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#709 - Sirrealist Talks Frankie Pulitzer , Sobriety, Oxnard & Juggalos · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We got a special guest in here. Surrealist.
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  Speaker 2: Surrealist.
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  Speaker 1: In the building, man.
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  Speaker 2: It's cracking.
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  Speaker 1: Man, finally got you here. You just rapped and went
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  Speaker 1: fucking crazy. Yeah. So I didn't know this because you
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  Speaker 1: and I had been chatting, and I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: you would consider a doughboy, but whatever doughboy is, we
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  Speaker 1: have him in common. And we have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people in common, it turns out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is sick.
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  Speaker 1: But we ended up linking up, and I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: that you were a juggalo.
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  Speaker 3: Whoop, whoop.
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  Speaker 1: So you opened up for ICP.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my cousin, Gondre... He got that slot for
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  Speaker 2: that show.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: They put him on, and he's like, hey, you want
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  Speaker 2: to come do a song before ICP? And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: fuck yeah, let's do it. And I was like, there's
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  Speaker 2: no way none of these motherfuckers are going to get
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  Speaker 2: excited when I come out. Bro, as soon as I
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  Speaker 2: walked out to the stage, I seen everybody, and I
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  Speaker 2: look in the crowd, and everybody just starts getting fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, what the fuck? This is fucking wild.
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  Speaker 1: How do you get... Because I feel like the Juggalo
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  Speaker 1: world is a very... It's a very interesting place.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. My brother, Rudy, my older brother, he
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  Speaker 2: put me on ICP when I was a kid. And
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  Speaker 2: my cousin, Peter. And I grew up really liking their
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  Speaker 2: shit because I liked the beats.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then, like, honestly, there's, like, certain songs I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what the fuck? But there's songs that are, like, hip-hop
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  Speaker 2: as fuck.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Great Malinko, I think, is, like, peak ICP, obviously, right?
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  Speaker 1: Is that fair? Like, in terms of quality?
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: 100%. And I.
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  Speaker 2: Like, obviously growing up and then seeing The Gathering and, like,
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  Speaker 2: how they fucking treat certain artists at The Gathering.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They would, like, throw up.
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  Speaker 2: Fools would get fucked up.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the Tila Tequila?
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  Speaker 3: Bro.
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  Speaker 1: The ice face chick?
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  Speaker 2: Dude, she's... I hate that fucking bitch, but I give
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  Speaker 2: her props because they were fucking her up. Yeah. She
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  Speaker 2: was bleeding and she still kept going. And I'm like, damn,
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  Speaker 2: you have to be either, like, really down for your
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  Speaker 2: music or just a fucking crazy bitch to be doing
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  Speaker 2: that shit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when, you know, I got some homies in
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  Speaker 1: that world. Like Ritz and Jelly Roll used to do
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  Speaker 1: that shit all the time. So they used to just
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  Speaker 1: tell me about like how like there would be like
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  Speaker 1: a gangbang tent and like a drug bridge and like
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  Speaker 1: all kinds. And there was like some sick ass fool
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  Speaker 1: who like just like sits there and like licks on
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  Speaker 1: ladies feet.
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: I never got to go. Like there's like a foot
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  Speaker 1: clown there who like if you walk by like he'll
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  Speaker 1: just suck on your feet no matter how dirty they are.
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen some crazy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Gangbang TP, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: They literally have, like, ass-eating competitions and, like, dick-sucking competitions there.
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  Speaker 2: I swear to God.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, man. Shout out to the Juggalos.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's an unfair stereotype about their personal hygiene,
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  Speaker 1: but fuck.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it's wild. I mean, everybody sees the videos.
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  Speaker 2: They let people film everything there, so you see all
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  Speaker 2: the fucking gross shit, but it's tough.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I grew up, like, and my cousin worked for, well,
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  Speaker 1: he did some stuff for the Cottonmouth Kings.
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  Speaker 2: Sick.
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  Speaker 1: So like, you know, he had a plug on SRH.
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  Speaker 1: So when I was a kid, like I used to
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  Speaker 1: get free SRH shit.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck the SRH.
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  Speaker 1: That spade. And then like, you'd be able to, and
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  Speaker 1: you'd go and see these fools and you'd be like, dang,
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  Speaker 1: the live show's crazy. The music ain't crazy, but the
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  Speaker 1: live show's like pretty, they had Pakalika and all that shit.
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  Speaker 1: And then, and then I got to see ICP and
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  Speaker 1: I went to a tour. It was ICP, Tech N9ne,
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  Speaker 1: Bone Thugs, and Cottonmouth Kings.
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  Speaker 2: Holy fuck. Yeah. On the same show?
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  Speaker 1: On the same show.
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  Speaker 3: God damn.
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  Speaker 1: It was a tour, yeah. And that's where I, the Faygo.
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  Speaker 2: Thing, I was like, oh, this is crazy. Oh, in
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the set?
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  Speaker 1: Just throwing soda everywhere. I'm like, these sticky fucking white people.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, people live for that shit. They did it at
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  Speaker 2: the House of Blues when I performed that night. And
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  Speaker 2: I was in the front. They had just given me
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  Speaker 2: a dope-ass like, Juggalo jersey. And I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: wearing this shit. But fuck it, I walked up to
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  Speaker 2: the front and I was just, crazy because they started
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  Speaker 2: moshing so i walked right in the front i was
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  Speaker 2: like fuck i'm gonna fuck this jersey.
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  Speaker 1: Up yeah the sodas i feel like if i was
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  Speaker 1: a venue owner i'd.
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  Speaker 2: Be like hey guys they probably pay for that shit
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: yeah they have to because there's no way because that's
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  Speaker 2: right i would lose my shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah so you gotta clean up all this sticky syrup yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck all that but it's crazy i but you know
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  Speaker 2: what i feel like uh i fed i fed into
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  Speaker 2: it a lot like as a kid because i also
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  Speaker 2: grew up like in the hardcore scene so like on
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  Speaker 2: rock and shit right so that it was, that was
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  Speaker 2: like the same thing to me. That was like the
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  Speaker 2: punk rock of hip hop. Cause they're the outbacks, you know?
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  Speaker 2: So no, nobody, not everybody's going to like their shit.
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  Speaker 2: And majority of the people that like their shit are
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  Speaker 2: out of their fucking mind. And that's the cool part.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like, uh, I've met, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: met Violent J and he's been on the show a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times. And obviously, uh, I had them both
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  Speaker 1: together once. They're nice guys. And like, whatever you feel
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  Speaker 1: about their music, cause I'm not crazy about their music
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  Speaker 1: at all. Um, Fucking just changed the game when it
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  Speaker 1: came to the merch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, bro.
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  Speaker 1: And just the independent rap hustle.
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  Speaker 2: The merch line at the show that day never went down.
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  Speaker 2: It stayed throughout the whole, even their set. People waited
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  Speaker 2: in line during their set, and the fucking merch was
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  Speaker 2: just going. So I'm like, damn, these motherfuckers make so
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  Speaker 2: much money off this fucking merch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's like they ran so Tech N9ne
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  Speaker 1: could walk. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because Tech N9ne took it to another level, but it
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  Speaker 1: was without the ICP blueprint. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, they did the same thing with Psycho Realm,
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  Speaker 2: because even Sig Jackin told me they got the merch
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  Speaker 2: ideas and the way they sell their merch through Violent J. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because Sig Jackin and Violent J are really good friends.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to ICP. So you're from the 805. Is
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  Speaker 1: that where you claim?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm from the 805. I spent most of my
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  Speaker 2: life in Oxnard, and then the rest of my life
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  Speaker 2: in the Valley in L.A.
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  Speaker 1: So you grew up, I didn't know, but I know
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  Speaker 1: your pops. So your dad is a legendary radio guy.
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  Speaker 1: He had a radio show called Pocos Pero Locos.
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  Speaker 2: That's the guy.
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  Speaker 1: It's his birthday today. Happy birthday to your pops. So
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  Speaker 1: him and his ex-wife, Kool-Aid, who you grew up around, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: your stepmom, a former, they had a radio show called
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  Speaker 1: Pocos Pero Locos, which was very legendary. It started in LA,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a syndicated show that, It was all
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  Speaker 1: over the country and it broke all of the Chicano
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  Speaker 1: rap wave.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is sick because nobody was pushing that shit.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody. I didn't know who any of those people were
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  Speaker 1: until I was like, I used to board up their show.
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  Speaker 1: So I used to have to load the CD in.
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  Speaker 2: That's so crazy, bro, to hear that story. Because it
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  Speaker 2: is a reminder to me that sometimes people just don't
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  Speaker 2: give a fuck about us and we're boxed into a
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  Speaker 2: certain subculture as rappers.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just.
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  Speaker 2: They were a voice for people that like pretty much
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a voice at the time. And then obviously
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  Speaker 2: that comes with like controversial shit, but it's like, they
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  Speaker 2: did their thing and they'll be bad.
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  Speaker 1: That word.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't give a fuck.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was dope too, because like they, I,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, like, I feel like this was prior
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  Speaker 1: to us having the internet for real. Like obviously the
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  Speaker 1: internet was around, but it was prior to there being
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  Speaker 1: like social media for real. Like my space was around,
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  Speaker 1: but like it wasn't, it wasn't the same. So like
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  Speaker 1: discovering artists literally what happened to radio. So it's like, Yeah, like, SPN,
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  Speaker 1: Lil Rob, uh, The Criminal Fool, all them fools, the
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  Speaker 1: high-power fools, they were all being broken on Pocos.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were being broken through Pocos. My favorite, I
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  Speaker 2: have to say, like, my favorite Chicano rappers from those
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  Speaker 2: times was, like, Mr. Shadow and fucking Slow Pain. Because
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  Speaker 2: they were dope, like, they were dope rappers. They weren't just, like,
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  Speaker 2: gangbanging on songs. They were actually spitting shit. And a
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  Speaker 2: lot of my influence actually comes from Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Shadow.
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  Speaker 1: I liked Big Gemini.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck.
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  Speaker 1: Big Gemini had, he had a cool voice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Big Gemini had a sick-ass voice. And, uh, Damn,
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  Speaker 2: there's another guy. He did a song with Mr. Shadow
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  Speaker 2: back in the day, too. I forgot his fucking name.
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  Speaker 1: What was the bro from San Diego?
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  Speaker 2: Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Owl? Something Owl?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Night Owl.
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: Night Owl.
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  Speaker 2: Night Owl, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody was Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Daddy, I'm in love with a girl. Dude, that fucking
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  Speaker 2: song was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I'll put a hole inside your brain.
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  Speaker 2: Like, talking to his fucking chick. Fuck that.
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  Speaker 1: Craziness.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you could see, like, a lot of
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: that stuff didn't age very well. But, like, Little Rob
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  Speaker 1: has some songs that aged very well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, bro. I mean, you fucking... you go, you go
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: to a Chicano party, you're going to hear Lil Rob
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  Speaker 2: no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: Summer nights, dog.
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  Speaker 2: That's, that's just, it's a classic.
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  Speaker 1: For you, like growing up around that, like what kind
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  Speaker 1: of pushed you into the direction of like being a more,
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: obviously you have the hardcore influence, but obviously you're a very,
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: I would say hip hop rappers, rapper.
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  Speaker 2: Um, well, like I grew up doing graffiti. Yeah. I, my,
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  Speaker 2: my brother's a graph writer, you know, and, um, my
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  Speaker 2: dad's always kind of kept me in spots where I
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: was surrounded by graffiti writers. So I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: those motherfuckers were like bumping atmosphere and idea and abilities
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  Speaker 2: and shit like that. My favorite rapper of all time
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  Speaker 2: is Idea.
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: Idea's dope.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. And, you know, also like having the heavy
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: Chicano influence because of my dad's show, it's just, it
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  Speaker 2: was cool because I was able to, I was able
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  Speaker 2: to mix it because like, I did a lot of
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  Speaker 2: gangster shit like growing up with music.
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  Speaker 1: Got it. But I was always like, Trying to bring
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  Speaker 1: the two worlds together.
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  Speaker 2: Punch lines. Fucking double entendres.
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  Speaker 1: Just shit that.
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  Speaker 2: A rapper's rapper would do. I don't like to classify
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  Speaker 2: myself as that, but it's, like, it's true. Like, I don't...
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  Speaker 2: I like showcasing my abilities. Like, I don't really give
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  Speaker 2: a fuck about, like, doing what people want to fucking hear. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I do it for myself, bro. Like, I've worked my
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: whole life, like, a regular job. And I've always made
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: the same music and I never really like, Oh, this
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  Speaker 2: is what's in now. So I'm going to do this,
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  Speaker 2: you know? So, and it's also just like, I think
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  Speaker 2: the graffiti, the graffiti influence was for sure. Like you
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  Speaker 2: got to stay true to yourself and, All that kind
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  Speaker 2: of shit.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and L.A. had like a dope bubbling scene, too. Like, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Merce was doing shit with Slug and Felt Albums and
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: Dilated and J5.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: L.A.
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  Speaker 1: Had such a dope underground scene, too. Like, if you
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: were tapped in Southern California.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: It had a way. Yeah, hell yeah. I mean, Evidence, too, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mr. Slow Flow, baby.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, dog.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: Weatherman LP.
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  Speaker 2: Super super heavy influence on me obviously because like the
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  Speaker 2: graffiti culture and then like being in la.
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: You're my best friend in the world uh my best
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: man at my wedding is raka from dilated.
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  Speaker 2: So i've been around since i was 12 damn that's
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  Speaker 2: crazy yeah he's hopping on uh me and static iris
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: signs yeah oh dope me and static are putting together
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: a project and uh i sent him one well dough
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: boy sent him one of the joints is like, he's
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: doing his verse. And I'm like, okay, well, we'll see
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: if that happens.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: I heard Double A gets you M & M verse
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: if he tries hard enough. I mean, Kid Rock got one,
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  Speaker 1: so I think he'd be all right.
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I could do it. I could pull
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: a fucking M & M verse, I think, for sure.
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: All right, man, NBA season is back. It's my favorite sport,
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: so I'm super excited. Of course, Koushi, man, we could
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• 11:46
  Speaker 1: This season, there are so many storylines. How's LeBron and
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: the 76ers going to mold together? They just beat the Knicks.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: Will the Knicks be able to repeat?
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Ball. That is a hell of a
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: one-two punch in Minnesota. How are the Lakers going to
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: play with all the whites? Who knows? And I also,
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you the team, I think that
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: Not enough of us are talking about, and that's the
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers. Tyrese Halliburton's return. Look, basketball season is back.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: And on Couchy right now, since it's early in the season,
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  Speaker 1: I think we got to get in on some of
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: this MVP awards right now, man. Look, Victor Wemignana right
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: now is the favorite to win the MVP. He's trading
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  Speaker 1: at 32% on Couchy. I'm liking Luka to win the
• 12:32
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• 12:37
  Speaker 1: at 13% to win league MVP. I think he might
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: lead the league in scoring this year. I think he
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: might average a triple-double or close to it this year.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: And I feel like the Lakers... Well, I just dropped something.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: The Lakers are going to be an incredible regular season team.
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to crash out in the playoffs. But, man,
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: Luka at 13% on Kalshi. It feels good. And I
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: got to give a shout out. Now, if you guys
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: don't know, I am a Giants Suns fan. Can we
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: talk about how petty our guy Dylan Brooks is? Dylan Brooks,
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: all-time petty bruh. I don't know if you guys saw
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: his hate for LeBron.
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: Are you tired of hearing about the greatest basketball player
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: of all time? where he goes, what team is he
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  Speaker 3: playing for this season, what ridiculous new product he's endorsing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Then you need the King Blocker 9000.
• 13:22
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• 13:59
  Speaker 1: You've been putting out music. We'll get to the Static
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: album that you're working on. But you just dropped a
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: record with Frankie Pulitzer.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we just did a song last month.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: Obviously, he just did a whole album with Zarface.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: It's going crazy. And there's speculation about who the man
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: behind the mask is.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: It's Frankie.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: Right. It's not Venom.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: Who? I don't know who Venom is. Venom. No idea, bro.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: So have you got to hang out with Frankie?
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: We haven't met in person.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, but you guys have chopped it up. So how
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: does Frankie get hip to you? And how do you
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: guys end up making music together? Because he's a busy guy.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Mobland season two just dropped. And I heard he likes
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: to watch it.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: He watches the show a lot but he doesn't like
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: the the dude tom oh yeah at all for sure
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: um but dude it was just we had followed each
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: other on social media already and i had no idea
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: that he was fucking dropping music and then i seen
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: i seen the project with was our face and i
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: was like dude you're super dope at fucking rapping like
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: what the fuck and i sent him a joint and
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: literally like 45 minutes later, he sent me back two verses.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: What the fuck?
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Like, two different verses. He's like, hey, pick one. And
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: then we had the joint ready for this month that's
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: coming out. And I was like, hey, I'm going to
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: just put that verse over this fucking beat so you
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: don't have to record a different verse. So we ended
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: up putting the whole topic together based on his verse.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: And then Sig Jackin ended up doing the hook on
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: it and fucking, dude, the record's sick.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's got to be kind of crazy to
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: get in with a guy like Frankie.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Frankie. Yeah, he's... It's a trip, bro, because... A lot
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: of his fans follow me on social media, and I
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: get DMs all the time just because of him. And
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: it's the most annoying shit.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: What do they ask?
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Who he is, and is it really him? Yeah, and
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, dude, I know Frankie. Me and him
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: have even had some super in-depth conversations because he's a
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: sober dude.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, he is?
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I've seen that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: You know, there's times where I'm like, I don't want
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: to bug my fucking sponsor because he's probably sleeping.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: So you're talking to Tom Hardy? Talking to Frankie about...
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: About staying sober?
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: About, like, staying sober in AA meetings. That's fucking crazy.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bro.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: It's cool. He's a really fucking solid guy because.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: So, how long have you been sober?
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have two years December 17th.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Off of liquor?
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Liquor, blow, everything.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: So you had a bad... Just kind of a bad
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: go at all of it.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, bro. Yeah. Like, blow was worse for me
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: just because I quit drinking. And then I was still like...
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Do coke. Yeah, which was fucking stupid as fuck.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Did you used to associate the two? Like, if I
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: get drunk, I'll do blow.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Nah. It was always like.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: We got a buddy of ours who's just in here
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: who just, you know, his cocaine problem apparently is connected
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: to his alcohol problem.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: That's most people. But, you know, it was.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Nah, fool, I don't have a coke problem. I only
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: sniff it when I drink.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I just like the way it smells.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Says Alexis.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: But, you know, it was really hard for me at first,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: you know, because I was just, like, doing stupid shit
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: and damaging, like, people's fucking lives.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, dude. I mean, I grew up around
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: drug addicts, alcoholics in my house, and that is the.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, balance.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: It's like, fuck what you got going on, because you're
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: obviously ruining your life, but you're also ruining everyone's lives.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the one person it never affected was my kid,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: because I would never be drinking or doing anything around her.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: But obviously, my relationship was getting fucked up.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: But it indirectly affects your kid, because if you know
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: you're on a sick one, then you're like, I'm not
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: going to be around the kid. So it takes away
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: from the time, you know?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: It took a lot of... Letting my emotions eat at
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: me and, like, dealing with it as a person instead
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: of dealing with shit, like, as a fucking drug-fueled dickhead. Right.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: But it, you know, taught me a lot. Being sober,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: going through, like, some of the shit I'm going through
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: now is, like, difficult. But it's cool, like, you know.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Because you used to just be able to check out.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's not even, like, being checked out and doing, like,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: fuck shit, getting drunk. It's, like, I'll get drunk, do blow,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: go do graffiti. Like, just not do crazy shit like that.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: But it's just... Now I have to deal with this sober.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I hit up my sponsor every now and then. I've
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: been on the road a lot recently, so it's just
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I don't get to see that motherfucker that much. Shout
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: out to fucking Pauly. But I've been good, and being
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: sober helped me out a lot. And obviously some of
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the conversations I've had with Frankie helped me out too
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: because for that motherfucker to be sober is just crazy
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: to me. And to be active in the AA.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say for you is because
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I grew up around AA a lot, been to a
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: lot of meetings. It is a it's obvious you will
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: hear like people have mixed perspectives about the program. And,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you know, it's obviously a faith. It's based in faith. Obviously,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you don't have to be religious to be in the program.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: But it's been like the like you're obviously the steps
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: have helped you and. Did you like work the steps
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and all that?
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Well, me and Pauly have not worked. We haven't worked
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: my steps together yet, but I've read the big book
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: like three times already. Okay. And I've read over every
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: step myself. I've done the steps myself, but I told
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Pauly like I want to work.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Because you're supposed to do it with your sponsor, right?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: But I didn't have a sponsor before him and I
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: was in AA for almost a year already. So it's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: just kind of like.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Do you share in the meetings?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, I speak on panels and shit. Oh, dope. Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: It's a rehab facility in Santa Monica. I've done a
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: panel there. And then I want to start doing the
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: panels in the prisons. Yeah. But it's just... I'm not
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the dude that... like, yeah, my life is so fucking
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: great now, or I don't talk about using drugs heavily.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I just talk about, dude, you have to focus day
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: by day. If you really want this shit.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: It's a day by day struggle.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: If you really have a fucking issue with drugs, it's
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: not a long-term goal to fucking stay sober. It's like tomorrow. Yeah, bro.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Let me get through today.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: That's exactly how I feel. But honestly, I put that
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: shit in the music, bro.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Like, I deal with the music shit the same way. Like,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: how it came about, like, the shit with me and Static. Bro, for, like,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a month, I was telling Doe where I was like, hey, yeah.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: That's got to be fun to be sober around Static.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It actually is, bro.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Because you're a spectator now.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's cool, though, because it's like.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Because Static, he drinks like a fish.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And I'm able to keep, like, the energy.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. Because I feel like sometimes people will, like...
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: have self doubt about whether they're still a vibe or not. Yeah.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be the party pooper, bro. Everyone's
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: getting fucked up.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Nah, fuck though. I'm fun, bro. Like that. I feel
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: like I'm fucked up when I'm out with these fools.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't have to go get drunk
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: and shit.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Are you California sober or sober sober?
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sober sober. I don't do shit, bro.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Because you know there's people like.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I just hit nicotine vapes. That's like the one thing
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I can't fucking stop.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: The nicotine vapes.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: They say that. What's that girl's name? Selena Gomez said
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: that they changed her voice, the vapes. She can't sing
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: anymore because she vapes so hard.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: It's fucking bullshit.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: She also was blowing that bruh. What's the bruh's name?
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: The real ugly producer? He's a beautiful man, Vinny. Benny Blanco.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: That could be why her voice changed, because she's had
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Benny Blanco's cock down her throat.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Probably. I don't see why that wouldn't be the case.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Obviously, man, growing up, you had to have had a
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: bunch of influences in terms of musically. Your rap style
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: in particular, who would you attribute most of your influence?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Where are you pulling from, you think?
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I grew up listening to a lot of Idea, Evidence...
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Sean Price.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Sean P. Rest in peace.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Rest in fucking peace.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I think most underrated rapper of all time.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, bro. And then also like a lot of
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Chicano rap, like Mr. Shadow. Shit we were talking about earlier.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Even Little One. And my uncle Mad Dog, he passed away,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: but he's a dope ass rapper from Oxnard too. But it's,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I can't even really say where my style comes from.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I just, I'm not saying it's not influenced by people.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I just don't know where to like directly put it.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Did your pops, like, was he trying to pull you, like, hey, son,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I got all these plugs in this world, so if
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: you want to do this thing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Nope.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He just let you do your thing.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: He's never once been like, here, let me give this
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: My dad is.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Like, yo, son, do you want to work with Mr. Fingers?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Nope. Dude, my dad is... He's not like a Chicano Mexican.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: He's like traditional Mexican.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's super... He's not the... Like when I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: met him, I was like, oh, fuck, bro. I was
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: listening to you.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very like get it out the mud. Like
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: if you can't do it yourself, then I don't know
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: what to tell you. Figure it out. Which is cool, though,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: because it's like... I feel like if I was kind
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: of like a fucking Nepo baby.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I probably would have fell more into like the Chicano
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: hip hop shit and been like, OK, I'm.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Going to just go with this lane because it's easier.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But fuck all that shit, bro. Like not in
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a bad way. Right. I'm my own person. And my
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: dad knows that. And I put my dad through a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: lot of shit because I'm a fucking dickhead. I grew
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: up doing graffiti like obviously my dad.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: We were getting arrested a lot doing graffiti.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Uh as a kid i got caught once and they
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: sent me like to some graffiti action program and all
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: this shit yeah i got arrested ironically at fucking venice
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: beach where the walls are legal but they had like
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: seen my they seen me doing my name bro i
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: was like fucking 13 right and my dad was dude
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: he whipped my fucking ass but as i got older.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And venice beach i feel like it's fair game.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: That's that's what i thought and at the time i
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: guess you had to get a permit And I was like,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: what the fuck? So they arrested me, put me in
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that program, and then I got older, and my dad
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: knew I was going to keep doing graffiti. Obviously, he's
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: not proud of it, but I think he just learned
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: to like, yo, that's what you do. That's what you do.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you shit.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of the elements of hip-hop, man. Yeah,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's fucking crazy to me, bro.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Do you still tag a lot or do murals or anything?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Fuck murals. I do tag a lot, and I do
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: paint a lot, yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I try to tell people like, Gorilla Nims was out here,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: who you probably hung out with a lot. And if
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you've been to Static's Bar, a sober guy, which is random,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but he is sober. But he came to LA and
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: he tagged the Welcome to Compton sign. And people wanted
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: to kill him.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's shit you don't do.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Right, but in New York, New York's approach to graffiti
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: is a lot more different than LA's approach. Because I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: feel like New York is like, the birthplace of hip-hop
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: graffiti is a lot more widely accepted and it's not
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: necessarily correlated to gang culture as to where out here
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: depending on where you're tagging yeah it's some gang shit.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I've been shot at by dudes from like ms and
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: shit tagging koreatown right yeah so it's it's definitely a
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: different ball game but new york there's definitely a lot
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: of rules out there um Last time I was out
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: there to go see Static, I was kicking it with
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: my homies from DMS. Shout out to my homies Gamdust
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and Danny Diablo. But they were basically walking me around
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: telling me, oh, look, you can't paint over this. You
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: can't do this and this. And I'm just like, all right, cool.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: But you can fuck up everything else. And they're like,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I'm down. Shout out my homie MQ, too. He's in
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: New York, too.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. Because I was like, yo, Nim, this
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: was like 2018. I was like, bro, you cannot. You can't. Dude,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: fuck your life on the Compton sign.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: That shit's crazy.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: They're going to kill your ass. That's a crazy one.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Fuck that. I would fucking, I'd run.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: In the Valley, I feel like we have a lot
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of the Mexican gangs, like North Hollywood Boys and shit,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: will always be hitting our walls and shit. And I'm
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: just like, fuck, man. There's nothing I can do about it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: They're everywhere. There's a lot of dope-ass graffiti artists from
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the Valley. A lot.
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• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Let's get back into the interview. So tell me about
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the Static album. Is it done?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like five songs deep in it. I'm taking my
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: time with it. Usually I'm very like, I got to
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: get shit done. But what me and Static agreed on
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: was like, we're going to get this done. And then
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: if we're going to release it, we got to find
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: a fucking distro for it. Right, right, right. Which is
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: cool with me, bro, because it's just like, you could
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: have just told me, no, we're not doing a project.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: But it was, I liked the way that he approached it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And it gave me a task to like, not only
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: do I have to complete this project, but I have
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: to find the distro, which is fucking cool.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: You got to find a home for it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And which is dope, because I do like networking. I
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: like chopping it up. Like, I'm good at that kind
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: of stuff. but that is also what Doughboy's going to
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: be helping me out with, and if he doesn't, I'm
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: going to fucking fire his bitch ass.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: When you put music out, like right now, are you
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: just doing Distro Kid, or how are you dropping, like?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: No, I go through The Orchard.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad did help me out with that one.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Fire.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my dad has a deal with The Orchard,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and he was able to create my sub label.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Is your pop still doing music stuff?
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing a lot. He engineers and produces, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: he releases a lot of shit. He films the music
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: videos for his artists. He does everything on his own, bro.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Who are his artists?
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of, like, regional Mexican stuff. And then
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: he's doing some stuff with Stephanie Soul, who's an artist
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: from Bakersfield.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard that name.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's dope. Kern County. Yeah, her style is pretty
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: fucking dope. She's sick.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: What's it like having Kool-Aid as a stepmom growing up?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Wild. Wild.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Because Kool-Aid is a friend of the show.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: She used to have a studio here.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: She's back on her shit.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: But having Kool-Aid as a stepmom, what's that like?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: You know, growing up, it was really cool. And I
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: also think, like, I made it tough on her because
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: she was my stepmom. So, like, there was a lot
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: of the times we didn't get along. It was because of, like, me.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: But, you know, she is a good person. Um, and
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: she's back out there doing her music shit. And I'm
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: very like, I'm, I like being ducked off, you know.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: She's gotta be kind of proud of you too, to
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: be like, yo, you're doing your thing.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, no, she, she, she definitely is. It's, uh,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: you know, it's, it's, it's been rough since like they,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: they separated. So it's kind of like, I think we each,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: have to set our own boundaries now, you know what
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I'm saying? But not in a fucked up way.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: It's just like... It just is what it is.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And because I don't want to like disrespect my father.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Of course. I also don't want to disrespect her because
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: she did raise me.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: So it's just... It's not rough because I go and
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: see her like I have no fucking problem. Right. I
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: was whipping around her fucking Cybertruck the other day, dude. Nice.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: So it's just... It was dope, you know, having her
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: as a stepmom for sure. And then, like, I was
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: always going to Power 106 as a kid and being
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: exposed to that kind of stuff. It had to be
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: cool going to Power 106. Yeah, it was really dope. And,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you know, I made a lot of, like, friends there
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: as a kid.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Did you meet Big Boy as a kid?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: That's my fucking dog, bro. Every time I see him,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: he looks at me like, oh, shit.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: But I don't ever, like, those people, I don't ever
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: chop it up with my music about them, bro. I'm just,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I catch up and that's it. Like, I don't want
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to use that shit as, like, a. fucking step a
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: stepping stone to like get somewhere right right right because
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: it's just like while i was doing all this cool
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: shit like with my dad and kool-aid like i was
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: also with my biological mom who was like struggling to
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: fucking find a place to live and living check to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: check and right you know growing up in a gang
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: neighborhood it was it was rough.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: What yeah because there's two big gangs in oxnard.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Right yeah so there's el rio and then there's there's colonia.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So which one is the one, because one of them
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: wears the Cowboys and one of them wears the White Sox, right?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Well, there's Raiders and then there's White Sox. So the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: White Sox are the Southsiders. Raiders is El Rio. Cowboys
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: is Colonia.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I grew up in El Rio.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: So your neighborhood is what hat?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Raiders.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Raiders, okay.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy because I was, back in the day, well,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say back in the day, but my default
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: hat to wear for like, 20 years was just a
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: white socks fitted. So I remember I went to Oxnard
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to meet with big bear and I had a white
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: socks hat on and they're like, yo, you got a
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: white socks hat on that. Just don't go anywhere over here.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, it's a white socks hat.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: And then, then, and then when I found out that
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: was the Cowboys hat was a thing. I was like, yo,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: but the Cowboys do their fucking training camp here.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: There's Cowboys fans.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Oxnard's a fucking crazy place. It's a small place, but
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: it's a crazy place.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: It is, too. And it's like, if you ever just
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: drive around Oxnard, first of all, obviously, it's like the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: lettuce capital of the fucking world. So it's like farm
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: workers everywhere. Farmland is fucking everywhere. And it just feels
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: like a pretty gnarly little town.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, bro. I've been through a lot of
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: shit with... You know, growing up where I grew up
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: and then, like, getting into shit with, like, folks from
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: other neighborhoods. I've seen a lot of shit, but it's funny, like,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: now that I'm, like, growing up and everybody's adults, like,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: we're fucking homies.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: It's, like, obviously, like, a town built on, like, farm
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: workers and farming and, like, all that shit.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of those gangs are, like, really old. Like,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: they're really old school, traditional, like, Chicano gangs. Right. Fucking crazy.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. And then Ventura's so nice.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Ventura's sick.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Ventura's so sick.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I told my wife, I was like, yo, if this
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't so far, we could just live over here and
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: just drive every day.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I want to move to Ojai. That's where I want
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: to live.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: It's like a little past Ventura.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: There's like a lot of farmland and shit there. Johnny
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Cash used to live in Ojai.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, fire.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Well, that's like Oxnard's, well, Oxnard Ventura is also very
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Hell's Angel-like.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: It's very mongols now well it used to be yeah
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: back in the day yeah well i my mom uh
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: she used to live in ventura and it was it was.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: All the old biker bros that you see on vlad always.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Talk about like yeah the ventura the ventura clubhouse it
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: was right right there on the avenue um.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: And they're out outside with it because i grew up
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: in a biker neighborhood and they had a clubhouse that
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: was painted and it was like oh that's the house.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah they uh I mean, I don't know too
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: much about that club because I have family members that
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: are Mongols and shit. Yeah, my cousins and shit. But
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: that was never really, like, I didn't give a fuck
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: about none of that shit until, like, I got older
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: and then I was kicking it around my cousins and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: they introduced me to a lot of people from the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: club and then I became close with a lot of people.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the motorcycle club shit is crazy because it's, like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: it's its own, like, obviously, being from the streets and, like,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: certain areas of town, like, you're, like, used to, like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Gang banging in a certain way. But the motorcycle gang, bro,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, because my uncle used
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: to run with this, he used to sell drugs for
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: this motorcycle gang called the Dirty Dozen. And they were
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: at war with the Hells Angels in Phoenix. And the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Hells Angels won. And they made everybody either flip patches
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: or they got killed. So a lot of random Dirty
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Dozen fools got smoked or they had to become Hells Angels.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Fuck all that shit, bro.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And then you watch like Sons of Anarchy and you're like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: oh my God, this is crazy. So many of these
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: people remind me of people I grew up around. I
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: was like, the biker shit is wild though. Cause it's
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: like them fools definitely like, I don't know what they're
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: up to nowadays. Obviously I don't want to speak on them.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Cause I know I've had Hells Angels reach out to
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: me like, yo, you can't talk about that shit on
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the podcast. But it's just interesting. It's just different. It's different.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: But you know, those guys don't play. The Mongols don't play.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: It's a major respect thing, bro. You show respect to
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Mongols and you get respect. I have a lot of
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: friends in that club now, and they're fucking great people,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: great fathers, great family members.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: For sure, 100%. We have a very close friend who
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: might be a Mongol who's also useless and not here. Yeah,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: of course. Of course. Where would he be at? He's
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: probably eating.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: For sure he's eating.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: All right, so you got this album on... Are you dropping...
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: You got the new record with Sick Jacket and Frankie
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: coming soon?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: That one's actually dropping.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Probably tonight?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Thursday?
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Two days.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Thursday night?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Three days, yeah. Oh, two days, yeah, two days.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Thursday night, 9 p.m. PST?
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Are you going to drop another body of work or
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: anything prior to the Static album, or are you focused
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: on finishing that?
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: So me... The plan with me and Static is probably
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: not going to happen until like maybe second quarter next year.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: But me and Sick Jacket actually have a.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Joint?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: A joint. No, a joint album together. Yeah. That's going
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: to be dropping at the beginning of the year. That's
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: got to be dope, man. And then we leave for
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: tour April and May to Europe and Central America. That's big.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: So it's like, it's perfect timing for the album to
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: drop and him taking me like under his wing.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: He's a legend.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Bro, he like put me in front of everybody's faces
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: and now I'm like.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: He's also, like, underappreciated in the ground. Like, I feel
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like Psycho Realm doesn't get the love that they deserve
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: in the big, big... I feel like here in L.A.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: they get a lot of love in the West Coast,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: but I feel like in terms of just, like, the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: landscape of hip-hop, like, they deserve a lot more love.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: That always tripped me out, because, like, dude, Jackin was producing, like,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: all their shit, and also, like, TRT, Rest In Peace,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and they built a whole fucking culture off of one album,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: pretty much, because, you know, dude got shot, and ended
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: up paralyzed, and Jack had to carry everything, and he
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: works his ass off. Dude, there's so much unreleased shit
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: that he showed me that I'm like, what the fuck? Oh,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I bet.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: He's just sitting there.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just likes to stay ducked out too.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: It's like all he has to go do is the
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: fucking sick Jack and tours in Europe, and he's good.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Is there a place you guys are going on tour
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: you're most excited to go that you haven't been yet?
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I haven't been to either of those places. I've never
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: been to Central America.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, you guys doing the Columbia run?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I think so. That'd be crazy. Yeah, we got the
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: block of dates. We just haven't got the actual... The
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: whole routing. Yeah, we haven't got the route yet.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: That'd be crazy.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: But I'm excited as fuck. I've never rapped overseas, so
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: it's just.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: You're like, yo, I'm getting out the country. Fuck it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: And he's the one who keeps telling me, after you
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: perform in Europe, it's over.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Just prepare yourself. Yeah, because then you're... I heard that
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: their fans are way... They're, like, less spoiled than the Americans. So, like,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: they appreciate the shit more and they're more, like, I've
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: seen it in Japan. Japan, obviously, different than Europe. But
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the way, like, they treat their artists or, like, if
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: you get some motion in Europe or Asia or one
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of these places that isn't the U.S., like, it could
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: change your whole shit and how you look at everything.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's how it happened with him. And it's,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: he just keeps trying to mentally, like, prep me for, like,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: You're going to be successful. You're going to be successful.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of shit coming your way. Just keep
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: your head down. Keep doing what you're doing.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: And then do the vinyl play. When you start seeing
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: that work, just start dropping stuff.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, dude, I did one vinyl run, and it
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: was an album that I was, like, never going to
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: put on DSPs. Bro, and they fucking sold out like that. Exactly.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, God damn.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll have fun. And then, obviously, I think your
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: songs with Frankie will help you in the UK.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they have majorly. Like, I've grown a, a big-ass
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: fan base on Spotify and Apple Music, bro. We dropped
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: that song, and my whole catalog went up by, like,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: tens of thousands of views.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And then, like, uh, if he ever, cause I know
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: somebody who he knows helped. So it was our face
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: get on the venom soundtrack.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: So if he ever, you.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Relationship, something that could, uh, he's going to bear a
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: lot of fruit.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: He's going to be out here in November for a
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: work trip.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: And me and him are going to go to the gym,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: to the jujitsu spot, and we're going to roll around
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: and fire.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Are you a jujitsu bro?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did jujitsu for a little bit. I gained
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: a bunch of weight, and I just lost weight again
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: this last year. But I stopped while I was a
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: fat piece of shit, but now I'm getting back into it.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: My son does it and does tournaments and all that shit.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's sick as fuck.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: It's like, it just looks so gay to me.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: It is gay.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: It's so gay.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: It's super gay.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: It's just fools on the floor, just.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Dick and face but it's like dude if you're gonna
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: punch me in the face like in real life i'm
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: gonna fucking lift you off your feet i'm gonna break
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: your fucking arm bro yeah i'm gonna take you down
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: that's not fun your arm i guess yeah that's real
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: but it's different when you like watch a competition and
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: it's two dudes rolling around and like.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: And it's so it's just so and just like oh
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: yeah and then you hear about fools getting like uh
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: what's that shit called when you get the when the
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: mats aren't closed or where the mats aren't cleaned Fools
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: will get that.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: The staff infection.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the staff infection.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, ugh.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck all that shit. And then you got to
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: kind of depend on whoever you're rolling with to, like,
• 40:41
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• 40:43
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  Speaker 1: No, it's a... Shout out to... Hey, but that's... How
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