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Top 10 NFL QBs with Rich Hribar · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
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  Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Action Network. I
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  Speaker 1: am Chad Norman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.
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  Speaker 1: We are so close. People joining me on the show
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  Speaker 1: is my co host, my companion, my capadre, my BFF,
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  Speaker 1: professional better Assignmon Hunter and O Simon.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Chad. Good to be back. I mean, my brother
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  Speaker 2: off the top. We got to talk about everyone's talking about, right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if you're left, If you're right. NCAA
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  Speaker 2: football is back, Chad, And I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know if that was something you missed.
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  Speaker 2: But growing up to me, I mean there's Madden and people,
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  Speaker 2: there's NCAA people. I'm a little bit of both, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm definitely a guy who I spent way too
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  Speaker 2: much I'm playing that game.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know if you if that missed you.
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  Speaker 2: But I had a couple of fans reach out to
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  Speaker 2: ask us about if I could ask you if you
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  Speaker 2: played it, and I told.
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  Speaker 3: Them I don't think Chad made the window.
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  Speaker 2: I think you just missed the window because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like you were like thirty five ish thirty two ish
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  Speaker 2: when it came out.
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  Speaker 1: So my window, my window, And I can't even remember
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  Speaker 1: the name of the game. Now, is that old I am?
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  Speaker 1: It was that NHL video game?
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  Speaker 3: What game?
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  Speaker 1: The NHL video.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, yes, and it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not Ethronic again again, I'm so old. I'm aging myself.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: When the movie was that movie with John Favreau and
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  Speaker 1: Vince Fawn Swing Nurse came out, Yeah, and like one
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  Speaker 1: night they were all hanging out in their apartment playing
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  Speaker 1: that video game Nintendo. That was like every night for
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  Speaker 1: me and my guys. Yeah, in college before he went out,
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  Speaker 1: it was putting that gime.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, My mine for that for college
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  Speaker 2: was FIFA, like FIFA if you were drinking. It was
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  Speaker 2: just a perfect thing of you know, if you lose
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  Speaker 2: your ginger beer and it was kind of thing where
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  Speaker 2: it's like that was just in the dorms. That's what
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  Speaker 2: people played for my age. But yeah, that AHL is
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  Speaker 2: definitely a classic.
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  Speaker 1: I will say that this new NCAA game came out
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  Speaker 1: and my kid who wanted the new PS five console
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, Yeah, he decided that he wanted to spend
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  Speaker 1: his own money on it because we weren't going to
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  Speaker 1: buy it for him because he wanted to play with
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  Speaker 1: all his friends, so he made the choice to spend
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  Speaker 1: basically his life savings in this video game console so
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  Speaker 1: he could play the new Matten College football game.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm with him. I had that ard reality.
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  Speaker 2: It's a weird thing chat where if you have an
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  Speaker 2: order console, it doesn't work on it. So I have
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  Speaker 2: the original Xbox One, which was great for me for
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  Speaker 2: ten years, and I go to download the game. They're
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  Speaker 2: just like, nope, go spend more money, go buy the
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  Speaker 2: newest Xbox And like, damn, they know that.
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  Speaker 3: I'll do it too, So I win, did it.
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  Speaker 1: But they hooked you, brother, hooked you. They also hooked
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  Speaker 1: my seventeen year old son. We are now two weeks
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  Speaker 1: away from the start of our annual NFL Division.
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  Speaker 2: Mayors Report Today, Chad or yesterday they reported yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we're here, we are so here and the world.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of news going on right now. Right
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  Speaker 1: now we are talking about the NFL and we are
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  Speaker 1: weeks away from our division preview episodes. To get those
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  Speaker 1: juices flown a little bit, we have one of our
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  Speaker 1: favorite summer episodes. This is when Simon and I rank
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  Speaker 1: our top ten NFL QBS with the help of our
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  Speaker 1: very special guest friend of the show, og at the
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  Speaker 1: fantasy football community. You can find him at Sharp Football Analysis,
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  Speaker 1: at Lord Reeves, on Twitter, many other places where the
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  Speaker 1: NFL is intelligently discussed. Exception being today, Welcome to the show,
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  Speaker 1: rich Rebard. What's up, brother?
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  Speaker 4: What's going on? Guys? I'm glad to be back. Even
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  Speaker 4: after last year of having Deshaun Watson on my list,
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  Speaker 4: I was glad I was invited back. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: where Deshaun Watson is going to be on anyone's list today,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm glad that I was allowed to come back
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  Speaker 4: after that. Well.
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  Speaker 1: Look, one of us had Justin Fields on his list, so.
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  Speaker 3: Even worse, two people forgot Stafford.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and that I can guarantee we're not making the
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  Speaker 1: same mistake again.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to do this list. Earlier today, in
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  Speaker 1: a separate call with Matt Mitchell one of my eighty
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  Speaker 1: five calls with Matt Mitchell today that had nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with the podcast, I told him I had blocked
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  Speaker 1: out some time and even on our return from vacation
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  Speaker 1: late Saturday night yesterday, I started thinking about my list
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  Speaker 1: and then I had blocked out time today to do
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  Speaker 1: more research, and he was ripping me. He's like, you
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  Speaker 1: got Dave greg on that list, Like he was so
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  Speaker 1: antagonistic about what my list is going to be. So
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  Speaker 1: when I saw your list, which I've seen, I was
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  Speaker 1: so proud that, like I wasn't too far off, but
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  Speaker 1: we got we got some differences, and we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: yours in mind, and then we'll get to Riches, who
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  Speaker 1: you and I are going to go ten to one,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, I want you to start first. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to make the list. I want you to define your
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  Speaker 1: criteria because I want you to explain how you're thinking
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  Speaker 1: about the rankings in this particular ten to one list,
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  Speaker 1: because I do think that you and I will think
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  Speaker 1: about it differently, and yet we still ended up with
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  Speaker 1: pretty much the same people on the list.
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  Speaker 3: You start, Yeah, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to adjust a little bit because I did take
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  Speaker 2: too much heat for last year. I agreed with a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the hate I was getting. It was mainly
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  Speaker 2: from Cowboys fans. I was just too low on DAK.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I had Dak in my top ten
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  Speaker 2: last year. My view was that I was just burned
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  Speaker 2: out on DAK. I was just like I know how
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  Speaker 2: great is gonna be doing the regular season. I know
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  Speaker 2: when I need him in the playoffs, he's not going
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  Speaker 2: to show up for me. I'm just I was just
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  Speaker 2: so sick of the hype. But last year, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Dak was to me the best court back in the NFC.
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  Speaker 2: I can't leave him off the list again this year.
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  Speaker 2: So that for my criteria, I'm basically looking at who
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  Speaker 2: do I trust her in the regular season, not just
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs, to if they throw a pick six, if
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  Speaker 2: they're behind in a game, who do I still have
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  Speaker 2: faith and they'll be able to come back and win
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  Speaker 2: those games?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Because there's plenty of guys who can put up great numbers, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you right now, Chad I left
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  Speaker 2: off was too too puts off great numbers. He's deadly accurate.
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  Speaker 2: I do not have faith at all that when things
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  Speaker 2: are going wrong that two is going to pull his
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  Speaker 2: team out of those things. So I did leave two
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  Speaker 2: off my top ten list. So let's start number ten. Chad,
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  Speaker 2: he made it. I got to give it to him
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  Speaker 2: after last year and what he did. I was a
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  Speaker 2: hater coming to the season, but brock Perdy number ten,
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  Speaker 2: I really got to give that kid respect. Number nine
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  Speaker 2: is not going to shock people and means the darling
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  Speaker 2: of the off season, Chad CJ. Stroud. We're gonna talk
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  Speaker 2: about him obviously. Number eight. I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 3: Golf worked his way in. I mean, we can't deny it.
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  Speaker 3: Right he was.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of the best quarterbacks the NFC last year
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  Speaker 2: and it's been consistent, right every year he's gotten better
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  Speaker 2: since he's gotten Detroit.
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  Speaker 3: So number eight golf.
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  Speaker 2: Number seven hurts, and that's that's gonna be a controversial pick.
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  Speaker 2: People don't believe in him. I'll tell tell you why.
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  Speaker 2: Why do when we get into it. Number six right
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  Speaker 2: above hurts.
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  Speaker 3: I'm o, Dak. It's just he was incredible last year.
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  Speaker 2: Like as much as of a failure he is in
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs, you can't deny the talent and how smart
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  Speaker 2: he is. And even games that they weren't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: weren't weren't his best games. He kept his team in him.
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  Speaker 2: So respected Dak. From last year, it was just he
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  Speaker 2: was incredible. Number five, my highest graded quarterback in NFC Stafford.
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  Speaker 2: I mean we talked last year he was just so disrespected.
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  Speaker 2: You listen to any radio show they're pounding his under
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  Speaker 2: six and a half the win total of that team.
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  Speaker 2: People left the Rams were dead. I mean, look at
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  Speaker 2: that turnaround, Like it's just it's just incredible how good
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  Speaker 2: he is when he can't stay healthy. So number five Stafford,
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  Speaker 2: the rest is all AFC quarterbacks from EA Chad. Number
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  Speaker 2: four the MVP Lamar. He would be hiring this list
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  Speaker 2: if he just doesn't stop burning us in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: But I can't let it go. Like he just the
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  Speaker 2: guys above him here, I have more especial when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to January and February. Number three, Joe Burrow speaks
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  Speaker 2: for himself. He just cool, cool, cool Joe. Like he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't get more cool, cold blooder than Joe Burrow. Number
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  Speaker 2: two is still Josh Allen. To me, if Patrick Mahomes
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  Speaker 2: didn't exist, I think we were talking about him having
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  Speaker 2: one or two rings at this point.
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  Speaker 3: It's just it's.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately for Josh Allen, he's born into an era of Mahomes,
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  Speaker 2: which we talk all the time about the great ones
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  Speaker 2: they get left in these kind of periods where I
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  Speaker 2: still think he projects out to be a Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, will ever get over that hump? Chat, So
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  Speaker 2: number two, Josh Allen number one? How do you not
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  Speaker 2: put the best player in all football? Maybe we've ever
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  Speaker 2: seen at number one. I think he's been number one
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  Speaker 2: for both of us ever since we've done these lists.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe one yard Brooke and did put Allen, but I
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  Speaker 2: just could see it being Mahomes over these last couple
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  Speaker 2: of years.
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  Speaker 3: Being the guy. So not no shock at all having
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  Speaker 3: him at number one.
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  Speaker 1: Chad, here's what's so interesting. You and I I think
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  Speaker 1: both of us had Allen number one either.
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  Speaker 3: I think two years ago it was after the Joe
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  Speaker 3: Burrow beat.
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  Speaker 1: It was after Joe Burrow and like we were down
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  Speaker 1: on my homes and you have my body was when
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  Speaker 1: it was up on Josh Allen, like this year he's
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  Speaker 1: going to get over the hump. And then Mahomes did
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes things, and he's won two Super Bowls since then.
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  Speaker 1: I like to think that we inspired that greatness because
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  Speaker 1: he was so upset that neither of us had him
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  Speaker 1: as our number one overall quarterback that he went on
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  Speaker 1: to win back to back Super Bowls. One hundred percent. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I remember, as we get to my list, you and
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  Speaker 1: I had very specific feelings about Josh Allen and Joe Burrow,
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  Speaker 1: and I think Rich was the tiebreaker on that, and
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  Speaker 1: so I'm excited for him to give us our list,
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  Speaker 1: and he will in a minute. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: through mine because they are so similar. And you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: right off the top what you liked about out these
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks and why you had them on the list. I
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  Speaker 1: made two notes about what I'm thinking about when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to how I'm defining my ten top ten quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, And it is, honest to god, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even really look at stats for this. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to insult Rich because I know he does
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  Speaker 1: a lot of thoughtful things when it comes to numbers
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  Speaker 1: and rankings and things like that. I only thought about
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  Speaker 1: two things. What quarterback am I most afraid of? If
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  Speaker 1: I have bet against them and they have the ball
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  Speaker 1: and they need to score to win the game and
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  Speaker 1: for me to lose my bet, That's number one, and
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  Speaker 1: that is definitely number one. It's not like two sides
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  Speaker 1: of the same coin. That is number one. Number two
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  Speaker 1: is who do I trust most to win me a
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  Speaker 1: bet if they have the ball last and I need
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  Speaker 1: them to score to cover. So it's basically, who am
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  Speaker 1: I most afraid to bet against? Who am I most
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  Speaker 1: excited to confident to bet on. That's it, that's the ballgame.
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  Speaker 1: And because I live in fear, the first one is
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  Speaker 1: who am I most afraid to bet against? Number ten?
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  Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. I thought about Tua, but to me, he's
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  Speaker 1: a system quarterback, and like, there's so many factors that
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  Speaker 1: go into whether or not he's going to be successful,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I kind of feel
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  Speaker 1: the same way about that, in that he has so
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  Speaker 1: many ways in which he grows up big numbers because
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  Speaker 1: of the system he's in and because of the way
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  Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is calling plays. But I am not afraid
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  Speaker 1: of Dak at the end of a game, Like I
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  Speaker 1: think there are too many ways in which he loses
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  Speaker 1: you a game and not enough ways in which he
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  Speaker 1: wins me a game to have him be higher. He's
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  Speaker 1: in the top ten, but he's not higher than that
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  Speaker 1: for me, number nine, And I was actually surprised I
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  Speaker 1: had him this low. But Rock Purty, so you and
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  Speaker 1: I are close. On Purty. You have him at ten,
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  Speaker 1: I have him at nine. Brock Purty, He's a gamer
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  Speaker 1: to me, and like, no matter what he's done earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the game. I feel like at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the game he's going to find ways to win. We
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  Speaker 1: saw it against the Lions. You know, he played so
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  Speaker 1: well against the Chiefs that game. Losing that game is
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  Speaker 1: not brock Perty's fault. That is a win by Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes and some bad coaching calls by Kyle Shanahan. Rock
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  Speaker 1: Purty number nine again, like you, I have Jared Goff
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  Speaker 1: at eight. I was shocked when I went through my
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  Speaker 1: list that I put Jared Goff in. Yeah, at eight,
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  Speaker 1: But then you think about it, like, think about all
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  Speaker 1: the stats we had last year. One of the best
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks against the spread in the NFL, one of the
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  Speaker 1: best quotquarterbacks against the spread at home, one of the
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  Speaker 1: best quarterbacks against the spread indoors. The guy just covers,
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  Speaker 1: the guy covers as a favorite, the guy covers as
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  Speaker 1: a dog. So Jared Goff makes the list seven. You
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  Speaker 1: had Justin Hurtz. I did not have him on my list.
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  Speaker 1: I had Justin Herbert. I'm curious to know why you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have Justin Herbert on your list.
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  Speaker 2: I mean again, I was gonna say it for it.
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  Speaker 2: When a deep dive hurts But basically, well, would you
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  Speaker 2: say the Chiefs are the best defense the last five years?
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  Speaker 3: In your opinion?
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  Speaker 2: Are the Chiefs? Have they been the best with SPACs
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  Speaker 2: most completely the last five years?
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to argue against that because of what he's
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  Speaker 1: done strategically and how many Super Bowls they won, and
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  Speaker 1: they've won because of the defense.
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  Speaker 2: So if you had a Bears quarterback that made it
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  Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl that passed forward three undred yards
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  Speaker 2: against that Chiefs defense and had four total touchdowns, would
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  Speaker 2: you view that quarterback as a top ten quarterback? So
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  Speaker 2: that's what hurts it, and that's why I couldn't put
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  Speaker 2: Herbert on this list. It's like he's got zero playoff
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  Speaker 2: wins and he's inconsistent.
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  Speaker 3: That's my issue.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the talent's all there, he's got the coach finally,
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  Speaker 2: So next year, could I have him back in this
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  Speaker 2: top ten?
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  Speaker 3: No doubt. I mean Herbert, he's got the talent.
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  Speaker 2: His issue is he's inconsistent, and even in those games
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  Speaker 2: that you know, we gave him a lot of leadway
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  Speaker 2: last year because of the coaching. But it's like there's
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  Speaker 2: plenty of games you could have put on Herbert that
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  Speaker 2: He's just didn't live up to the moment, right he
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  Speaker 2: had the ball in the final two minutes. He didn't
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  Speaker 2: live up to the expectations. So that was just my
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  Speaker 2: view of it. It's like Hurts, he's gotting too much
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  Speaker 2: flak from last year again, Eagles still won eleven games
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  Speaker 2: in a season. From hell, I think it's just the
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  Speaker 2: way football is, right. It's like I can see why
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  Speaker 2: you did it. Like I love watching Herbert on tape,
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell you that much if I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: watch him or Hurts. It's more appeasing to my eyes
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  Speaker 2: to watch Herbert. But as a quarterback, I just feel
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  Speaker 2: like Hurts has done more than Herbert has.
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  Speaker 3: Six.
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  Speaker 1: I have Lamar. You have Lamar at four. I have
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  Speaker 1: him at six for the same reasons you have him
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  Speaker 1: at four. I don't trust him. I don't think you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he needs to be winning in order for.
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  Speaker 3: Him as a dog.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Though me and chat Auto bet every time, We've never
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: not bet him as a dog.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: But I'm with you. It's just the trust.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: It's a trusting I got C. J. Stroud at five.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm over heeping.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: You're drinking the kool aid after a rookie year.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: I might be drinking the kool aid. I'm very curious.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: I thought I'm a nine, but that I get it.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I know Rich is Rich is.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Being very patient. I got Stafford at four. I might
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: be over correcting because of the because we left him
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: off last year, and I feel like in one of
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the posit it might have been back tr gaved back
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: ti Chris Long. Someone mentioned that they just look at
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, and players look at Matthew Stafford as the
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: most talented quarterback in the NFL other than c. J.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Stroud. He was talking, They're asking him who he tries
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: a repscated game after, and you saying Stafford.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: That's it. Then I got Alan, I got Joe Burrow,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I got Allan at three, Burrow at two. When you
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: you and I have gone through this before. I had
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Burrow before Alan a couple of years ago. He's beaten
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Bottom line, he's on the field the angles
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: beating Patrick Mahomes. Josh Allen hasn't. And then I got
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: number one Patrick Mahomes. All Right, we've made Rich wait
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: long enough. Rich go from UH ten down to one.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Gus give us your logic and what went into your
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: list and then give us your list?
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, I like that. I come about this
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: a little bit differently than you, guys. I wanted to
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: stay uniform. So my criteria last year was the order
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: of guys I would take clean slate to win a
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl on my team this year, so kind of
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: removing them from like all the surrounding conditions that kind
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: of go into maybe why we feel negatively or positive
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: about a player. So with that, I think ten is
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: pretty nebulous for me. I hemmed in hot of a
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: few guys, like, you know, do I give Aaron Rodgers
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: the benefit of the doubt even though he played four
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: snaps last year? You know, him being four? What do
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: you want? I settled on still, you know, just Trevor
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Lawrence for the pedigree. Uh, you know, I didn't really
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: include Tua. Golf or Party were not even considerations really
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: for me, because of the way that they operate inside
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: of each system. I think when you look at all
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: three of them, it's easy to tear them apart and say, like,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: you know, like Simon, did you even have Justin Herbert
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: on his list? If you put Justin Herbert in any
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: three of those situations. I think that those teams are
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: exponentially better football teams. You know, we don't. We have
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: a very small sample of brock Purty's career, so I'm
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: curious to see, like if he just keeps knocking down doors.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: But I mean, we only have one hundred and thirty
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: seven dropbacks that brock Purty has trailed in the second
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: half of a game for his career. But on those dropbacks,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: he's twenty ninth in the NFL completion rate, twenty ninth
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: and touchdown rate thirty seventh and interception rate and thirty
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: third and quarterback rating. Like if you put the if
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: the small sample that the forty nine ers been putting
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: in a box where they have to pass their way
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: out of things and things falling brock Party's shoulders, he
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: hasn't played really good football, so I mean he's he
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: has such Christine conditions to play in. I mean, you
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: give Justin Herbert, Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Deebo Samuel and
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Brandon Atyuk. I mean, I don't even think it's a question,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: like what.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: If I give him Austin Eckler, Keenan Allen and Mike Williams.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they didn't play the last years. But they
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: didn't play the last years. I mean I know he.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Had he had him, he had him for a couple
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: of years. There, I get what you're saying. That's fair.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we look at Herbert Splits when all
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: of those guys have played and when they've been off
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: the field. I mean he's been incredible, yeah, he I
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: mean he's been absolutely incredible.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: But but we're talking about Trevor.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Lawrence just for the pedigree factor. But I'm pretty open
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I actually was pretty close to Jordan Love being kind
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: of on there, but just the sample size issue, because
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I think from a talent perspective, Jordan Love has everything
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: like I would look for the off platform throws, you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: being able to extend plays, uh, those types of things.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: But you only have like a half a year of
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: him being like right, like really good.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: So interesting about then I've got Zach Well hold on
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: sech Ridge. What's so interesting here is Trevor Lawrence is
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: on your list and not on my list and not
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: on Simon's list. He has been on the past, but
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: he was so bad in pressure situations last year that
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: as people who are focused on this only from a
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: gambling point of view and not from in upside how
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you're building a franchise point of view, Like I didn't
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: even consider him from my top ten. I had Jordan
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Love ahead of him. Is sort of the next tier
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: if I dropped somebody out and Jalen Hurts before Trevor Lawrence.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting to me that the way you think
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: about this, I just I would be curious to know
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the numbers that you just described him trailing past attempts.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Where does he rank compared to brock Purty, because that
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: might give me a different point.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he's higher in all those categories. I
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: think just what happened last year was similar to what
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: happened to you know, kind of Herbert, you know in
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: the past years. It's like everything deteriorated around him. I
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: mean last year the Jaguars were eight and three, they
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: were cruising and then just collapse. Everything fell apart one
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: in five finish. You are right about the pressure stuff
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: though with Trevor Lawrence. And we've seen the offensive line
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: you know last year twenty ninth and pass block win
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: rate twenty seventh and run block win right at Pro football, folks,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: there twenty first and pass block and grade thirty first
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: to run block and grade. It was a bad unit
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: and they really only added Mitch Morse like it could
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: be a potentially bad unit again. There's some moving parts
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: here with you know, Calvin Ridley and Zay Jones, you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: swapping chairs for Brian Thomas Junior and Gabe Davis. They
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: saw got Christian Kirk and Evan ingram As like those
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: those safety blanket guys. But it couldn't not be good
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: again this year. Why you can make arguments like the
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Colts got better, the Titans got better in that division
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: as well, so he may maybe doesn't answer to me.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: It was like if I was taking, like said, starting
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: a franchise, like it was just between him and Jordan
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: love for me, and I still think going back to
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: that draft, he still got the guy that was had
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: all this pedigree, and I still believe there's something in
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: here that we haven't gotten the best of it. Maybe
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: we just keep waiting for it. Maybe he's my Deshaun
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Watson pick of this year. But I have Dak nine
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: pretty much all the same reasons you guys have. I
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: have Jalen Hurts eight. Just everything kind of again last year.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I mean it was really good the front half of
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: the year, and that was in a year where they
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: lost Shane Stikeen, Brian Johnson had no play calling experience
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: before last year. The offense was really stale. You look
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: at their play action rate, their pre snat motion rate,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: all that dropped. Losing Shane Stykeen, then Hurts picked up
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: a knee injury in like Week six, kind of just
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: was never the same. That offense was never the same.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: The offensive line was really healthy still, like Simon said,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's really hard to strip away that Super
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Bowl performance Jalen Hurts had and like you see the
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: ceiling right, he was the best player in that game.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Like in you know, it's a bummer that you know
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: the MVP of the game can't be on the losing team.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Then I have Lamar Jackson at seven. And it's really
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: comes down to all the same stuff that you guys
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: laid out. I mean, I don't think that the Ravens
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: they have to be kicking themselves like they didn't have
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: a You'll never maybe have as good a look as
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: you had as last year. You had a down Patrick
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Mahomes right, like an immortal Patrick Mahomes in your house.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: They score zero points in the second half in your house,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: and you can't beat them, right.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And your defense was designed to beat the forty nine ers.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It was like the perfect team now could stop the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: forty nine ers. I'll never get over it, yeah, I
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: mean will never get over it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't see how Baltimore fans will
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: ever have a better look than what they had last year.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: And they couldn't cash in. The only quarterback since Lamar
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Jackson uh entered the league that has a worse quarterback
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: rating with more than two playoff starts than him is
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Jimmy Garoppolo since he had in the league. I mean,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: it's just a six six passing touchdown, six interceptions in
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: the postseason. You've seen it last year, they didn't. You
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: can we can definitely look back and say that game
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: plan was was terrible what Baltimore had last year when
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: they faced Kansas City. But they put it on Lamars
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: shoulders again. And you know, it always comes down to
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: the passing acumen, right, And that's what it always comes
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: down to. And that's why I have all these all
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: those guy, all these guys higher than Lamar Jackson. I
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: have Stafford six. Uh, then I have Stroud five. I
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: still have just and Herbert four because again I'm removing
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: him from, you know, from everything that's been surrounding him,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: and then I have Burrow, Allen and Mahomes. And to me,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: it's still the tiebreaker when you get into the top
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: of the tiers. And it's what we talked about last year.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: And I know, Chad you liked it, but it's still mean.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: It's like it's the sack of winded stuff and that's
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: what separates Burrow. He gives like the gaps from Burrow
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: to Allen to Mahomes. I mean since Mahomes entered the league.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I mean he's he's only been sacked on twelve point
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: two percent of his pressures. It's the best rate in
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: the NFL. It actually goes down in the postseason. He's
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: only been sacked down eleven point eight percent of his pressures.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: And then you look at you know, Joe Burrow, He's
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: been sacked on twenty six percent of his pressure since
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: he and THEVELL. It's fortyeth out of forty three qualifying qbs.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Mahomes is one, Josh Allen is three. You say all right. Well,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: the Bengals still punch themselves out right, but they go
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: from eighth in the NFL and points per drive with
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Joe Burrow in the game when he doesn't take a
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: sack all the way down to sixteenth in the NFL
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: and points per drive when he does take a sack.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Only Russell Wilson has lost more EPA on sacks since
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Joe Burrow entered the NFL, and he has actually has
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: lost more EPA expected points added on sacks then Josh
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Allen has lost on fumbles and interceptions since he entered
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the NFL. And you know, I dropped all those stats
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: for you guys last year and told you guys, that's
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: why I was most concerned about justin Fields even getting
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: a second contract in the NFL was the sack avoided stuff.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: And just you know, you look at the NFL, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: since I've been tracking this data, I've been talking about
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: this for like multiple years, and you start to see
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: people start to get on the sack stuff recently. But
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, you triple your rate of scoring a touchdown
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: when you don't take a sack on a drive. You
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: double your rate on not punting when you you know,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: don't take a sack on a drive, and you double
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: your rate on scoring any points on a drive when
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: you don't take a sack. So that's what makes the
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: home such a demon. And that's why I still Burrow
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: even though he has those those Montanask qualities, like just
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: the negative plays, I mean those negative plays, and people
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: don't count sacks as turnovers, but they definitely should be
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: counting them as turnovers.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: So Rich, I don't want to brush your bubble here,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: but I've seen Joe Burrow say he's very focused on longevity,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: So to me, that means he's getting ready to take
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: fewer sacks. Simon, I've been on vacation. We haven't had
• 26:16
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• 28:06
  Speaker 1: feel like this is where our list are very gear
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  Speaker 1: towards gambling centric ideas versus just starting a franchise ideas.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Neither of us have Trevor Lawrence. Both of us have
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff. You know, that's like.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Everything he said so true.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: If you if you if Ben Johnson, if Ben Johnson
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: left them, even though they have the best offensive line
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: in football, I would downgrade him outside.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: My top Don. I wouldn't have as much faith as
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: I do have in this year. It's like it's kind
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: of a package deal here. So he's right, Like.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: From a betting stance, we have to factor in Dan Campbell.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Dan Campbell cares about our money.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Dan Campbell is playing, he's coaching to win games, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: as a gambler, that's what you want. That's why they're
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: so good as dogs. That's why there's that's why there's
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: they're so fun to bet on, that's why the lines
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: have been such house money.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: The other guy that you talked about that I feel
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: like I had on my list if I look at
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: it sort of my next year obviously, I had Jalen
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Hurts like just outside and maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I should have him in there. Although I can't think
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: of anyone I would take out. The only person I
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: would take out is Dak, honestly. And it's interesting to
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: me Rich that you have Dak as low as I do.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I have met ten, you have him met nine, but
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: much higher. Simon has him much higher, Like I didn't
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: have Hurts. The guys I listed outside of this were Hurts,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Lawrence and Love and so Simon, give me your take
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: on Jordan Love. Why isn't he on this list? Do
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you think he's close to being on this list?
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's just a classic case. So it was
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the same thing with Party last year. It's like do
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: it again, Like Party had a great half of a
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: year when he came in for the forty nine ers
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and took them all the way to the NFC Championship game,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: which we all can agree that wasn't because of Party, right,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: that was the team around him, Jordan Love, that was
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: all him, Like that him carrying the team and I
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: think he was what second in touchdowns in the NFC
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: last year, Like it was all there for him and
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: he really did do it. But I'm just skeptical because
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: it's just like, Okay, now the book's out on them. Now,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: now they have a full year of tape on him,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: can he do it again this upcoming year? Because he
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: really did only do it for a second half of
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the year, And if you go back and look at
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: the teams he beat, it's not like he beat up
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: on these great teams, right, it was kind of an
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: easy path to do what he did.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: So my view of Jordan Love is just it's the
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: media hype.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Right now too, where everyone out there is talking about
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: him as a top ten guy. Like I really watch
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and listen to a lot of shows, they're all in
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: on Jordan Love, and it's just it's too soon for me.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: It's like, let me see him do it again.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: If I was him, I would not touch the field
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: this summer without a new contract.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Though.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Like the whole thing about people being upset that he's
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: trying to hold out, it's all a game, people, Like
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: he knows the deal. He knows that he had a
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: crazy run, so it's like he's got to get that
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: deal before he takes the field. And that's my view
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: of him. It's like I need another year of it
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: chat because I just as good as I think he is.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I still think a lot of it's on the floor.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Like I've just thought, he set him up so perfectly.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: If you look at a lot of those plays, it was
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: first read the guy's open, right, It's like the design
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: of the scheme really plays into that, which I probably
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: shouldn't do too much because I had Purty and Golf
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: in my top ten, which again which Rich said it's
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: a very fair point. But yeah, I just Jordan love
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: for me is right there, right. I probably have him
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: at twelve thirteen. His skill level was just out of
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: this world after the final seven weeks. But it's just
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I'm just not a full believer yet.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I should make a point. All of these guys to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: me are below Caleb Williams. I just want to be
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: clear about that. To me, this is like the ten
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: best quarterbacks other than Kayleb Williams. We're sort of playing
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: a game here because we know he's going to be
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the guy you bet on, you build a franchise around,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And honestly, Rich, no joke. If that's going to be
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: your criteria, why wouldn't Caleb Williams be on that list?
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: I considered it for winning a Super Bowl this year.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: So I originally was going to do starting a franchise, right,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: like yeah, like, and I actually was going to have
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Jordan Love and Caleb because I was factoring in age
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: like Stafford would. Then Stafford would get reduced, right if
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: I was building a franchise like I would, Stafford Old
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: probably only has what one two five years left, you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: depending he wants to play till he's like early forty,
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: so it'll be thirty six this year. Factoring in age,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: I definitely would have Caleb, like if I was starting
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: a franchise. Absolutely, I actually thought about that, just for
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: the hot takiness of having that be. You know, if
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: if I was a better brander, I would have done it.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: It was better at playing the game, you know it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Also, you're just you're not as emotionally attached to the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Bears as maybe one.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Hey, I tried to talk to you guys down from
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: justin Fields last year.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: There was no there was no yeah drank, Yeah, we're
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: both sitt one hundred and one tickets. I think of
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: that time they were down like fifty to one or sixty. Yeah, Well,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: we were just really feeling ourselves.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I was like cashing that ticket.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I was so ready to look so smart with Justin Fields.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: But now we look back and we're like, and I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: watch some highlights from last year and he's just not there,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and it's so uncomfortable and upsetting to watch it and
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: relive it in a way where like, I was so
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: invested and I wanted him to be so good, and
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: you watch him against compared to you with a CJ. Strouder,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: even a Jordan Love That Packers game was just heartbreaking
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: last year when you saw that he wasn't there. Listen, Rich,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: life is about learning, it's about evolving, right, and so
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: we've learned and that's why we got Kaylyn Williams. Would
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you say, Rich, is QB play improving or getting worse
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: overall in the NFL.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: I just had an article come out today on This
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: is a free article on the site and shows just
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: how bad the last two years have been, you know
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: for NFL. You know, passing offenses and a lot, a
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: lot goes into it, right, It's not really just one thing.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Obviously you add the seventeenth game, which means there's more injuries.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: I talk about, you know, how many quarterbacks have played.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: We're getting more quarterbacks starting than ever before. More offensive
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: linemen are starting than ever before. As a byproduct of that,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: which kind of goes into some things, offensive line continuity
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: has been at all time low. We've got this kind
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: of like current defensive meta. We've got kind of teams
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: playing a lot more you know, a lot more coverage,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: a lot more too high stuff. They're trying to make
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: you drive the field, not give up, you know, one
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: to two play drives. They want you to have seven
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: to eight play drives. They want you to make a
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: mistake on a drive. And like all these things kind
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: of are are playing into it. We're also seeing the
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know it's the facilitation of the college game
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: into the NFL, But so shotgun. The rate of plays
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: in the shotgun have gone up in the NFL, and
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: last year was an all time high. And when you
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: have the shotgun plays rise, you lose the under center
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: versatility of the play action. Last year, play action was
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: at all time low, and play action passing still remains
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: a cheat code, you know. Play action passes still were
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: uber successful the last two years, even though passing as
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: a whole was some of the worst we've seen in
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: the two thousands. So there's like all these like pulling
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: factors that go into it. But the NFL is trying
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: to be cognitizantves they know that scoring has been bad
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: the last year's they're, you know, hopefully the kickoff rules
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: maybe you know, elevates some scoring. Maybe the hip drop tackles,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: you know some you add some hidden yards in this
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: into this as well. But we have to be a
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: little bit concerned to where we are from a like
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: a current you know, defensive metastance, just because defenses are
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: kind of dictating the way the game is played now.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, more passes are being thrown behind the line
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: of scrimmage than ever before. Air yards that continue to
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: go down. They've gone down four years in a row.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: There's just like a lot of things here that are
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: like they are hard to see, like completely change. But
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: we've got a lot of good young quarterbacks. I think
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: in the ESPN article today, I think I read there
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: are only four starting quarterbacks this year in the NFL
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: that have won a Super Bowl, And that was like
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: mind blowing to me.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Wait a second, who would that be? It would be
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes obviously.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford, Russell Wilson, and I'm missing one.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: I think that's it.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: There's only four Aaron Rodgers, Rogers.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Getting that's a great point, and Rich everything you're saying
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: is brilliant and people should go check out the article
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: because your spot on and your stuff is so good
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and so clarifying. None of us talked about Aaron Rodgers
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and obviously massive risks coming back forty something years old
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: off the Achilles tendon tear. But it's interesting to me ESPN.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: You just mentioned ESPN they put out a quarterbacks list today.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: We did not plan on doing our podcast list at
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the same time in the same day, but they put
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it out. Their list had Aaron Rodgers. It feels a
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: little trolley to me, like Jet's bias Aaron Rodgers bias,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: like not really thinking about the game. What is both
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: of your takes on Aaron Rodgers on a list like this,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: either from Riches's perspective, which is winning a Super Bowl
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: in the next year or two, and our perspective, which
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: is a guy you don't want to bet against or
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: a guy you want to bet on. Simon you start, Yeah.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I would say Rogers is just East been. Putting them
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: in their top ten makes sense. I mean ESPN's whole
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: goal is for you to click on their products. The
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: reason they talk about the Cowboys and the Lakers every day,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: or the Yankees, whatever they do, it's just that's their
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: company's job. So yeah, Rogers in their top ten. Sure
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: you want to put a guy who hasn't played football
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: in two years, and you know he's forty one and
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: the last time we did se him play football first season,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: he was terrible, his worst season of his career.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: It all makes sense.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: But from my Betty perspective chat, you know, I'm high
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: on the Jets, and it's because to me, they have
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: the most complete team right now. I love their offensive weapons,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I love their defensive weapons.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: It's all there.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And I don't need Rogers to be a top ten
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: even a top fifteen quarterback. If you have him come
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: in and just be a Jimmy Garoppolo type, right the
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: guy that can make the right lead within the system.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: That's the best quarterback the Jets have had in thirty
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: forty years. I mean it really is, because his skill
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: level is just that high. Like when we're hoping we
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: have those little moments with flashes of Rodgers that he
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: is his old top ten self, but I don't think
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: that's gonna be consistent.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: He's just too old, Chad. There's just too much times past, right.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: So the fear I think would be for Jets fans
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: is you're gonna get to Sean Watson, a guy who's
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: clearly lost it mentally and.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: He can't find it again, like whatever. Whatever.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: The Deshaun Watson we saw in Houston has not been
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the guy we've ever seen on the Browns. That's the
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: fear for Jets fans. Just I can't see that with
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: with Rodgers. I just think he's not mentally weaked that way,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: and the skill is there just because he's aged out.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I think he's aged out of this top ten. He's
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: just you can't get back into it if he had
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: a good run. Do we really think the runs can
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: because of Aaron Rodgers just because the pieces around him.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm in sure here with rich things because
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I just I'm not it's not it's not really shitting
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: on the guy. It's just he's forty one. We haven't
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: seen him play fotball in two years.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, it's really what it was for me.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's why I kept him off, and we
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: really only seen one guy ever do this, even when
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: when I factor in just winning a super Bowl in
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: isolation this year, it's still betting on a forty one
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: year old quarterback, like there's only been one Tom Brady, Like,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: it's hard, it's hard to consider that we're going to
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: get another one. I would say, Rogers does seem to
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: have like that much spite in him though to to
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: like not be.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Exactly That's why.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: That's why it's like I don't want to I don't
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: want to bet against him like I would Watton, because
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: it's like there's no man more spiteful in football.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about clarifying Simon the way you just framed it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: A forty one year old guy who hasn't played in
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: two years, coming up from achilles injury, who's last season
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: was one of his worst. Yeah, And so I think
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: oftentimes with Rogers, you're so clouded by the talent and
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: what he can do as a quarterback.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, rich touch on football, the defenses that have
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: never been more athletic than they are right now.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Check.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Like when I talk to people in the league, they're
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: saying the football field has never been smaller. It just
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: is it's so small now because every guy is a freak.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: These d backs are all super long and fast. The
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: d ns are all running like four four forties. It's
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: like football has just evolved so much now that the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: defense have made the field so small with the cover
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: two style, where it's like that everyone's being treated like
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: they're mahomes now. Like Rich was saying, they want you
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to dink in dunk downfield. It's why you know a
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: guy like Jalen Hurts, not that I'm saying he's the
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: best deep thrower, he has opportunities to throw the ball
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: down the field because the Eagles are a run first team.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: There's not really any other teams like that, right, Like
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs are not a run first team. They're never
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: going to have the safeties coming down. So to Rich's point,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: it's just it's a different league and we'll see if
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Rogers can adjust to that, because just in three years,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: the league has has really changed since he's been a starter.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: And I wish I factored that into my Deshaun Watson
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: stuff from last year because I think when you look
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: at Deshaun Watson's play style, in a very similar fashion
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: to young Russell Wilson. It's just not conducive to ay
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: the league is playing right now. I mean you think
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: of Russell Wilson when he was absolutely thriving. I mean,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: no player would like extend plays. He wants a big
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: game hunt. He doesn't necessarily like throw in rhythm over
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: the middle of the field. And that's like where the
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: defense is. He they want to attack you now. They
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: want you to attack right now. They want you to
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: beat you. You have to beat them in the quick
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: game and over the middle of the field. And that's
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: kind of like Deshaun Watson like doesn't really have that either.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: And I wonder if like that the current defensive metas
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: kind of played a role just outside of the other
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: factors with Deshaun Watson as well.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Well, that's how good these athletes are. The NFL is
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: doing everything it possibly can to make it impossible for
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you to play defense, and they are so good at
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: it that even with all the rules against helping the defense,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: it's still changing the game so effectively that quarterbacks who
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: might have been great three years ago are not great now.
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  Speaker 1: how many good qbs are there? How many not sure yet?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: How many replacement level or worse?
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's interesting thing about this list, right,
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: because I said, I'm actually fairly nebulous, Like I don't
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: have a lot of pushback if that Trevor Lawrence isn't
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: on your list, even if you're going by the same criteria.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: I am right, Like, I think that that's already where
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: you like get to like a wide open area, like
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: what do we really have? And I thank God that
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: I'm not running into these franchises and have to give
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: out this money to these guys right that are in
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: kind of those limbo spots. I think it's very clearly
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: you've got like even though we list these guys one, two, three,
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: like Patrick Mahomes is widely number one, Like there's a
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: wide gap. You know, we're definitely in a zone where
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: he's in like a Jordan esque type ron and he
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: was mortal. Last year. The Chiefs gave you a chance
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: and they still won the Super Bowl last year. Like,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: you know it's good.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Did you watch like you watch? I don't know if
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: you guys watched Receivers on Netflix at all yet. And
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you know it's it's the same concept as the year
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: before with Quarterback the documentary with Mahomes and Kirk Cousins,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and this year it's Receivers. It's Devonte Adams and it's
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, and it's George Kittle and Deebo Samuel and
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: and i'man Russ Saint Brown. The physicality in these games,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: which we know about, it's nothing surprising, but when you
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: see the field level hits, these guys are all hurt
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: within two weeks, and not just like hurt, they are
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: physically transformed, like their ligaments aren't working. They can't lift
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: their arms, they can't move their feet, and they are
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: still going out there every week and playing. It is
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: a terrible game. I love it so much. It makes
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: me so happy, like I'm so excited for the season
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: to come back. But oh my god, the crunching of
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the bodies from these defenders on these receivers is nightmarish.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you can play this game.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: That's why we love it though, right ta they're gladiators.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: And I think even when you talk about quarterbacks, Kirk
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Cousins when he was on the show, The QB Show,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I think it was his wife was like wrapping up
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: the tape around in his like broken ribs, and it's like,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: you know, he's got a game in three days.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: What he was talking amount. It's just that's the crazy
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: mentality we think about. But you know, me and.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Chat talked about it, like you thought last year was
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: a down season, which I get. I can't fault you
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: for that. A lot of people thought last year was
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: a down season the NFL, just from the watching perspective, right,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: too much referee drama, not enough scoring, a lot of bs.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: But I always joke with people, especially when around my
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: friends where we've been drinking, I tell him, go go
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: look at two thousand. You think two thousand and seven
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: was a great year, go look at a top ten
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: list of the best quarterback from two thousand and seven.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Go look at those names, and it's just it's just
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: different now where I do think we are in the
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Golden Age. But it's just everything's gotten so much better.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: The coaching really has gotten so much better, where like
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: back in the day, there was maybe five six guys
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: that were pretty good. Now that I mean, we could
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: go through a list, like there's ten guys who were
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: all pretty good at this right, there's always these up
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: and coming young guys.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: With new ideas.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: So that's just my view of it where I agree
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: with what you're saying, Chad, that, like the the quarterbacking
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: play does feel like it's taken a step down, but
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I think it was because when you think of the past,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: the past will always be sweeter.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: When every you think of the past, it always tastes
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: a little sweeter.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: But you're thinking back to yeah, Rogers, you know, had
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: fifty touchdowns and four interceptions and Tom Brady had fifty
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: three touchdowns and ten ares. I'm just like, yes, guys,
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  Speaker 2: they all had peak seasons. I don't think we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get back to those days, right. I just think
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: the game has changed so much now that you know
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: we're talking about Stafford, go look at Stafford's numbers from
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: last year.
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  Speaker 3: Chat.
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  Speaker 2: He really wasn't that great because they were a run
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: first team, and like that's the thing. Now football's changed
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  Speaker 2: where it's like the teams have had to adjust to
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: this new cover two defense where it's like would you
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: rather throw the ball and risk it being taken picked
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: off or judge to run it and you probably get
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: four or five yards per carry just because the linebackers
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: have dropped back. So I do get where you're coming
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: from that there just feels like there's going to step back.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: But I just want people to remember it's like it's
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: just that good now. The quality of football is so
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: high right now that it just feels like the offenses
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: aren't as good. But it's like the defenses have changed,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Like you just don't see single high safety like Rich
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: has talked about Russell Wilson made a living off single
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: high safety when he had Beast Moode in the backfield.
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  Speaker 2: Those days are just gone, Like teams just aren't going
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: to be doing that anymore.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: And that's why you start to see I think this
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: extension of this Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, coaching tree continue
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: to get jobs in the NFL, and we had another
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: three guys get hired this offseason in Clint Kubiak, Brian
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Kyllahan and Zach Robinson. So we now have eleven teams
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: that either have their head coach or offensive coordinator from
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: that coaching tree, kind of leaving wow, which is basically
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: a third of the league. And it inerently makes sense
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: because you think of how teams are playing defense now
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: and what style of football, and there's some different different
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: differentiation between like the McVeigh and Shanahan offense, but both
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: of those teams want to they will exploit you. If
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: you want to play pass coverage, they will run the
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: football on you at their heart like in their in
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: their heart of hearts. They will pound you in the
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: run game and then they're gonna throw over the middle
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: of the field. Both of those, both of those systems
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: and the iterations of those systems like they attack the
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: middle of the field. And I think it's it's not
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: a coincidence that more guys from those coaching trees continue
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: to get hired.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Listen. I would also recommend show that I started watching
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