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EP: 81 What Would You Do to Save Your Child? The Line You Think You Won’t Cross · The Sense and Senseless Podcast

• Bryan: Let's talk about your moral compass tonight. Let's see if we really stand on our morals. When all the chips are down and you're at a loss. When all else fails, what are you prepared to do to save your child? What you think is inhumane now can take a back seat when you're fighting to save your child's life. This is gonna be a dark one, Stick with us. Hey, welcome back to the Sense and Senseless Podcast. I am Bryan. Jason: I'm Jason. Bryan: Yes, J-Zone. If you're new here, welcome to the family. We're just two average guys breaking down shit in a way that everyone can understand. Tonight we're going to try to answer a moral question. What are you prepared to do when you're trying to save your child? And every rule you thought you lived by is in the way. In this episode, we're going to Pressure test that question. And I'm not talking about hypothetically. We will discuss disabled kids used as test subjects, foster children enrolled in drug trials. We'll discuss baby farms, cartel extermination camps, and black market human organs. And then the final question: if it was your kid on the list, what would you do? It's going to be heavy and it's going to be dark, but we're going to discuss it anyway. J'oyonne. Jason: Let's, no, let's roll it. Bryan: All right. So I'm sure if you're around my age or around Jason's age, you remember the scare about the AIDS epidemic. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: AIDS was definitely the boogeyman of our time. Think about it. I'm talking about kids that grew up with the constant talk of a nuclear attack. We had nuclear blast drills, and AIDS was our boogeyman. The AIDS scare was huge, but was it manufactured? I'm going to take you down a winding road of how vulnerable people in this country have been used as test subjects under the guise of helping the mass. So I want you all to remember as we talk through this shit, this was all done for you. None of this was done for profit. This was all done to help you. All right? Remember that. Have you ever heard of Willowbrook? All right, so Willowbrook was a hospital for young mentally challenged children. It was located in Staten Island, New York. This hospital was notorious for helping a doctor come up with the hepatitis vaccine. Let's watch a short video on how we got the hepatitis vaccine and how we, the United States of America, use disabled children as guinea pigs to get the vaccine. There's Willowbrook. There's a lot of information on Willowbrook, too, but we're not gonna get into all that tonight. young Geraldo Rivera in the 70s, he snuck into Willowbrook with a camera and he uncovered just shocked everyone. Jason: Hmm. Bryan: But I guess it wasn't enough because they stayed open until the mid eighties. That hospital was built to house 4,000 children, and there was reports there was 6,000 crammed into that place, just laying on the floor. Some of them just laying in their own feces. Jason: Damn. Bryan: And it was also reported that this these kids that got this hepatitis virus and they said they fed it to So they were putting feces in their milkshakes. Fucking horrible, huh? Jason: That's disgusting, dude. Bryan: And this is the PG version. Okay. Jason: Right, right. Bryan: I I I didn't want to get too sick too early in the show. All right. But I if you really want to learn more about Willowbrook, there's a lot of information out there. but I just wanted to show you what we're capable of here in this country. And this is just what we know about. Jason: Well, there was no social media and the thing that's we, we talked about this before. There are no telling what all happened before we Bryan: that was a lot. Jason: got access to stuff. Bryan: yeah. And the amount of shit that's still covered up. Jason: Right, and we still want to trust our government. Bryan: Well yeah, like I told you, all all of this was done for you. Jason: You can't sit there and say this shit was happening and the government didn't know anything about it. Bryan: It was done for you, Jason. It was to help you. It was to give you the hepatitis Jason: so they, they took some mental disabled kids that aren't any good to social or, know, our social chain and use them as guinea pigs to help us out that aren't. Bryan: If they helped the masses. And we're not done. Yeah. Jason: Yeah, with a few, right? Bryan: Well we're not done with that yet. But yeah, that that's gonna be a theme tonight. It it's it's really fucked up that Jason: The sacrifice of few to help the masses. Yeah. I love Bryan: Yep. Jason: that moral compass. Bryan: Yeah, and you you and you pray on the week. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: That's the worst part. Jason: All right. They weren't gonna make it anyways, bro. Bryan: Yeah. Why? Yeah. Fucking sad. when you watch the videos of the the people that was in there, that that was, you know, the cartoon version. But a lot of those people that was in there had some serious mental issues, and Geraldo Rivera, he did a really good job back then. And then like I said, there's a bunch of information if y'all want to get into Willow Brooke. I I pulled up a bunch and We really want to get deep into it one night, we can. But the reason I brought up Willow Brooke is because there was a similar incident in the late 80s through the early 2000s that involved another New York hospital. And that was the ICC or the Incarnation Children's Center. Incarnation is a nursing facility in Washington Heights, Manhattan, affiliated with the Archdiocese of New York. You know, the Catholic charities. And Columbia University. From the late 1980s through the early 2000s, children living there and other New York City foster children with HIV were enrolled in clinical trials and related treatments for HIV. The NIH, the National Institute of Health, was funded by your tax dollars for these trials. And yes, Fauci was the man of the day back then also. DAIDS epidemic is where he got his claim to fame, so to speak. And you can't forget about Big Pharma. So we had Galaxo Smith Smith Klein, however you say that, Glaxo Smith, Klein, and Pfizer were also part of these trials. Now we're going to get back to Carnation later, but for now I want to take a trip down memory lane. If you're around my age, some of this may be familiar. Back in the 80s, we were told that AIDS came from Africa. Like someone just fucked a monkey and boom, eights. You Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: know, and it the monkey fucking thing was a running joke, was it not? Jason: Yeah, it was. I, you're, you're from down there. I'm from, you know, Midwest and we all heard the same thing. was from some, some dudes fucking monkeys. Bryan: They were fucking monkeys, then that's where eats come from. Boom. One thing was for sure, you you were not but under any circumstances allowed to say AIDS was associated with gay men and drug users users that shared needles. You was not allowed to say that. God forbid you say that AIDS was a gay and drug user related issue. If you did, I mean you got shouted down, kinda like today. And I don't I don't know why, but If you thought that gay men was the reason of AIDS, you Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: you a homophobe. But today they use gay men on commercials for AIDS medicines. You know? So today you can say it and you can actually market it, but back then you was a homophobe. Well, and don't get me wrong, there were some outliers back then, you know, that but that was the exception, not the rule. I think it was like Ryan White, he he had a blood transfusion, the kid that they kicked out of school for AIDS. He was an outlier. But majority of it was gay men and people that use drugs. Even the information back then pointed this out. But it was framed by our leaders and media that it was basically monkey fucking, you know? It didn't make any sense. Jason: Yeah. Well, what was funny too with it? I understand the shared needles thing because of, know, Bryan: The blood. Jason: if somebody has it and they share a needle or whatever, it's a blood, you sharing it through blood Bryan: Mm-hmm. Jason: con or, know, contacted contact, because I remember one time I forget what back in the day, they thought it was like spit, like saliva, like kissing and thing. And they said you'd have to drink like a five gallon bucket of some of his saliva in order to contract it. I just remember hearing that because I was like, thinking of, mean, who's, who's sitting there with the fricking big slug or big glug of spit sitting there like, yeah, no, whatever. Bryan: Well maybe that would maybe that was the PG way of saying man juice. You know, and spit. Jason: Yeah, but I don't understand other than the, the tearing of the anal lining or something like where, where'd anal sex come into it? Why wasn't it vaginal sex? Bryan: Because ain't I I looked into that also, I'm glad you said that. It was more so with anal sex because the tissue inside your asshole Jason: Yeah. Bryan: is is more it absorbs more. Jason: Okay. Bryan: So you're more inclined to picking it up that way than you are through vaginal sex. Jason: Okay. Bryan: Not that you can't get it through vaginal sex, but you're more inclined to get it through anal sex. And you will get rips or whatever in it. But it says and that might be why people were talking about I I don't know why this popped my head. We're talking about how they would soak a tampon and alcohol and stick it up their ass and they'd get drunk probably 'cause of absorption. Probably the same thing. I mean, I'm not a doctor or anything, but Jason: I don't know, it's just kind of weird, like. Bryan: It the asshole from what I read absorbs man juice more than the mouth or the vagina. Do that make sense? That Jason: Okay. Yeah. Bryan: that that that Jason: appreciate the, the class there, but yeah, I just never understood that because that after the monkey F and thing came, it was finally got out. was shared needles and anal sex. mean, you're like, Bryan: All right, so now thinking back to what I just said that the man juice getting into the body goes quicker through the asshole, right? And and Jason: Yeah. Bryan: we were all joked about the monkey fucking because it came from Africa and it was all the monkey fucking. All right. So if the guy's fucking the monkey, AIDS ain't going anywhere. The monkey has to fuck the guy for AIDS to come to humans. Huh? Jason: Yeah. Bryan: No one ever told us that monkeys were fucking dudes. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: That that's a whole new scenario, really. Jason: Yeah. Where was that video tape at? Bryan: Yeah. But they knew this back then that gay men and people that shared needles had the biggest chance of catching AIDS. But they wouldn't tell you that. And so why would our government not want to give us the correct information, you know? Jason: And it was highly around. the African-American community too. Wasn't it? I could have sworn this was rampant. Bryan: I I don't Jason: Like the cases felt like it was, Yeah, it was. Black, Bryan: It was heavily in in the Jason: black Americans and Hispanics. Bryan: Yeah, I didn't I didn't know that. I didn't read I didn't go into, you know, ethnicities. Jason: In the 1980s, it was mainly white Americans accounted for the largest number. Late 19 or early late 1980s, HIV infections among black Americans surpassed those among white Americans in 1988. In 96 black Americans accounted for approximately 41 % of reported adult AIDS cases becoming the largest racial group affected. Bryan: That's because they raw dog. Jason: And then 2001 to 2004, black Americans accounted for approximately 50 % of AIDS diagnosis while Hispanic Americans accounted for about 20%. And then goes into why were some groups affected more than others. Bryan: So why would the black community affect more than Jason: It says researchers have identified several contributing factors, including differences in access to medical care, HIV testing and prevention, poverty, discrimination, and the spread of HIV within sexual and needle sharing networks. I'm taking this the wrong way either. What was this being pushed against that? It's pulling a Bryan: Pushed against what? Jason: thread there because of ethnicity. Were they hoping it was going to affect a certain group more? Yes. Yes. Bryan: Eradicate a certain group? It's possible. I was looking at it more as they needed the money. If if you just go ahead and say that it's only a small group of people, then American people don't back you for all the money that you want. You know? And we're gonna get into why they wanted this money in a little bit. And people will say now, because I'm starting to see this on on the internet, is well, y'all had that information back then. Okay. If if you if you wasn't alive back Yeah. Jason: You don't understand. Bryan: No, you have to understand in the eighties and nineties and shit, you you relied heavily on the news and newspapers to give you information. You know, you just didn't do a fucking Google search. There would there was medical information posted and printed somewhere. You know. Jason: And people weren't talking around the United States. You were just talking in your community and that's it. You didn't get outside Bryan: No. It that's it. Jason: unless you had family that lived in other areas, but other than that, you didn't call them up talking every day. Yeah, I Bryan: And you didn't call them either cause it cost you too much to call long distance. Jason: know. I think that was a big sham too. They didn't want you to Bryan: yeah. Jason: communicate. Bryan: So I we didn't have did they have the information technically? Yes. Did most people know where to find that information? No. Jason: We didn't have access to it. Bryan: I mean, we might I I'm not gonna say we didn't have access only because of the technicality is there was probably somewhere that we could have went, somewhere in this country where all these medical records were and you could read them. So technically you had access. How the fuck you got there? I couldn't even read the damn what was a Dewey Decimal system. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: And shit to go get a book out of the library. You know you don't Jason: Now I know you said you quit high school early, but did you ever do a research paper at all? Like at least one. Bryan: Yeah, I used to get I used to get detention to do my research paper. Jason: Okay. But you, you had to bring home like 20 books in order to do a five page research paper. Bryan: Yeah, yeah. I'd do Jason: You weren't going to sit here and do that for stuff like this. You just, you were, you were told something. You were just like, okay, that makes sense. And you went on or you got scared about it. You got, you know what I'm saying? Like you said, Bryan: yeah. we relax. Jason: this was, this was up there with the nuclear. Cold war. Bryan: this was our boogeyman. Jason: Yes. This was our COVID. Bryan: You escape the death of AIDS. Jason: You didn't want to play a physical contact sport after this came out. You were afraid if somebody got cut, like if your buddy got cut, you're like, figure it out, dude. I ain't touching that. Bryan: Yeah. And we relied on the government, not media to to give us the truth. As fucked up as that seems today, that's what we relied on. That's how we got our information. Am I right? Jason: Yeah. Bryan: But y what's sad is it seems like neither our government nor our media thinks we're smart enough to understand the truth. They just wanna give us their version. this led to years of stigmatism towards AIDS. This led to people being terrified of AIDS and And this was what they wanted, because if you knew that AIDS only affected a small group of people in our population, then we wouldn't be so acceptive to spending eight hundred to nine hundred billion on AIDS by our government since the nineteen eighties. Jason: the east. Bryan: The they thems wanted this money for research, and if you knew that this was only affected a small group of people, you may not have been so inclined to support all this money going to the AIDS research. It is stated that the government feared that if the public knew that AIDS mostly affected the small group, that those groups may have been alienated or worse, they may have been attacked. Which I'm not gonna say is probably not true. I mean, I they I can't deny that they they probably would have got attacked. if but wouldn't it also be true that these attacks on these groups? Would be a result of the fear that the government and media put into us. Jason: Yes. Bryan: You know? So the government created a problem and was given a solution that they wanted, right? The fucking infomercial model. Jason: Right. Yep. Bryan: They created a problem you don't have and gave us a fucking solution we didn't need. Jason: That's right. Created a disease just to give us a pill. Bryan: So we were also told that Africa was the epicenter of AIDS, right? Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: And that is may as well have been true. You know that the way they counted AIDS in Africa and the US was completely different, though. I didn't know this. So Liam Schiff, he pointed this out in a report that they did back in May 2003 through 2004. So in the United States and other developed nations, AIDS was counted using strict laboratory confirmed tests. Whereas in Africa, during the 80s and 90s, AIDS was counted primarily through a symptom-based scoring system because the blood testing infrastructure was largely unavailable. So in Africa, they use symptoms such as prolonged fever, chronic diarrhoea over a month, and severe weight loss where you lose More than 10% of your weight. But Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: but this overlapped with illnesses that were caused by bad water supplies, malnutrition, and tuberculosis. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Therefore, the numbers were inflated. Now, I'm not saying that there wasn't an issue with AIDS in Africa, because that that there was a lot of AIDS in Africa, but the numbers were inflated. I didn't know that, so I just I figured I'd just share that little tidbit information. All this created to cover that Fauci and the NIH needed to run tests on children at Carnation and likely other institutions. The Vera Institute review and reporting from the time both described the foster children in these trials as overwhelmingly black and Hispanic. That matched the demographics of the children with HIV in New York City at the time. Not a sep Jason: Well, what did I just read? Bryan: yep, not a separate racial filter inside the trials. So the pediatric HIV in the city in the 80s and 90s was concentrated in poor neighborhoods and was driven largely by maternal infection, often linked to injection, drug use, or sexual transmission. Almost 40% of the city's HIV-positive children were in foster care. Between 1977 and 2006, about 3,895 children in New York City were born with HIV. The children at ICC And in the wider foster care trials, were there because a parent had died, could not be found, or had lost custody. City child welfare authorities, not the parents, usually held the power to consent. Liam Schiff wrote a multi-part series called The House That AIDS built between 2003 and 2004, based from his investigation into the ICC. In his report, He highlighted a boy he called Daniel. Now, according to the reporting, Daniel was about 14 years old, living at or through the ICC. He repeatedly refused to take the meds because they made him sick. A worker quoted a caseworker for children's services telling Daniel's aunt. That they had already changed his meds three times, and the remaining option was surgery. Dant was told that if she refused the operation, the agency would take the custody of Daniel. She signed off, and Daniel was sent to Columbia Presbyterian and returned three weeks later. He returned with a port through the abdominal wall of his stomach and from then on received his meds through that port like he was a fucking cow. A former resident told the BBC that those who refused the meds were held down and forced to take the meds or they would end up with a port in their stomach. So I assume that that was a good deterrent to get the children to take their fucking meds, huh? Jason: Yeah. Bryan: There was also staff interviews that described the use of nasal tubes to force children to take their meds when they refused and surgical tubes in the stomach when vomiting or refusal continued. I didn't find anything stating how common these abdominal tubes were, but for what I gathered, it was at least two patients identified as having them. Fucked up. Jason: Geez. These are kids. They're, mean, anybody having this done. I'm a damn dude. I don't even consent to people on death row having this done to them. Bryan: We got it around here. Jason: You know, you, you brought up Fauci I'm not trying to get too far off subject, but this live firing squad for that cat over at Fort hood. I think Fauci ought to be put on one. And I think every damn person should be given the option that didn't get us be with their loved one on their dying moment. You know what I'm saying? Bryan: Yeah, what he did was fucked up. And he was this was him. Jason: Yeah. This came out hard after COVID. This was his Bryan: What's that about AIDS? Jason: baby. The AIDS was his baby. Bryan: Yeah, that that was his claim to fame. Jason: And I don't think it came. I don't think it just came out of nowhere. think it was a manufactured disease, just like COVID. Bryan: Monkey fuck the dude, man. Jason: Yeah, I guess monkey fuck Fauci, right? Bryan: It's sad that I mean that that's what went around the country at that time was the monkey fucking. That's how you got AIDS. Monkey fucking. Well, think about COVID. That started w they talk about the wet market and a bat, then a pangolin. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: It's quite possible. I mean, they talk about animals giving you shit, you know. So Mickey Mouse was fucking a pangolin if you you watch South Park. I mean, that's how you got COVID. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: So here's a couple of headlines that just to show you. Yeah, that was actually in the New York Post, February twenty ninth, two thousand four. And then Jason: Some 50 foster kids were used as guinea pigs in 13 experiments with high doses of AIDS medication at Manhattan's Incarceration Children's Center sources said. Most of the ICC experiments were funded by federal grants. I mean, that's federal grants. Bryan: Yeah, it was I and I ate shit. And then we got the observer, which is the guardian. So you'll see it here, it's gonna say guardian, but it was the observer. This is April fourth, two thousand four. Galaxyl Smith Klein and Broaden Scandal. Jason: embroiled in scandal in which babies and children were allegedly used as laboratory animals. Bryan: So and then we have this one, this was the AP through NBC. Jason: Government tested AIDS drugs on foster kids. Huh? Wonder if that's why foster kids are. foster kids. Bryan: No, it's pretty fucked up, man. And while I'm talking about children being used as guinea pigs, there are many examples of using vulnerable people as lab rats. And here's some of the examples. So the Holmesburg Prison, Philadelphia, the University of Pennsylvania dermatologist Albert Kligman used inmates as test subjects. Men were exposed to dioxin, radioactive material, asbestos, herpes, wart virus, and other agents. Klingman called them acres of skin. Prisoner did receive small payments as an incentive. So who was involved in that? Johnson and Johnson, Dow Chemical, US Army. Penn apologized in two thousand twenty one for the lack of informed consent, especially towards black prisoners. So there's that. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Stateville Penitentiary, Illinois, 1944 to 1974. University of Chicago researchers backed by the Army and State Department infected inmates with malaria through mosquito bites and to test drugs. San Quentin, 1913 to 1951. Prison physician Leo Stanley implanted testicular tissue from executed men. So they took the balls from executed men. and from animals and put them into other inmates to see if he can rejuvenate their sex and eugenics experiment. Ohio State Penitentiary in the nineteen fifties, Chester Southam injected live cancer cells into prisoners to study immune response. Oregon and Washington prisons nineteen sixty three to nineteen seventy three. Atomic Energy Commission used radiation on the balls of about one hundred twenty five prisoners to measure reproductive damage. By early nineteen seventies, the FDA estimated that more than ninety percent of testing of new drugs were first tested on prisoners. Other documented work included flu bars, gonorrhea, and scurvy. Jason: Scurvy. Bryan: Scurvy. Jason: Scurvy. Bryan: A few more with children, orphans, and state wards. We already talked about Willowbrook. that for Fernall State School, Massachusetts, MIT researchers funded by Quaker Oaks and approved by the Atomic Energy Commission fed radioactive iron and calcium in oatmeal and milk to about 74 boys ages 10 to 17. Boys were recruited through a science club. In nineteen eight, Philadelphia researchers infected dozen of children at Saint Vincent's orphanage with tuberculosis. In nineteen twelve to nineteen thirteen, a live tuberculosis vaccine was tested on two hundred and sixty-two children in a North Carolina orphanage. In eighteen ninety-five, a New York physician intentionally infected two disabled boys ages four and sixteen with gonorrhea. During World War II, more than a hundred teenagers at an Ohio orphans home received repeated experimental dysentery vaccine injections. We did this shit in Guatemala. From nineteen forty-six to forty-eight, where researchers infected prisoners, soldiers, psychiatric patients and orphans with syphilis and gonorrhea without their knowledge. The US government later apologized though. So that was nice of them. And we just Jason: We're sorry. Bryan: We sorry. And we just went over incarnation children's center. That's fucked up, huh? Jason: Peace. Bryan: And and I'm only going through this with you because we're gonna get a little darker here in a little bit. And I want everyone to understand we live with fucking evil people. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: We do. And I'm just laying this shit out and showing you what happened in history. This is proven. So I'm I'm not making that shit up by no means. That's just how sick we are. You know? That's our government at work. And they did that for you. Jason: Tell me that shit's not demonic. Bryan: Right. You have to think like you on a God level when you start to inject people Jason: Your morals are out the damn door for that, Brian. There's no morals in any of that. Bryan: No, I If it depends on what our morals and our and and the way we look at no. But someone that has a God complex might think that what they're actually doing is helping people because they don't look at these people as much of anything because they're inferior to them. You don't get to have a God complex. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: So in there they think they're doing something right. We look at it like that's a human life. Yeah. They just look at it like that's just a stepping stone to get where they need to be. Two different worlds. Two totally different worlds. I'm not I don't agree with what they did at all. I think it's completely fucked up. And that's the whole reason I want to show it. You know, and talk about it. But we're gonna get darker and I think we're good, huh? It's not that bad yet, right? Is it pretty fucked up? It's fucked up? Okay. Jason: It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. Yeah. Bryan: But they did it for you, Jason. Think about it. Jason: Fuck that, dude. Bryan: If they wouldn't infected all those kids, you wouldn't have the hepatitis vaccine. You wouldn't have all these AIDS medicines that you see being sold on television now. Jason: Yeah, whatever. Bryan: They did it for you. That's all they're gonna tell you all the time. It's always for you. They did it for you. That's why none of these motherfuckers are in jail. Because they did it for you. Hell one up. Jason: They saved more lives than they took. Bryan: It would look yeah, exactly. That's how they'll look at it. Jason: And the people that they did this to weren't going to amount to anything anyways. Bryan: It's sad, but yes. Y you're exactly right. Jason: Nobody wanted them kids in them foster homes. Nobody, you know, the prisoners done gave up their rights when they broke the law. Bryan: Now, if you in prison and you want to get in some voluntary fucking testing and shit like that, yeah, that's on you. You know, but these prisoners that's going through this shit with without consent, Jason: Yeah. Bryan: that that's a little fucked up. Jason: Yeah. When they're hiding shit and putting it in stuff that they don't even know. Yeah. Bryan: yeah. Especially like those kids. You feed radioactive shit. Jason: Yeah. Quaker oats. I mean, come Bryan: Yeah. Jason: on Quaker. I was excited to get back to the hotel to have my oatmeal. Bryan: Mm-hmm. Better make sure it ain't got no fucking radioactive. Jason: I'm gonna have to put a little radio thing on there. my hair be all glowing like that. I ain't got no hair. Bryan: Yeah, got no hair. right, real quick. Jason: I just don't, I don't want to be called racist like Brian. So I cover it up. Bryan: Real quick before we get any darker, if this is already messing with your head, do us a favor, like the episode, share it with someone, follow the show and subscribe so the next one actually reaches you. We are not the algorithm. You are. All right. So we're gonna go a little darker. What do you know about baby farms? Jason: I've heard of it before where they're getting women pregnant in order to have babies in order to have, organs. Bryan: Yep, and we're gonna discuss that. And that's the whole reason why I set this up, because people are gonna say that's not true. But when you show what just happened in history, and again, that's the PG version, Jason: Right. Bryan: you'll understand that this shit's gonna true. Now, here's what you'll find sometimes when you look up baby farms. This is what is called a Victorian baby farm. Fucking good old days, huh? Jason: Yeah. I take back saying, I wish I was back in that time error. Bryan: Yeah, well Jason: You want some mercury with your milk? Hell yeah. Bryan: Yeah, that's pretty fucked up. At least they got opium. Jason: Yeah, they got old at a young age. Kids are getting high. Betcha they slept Bryan: All right, so Jason: good. Bryan: I guess I shouldn't be laughing, but I I should Jason: No, no, because we talked about giving kids Benadryl on a long trip and shit. Bryan: No. Jason: I mean, I just wanted to make sure they didn't have allergies or, but them kids were getting opium. mean, don't call me a bad parent. I wouldn't get my kids to drugs. Huh? Bryan: There's a lot of people that's jealous about that, you know, opium. There's a lot of people jealous about not y you see I have opium in a bottle. I mean now motherfuckers Jason: Yeah. Bryan: go to jail. Jason: Lot, Lodin or something like that back in the day. Lodin. Yeah. Bryan: That's what they called it, loggin? Laden? Jason: It was for headaches and stuff, but it, yeah, it was opium based tombstone. Bryan: Okay. Yeah, that's true. I forgot she was sipping on some syrup back then. Jason: Yeah. She had that cough syrup, dude, with the opium in it. Maddie, she got hooked on that stuff, but no, I mean, it's, gosh. Yeah. This is stuff you didn't hear from your grandparents growing up. You know what I'm saying? Bryan: He didn't. Nobody wanted to talk about shit like this. Now, so while Jason: Yeah. Bryan: while that's fucked up, and I get it, you know, that's not where we're going with this. So the baby farms we're gonna talk about are distinct from the Victorian era. Baby farms that we're gonna talk about are facilities where often young born vulnerable of some reason. Women, girls, kids are held captive and impregnated often by rape, forced to give birth to And then the inference are taken from them and usually sold for illegal adoption. But sometimes these kids are sold into trafficking networks. Nigeria accounts for the large amount of documented modern cases, isolated or smaller scale cases that have appeared elsewhere, including Thailand and Malaysia, Kenya, and occasional references in other places in the world, like Asia and a broader trafficking context than Eastern Europe. Just on a side note, there's also egg harvesting. Where they take the eggs from young vulnerable women and girls of IVF Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Petri dish babies. This was reportedly happening in Nepal, India, and other countries, recruiting poor young women. There were Thai women allegedly enslaved in the country of Georgia for this purpose. I found that, so I figured I would just share that with you. And I'm sure there's more. Around the world and likely in the US. But for our discussion, we're only gonna talk about what was documented, or at least what I found documented. Let me get my tinfall hat for this shit. Because it states in most of the reports that I found that most of these children from these farms were sold into adoption. There's only brief mentions about them being sold into trafficking networks. All right. But judging by the shit we've started learning of the rich pedophiles in the world, I would highly doubt that these children are only used to make someone's family whole. Yeah. I showed you numerous issues with people in the US adopting and fostering an infant and molesting the damn infant, which normally leads to the death of that poor child. We we've seen that in episodes in the past. So it's hard for me to believe that these kids that are born into this world with no knowledge of anyone except the criminals running the baby farms, that these kids are going to a good fucking home. It's just hard hard for me to believe that, right? Jason: No. Bryan: Now you you can call me cynical, but yeah, I don't I don't buy that. I did see in some reports that some of these children were trafficked into sex work as they grew older, but there isn't a number on that stat. There were multiple Nigerian reports and investigations that allege that some of these infants were sold for traditional religious rituals, witchcraft, or money rituals. This shit is wrong on all levels. The girls are rape and impregnated. God knows what happens to them when they're no longer useful. The infants are sold to people that just want to start a family. At least that's what the storyline says, anyway. One 2015 NGO reference cited. An average of about 10 children were sold daily in southeastern Nigeria. Around 200 underground facilities have been shut down. over the roughly five year window. But it's also said that he's two hundred underground facilities. Yep, so around forty facilities a year. Jason: How many, how many facilities? 200. That's a lot, right? Bryan: A little bit. Two hundred. Jason: That's a lot. Bryan: Yeah, but it says that as soon as these facilities are shut down, they just pop up somewhere else. That's a lot of demand, right? Jason: Yeah. Bryan: And so there there's no true number of illegal kids brought into this world through these baby farms 'cause there's no fucking record, right? There are claims of thousands annually in high activity regions, but that's unconfirmed. I personally I think it's high when you consider that many of these are likely, you know. Jason: They don't want the true numbers getting out or even close. Bryan: No. Well, I asked Gronk to give me a best guess of children born through just the Nigerian network. All right. And this is just a wild Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: ass guess because it doesn't have all these numbers, right? So it said a l on the low end, a few hundred babies a year. The most plausible giving, with the under reporting and everything going, the most plausible number that he can have he Gronk is one thousand to three thousand babies per year. And on the Jason: That's crazy, dude. Bryan: And on the high end, five thousand in peak years. So the the best guess is between fifteen hundred and twenty five hundred babies a year. Jason: are being produced. Bryan: are being produced through these things. Jason: Jeez. Bryan: Where are those fucking kids going? They're all going to a you know, illegal adoption. Jason: Yeah, bullshit. Bullshit. Bryan: Mm-hmm. It's fucked up, huh? Jason: The foster, the foster system is littered with kids. problem is they, those kids are tracked. They're named, you know what I'm saying? They got paperwork on them. All that, this stuff I think you're talking about. There's no, probably no documentation or trail on these. Bryan: they're but they probably these kids don't probably even have a name. They probably just numbered. Jason: I know if it's so think about it. You, you take, you take this poor lady, hold her down. You harvest her eggs out of her, right? You grow a baby in a Petri dish. Cause all you got to have is egg and the sperm and a warm place to put it. Right. You create a baby. You don't have to give it anything. No documentation. Nope. Nothing. Now you get whatever you get out of it. Tissue organs, nasty shit. Bryan: it's it's fucked up. Jason: rituals, like you said, like sacrifice, baby sacrificing. mean, we've heard rumors of that and, that the Epstein Island, you know what I'm saying? Or amongst the elite. Bryan: d I'm sure. Jason: How do they continue doing that Brian? And, and you don't have kids missing. Well, that's the easy way right there. Just harvest your own. What's your, what's your crop in your area? Y'all, y'all got sugar cane and all that. And we got corn Bryan: No, we got sugar cake. Jason: and beans and wheat and they got babies. You know what I'm saying? Bryan: No, it's all that's all for your illegal adoptions. Jason: Yeah. Come on, Where'd you and Bryan: It it's it's estimated Jason: your wife get that baby from? we can't talk. Bryan: I don't think how would you bring a kid I I I'm sure there's a way to do it, but how would you bring a kid in to the country with it would have to have fake papers if Jason: Why would you do that? Bryan: No, I well, yeah, I I understand what you're saying, but they they're saying that it's mostly illegal adoptions, right? Jason: Well, can we go ahead and raise our hands and the justice of making people listen to this full thing or a clip being done with this? We both do not. I've got oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. If you believe people are adopting these kids. Bryan: yeah. I'm not gonna say that I'm not gonna say that all of being traffic or harvested, right? But then d major Jason: Who needs to adopt illegally? Bryan: majority of ain't being adopted. I I I agree with that too. I don't know. And I I I don't know. I think it's it's a completely fucked up system, is what I think. Jason: If you're, if you're being legal with that kid, not, not adopted in or what, if you're doing, if you're being a good parent to that kid, why, why are you having to go through this to get the kid? If you're not going to be doing some shady ass shit to that kid, why does this kid need to be not documented? Or go through the legal process of adoption. Adoption. There is a lot of red tape. It's for the protection of the damn kid because of all the sickos out there, just like guns. Bryan: Well now that now that you see it, yeah, it it's ridiculous. Jason: But still, if you're that adamant to get to adopt a kid or to make your family or build a family because you and your wife can't have kids, you'll go through that process. You will. If you're Bryan: So Jason: a good person. Bryan: let's assume that there's Jason: What are these, Teemu kids? Bryan: Yeah, let's assume that it's only fifteen hundred to twenty five hundred kids annually that come through this. All right. Let's Jason: Okay. Bryan: let's assume that. Let's let's say two thousand. Let's split the difference. Two thousand. Jason: Okay. Bryan: What the hell do you do with two thousand kids? so let's say that we we we accept that more than likely than they're not being adopted to a great home, right? Jason: Okay. Bryan: Why do you need let let's just say that half of we'll we'll split difference. Half of was was illegal adoptions. We'll say that. The other thousand went to trafficking or whatever. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: How do we have such a demand for that if that's the case? That's a lot of fucking kids. Jason: I don't buy into that. They admit this is going on, but they're downplaying it. There's that many people out there, Brian, that just messed up, that can't make it for legal adoption. And we're just trying to give them a chance. Bryan: Yeah, I don't I don't think those kids went to loving homes and treated with care. I just don't. Yeah. Jason: I don't think they're being adopted either to a bad home. I think they're being. Bryan: Yeah. Jason: There's some nasty sick shit that is going on. Bryan: Well, let's take it to another level. All right. Jason: Take it there. Get your jackhammer out. Bryan: So we're gonna shift gears and now we're gonna go to Mexico. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: And I wanna show you a case called the Mexican outschwitch. And if you listen, this video is from March of this year. Jason: So why would you need that? Bryan: An oven? That's for Jason: No, an extermination camp. Bryan: Well, let's see. I got another video that explains that a little bit further. I don't know if it actually explains that but I'm gonna show you this one just in case you have any more questions. Jason: A disposal. that what we're calling it? Like after they're done getting what they need off you, they need to dispose of you. Correct. Bryan: Well, th I've I've watched multiple things and read multiple things about this extermination camp. And then some of them, from what I understood, is I'm a cartel and I'm luring Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: you in there and I'm trying to get you to join the cartel and you don't want to join them, they just get rid of And some of they're just catching them on the side the road and just fucking exterminating them. They might be opening them up and taking their bone. I don't know. They they didn't give exactly what happened to all of because They just found bones and shit. Jason: Right. Bryan: Here's there's another portion of what that guy was saying. No, I didn't find anything though that actually linked that to Argor Harvesting. Nothing that was proven. Let's just put it that way. But I just wanted to show what the cartel what what the nature of are. You know? these motherfuckers they they evil. They don't give a shit about life at all. Not one bit. I mean, they just want money. Therefore you can assume that they would not be against selling your fucking organs. Now there there is a case of organ harvesting and this is La Diabla. That lady was the mastermind of Argon Harvesting. Jason: Thank you. Bryan: Do you believe that though? Jason: No. Bryan: So w I didn't hear much about this. We covered this a little bit in one of our earlier episodes, but I didn't hear much about this on the news. But here's old Tulsa Gabbard at one of the cabinet meetings, you know, telling Trump about it. So d do you b believe she was the head of this operation? Ha ha ha. Jason: No, I'm not judging people by their looks, but yeah. Bryan: Yeah, I don't yeah. According to the reports that I've seen, and this was from the operations performed on a the the operations to remove the organs were performed in a house by an unlicensed person with the help of a nurse over a phone. That was the official account that I read were laid out. Jason: Call the help desk. Okay. You see the belly button now. Hey, everybody. Right. Let me, I'm not making fun of this. I'm just saying, come on, man. I'd laugh because it's that F'ed up that they think we would believe that. Bryan: No, I gre yeah, I understand what you're saying. Jason: They probably had doctors in there, crooked doctors performing this shit. Bryan: I would I would assume yeah. Jason: Maybe that woman was help helping get attract women. Cause she looked like she was not doing well off either. So maybe she had something common then could get these women right. Bryan: Yep, maybe so. I Jason: but I don't think she was the ringleader of that shit. Bryan: don't think she was a fucking ringleader. And the US intelligence, like Tulsa Gabra Jason: Peace. Bryan: says, they state that this was a harvest organ harvesting scheme. But the charges that what they laid out doesn't account for that. Now I don't know if Mexico did something different, because I don't think she's charged in the United States. I think it's through Mexico. There there isn't a lot of information on it. You know, so and honestly it's it's it's likely designed that way as the Mexican cartels control most of Mexico, right? But that's just me Jason: Right. Bryan: speculating 'cause I'm not Jason: Yeah, that's you. Bryan: So there is a market for human organs. That's that isn't deniable. We know that. Currently, there are more than a hundred thousand people waiting for a life-saving organ transplant in the US alone. It is estimated that 12 to 13 people will die each day waiting on an organ transplant. The most needed organ transplant is overwhelmingly the kidney at 85% of all needed transplants. Of the hundred thousand people waiting on a transplant, more than twenty two hundred of them are children under the age of eighteen. More than five hundred of these children are under the age of five. The average cost of a kidney transplant is four hundred fifty thousand dollars before insurance. The cost of a kidney transplant on the black market is estimated between fifty to two hundred thousand dollars. Big big difference if you don't have insurance. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: So let's watch a short video on organ organ harvesting and then we'll get into a great moral question. This is Julian Dory and Mariana Vanzuela. What would you do to save your Child We looked at all this shit tonight, right? How Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: bad everything is. Now you got the black market. All you got is $200,000. You don't have insurance. But you can save your child if you go down to Mexico. You don't know where that fucking organ comes from, but you can save your child. Would you do it? Jason: Mm. Bryan: Fucking hard moral question, isn't it? Jason: It is. Bryan: How about you out there? Would y'all do it? I don't know. Honestly. I would go to hell for my child. You know, the only problem I would have is would that if you know, if I brought my child down there, would that bring my child to hell to meet me? Cause I have no problem Jason: Mm-mm. Bryan: doing what I have to do to keep my child alive. Right. And that will fuck my afterlife up, but I'm willing to do that for my child. My only moral question would be how would that affect my child if my child stayed alive? You know, with someone else's kidney. So that would fuck me up. But that is a tough pill to swallow 'cause man, I try to live my life in the best way possible. And I looked at all this shit and like Jason: Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and lie. I mean, I don't know. It's just like when you try to empathize with somebody that's lost a child. Bryan: Yeah, and you yeah, I get that. Jason: I've never lost a child. can't sit there and say, I don't know how I would act. seen a doctor that, on Tik TOK that was saying, or talking about being, doing abortions all the way up to, forget how many weeks, 26 weeks, something like that. And he said, when, you know, he's, he's done a ton of them and you, you have to put all the body parts out on a tray because you have to account for everything. Because if you don't have the exact amount of body parts, then there's something in there in the lady. And she could get sick and die and all, you know what I'm saying? So you have to, it's an inventory and Bryan: Damn, I didn't know that. Hm. Jason: you know what, where he stopped doing abortions. His, his daughter died in a car wreck. or some kind of accident or whatever. And now those body parts became a person to him instead of just his job. And he said the next, after that happened and he did his next abortion, threw up. He said he fought his way through it and then it hit him. And then he went down to the, like, he wouldn't do any, unless it was like a one or two weeks. And then after that, eventually he just stopped doing them and decided there was no, we talked about that, right? The abortion thing. So I mean, what, what do you, what changes your more moral compass? What, what changes your mind? What? Where do you cross the line? And you just brought up your kid. Bryan: I don't know. Jason: A lot of people would throw their morals to the ground to save their kid. Bryan: Yep. I it's a tough one. And I I know it was gonna be a dark and tough night. I it was intended to be that way. I think this is some of the shit we need to look at we we don't look at. sometimes you gotta you gotta ask yourself those uncomfortable questions. You gotta have these uncomfortable talks. If you have a question, a correction, or a story that you can stand behind, email us at the Sense and Senseless Podcast at Outlook.com. We read them. We will if we use them, we'll see where it came from. We'll bring you, you know, we'll we'll give you some props. But you know, send us some shit. So here is the only question that matters after all that. Not what the government did, not what a cartel did. What would you do if the transplant list, the trial, or the black market was the difference between your child breathing and not? Would you sit with your moral compass? We're not telling you to answer. We're telling you the record is uglier than the slogan. Sit with it. And maybe discuss it with others. You got anything, Jason? All right, guys. Thanks for joining us. It's been a pleasure. We appreciate every single one of you. This is the Sense and Senseless Podcast I'm Bryan. Jason: I'm Jason. Bryan: He's Jason. Peace. Jason: Peace.