Latest / Non-Toxic Living / Is Mold Is Making You Sick? Dr. Peter Osborne on Hidden Home Toxins

Transcript

Is Mold Is Making You Sick? Dr. Peter Osborne on Hidden Home Toxins · Non-Toxic Living

• 0:00
  So what are the three areas of a home that are most likely to have mold?
• 0:03
  Behind a dishwasher is a common one because the leak will be subtle. Under a sink, bathrooms,
• 0:11
  of course, are always going to be a source of moisture because of hot showers. What people should
• 0:15
  really do is look for chloroxides not kill mold. Yeah, it's not what you want to use from all
• 0:20
  radiation. Mold a super resilient and you're not going to kill it with fungicides or chemicals
• 0:26
  like decon, not non-effectively. You don't want to try to have some company come out and spray
• 0:32
  some type of anti-funkel fog. If your goal is to get rid of the mold, you remove the mold. You
• 0:38
  don't kill it. Mold is not your enemy. Mold is doing its job. Unfortunately, you're housed
• 0:44
  something's wrong and that's it's your cue to fix that. But you're not going to kill the mold
• 0:48
  by fogging it. You're just going to make it more volatile. You're going to make it release more
• 0:52
  microtoxins because you're just going to frankly piss it off and it's going to try to protect
• 0:56
  itself just like you would if somebody came in and tried to rob you. What are three things
• 1:01
  they can do to feel better after being mold sick? Number one.
• 1:09
  Dr. Peter, welcome to non-tops of living podcast. We've known each other a long time. You've
• 1:15
  have an amazing journey of healing, of hope, getting sick again,
• 1:19
  loss. You spin through a lie. From that, you have so much wisdom, so much love to help others.
• 1:27
  I want you to share that with everyone here today and let's start with a few of your stories.
• 1:33
  You've been through so many challenges and I really want to use those challenges and share it
• 1:37
  with people so that they can have hope and experience the transformation. They deserve special
• 1:43
  when it comes to the topic of mold, mold illness. A lot of these other chronic diseases that are
• 1:49
  just ruining lives and it really shouldn't have to be that way. Yeah, mold is the tough one.
• 1:57
  My family was in mold for a couple of years before we realized it was mold. It was creating
• 2:03
  the illness. The first thing that really happened that really cut us to a major problem was our
• 2:10
  dog died, our little yorky. It's our family dog. Her name was Maggi. What happened at first was
• 2:21
  she was a major foodie. That was the way you could train her. You could give her a treat and
• 2:25
  she wouldn't slip over playdead all the things. She just didn't want to eat. She's really
• 2:32
  non-responsive to treats, to food. A lot of times she'd throw her food up. It'd take her to the
• 2:39
  vet and want to do exploratory. You're not exploring on my dog. But so her appetite just
• 2:48
  kind of caving in. It wasn't much longer after that. She started when she was walking around.
• 2:53
  She started bumping into walls and just her vision was going in very rapidly. Then it wasn't
• 3:01
  long after that. It was lost her. That was our first clue. She was an airy in the community.
• 3:10
  Then simultaneously, but not as aggressively, my wife was just tired. Just tired.
• 3:20
  Our background and with our family, for example, we've reached. We're healthy. We eat well.
• 3:24
  All the things anyone's ever heard me say in any of my videos or any of my books or anything
• 3:29
  else, we practice it. But she was on the couch. She didn't struggle to get up. She struggled to
• 3:35
  get off the couch. Her memory started to go. We would try to have conversations. I was trying
• 3:42
  to guess what the word was going to be. She knew the word. She just couldn't get it to her lips.
• 3:48
  So frustrating. It was really hard on our relationship. Ultimately, she just didn't want to be alive
• 3:55
  anymore. That was at the peak of mold for her or symptom-wise. She wasn't suicidal. She was
• 4:04
  aesthetic. She was like, why are we here? What's it for? My son had rashes. Just pop up all
• 4:11
  over his body. He would run random fevers for no reason, or not for no reason. But for no,
• 4:17
  a discernible reason, discernible reason as to why. Then I was super tired. I mean, I'm up
• 4:24
  4.35 a.m. guy. I was struggling to get out of bed at 7.7.30. I gained weight. I had
• 4:33
  cherry angioma, little cherry dots popping up all over my skin. I would just get real weepy.
• 4:40
  I would just cry, I don't know, or for no reason. You're reminding me of all the symptoms
• 4:47
  of moan illness that I had. It's making me emotional. Just remembering, just crying for no reason.
• 4:55
  My gosh. I don't think everybody knows, but you taught functional medicine doctors on how to
• 5:02
  help mold sick patients. You knew this information, and you still got a moldy house. It still got
• 5:09
  you. It doesn't discriminate on the amount of knowledge and wisdom you have. It's still a silent
• 5:16
  killer in your home. It even affected somebody who got past somebody who knows. I would consider
• 5:24
  you an expert in mold illness, and you probably helped so many people get their houses remediated,
• 5:29
  and it was hiding in your walls. But continue with the knife twisting into my heart, because it's
• 5:36
  so sad. To me, because I remember those feelings, and I know that people listening have
• 5:42
  those same feelings in it, it does destroy marriages. I did a docu-series home sick home,
• 5:47
  which you know about with Dr. Pedram, and you can see in both the homes that we did the docu-series,
• 5:53
  they pretty much, there were some of them were kind of still fighting on it, and then some of them
• 5:57
  were also admitting like we had to separate, but it was the mold in the house that was destroying
• 6:03
  the nervous system that was making them reactive, and then one is not as sick as the other, and
• 6:09
  the bottom falls out, and it was literally not a bad marriage. It was a sick home. Yeah, for sure,
• 6:16
  it has its way on the mind, you know, it's a neurotoxin. In our home, it was in the home,
• 6:22
  we just built it when we found mold the first time, and it was an ice maker. It was improperly
• 6:30
  connected, and so it was leaking into the floor, and it had a tremendous amount of mold growing in
• 6:36
  like a pony wall. That was found relatively quick. We didn't, nobody got sick at that point,
• 6:44
  but that was our first kind of obvious water damage to the home, but that first year we had,
• 6:52
  was this a new home? Brand new? Brand new homes are not immune. As a matter of fact, I would
• 6:58
  argue that brand new homes are probably more problematic and say homes built in the 80s,
• 7:03
  and simply because quality of labor, quality of workmanship, you had better quality in those days
• 7:12
  than you do now. It was a local contractor. It wasn't a big, you know, corporate home company
• 7:17
  who had a reputation in town to build nice homes. It wasn't these big builders that just stamp out
• 7:22
  homes. No, it was a custom home building. How did you get a custom home building? Yeah. Yeah, it was
• 7:28
  we got some land and we have a farm, and so this was kind of what we, the dream, we were
• 7:35
  wanting. It was our dream. At first year, we had probably close to a dozen calls in on the HVAC
• 7:44
  system, because it just wouldn't cool. It wouldn't heat properly. It wouldn't cool properly,
• 7:49
  but ultimately it wouldn't dehumidify properly. So what happened in our house was all the construction
• 7:58
  defects led to an accumulation of moisture. There's no, aside from the lice maker, it was predominantly
• 8:05
  aerosolized moisture. So it wasn't like obvious pipe leaks, that kind of thing. But the HVAC system
• 8:12
  was so botched that it couldn't keep up with the humidity and their solution to that was to lie
• 8:19
  to us and to adjust the humidity digitally so that it looked like it was below 55%.
• 8:27
  And so basically the line, we didn't find that out until later when we had forensic analysis
• 8:33
  done, we brought in our own HVAC experts to of them just to get two differing opinions that matched.
• 8:40
  And then we brought in a forensic architect and a forensic building guy who they did
• 8:47
  deconstruction on different aspects of the home to try to discern why the mold grew. And honestly,
• 8:54
  it grew for every reason that mold could grow, they made mistakes. So think of it as the death
• 9:00
  by a thousand cuts. Every corner you could cut that would allow for moisture penetration into the
• 9:04
  home pretty much happened with our build. I think it was God, honestly. You know, prior,
• 9:13
  prior to experiencing mold, I actually prayed that God would quit sending chronically
• 9:19
  mold sick patients to my clinic because they're tough. They're tough cases for many reasons,
• 9:25
  mostly psychological ones. You know, people don't want to believe that mold is the problem.
• 9:30
  People don't want to believe their house is killing them. Yeah, it is tough. You know, you get the
• 9:35
  whole, the whole psychology game and some types of people are offended. You know, they're good house
• 9:39
  keepers or good house cleaners, but they, they think mold is dirty. Yeah. And so then they take
• 9:44
  offense. There's just a thousand scenarios at the end. And when it's mold and it's your home sick,
• 9:50
  it's the very sanctuary of psychology in America. You have your little, little home and it's your
• 9:54
  safety. And that's kind of on purpose with the psychology of building America is getting the
• 10:01
  homes. And if you take that away from someone, it's the psychological belief. It's almost like
• 10:09
  if you're a medical doctor realizing that, hey, maybe the medications I'm putting people on,
• 10:14
  right, are actually hurting and not helping. If you're a dentist and you're putting
• 10:17
  your mark in your mouth and feelings in and to believe that those actually are poisoned and
• 10:21
  they are, it's a fact. And it's why they're banned in other countries. And if I stick a meter
• 10:25
  in your mouth, you know, it's like, it's a fact, but they don't want to believe it because it,
• 10:30
  it, it undermines their security financially in better homes, even, even more of a challenge
• 10:36
  because you're undermining, depending on someone's personality, they're safety. But that's why it's
• 10:42
  so important because it is a clean home's either, I mean, a safe home's either going to make you
• 10:47
  help you heal and rest. It's your second skin. And besides your real skin, it's the thing
• 10:51
  that's protecting you from the outdoor environment. It's your cave. And if your cave is moldy,
• 10:57
  there's no, there's no happiness in your life. Yeah, yeah, it, it definitely. So for us, it was
• 11:04
  that first year, all the HVAT calls, health slowly deteriorating, my dog getting sick,
• 11:12
  my wife getting sick, my son getting sick, me getting sick, I was probably the least affected
• 11:18
  because that was there, the least, which is very common. It's about dose and time of exposure. So,
• 11:24
  you know, my wife stays home, my son stays home. It was during COVID, so it was really staying home.
• 11:30
  Yeah. And by the time we found it, we had been through, you know, several inspections,
• 11:39
  several were, were by the builders inspector because our house was still, you know, under,
• 11:44
  under the limitation of the warranty. So they brought out their own mold inspector, who found mold,
• 11:51
  they found 9200, I think was the number of Aspergillus and penicillin in the air.
• 11:55
  And it's a big number. Yeah, it's a big number. Anything really over 500s high. So we were at 9200,
• 12:01
  they tried to gaslight us. Their solution was to scrub the air and then to repeat an air test.
• 12:07
  Oh gee, you know, immediately after turning off the air scrubber, like, no shit, that was,
• 12:12
  that was what they tried to pull on us. And at that point, I didn't know that you were a,
• 12:18
  they did position, they did. And I had, I had many meetings, you know, with my concerns about
• 12:25
  mold and water intrusion potential. Yeah, and it's this, it's the same old story. Probably most
• 12:31
  people get when they're trying to build a hollow. Yeah, we're going to build a great home for you.
• 12:35
  No, none of our homes have mold. And then we do a great job at the end of the day.
• 12:41
  I'll never do it in that way again. And actually, we rebuilt a home at this point where we,
• 12:46
  and you just moved in this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We micromanage. So thank you. Yeah. Yeah, we
• 12:50
  micromanage the whole process with experts to try to avoid another, another complication,
• 12:58
  because that's another big factor is people get out of mold in the mold. And I didn't want to,
• 13:02
  I didn't want to repeat this. Oh, and it's so hard. I've seen that with, we had that, you know,
• 13:07
  I had a functional medicine coaching company for all those years. And so we hear all these horror
• 13:11
  stories. And someone would move, change their life, get rid of all their furniture, you know,
• 13:17
  and start over and get tricked. Yeah. And not have the right inspector, the right expert to come
• 13:23
  in and test the new home, or they moved emotionally. And then they have to do it all over again.
• 13:28
  And then the financial devastation, like it's, it's sad, even talking about it, right? And you
• 13:33
  have to continue to work. It literally, it's probably, in my opinion, and I think that you may
• 13:41
  agree it's probably one of the mold is one of the greatest insults to the, to humans health,
• 13:49
  especially in America, because of building practices. Yeah. Because there's more chronic disease
• 13:53
  than almost anything else. I mean, I, you could eat a crappy diet and still be healthy.
• 13:57
  You can't live in a moldy home unless you have really strong detox genetics, which even
• 14:03
  dead, it's matter of time. Yeah, it's matter of time. People say, I'm that mold sensitive.
• 14:07
  Everyone is sensitive to a toxin. It's like you can't drink arsenic and expect not to eventually
• 14:12
  die. Like it will kill you. Some people detox it better than others, but it's eventually going to,
• 14:16
  you know, do what it's meant to do, which is take you out and feed off you. Yeah. That's kind of
• 14:22
  funny. I guess that's it's, it's goal, right? Yeah. Mold is definitely insidious. And by the time
• 14:30
  we got our own inspector, you know, and what's interesting is again, we had four inspections.
• 14:38
  Two of those four were positive, even by our builder, who, you know, they don't want to find it.
• 14:43
  But when we brought in our own person, like five minutes, they found photographic evidence
• 14:47
  of mold growing behind her walls. And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't, and that's hard to find by
• 14:52
  the way. Like just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Yeah. It can be a type of
• 14:55
  mold that's kind of microscopic or clear. It might look like dust. It looks like geographic,
• 15:02
  or not geographic, but geometric patterns of dust on the posterior aspect of sheet rock. So,
• 15:09
  if you put a nice, fiber optic camera behind the wall cavity with the right hyphenate
• 15:14
  TransLED type of light, you can actually see almost like fractal patterns and growth. And, and
• 15:20
  that they found it, you know, very quickly. So they, they knew it was a problem. Then I,
• 15:25
  then I had them come back out and do a full forensic eval where they took wall cavity samples and
• 15:31
  they took swab samples and tape lifts and, you know, additional testing, including HVAC and investigation
• 15:41
  and forensic deconstruction of the home to determine where moisture was coming in. Why we had,
• 15:48
  so we had, when we did wall cavity samples versus regular air samples, pretty much no less than,
• 15:58
  I don't remember exactly the numbers. I don't have them here in primary, but it was like 30,000 or more
• 16:04
  depending on the wall cavity and some wall cavities were multiple hundreds of thousands of,
• 16:08
  you know, aspergillus, penicillium, catomium, stachybotris. So all the bad stuff,
• 16:16
  all wetter damage. Yeah. And then they used a smoke device to determine whether or not our walls
• 16:21
  were breathing all that stuff into our living space. And you could follow the smoke and they're
• 16:26
  just coming out of the wall cavity right into our, into our breathing space. So once, once we knew,
• 16:32
  like the day we had that first inspection done where where they gave us evidence, we left a house,
• 16:38
  we just walked out, closed on our back, stayed in an extended stay hotel for two months,
• 16:42
  that's where we lived. And you have no choice because everything you have is contaminated,
• 16:46
  making you sick, you need new clothes, you need new furniture, if you can't wipe it down, you're done.
• 16:50
  Well, I've had enough experience with people dying in mold, I've got to see, is probably one of
• 16:56
  the few things prior to pandemic that I've seen people actually die from in my practice, who refused
• 17:02
  to leave it. And I wasn't about to keep my family in an environment that you were losing your
• 17:07
  wife. Yeah. So perhaps you didn't get an autoimmune condition or something. Well, she recovered
• 17:13
  really well. Once we got out within about two months, you know, she was speaking really well
• 17:20
  again. I mean, it wasn't perfect, but like she could recall words, she could finish sentences,
• 17:26
  her energy had improved. My son's rash has completely disappeared. He no longer got fever,
• 17:32
  his stomach quit hurting because he had a tremendous amount of just random stomach pain,
• 17:36
  an adequate crying. And you know, we all had a semblance of hope and health back to a certain extent.
• 17:43
  We just then at that point needed to figure out what the next steps needed to be, because yeah,
• 17:47
  you've walked out of your house, you don't have anything. You have the ability to live in this
• 17:54
  hotel, unfortunately, but what's the next step? So for us, we bought a mobile home and we moved in
• 18:01
  next door. We thought this is a short-term solution. Now, you believe that the justice system would
• 18:09
  swiftly help us, you know, reconcile. It's toxic too. Yeah, yeah, it is. And it was also during
• 18:16
  COVID. So like, try during a pandemic to get people to coordinate lawyers to coordinate
• 18:23
  going every excuse on the book at this point. Everybody's thing enough. One week they got COVID,
• 18:27
  the next week they're recovering from COVID, the next week they're family members got COVID,
• 18:31
  it just you can write every and you can't it's a yeah. Yeah, so that time I got to do is
• 18:37
  mention COVID and you can get out anything. Right. Yeah, so by the time we get our day in court,
• 18:42
  it'll be almost six years. And, you know, a year ago or so, we said we're just, you know,
• 18:50
  we finally realized that this isn't going to be swift. We're not going to wait on that to
• 18:56
  happen. We couldn't tear down our house because it's evidence. So what we decided to do,
• 19:00
  we live in a farm. So we just decided to build a barn and inside the barn, we call it a barn
• 19:06
  dominium. So basically it's a small home within a barn and we had it constructed
• 19:16
  with several experts who were experts in air flow and air movement. Is it going to be your huh?
• 19:21
  It's going to be my home net for now. Yeah, so and then are you going to so people can stay there
• 19:27
  it's like a like an outbuilding that someone can stay and be safe and then you can turn the rest
• 19:32
  into a gym or well, yeah, or a Azure or a barn. Yeah. Do you live on the on the first floor?
• 19:40
  Do you live? Yeah, it's just one story. It's a small farm in a medium and so you might just
• 19:45
  think. We might. You know, that's the whole thing. The bigger homes, people think bigger homes
• 19:50
  are better. They're just more responsibility. More things can go wrong. More ways for mold and water
• 19:55
  dimensionally can, you know, just more problems. Yeah, potentially. Yeah, for sure.
• 20:03
  You know, we're just happy to move on and get out of the trailer. All right, and we went through.
• 20:07
  We went through. I grew up on a trailer. I loved my trailer. Her cane barrel last year came
• 20:13
  through and I was in my wife was visiting her parents in Missouri and my son was with her and
• 20:19
  so I was there by myself in this trailer during the hurricane and the whole thing is moving
• 20:28
  in shaking. Of course, yeah, you've got you've got all these sounds, right? And what ultimately
• 20:34
  what happened? I didn't know until the next day, but a tornado came through the property. So it
• 20:39
  was just a hurricane. It was a tornado offshoot knocked out 11 big matured trees on the
• 20:47
  big tornado. Yeah, big tornado. And I was like, that's why it was so loud. That's why it sounded
• 20:53
  so ominous. And it was after that, I'm like, we're not staying here. I'm not, I'm not going to
• 21:01
  be still here in Texas. Is it tornadoes in Texas? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we get, well, we're on the coast.
• 21:05
  So we get hurricanes and tornadoes. So it's we kind of both both aspects of great wind.
• 21:12
  You know, we need to move. I'm teasing. Yeah, yeah. But before you continue with this story,
• 21:17
  I want people to back up like in the building industry, they're not on your side. They don't like
• 21:22
  mold. Builders don't like mold. They don't want to take responsibility for their actions.
• 21:25
  Their contracts suck. You know, they're all these things that you don't know about legal
• 21:31
  and contracts because they've been through legal disputes. They changed their contracts to put
• 21:36
  it in their favor that you can't sue. They put arbitration clauses. They do everything to protect
• 21:41
  them not to protect you. So you can't trust your builder. Even if it's your friend, you need to have
• 21:46
  a lawyer review your building contract and say, Hey, if this goes to litigation and they screw up,
• 21:52
  who's responsible? You got to hold people accountable today. It's just no way around it because most
• 21:57
  people are. And so when it comes the mold, you go to buy a home, they do an air sample.
• 22:02
  They could have scrubbed it before they took it. And it doesn't, and sometimes the mold doesn't
• 22:06
  get into the living space, but it's still in the wall or it's not that day. It was low. It was
• 22:13
  a low moisture day or the air pressure and the barometric pressure was putting pressure so that
• 22:18
  stuff was moving out. It wasn't high barometric pressure. We was pushing air into your home,
• 22:23
  like a balloon or a plastic bag or whatever, depending on the day. So the mold test things
• 22:29
  inferior today. You had to do forensic analysis. Yeah, I think the mistake people make when
• 22:35
  they're hiring a mold inspector is to hire someone who's under trained and doesn't understand it.
• 22:42
  And they come out and they rely on air sampling as the primary tool for investigation.
• 22:47
  Air sampling is, it's like running a CBC on a person with chronic autoimmune disease.
• 22:53
  Good luck. They're going to have a normal CBC 9 out of 10 times. And the doctor is going to look
• 22:58
  at him as, oh, your blood work looks good. You must be healthy or crazy. That was me. Yeah,
• 23:05
  and that's what air testing is. So air testing can be valuable if you find it. But the
• 23:10
  propensity for it to be falsely negative is very high. According to the who, the World Health
• 23:14
  Organization, they have a whole section on dampness, building dampness and mold. And if you
• 23:21
  read it, you know, they're on statement is you need a minimum of 27 air tests to successfully
• 23:26
  assess and indoor air space. And so most of these guys that come in, they do an outdoor control
• 23:32
  sample. They do maybe one or two samples on the inside of your house. There's no real visual
• 23:38
  inspection. They're not using thermal cameras. They're not using hydrometers or humidity measurements.
• 23:45
  They're not doing surface sampling or dust sampling, dust sampling, MSQ PCR. They're really just
• 23:51
  not being thorough. But the average person doesn't understand mold. And it doesn't understand
• 23:58
  these things. And they just, you're in a motion. You want to buy a house. You want it to be
• 24:01
  mold clean free because you want to move and you love the property, you love the garden,
• 24:05
  you love the pool. And you emotionally make a decision that's literally going to take your life.
• 24:10
  Yeah. Absolutely. So you have to be careful. I would say if you're building a house,
• 24:16
  don't sign an arbitration clause. And most of the big box builders won't build your house.
• 24:21
  If you don't sign it, not to me, like take away their business, like let them feel the pain
• 24:26
  of the financial loss of not being able to sell crappy homes to a bunch of innocent people who are,
• 24:32
  you know, most people are going to spend and when they invest in their home, it's the biggest
• 24:37
  investment they're going to have, right? So financially, it can ruin a family. It can devastate
• 24:42
  a family. So protect yourself on the front end. Don't sign an arbitration clause. We had an
• 24:48
  arbitration clause. I didn't know this before, right? I didn't know. I wasn't, you know, I wasn't,
• 24:53
  I wasn't experienced in that way. So our last builder on most recent, when we had, we took out
• 24:58
  the arbitration clause, I refused to hire anybody who would make us or put us in a position where we
• 25:03
  wouldn't have a trial by jury. Because jury trial is going to be, you know, you had to understand
• 25:09
  who arbitrators are. Arbitrators are usually lawyers or judges. And in an arbitration scenario,
• 25:16
  many of these arbitrators get a lot of their business from the building industry. So they may not
• 25:21
  receive the money directly under the table for a nod in the wing, but is their decision going to
• 25:27
  be influenced by, you know, by a, by a business or by a, by an entity that leads to a lot of their
• 25:37
  revenue in their profession. It absolutely will be. Yeah. I mean, just, well, it's like direct to
• 25:42
  consumer pharmacy advertising. Did that affect news? Did that affect radio? Did that affect
• 25:48
  everything that happened in the last six years? Of course it did. A thousand percent. We took
• 25:53
  the concept, the pumps that come to our, our docu series. And I know that you're going to bring
• 25:59
  your docu series. What's it called mold? Mold jacked. Mold jacked. Love it. So jacked up like,
• 26:06
  you got mold jacked. You got mold jacked. You got hijacked. You got jacked up.
• 26:10
  They literally said, you know, it's, it's a, it gets to the root cause of disease. And, you know,
• 26:16
  we have, and the downy sheets and, you know, the whole, the cleaning industry, like all of our
• 26:23
  sponsors, you know, we'd lose sponsors. It was like, there's no way. And then there weren't even
• 26:27
  about this as a matter of fact. It's like, no way we can do it because it's, it's in competition,
• 26:34
  you know, with, with their message. And, you know, it's going to hurt their numbers. And that's what
• 26:38
  pays for our, keeps our doors, doors open in our lights on. You're going to have to find another
• 26:43
  route. Right. So then we had to do, you know, Facebook and Instagram and people like you sending
• 26:49
  for it to your patients to educate them and clients. So that's not like conspiracy. You know,
• 26:56
  some things are conspiracy. Although I have to say, you know, things that I thought were conspiracy
• 27:00
  have now come true. So I've had to eat my own words. I'm like, ah, just money. You know,
• 27:05
  sometimes it's even more than that. So, you know, things that, you know, like,
• 27:10
  chemtrails, like I'm still, I still have a hard time believing it when I see them in the sky.
• 27:14
  And, but now it's a fact. And, uh, I don't know how big of a fact it is. I'm sure there's,
• 27:19
  there's exaggeration on summons and under exaggeration on others. But, you know, my buddies
• 27:25
  used to, yeah, point at the sky and say, yeah, tell us. I'm like, come on. It's just a different
• 27:32
  type of gasoline that they're using now. You know, jet fuels change. It doesn't disappear now.
• 27:36
  And that's probably true. But I think, uh, they, they may be spraying at higher
• 27:41
  atmospheres. They say that they do now. They say they have evidence. So I don't know. I'm off track.
• 27:45
  But the bottom line is, is that, uh, you know, their money does control out of this and the
• 27:51
  building industry does not like mold. And inspectors don't like mold. They don't like anything that
• 27:56
  will kill the deal. Well, inspectors love charging $500 to do 10 minutes worth of work.
• 28:03
  Thanks for the great life. Yeah. I mean, you can, you can bounce around the 15 houses today.
• 28:09
  You know, and, um, not really do an inspection, but say you did an inspection. And, um,
• 28:15
  you know, that's the air test, right? It just, it's just an over relied upon technology that was
• 28:21
  never designed to be the end all be all of whether or not a home or building contain mold. So
• 28:27
  I think people should know when they're going into higher. If you're suspecting mold, like, don't,
• 28:32
  don't rely on an air test for, um, for the final say, you can do one, um, but it should just be
• 28:40
  part of a comprehensive inspection, not the inspection itself. So kind of that. If you want to
• 28:45
  queue up, what are the questions that when you're trying to find a higher inspector? Yeah.
• 28:49
  Question number one, do you do wall cavity samples? Question number two. And on the answers to all
• 28:56
  these need to be yes, right? And if the answers know, you should just like hang up the phone, don't
• 29:00
  waste your money. Do you do wall cavity samples? Do you use infrared? Do you have humidity measurement
• 29:07
  tools where you can measure humidity and, and hard wall surfaces or floors? Do you pop open the H
• 29:13
  rack and look inside, look at the coil, look at the plenum? Do you walk to house? Do you walk the
• 29:18
  attic? Do you inspect the perimeter? Do you look on the roof? Do you, um, do you have an experience
• 29:28
  in mold litigation? Now, not all of them will, but many of they've really good inspectors
• 29:34
  will have an experience where they are regularly representing legal battles for homeowners who
• 29:40
  have mold in their home due to faulty construction. So those, some of those mold inspectors
• 29:45
  are the best ones to hire because they have a forensic understanding of how to do it appropriately.
• 29:50
  Yeah, there's, yeah, put it this way. There's badass inspectors out there that want to protect you
• 29:55
  and they cost more, but they're amazing. No, they, they cost less because, yes, because by the time
• 30:02
  you spend $500, hiring two bad ones, you're still going to end up having to choke out the money
• 30:09
  to hire a good one if you're trying to build it. Yeah, and from that, yeah, yeah, right, they do
• 30:12
  kind of cost a lot less because your health, medical bills. Yes. So you're looking to save money,
• 30:18
  but this is something you do not chimp out on. Don't, you never cut corners on
• 30:22
  who you hire as a mold inspector and never cut corners on who you hire as a remediation team.
• 30:26
  If, if your house can be remediated, if that's a possibility, one, one interesting thing that,
• 30:32
  that we've now seen a few times and it's relatively new is the use of mold inspection dogs.
• 30:39
  Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. So we've had a few cases now where, you know, because mold
• 30:44
  inspections also not a perfect art. I mean, you can get somebody's really good, but you can still
• 30:49
  miss a ton of things, some things. And so it's just another thing that can be done where you
• 30:54
  bring in a dog that's been trained to sniff out mold. And sometimes they can find areas where
• 30:59
  there's mold. We had one last week where the dog found a spot near a window that had mold in it
• 31:07
  that did they went undetected because it was inside the wall cavity and it just there was no water
• 31:12
  damage evidence around that wall cavity. So I've heard that story over and over and over again,
• 31:18
  mold dogs, like they're, it's kind of funny, mold dog. I just think of myself as a mold dog. I
• 31:22
  go into a, you, I think your neurology kind of like, I don't know if you're like that and go
• 31:27
  into home, like there's mold in here. And, and I've seen people like a mold dog identify mold.
• 31:34
  There's mold over there. Really weird. I don't know what happens, but the, if a human can do that,
• 31:41
  and I've seen humans do it, particularly a doctor friend of mine. And how much more
• 31:47
  can a dog who's sensitive to energies and smells and, you know, they're, I don't know what their
• 31:52
  senses are, like how many more times, but it's, they're, it's a very effective. It's kind of funny.
• 31:59
  That's, I think it's one of the best ways to inspect your own. I honestly do.
• 32:03
  Yeah. Ultimately, I think is many, if you're chronically ill, as many resources you can afford
• 32:11
  to help you understand the Y aspect around mold better. So, but at any rate, those are the,
• 32:19
  those are the top types of things you really want to ask. Those are mold inspectors concerned.
• 32:24
  Don't settle for somebody who's just going to run an air test and really let your hackles be raised
• 32:29
  when a mold inspector tries to tell you, well, those other tests are kind of expensive. And you
• 32:34
  just, you know, you should just do this. And that means that mold inspector doesn't understand
• 32:39
  mold illness. If they're not willing to go out and test the check a box. Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:42
  Because remember, they're, they're trying to move on to the next house. That's a lot like a doctor's
• 32:46
  office. I got to see 30 patients today. I only get three or five minutes. Yeah. I want to,
• 32:51
  I want to sell this house and stop, you know, I want to get this deal so I can do the next one.
• 32:55
  Yeah. So they're, they're not your advocate is my point. Like, you have to be your own advocate.
• 33:00
  You have to write, I'd really learn to ask the right questions around mold inspection. And,
• 33:05
  you know, once you do that, you, and you can get it thorough inspection done. Now you have a
• 33:09
  shot at finding there's two things you need to understand about what the inspection is designed to do
• 33:14
  or designed for that. Number one reason you get a mold inspection is to find the mold. Number two
• 33:18
  reason you get it is to find out why the mold grew. And a good mold inspector can answer both of
• 33:23
  those questions because they can find it. A lot of times they'll find it. But if you just remediate it,
• 33:30
  you don't know why it grew and you don't solve that. It's just going to grow back, right?
• 33:35
  Mold always grows because of moisture. Your house is mold food. Doesn't matter if it's made
• 33:39
  at a glass or concrete. It doesn't matter if you've got hemp. It doesn't matter what materials
• 33:46
  you use your house to be built out of mold's gift. God gave the gift of mold to destroy and
• 33:52
  erode everything and return it back to the soil. Given enough time, given enough water
• 33:58
  as the kind of the fuel source for mold to thrive. So if your house has a moisture issue, whether
• 34:04
  that be directly just a humidity problem or whether it be some kind of hidden water leak,
• 34:11
  it's enough to create mold growth. And so that's why you want to know why the mold grew. Where's
• 34:17
  the water coming from? For a lot of homes, what we see clinically in our patients is
• 34:24
  it's in the HVAC. The HVACs are either oversized. So what happens when you put a big old HVAC system
• 34:30
  on a small house? People think bigger is better, right? You cool the house so quickly that it can't
• 34:36
  be properly demitified because the houses are built so tight that they cool quickly and they're
• 34:42
  so energy efficient. They hold onto that cool a lot longer. And so what happens is that AC kicks
• 34:48
  on. It may run 10 minutes in the hour, but it's supposed to run kind of consistently to demitify
• 34:55
  the air in the home, especially if you live in a climate where there is more humidity. And I take
• 35:00
  this so serious. That's why I moved to lower humid. That's why I moved to Utah because I wanted to
• 35:06
  get, I didn't want to fight mold anymore because if you get a water damage in a home, it's so hard
• 35:10
  in Pennsylvania because of the humidity just to knock it down. So you need to get it,
• 35:16
  you know, if if you have something gets wet, you need to get it below 50% and like 12 hours.
• 35:21
  It's not even 24 hours. You're getting mold growth. And so it's so hard for me. I'm like, I'm out.
• 35:26
  So I was kind of teasing when you should move. Maybe you should now get keep going back.
• 35:31
  You're like, I just built my dream home, dude. I got my chicken. My family, my practice. Yeah, I know.
• 35:36
  I'm all the people that have mold problems that need me to stay then. And that's what I love about
• 35:41
  you, man. You got a heart for people, a heart for God. You're no bullshit. And it's really cool.
• 35:47
  But for me, I mean, it's such a serious problem. You know, we, I practice what I preach. If you come
• 35:54
  to Salt Lake, come visit me, I'm going to actually launch my podcast out of my home. I'm going to
• 36:00
  move the studio into my home because I want people to see that I practice what I preach. And the
• 36:05
  reason I left because I was so serious about mold, I wanted to be in an environment where it was
• 36:10
  easier to, so if I get water leak in my house, I, you know, wipe it up for on some fans. You know,
• 36:16
  I'm always at 30% humidity. It's it's gone. It's it's one less thing because it's 70% of
• 36:23
  homes, according to experts have significant enough amounts of mold that's going to make you
• 36:27
  sit. That's what experts say. And now you can look at, you know, the EPA or who or, you know, but
• 36:34
  their numbers are like 40%. You know, you know, EPA, EPA says it or is it nyosh? I think it's nyosh
• 36:41
  says that 50% of buildings in the US are water damaged. And a lot of that research is can,
• 36:47
  it's taken from multiple studies and they've, you know, thrown all these studies together and did
• 36:51
  didn't like a kind of meta analysis of, you know, where how much mold or how much water or how
• 36:57
  much history of water damage is here or there. And it's kind of an average of half half one out of
• 37:03
  two. You just want to look at it that way. So you have a 50 50 shot. And I would say it's probably
• 37:09
  higher. Depending on a number of variable factors, I don't want to take away hope either. I think
• 37:15
  I think there certainly places people were here to still hope. Peter, this is our job today. Yeah.
• 37:20
  So, so, but a lot of people, that's the thing. They don't get out of their mold because they
• 37:25
  fear they're going to just get into mold and they're thinking because they look at the statistic
• 37:28
  like that and think, well, you know, I'm not going to spend all this money to do that. And then,
• 37:32
  you know, not know where I'm going to land. And that's a valid logical argument to make.
• 37:39
  But sometimes less mold is better. And that's where a lot, like a lot of times when people
• 37:44
  are getting out of it, like get out of it first or get into a smaller environment where you can
• 37:51
  get your brain back. Because part of what happens in mold, it's so insidious in the brain, it steals
• 37:57
  your capacity for high function, right? So, you don't make good decisions. And then you have a
• 38:04
  hard time making any decisions like because you get decision overload, you basically, you're so
• 38:09
  stressed that making a small decision, you can't handle it, right? So, the reason I want to back
• 38:15
  up right there, what you said is so important. And many people listening to this, if you're in a
• 38:22
  moldy home, it might go over your head and because you have brain fog, but in this is because
• 38:27
  you work with sick people and you help people through that, you give them energy, you help them
• 38:31
  make good decisions because you literally, it's a neurological toxin that gives you massive
• 38:37
  brain fog. It's the inability your testosterone is in the bucket. You literally don't know how to
• 38:43
  make good decisions for yourself. It's almost like you're so sick that you're just going to continue
• 38:51
  to make mistakes. You'll make a rash decision or no decision at all and it's so important when
• 38:56
  you're sick to find someone that you love and trust enough because when you're sick like this,
• 39:01
  you stop not trusting people either, like you get paranoid and you need to find someone to have
• 39:07
  an advocate, whether it's a practitioner like yourself, you know, a mold inspector that really
• 39:13
  knows what he's doing and really cares about people because there's people with great hearts today.
• 39:18
  There's a movement towards people just stop doing things for money but actually
• 39:24
  deliver value so that that fills their soul. There's a value exchange, so there's people out there
• 39:31
  that'll be your advocate and it was those people in my life that helped me make my decisions when
• 39:35
  I couldn't make decisions for myself. Financial decisions, relationship decisions, like when you're sick,
• 39:43
  you need advocates, you need people around you to speak life into you and to help you along the
• 39:47
  way. Don't do it alone. If you're too sick to make those decisions, find someone that you love and
• 39:53
  trust that cares about you that is successful, that isn't fear-based, that says we're going to find
• 40:04
  you a clean home, we're going to help you find, I'm going to help you find somewhere where you can
• 40:08
  live and get healthy again because you were right in saying that there's mold everywhere and you can
• 40:17
  find safe homes, all homes are going to have some level of mold in it but if you can get a much
• 40:22
  lower exposure to where your body can handle it, open your windows, whatever you need to do to
• 40:27
  get healthy again and then you can slowly perfect your home over time. You're always going to,
• 40:32
  if I just found a whole bunch of mold in my house and it was doing relatively fine, none of us
• 40:39
  were sick but my daughter had some flamed lymph nodes, she was getting headaches, that's not normal
• 40:43
  for a 10-year-old, people think that that's normal and just give her aspirin but I knew and then
• 40:50
  ran a vibrant wellness test on me and I had elevated water damage and what I don't know which one
• 40:56
  it was but the micotoxin and I'm like we have, we have mold somewhere so I found it, you know,
• 41:02
  and then I had an inspector cut into a wall and we had a four foot six foot by three foot section
• 41:08
  of mold that another mold remediation company when I bought the homes it did have mold,
• 41:12
  I bought a home with mold, listen to that, like I'm a guy who's sensitive to mold and I still
• 41:17
  bought a home with nasty black mold in it because I knew I could clean it up and I got it cleaned up
• 41:23
  before I moved into it because just because it was there doesn't mean that you can't clean it up,
• 41:28
  it was an isolated area, it was really bad but I had it ripped out, ripped out all the insulation,
• 41:35
  fixed all the water damage, the source of the water tested everything and then, you know,
• 41:40
  air scrubbed the whole home, fogged it with parasitic acid, wiped down all the flat surfaces,
• 41:45
  yeah there was some probably, you know, some dead mold spores laying around and it wasn't perfect
• 41:52
  but moved into a home that had water damage because I knew I could make it safe,
• 41:58
  but the one section that they said it was safe, this one section of wall still had that black mold
• 42:04
  in it. So my question to you is like, I've had a couple more questions before we wrap up, if
• 42:10
  that black mold is sitting in there, it was stacky botrists inside of it, paste it in between
• 42:17
  two layers of drywall, obviously it was affecting my daughter, but how much worse would it be if it's
• 42:24
  dry, there's really no air flow through it, it just stuck between the walls and it's kind of
• 42:29
  dormant, like how bad would that mold be? Bad, still bad. Yeah because mold really sporeates
• 42:39
  better when it's dry, it's it's when the water's there, it can grow and get garnered resources,
• 42:45
  but with dryness, it's fine trying to find on. Well, it's yeah, it's trying to spread it,
• 42:50
  spread itself out so that it doesn't go extinct and so it's really good at sporeating better when
• 42:56
  it's dry. So you get, could it spore right through the drywall? Um, prolocked in, probably not,
• 43:03
  but you know, drywalls, not perfect either in the house's move and shift and so even if it's
• 43:09
  capped behind something, you're still going to get movement and potential, you know, potential
• 43:14
  spores coming through and if you're, you know, your daughter obviously was symptomatic. So
• 43:18
  she was, um, another doctor was touching her lymph, like what's much smaller than a mold
• 43:23
  spore is a mold toxin, right? So mold spores, um, on the order of magnitude of mycotoxins,
• 43:31
  like 0.3 microns, so tiny. So you can't filter it out. Yeah, size of a virus, basically. So
• 43:38
  could that move through your through that wall, you know, because it's not perfectly sealed,
• 43:43
  she rock may be touching, but there's air in there. Oh, there's air in there. Yep. And so those,
• 43:47
  and it was dead ended on mine. Yeah. It was actually three layers and it was, you know, on two
• 43:52
  the layers. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, definitely would be toxic, even in that type of situation.
• 43:58
  Um, yeah. So hopefully that answers it. That doesn't answer my question. It was disappointing,
• 44:03
  but I mean, I probably knew that was what you're going to say. Hey, good, but I just wanted to ask
• 44:07
  you because I know you know so much. So what are the three areas of a home that are most likely to have
• 44:12
  mold? That's a great question. Number one, be the HVAC system. And the problem with that is that
• 44:19
  HVAC system being the lungs of your house are going to send that mold in every corner and
• 44:25
  nook and cranny of your house, right? So if you've got mold growing on your coils, now you've got
• 44:30
  mold settling and mycotoxins and mold debris settling in on all of your furnishings and your
• 44:35
  carpets and your anything fabric based is just going to absorb those things into it like a sponge.
• 44:42
  So number one problem we see is HVAC systems being poorly maintenanceed. Or if they're,
• 44:50
  depending on where you live, the practices, the building practices, they put those machines
• 44:54
  up in the attic. So you have those tremendous temperature variants between the hot attic in
• 44:59
  the summer and that 70 degree or 68 degree cold air inside your ducts. But if those ducts,
• 45:06
  if the seal on them breaks, then now you get hot attic air meeting cold 70 degree air and that's
• 45:12
  condensation, right? You get a rain. The water glass effect. Yeah. So that's how a lot of times
• 45:18
  mold grows in HVAC systems. So to me, if you're trying like what's the high hanging for or low
• 45:23
  hanging for it that you could really keep your eye on to minimize it is have your HVAC system
• 45:29
  maintenance at least a couple of times a year by an HVAC company who understands mold. Yeah,
• 45:37
  you know, that would be one aspect. Other couple of common places behind a dishwasher is a common one
• 45:44
  because the leak will be subtle under a sink, kind of a dishwasher sink combo. You've got those
• 45:51
  pipes going through there very commonly. We'll see especially in housewives where they're staying
• 45:58
  home and you know, it's been a lot of their time cooking and they're right there over that sink
• 46:03
  next to that dishwasher and they're the sickest one because they're right there in that locality.
• 46:08
  Bathrooms of course are always going to be a source of moisture because of hot showers people
• 46:13
  kid showering kid kid showering adult showering adult male but but the fans that they put in install
• 46:24
  sometimes they just go right into the attic space. There's no they do mysterious. Where did that
• 46:28
  fan go? It went into your attic and it made your attic moldy. Yeah. So that's another thing. It's
• 46:32
  like if you have a fan, make sure it's a lot of them. They just dead end them into the attic and I
• 46:37
  don't that shouldn't be code anymore. No, it shouldn't. It shouldn't be going out of the home. Well,
• 46:42
  I had one of those dead like in my house in Pennsylvania. It was a townhouse. It was it was dead
• 46:49
  ended right in the old uh yeah and there's mold all over where it was blowing on all the insulation
• 46:55
  and which is all black mold. It's wonderful. Yeah, always fun. Every home I've been in it's head mold
• 47:00
  yeah like visible mold every single one I haven't I've only had three all of them that had
• 47:07
  done surprise me. Bathrooms also if you have a tile lining in like your shower. The grout
• 47:16
  that they use is supposed to be a water impermeable grout but it's a really expensive grout.
• 47:24
  And so what a lot of builders do is they just use standard grout on those tiles.
• 47:28
  So now I'm scared because I think that's probably my house. Yeah, if they're if if if you don't
• 47:34
  know the answer to that you should go and find the answer to that because the likelihood that
• 47:40
  there's water emanating or seeping through that shower wall is very high. That was part of our
• 47:45
  our more of our problems as well. We had we had the wrong grout. I've always you just confirmed
• 47:52
  one of my fears. I'm like I wonder if you know but just like everyone else I'm busy I don't want to
• 47:57
  do with another problem. People I don't feel that sick right now. So I mean yeah, you got to be
• 48:03
  motivated by illness. It's crazy. Like if if I start getting sick or seeing my daughter then I'll
• 48:07
  look but it's yeah it's so I I can empathize with you know people then they just don't want to
• 48:17
  do with another thing in our lives right but it's something we need to focus on. Nobody wants to pull
• 48:22
  their head out of the sand and say it's mold because if you if you know what that means
• 48:27
  it's expensive and probably sometimes it's not sometimes we get really lucky it's just a real
• 48:32
  simple fix as the removal but but it's it's yeah it's taxing it's tough it's expensive and it
• 48:40
  may lead to a bigger finding you know and they say oh I'll have a little here a lot of times when
• 48:45
  you start pulling things back and looking it's when you start finding more and you're like oh yeah
• 48:51
  that's what I had a little spot that I ignored in my bedroom um but after my daughter and after
• 48:56
  my test I had it looked at and of course it was much more mold than when I thought it wasn't just
• 49:01
  little dot it was all through right in my bedroom yeah so I you know here I am you know and I
• 49:07
  talked to some medicine doctors mold remediation you know I'm an environmental you know scientists
• 49:12
  masters agree we dealt with mold like I know all the things and I still like get busy I'm
• 49:17
  emissive pathetic I'm taking care of my family bills you know all the things that we all do
• 49:21
  and I you know we ignore things don't ignore mold I'll say it will get your attention quite
• 49:28
  so continue on because these are great information the grout thing um and uh what other areas
• 49:34
  that are in any any place where a pipe runs um one of those one of the things that um
• 49:41
  that breaks really quite frequently is that little um little valve that connects your toilet
• 49:47
  to the wall um and so what happens to a lot of people this is more of an obvious one but um
• 49:52
  you go off on a weekend and that thing breaks and you come home to a foot of water in your floor
• 49:58
  um that's the kind of thing that you just a guaranteed mold is going to grow because you've
• 50:03
  been gone long enough for it to grow um but check those valves I you know that's again maintenance
• 50:08
  we're talking about prevention um what what what what people should should really do is look for
• 50:15
  signs of condensation around just the generators of their house because another common
• 50:19
  air is windows the windowsills the windows themselves hot cold variances between the indoor and outdoor
• 50:25
  I have aluminum windows and some of the ones out of my building I get um water build up all
• 50:29
  when and long I'm just constantly like yeah yeah I mean I'm talking a cup full of water
• 50:35
  in the winter that I have to wipe off and now I have little fans um little uh magnetic
• 50:42
  uh battery fans that blow on it yep night so I literally had it designed I was actually a
• 50:47
  mold remediator that told me you need to get little fans to blow on there so it doesn't do that
• 50:51
  it'll evaporate the moisture so I experience that this is this is a big one with your windows
• 50:56
  and condensation yeah tons of black mold that and they install them and properly sometimes no
• 51:02
  what happens is you get no weep holes around the window and into the netto invitation for water to
• 51:08
  seep in I mean those are those are pretty common you know outside of that standard stuff roof leaks
• 51:14
  you know maintenance of a house I mean houses aren't perfect and they're certainly
• 51:17
  they need to be maintained they have to be maintained and I think in our throw away age everybody
• 51:22
  is so used to convenience where we've almost got a society where it's like um we expect so much
• 51:30
  um but we we don't want to take care of things and I'm not saying that as an insult to people
• 51:37
  I'm just as guilty of it as anyone else just like oh if it breaks you just he's cheap enough we
• 51:42
  could just buy a new one like that's the society we live in right correct all right we grew up
• 51:46
  our grandmothers and grandfathers were like recycling their glass bottles right they were really
• 51:50
  old school green right today we're we're talking about BPA free bottle anyway that we don't want to
• 51:55
  dive or dive diverge off of our topic but um maintenance so get hydrometers there you can get
• 52:03
  them for six seven dollars on amazon not expensive put them in each room which is humidity meters
• 52:09
  yeah exactly good in that way you can get a get a get a footprint baseline for what kind of
• 52:14
  humidity levels are in your home you know during during and you'll be surprised you think that
• 52:19
  you know one room is you know 45 percent you might have a couple rooms 60 exactly especially
• 52:25
  closets they don't have airflow yeah yeah because a lot of times the airflow is going in the main
• 52:30
  rooms but you have that big closet and there's closed up yeah it's closed up there's no movement
• 52:36
  um but put hydrometers in and then just kind of you don't have to be paranoid about it but check
• 52:40
  out periodically and kind of log them log down like what what what what does this room look like
• 52:46
  on a regular basis if it's regularly 45 percent great but I follow the sudden it's now at 50 55 percent
• 52:54
  to look for the water look for the moisture um that's prevention have your age back
• 52:59
  check a couple of times a year if you do if you do a nice garden bed around your house and you've
• 53:04
  got sprinklers and you screw you better make sure this sprinklers aren't hitting your house and
• 53:09
  that's you know that's maintenance you can have that if that's what you just need to have or want
• 53:14
  but you know depending on what the facade of your home is made out of whether it's stucco or
• 53:19
  brick or or wood or siding um look that stuff breaks down and you can get places where water will
• 53:25
  permeate through and so those sprinkler heads in your flower beds are sometimes a source of moisture
• 53:30
  coming into a damaged area externally they're huge I was at uh studios I was filming studio a friend
• 53:37
  of mine and and there's mold in his studio but um I saw the sprinkler hitting the side of the
• 53:44
  thing I'm like get there's probably a ton of mold I'm like you can't do that like you're gonna
• 53:50
  get sick like I had to I went out and adjusted it and it did it for him because I was just so worried
• 53:55
  right because it's just blasting the side of his building ruining your building causing mold but
• 54:00
  we just go about it and think oh it's no big deal it's just water no it's not just water it's
• 54:04
  nature and it's gonna win yeah yeah especially if if um if it's left long enough I mean water water
• 54:13
  finds the way in I mean it's just it does so if there's a crack or a or a nook that it can make
• 54:19
  its way into and then it'll freeze and thaw in a winter have a little moisture and that you get
• 54:23
  it to the mansion so next summer when your sprinklers are back on it just finds an easier hole
• 54:29
  but but house maintenance becomes very important I'm having a checklist um check your washer
• 54:34
  washing machine as their places where mold grow that where that where that hook goes in and
• 54:39
  the water goes into the wall at a common place we find leagues make sure that underneath all of your
• 54:44
  sinks you're you're looking if you smell must underneath them look for the water I recommend putting
• 54:50
  in it make latex trays that you can put underneath those things and so that way if you do
• 54:55
  and they can hold up to like some of these trays they're rated to hold up to like two gallons a
• 54:59
  gallon of waters um and then I put um I put moisture meters everywhere like I have them
• 55:06
  all through my house and they send off alarm it's a it's not high EMF it's just a radio frequency
• 55:10
  very low I mean it's still frequency but I have them all over my house and then they if they go if
• 55:16
  if there's ever a detection I have like 15 of them and they're not that it was already that
• 55:19
  expensive like 30 bucks each the thing was expensive as the valve but I integrated them with my
• 55:26
  alarm dot com system the guy that uh someone else there's a there's a company called out there
• 55:31
  but they actually do this professionally I'm like I I made it happen with alarm dot com it's 20
• 55:35
  bucks a month yeah so it's my alarm system and then I have at least 15 of these things and if they
• 55:41
  any of them get wet it shuts off my main um my water main so I mean I have a pressurized tank so
• 55:48
  it will still get some water my home but I'm not gonna lose more than the biggest water leak I
• 55:53
  can have is 40 gallons but just because the way my house is set up but I literally any of those go
• 56:00
  off it shuts that off and again that wasn't that expensive but I'm kind of you know I think that
• 56:07
  it should be standard yeah for me I mean water we're gonna we live with the water we want water
• 56:12
  I mean plumbing is an amazing thing um for all of us but it comes with the risks of mold
• 56:18
  and so having having a driving a car comes with the risk of dying oh that's it so risk
• 56:25
  yeah so just maintenance yeah maintenance so what are the the three myths about killing mold
• 56:32
  we're three mold killing myths don't use chloroxid doesn't work mm-hmm why um well one
• 56:39
  mold is super resilient and you're not gonna kill it with fungicides or chemicals like
• 56:44
  Deacon not not effectively you might get some of it to die back but ultimately when you when
• 56:50
  you try to kill it you're not going to be successful and when you're killing some of those cells
• 56:56
  that are dying those fragmented dying cells are just as pathogenic as the mold itself and so you're
• 57:06
  you're basically you're just creating debris that you're still gonna react to
• 57:10
  and with a false sense of security that you dealt with the problem and if you use bleach and
• 57:14
  it's a black or a green or brown mold that has toxins in it you're just bleaching it
• 57:20
  so you're not getting rid of it but you can now you're turning it white so it's your eyes are
• 57:25
  less apt to find it so you're not really dissolving you know in some of it surviving yeah oh definitely
• 57:32
  yeah definitely the least chloroxid does not kill mold yeah it's not what you want to use
• 57:36
  for mold remediation you don't want to try to have some company come out and spray some type
• 57:41
  of anti fungal fog again if your goal is is to get rid of the mold you remove the mold you don't
• 57:48
  kill it um mold is not your enemy mold is doing its job it's just unfortunately your house
• 57:56
  something's wrong and that's it's your cue to fix that but you're not gonna kill the mold by
• 58:00
  fogging it you're just gonna make it more volatile you're gonna make it release more micotoxins
• 58:05
  because you're just gonna frankly piss it off and it's gonna try to protect itself just like
• 58:09
  you would if somebody came in and tried to rob you um so don't try to kill it try to remediate
• 58:16
  remediate means removal so when you have that there physical removal physical removal is the
• 58:22
  debris that's it and when you're removing it make sure that you're um depending on the job
• 58:28
  depending on the size of the remediation like ideally it's not to do it yourself at home project
• 58:33
  people get hurt a lot of times doing their own remediation i've seen it um that's not say you
• 58:39
  couldn't do your own remediation i would say depends on the scope of the work if you just if it's
• 58:43
  just a sense of you are that too if it's just a small area you know that's pretty easy thing to do
• 58:51
  but if you've got a bigger problem a kind of a universal problem if you if you try to to fog that
• 58:57
  away it's gonna make your family sick no you can't fog it away yeah i i like it for sanitation
• 59:04
  after all remediation is done if there's a little bit of molds for here there it also kills viruses
• 59:09
  and that's why i like paracetic acid but um and i companies called pure maintenance and they're
• 59:15
  they're gonna say that you don't need to it works so well they have the testing and i love the
• 59:19
  guys i'm friends with the owner um but we disagree on that one um but um i have seen people
• 59:26
  use it and they feel better for a little while and then they want to get sick again and uh so
• 59:32
  that's that's how i would recommend you might be different than you and we can definitely disagree
• 59:35
  but yeah to me remediation is removal is not sprays yeah i don't you know that is i agree 100
• 59:41
  percent you can never fog away mold it's impossible yeah that if the to me the best way to fog
• 59:47
  after if you want to fog with something um there's something called fine particle remediation
• 59:53
  that's what this paracetic acid is it's really tiny particles that actually can like penetrate
• 59:57
  every crack and crevice and wall and it's a fine sample yeah and you want to pull there
• 1:00:01
  was a bind those toxins they're smaller that float in the air that follow a different law of physics
• 1:00:06
  and so they it's like when you watch the sunlight come through the window and you see all that
• 1:00:10
  stuff yeah that's what you're trying to pull all that to the floors because so you get it out so
• 1:00:14
  that once you do that you can use half of atoms and you can take a lot of that up and it just
• 1:00:18
  really scours the air and cleans it more effectively so that your family can come back into the
• 1:00:23
  house and be safe or otherwise and lowering that toxic load in the home the microtoxin yeah
• 1:00:28
  all that yeah because that that's just it some people are so sensitive that even with the proper
• 1:00:33
  removal and hepavocumes like that stuff that little particulate that's still kind of floating
• 1:00:38
  and still make them sick or keep them sick so number three um myth when it comes to killing mold
• 1:00:45
  um you don't I mean it's really just one myth you just don't kill mold yeah you don't kill it um
• 1:00:52
  remove it yeah yeah so so we could say don't paint kills over it if you want to add another myth
• 1:00:59
  yeah like some you don't paint over it yeah some people use a primer that's a huge huge myth
• 1:01:04
  well they think the primer is going to encapsulate her we would do that with a lead we would have
• 1:01:08
  encapsulation or spestus we would do encapsulation um through the you know the the company that I
• 1:01:14
  worked with um so and I know a lot of friends will do kills right because it it kills mold and it
• 1:01:21
  encapsulates it so that's a huge myth that's really important on actually I haven't heard that
• 1:01:26
  learned a lot forgot about forgot about painting over mold that's what they do at hotels like this
• 1:01:32
  yeah paint over the mold paint over the mold um I have I have a water damage I'm black mold
• 1:01:37
  right in my room oh we'll send maintenance right after yeah we'll change your air filter and
• 1:01:42
  then he's painting over it yeah oh my god oh my gosh don't seal your basement um does another
• 1:01:51
  yeah bonus don't seal your basement basements you know which generally are on the outside you
• 1:01:58
  want to seal no and you want drainage you know water drainage so water is going to emanate into
• 1:02:02
  the ground right so that that concrete slab that is your basement that runs through the ground
• 1:02:07
  is not impervious to water um it's so it's not about it's not about sealing the water out if you
• 1:02:14
  seal the internal aspect of the basement what ultimately happens water is just going to push and
• 1:02:19
  if your house is as on top of that you're it's going to shift and it's going to move and you're
• 1:02:24
  going to get water in it anyway uh it won't it won't fix the problem because hydrostatic pressure
• 1:02:29
  hydrostatic pressure is not going to stop so what's key with basements is to have external drainage
• 1:02:34
  on the outside so as as rains coming down you have to make sure that around the hall
• 1:02:39
  where that water emanates into the ground you have a really good drainage system set to remove
• 1:02:42
  the water away from the house coming in for that's a French drain yeah yeah but there's yeah
• 1:02:48
  drainage is key my dad was an excavator and we used to put French drainage in all the time and
• 1:02:51
  fix water damages and homes by putting pipe with holes so it would direct the water away and
• 1:02:56
  Pennsylvania just rained it's borderline rainforest it's just so much water damage um if you
• 1:03:02
  go to home if you're homes at a bottom of the hill you have all that hydrostatic pressure
• 1:03:07
  amount hydrogeology degree coming out and there's no way you you're always going to lose if
• 1:03:12
  your house the bottom of the hill you really need to have a massive drainage and be running
• 1:03:17
  almost like an industrial dehumidifier not just like a little one you pick up at home depot but
• 1:03:21
  ones that are you know north of a thousand dollars that can a fifty pint you know but a fifty
• 1:03:28
  pint it it it costs go and a fifty pint industrial it's it's five times the machine
• 1:03:34
  and they can move a ton of water and keep yeah keep it dry keep it dry that's why I did it my
• 1:03:39
  parents when I was I knew it was mold and I still had to live there until I could move out and
• 1:03:43
  stay with a friend I made them actually I bought it I bought them a really powerful dehumidifier
• 1:03:50
  and you know air filters and I was still sick like because there's you know that mold was growing
• 1:03:55
  that geometric mold was growing everywhere just no way around it yeah you can reduce the water
• 1:04:00
  some people find it helpful you know temporarily you can reduce the water and filter the air
• 1:04:05
  but if you're really mold sick those that's not remediation either you know a lot of people try to
• 1:04:11
  everything but remediation and I get it especially if you've got somebody telling you it's
• 1:04:15
  going to cost you know my friends of thousands of dollars if you have humidity in your walls and
• 1:04:20
  you have mold just growing on all your you know micro particles of mold growing everywhere inside
• 1:04:26
  your walls you have to rip out all your walls and redo it all that's a lot of work you can have
• 1:04:31
  a vacuum it that um yeah it's it's a lot of work so how um let's give some some people some hope
• 1:04:40
  what are three things they can do to fill better after being mold sick like the three the very
• 1:04:46
  fastest ways to start filling better after your health has been impacted by about fast and free
• 1:04:52
  number one don't be scared to say naps don't be scared to sleep longer um 10 plus hours
• 1:04:57
  a night of sleep is one of the quickest ways to recover sleep is critical for healing
• 1:05:03
  and a lot of people how we we have a generation depending on the age of the person where
• 1:05:08
  some people are guilty for the nap they're guilty for sleeping in you know then so they like they
• 1:05:12
  have this sense of I have to be doing something at all times no your body needs rest you've been
• 1:05:17
  fighting a war silent microbial invisible war and a recover from that you need rest um number two
• 1:05:24
  you need sunshine to recover um a lot of the detoxification of mold is about mitochondrial damage
• 1:05:31
  so detoxification is a very energy expensive process and if you have
• 1:05:38
  mitochondrial damage from mold exposure one of the quickest ways to get your mitochondria back
• 1:05:43
  online is to expose them to light from the sun um you can buy infrared infrared is one of the
• 1:05:49
  key lights that ramps up accelerates ATP production by yourself but um you can just go aside
• 1:05:55
  yeah and when you're outside too you're also getting fresh air right because you know people say
• 1:06:00
  well there's mold outside too yeah it's it's about dilution and concentration right inside your
• 1:06:04
  house you have a minimal quantity of cubic air space outside you have trillions of tons of cubic
• 1:06:09
  air space and so you have a dilution effect so any mold or mycotoxins outside are diluted by the
• 1:06:15
  mass of air but they're also being oxidized and broken down by OH negative ions that are naturally
• 1:06:21
  being produced as the sunlight hits the ozone so that mother nature has this way outside of
• 1:06:26
  dealing with those toxins so that mold doesn't destroy the earth but inside your house you don't
• 1:06:31
  have those things so got side um gets sunlight as much as you can without burning that's also free
• 1:06:39
  and then outside of that open up your excretion channel so you know make sure you're pooping
• 1:06:45
  and make sure you're peeing so hydration becomes really critical especially with electrolytes when
• 1:06:50
  you're in mold um a lot of people suffer with electrolyte abnormalities because of the way it
• 1:06:54
  impacts them so hydrate with electrolytes the urine movement is going to remove toxins from
• 1:07:00
  your body for free right so if you want to do the top three things to detoxify once you remove
• 1:07:06
  from the mold but remember you need to remove from the mold if you're still in it these things
• 1:07:11
  are going to have a minimal impact yeah because you're still being exposed so again sunshine is
• 1:07:17
  super free um sleep is absolutely free and pooping and peeing is also free um but to pee more
• 1:07:26
  and we want that at least initially hydrating really well the electrolytes if you're constipated
• 1:07:32
  um really you know next strategy there is I like to use vitamin C yeah um because it's a natural
• 1:07:38
  osmotic it'll pull water into the balance not have it forming so it doesn't really create a
• 1:07:44
  scenario where you're you're changing the colon or changing the neurological control over how the
• 1:07:49
  colon works um you're just gripping herbs you know like cacagarras agarata or something like that
• 1:07:54
  exactly we have it forming and vitamin C is also antifungal so if you've been colonized by the
• 1:07:59
  mold vitamin C helps it's like fuel rocket fuel for the immune system to fight fungus so it serves
• 1:08:05
  as an ad on benefit and if you've got mast cell activation because you've been in mold vitamin C
• 1:08:09
  natural any histamine it helps stabilize mast cell so there's just a lot of benefits to that if
• 1:08:14
  you're looking at you know like supplemental support it's typically tolerated by everyone like
• 1:08:20
  it's very rare for somebody not to tolerate vitamin C there are other supplements people that
• 1:08:24
  have been in mold um it don't tolerate very well especially supplements that amplify detoxification
• 1:08:30
  you know things like methylated B vitamins and uh those are probably some of the more common
• 1:08:35
  ones that people in mold don't don't do well with while they're still involved but um outside of
• 1:08:41
  that some low hanging fruit I like binders um there's a lot of good ones full ofic acid,
• 1:08:45
  zeolite, bitnite clay just make sure you're getting a pure brand something that um is not contaminated
• 1:08:51
  with a bunch of other metals but no two that just eating well contains binders like there's
• 1:08:57
  there's in fiber there's binders right eating an apple yeah yeah apple pectin is what I think
• 1:09:03
  what a lot of supplement companies now are they're adding are adding it as a kind of a binding
• 1:09:09
  agent so you can you can eat well and detox and remember all the vitamins and minerals you need
• 1:09:15
  for detox are in your food so part of it part of recovery that isn't free because we all have to
• 1:09:22
  eat and we have to pay for our food but it isn't more expensive you know six is not added cost
• 1:09:28
  is just simply eat well and you know for me what does that mean organic grass fed free range
• 1:09:36
  are kind of staple definitions there's no perfect food there's no super food or one food that
• 1:09:42
  you know that you need to only have or that is going to amplify this better than all other foods
• 1:09:48
  that's not what I read on Instagram yeah I know all the memes are telling you which super food
• 1:09:52
  they're selling you is going to the three types of full through yeah
• 1:09:55
  move mold from your body every food is super yeah every food is a miracle and
• 1:10:00
  that you have to determine when it comes to diet there's no one size fits all I mean I'm partial
• 1:10:05
  to no grain because it's been my experience clinically that number one 30% of grain crops are
• 1:10:12
  contaminated with mycotoxins and it's probably higher than that if you're already sensitized
• 1:10:17
  eating grain while you're trying to recover from mold becomes an impact that's a really good point
• 1:10:21
  yeah and then at you know outside of that many people because of mold are
• 1:10:28
  reacting to gluten and some people are just gluten sensitive regardless but there's a there's an
• 1:10:34
  interesting scenario that sometimes happens with mold because it's some immunosuppressive
• 1:10:42
  you get colonization of yeast we all have yeast in it so you know yeast isn't evil has a
• 1:10:47
  purpose we have something called a myco biome NYCO which is fungal we have a fungal microbiome yeah
• 1:10:54
  and candida is part of that now what happens in mold is we mold behaves mold toxins specifically
• 1:11:00
  behaviors antibiotics that's what penicillin is so we're breathing in antibiotics from our
• 1:11:05
  air every day it's wiping out our healthy flora the candida that naturally liveness
• 1:11:10
  anyway yeah are growing out of control well one of the proteins that candida produces is called
• 1:11:16
  a hyphil wall protein HWP it looks like gluten identical to gluten if you look at it so in science
• 1:11:25
  they call it homology it has homology sameness right so yeah if you're gluten sensitive you're out
• 1:11:31
  of your mold you're still struggling one of the most common reasons why is that you are over
• 1:11:37
  colonized with candida it's making proteins that mimic gluten and if you haven't if you've
• 1:11:44
  changed your diet and you're eating green free great if you haven't it's just more fuel in that
• 1:11:48
  fire but candida also produces gliotoxin gliotoxin is produced by aspergillus and penicillium so it's
• 1:11:55
  one of those that we know damaged the kidneys it's a carcinogen it inhibits DNA and RNA replication
• 1:12:01
  so it stops you from basically being able to repair if you have that overgrowth in you it's
• 1:12:06
  going to continue to perpetuate your illness so a lot of people once they get out of mold and
• 1:12:11
  they still struggle it's important to know that you might be colonized and you know you can
• 1:12:16
  you can suspect it and do some things that are kind of suppressive of fungal overgrowth like
• 1:12:22
  caprylic acid oregano these are things you can eat great cereal make great grape seed oil has it
• 1:12:26
  time has it the number of wonderful herbs that work for the plants to prevent fungus from
• 1:12:32
  overgrowing on the plants that also work in humans but ultimately I would say if you're still
• 1:12:36
  struggling and you're out you don't know why I work with a mold literate doctor who understands
• 1:12:40
  this stuff and save yourself in next two or three years of trying to fix your leaky gut because
• 1:12:46
  that's what we hear a lot the doctors that really understand this well when we talk and get
• 1:12:53
  together it's like a good lot of the people that we see have been working on trying to fix their
• 1:12:59
  leaky gut for three four five years because they didn't seek out an expert help and so they've
• 1:13:04
  lost that vitality of their life and then they've also lost the thousands of dollars on protocols
• 1:13:09
  and supplements and things that haven't really been all that helpful so it's not say those things
• 1:13:14
  can't be because I think there's something to being intuitive and trying to take ownership of
• 1:13:20
  your health and do the right things but if you've been doing it for that long and you're struggling
• 1:13:25
  like starting to seek out hell yeah and that's a great way to end the show so this has been
• 1:13:31
  amazing and you do train doctors as well so how can someone find a mold literate doctor how can they
• 1:13:37
  they find you and I could talk to you for hours like you're just starting to get into some of the
• 1:13:42
  the cool science of the complications with mold illness and the little tricks and tips you can do
• 1:13:49
  to start feeling better because that's what ultimately we all want we all want to feel ourselves
• 1:13:52
  again we want to have energy want to seek to the night we want to be able to do the things that
• 1:13:57
  we love to do have energy at the end of the day to stay up late and talk to our spouse instead of
• 1:14:02
  like you're both passing out in the bed and running this rat reel you know wheel and you're a great
• 1:14:07
  doc you know you know what the hell you're doing and you actually train doctors so how can someone
• 1:14:11
  find you and some of the practitioners you're trained to really care about people because I know
• 1:14:16
  that anyone that's going to work with you actually good or going to be good people yeah if they
• 1:14:22
  want to look for my practice it's origin's wellness and you can just go to originshealthcare.com
• 1:14:28
  and that is you can read more about what we do yeah I'm sure you have lots of great even free
• 1:14:33
  information there as well and we have a lot of great free information for the mold community at
• 1:14:37
  moldjacked.com that moldjacked is coming out soon yeah coming out soon yeah so it's been an
• 1:14:43
  honor man has always get to know you better track you down and put you in the chair and we help
• 1:14:50
  some people today so thank you yeah thanks for having me I really appreciate you all right
• 1:14:53
  rather have a great day yep you too