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JD Vance on Rogan: Christianity; Capitalism?; Israel/Iran/Epstein | Yaron Brook Show · Yaron Brook Show

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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So today I decided to do something a
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  Speaker 1: kept him, probably, but I don't know. I would have
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  Speaker 1: to do a lot anyway. The interesting news today is
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  Speaker 1: going to be in a few hours, and that is
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  Speaker 1: going to be when President Trump gives.
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  Speaker 2: A speech to the nation.
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  Speaker 1: He really does this, almost never, right, gives a speech
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  Speaker 1: to the nation.
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  Speaker 2: He's giving a speech the nation.
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  Speaker 1: Not anyone. We're at war, and supposedly he's intensifying that war.
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  Speaker 1: Not about the economy, not about AI, not about all
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  Speaker 1: these things that I think wari Americans and concerning not
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  Speaker 1: about inflation what he plans to do about it. No,
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  Speaker 1: he's giving a major address to the nation today supposedly
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  Speaker 1: about quote election security, with the primary goal of, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: rehashing the twenty two any election and telling us again
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  Speaker 1: and again and again and again something that I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he even believed initially. I think he's come to
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  Speaker 1: believe it, because you can't lie this often without ultimately
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  Speaker 1: believing it that that election was stolen from him and
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  Speaker 1: using that as an excuse for who knows what. So
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  Speaker 1: I think the suspense is going to be tonight. What
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  Speaker 1: is he going to propose to make sure that the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six midterm election is quote fair safe, reflective
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  Speaker 1: of their voters. That's the scary part. So it's super interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to reading it later out because I
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  Speaker 1: can't stand to listen to the guy. So I will,
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  Speaker 1: I will, I will read it and we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that tomorrow, right, we'll talk about that tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: But that's really the item that the rest is Iran,
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  Speaker 1: same everything, same, Yeah, change the govermenty in Ukraine, that's new.
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  Speaker 1: But but yeah, by the way, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you saw President Trump's nominee nominee for Clayton for what
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  Speaker 1: is it intelligence? Director of Intelligence who was asked by
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  Speaker 1: a senator whether he could say that whether Biden won
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  Speaker 1: the election in twenty twenty or not. And the guy
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  Speaker 1: refused to answer the question. Refuse to answer the question,
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  Speaker 1: which is it's a funny video to watch. So you've
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  Speaker 1: got the head of intelligence, the guy who's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: bring in, integrate all the intelligence from all the different
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  Speaker 1: agencies and then present it to the president. We've got
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  Speaker 1: that guy basically being scared to death to offend Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump by saying something like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, by theen won the election, so he just doesn't comment.
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  Speaker 1: Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. All right, So we're gonna talk about
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  Speaker 1: javans today. This is our topic with Jady Vance did
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  Speaker 1: a three and a half hour interview three and a
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  Speaker 1: half or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Three Well, no, I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, almost three hours, two hours and fifty four minutes
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  Speaker 1: interview with Joe Rogan yesterday. It's rambling, it goes on.
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  Speaker 1: It's I mean, god is it's rambling. You'll see. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna I'm gonna you're gonna hear some
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  Speaker 1: of the rambling. Anyway. He talked about a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He talked about ten Commandments in public schools, about the
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  Speaker 1: role of Christianity. He talked about, you know, the the
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  Speaker 1: Israel manipulating American America against jd Vance, elements within the
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  Speaker 1: Israeli government, not the people he likes, the elements with.
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  Speaker 1: He's always about elements within the Israeli government who he
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  Speaker 1: never names. We know who they are, but he never
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  Speaker 1: names them. And then he talks about he talks about
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  Speaker 1: capital economics really and AI and anti trust and immigration
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  Speaker 1: and mail in ballots, of course, and then he has
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  Speaker 1: a whole rambling section. It just goes on forever on Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to cover some with this. We'll see
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  Speaker 1: afo we yet. I will play the video and I
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  Speaker 1: will comments, and we'll see how foll we go. Don't
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  Speaker 1: But asking questions is great because that way I'll talk
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  Speaker 2: I I I promise it.
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  Speaker 1: I promise it. So, uh, yes, so we'll we'll review
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  Speaker 1: JD Vance's interview with Joe Rogan and uh and go
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  Speaker 1: from there. And yeah, this is Joe Rogan that will
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  Speaker 1: not have me on because objectivism somehow it's not acceptable
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  Speaker 1: to him. He'll he'll he'll do any quarks, quack quacks,
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  Speaker 1: quacks quacks and vice presidents and stuff like that. But no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no objectivists. All right, let's stop. Yeah, we're gonna start
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  Speaker 1: with that think commandments. I think it's the shortest again.
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  Speaker 2: Because on and on and on and on and on
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  Speaker 2: and on, we're not.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna show the whole thing. I think he took about
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  Speaker 1: this for twelve minutes and Joe Rogan keeps hopping on
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  Speaker 1: it and the conversation really goes no way. But let's
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  Speaker 1: see a few things for jad Advance has to say.
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  Speaker 1: I have a feeling this one. I stopped like ten
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  Speaker 1: seconds in or something. Well, we there, we are, there's
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  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. You can see him hopefully, and you'll be
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  Speaker 1: able to hear him when I press play and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is uh a, what did I just do? What
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  Speaker 1: just happened? Huh wait, all right, let's uh let's first
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  Speaker 1: play and oops, if I need to put on the volume.
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  Speaker 1: There we go. We got volume and uh let's listen
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  Speaker 1: to uh to this. This is uh basically Joe Rogan
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  Speaker 1: pushing JD. Vans on the tank commandments. I mean, Werogan.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just say what I think in advance. Rogan
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  Speaker 1: is not smart. He's not a smart person. Uh he
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  Speaker 1: he he. He has things that he believes or holds,
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  Speaker 1: and he'll push on those things. And I think what
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  Speaker 1: makes him so big is that he's willing to ask
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  Speaker 1: anything and that he's you know, as smart as the
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  Speaker 1: average person, maybe less smart than the average person.
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  Speaker 2: So he's not intimidating because he's just not smart.
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  Speaker 1: And he asked questions and he addresses issues the same
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  Speaker 1: way I think average below average people do it. So
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  Speaker 1: he has a huge audience because those people can relate
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  Speaker 1: can relate to Wogan anyway, if you think he's smart,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong. But if I haven't seen any evidence
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  Speaker 1: that he is particularly intelligent, Okay, here we.
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  Speaker 3: Go lives, and that this is going to push people
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  Speaker 3: away from Christianity rather than con them.
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  Speaker 1: To pursue it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think you'd ever want to force
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  Speaker 4: things on people, and I do. Look, I think one
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  Speaker 4: of the core Christian contributions to Western civilization is the
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  Speaker 4: idea of freedom of religion.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually, oh my god, I mean he's got a
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  Speaker 1: whop up right off the bat. Oh my god. So
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  Speaker 1: the one of the gay contributions of Christianity Western civilization
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  Speaker 1: is the idea of freedom of religion. There was more
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  Speaker 1: freedom of religion in the Islamic world than there was
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  Speaker 1: in the Christian world. Christians, Christians, Christians ideal Christians persecuted
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  Speaker 1: Jews From very very early on. Christians persecuted each other.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, jed Evans until the eighteenth century,
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  Speaker 1: basically until the Enlightenment. Enlightenment, remember Enlightenment. Until the Enlightenment,
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  Speaker 1: Christians were killing each other because of disagreements about faith,
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  Speaker 1: by the gazillions, by the hundreds of thousands. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what was the thirty Year wore all about? Why did
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  Speaker 1: a third of the German population something like that die
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  Speaker 1: in this war because one were Protestants and one were Christian.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that is reflective of religious tolerance.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, indeed, much of the Enlightenment, or much of
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  Speaker 1: the Enlightenment project was motivated by motivated by the religious
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  Speaker 1: wars and how to end them? And how do we
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  Speaker 1: get out of this? And how do we get out
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  Speaker 1: of my faith versus your faith? And how do I
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  Speaker 1: convince you? Because it's based on faith, and the realization
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  Speaker 1: I think came to think is yeah, yeah, faith, Faith
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  Speaker 1: not a good not a good idea to argue about. Faith,
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of possibilities. We need reason. Reason should
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  Speaker 1: be the obituary of truth. Only then, only then did
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  Speaker 1: Christianity start accepting other religions. Enlightenment influence on Christianity, not
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  Speaker 1: Christianity's influenced in the Enlightenment. I mean, have you heard JD. Jed.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a well educated man, he's got a
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  Speaker 1: Yale A law degree. He's clearly smart. But has he
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  Speaker 1: ever heard of the Inquisition? Has he ever heard of
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  Speaker 1: the way the Christians, not Muslims, the Christian treated Jews
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  Speaker 1: in Spain, the Spanish expulsion of the Jews. Has he
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  Speaker 1: ever heard of? And he's Catholic. He's converted to Catholic.
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  Speaker 1: He's a converted Catholic. So this is part of his history.
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  Speaker 1: The Inquisition is part of his history. Is he heard
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  Speaker 1: of what you know, the Catholic Church did to people
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  Speaker 1: who they believed were not exactly interpreting the New Testament
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  Speaker 1: exactly the way the Pope in that moment was interpreting it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you were blunted, Steak. I mean, we could go on
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  Speaker 1: and another for hours about the lack of tolerance of
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  Speaker 1: religious differences within Christianity. So to name this as its
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  Speaker 1: major contribution to Western civilization is ignorant and deceptive, unbelievably deceptive.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the thing, right, here's the thing. He can
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  Speaker 1: say that to Joe Rogan and not get pushed back
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  Speaker 1: because Joe just doesn't know, right, I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: this is he should get pushback on this, and he's
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  Speaker 1: not going to because Joe just doesn't know. So he's
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  Speaker 1: just not I don't think he knows the history. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he thinks fast enough to ask a question
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  Speaker 1: about this. You'll see he constantly repeats the same question
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over again, because you can only
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  Speaker 1: think about one thing at a time. So this is
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  Speaker 1: propaganda one o one, propaganda one oh one. This idea
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  Speaker 1: that Christianity has been, you know, tolerant of other religions. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's been the exact opposite. It's murdered and slaughtered them
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  Speaker 1: over the slightest differences. It has persecuted Jews forever, it
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  Speaker 1: fought a crusade because it viewed Muslims as such, you knows,
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  Speaker 1: as a religion and anti God, religion that needed to
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  Speaker 1: be persecuted, that needed to be defeated, and suddenly that
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  Speaker 1: had no right to be.
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  Speaker 2: In Jewish the Holy City.
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  Speaker 1: So no, I mean again, everything, everything about this, everything
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  Speaker 1: about this is wrong. Long, long, long long. I mean God,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you got Church really only changed his attitude
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  Speaker 1: to a Judaism, for example, in the nineteen sixties, nineteen sixties, right,
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  Speaker 1: So that's a wappa.
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  Speaker 4: Of freedom of religion. It's actually very much a Christian
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  Speaker 4: idea because you recognize the dignity ofvich individual.
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  Speaker 1: Dignity vity individuals, including those that were blunt at steak,
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  Speaker 1: including those that helped beliefs difference than you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, every individual had, as.
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  Speaker 4: He says, recognizing that dignity is that each person has
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  Speaker 4: to find their own pathway to God. You can't force
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  Speaker 4: this on anybody.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, tell that to Charlemagne, who killed U
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  Speaker 1: was a four thousand and forty thousand. I can never
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  Speaker 1: get the number eight of apostates. I mean, it just
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  Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. The history of christian
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  Speaker 1: is the exact opposite of this. And you can say
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  Speaker 1: all those people distorted religion. Yeah, when Christianity had political power,
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  Speaker 1: from about three hundred and twenty till you know, the Enlightenment,
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  Speaker 1: Christianity had political power, It forced itself on people. It
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  Speaker 1: converted people by the sword, It killed people who didn't agree.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, right in the beginning, if you if you
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  Speaker 1: did not agree with the with the what was it
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  Speaker 1: called the thing in Niceeah, the you know where they
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  Speaker 1: all decided that, you know, God, you know, God, the Son,
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  Speaker 1: and the Holy Ghost were all the same thing and
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  Speaker 1: separate things at the same time. They decided the contradiction
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  Speaker 1: of that held. If you disagreed with that, you were
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  Speaker 1: in big trouble. Big trouble, and Calvin, Calvin Calvinists out there.
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  Speaker 1: Calvin executed somebody because they didn't quite agree on exactly
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  Speaker 1: the relationship between Jesus and God, And how godly was Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Was Jesus just God, It was Jesus equal to God.
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  Speaker 1: It was Jesus the son of God. You know all
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  Speaker 1: of that. Because that disagreement, Covid executed him. He was
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  Speaker 1: a friend of his, a colleague of his. And in
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  Speaker 1: Collage Geneva there was dogma, Christian dogma. But no, we
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  Speaker 1: don't force anybody to believe in our way of God.
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  Speaker 1: But if they don't, we kill him because we hold
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  Speaker 1: the dignity of each individual. Where does that even come from?
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  Speaker 1: Where is that in the history. You can say that,
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  Speaker 1: you can claim it's in the scriptures. You can argue
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  Speaker 1: that that's the true interpretation of Christianity, grant you all
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  Speaker 1: of that. But when it came the actual practicing it,
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  Speaker 1: when it came to Christianity being the dominant religion and
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  Speaker 1: the dominant political power, that was not what was practiced.
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  Speaker 1: That was not what was practiced. All right, give me
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  Speaker 1: one second more than on getting hot in the room.
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  Speaker 1: It's summer, and my window over here faces the sun,
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  Speaker 1: and even though it shades down, it heats up the room.
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  Speaker 1: So I have to make the air conditioning even colder.
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  Speaker 2: Let's keep going.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think putting the Ten Commandments up in school
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  Speaker 4: is like forcing things on any but it's public schools.
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  Speaker 1: It's public schools, that's right, it's the government doing it.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, if you're going to do that, why
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  Speaker 3: not put Buddhist scripture, Why not put you know, you
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  Speaker 3: Muslims stuff. You could you could you could make an
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  Speaker 3: argument why you should have a bunch of different religious
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  Speaker 3: tenets in school, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think in this but it's that really the best argument
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  Speaker 1: against putting up to Tank Commandments in school is that
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  Speaker 1: you should have a bunch of other you know, mystical
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  Speaker 1: mythical stuff up on the wall.
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  Speaker 4: Supreme Court. There actually are a lot of different sort
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  Speaker 4: of historical, cultural legal documents to anyone to say that
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  Speaker 4: Moses the Tablet is one of them. But I think
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  Speaker 4: there actually are other cultural and maybe even other religious
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  Speaker 4: elements of this, like where you recognize that a big
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  Speaker 4: part of sort of the law giving tradition in Western
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  Speaker 4: civilization is the is some of these religious texts, not
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  Speaker 4: exclusively Christian religious texts, obviously some Jewish, there's like an
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  Speaker 4: important contribution from the Muslim world in this. So I
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  Speaker 4: don't I guess I don't think of it.
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  Speaker 1: As Yeah, you know, Thomas says tank Commandments also Muslim
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  Speaker 1: they are, and he never says this is also Jewish
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  Speaker 1: Ocean Muslims. You think that JD.
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  Speaker 2: Events would be quick enough, smart enough to say.
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  Speaker 4: That exclusionary while also recognizing that, you know, America is
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  Speaker 4: a society. Here, your founders were people who were very
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  Speaker 4: much influenced, even if they weren't Christians.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of them, of course, were noticed. How carefully
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  Speaker 1: he is in his formulation here, he's very very careful.
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  Speaker 1: This is not what he says when he's speaking to
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  Speaker 1: the National Conservatives or the Christian Conservatives. So here, Joe Rogan,
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  Speaker 1: he's very careful in how he states.
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  Speaker 4: That were very influenced by in Christian culture and articulating
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  Speaker 4: American law. So my argument would.
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  Speaker 2: So Christian culture and articulating American law.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I think many of them
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  Speaker 1: were clearly influenced by Christianity, and many of them were
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  Speaker 1: Christian to some degree another some of them were Deists,
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  Speaker 1: some of them were not even that. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: where's the connection to law. Sneak that in because it's
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  Speaker 1: the Ten Commandments. So I think he believes that tin
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  Speaker 1: Commands are the basis of the law.
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  Speaker 4: Really be even if you're not a Christian, Like, does
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  Speaker 4: seeing the Ten Commandments? Let me put it slightly different way,
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  Speaker 4: does seeing the Ten Commandments force religion on a non
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  Speaker 4: Christian child? I mean, my argument would.
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  Speaker 1: No, But what is the ten command What does forcing schools,
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  Speaker 1: including public school that is public schools, schools run by
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  Speaker 1: the government, forcing schools in every classroom to have.
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  Speaker 2: The Ten Commandments? What does that do?
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't force religion on a kid, I agree, But
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  Speaker 1: what does it do? It basically tells the children this
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  Speaker 1: is what our country stands for. This is what.
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  Speaker 2: The school stands for.
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  Speaker 1: This is what this is. This is the truth. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're not even putting up We're not putting up you know,
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  Speaker 1: scientific statements on the wall in every classroom in America.
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  Speaker 2: We're putting up the Ten Commandments. So this is the truth.
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  Speaker 1: This is some foundational essential element of your education.
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  Speaker 2: This is crucial to what you are, who you are.
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  Speaker 1: That's that is instilling in them respect and an attitude
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  Speaker 1: to religion as a foundational idea. That is just playing
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  Speaker 1: wrong and goes against the idea of separation. Now again,
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  Speaker 1: if a particular teacher wants to put up the Ten Commandments.
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  Speaker 1: Some classroom has it, some classrooms do not, Okay, But
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  Speaker 1: to as they have done in Texas, to put it
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  Speaker 1: up in every classroom, in every classroom, as a state law,
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  Speaker 1: as a mandate, something really, really, really important that the
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  Speaker 1: state cares about. Says, this state has the authority to
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  Speaker 1: care about religion. The state believes that education is associated
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  Speaker 1: with religion.
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  Speaker 4: Would be no. And I'd illustrate this by saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: there are all of these ways in which you actually
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  Speaker 4: could try to force religion on a child.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: The worst way to force religion on a child. That's
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  Speaker 3: good to have it and not represent any other religion.
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  Speaker 2: See, that's not the point. Rogan, that's not the point.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: He doesn't he.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Look look at that picture of Wrogan. He looks tie it.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: What would you call that look? I mean his eyes
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a half, I mean he doesn't look good. That's not
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the point. The point is not we should have every
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: religion represented on the walls of our schools.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: It's that the government shouldn't.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Dictate dictate religion in the school, any religion, and even
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: all religion. Like if the government said, all right, five
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: religious texts in the school. Well what about atheist texts? Right,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: there's no end to that, like teach us are going
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to teach us. A curriculum in the state determines that
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: curriculum and that's a problem in government schools. But to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: put it up on the wall is gives it a
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: special place of respect. Says again, this is the state
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: is involved now in religion, and the state is involved
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: in education, and we're going to educate you to this
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: religion not good, not good. One nation under God was
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: not in the original pleasure of allegiance and should be
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: taken out as soon as possible. All right, let's give
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: this maybe one more ten minutes and then we'll go
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to starting.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: So what he's talking about was that there's these Christian nationalists,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: these these guys that are.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Very well he's talking about Christian nationalists to jed Events,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: that's pretty funny. JD.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Is that galthy that are trying to fund Christian schools
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: and trying to defund public schools.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: That would be great if we defunded public schools.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And then all these religious con compete with his schools,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and the secular schools con compete with the religious schools,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and we'd actually have competition schools, and then you can
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: put up on the wall whatever the hell you want,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and then the parents can choose whether send they kids
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to that school.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Or not, or any other kind of religious school and
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: what they want to do. And they pass this to
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: get the Ten Commandments in all public school classes. And
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: he's fundamentally opposed to that as a Christian because he
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: thinks it's going to force people to have this in
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: their class and it's going to push people away from Christianity.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, I understand the argument. I just don't see
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: it that way. I mean, I I guess if I'm
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: if I hear you. But if I'm a non religious
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: student and I'm sitting in there and I see the
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Ten Commandments, at the very least, I think I can
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: appreciate it. I mean, I, you know, OK, but what
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: if what.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: If you're a Hindu? What if you're a Muslim and
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: you know, and you are seeing that represented but not
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: your faith.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Well, it's a public school, first of all, I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: that you you. I mean, I'm pretty sure Muslims. I'm
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: not hardly an expert on Islam, but I think all
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: of the Abrahamic faiths recognize commandments.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: As you said, that significant thing.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: But I think if I was a Hindu looking at
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: the Ten Commandments. I mean, again, it's hard for me
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: to say this right from my perspective, but I certainly
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: went through an atheist phase in my in my youth, and.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: He even went through a nine man phase in his youth.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: And what I would see that as as a non
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: religious person or a different religion is I would say
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: this is like an important cultural element of the Western civilizations.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: There are lots of important cultural elements in Western civilizes
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and lots of them, and how many of them are
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: mandated mandated by the you know, by the state, by
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the state. All right, let's skip ahead where we're going.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: All right. That was Christianity. And they go on on
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: this for another, I don't know, six minutes, and they
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: say the same things over and over again. Foundation of
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the classroom, the same thing over and over again, and
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you know, nothing new. All right, let's get to some
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of the interesting stuff he says about economics towards the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: kind of the end of the interview, Yes, towards the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: end of the interview to twenty one, Yeah, to twenty one.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: So let's let's listen to this.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: This is the right now presumptive Republican candidate for president
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. He's the vice president Republican Party
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and in opposition to some I don't know, a leftist Democrat.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And you you tell me what you think of these
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: arguments about the economics. Ooops.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: End of discussion and if you, if you play it out,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: is literally the only way that can get people to
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: give up their money. Yes, it's the only way they
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: can get them to give up their property. And when
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: you're hearing like mom Donnie talk about freezing rents and
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: taking bad landlords and then confiscating their property, like, do
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: you this is step one of what's happened in every
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: communist dictatorship throughout history. This is what happened in North Korea.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Give the government the land and we'll make sure that
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: no one ever has to worry about food.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just tricky, right. The reality this
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: is not how it happened in North Korea. But the
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: reality is that that Singapore and Hong Kong. I think
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I mentioned this yesterday. Both Singapore and Hong Kong before
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the Chinese takeover were some of the freest countries in
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Two of the freest countries in the world one and
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: two actually.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Install keep doing this in most surveys, and they control
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: all the land. So it's the whole idea about land
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and who owns the land is overrated. Much more important
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: is whether you can keep the profits of your labor.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Much more important whether you can keep what you invent,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: what you create, what you build. So I get it,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: but generally people who don't know make too much of
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: an issue of land. Again, Singapore, if you go to
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: live in Singapore, you're basically you lease your condo or
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: your house from the government. You don't own it, you're
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: leasing it. It might be a long term lease, but
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: it's the least But the thing about Singapois they've respect contract.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Mamdani doesn't. The communists don't.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: There's no contracts in communism, so that's much more of
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: important of a distinction. But anyway, let's keep it how
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: it turned out.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: So I don't know who said this, but you know,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: the whole argument of communism is that you seize the
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: means of production. But because the means of production, the
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: most powerful means of production is the human mind, you
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: ultimately have to get intotalitarianism.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know who I think said that? Who do
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: you think said that? Who does that? Sound like the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: ultimate means of production is the human mind?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: That's not man.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I mean that that's just about an Iranian And he
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: went through a Randian phase, right, he went to his
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: objectives phase. So he you know, some of that stuck.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: See you realize that, yes, once you use force, once
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you used force, Once she sees the means of production,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: whether it's ten percent, like his administration has of intel,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: whether it's one hundred percent, it ultimately has to be
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: so solidchampion, it has to be one hundred percent that is.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: But that's what his administration is doing.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I have to have control of that most fundamental element
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: of the human person.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: You also take away motivation, right, and there's a thing
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: that people don't like, which is extreme wealth. But you
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: have to understand that if it wasn't for the motivation
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: of extreme wealth, you would not have an iPhone.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: You remember that. You remember the the Israel video that we
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: reviewed last time in where he made the same arguments,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: all about the incentives. It's all about the motivation that
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you know, extreme wealth. Yeah, nobody like I said, but
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: it's great motivation, right, motive, It drives motivation. No talk
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: about rights, not talk about creation. Now about I built this,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I made this, This is mine. Who the hell are
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: you to come and steal it from me? So I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: mean this idea that Rogan's you know, kind of once
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to defend this element in capitalism. He sees the evil
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and what mom Donnie's doing. But again, can't get to
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the fundamentals. Can't get to the fundamentals.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: So here's what things Okay, So here's here's let me
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: give you my my my Christian answer to this, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: it's a good plug for my my new book, Communion.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: His Christian answer, Christian answer looking forward to.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: This, finding my way back to face.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Communion, which is all about aliens.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, did you know that no coincidence? Pull up the
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: pull of the I want all your listeners to buy.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: The problem is, like you didn't know about this book.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: I would have told you to come up with the
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: different title.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Well, there we go.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, so we want.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: To say that is wild and then there's my first.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Communion this Okay, that's like a kid's book. But yeah,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: we want people to buy the second one, the one
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: that says jd vance on it. But yeah, okay, So
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: this is one of the things I talk about in
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: the book is like there's a there is a Christian
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: idea of political economy that's actually been lost in American politics.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Where it's it's like we think of it as this is,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: by the way, straight out of the nan It's straight
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: out of the common good. Constitutionalists, the mule, this is
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the this is the agenda of the uh poast liberals,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the the the integralists. A Christian idea political economy is
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: believe me, believe me.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: The Catholic idea of political economy is not.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Capitalism, libertarianism, the hardcore free market versus socialism or communism.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: And there actually is a third way that has existed
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: in pretty much all Christian economic thinking going back two
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: thousand years ago.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: How did Christian economic thinking do from year zero to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: eighteen hundred? How did it do? I mean, this thinking
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: has been in existence, but when it was applied again,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: when Christian had political power, when Christian had domination, when
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: they dominate the world, how did that economic thinking do.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: We had an industrial evolution way back then. We had
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: lots of wealth creation, people got rich, the economies, you know, grew,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: things were amazingly good. They hated usually we know that
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: no interest rates. They did really badly. People were poor,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: forever had dark ages. When Christians took over economic dark ages,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: for sure, cities emptied wealth, dissipated people, the population shrunk.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just ugly. We had Christian economic
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: thinking going back two thousand years and it led to
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: it has a record very similar to that of communism
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: of death and destruction and poverty.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Go which is that, Yeah, extreme wealth inequality does create problems.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Extreme wealth inequality does create problems. I'm almost interested in
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: how that is, what problems it creates other than envy,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see what he tells us. But
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: extreme wealth and probably I wrote a whole book about
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: how extreme wealth and equalities don't create problems. But this
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: is the Republican agenda against Elizabeth Wan. Oh wait a minute,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: sounds like ooh, but you.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Still got to have private property. You still have to
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: have a state that protects private property rights. And there's
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: a way to balance these things that I think we've
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: sort of lost in our country a little bit.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: So the Christian political economic thinking, which didn't really exist,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: but you know it existed, but arguably not the way J.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Dvince is describing it at all. Is a mixed economy.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: It's a mixed economy. We have some freedom. Yeah, we
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: own private property. You want you, we want you to believe,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: to pretend that you have private property. We want you
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: to behave like you have the incentives of pipate property,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: but we don't really want you to have But we
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: don't really want you to be free. We want to
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: constrain it and limited. In other words, America today.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: And when I when I like, okay, let me play
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Devil's advocate with with the DSA, because I think that
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: their ideas are crazy and I think that you're right.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: They will lead to a very totalitarian place. I'm not
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: defending a single thing that they say.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: But he agrees with some at least of their proposed
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: solutions to things like extreme inequality.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Particularly their hatred of O. I what I am saying is,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: and maybe this is just sort of the way my
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: mind works. I tend to be a little bit more empathetic.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: Why are young people attracted to socialism in twenty first
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: century America? One of the best interviews that Charlie Kirk
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: ever gave It was right before he died. It was
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: an episode that he did with Tucker Carlson where he
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: talked about the fact that if you don't give young
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: people a steak, if you don't give them ownership, if
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: you don't give them a sense of the American dream
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: and of possibility in the future, they're going to become socialists,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: like if.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: You have sisters materialism. This is Mars right. So it's
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: all driven by economics. It's all driven by economics. And
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: notice that you have to give them a steak, give
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: them a piece of the American dream. Now I've showed
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you statistics and I can show you more over and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: over and over again that show that young.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: People today, those who actually go to work.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: And do something with their lives, at the point in life,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: they are than any previous generation was at that point
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: in life. This is not about young people not being
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: able to make an income, not being able to afford
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: a home, not be able to afford any of these things.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: It's just, yes, house spice is up. Okay, so a
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: little bit more of your income goes to housing, but
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you've got more income inflation adjusted, more income. This is
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: about this generation thinking they should be as rich as
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: their parents right off the bed. This is about this
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: generation wanting a piece of the American dream before they've
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: owned it. That's a frustration. Frustration is not that there
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: no jobs out there. That are plenty of jobs. Persision
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: is not that, you know, the things are you know,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: super expensive. They you know, prices are gone up, particularly
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: right now, but as of five years ago, as a
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: pre COVID, still think it was not the case. Somebody says,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: to be Fay doesn't propose to return to medieval Christianity.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Sure he doesn't. I agree, he doesn't. He wants his
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Cakenita too. This is what they all want. They want,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: as Michael Knowles said, they want the culture of twelve
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: twenty and the which they don't know what they're talking about,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: with the technology and advancements and the wealth and achievements
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: of the twenty first century. But of course the one
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: is not possible without the other. That is, you can't
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: have the culture of the twenty four You can't have
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the wealth of the twenty first century with the culture
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of Christianity. They can't have it. You just can't have it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: So uh, you know, poor young people just don't have
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: any opportunities now there's a crisis of home ownership.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: But how do you solve that crisis.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: You solve the crisis by increasing housing, by building.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: It's how market solve it.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Well, why isn't that what they're doing, If they're so
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: concerned about young people, why aren't these.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Politicians like Jdvan's out therewn the road.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Advocating in every opportunity everywhere that they can build more,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: build more housing, build more, build, build build.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: There's such liars, they're so dishonest that have.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: A zero sum environment for a twenty five year old.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: And once there some INVI for twenty five year old,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: give me a break. And if college debt is a problem,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: then end it. Stop the government from giving loans to students.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Governments shouldn't be in that business. It's just so fossical
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: that they're presenting the world right now is a zero
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: sum world for twenty five year olds. I mean, it
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: might be tough in particular professions, and the world is
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: changing quickly and AI is shifting things. Okay, well, adapt
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: you can't increase housing with atheism as a normal.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: That's pretty funny.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Sex see. One of the funniest things I've ever put.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: In this country they're going to start to say, the
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: only way for me to get anything is to take
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: away from somebody else. So we have to get away
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: from like the zero sum thinking.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we do, we do. But first thing
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: to say to young twenty five year old is the
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: world is not as zuoso.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Don't think zuosome.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: I think that's like the root cause of this. But
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: I also think that, look, we've ran an experiment in
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: the United States of America, and you know, I think
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: that we have undone that experiment taken a different direction
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: of the Trump administration, where ship all the factories over
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: pretty funny and let low wage foreigners make our stuff.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: All right, this is all bullshit, But you know I've
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: talked about this a million times. About this again. We
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: manufacture more stuff in the United States today than we
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: ever did. Very few of the jobs will shift overseas.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Most of it was transferred to mechanization. And the fact
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that we buy a lot of stuff from fallen Is
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: actually increases the stand of living in Americans and increases
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the job opportunities of Americans and improves the quality of
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: the jobs that Americans have. And I know, I know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I'm it's like I'm I'm shouting against the wind. It
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter that me and like a dozen other economists.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: So people say this about the truth about economics. It
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter because people don't feel that it's true. And
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: people like JD.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Van's and.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Rightists and leftist economists just keep repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: China took our jobs. They they destroyed out the quality
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: of life. They you know, they just say it over
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: and over and over and over again, and this is
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: why all our problems are because of China. And they
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: look and they see unemployment at four percent. So where
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: all these unemployed people who lost their jobs? And they
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: look at wages that have beaten inflation significantly over the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: last since the China shock in the nineteen since nineteen
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: ninety four, wages way I passed paced inflation, way at
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: paced wages in other developed countries, And you go, where
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: is all the damage? And yet I keep saying it,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I keep talking about it, I keep repeating myself, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I feel bad for you guys because I keep repeating
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: myself and you guys keep hearing this, and we keep
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: repeating it, and you know, it doesn't make a dent
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: because these people just have the microphones. They have the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: stage and repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, beat, and it becomes truth.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: It just becomes what people believe is true. Nobody questions
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: it anymore. It's so frustrating. And I see this, and
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I've been seeing it for twenty something years, well, sixteen
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: years since a financial crisis, and I see the talking
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: points of the left from sixteen years ago are the
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: talking points of the right today. The left one on
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: economics completely without any question. All right, yeah, it's.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: A bad deal for American workers. Again, it takes a
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: long time to reverse that trend. But I think it's
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: one of the best parts of Trump administration policy is
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: you do see that trend starting to reverse.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Really, we've lost almost one hundred thousand manufacturing jobs since
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the Trunk came in the office. There's nothing in the
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: trend that is changing, reversing, shifting. I mean, the reality
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: is that it's making things bad. It took something that
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: was actually doing pretty well and making things worse. Trump
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: has only done harm to the economy. It's not a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: few good things cutting taxes or keeping the tax cuts
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: that he did in his first term. That was when
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: he did the good thing and deregulating energy and environment,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: huge good things. That's it. Everything else he's done as
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: being gratuously gratuitous sleep hutting the economy for no good reason.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: But I guess they have these talking points which are meaningless.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: By the way, we are way behind on super chats,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: way behind, like historically way behind. Thank you Wes for
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: this fifty dollars sticker that that changes things a little bit.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, please ask questions.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: There's got to be questions.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: We run out of question this idea that nobody should
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: own anything, we should all become renters. Whereas what we're
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: trying to do is.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Sixty four percent of Americans own their home. Sixty four
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: percent of Americans have owned their home almost forever. The
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: only time it was greater than that, it went to
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: sixty eight sixty nine percent. That was just before the
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Great Financial Crisis two thousand and eight, because a lot
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: of people bought homes who shouldn't have, who couldn't afford them,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and who got killed crushed during the financial crisis. But
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: it's equalibrium about But sixty three to sixty four percent
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: of Americans own their home.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: And what is bad about renting?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Renting? Renting? It's pretty good.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: So yeah, lower regist rates. You actually have seen housing
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: costs stabilized in the country of the last year and
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: a half. Frankly because of immigration. We had way too
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: many people going after way too many homes. He closed
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: the border. This is one of the reasons.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Why also had immigrants working, creating wealth and building homes. So, yeah,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: let's solve the problem of housing not by building more homes,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: but by shrinking the number of people in the country.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, but he doesn't believe in force
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and using force. He doesn't believe in the government using
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: force forces. Nugget. You don't want to force people, but
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: let's shrink the population. Fewer people seek out whatever existing
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: homes exist. Let's not build more homes. Let's not solve
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the problem through supply side. Let's over through demand side
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: by shrinking demand by kicking people out of the country.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: That is amazing, amazing the logic of that. Plus I
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: showed you that they only thirty percent of the increase
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: in home prices over the big inflow of immigrants during
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the Biden administration can be explained by immigration versus other
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: factors that have to do with housing.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: I rented housing costs is stabilize a little bit.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, rent statement, but interestates are way up. He lied
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: about interstates a minute ago. Mortgage rates are some of
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: the highest they being in since the peak inflation to Biden,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: So mortgage rates are hi if you look at mortgage rates. God,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy I'm not getting a mortgage right now.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: The almost double what I have my mortgage.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: So I think that unless you go down that pathway
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: of allowing young Americans to own something, socialism is the
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: inevitable outcome.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Do I think really really allowing people to own something?
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: How do you allow people to own something? How you
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: give them the American dream? How do you do this?
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: God's good? No, But I really do worry. And I
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: see this, frankly more in my own party than I do.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: On the other side, there is this revulsion to socialism
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: that's totally justified without enough thinking about how did we
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: get here in the first place?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because we shouldn't be that with us of
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: us socialism, because ultimately all the problems that they've identified
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: are problems we agree with, we Republicans, and the one
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: thing we won't do is offer solutions that increase freedom.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: And if man, if we don't fix that. And I
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: would say, if we don't get back to a more
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Christian sort of understanding of economics, socialism is the alternative.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: So it's either Christian understanding of economics or socialism. Free
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: markets are not the alternative. Free markets are not on
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the table. Capitalism Hell with that, that's gone. It's a
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Christian mixed economy which he doesn't want to force on
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: anybody because he doesn't believe it because human dignity and everything.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: We don't want to force, we don't want to use force.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Christian mixed economy or socialism. Those are alternatives you have
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: That is where this goes. Well, people don't own exactly
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: and in some ways show the game is rigged.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Game is rigged. I mean, if you look at again
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: buying into the left of talking point, I.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Just I think so much of housing because you know,
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: this happened. I think it was during the presidential campaign.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Maybe it was right before, but I was I was
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: talking to some family members over Thanksgiving and you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: just a sort of a younger friend of my wife's
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: there were like five or six years behind us. They
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: were just about to get married. And this young woman,
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: successful engineer, makes a higher salary than most Americans. She
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: just sort of like tossed out there that. You know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: when her parents' generation was coming up, it was like
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: possible to own a house and to raise a family
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: and not be worried that much about things. And my fault,
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I'm so sick of that. That is just so untrue.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, people have always worried the past. I mean
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: they have this rosy picture of some mythical, non existent
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: past that just is not there. It just never happened.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: And people worry about money today. You know why people
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: worry about money today for the same reason they were
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: worried about it back then, because they were ambitious and
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: they wanted to consume more than they had. And you know,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: people today, if they want to buy a house the
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: same size as their parents and grandparents had, they can
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: find one very cheaply. If they wanted to have the
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: appliances in the home that their parents and grandparents had,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: they can find they can find outs like that and
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: it'll be really cheap. If they want a home with
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: no AC, yeah, there's still homes out there suddenly, even
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: no AC, they're cheaper. If they want to have a
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifties like car gas guzzler. Yeah, that would be cheaper. No,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: but they want, they want, they want all the things
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that they want. They you know, back then there are
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: only three television stations. You didn't have to pay for cable.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Now you don't have to pick a cable. They eat it.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: But you you pay for Netflix, and you, I mean,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: give that up. And if you give all that up,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: then you don't have to worry about money you'll make,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: you'll make you play with so much richer today by
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: every measure that these people pretending that that is not true.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: It's sickening. It's just sickening, and they keep again, lying, lying, lying,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: and it becomes true.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: The thought was, Okay, you're an engineer. You make way
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: more money than seventy five percent of people your age,
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: maybe ninety percent of people your age, and you think
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: that it is like this ridiculous, unachievable objective to have
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: literally what your parents had.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Not look to you what your parents have a house
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: thousands of square feet bigger than your parents's house, was
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: a square feed bigger.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Which is a decent job and nice house in a
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: safe place, like at that literally that same dinner, like
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: another guy, another friend of my wife's was talking about
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: this and he, you know South Indian family grew up.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: You know, his parents immigrated, he was born and raised
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: in San Diego. And he was like, you know, when
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: I was growing up in Ocean Side, this is like
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: a suburb of San Diego where there are a lot
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: of Marines live in Ocean Side. It's close to Camp Pendleton.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: So when I was grown up, all of my like
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: the kids that I played with, that I rode boat
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: bikes with, that I was, you know, playing street hockey
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: with and football with. All of those kids were the
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: sons of enlisted Marines in ocean Side, California. And then
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: we went and looked at like Ocean Side California rents Again,
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: this is a couple of years ago rents and housing prices,
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: Like every house was north of a million dollars on
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: the street. This guy grew up in who listened marine. Frankly,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: most Marine officers could not afford to buy a million
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: dollar house.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: So where are the Marines living? I don't think the
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Marines are ownless where they living? The base is still there,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: new Ocean site where they living. They moved somewhere else. Yeah,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Ocean site. It's really nice. It's like on the ocean.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: It's really a pretty neighborhood. People have moved in, driven
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: prices up, and you know what, California regulation restricts building
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: more housing, so housing prices went up.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: What's the point exactly?
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: So does the socialism thing scare me?
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: Is it the wrong solution? Yes? But one thing I
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: try to persuade my fellow Republicans of is socialism is
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: the alternative. If we don't have a pathway to give
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: people sense that the system is not rigged and that
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: the American dream is attainable, that's like our job. That's
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: what we have to do. I'm not saying Rome was
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: built in a day. It's not going to be easy
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: to undo some of these economic trends. But man, we
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: ran the experiment. We ran the experiment of offshoring all
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: of our industrial jobs, of becoming a services and finance economy,
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: and allowing Wall Street to come in and buy every
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: reasset of modern life and turn it into an investible
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: you know, line goes up asset.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: And now what's the between what he just said and
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren and blaming everything on Wall Street? No, everything
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: is Wall Street finance? Is I mean in that sense,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: he is a true Christian economist hatred of finance.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: And what has that done. It's created a generation of
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: kids who kind of are attracted the socialism.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Yep, no, now, I'll tell you what it makes them
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: attracted to socialism is you and you conservatives who've offered
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: no alternative to the mixed economy, who've given him no
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: ideal to fight for, who've told them that the mixed
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: economy is it. It's as good as it gets. Who've
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: told them they should be miserable because they jobs, they
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: would be much happier if they had manufacturing jobs, like
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: those poor people in China have telling them not to
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: be ambitious, not to seek out the silicon value jobs,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: but to wait in their old industry places and to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: wait for those jobs to somehow miraculacy come back and
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: tell them that those are noble jobs, whereas the jobs
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: in finance, in services in Silicon Valley, those are not
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: noble jobs.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Somehow, it's your fault.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: For never offering an idealistic alternative to the idealism of
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: socialism and constantly reinforcing the lines the socialists are telling.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: And you think young people are going to trust you
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: with the solution. Your solution is a mixed economy, a
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: mixed economy tilted towards socialism. Why not go all the way?
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Don't going to have a tilt towards socialism. I want
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: to go all the way to socialism, all the way.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: What you're offering them, JD is a little bit. Why
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: would anybody take a little bit? Let's go, let's take
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: it off.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I went all in.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: You have to fix that problem.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Well, kids that do feel and you're correct, and I
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: agree with you. The system is rigged. Kids feel like
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: there are no options other than to burn it down. Yes,
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: and that's the problem. And because they feel very frustrated.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: And this is part of our job is to provide
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: an option that isn't burn it down, but is not
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: just doing the same things that we've done for the past.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: But how is anything in JD.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Vance's proposing not doing the same things we've done in
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: the past. It's it's not as I fas, it's not
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: female kids. And now I think what he's implying, what
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: he suggested without saying, is that what we've tried in
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: the past is less a fair and what we need
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: is let is something else. But but that's a lie. Again.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: I like, we're terrified about the future because of AI,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: because I feel like jobs are going to be taken
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: away and there will be no way people Q and
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: AI education and very specific we'll call it the avenuees, Like,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: very specific jobs are going to just be irrelevant. They're
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: going to be completely wiped out by AI.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: There is a huge fear of over this. So let
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: me kind of give my own my own spin on this. Yes,
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: I was talking to a CEO not of an AI company,
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: but of a tech company, and he's one of the
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: few CIO CEOs that's sort of right of center, and
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: I was like, well, you know, what do you think
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: do you think AI is going to come and take
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: all the jobs? And his basic take was, the real
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: historical analogy is the Industrial Revolution. And you know, did
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: the Industrial Revolution displace or change a lot of jobs. Yes,
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: it also created a lot of jobs that didn't exist before.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: So he was like, my concern here is not that
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: fifty percent of Americans are going to be unable to
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: find a job. There will be some displacement, some sort
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: of churn in the labor market, but that's not the
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: main issue, he said. The main issue if you go
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: back to the Industrial Revolution, is that there was a
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: lot of demand for workers, but the inequality in the
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: country got completely out of whack, like this is the
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: era of the robber barons.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Note he's using terminology of the robber barons.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: JD. Vans, the representative of the right, the representative that's
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: supposed to be defending capitalism, using the terminology of robber
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: barons to explain what happened in a nineteenth century. Again,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: what is the difference between him and Elizabeth warn What
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: is the difference between him and and Governor Newsom from California?
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: What is the difference between him and a Democrat and
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: a leftist and a socialist? Very little except he's Christian.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: He's religious. He wants to craim Christianity down your throat
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: on top of everything else. And he doesn't like trans
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't like gays, and he doesn't like foreigners,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: he hates immigrants. So he's worse than democrats and social issues,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: and he's just the same as democrats on economic issues.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: And then the robber barons in both the Europe and
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: led to fascism, led to communism.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: So rubber barons led to fascism and communism, rubber barons,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: the rebellion against the rubber barons led to fascism and communism. No,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: ideas don't play any role. It's all economic materialism from
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the beginning. Everything is motivated by economic materialism. The ideas
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: these kids hold, the ideas that were prevalent in Europe
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: and the United States in that period. I mean did
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: for example, but the massive inequality in the United States,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: which he argues existed that was bigger than the inequality
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: in Europe. Did it lead the United States to communism
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: and fascism? No, it led Europe to communism and fascism.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Why inequality was great in the US than it was
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: in Europe? So why.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: He's not interested in explaining it.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: He can't explain it because you'd have to go to
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: the level of ideas, and that he cannot do. He
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: is when it comes to economics, he's a materialist. He's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: a complete materialist. And when it comes to ideas, there's
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Christianity and there's a void, there's evil, there's the other.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: And again to this point about giving people an option.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: If you don't give them a good option, then it
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: leads to fascism.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Who gives an option? Who gives an option? Don't people
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: create those options? Isn't that what capitalism does? It creates options,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: creates opportunities. That's what capitalism does, creates opportunities, which are options.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Government doesn't do that, and the Mogama trist intervene. The
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Mogama tristy travine. The fewer options, the fewer opportunities there are,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: indeed to the extent that we have problems today, and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: we have problems, definitely have problems.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Those problems have.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: To do with governy's avention with the lack of capitalism,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: with the lack of markets. What leads to communism and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: fascism are bad ideas, the ideas of altruism and collectivism,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: which she's to blame for because he's a Christian. What
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: led to fascism and communism is the revival of Christianity
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and secular phone.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: The fact that Western SIV.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Refused to bandon the morality of Christianity while shrugging off
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit of astristicism. He's not pandering. He believes this.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: He believes this completely consistent, and.
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  Speaker 1: He believes in ism.
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  Speaker 4: Now there's this fascinating and six.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out of Beneen. This is straight out of the Integralists.
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  Speaker 1: This is an ideological political movement in America today. This
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  Speaker 1: is not just pandering. This is ideological.
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  Speaker 4: Written by Popolei of the thirteenth I'll send it to you.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of the best things that I think has
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  Speaker 4: ever been written by a Christian leader. Where it's written
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  Speaker 4: in the late nineteenth century, and the basic argument of
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  Speaker 4: it is that in the age of industrial churn, there
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  Speaker 4: has to be a middle way.
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  Speaker 1: Between industrial chun. Notice that industrial chun.
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  Speaker 4: Between six year olds working on the factory floor and socialism.
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  Speaker 4: And part of that solution is to give workers a
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  Speaker 4: sort of say in what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: So here, Jdvans is going to come out strongly full unions,
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  Speaker 1: just in case you were worried that he wasn't quite
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  Speaker 1: socialist enough.
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  Speaker 4: Normal people some power in this in this in this system.
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  Speaker 1: Normal people don't know how.
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  Speaker 4: I think we have to figure out what a I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: won't say that I have all the solutions because I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: have it, but I think the fundamental question is how
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: do you ensure that normal people have some control over this,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: control over what's their kids are seeing, control over you know,
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  Speaker 4: the the the economic forces that are being unleashed by
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  Speaker 4: AI some certainty that they're not going to wake up
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: in a world where they can't buy a home, but
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: some other guy owns thirty five mansions.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine if he game normal people control over AI. We'd
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  Speaker 1: really go far if that happened, right.
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  Speaker 4: That, That, to me is the fundamental challenge of AI
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  Speaker 4: is it's going to unleash a lot of wealth creation.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: But if that wealth creation all goes to some some
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  Speaker 4: segment of people, you're gonna have communism like that, That is,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: that is the choice before us. Is a lot of
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  Speaker 4: wealth being created, that's good, by the way, but.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of wealth creator was during the nineteenth century
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  Speaker 1: and the early twenty century in America and we didn't
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  Speaker 1: have communism. This is the idea that the pool were rebel,
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  Speaker 1: ordinary people were rebel, and they will forced communism because
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  Speaker 1: they're so upset envious by the wealth.
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  Speaker 2: But that's never happened.
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  Speaker 1: Where have we ever gotten communism because of incomunequality. Russia
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  Speaker 1: is not a good example because the more fundamental issue
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: there was not income inequality. It was you know, feudalism.
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  Speaker 1: It was a monarchy. They controlled anything. It was. It
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: was you know, the people being oppressed in every dimension.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: China did not become communists because of income inequality. Became
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  Speaker 1: communists because the communists to get over and because they
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: ran out of other ideas, and because they were who
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: and uh, there was no downside. But landva foam was
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  Speaker 1: not a that's feudalism. That's not I mean what my
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: fault was feudalism. That wasn't about inequality. I mean America
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  Speaker 1: had an inequality. We had industrialists making lots of money, so
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  Speaker 1: called rubberbearance, but we didn't get communism. England didn't get communism.
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  Speaker 4: Like I like wealth being created, but well, that's ensure
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  Speaker 4: that there's some broader prosperity from that wealth creed.
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  Speaker 1: But how can you create wealth without creating brought up prosperity.
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  Speaker 1: I've done this exercise many many times in my talks.
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  Speaker 1: How do you create wealth without creating broad up prosperity?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't the way in which you create wealth improving the
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  Speaker 1: lives of everybody around you. I mean, Jeppiezos did this
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  Speaker 1: on that video the other day that I showed you.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I'm two hundred billion dollars, but Amazon is
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  Speaker 1: two point something billion dollars So there's the trillion says
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  Speaker 1: two point trillion something of wealth that was created because
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  Speaker 1: of what I created. Other people own it, other people
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  Speaker 1: have gotten rich because of me. And that doesn't even
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: take an account the trillions and trillions and trillions of
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: dollars that we all benefit from the fact that we
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: use Amazon, the improved quality of life and stand of
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: living from using Amazon. It's such economic reation.
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  Speaker 4: We have run this experiment before, and it leads to communism.
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  Speaker 1: Not in America. We've never run this experiment. And you
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: keep saying we've run this experiment globalization.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever.
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  Speaker 1: The experiment we haven't run is capitalism, and capitalism does
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  Speaker 1: not lead to communism. I'm tied of ged events. We
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: could go on and on. He comes out strong before
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  Speaker 1: unions here in a bit. Maybe let's get to that bit.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see if we can find it.
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  Speaker 4: But if you go back to like, why do the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: United States and Britain whether the Industrial Revolution better than
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: literally every other Western country, I think you can make
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  Speaker 4: a freedoment strong religious institutions. Oh right, now we have
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: very weak religious religion.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Religion prevented communism. Oh okay, now I get it. We
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: weathered still because of religion, not because of capitalism, not
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: because Enlaightenment values, not because of a system of government
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: that gay people rights, because of religious institutions such a
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: rewriting of history institutions.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: Number two, I think you could say strong worker participation in.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: A unions, stronger unions in Germany, stronger unions in many
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: other countries that became fascist as socialists.
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  Speaker 4: So no, and not just private sector of labor unions.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: That was a big piece of it. But people don't
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: realize that, you know, Hollywood, major studios would actually work
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: with community groups and churches to sort of help like
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: develop content. Now this was organic, this was a natural cooperation.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: This wasn't mandated by some law, but where they'd go
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: and say, help us produce content that actually speaks to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: your membership, that speaks to your community. And there was
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: this sense of participation in American society that I think
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: we've lost, and that's the thing that I think that
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: we have to rebuild a little bit. It's interesting that
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: the Trump administration, the President personally certainly me, have been
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: accused of being too pro labor for Republicans. But one
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: of the reason why I'm pro labor as a Republican
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: is because and I'm not saying unions are perfect. Some
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: of them have very serious problems. Like I'm open eyed
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: about this, Like the alternative may very well be communism.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: In the United States of American nun we.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Have unions that we have communism, Guys. Empower the unions
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: so we haveoid communism. Redistribute more wealth so we avoid communism.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Take equity stakes in American companies so we can avoid communism.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: What other socialist policy can we embrace in order to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: avoid communism? God, I mean, I don't know. It seems
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: hopeless out there. Guys. It's very hard to stay positive
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: when this is the vice person. He goes on second,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: when I was going to show you, you know, you
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: can watch it yourself if you want. He talks about
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: the fact that his peacekeeping mission to try to bring
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: peace and kind of deal with Iranians undermined by.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: You know, Israel trying to.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Trying to establish a forever war, and all his critics,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: his critics all want forever wars, and many of his
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: critics funded by elements within the Israeli government who are
• 1:11:02
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• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: was a probably a Mosada agent and maybe a CIA agent.
• 1:11:12
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• 1:11:15
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• 1:11:19
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• 1:11:22
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• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: And this is very person un of the United States.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: He has access to all these files. So I don't know.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's just playing the the I like conspiracy theories
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  Speaker 1: to appeal to the MAGA conspiracy theory people.
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  Speaker 2: Oh maybe he's really this way.
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  Speaker 1: she can't carry a baby.
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  Speaker 2: they could.
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  Speaker 1: Still harvest and egg or maybe she's got an egg
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  Speaker 1: sure the DNA is healthy and and uh implanted in
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  Speaker 1: a surrogate that is possible but yes, uh, the science.
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  Speaker 2: Soon we're gonna have artificial wombs.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to have pregnancy outside of the
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: outside of the natural womb. Uh. That will open up
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of possibilities for people to have kids in quote,
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  Speaker 1: unnatural ways, unnatural ways. And the religious religious people are
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  Speaker 1: going to flip out over this. They're going to freak out.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: And they they're they're they're freaking out already on you know,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: gene therapy and and a lot of stuff for DNA
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: are changing DNAs, and you know, they they hate the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: idea of man playing god right, transhumanism, Oh my god.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's great that women can now have children
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  Speaker 1: later in life, and healthy children. And I think this
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  Speaker 1: is going to be part of the solution to the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: so called you know what do you call the problem
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: the shrinking population of the earth, the fact that when
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: people are not having enough babies to replace the population
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: of earth. All right, you.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Guys are showing up.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: This is great, let's see, Michael says. Charles two is
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: advocating euthanizing mentally handicapped people because they are subhuman in
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: human form, which makes them disgusting and a burden to
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: rational people while providing no value in return. Seems this
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: is an opinion motivated by hatred than rational egoism. Yeah,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I mean it strikes me as being more driven by
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: disgust and hate and maybe an aesthetic displeasure than anything else.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: I thought Charles to disappeared and and uh was not
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: commenting anymore? Is this is this?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Does he have a new platform? Is this new stuff?
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Uh? New stuff that he is that he is producing? Uh? Look,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: suddenly there are states in which human beings might find themselves.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: We're euthanizing them. Is a positive. If somebody is suffering
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: and in pain, then a child or a human being, Uh,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: then euthanization makes sense. Uh. If if somebody is uh,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: but you know has you know, the reality is if
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: nobody will take care of them, then they'll just die. Right.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: So, so here's the point.
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  Speaker 1: Is that if a human being cannot take care of
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: themselves anymore because the mentally handicapped or the physically handicapped,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: and they cannot provide for themselves, and for whatever reason,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: their family decides they don't want to provide for them.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: And although you know you one ask the question parents
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: who have taken on the responsibility of having a child
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: and not taking care of it until a certain age
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: that that's part of the responsibility. But other people charity
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: is not willing to take care of them or whatever,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: then they will die. But to actively go out there
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: and euthanize those that Charles thinks a subhuman and who
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Charles thinks are disgusting and a burden, you know that
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: that is pretty horrific. I don't think Ironrand would support it,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: that she would have left it up. She would have
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: said that. You know, first of all, I don't know
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: what Ironmand would say. But they are different degrees of handicap.
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  Speaker 1: You know, people seem to be able to get something
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  Speaker 1: out of having relationships with people who you know, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us would consider mentally handicapped. They're not living
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: up to fully human and yet people have relationships with
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: that that are quite beneficial and thriving. So no, I
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: do not think I don't think the states should be involved.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: I think there should be. You know, parents need to decide,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: but parents have taken on an obligation. These are human beings,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: and you know, again, if they're in a state of
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: such pain and agony, then.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: The right thing to do is euthanize them.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: But if they are, if they're not in pain, if
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: they're not in agony, but then they can't live up
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  Speaker 1: to their fully human capacity because they're mentally handicapped. I
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: don't think you ever write to euthanize somebody, and you
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: have to live up to your obligation as a parent
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: to to take care of them, you know, until they're
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: self sustaining. In this case, they're not. One of the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: one of the big reasons I believe one of the
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: big reasons I support abortion, I don't like this idea
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: of I support choice.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: No, I support abortion.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: And one of the big reasons I'm a supporter of
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: genetic engineering is that parents have the opportunity to, you know,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: not have to deal with the mentally handicap. It's obviously a.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Burden, it's obviously not fun, it's not good, you know, and.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: It's not ideal, and but you get stuck with it
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: because you have the baby and you're responsible for it, so,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I think parents can put a child like
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: that in an institution and pay for it's upkeeping. There
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: are lots of ways in which you can deal with
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: it without sacrificing. But I definitely think that if you
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: have the option to a bort, if you have the
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: option to genetically screen and maybe even manipulate, so that
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I mean soon nobody should be born mentally handicapped. Now,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: accidents happened, but nobody should be born mentally handicapped. So yeah,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I really really disagree with with Charles self subscribe fifty dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, really really appreciate. Wow, you guys have really
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  Speaker 1: made this up quickly. Michael did that Charles two question
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  Speaker 1: was one hundred dollars, So thank you. What is going
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: on here? Oh, somebody says Charles two has been back
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: for a while. Haven't seen him anyway? I haven't noticed
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: him anyway last six months or so? All right, Eric,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: uh has this victim mentality we're seeing repeatedly emerged and
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: faded throughout history? Or is this countway fundamentally different? Is
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: there an approach to predicting these trends? Like what is
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: that like clio dynamics? When do you expected to disperse it?
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: To disperse? If ever? Look, this is the one area
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: where I think, uh jd Evans has a point in
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: a sense, And I said this on the show the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: other day. So the so a few things. One. Victim
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: mentality is not necessary. It doesn't have to come about.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: It's a product of intellectual malfeasance on the part of
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: public intellectuals. Intellectuals to keep telling people it's not your fault,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: this is happening to you, and yes, it's the it's
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: it's it's the forces out there are screwing you. And
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: they again, repeated, repeated, repeat, lie, lie, lie, So it's
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's only show my feasans. And they happened in
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: the late nineteenth century, and and and it really did
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: drive ultimately to the new Deal, to FDR's new deal,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, and then you get you get the
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  Speaker 1: mixed economy, and the mixed economy truly does some people
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  Speaker 1: screwed some people and others are not a benefit, and
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  Speaker 1: it does feel like it's rig There is an element
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  Speaker 1: of that. And then there's dramatic economic change technology and
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  Speaker 1: we saw some of that in the eighties and nineties
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  Speaker 1: and we're seeing more of that in with AI. And
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  Speaker 1: then people feel angst and they don't have answers and
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  Speaker 1: they haven't been trained to think. So what is a
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  Speaker 1: solution to victim mentality. It's to give people the tools
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  Speaker 1: and the knowledge to have self esteem, to deal with
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  Speaker 1: the changing environment, to deal with the changing economy, to
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  Speaker 1: deal with kind of is what is going on. To
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  Speaker 1: take responsibility. We talked about this the other day. It's
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  Speaker 1: all about taking responsibility for your own life, taking responsibility
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  Speaker 1: for your own happiness, taking responsibility for success. But when
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  Speaker 1: we teach generation after generation, no, you're not responsible. You
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  Speaker 1: may be. You're determined by your genes. You're determined by
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  Speaker 1: your environment, or the powers to be a controlling you,
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  Speaker 1: or the rich are screwing you. You don't have control
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  Speaker 1: of everything. So it's all about education.
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  Speaker 6: The way to get rid of it is to teach
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  Speaker 6: people to think, give them the tool of reason and
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  Speaker 6: to advocate for reason and encourage them to use it,
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  Speaker 6: and to give them knowledge about reality, about how reality
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  Speaker 6: actually works, how things actually work in.
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  Speaker 1: The world, and then hope that they make the right
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  Speaker 1: choices and abandon victim in the name of success and
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  Speaker 1: achievement and happiness.
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  Speaker 2: But we teach them the opposite.
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  Speaker 1: We teach them to feel, not to think, and we
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  Speaker 1: teach them lies not reality. And then it shouldn't surprise
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  Speaker 1: us that there's a victim mentality. So significant economic change
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  Speaker 1: is going to cause angst. How people deal with that
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  Speaker 1: angst will depend on the degree to which they take
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  Speaker 1: responsibility for their own life and the degree to which
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  Speaker 1: they have cultivated and approached the life which is focused
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  Speaker 1: on using their mind to pursue their values. And if
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  Speaker 1: you think about nineteen SIXSI of America, there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of change. There was a huge amount of change,
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  Speaker 1: and most people embraced it and made a much better
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  Speaker 1: life for themselves. Some people, following the lead of the
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  Speaker 1: intellectuals of the time, the progressives, became you know, portrayed
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  Speaker 1: themselves as victims, and ultimately that led to growth in
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  Speaker 1: government regulations and redistributional wealth and now ultimately the New Deal.
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  Speaker 2: When do I expect it to dissipate? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think AI has to play itself out.
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  Speaker 1: But I agree with JD in this sense. If we
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  Speaker 1: don't often an alternative, we could land up with socialism,
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  Speaker 1: because the right and the left today are converging on socialism,
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  Speaker 1: and socialism will not allow it to dissipate. I know
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  Speaker 1: it'll dissipate if we can change the fundamental ideas that
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  Speaker 1: people you know, a living by using to live by
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  Speaker 1: Richard Commingham. Robber barons are either robbers or barons. Robber
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  Speaker 1: assumes a crying behind great wealth. Yes, baron cast capitalism
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  Speaker 1: into feudalism, feudalism, aristocracy. Absolutely, you're absolutely right. So they
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  Speaker 1: were robber barons. They really were robed barons. These were barons, aristocrats,
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  Speaker 1: feudalists who used to basically place a toll on the
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  Speaker 1: roads going through, going and neighboring property and stealing from
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: passer by taking their money without providing any value. Those
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  Speaker 1: are robber barons. It was a real phenomena in Europe,
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  Speaker 1: not an American phenomenon, not a phenomenon of capitalism, phenomena
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  Speaker 1: of feudalism. All right, Neo, does Georgia have the right
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  Speaker 1: to take their land back after the eight War with Russia?
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  Speaker 2: And or have enough time passed?
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  Speaker 1: At what point does one have.
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  Speaker 2: To let go?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they absolutely have a right to take it back.
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  Speaker 1: It was taken by force. They absolutely have a right
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  Speaker 1: to take it back, and they should get it back.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know how much time.
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  Speaker 1: Passes. If the people in that territory completely embrace Russia
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  Speaker 1: and want to be part of Russia, then you could
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  Speaker 1: make the argument that maybe enough time has passed, but
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  Speaker 1: not a lot. Not a lot of time has passed
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  Speaker 1: in this case. Not a lot of time has passed
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  Speaker 1: at all in this case, and the war is still
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  Speaker 1: fresh and the Russian still trying to take over more
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  Speaker 1: of Georgia. Dan, how would Ironland advise UK on Falkland
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  Speaker 1: islands ownership and Argentina's pathetic claim to it. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think the Argentina claim is that pathetic in a
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  Speaker 1: sense that Falkland's is not anywhere near Great Britain. It's
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  Speaker 1: very close to Argentina. It seems bizarre that England has
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  Speaker 1: a territory on the other side of the planet. Now
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  Speaker 1: I can understand preserving it when Argentina is an authoritarian,
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  Speaker 1: thuggish field state. And indeed, it's the first time you say,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what Iinland would advise. She never spoke
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  Speaker 1: of Falkland. That wasn't an issue. The word Falkland was
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  Speaker 1: after she had passed away, I think. But anyway, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that you have a commented on and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what you would say, but this is what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I would say that if Argentina, because of
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  Speaker 1: me Lea or whatever, becomes a free country and sustains
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  Speaker 1: sustained under freedom, then I think you could have a
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  Speaker 1: referendum in Folkland, you could have some kind of negotiated
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  Speaker 1: settlement with Argentina. But it does make more sense. So
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  Speaker 1: as long as the rule of law on Argentina is good,
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  Speaker 1: you're not you're not committing the Folkland people to slavery
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  Speaker 1: under Argentinian rule or communism or something like that, then
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  Speaker 1: it's completely reasonable for the UK to say it's very
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  Speaker 1: far away, we're not sure what our self interest is
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  Speaker 1: in protecting you. Why don't you just become part of
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  Speaker 1: you know, part of Argentina. So if Argentina is a
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  Speaker 1: free country, England doesn't have to keep it. As long
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  Speaker 1: as the ententein is not a free country, and it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't in the eighties, then yeah, English should keep it. Eric,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for the sticker. I appreciate it. Andrew fifty dollars,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Andrew. Your marks on nineteen fifty three Yuan
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  Speaker 1: was a good summary, including placing all responsibility for Islamic
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  Speaker 1: despotism on the Arabs, well not on Arabs, on the Muslims,
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  Speaker 1: because Persians are not Arabs. As against American intervention a
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  Speaker 1: culinary rule of thumb. If Mario walked out in candicell
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  Speaker 1: wanly agree take the opposite side. Yeah, No, I think
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  Speaker 1: that's right. That is a good that is good rule
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  Speaker 1: of thumb, and absolutely, but thank you. I think we
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: can dig deep into nineteen fifty three and then and
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: then the Iranian Revolution. There's a lot to say about
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: both and kind of the Shaw and the reign of
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  Speaker 1: the Shaw. But I'll talk to Nicos about doing a
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  Speaker 1: show on that. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: no matter what happened in nineteen fifty three, even if
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  Speaker 1: it's completely one hundred percent of coup American coup, the
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  Speaker 1: fault for Islamism is the Islamic world. It's the Muslims.
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  Speaker 1: They chose it, they embraced it, they having to rebeled
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  Speaker 1: against it. The responsibility for their poverty, for their authoritarian
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  Speaker 1: regimes all over the Middle East is on them. It's
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: on the people of the Middle East. Can't blame it
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  Speaker 1: on colonialists and the Europeans, and on Cia and on Zionists,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: son on Israel. They did it to themselves one hundred percent.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Bradley says, thanks for the great work here on Thank
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: you Bradley, I appreciate it. Josh thoughts on the return
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: of the objective's firebrand talk to Oh, there's the question
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  Speaker 1: about them. New video argues against women voting and mentally
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  Speaker 1: handicapped don't have rights. What Charles two has a video
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: arguing against women voting? Why does anybody why are you
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  Speaker 1: watching his videos? Why does anybody take this guy seriously?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he this is just this is just really absurd.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I man shouldn't vote in man shouldn't vote.
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  Speaker 1: So why why are you watching him? The only reason
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  Speaker 1: he's back is because some of you probably demanded him
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  Speaker 1: be back, and you you, you feed.
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  Speaker 2: It by by giving him attention ignorement.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know he was back. I no, I've never
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  Speaker 1: had many thoughts about Charles two. I thought some of
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  Speaker 1: what he said in his previous incarnation was ridiculous, but
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  Speaker 1: I I was I didn't follow him, and I'm not
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: following now, and I don't really care. As objectivism grows,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: there will be more and more and more people speaking
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: about objectivism, some who know stuff and some who don't,
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  Speaker 1: and it'll be up to you guys to figure out
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  Speaker 1: what is what. But there's going to be more the
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  Speaker 1: bigger we are, the more the more stuff is going
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  Speaker 1: to be out there, and you're going to have to
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  Speaker 1: be the quality control. Gary. He praise the ten Commandments
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  Speaker 1: then outright lies in the same interview constantly. I think
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: you might have missed the commandment or too. Yeah, no kidding,
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  Speaker 1: Michael says, is ice becoming more aggressive a form of
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: voter intimidation? Trump won't know how to act after losing
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: big November other than unleashing ice. It could be. It
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  Speaker 1: could be. Let's hope that it isn't, but it could be.
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  Speaker 1: And well, here today what he has to say about
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: about the vote, and I think it'll give us some
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  Speaker 1: indication on how worried we should be. And my guess
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  Speaker 1: is we should be worried, quite worried. And the fact
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  Speaker 1: that he's doing this big address to the nation about
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  Speaker 1: this suggests we should be very worried. Niman Jah, Nimanja, great, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, Nimanja, appreciate it. I have a son. The
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight race will be between Christian and Islamic
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  Speaker 1: flavors of statism? So gross? How do you get from
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  Speaker 1: hillbilly eulogy to this? Was this always vance? No? I
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  Speaker 1: mean he's gone through phases. He was he was he
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  Speaker 1: went through a nine ran phase, and he went through
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  Speaker 1: a Protestant phase, and he went through a you know,
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  Speaker 1: take a responsibility phase. And now he's in this phase.
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  Speaker 1: And part of it is the influence I think a
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Peter Teo and his interpretation Christianity. Part of it is
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: now the influence of Patrick Deneen and the Integralists. Yeah,
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