical transparency where
• 2:00:09
  all this stuff gets exposed and gets exposed like probably
• 2:00:12
  with some AI program. And no one's going to want
• 2:00:16
  to turn that on. Right. They're never going to want
• 2:00:18
  everyone to know exactly how much fraud and how much
• 2:00:21
  fucking terrible management they've done with our money.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: Like the Pentagon's never passed an audit once.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: Not one. No. And you look at- You don't pass
• 2:00:29
  an audit. You're going to jail. For sure. Yeah. Not them.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: You look at, yeah, how much we're in debt, all
• 2:00:34
  the shenanigans they do with the public money.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: It's just like- That's over-exaggerated. We're only in debt $ 39 trillion.
• 2:00:39
  That's not a big deal. Isn't that crazy? You know,
• 2:00:42
  the thing is they could just print $ 39 trillion and
• 2:00:44
  it's done. Yeah.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: Pay it off. The reason why they don't is because
• 2:00:48
  they have really good control. God. You're doing a great job.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: One thing on this hunting thing, I do have to
• 2:00:54
  give credit to Dan Gates and Howell. It's like they've
• 2:00:57
  done a good job in Colorado fighting this. We've won
• 2:01:02
  a few things there.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: Have they tried the same thing with Oregon and Colorado,
• 2:01:06
  the same kind of thing? Well, no.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: What Dan is doing, he's got out their Initiative 302.
• 2:01:14
  And it's going to make hunting and fishing in Colorado
• 2:01:17
  a constitutional right.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: So hopefully that, you know how these, just like this,
• 2:01:23
  this lobbyist and this IP 28, they're seeing what works
• 2:01:26
  and what they can get away with and kind of
• 2:01:28
  planning for the future. Well, if Dan is successful with
• 2:01:31
  this initiative 302 passing, that will be like how we
• 2:01:34
  can address this in the future to protect hunting and fishing.
• 2:01:36
  Cause if we can go through there, this is like
• 2:01:38
  the litmus test for it.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: Then, okay.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe we can do this in other states also. So
• 2:01:43
  this is a big one coming up they're working.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: On right now. But, I mean, we have to– we
• 2:01:47
  just have to.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: Get more savvy politically to– when they're doing shit like this,
• 2:01:52
  we have to be more in tune and educated on it.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: God, it's such a bummer though because like the people
• 2:01:57
  that I know like Mike Benz that do this all day,
• 2:02:00
  I do not envy them. Terrible. I mean, Mike Benz
• 2:02:03
  makes these live streams where he's just exposing and they
• 2:02:06
  last for hours. Who's going to go through them all? Well,
• 2:02:09
  my notes here. And he's exposing all these different companies.
• 2:02:11
  Be nice. Be positive. We didn't do any of that.
• 2:02:14
  How do you talk about this? It's hard.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: In a nice and positive way.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: It's very, very, very difficult. Very. Especially because these are
• 2:02:24
  real problems.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: Last on my list. Well, I don't know what's on
• 2:02:30
  the list, but- Oh, I do want to talk about
• 2:02:33
  this public land. I want to shout out Ryan Callahan
• 2:02:36
  from Backcountry Hunters and Anglers.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: You know old Cal. Sure, sure. Great guy. Great guy.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: Bust his ass for this shit. Martin Heinrich, which is,
• 2:02:45
  he's a senator there in New Mexico. He's, I think
• 2:02:48
  he's a Democrat. I don't give a shit about Democrat, Republican, whoever.
• 2:02:53
  He just fights for public lands and he's a badass.
• 2:02:56
  And then also Ron Wyden there in Oregon, who normally
• 2:02:59
  I'd probably never agree with anything on because- you know,
• 2:03:01
  it's just different, but he is, he does get, I
• 2:03:03
  want to, I want to give those guys credit for
• 2:03:06
  trying their best to protect and fight against this public
• 2:03:08
  land sell-off and Mike Lee and this energy resource committee,
• 2:03:14
  which is, you know, they're beholden to a different set
• 2:03:17
  of values. Usually it's money related and these guys are
• 2:03:20
  kind of fighting for, for the guys like us who
• 2:03:23
  just enjoy being out in the mountains.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: So you're being positive. Yeah.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to tell those guys are doing great,
• 2:03:30
  but I was going to bring this up. This is
• 2:03:34
  like the whole scandal I've been involved with recently, which
• 2:03:38
  feels like a lot for me, which I don't like.
• 2:03:40
  But my point on it is I feel like.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: Well, let's explain the scandal before you get into that.
• 2:03:48
  So you won the Oregon Marathon in your age category.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: And then someone started complaining because you had taken BPC 157.
• 2:04:01
  which is a banned substance. So you would take, for
• 2:04:06
  people that don't know, as ridiculous as it sounds, Cam
• 2:04:09
  broke his foot like two years ago. You broke your
• 2:04:12
  foot like two years ago, and you never got it fixed.
• 2:04:15
  So all these miles you've been running, you've been running
• 2:04:17
  with a broken foot. And you went to Ways to Well.
• 2:04:22
  They treated your foot with stem cells, and they injected
• 2:04:25
  BPC-157 into your foot to help your foot heal. Um,
• 2:04:31
  is it healed now? Is the bone fused up? Yeah.
• 2:04:33
  What did it do? It just grew back. Yeah. Finally.
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: It was like, it took a while cause I didn't
• 2:04:37
  stop running. And what does it look like now on
• 2:04:40
  an x-ray? It's like kind of the, the bonus, it
• 2:04:43
  was a big break, like a pretty wide break, which
• 2:04:45
  is why the surgeon.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: Didn't know if it was going to be able to,
• 2:04:48
  the bone is going.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: To be able to make it across her. Cause I
• 2:04:50
  kept like moving, moving it. And, um, and he told me,
• 2:04:54
  he's like, you know, with this, this is, I just
• 2:04:57
  had the same surgery done on my, my thumb. where
• 2:05:01
  the the ligament pulls a piece of the bone off
• 2:05:04
  and breaks it right so that your ligaments and tendons
• 2:05:06
  very strong the bone fracture so what happened here is
• 2:05:10
  i fell and i was doing a race and and
• 2:05:15
  basically shredded my ligament broke this bone so they had
• 2:05:18
  to hope that the bone was big enough to go
• 2:05:20
  attach it back to where it broke from because bone
• 2:05:23
  on bone healing is much better than ligament to bone
• 2:05:27
  it's like quicker right so we need a piece of
• 2:05:29
  that bone Well, in my foot, they said he didn't
• 2:05:33
  know how big that piece I broke off was. So
• 2:05:35
  there's a chance that it wouldn't reattach through surgery. So
• 2:05:39
  which means he'd have to take the ligament back to it.
• 2:05:42
  It's called a Jones fracture. It's on the outside of
• 2:05:43
  my foot and hope it connected. But that would be
• 2:05:48
  like stretching that ligament beyond where it's supposed by design.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: So it probably changed the function of your foot.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: It would change the dynamic of my foot and how
• 2:05:56
  my foot and I run. I have a good stride.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: I run well.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm, and he said, there's no guarantee that this
• 2:06:03
  will attach like it should, or that, you know, you'd
• 2:06:06
  need another surgery if this doesn't work. And then another
• 2:06:09
  one to get the hardware out. So I'm just like,
• 2:06:13
  I really don't want to do two or three surgeries.
• 2:06:15
  Let's see if we can try other treatments, less invasive.
• 2:06:18
  If I can just deal with this pain for long enough,
• 2:06:21
  would my foot heal?
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: And it has.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: So I was like very, interested in not getting the
• 2:06:27
  surgery based on, you know, he's a renowned surgeon. He
• 2:06:31
  does all the surgeries on the Oregon football team. He's
• 2:06:33
  a stud trust, totally trust him. But I heard what
• 2:06:36
  he was saying about like, Hey, there's no guarantee this
• 2:06:38
  is going to work perfect. And I took that to heart.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: So when did you have the injury? How long ago?
• 2:06:43
  It was June 16th of 2024. Okay. Yeah. Quite a
• 2:06:46
  long time ago. Right. So basically a solid two years. Yeah.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: So I went in and I dealt with it for,
• 2:06:52
  I mean, it hurt, for a long time, I just
• 2:06:54
  didn't want to stop living, you know? And I'm like, okay,
• 2:06:56
  if it's just pain, I have a very high pain tolerance.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to block that out and just do what
• 2:07:02
  I do. So I did, I did, I did everything.
• 2:07:05
  I did all my hunts. I did races and it
• 2:07:08
  was terrible. And, but I made it, I made it
• 2:07:11
  through and my foot's healed. But so broke it in June,
• 2:07:14
  went into ways. Well, I think in July went back
• 2:07:17
  in November, which is when I got that stem cell
• 2:07:20
  back in it. And, uh, when they put in the
• 2:07:23
  BPC there that, that one time in November. And, um,
• 2:07:28
  so that was like, that was a thing. And all
• 2:07:30
  I said, you know, I had a very fast Eugene
• 2:07:33
  marathon time for me. Um, I'm healthier than now that
• 2:07:36
  I've ever been.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: I've retired.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: I've done more specific training, all these people, you know,
• 2:07:42
  I've been labeled as like a doper, right?
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: Like almost like Lance Armstrong. Well, you've been labeled by
• 2:07:47
  one very specific person that is a professional runner. Who's
• 2:07:51
  also a vegan and has been very vocal about you
• 2:07:55
  in an anti-hunting way. So he's got that. And you're also,
• 2:08:00
  your time, your running time, he's, is he 18 years
• 2:08:04
  younger than you? Yes. And your running time is very
• 2:08:07
  similar to his. His last marathon, yeah. Yeah. And your
• 2:08:11
  running time of this year's marathon, which you won in
• 2:08:14
  your age class- is quicker than last year's by quite
• 2:08:18
  a bit. Yeah. What people don't understand is last year,
• 2:08:23
  your fucking foot was broken.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't run last year cause I was hurt. So
• 2:08:27
  it was quicker than like the year before.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: Right. Was your foot broken then? No, no. Okay. So
• 2:08:34
  your time is quicker now than it's ever been before
• 2:08:38
  after recovering from your broken foot. Yeah. And that's amazing. It's,
• 2:08:42
  but how much quicker? 10 minutes.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: It was my best time was in, my very best
• 2:08:47
  time was in 2006. Me and Lance Armstrong, we did
• 2:08:50
  the New York marathon. I didn't even see him during
• 2:08:53
  this one, but I ran 250, like 21 in New York.
• 2:08:56
  I ran 250 quite a few times, like Boston. When
• 2:08:59
  I ran with Lance in 2008, I did run 250 again.
• 2:09:02
  And that's when we finished together. And, you know, Truett
• 2:09:06
  and I were talking about this too, just the other day,
• 2:09:08
  because Truett, my son, he's going for the Olympic trials qualifier.
• 2:09:12
  in the marathon, which means he needs to run quicker
• 2:09:14
  than a 216. So we were talking about this and,
• 2:09:18
  and it's just my training and even his training, cause
• 2:09:22
  I'm not a coach and I don't know, I just
• 2:09:25
  run to get in shape for bow hunting.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: I don't, I'm not a pro. Um, but, and I
• 2:09:31
  had him run and he's very talented, but I didn't
• 2:09:34
  know how to coach him either. So he hired a
• 2:09:36
  real coach And when you start getting into this marathon
• 2:09:40
  training and specifics of it and why you do certain
• 2:09:44
  exercises and why there's certain stimulus from, I mean, I
• 2:09:47
  just had the winner of the Eugene Marathon on my
• 2:09:49
  podcast and we did a really fast run. We ran
• 2:09:53
  a 506 mile, which I had never done, a mile
• 2:09:55
  seven of an eight mile run. And then he said, okay, my,
• 2:09:59
  his name is Jack Siddell. He's like an amazing athlete,
• 2:10:02
  has 1400 followers, which is kind of crazy that These amazing,
• 2:10:07
  talented people have a small amount of following, but their
• 2:10:10
  talent is incredible. So he won it. I ran with
• 2:10:14
  him just the other day and he said, oh, I
• 2:10:16
  need to do eight 100-meter strides, which is essentially sprinting.
• 2:10:22
  After we ran super hard eight miles, climbed a 2,000-foot
• 2:10:27
  mountain and did this fast pace, but he still had
• 2:10:31
  to get the stimulus needed. for what he's asking his
• 2:10:34
  body to do, which is qualify for the Olympics, right?
• 2:10:37
  So the stimulus is what I've never done before. I've
• 2:10:40
  never got on the track and did it. All I
• 2:10:42
  ever did was just go run. I just run.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: It's what I do.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: It's like, how do I move this needle in the
• 2:10:47
  right direction in a positive way?
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: I got to put in work.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: How I'd put in work was I'd go run mile
• 2:10:52
  after mile after mile, some days, 20 miles a day,
• 2:10:55
  because I felt like that was an a noble sacrifice
• 2:10:59
  for me and for achieving what goals I wanted, which
• 2:11:01
  was bow hunting related, not, not racing related. Well, with
• 2:11:05
  Truett taking on this Olympic trials qualifier journey, he's, he's
• 2:11:10
  been doing the stimulus, hired a coach and like, Hey dad,
• 2:11:13
  you need to do this type of stuff. You know,
• 2:11:15
  you get on the track. You wouldn't think you need
• 2:11:17
  to get on track to run 26 miles quick, but
• 2:11:18
  you do because you need the stimulus for your body.
• 2:11:21
  I had never done any of that. I had never
• 2:11:22
  got enough sleep.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: I would sleep.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: You know, if I was going to do a marathon
• 2:11:26
  a day and still be at work 10 hours a day,
• 2:11:28
  I'd have to get up at start at 2 45 AM.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: And I did.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I wouldn't go to bed until midnight. I
• 2:11:35
  didn't care about sleep. You'd have met Dr. Matthew Walker
• 2:11:38
  on here.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: I'd say, fuck that dork.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not listening to sleep. It's like, I don't need sleep.
• 2:11:42
  I can still perform. Look at, I just ran 26
• 2:11:45
  miles yesterday on two hours of sleep, but I wasn't
• 2:11:48
  performing at my best because my, I had to overcome
• 2:11:51
  my body fatigue. So for decades, I, I would work,
• 2:11:56
  didn't miss a day of work in 26 years, never
• 2:11:59
  called in sick once. Always get my miles in, always
• 2:12:03
  get my work done. I was leading the crews. People
• 2:12:05
  relied on me to be a good leader. I had
• 2:12:07
  to be there. I'd still put in this work. I
• 2:12:10
  would not get any sleep. My body was so depleted.
• 2:12:13
  I still did everything I needed to do at the
• 2:12:15
  highest level I could. Turns out the highest level I
• 2:12:18
  could given those circumstances was a 250 marathon.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: So I required three, or I mean, I retired three
• 2:12:25
  years ago.
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: Now I'm getting sleep.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: Now I'm doing sauna, cold puns. I get, you know,
• 2:12:29
  I spend, let's see, spend 2000 bucks a month on
• 2:12:35
  massage and body work. And now with more specific training,
• 2:12:43
  like last year I ran with Truett, he ran 238
• 2:12:46
  in Boston, 234 in Eugene. We went on a run
• 2:12:49
  right before that. He said, dad, I can't keep up
• 2:12:51
  with you. You should be going for the sub 230.
• 2:12:54
  He was trying to break 230. He goes, you should
• 2:12:57
  be going for the sub 230. You're faster than me.
• 2:13:01
  So this was last year, but then I got hurt.
• 2:13:02
  So last year I was going to break this same record.
• 2:13:06
  This year I've been healthy. I knew I was going
• 2:13:09
  to get my fastest time ever. I put up a
• 2:13:11
  post and I said, PR or ER. I'm either getting
• 2:13:14
  a personal record or I'm going to the emergency room.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sending it. So I said, PR, ER, and I
• 2:13:20
  got a PR.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: I got 239.11, one of the fastest ever for a 58-year-old.
• 2:13:26
  And it's like that caused people to pay attention, which
• 2:13:30
  I get. It's a very fast marathon for somebody almost
• 2:13:33
  60 years old. But you have to look at the
• 2:13:36
  full picture and say like, this wasn't some just guy
• 2:13:40
  who just started running. I've been running since I'm five
• 2:13:44
  years old.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: I'm 58.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: I was running, pushing myself at five, running further than
• 2:13:49
  any other kid in school.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: Winning an awards. That was 53 years ago. Okay. I've
• 2:13:56
  been doing this a while.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: I haven't been training specifically because I didn't care. And
• 2:14:01
  so this guy said, oh, have, you know, he's like
• 2:14:05
  mad that I was so fast. He's talked shit about Truett.
• 2:14:08
  I don't, and I'm trying to be nice and positive.
• 2:14:10
  So I'm not going to say his name. I'm not
• 2:14:11
  going to, I understand people who want to protect clean sport.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: I applaud USADA. I applaud WADA.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: I applaud clean sports.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: I love it. It's required for the.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: Olympic athletes to get their just due. For me, he said,
• 2:14:27
  you know, he's talking shit about Truett, which he's already
• 2:14:30
  on my radar because I remember Truett said, hey, there's
• 2:14:32
  this elite guy who's saying that I'm dishonoring the marathon
• 2:14:35
  because I have no chance of getting the standard. And,
• 2:14:39
  you know, I said, who?
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: Why is that dishonoring the marathon?
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: Because he was saying like Truett was so far away
• 2:14:45
  from his time that, It was unrealistic to even put
• 2:14:49
  that as a goal. My point was, he's a runner
• 2:14:53
  just like you. He has a big dream just like
• 2:14:55
  you had. Why shit on his dream? Somebody says that
• 2:14:59
  this dream, they want to do it.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: You're a running coach. How would it be dishonorable to
• 2:15:02
  have a lofty ambition? That doesn't even make sense.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: That was just words. The words are associated because he's
• 2:15:09
  my son. So that's all that mattered too. But he
• 2:15:15
  was on my radar for that because– Truett told me
• 2:15:18
  and I said, who? And I hadn't, didn't even really
• 2:15:20
  know who it was.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: Looked him up. I'm just like, yeah, fuck, whatever.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I knew the name. Well, he comes on
• 2:15:25
  my page after this and he says something like he
• 2:15:29
  dug up this old post from like 2011, which is
• 2:15:32
  still up there. And it talked about the shit I
• 2:15:34
  was taken from is like complete nutrition, which is like GNC.
• 2:15:38
  And it was, you know, if you go to GNC,
• 2:15:40
  it's like, you know, mass gainer 2000 so like everything
• 2:15:45
  seems like it's a steroid it's over the counter it's
• 2:15:47
  not fucking steroids you can't buy steroids over the counter
• 2:15:50
  everything that on that thing that i was doing i
• 2:15:52
  was sponsored by complete nutrition all over the counter supplements
• 2:15:56
  it's like there's no fucking epo on here it's like
• 2:15:59
  what these people try to make it sound like it
• 2:16:02
  was just shit that i was lifting weights.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: That's from 15 years ago 2011 it's a.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: It's a blog post he still has it yeah it's
• 2:16:09
  like Like I said, prating around like a trophy. It's
• 2:16:11
  like fucking over the counter, whatever. So he said, I said,
• 2:16:17
  are you still talking about that? This is like late
• 2:16:19
  at night. I was kind of irritated. Didn't, doesn't, guy
• 2:16:23
  irritates me anyway. So he said, could you pass a,
• 2:16:25
  you saw at a drug test? And I said, I
• 2:16:28
  have no idea. It has nothing to do with me.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: Probably not though, because I, I didn't actually, I didn't
• 2:16:35
  even know, but I know it's very restrictive when, And
• 2:16:39
  I've had a lot of Olympians and things on my show.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: We don't talk about the drug test stuff.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: We just go running.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: Well, what stuff would you take had you taken that
• 2:16:49
  wouldn't allow you to pass a drug test? The stuff
• 2:16:52
  you're taking now, what supplements can you not take? Because
• 2:16:54
  there's a lot of stuff that people just take normally
• 2:16:57
  that you can't take. Peptides are one of them, right?
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: Certain peptides.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: Certain peptides.
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: I think you can take certain ones. But I don't
• 2:17:05
  even know because— I had never looked at the list.
• 2:17:09
  I tried to with this when this came up.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is a lot of people fail
• 2:17:14
  just by taking supplements because there's contamination of supplements. That's
• 2:17:20
  what happened to Sugar Sean O'Malley, Osterine. It's happened to
• 2:17:24
  a lot of athletes.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: With this, most of the stuff that you would buy
• 2:17:28
  at GNC, probably an Olympian couldn't take.
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: Or they'd have to check it out. A lot of
• 2:17:34
  stuff couldn't. Right. Because it's like how.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: Clean is a lab? How susceptible is to contamination? So
• 2:17:41
  a lot of them, like they're thinking about this shit
• 2:17:44
  every day.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: It's their whole life. If they pop hot, their career's over.
• 2:17:49
  So it's a huge deal. I had Jordan Burroughs in
• 2:17:52
  here and he wouldn't even try a Kill Cliff CBD drink.
• 2:17:55
  He was like, I don't think I can take this.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I had Cheeto on my show and I said, hey,
• 2:18:00
  you want to try a ketone?
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: So he called Jeff Nowinski and he said, could I
• 2:18:06
  take this ketone IQ? And Jeff said, well, depends on
• 2:18:11
  what batch is approved. So the batch of the ketone
• 2:18:16
  IQ that was made has to be approved. The other
• 2:18:19
  batch might not be approved. So you could fail from
• 2:18:22
  that other batch. I didn't know any of that shit,
• 2:18:25
  but he called him right before we did it.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: So he didn't take it.
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: It's just like, so there's things like that where it's just,
• 2:18:31
  it's nonstop. I don't know if I can take this, this, that.
• 2:18:34
  I've never been in that position because I'm I just
• 2:18:37
  run to bow hunt. I've never looked at these lists.
• 2:18:40
  I've never done anything. But a lot of stuff that,
• 2:18:42
  you know, Sudafed is on there. ADHD medicine is on there.
• 2:18:46
  You can't take or you have to get what they
• 2:18:49
  call a therapeutic use exemption.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: So say if.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: You were a regular guy and you had low testosterone
• 2:18:56
  and you wanted to do TRT, you could get that
• 2:18:59
  approved through a therapeutic use exemption.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: That's very interesting. Through a doctor. Because you can run
• 2:19:05
  in the marathon with a therapeutic use exemption of testosterone,
• 2:19:10
  which is a legitimate performance-enhancing supplement. Yeah, theoretically.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if– they'd have to look at your
• 2:19:15
  numbers and where you're at and like if this was real.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you're supposed to take a very specific amount. Like
• 2:19:20
  this was the issue with the UFC when the UFC
• 2:19:22
  had TUEs.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: And they had TRT, VTOR, those days. When guys were
• 2:19:28
  taking like large amounts of that shit. And that's actually
• 2:19:31
  what stopped the program is that people started testing like
• 2:19:33
  off the fucking charts for testosterone. Right. And they realized like, okay,
• 2:19:36
  these guys are straight up juicing. Yeah, for sure. But
• 2:19:40
  if you're a 60-year-old person and you want to run
• 2:19:43
  the marathon and you're on testosterone, it's legal. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:19:47
  And it should be. It's like.
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: The TUE thing is still probably abused in some ways
• 2:19:52
  because– we know these doctor patient relationships, you can say, Hey,
• 2:19:57
  I want to do this. Can you make it sound
• 2:19:58
  like this?
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: Right. Of course. And that's, that's always going to be
• 2:20:01
  the case.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not even, I'm not even talking. All I'm saying
• 2:20:03
  is like for, and I talked to Olympians about the
• 2:20:07
  situation because I want to make sure I understand it.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: It's like, if, if I'm as a regular citizen, so
• 2:20:14
  there's 9,000 runners in the Eugene marathon, are we all
• 2:20:18
  going to be held to the standard of Olympic athletes? Right.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: Are they testing everybody in the Eugene Marathon? They didn't
• 2:20:25
  test anybody. Anybody.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: So there's prize money that's paid out. There's Olympic trials
• 2:20:34
  qualifying standards, which are met. So now you're in the
• 2:20:37
  Olympic trials. And I don't want to shit on the
• 2:20:40
  Eugene Marathon because these smaller marathons, they don't have the
• 2:20:43
  money to be testing 9,000 people. Of course. Or probably
• 2:20:47
  these tests are expensive. So- There's something to like if
• 2:20:53
  it's a USATF, so United States of America Track and
• 2:20:56
  Field Association, if it's one of those events and it's
• 2:20:59
  for like a world championship or it's for like a
• 2:21:04
  team position, I get it. And it does need to
• 2:21:06
  be for the Eugene Marathon with 9000 people. It's not
• 2:21:11
  realistic to say we're going to drug test everybody. Or
• 2:21:14
  if you're taking whatever you need a therapeutic.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: Use exemption?
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: Because do you think USADA could review, say, if people
• 2:21:22
  are taking three or four different medications times 9,000, they
• 2:21:25
  don't have the resource to go through all those TUEs, right?
• 2:21:29
  It's not realistic. So there should be, in my opinion,
• 2:21:33
  two categories. You got your regular runners, which I'm in,
• 2:21:37
  and you got your elites, which are susceptible to this
• 2:21:40
  drug testing and these requirements.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: And that's totally fair. And I get that.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of why I've waded into this and said,
• 2:21:46
  I'll be the poster boy for this. I'll admit that
• 2:21:49
  I took BPC-157 to try to avoid surgery on my foot.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: Two years ago, by the way. Right.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: Whatever the fallout is, is what it is because this
• 2:21:58
  needs to be discussed because I talk to all these
• 2:22:00
  regular people who are doing all this stuff just to
• 2:22:04
  be healthy, to enjoy something that they love, which is
• 2:22:06
  running or competing in races. And everybody on the other side,
• 2:22:11
  on you know, say the clean sport side, which I
• 2:22:14
  am on that side too.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: Trust me. I want to, I want.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: Clean sport, but they're like saying that like my time
• 2:22:21
  was so fast. It's almost into this. They talk about
• 2:22:25
  this age graded thing where like this guy who brought
• 2:22:28
  it up said age graded. Like, so what that, I
• 2:22:30
  think is what that looks at is like in my prime,
• 2:22:33
  if I ran a two 39 at age 58, what
• 2:22:35
  was my potential when I was in my prime?
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: And it would, it's super fast. Like, you know, like
• 2:22:42
  we're like 210 or 212, which would have won the
• 2:22:47
  Olympics back when I was 25.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: So I understand why my time is just like I'm
• 2:22:52
  almost too fast as a regular citizen to kind of
• 2:22:59
  like this gray area, like.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: Should he be tested or whatever.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: But all I'm saying, like if the rule is to
• 2:23:07
  test or if I know the rules, I'm down, dude.
• 2:23:11
  I'm all for it. That's why I've been so transparent
• 2:23:13
  about what I've taken, what I've done, and what I
• 2:23:16
  was trying to avoid with the surgery.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: But it's also an important point. I'm not hiding anything.
• 2:23:19
  There's an important point about the sign-up thing for the
• 2:23:22
  Eugene Marathon. If you're supposed to not take certain supplements,
• 2:23:28
  that's supposed to be stated in the marathon sign-up, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 2:23:32
  And it's not.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I hardly look at that. But now after
• 2:23:38
  all this, I looked at the waivers because USADA has
• 2:23:40
  been– They send me two really nice emails, just lovely
• 2:23:44
  emails that I haven't responded to. And they, they're trying
• 2:23:49
  to do the best they can. But if these waivers say,
• 2:23:54
  I looked at the waiver for, I did two races
• 2:23:56
  this year, Eugene Marathon and Cocodona 250. And the waivers
• 2:24:00
  mentioned liability and insurance things. Doesn't mention anything about USATF
• 2:24:05
  or drug testing or any of these requirements. There's no
• 2:24:09
  mention of it.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: But it's also what, The thing that doesn't make any
• 2:24:13
  sense is, first of all, BPC-157 is not a performance
• 2:24:17
  enhancing substance. It helps heal soft tissue injuries. It's very
• 2:24:21
  good for recovery from injuries. That's one issue. The other
• 2:24:25
  issue is it was two fucking years ago. There's no
• 2:24:27
  way that's affecting you in this year's Eugene Marathon. That
• 2:24:31
  is long out of your system.
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: It's a smokescreen. You know, we've talked about smokescreens here.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: Well, what he's doing is basically he's accusing you because
• 2:24:39
  you took BBC 157 and he's saying you're lying about
• 2:24:42
  doing all these other things. I've been called a liar,
• 2:24:45
  a cheater, a doper, stealing. It's like... Yeah, but it's
• 2:24:49
  all fine. But this is essentially what we were talking
• 2:24:52
  about earlier. Yeah. What we were talking about earlier about
• 2:24:54
  people that are outliers, that are like super successful and
• 2:24:56
  they go, fuck that guy, that guy cheats, that guy, this,
• 2:24:58
  that guy, that. Same fucking thing.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: This guy can't appreciate that. Here's a guy who was
• 2:25:04
  running a fucking marathon a day while working an eight
• 2:25:06
  hour job. I was your friend then. Yeah. This is real.
• 2:25:10
  I know you did this. I was always telling you
• 2:25:12
  to quit your job. Yeah. I was the first guy
• 2:25:15
  telling you quit that fucking job. You're killing yourself. I
• 2:25:18
  was worried about you because I know that your mind
• 2:25:21
  is so strong that you are willing to push your
• 2:25:24
  body to the point where it could actually fail. And
• 2:25:29
  willpower is really important. Having a strong will will get
• 2:25:34
  you through so much in life that other people will
• 2:25:37
  not be able to pass. They will not be able
• 2:25:41
  to break through. But will could also get you killed
• 2:25:45
  and it could also ruin your life. You could hurt
• 2:25:47
  yourself to the point– you hurt your back or something
• 2:25:49
  to the point where you never recover. It never comes back.
• 2:25:51
  Like you have to– there's like a fine line between
• 2:25:54
  mental toughness and just being able to see the big
• 2:25:58
  picture and go– it's actually smart to not be tough here.
• 2:26:01
  And it's not to deny my toughness. I got to
• 2:26:04
  know that I am tough and have confidence in my
• 2:26:07
  toughness enough to give my body a break and rest myself.
• 2:26:11
  That's why I was always worried about you because you
• 2:26:13
  were doing things with no fucking sleep. And I saw it.
• 2:26:16
  I know you did it. I watched. That guy's not
• 2:26:19
  doing this. And you have to understand that the kind
• 2:26:21
  of willpower that a guy like you has or a
• 2:26:23
  guy like Goggins has where they can do things and
• 2:26:25
  people go, no one can do that. The fuck they can't.
• 2:26:28
  Like how many UFC fighters have you seen go and
• 2:26:30
  train with Goggins? And they're like Israel Adesanya, world champion,
• 2:26:34
  world class guy, throwing up in a fucking garbage can,
• 2:26:37
  can't keep up with him. Tony Ferguson, like who is
• 2:26:40
  known in the MMA world for fucking superhuman endurance. Tony
• 2:26:44
  Ferguson would just walk people down in his prime. He
• 2:26:47
  was El Kukui. He was the fucking boogeyman. Because he
• 2:26:51
  never got tired. And even if you hurt him, it
• 2:26:53
  didn't matter. He was going to recover and come back
• 2:26:55
  after you. He was coming for your fucking soul. That
• 2:26:58
  guy was breaking down. Everybody breaks down. And it's. He's
• 2:27:01
  doing it in silence. No one even knows. He's doing
• 2:27:04
  it with no music. He's doing it by himself. No
• 2:27:06
  one's pushing him. He's a fucking full-on psychopath. They are real.
• 2:27:11
  There's real people out there that are really living like that.
• 2:27:15
  This guy should look at that and take inspiration from it.
• 2:27:18
  But he's got these ideological differences with you because he's
• 2:27:21
  a vegan and because he thinks hunting is cruel and
• 2:27:24
  you're an asshole and you're killing animals. Meanwhile, he needs
• 2:27:27
  to eat one of them fucking– Bear sticks are fucking delicious.
• 2:27:30
  Give me another one. I want another one. Fucking awesome.
• 2:27:34
  They're great. But it's just what we're talking about. If
• 2:27:39
  you and that guy actually had a conversation. Thank you.
• 2:27:42
  If you and that guy actually had a conversation and
• 2:27:45
  you were civil and there was no cameras and it
• 2:27:47
  was just two human beings having a conversation, I guarantee
• 2:27:51
  you probably have way more in common. then you do not.
• 2:27:55
  Outside of the ideological differences about hunting and veganism and
• 2:28:00
  maybe a lack of understanding about what even veganism entails,
• 2:28:03
  because most of it entails large-scale, monocrop agriculture. If you're
• 2:28:09
  just buying plants... You are responsible for the death of
• 2:28:13
  a fucking countless number of creatures. Yeah. Fact. End of story.
• 2:28:18
  Especially if you start talking about bees and avocados and almonds. Oh,
• 2:28:22
  I'm eating almonds. I'm healthy. You fucking killed 100 billion bees.
• 2:28:26
  All right. Stop. Yeah. Outside of that, what are you
• 2:28:30
  both doing? You're both pushing yourself to the limits of
• 2:28:34
  your ability. And maybe if that guy had a bear
• 2:28:36
  stick or two and had some real protein, he'd have
• 2:28:39
  a better time. That's true too, right? Yeah. I need
• 2:28:43
  some real fucking protein.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: I am friends with a lot of people just like
• 2:28:47
  him in belief and like on the political spectrum or
• 2:28:50
  even the diet spectrum. And it hasn't affected our friendship
• 2:28:54
  at all because what I focus on is what do
• 2:28:57
  we have in common? We love the mountains. We love
• 2:28:59
  to run. We love to push ourselves. I don't need
• 2:29:02
  to align with everybody 100%. So I'm friends with tons
• 2:29:07
  of liberal people and love them. It's like, has nothing
• 2:29:10
  to do with anything. It's a, but for, for him,
• 2:29:15
  you know, I was on the radar for a few
• 2:29:17
  different reasons. This gave him like the reason why like
• 2:29:21
  BPC one, five, seven is banned for Olympians, not for
• 2:29:25
  a regular person.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: Right. We regular people can take it. Right.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm just like, he's like, do you know what
• 2:29:30
  the rules are? And I'm like, I don't give a
• 2:29:32
  fuck about the rules. So then he turned that into like,
• 2:29:36
  he doesn't care about the rules. He's going to do everything,
• 2:29:38
  anything he wants. I'm like, no, I don't care about
• 2:29:40
  rules that don't apply to me. I'm just like, whatever.
• 2:29:44
  So the rules that apply to me are, is this rule.
• 2:29:48
  And it's like, if you want to talk about rules,
• 2:29:50
  I follow the rules. Like I talked about purchasing, you know,
• 2:29:54
  when I was the, the buyer at my old job
• 2:29:57
  for 20 years, I had to go by laws and
• 2:29:59
  rules every day. And, So I respect that if it
• 2:30:04
  has to do with me. If it affects me, I'm like, okay,
• 2:30:07
  I understand it. Well, this one, you start bringing up
• 2:30:10
  these USATF sanctions and what I need to know when
• 2:30:13
  I sign a waiver for a race and I look
• 2:30:15
  at the waiver and the waiver doesn't mention anything about this.
• 2:30:18
  This says if the USATF sanctioned event is, you know,
• 2:30:22
  if we're talking drug testing, it says related published materials
• 2:30:27
  must contain the following language. So When I see that
• 2:30:31
  it says that must contain the following language, in my
• 2:30:34
  contract days, I'm like, well, that didn't say should or
• 2:30:40
  it didn't say may because should and may means it
• 2:30:44
  doesn't have to.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: When it says must, it must. So it says it
• 2:30:50
  must say this.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: Athlete who participate in this competition may be subjected to
• 2:30:57
  formal drug testing in accordance with blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 2:31:00
  So Basically, it has to have this language and it
• 2:31:03
  has to spell out exactly what it is. Their rules,
• 2:31:07
  their own rules say it must be included. I've never
• 2:31:10
  seen this language. It was never included in anything that
• 2:31:13
  I've agreed to with these in regard to these races.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: So there's no responsibility to go to the website and
• 2:31:18
  find out what the standards are.
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: No, if they had the waiver, even if they had
• 2:31:22
  a link like.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 2: OK, right. So if they said if you are going
• 2:31:25
  to race, you must be held to the standards of
• 2:31:27
  this race. Right. you can go visit them on this website.
• 2:31:30
  That's fine. I would be like, Oh, that was my bad.
• 2:31:32
  I didn't do that.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 1: Right. They never mentioned it. So if somebody said like,
• 2:31:36
  I didn't know BPC was banned for Olympians at all
• 2:31:39
  before this, I just thought that it was another, maybe
• 2:31:42
  you could get a TUE for, or I didn't even
• 2:31:44
  know what TUE was, but because I just, it's not
• 2:31:48
  my world. My world is bow hunting. I just try
• 2:31:51
  to get in as good shape as I can.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: You're not trying to do it for money.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: No, I've never won money. I've never been on a
• 2:31:56
  national team. If I wanted to be, if that was
• 2:32:00
  what I was going to do, I would know everything
• 2:32:02
  about the rules, everything about what I could take or
• 2:32:04
  what I couldn't take. I mean, you can't take THC,
• 2:32:08
  you know, I mean, they say you can take it,
• 2:32:10
  but not on the day of competition. So you know
• 2:32:13
  how long THC is in your system.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: So you took it the day before, but you didn't,
• 2:32:17
  but you're still going to test hospital run high.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: But, but as long as that lasts in your system,
• 2:32:23
  how are they going to prove if you took it
• 2:32:25
  that morning?
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: Well, they would have to be able to test your
• 2:32:28
  levels right after you race and they could determine whether
• 2:32:30
  or not you actually intoxicated during the race. That's how
• 2:32:34
  Nick Diaz got popped. Oh, really? Takanori Gomi. They said
• 2:32:38
  his fucking levels were off the charts.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 1: And that was, you saw that probably.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: I don't believe it was. I believe that was, I
• 2:32:46
  think that was Pride. And I think it was the
• 2:32:48
  first time that Pride had an event in the United
• 2:32:50
  States and they had it in Vegas, I believe. See
• 2:32:52
  if that's right. It was a long time ago. I
• 2:32:55
  want to say this is, I want to say like 2005.
• 2:32:59
  It was a big win when Nick beat Takanori Gomi.
• 2:33:02
  Takanori Gomi was one of the big stars over in Pride.
• 2:33:06
  And Nick, he got him with a go-go plato, which
• 2:33:09
  is a crazy submission off your back. You use the
• 2:33:12
  shin against the guy's neck and you're grabbing your foot
• 2:33:14
  from behind his head. It was nasty. But they said
• 2:33:18
  he was off the charts. They said he was as
• 2:33:20
  high as a kite when he was fighting, which I
• 2:33:22
  fucking love. But you're not allowed to do that. And
• 2:33:25
  I think for good reasons. I don't think you should
• 2:33:27
  be allowed. But look, the reality of these drug tests
• 2:33:35
  are is that if you're saying to a person that
• 2:33:38
  you can't take it the day of the competition– And
• 2:33:42
  they're a regular user. They're going to have a lot
• 2:33:45
  of THC in their system. Right. They just are. And also,
• 2:33:49
  you could take a very high dose of edibles the
• 2:33:53
  day before a race, and you would still be intoxicated
• 2:33:55
  the day of the race. So what year was this? Apparently,
• 2:34:02
  the commission felt the level which Diaz tested at 175
• 2:34:06
  was a considering factor in his performance during the fight. Dr.
• 2:34:09
  Tony Alamo, the commission's chair, said that, so it was Nevada,
• 2:34:13
  a result of 15 is considered positive. But Nevada State
• 2:34:18
  Athletic Commission has a threshold of 50, test positive for THC.
• 2:34:22
  They feel very comfortable that everybody that tests positive in
• 2:34:25
  Nevada is truly positive. Mr. Diaz was 175. This creates
• 2:34:29
  a unique situation. I was there at the fight. I
• 2:34:32
  believe you were intoxicated and that it made you numb
• 2:34:35
  to the pain. Did it help you win? I think
• 2:34:37
  it did. I don't. You know, listen, Diaz is going
• 2:34:42
  to be numb to the pain anyway. He's one of
• 2:34:44
  the toughest fucking dudes that's ever lived. Yeah. I don't
• 2:34:46
  know if you can make that argument that it helped
• 2:34:48
  you win. I think it probably relaxed him. He likes it.
• 2:34:52
  You know, he probably could go out there high and
• 2:34:54
  fight more in his element, but he could fight in
• 2:34:56
  his element anyway. He was one of the best fighters
• 2:34:59
  on earth at the time. He's a world-class fighter. The
• 2:35:02
  idea that that helped him win is like, prove it.
• 2:35:05
  Prove it. He was beating everybody anyway. It's a stretch.
• 2:35:07
  It's a stretch.
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: It's like I just don't think that we need to
• 2:35:10
  be opening the Pandora's box to testing 9000 people or
• 2:35:13
  having them, you know, like.
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also be realistic about what you're saying, because
• 2:35:18
  what you're saying is if all you did was take
• 2:35:21
  that drug, it's not even a drug. Take that peptide
• 2:35:25
  in 2024 for a broken foot. There is no fucking
• 2:35:29
  chance that helped you win a marathon two years later.
• 2:35:35
  It does not help other than the fact that it helped.
• 2:35:38
  To heal your broken foot. That's not performance enhancing. It's
• 2:35:42
  just not. This guy's kind of a hater. Not even
• 2:35:45
  kind of. He's a hater. Which I understand.
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I admitted that I took it. And it's like,
• 2:35:51
  at that, and actually that night, I remember, I didn't
• 2:35:54
  even know when that was. I fucking can't remember when
• 2:35:58
  I go, went to Ways to Well. I thought it
• 2:36:01
  was like six months ago.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even fucking remember.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 1: So then I got a hold of him. I said, no,
• 2:36:05
  I need the details of my treatment. And it was
• 2:36:09
  in November of 2024. And I'm like, okay. But anyway,
• 2:36:13
  that night I said, yeah, I've done stem cell. I've
• 2:36:16
  done TRT before and mentioned BPC-157. And it's like, I
• 2:36:21
  didn't know when that was, but I just kind of,
• 2:36:23
  because he was like coming at me, I'm just like, no.
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: Fuck off.
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, I do all this. I don't know whether
• 2:36:27
  it's approved or not. It has nothing to do with me.
• 2:36:29
  I'm not an elite athlete. I'm a fucking bow hunter.
• 2:36:32
  So I was like, kind of wanted to just shit
• 2:36:37
  on him at that time. Well, he got what he
• 2:36:40
  needed because admitting to taking BPC for like Olympian is
• 2:36:44
  a huge deal because it's banned just for them, not
• 2:36:48
  for me. And that, then he could go to USADA
• 2:36:51
  and say, oh, this guy took a ban and they're,
• 2:36:54
  you know, now they're like, it sucks. It's like, they're
• 2:36:57
  in a position where, I don't know. It's just like
• 2:37:00
  so much, the public knows about it so much. It's like,
• 2:37:03
  you know, I got, articles about me and talking about
• 2:37:06
  all this crazy shit. And I'm just like, I was
• 2:37:09
  just trying to not have two or three surgeries. It's
• 2:37:11
  just like, I'm not trying to win a fucking, the,
• 2:37:14
  my age category of marathon. And then they'll turn it
• 2:37:17
  into like, well, that's not fair to the other people
• 2:37:20
  who are, are performing clean. I was just like, it's not,
• 2:37:24
  we don't even know who's, what people are taking. I
• 2:37:27
  was like, I'm not even in this field of this
• 2:37:29
  elite field where this is all I did was admit
• 2:37:32
  I was truthful.
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 2: Everybody else just lies. Yeah. Well, maybe, maybe lies, maybe doesn't.
• 2:37:39
  But the, the, the point is a giant percentage of
• 2:37:42
  people right now are taking peptides because they're very beneficial
• 2:37:45
  to help heal injuries and, And if you're going to
• 2:37:47
  run marathons like the way you run them with very
• 2:37:50
  fast times, you're probably training really hard. If you're training
• 2:37:53
  really hard, you're probably going to get injured. Yeah. But
• 2:37:57
  it's a hater thing is what it is. Or he's
• 2:38:00
  accusing you of lying, which I know you're not a liar.
• 2:38:03
  So this is the thing. He's attacking your character. But
• 2:38:08
  it's also the fact that, you know, that quote that
• 2:38:11
  I love, all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs.
• 2:38:15
  This guy's an elite athlete. No one knows who he is. Yeah.
• 2:38:17
  You know, that's part of the problem. Yeah. And then
• 2:38:19
  when someone who's very popular is creeping in on his times, like,
• 2:38:23
  that's like, how? How's that possible? He's 18 years older
• 2:38:26
  than me. Fuck this guy. No one ever wants to
• 2:38:28
  think that someone actually works harder than them. No, no. Or, yeah,
• 2:38:31
  I mean, and I get that.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a human, too. I understand how that
• 2:38:35
  can happen. But, like, to call me, like, a doper
• 2:38:40
  trying to discredit everything I've done, it's just like, it's
• 2:38:44
  so unfair.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: Not even real. I think the approach to use is
• 2:38:49
  to just be honest, lay it all out, and leave
• 2:38:51
  it alone. I don't think going after this guy and
• 2:38:55
  talking a lot of shit is in any way beneficial.
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: I want everyone to succeed. I don't have anything personal
• 2:39:02
  against this guy. I didn't like he was talking shit
• 2:39:05
  about Truett.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 2: But even that, it's just haterade. He just sees Truett
• 2:39:10
  running with those fucking perfect jeans on and looking all handsome.
• 2:39:14
  He's also a little too buff to be a marathon runner,
• 2:39:16
  which drives people nuts too. Yeah. And then he also
• 2:39:18
  won the world pull-up challenge. Like, look, when someone breaks
• 2:39:22
  the world record at pull-ups, that is a fucking extraordinary
• 2:39:25
  human being, period. And for you to discredit that person
• 2:39:27
  in marathon running after they've done that, well, you're a fool.
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 2: Because this isn't just a regular person, right? This is
• 2:39:33
  a person who broke the world fucking record. For chin-ups
• 2:39:37
  or pull-ups.
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 2: That's a crazy thing to do. Yeah. To do thousands
• 2:39:43
  of pull-ups in 24 hours. Rip your fucking hands to shreds. Yeah.
• 2:39:47
  That's an extraordinary person. For him to not recognize that,
• 2:39:50
  he's being a bitch. Yeah. Which is fine. It's a
• 2:39:55
  natural characteristic that a lot of human beings have. Yeah.
• 2:39:58
  And especially ones that are not getting their needs met
• 2:40:01
  in terms of the attention they feel they deserve. And
• 2:40:03
  who are ideologically opposed to you because you're a hunter.
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 1: The traction he's got is because it's almost like if
• 2:40:10
  you say, you know how some people would say, oh,
• 2:40:13
  you're interested in border security, like protecting the border.
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 2: Racist. Right. Racist.
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 1: You're a Nazi. Right.
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: You're a cheater.
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 1: So to say that I'm a cheater or a doper,
• 2:40:23
  you don't have to say anything else because it's like, oh,
• 2:40:26
  that guy. So now I'm kind of tainted by with
• 2:40:29
  that language. When the fact of the matter is, this
• 2:40:32
  is years ago. I don't take any, I mean, I
• 2:40:36
  take plenty like fish oil, magnesium, all this other bullshit
• 2:40:40
  Trace gives me. But like the level of doping I
• 2:40:45
  know about, I don't know shit. I don't even, I
• 2:40:47
  don't know EP. I know we've talked about this before,
• 2:40:50
  but I don't even know really what EPO does other
• 2:40:52
  than make like more red blood cells or something.
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: So there's more oxygen.
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 1: But I'm so like illiterate on performance and like PEDs,
• 2:41:02
  I'm just like, I don't, I don't even take testosterone
• 2:41:06
  anymore because I run better low, which is weird. And
• 2:41:11
  I didn't know if this happened because they say when
• 2:41:14
  you run like long distances, like extreme long distances, your
• 2:41:18
  testosterone drops. I almost think that's by design because I
• 2:41:22
  look at like how these women have been performing at
• 2:41:24
  these huge races with low testosterone and higher estrogen and
• 2:41:28
  they perform better. And so I'm just like, man, maybe
• 2:41:32
  I don't need the TRT.
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 1: And so I haven't, like I had, I had, I
• 2:41:37
  got a prescription filled like last September and I still
• 2:41:40
  have four of the things out of 10. And, anybody
• 2:41:45
  who's a doper, they don't got dope sitting around. Like
• 2:41:48
  if you had, you know, if I don't care if
• 2:41:50
  it's meth or fucking testosterone, if you have it, you
• 2:41:53
  take it if you're a doper.
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 1: So I haven't done it because I'm, I operate better
• 2:41:59
  with a low heart rate, low testosterone, and I can run.
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 2: But low body weight too. That's a big factor. Yeah.
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like 148 is what I got down to.
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 2: What are you right now? Like 52. Wow. When I
• 2:42:11
  met you, you were in the eighties. Yeah. Yeah, I
• 2:42:14
  was just lifting.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 1: I always ran, but I'd run like five miles a day.
• 2:42:17
  And I wanted to be like, I thought like for hunting,
• 2:42:21
  I needed more muscle to perform.
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 2: Because I need to carry heavy.
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 1: Loads and things like that. Now I've realized that I'm
• 2:42:28
  better with extreme endurance and I'm still strong for like 148,
• 2:42:34
  still very strong compared to like a normal 148.
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 2: So I'm still able to do.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: The task I need to do, carry heavy loads when
• 2:42:42
  I kill.
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 2: You've optimized. Yeah. Well, the big factor is the weight
• 2:42:46
  because I'm pretty heavy. Yeah. And I notice the difference.
• 2:42:51
  Like I've lost– when I hunted a few years back,
• 2:42:54
  I got down to the 190s, early– like 192 or
• 2:42:59
  193 and I felt way lighter. Yeah. Like you would
• 2:43:01
  think 10 pounds because I weighed 202 this morning. You
• 2:43:05
  would think 10 pounds is not that big of a deal.
• 2:43:07
  It's a big deal. Yeah, it's a big deal. When
• 2:43:08
  I work out– and I put a 25-pound weight vest on,
• 2:43:12
  it's amazing how much harder it is to do chin-ups
• 2:43:14
  and push-ups and dips. It's amazing. And it's only 25 pounds.
• 2:43:18
  And you think about how many people just normally carry
• 2:43:21
  25 extra pounds. You're walking around all day with a
• 2:43:24
  weight vest on.
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 1: Well, and I've told Drew this too. It's like he's heavier,
• 2:43:29
  but every guy lining up to run the Olympic trials
• 2:43:34
  qualifier or like when they run the Olympic trials for
• 2:43:36
  the marathon, there won't be anybody over like 140 pounds.
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 2: So I said, which totally makes sense. You're fighting gravity.
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta be light. Yeah.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 1: So I said, you can't be one 60 and compete.
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 2: What is he at now? He's like 58. And what
• 2:43:52
  is he trying to get down to? He's gotta be
• 2:43:53
  in the forties. Gotta be like one 40. It'd be good.
• 2:43:56
  Oh my God. He's going to look like Skeletor.
• 2:43:57
  Speaker 1: The guy, the guy who I just ran with, who
• 2:44:00
  ran Eugene and set the course record and all that.
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 2: He was one 35.
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 1: It's probably like six one.
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 1: That's just the name of the game, right? You like,
• 2:44:09
  the East African super light, the guy who just broke
• 2:44:11
  the world record of the marathon. He's like one 35
• 2:44:14
  or no, no one 15.
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 2: Jeez.
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 1: Tiny little guy.
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 2: So it's like, makes sense.
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 1: That's just, that's just performance. Right. That's just what it tastes.
• 2:44:22
  A huge engine, a light body.
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 1: And, uh, so like to, to, to pay me this
• 2:44:29
  way when I was turning avoidance surgery, haven't taken BPC
• 2:44:34
  since then.
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 2: Um, it's just, It's kind of just– I think all
• 2:44:38
  you can do is state your case and I think
• 2:44:40
  you just did and you just did it really well.
• 2:44:42
  And I know you and I can speak for you.
• 2:44:44
  You are as honest a human being as I've ever
• 2:44:46
  met in my life. You don't lie about anything. And
• 2:44:49
  you are– and it's also why you work so hard.
• 2:44:52
  You work so hard so you don't have to lie.
• 2:44:54
  I mean you're an insanely hard worker.
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't lie about this either. I mean that's what–
• 2:44:59
  I just said, yeah, I did. I didn't remember when
• 2:45:02
  but looked it up.
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 2: Here's when it was. Whatever. This guy has got to
• 2:45:05
  get over it. Maybe you should have a conversation with
• 2:45:07
  him on Keep Hammering Collective.
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't– I would talk to anybody. I
• 2:45:12
  don't– I talk to people who feel differently than me
• 2:45:15
  all the time.
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 2: People– there's also a problem where people don't know someone
• 2:45:20
  and they don't communicate with them. And so you kind
• 2:45:22
  of form a narrative and then you fight that narrative.
• 2:45:25
  You attack that narrative. You attack a creation of who
• 2:45:28
  the person is rather than the actual person. And people
• 2:45:31
  like to do that because they like to turn someone
• 2:45:33
  into a demon. They like to turn someone into not
• 2:45:36
  even a person. That's how people have to do that
• 2:45:38
  with war. They love to do that with religion.
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 1: It's easy to garner support with keywords. Using keywords that
• 2:45:46
  nobody could defend would be like, okay, we got– that
• 2:45:49
  will work right there. And so that's where the Nazi
• 2:45:52
  or the doper or the racist, that's.
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 2: Why those words are always out there. It's like because
• 2:45:57
  they're powerful.
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly. That's exactly.
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 1: And when, and when you, you know, when you get
• 2:46:01
  boxed in a corner, you can use those words and
• 2:46:04
  it buys you some time.
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that. And then there's also, you know, there's
• 2:46:09
  a lot of people that don't have a good personal insight.
• 2:46:12
  They don't understand what they're doing. Really. They think they're
• 2:46:15
  justified in what they're doing. Really. It's just a bunch
• 2:46:17
  of bitchy bullshit.
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 1: One thing that I did, I think part of this, um, I,
• 2:46:22
  I don't want to be demonized about like with the
• 2:46:25
  peptides because it shouldn't be demonized, but One thing I
• 2:46:28
  think a lot of people, because as you said, a
• 2:46:31
  lot of people are taking these peptides. A lot of
• 2:46:32
  people are doing the TRT stuff. I think that there
• 2:46:36
  was a big shift when COVID happened as far as
• 2:46:39
  distrust in the health. I mean, basically our health and
• 2:46:45
  wellness category, like it started maybe with Obamacare. People are
• 2:46:50
  having trouble getting in their doctor. Doctors quit because it's
• 2:46:53
  too frustrating. So people, we've had a hard time getting
• 2:46:56
  medical treatment, like to be healthy. And then COVID happened
• 2:46:59
  and then they were shoving down, you know, the vaccine
• 2:47:01
  down our throats and turned out like it wasn't as
• 2:47:03
  safe and effective as they said. So I think people
• 2:47:06
  like they see that the writing was on the wall.
• 2:47:08
  They couldn't get in their doctor. The doctor was like
• 2:47:11
  just writing prescriptions. So then the wellness clinics popped up.
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 1: And it feels like it was after COVID for now,
• 2:47:18
  like you got a ways to well, and there's other
• 2:47:20
  places like it where you can go in and they
• 2:47:22
  care about how you feel. They want you to, they
• 2:47:25
  want to help you feel better, like live like an
• 2:47:27
  optimized life.
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 2: Like you're old, but you don't have to feel old.
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 1: And so they're like, they can do the blood panel
• 2:47:33
  where getting a blood plan all at your regular doctor
• 2:47:36
  was like pulling teeth for a while.
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, we don't need to do that.
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 1: But you go to a wellness clinic, they'll do it
• 2:47:42
  and they'll tell you, yeah, you're deficient here, this, this, that.
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 2: We could add this. We could try this.
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you start to feel
• 2:47:48
  better and you're like, well, these people care about my health.
• 2:47:51
  The doctor, what did he care about? Writing prescriptions.
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 2: The doctors, they're playing a totally different game as we
• 2:47:57
  could see from that hospital video that we just watched.
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 1: So it's no wonder that Ways to Well is And
• 2:48:02
  like these other treatments, maybe bypassing surgery and let's try
• 2:48:07
  this peptide. I see that it's kind of evolving and
• 2:48:11
  it's changing. And the sport of ultra needs to also
• 2:48:15
  and running needs to be on board with that because
• 2:48:18
  most of your field aren't elites and aren't Olympians.
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 1: They're regular people who just are trying to do what
• 2:48:24
  they enjoy.
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 2: And that's me. While they're working a full-time job, most
• 2:48:27
  of them. Yeah. Well, I think you laid your case
• 2:48:29
  out and I got to pee. So let's wrap this
• 2:48:31
  bad boy up and bring it home. Congratulations on your
• 2:48:34
  bear hunt. You got two giant monsters.
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 2: We got John and Jen. Yeah. Shout out to John
• 2:48:40
  and Jen Rivett. Yeah. I'm going to try to come
• 2:48:42
  next year. Love those guys. Love those guys. I love
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  that place they have up there, too. It's crazy. And
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  for people who don't know, these bear have no natural
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  predators other than grizzlies. They have to be controlled. They
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  are devastating the moose and deer population. And elk population
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  up there because they kill all the calves. They're ruthless predators,
• 2:49:05
  opportunistic hunters. They eat each other.
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  Speaker 1: Just to put that in perspective, in Alaska, they're flying
• 2:49:10
  out of helicopters shooting bear.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because not enough are getting killed, so they wipe out
• 2:49:16
  all the ungulates.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like it's an issue. You just don't know
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  about it. People don't know that Alaska is flying in helicopters,
• 2:49:23
  leaving bear after they kill them.
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  Speaker 2: I know. And everybody thinks of bears as yogi. Yogi
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  and Boo Boo and, you know, come for a trip.
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  Take a trip to Alberta. I'll show you some real shit. Yeah. Yeah.
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  I remember when, you know, I've told this story, you know,
• 2:49:39
  Jen and I ran into a grizzly once when we
• 2:49:41
  were out there just briefly. We only saw it briefly.
• 2:49:44
  We were like, let's get the fuck out of here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They don't even hunt over there anymore because too many grizzlies.
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  Speaker 2: So that's like. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That's quite a ways from where we hunt now just because.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 1: A grizzly starts coming in the bait. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a problem. You got to get out of there.
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 1: Especially, I like to sit on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: And they need to start hunting them up there too.
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  They do. I know. And, you know, this is the,
• 2:50:03
  when they changed that law in BC, they made it
• 2:50:05
  a fucking disaster up there. There's so many grizzly now. Yeah.
• 2:50:08
  And it's just the people that live in these high
• 2:50:10
  population areas that don't have any encounters with them. And
• 2:50:14
  it's ballot box biology. It's people that, they're trying to
• 2:50:17
  be good people. Do you want to outlaw trophy hunting?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: These cruel assholes, they just want to shoot this animal
• 2:50:21
  for its skin. Yeah, fuck them. They just want to
• 2:50:25
  show what a big man they are by killing an animal?
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 1: That guy calls me a trophy hunter. He's like, oh,
• 2:50:31
  I understand deer and elk hunting, but not bear.
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 2: Well, you don't know what you're talking about. How is
• 2:50:35
  that bear? It's delicious.
• 2:50:36
  Speaker 1: How is that any different than deer and elk?
• 2:50:38
  Speaker 2: My daughter went to school one day, and they were
• 2:50:41
  asking what your favorite food was, and she said bear candy.
• 2:50:43
  Because Steve Rinella taught me a recipe called bear candy.
• 2:50:48
  How to make this like– it's like you make it
• 2:50:50
  with brown sugar and you cook this bear and it's
• 2:50:52
  like a sweet and sour pork kind of deal. But
• 2:50:54
  with bear, it was fucking delicious and I served it
• 2:50:57
  for my kids and my daughter. I think she was
• 2:51:00
  just trying to like jostle people up a little bit.
• 2:51:03
  I ate bear.
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 1: Well, Jen makes some badass bear stir fry.
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's fantastic. Her bear meat is fantastic.
• 2:51:10
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking to myself, Mountain Ops has those
• 2:51:12
  new freeze-dried meals.
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe I need to get some. Right, dehydrated or something.
• 2:51:16
  Speaker 1: Get some bear meat in there.
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because those things are good. Remy makes his own food.
• 2:51:20
  He does it all in a dehydrator, then rehydrates it
• 2:51:22
  in camp. He vacuum seals his own stuff.
• 2:51:25
  Speaker 1: Some of those meals, dude.
• 2:51:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the best way to do it too if
• 2:51:28
  you want to eat clean. If you want to eat
• 2:51:30
  clean in the mountains, you can get a dehydrator. For
• 2:51:32
  that energy.
• 2:51:33
  Speaker 1: Because just like in ultras and performing, what you're using
• 2:51:37
  for calories matters.
• 2:51:38
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 2:51:38
  Speaker 1: So especially on a long hunt, if you can– like
• 2:51:41
  we had– I had some Mountain Ops freeze dried in
• 2:51:44
  there like Chicken Alfredo.
• 2:51:46
  Speaker 2: That's just fucking good calories. 100%. And also electrolytes. Boy,
• 2:51:52
  it changed for me when I started using Element, when
• 2:51:54
  I started throwing Element in my water when I was
• 2:51:56
  out there. Giant difference. Get those electrolytes.
• 2:51:59
  Speaker 1: That's the first thing I drink in the morning is
• 2:52:02
  an element.
• 2:52:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:52:03
  Speaker 1: Because I know I'm– because I run every day. I
• 2:52:05
  know– I think I've been also like low on sodium
• 2:52:09
  for a long time just because of how much I run.
• 2:52:11
  Speaker 2: For sure. Like I run so much.
• 2:52:13
  Speaker 1: Like I get sores here because my shirt gets soaked
• 2:52:16
  with sweat. And wet clothes sitting on my skin makes
• 2:52:21
  all these sores. from running for hours in a wet shirt.
• 2:52:25
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. I know guys wear their nipples out. They
• 2:52:28
  have to put band-aids. I wear like a bra.
• 2:52:34
  Speaker 1: It's like a little running pack, but it holds my
• 2:52:36
  shirt right there on my tits. But this here bounces
• 2:52:39
  and it's like just being wet.
• 2:52:41
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. It makes sores on your skin just from
• 2:52:44
  a t-shirt. It does.
• 2:52:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe you should start running in silk. Just from being warm.
• 2:52:49
  But I think that I was sweating so much that
• 2:52:52
  when I do that element first thing in the morning,
• 2:52:55
  it sets me up for the whole day to be
• 2:52:58
  able to perform at a higher level.
• 2:52:59
  Speaker 2: Even just some sea salt in your water. You need minerals.
• 2:53:03
  Everybody does need electrolytes. All right. Let's wrap it up.
• 2:53:07
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 2:53:07
  Speaker 2: All right, buddy. My brother, I love you to death.
• 2:53:09
  Love you too. You're awesome. Glad you had an opportunity
• 2:53:11
  to come on here. And this is all very important
• 2:53:13
  stuff to talk about. And one more time, that number
• 2:53:15
  for everybody. I want to call that number. I know.
• 2:53:18
  Speaker 1: Call your centers.
• 2:53:23
  Speaker 2: 202-234-3121.
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 1: Say, roadless rule needs to stay intact. Mike Lee can
• 2:53:27
  suck a big fat one.
• 2:53:29
  Speaker 2: America, fuck yeah. Bye, everybody. Bye.