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EDP42: Valencia Marathon / US Cross country trials · Easy Double podcast

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Hello and welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 42.
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This is as close to a live record as we're ever going to
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get, given that if the Valencia Marathon finished about, well,
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some people are probably still running.
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But the the people we were following, we're just finishing
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in the past half hour or so. So be prepared for a lack of
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analysis. But we'll we'll have to go deep
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on the opinions. So welcome to the show.
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Owen Smith, how you doing post long run?
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You've managed to squeeze it in somewhere.
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Yeah. As soon as long as you finish, I
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am jumped at the door for 90 minutes in that it was actually
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it was raining, but it wasn't too heavy.
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It was just a nice sort of sprinkle rain and it was sort of
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like, I got, like, wet and lucky enough that, like, you have to
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jump in the shower, put your clothes on because it's just
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like, splattered at the back. So I have to do nowadays, yeah,
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because the country roads are so dirty.
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But I'm not feeling good. Yeah.
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Been a good week. What's temperature saying out
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there this morning? It's actually humid enough out
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here today. It's 11°, feels like 7.
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That's not bad for mid-december. Yeah, it's, yeah, It's weird.
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It's open. Like you get a few cold days and
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then it picks up. Yeah, can't complain.
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Yeah, good. Welcome to the show on this fine
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Sunday evening. Dean Menzies, how are you?
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Good mate. Doing well, yeah, on mute
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because the kids are currently screaming, but otherwise doing
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all right. Yeah, we're working with tight
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agenda here as well, aren't we trying to squeeze in before the
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finale of the F1 season. So I guess before we get into
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the run and who do we think is going to end up with the the
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crown there? I'm hoping Lando and Max crash
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caught, you know, the first turn and then Oscar wins.
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I can see Max's P1. It maxes in pole.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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I can see him backing up the field and just causing chaos
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because he sort of needs chaos, doesn't he?
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Yeah, like, yeah, he's not going to drive.
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Away with it because I'd be no point.
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Because he needs, he needs Lando to finish below third.
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Is it? Yeah.
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So I think, I think the last two times it's been a three horse
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race, the person in 3rd has actually won it.
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So that favours piastry. But I just can't see land on
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Iris not winning from here. So I want Max Saraszko to win,
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but I think Lando's going to win.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he's like 4th or 5th after the first
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corner because he's just going to absolutely tiptoe into that
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land though, isn't he? Yeah, but you can't blame him
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either. Yeah, he knows he's got like, if
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not the best, equal, best car on the grid.
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So I knows he needs to do is put it in the top three.
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He just needs to stay out of trouble.
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So he'd probably get a fat check for that as well.
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What do you for one on it? Not half.
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Although I think they're on like massive salaries as well aren't
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they? So maybe like the actual prize
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money isn't that good in comparison to the salary.
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They paid a rather large amount regardless.
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I thought they had fairly large bonus parts of their contract,
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like based on performance, So not that they're the whole
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thing's large, but yeah. Two things we won't be speaking
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about is cricket and or Premier League football.
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Liverpool and Mohamed Saleh, so we'll just slip past them.
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Yeah, if I was on for that episode where you guys are
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speaking about cricket, I would have just turned it off after
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freaking like 2 seconds. Cricket isn't a thing in Ireland
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but. We can turn it off.
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Now, but the World Cup is right in Ireland.
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It's actually that you guys make it.
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For what Soccer? Yeah.
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Well, we'll see in March. Yeah.
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OK. So you're in one of those?
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Qualified to play, we have to play Denmark and then if we beat
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Denmark, we play some other random team.
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I don't know, but we always lose Denmark, so we'll see.
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Is it decided which group you will go into if you make it all
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the way? Which one is?
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That it's like Mexico, so Africa and then some other shit team so
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we could. Have half a chance?
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Yeah, if we actually get you to group, we could win the World
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Cup. It's coming home.
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America's drawer isn't too bad. It's very good.
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And you see America's response to it, Yeah.
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Cheeky bastards. Just trolling us.
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They're like just basically saying that like we'll be
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shocked if we don't win top out group given we've got Australia
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in it and I think it might be Paraguay and then the winner of
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like Turkey and Kosovo and someone else, but basically.
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You are pretty shit. Your women's team is better than
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your lad's team. Oh yeah, yeah, no, this is true.
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Yeah. Because nearly a shit is island
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I think. Because the US, the home nation,
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they get seeded in the top part. So like they were more concerned
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about who was going to come out of Part 2 because there's a few
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dangerous teams in there and Australia were in Part 2.
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So they were happy about that, but I don't think they were
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quite considering that Australia would also be happy that they
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got USA as their per seat. 100%. How?
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Well, good fun. Hi.
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So we do have some running to speak about.
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Remarkably, it's been Valencia Marathon, it's been the US cross
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country selection trials for the world cross country in January
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as well. So all sorts of things going on.
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I reckon we speak about the stuff over in the USA first, so
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then we can dedicate a lot of time to Valencia if that's OK
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with you boys. Think you were tuning in.
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Was it like overnight last night for us, Dean, and Saturday night
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for you, maybe? Yeah, it was, I think it was on
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like 9 around 9:00 ten o'clock for me.
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And yeah, the coverage I am, I was just scrolling on Instagram
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and then I seen, I think it was like Serious Mag put up like,
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oh, you can watch it here. And I thought it was going to be
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up behind that like flow track paywall.
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But when I went into it, it was like free and the coverage was
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genuinely the best coverage I've ever seen of like a running
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event. Like now, bear in mind this is
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not on the track. Like it's actually around the
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golf course. And it was actually proper cross
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country as well. To be fair for Americans, it
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wasn't on some pancake flat, bone dry golf course.
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There was actually hills. It was mucky.
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And they still managed to like film it, like record it
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perfectly. Like those big massive like pine
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trees around it looked so so cool.
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The muck that the that the lead car that went parallel with the
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course was constantly chunks of mud, but you're getting those
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chunks in high depth like it was very well.
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Yet the commentators kept on saying, oh sorry, there's muck
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from the Gator. But yeah, it was savage.
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When I was listening to one of the previews of this, they were
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referring to like, athletes chances as whether they were
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good mothers or not. Yeah, he's a mother.
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But on the way they done it was, I think it was like high school
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cross country as well. So then all of the kids could
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stay around and watch the pros run, which is just good for
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athletics. Like, it's the way it should be
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done. So yeah, USA doing all right.
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Yeah, and they had the masters afterwards.
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I think it was a full day of it, which is very clever.
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And they also set it up such that the the trials 1st 6 past
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the posts were selected into their national team.
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And given that America's hosting the world champs next month, it
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was, yeah, made for an exciting race because you you knew
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exactly what to watch for and who to watch for.
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And really, it was, I don't know.
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I don't know about you guys, but it was who was going to win it
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and then who was going to finish six or inside the top 6.
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I can recap the results if you like.
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Start with the women's race. Yeah.
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So the winner was Wayne Kiladi, second was Katie Izzo, third
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Edna Kirgat, 4th Carissa Schweitzer, 5th was Emily
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Venters and six was Grace Hartman.
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Maybe some notice some names just outside that were Ali
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Ostrander who I think is multiple time NCAA winner and
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returning from injury was 8th and then Parker Valby who you
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follow I think Ryan in 10th. And the way this race planned
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out, it was like it was a big group at the start and then the
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three women at the top when he, Kaladi, Katie Izzo and Nicaragua
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sort of broke away, and then there's a big group with the
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other girls. And yeah, it was good running.
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And Grace Hartman, she came sixth in NCAA's, which was
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pretty good now that she can represent the USA in the World
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Cross Country Championships. So yeah, it was good.
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Don't you like, isn't it impressive just how strong the
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NCAA, we'll probably talk about this as well when we talk about
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the men's, but like the NCAA athletes that were that
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competed, that were competitive in the NCAA's but then very
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competitive in this like it's the the level of competition is
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outrageous now. Did you see there was a thread
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on let's run regarding where Cam Myers with the finished in the
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NCAA cross country the other week?
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And some people are like putting them saying he could have won
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and stuff but haptoms bloody sub 27 minute 10K.
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Like I don't care how fast Cam's able to close, he's not.
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He's not there if it's 27 minutes fast.
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Yeah, no, no way. Not in my book.
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But it wasn't 27 minutes fast. It was.
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Well, yeah. So do you think he hangs with
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them? I think he's there.
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He's there thereabouts, no? I don't know.
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But he didn't know specific training for.
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If he's actually specifically training for 10K cross country,
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he's up there. I mean, we, but we can jump to
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the men's now, but like, did you, the guy that finished
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second in the NCAA men's took it to this field and absolutely
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sordid guys that were in the top five or six in the world champs
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3 months ago, like just ran them off his like just ran them off
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their legs. Like it was, I don't know.
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I just yeah. And, and had Tom's, I think had
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Tom, we're at Bathurst, competed for El Eritrea and I think he
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was maybe 17th and he's come on a lot since then, like 17th at
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world crosses. Legit like I think Kyle was the
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first Aussie maybe he's like low 20s.
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So like, I don't know, I'm just all about the NCAA system, but
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yeah, I mean, Cam, Cam's legit in the right race, but I don't
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know, these guys are so aerobically fit and little I
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don't know. Mothers.
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Mothers indeed, But yeah, in the women's getting back to the
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women's race, I think the top two were pretty dominant.
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Hey, like they Wayne Cloudy sort of said did made some moves, but
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she was she was pretty. She looked pretty comfy the
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whole way and then just broke away just when she got a bit of
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a gap just to to win it. But yeah, it was probably more
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for those four through 10 where there was a bit of excitement as
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to who was going to hold on. There was some criticism I think
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wasn't there over the selection of where the trials were held.
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Like it's good, it's a good spectacle for us to watch these
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like top athletes run round in the mud and like slug it out.
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But I think they're anticipating that the actual world cross
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country in Florida might be a bit more favourable conditions.
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So they're saying like, well, it's like comparing apples with
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oranges if you're looking at how people run in the mud versus how
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they run on flat. But it's more fun I think as
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well at the same time. That's sort of what they done in
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Ireland this year because the Europeans are going to be flat.
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They put the Irish national champs around football pitches
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but then a piss trained so it got really muddy.
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So if it wasn't raining it would have been a sort of a mirror
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image of what Portugal is going to be like.
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But like, if you're good in the mock, you're going to be half
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decent when it's like undulating.
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So yeah, I don't know. Shall I recap the men's race or
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the results quickly? And then we talk about it.
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So the winner was Parker Wolf. Second was Rocky Hansen, who was
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second at the NCAA cross two weeks ago.
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Wesley Kip 2 was third, Mohammed Mohammed was fourth, Nico Young
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5th and Grand Blanc's 6th. Yeah, Liam Murphy and Paul
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Chulimo weren't too far behind the 7th and 8th, and there are a
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few other like Sean Mcgaudy, Drew Hunter, Cooper Tier who
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were also not too far off in pretty stacked field.
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So how did how did that one play out then because I think the bit
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of an upset there maybe from the winner.
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So yeah, you, I. I didn't see him.
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I only seen the bit where it was like, umm, rock.
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There was three of them pulling away.
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Rocky Hansen was like try pushing the pace and it was my
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keep to and and Parker Wolf or just sitting behind and keep to
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I think slipped and sort of lost ground.
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And then Parker Wolf just looked so good the whole way around and
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you just knew who's gonna OK Rocky hands and Blake for Rocky
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Hands. And like, what age did I get?
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Is he even 20 yet? Yeah, and I think didn't they
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mention, I swear I need to check this.
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So he was like 100th. He was like injured or something
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going into NCAA last year and then it's gone from that to 2nd.
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Like he was undefeated other than when had Tom got in two
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weeks ago Like. What would you rather?
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Would you rather run like no Rocky Hansen gets to represent
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his country in cross country, or would you have rather run that
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Boston Indoor 5K and maybe run like 1315 like I'd represent the
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country every day, all day long, 100%.
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Yeah, I think they ran. What did they run, 13?
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Was it 1315 or 1305? I think they ran.
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Oh, that's a good question. Let me check.
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You're talking about the in there.
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Where have Tom won in there? Was like a dive.
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To the line. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And you say, have Tom got him? Yeah.
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But I point something of a second, yeah.
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I think they might have said the commentators at like Hanson's 21
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and Wolf's 22 something, something like that.
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Yeah. But yeah, it was that Rocky
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Hanson, who I think was just. Did you hear his interview after
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NCAA where the Let's Run guys asked him what if he'll run this
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race? And he said because he was the
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first American in the NCAA cross, there was a lot of talk
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about non-us athletes in the NCAA's.
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And yeah, they basically said that he will.
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He said, yes, I'm thinking I will.
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He's like, I'll chat to my coach obviously, but I think I'll race
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it, which he must be very glad he did.
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He went, he led them through the 1st Ki think the first K was 245
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and he was already in front and he just kept the hammer hammer
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down and within 4 or 5K there was the top 6.
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So those that finished in the top six stayed in the top six.
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Liam Murphy I think closed on Grand Blancs a bit, but he just
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had too much ground to make up in the last few KS.
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But like the likes of when you assume like Nico Young and Grand
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Blancs are in there, you're like they're just gonna hang with.
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But it was really good. They had the usual 2
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commentators but then they had Galen Brough with special
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comments and he mentioned because Parker Wolf is training
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with Do you know what the training group is Swish Swish TC
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Is that just a rebrand of the Oregon project or what?
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I think all the. All them boys are training with
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Mike Smith, yeah. That's it.
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And so is that who? So who's Nico Young training
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with? Mike Smith, Yeah.
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She's not under the Nike badge, no.
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That's right. So I think they were saying that
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Parker Wolf's been keeping up with Niko Young in all of his
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workout. So basically like he's super
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fit. And then, you know, Parker
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Wolf's got wheels. And so it's sort of.
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They were. Hinting that he's one to watch,
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even though I think Ryan, you were saying some of the
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commentary ahead of the race was that like other commentators
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didn't think that he would be able to hang with the likes of
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the more credentialed athletes like Niko Young and Grand Blanks
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didn't. I'm sure Parker Wolf won that
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5th Ave. mile, you know, a few weeks back, like just after the
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the end after World championships, there was that
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road mile in New York. I'm sure he won that as well.
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And. That was him, not Ethan Strand.
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I always get them too. Yeah, I think.
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So, but yeah, that was. Saying he was one to watch.
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And yeah, like you said on he was just looking so good.
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But yeah, Rocky Hanson basically just continued to apply
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pressure. And then you knew it was taking
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having an impact because they're all strung out six in a row.
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And then, yeah, they're in the order that it finished was who
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he dropped. Basically.
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He just continued to drop guys, run them off his wheel, just
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running. And like, who has the confidence
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to do that? It's one thing to be competitive
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in the NCAA system, but like you weren't that good at NCAA two
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years ago and now you're running the guys that are some of the
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best in the world. You know, you're just taking it
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to them because and it's hard to gauge your effort over cross
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country. Like you would have noticed
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this, right? Oh, and like, at what point do
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you think your legs are going to give out from underneath you and
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this guy's just running them all off his off their feet?
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It's phenomenal. I was.
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Thinking his legs were going to give out after AK after his pre
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race ritual that is so. Annoying as Aldo, but I don't
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think I could have done any. I think I still would have
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finished or I finished I saw. Something on my on my Instagram
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or something like that where someone posted 2 Gnomeo shots as
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a like as a like, I'm going to like send it.
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Yeah. And I thought of you but for
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contact. Was for context, I took two
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Namio shots before the national cross country and then we were
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having a chat with Namio and I told him and he was like no, you
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shouldn't do that. Basically.
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So for everyone taking on me out, well, it's one shot before
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the race well. So they do say on their website
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it was the fine print because I think you can take 2, but you
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take one the night before and then one three hours before and
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it just got lost in translation, perhaps one.
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For clarity, 1/3 hours before but one afterwards before you go
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to bed as like a recovery thing. Sorry, good job this isn't paid
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promo. I was.
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I was asking like ChatGPT what would happen what's like the
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residual effects if you take two shots pre intense exercise and
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stuff and it was basically same for like moderate to high
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intensity efforts as in like a session or a race.
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Then it's going to flood your system with lactate that you
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won't be able to clear. Like it's basically just going
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to bring on that lactate buffer a lot earlier.
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But it said it would have a place.
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So it potentially has a place for like sprinters who are doing
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like 60 meter reps and stuff. That's so good, a guy I.
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Did feel so shit straight from the off as well.
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You said that in your recap. You said yeah.
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I was like what the hell? But look, you live in your
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learn. I'll know for next time.
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I was going to say, oh, you know about the, you're talking about
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the end quality of the NCAA field and stuff with this Rocky
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Hanson. Did you hear that?
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Jonathan Gaul had a look at like all the fields and because we
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were talking about the getting overseas athletes into the NCAA
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system and the controversy around it and stuff, he looked
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at like an All Star American team.
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So like the best American born people across the whole of the
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results and put them in their own team, how they would fare
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against the top colleges who've got like all the African
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athletes in there. And they still wouldn't have won
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if you just take the best Americans from all over the
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division, which is, like, kind of crazy, Yeah.
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Yeah, it's a pretty high level, but then is it helping to breed
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guys like Rocky Hanson to and the likes of Nico Young and
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Graham Blanks who can then take on the world?
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It's not. They're the they're the good
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guys. It's the guy that's not getting
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the chance that would improve if he got into the system that's
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fallen and like them guys are good.
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They have to hold their own. It's the other ones, Yeah,
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exactly. Yeah, that's, and that's, I
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think that was the flag they're flying is all the people that
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don't get the assistance that maybe could deserve it.
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But you hope maybe there's a middle ground where it keeps the
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competition really good. But there's a pathway and that's
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what you see like in the AFL system and these other ones, you
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know, where they have the the feeder clubs and you get the
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academies, like your connected academies for local players,
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something like that anyway. Do we do the suitcase?
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Yeah, I didn't say. I didn't say these, other than
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the sprints, the finishes, I just sort of reels on those.
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Did you watch those on? No, I didn't.
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But, well, just the women's top. I think the.
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Two qualify. The top 2 is Gracie Morris, who
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ran 619 and then Sage her to Clacker ran 622.
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Sage is a part of ON, and she is Her partner is Joe Clacker,
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who's the marathoner. Yeah, I'm not sure how this race
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played out, but yeah, that's one or two.
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And then the men's top 2 or Eaton Strand to run 525 and then
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Wes Porter, who ran 526. So a pretty close finish there.
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It. Will be because this will set up
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the mixed relay team which I feel like starting to gain a bit
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of momentum now. Right?
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So America will seemingly be sending a strong team.
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Sounds like Australia is based on the fact that Cam's
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preference to do that rather than that he won out cross
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country. But it's still in the 2K.
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And then I think the UK field was very strong, wasn't it?
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It was like a dive to the line. But that's only.
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EUR So they might pick a different one.
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Oh, so that didn't result. Is it all discretionary?
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Is it? Yeah, so there's an interview
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coming out next week and that person has put their hand up for
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Worlds. Yeah.
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So he's put his hand up. But yeah, it's just up to them
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to pick then. An interview with us.
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Yes. Oh yeah, you were.
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You were hard on the tools on Friday evening, grinding out a
24:11
second interview for us. Yeah, Overtime.
24:15
So you were going to put that out?
24:17
When? In the week?
24:18
We'll put it out, yeah. During the week for the for the
24:20
people, we say who it is or leave them guessing.
24:25
Up to you. You were the host.
24:28
I will leave them guessing OK. I'm excited, yeah, that it's
24:37
hard to comment on body composition, particularly women,
24:40
without sounding like a Dick. But my observation, because I've
24:44
seen a clip of the finish of that women's one and this Gracie
24:48
Morris, who won it, she's built. She looks a bit stronger than
24:55
perhaps a typical like track athlete would.
24:58
And like, I was just amazed to see that she's running away from
25:01
Sage Hair Clacker, who's like one of the best 800 meter
25:04
runners in the world at the minute.
25:07
I don't know who this Gracie Morris was prior to this.
25:10
But I think it just got like when you're in cross country,
25:12
you can actually carry a bit more weight because it makes you
25:15
stronger in the muck, whereas on the track you're sort of caught
25:19
out because you don't really need that leg strength to get
25:22
you out of the muck. So the Let's Run boys, how to
25:27
go, how to go with some of the female marathoners there last
25:31
time and they got in trouble and then they started calling like
25:33
eating strands small or something like that.
25:37
But yeah, well, you. See, with like Jake Smith, he
25:41
obviously looks a lot stronger than what he was and he's still
25:45
clearly got like the same aerobic capacity and everything,
25:48
so. Have you ever seen the it's like
25:53
a original flow track video of the the first the American to go
26:00
under 27 minutes for 10K and he was quite AI think it was named
26:05
Chris Solinsky. And he was like a pretty like
26:08
muscular dude. And you would think as you're
26:10
getting towards the 10K, it would be the lighter, more
26:14
efficient looking guys, you know, like like light frame,
26:17
like Hab Tom or someone. And this guy was pretty powerful
26:20
built, but as you would think more like an 800 meter guy.
26:24
And yeah, he, he closed in like 2 minutes for the last 800.
26:28
The race was set up for Galen Rut and he, yeah, he beats him.
26:32
And yeah, just absolute monster. So then there's all different,
26:36
different chassis that that can get the job done.
26:40
Yeah, clearly with everything there's like best practices and
26:44
common like theories, but then there's always outliers here and
26:47
there who will just defy the rules, isn't it?
26:51
Right then let's get to Valencia because I reckon people might
26:54
have pressed play on this scene that we weren't speaking about
26:57
and just went straight to this point.
26:59
So welcome to the show. Those who cared less about the
27:03
US stuff. I guess the only place to start
27:07
is with the women given what happened.
27:09
So the race results. It was won by Jocelyn Jackos,
27:14
guy in 214 flat, followed by Perez.
27:17
Cheer Cheer, who's the reigning world champion in two 1443 and
27:22
actually a Belgian lady also made it on onto the podium with
27:26
the 22038. Then further down the field just
27:31
Stenson is the new Australian marathon record holder.
27:36
She finished in fifth place overall and ran 2/21/25 to take
27:40
9 seconds off Sinead Divers previous national record.
27:45
I guess no, I'll go through them further and then we can unpack
27:49
this. So Isabel Back Doyle finished
27:52
7th in two 2335. Natasha Wilson.
27:56
This is a name I've never heard of until this weekend of Great
27:59
Britain finished 10th in 2/24/22.
28:03
And then further down the list there was a couple of American
28:05
ladies and a few more Brits. Jen Gregson was in 22nd and 2:28
28:10
on her return. So as we spoke about in the chat
28:16
earlier, there was a bit of chaos going on whilst I was
28:19
trying to watch this, but did you see much of like kind of how
28:24
did Jocelyn Jeff Koskai come to run away from Jeff Church here
28:28
and win by 43 seconds? There it was.
28:31
Actually very good. The which one is the Adidas Ali?
28:35
Adidas Ali came second. Which one is she?
28:39
So she was actually like pushing the pace.
28:42
And the other one was was a cause guy.
28:46
She was, she was actually sort of falling back.
28:49
And I need to know the names of these people because I'm going
28:53
to get them mixed up. Basically, both of them had
28:57
pacemakers, and the one who ended up finished second, her
29:01
pacemaker dropped out and she was pushing the pace.
29:05
She actually took the lead. So then the one who ended up
29:08
winning her pacemaker dropped back a little bit.
29:11
Before that, she missed a bottle and they said they shared
29:14
bottles. Like it actually was really,
29:16
really good to see. And then, yeah, you're just
29:19
finished strong. Who ended up when the Jeff?
29:24
Because guy who had the pacemaker, he was, he was trying
29:28
to wave Jeff Churchill through, wasn't he?
29:31
Because he was like basically saying I'm I'm waiting for her
29:33
because he's like a training partner or something of us.
29:36
So he was kind of when it got down to the race, it was like,
29:40
no, I'm not willing to help you and continue pushing from the
29:43
front if you're going to like drop my teammate.
29:45
Basically, I'm hanging around from a teammate, but you want
29:49
Jeff. Church, It was really weird,
29:50
like she made a big surge and she opened up a little bit of a
29:52
gap which lasted like 5 seconds and then she just like dropped
29:55
back again. But yeah, like what's 214?
30:00
Cause the guy around which is like phenomenal. 214 dead.
30:07
Yeah, I think it was a world lead, wasn't it?
30:09
For, I'm pretty sure female world lead fastest time this
30:12
year. Yeah, pretty outrageous given
30:17
we're in December as well. It's going to end up being the
30:20
fastest time of 2025, isn't it? Yeah, Yeah, there's not many.
30:25
Marathons left in the year. All right, well let's get to it
30:30
then. Jess Stenson, new Australian
30:32
record. Like what the hell?
30:34
I will eat my words and probably my heart because like in with
30:40
all due respect to Jess, I just didn't see this coming.
30:42
I knew she was going to have a stab at it.
30:44
I knew Izzy was going to have a stab at it.
30:46
I thought Izzy, if she didn't do it, would certainly finish ahead
30:50
of Jess. I thought when I see in like the
30:53
splits early on that they were kind of like both on pace and
30:55
stuff. Yeah.
30:57
I was just amazed to see Jess like hold on to it, she is the
31:02
the queen of Australian distance runner of Australian marathoner
31:07
isn't it? Crazy how like.
31:09
Two years ago. She was just about on the parrot
31:12
or a year ago she was just about on that Paris Olympic team and
31:15
now she has the Aussie record. Like she's ranked number one
31:20
now. So not fair play to her.
31:21
Again, phenomenal run. I just the course looks amazing,
31:24
like the weather was decent and she had a big group with her the
31:29
whole time. I felt sorry for your one who
31:31
was in 3rd. She was like running solo for
31:34
most of it. Most of the race.
31:37
I don't know how but yeah, but. Yeah.
31:41
Fast, just Aussie all time and she's actually Aussie.
31:46
I was, yeah. What I mean, not to say that
31:50
she's going to retire next week, but she is 38.
31:53
So like, what a way to kind of do, do something outrageous at
31:58
the end of your career that like, she probably will be happy
32:00
to retire now tomorrow. And she went over solo, didn't
32:06
she? She left her kids in Australia.
32:09
I'm pretty sure I heard that. Yeah, I was.
32:11
Listening to Yeah podcast and she didn't know someone
32:14
mentioned that she's going to party tonight, hopefully before
32:18
she heads back home to continue being a mum.
32:23
I was looking at her splits and her timings and stuff, she's
32:26
pretty like dead on the whole way.
32:29
And but then when she had 40K split, because the the app gives
32:35
like a bit of a predicted finish time at each time in math.
32:39
And at 40K it said her predicted time was 22140, which would have
32:44
seen him miss the record by 6 seconds.
32:48
And then if you do the math like backwards from that.
32:51
So that was on 3/21 pace to get to that point.
32:55
And then she's that means she's closed the last two point 2K and
32:58
314 pace. So she's absolutely hammered at
33:01
home. Yeah, because I kept watching.
33:05
Every time you would follow anyone on the track, it would
33:07
give them predicted finish time. And every time you would toggle
33:10
over Jess's icon, you would see the same 221, you know, mid to
33:17
high. It was normally like high and so
33:20
you knew it was in the ballpark. But.
33:23
Normally the MA normally like how many times have you tracked
33:27
someone in the marathon and at some point it starts to go the,
33:30
the, the, the average time on the splits start to go out and
33:34
it, it only seems to get harder. It's not often that you see it
33:37
all come down. So you, you know, you half, you
33:40
know, you're normally expecting it not to go well.
33:43
So when it's getting, but then when it's getting closer and
33:45
closer, you start to think, could it be?
33:46
Could it be? So yeah.
33:48
What a sweat like I. Think up to 30 K like it's sort
33:52
of irrelevant because like I think that 30 to 35 teams can
33:56
change like so much you can just pop and then it's a long way
33:59
home. So like until 30K you can't
34:01
really say. No, yeah, that was very, very
34:06
cool. And she did.
34:07
Did you hear her chatting on the Inside Running podcast?
34:10
I think she she mentioned like, I haven't got a huge ceiling,
34:14
like I don't, I can't run a a particularly fast half marathon
34:18
or haven't necessarily posted a half past half fast half
34:24
marathon. But that 321 pace at Australian
34:26
record pace did feel comfortable enough, or at least she hoped it
34:30
did. And so and then you could see in
34:33
those splits couldn't knew how even it was just sitting like
34:37
just that perfect sit in that nice like you say in a nice
34:40
course on a nice day, like how how careful you need to be to
34:45
literally run on that limit for, you know, 2 hours and 20
34:49
minutes. She.
34:51
Went through halfway in 7039. Like what's her?
34:56
PB. Half marathon PB Yeah, I think
35:01
it's like about 69 flat, I would have thought.
35:04
Yeah. So she's.
35:05
Like, there's not much difference there coming through
35:06
halfway in the marathon. Yeah, it must because her and
35:11
Izzy ran about halfway together or something and I at 10K the
35:16
commentator picked up, he was like, oh, the Australian girls
35:19
are split 10K and 3333, which is dead on the Aussie record pace.
35:25
So it must have been because I think initially maybe the app is
35:29
just like kind of slow to update and reflect kind of what's going
35:32
on truly. But it looked as though Jess had
35:34
like ran off on Izzy rather than Izzy had fallen back.
35:37
But the reality of it probably is like Jess just stayed on pace
35:42
and Izzy probably started to drift a little.
35:45
And that must have been like kind of so hard for Izzy to know
35:49
that she was starting to hurt. And seeing Jess stay strong, I
35:53
mean, obviously I'm the very good friends and she would be
35:56
made-up for her, but she obviously wanted that for
35:58
herself as well. Where did Jess?
36:02
Finish overall. 5th What? Wow, that's yeah.
36:08
Is that a nice payday for her? Actually, isn't it?
36:12
Yeah, I don't know if it. Pays like some of the majors do,
36:15
but I think it still be pretty solid.
36:18
She's is that she's in a six girl.
36:21
Yeah, she probably got looked after nicely for a new
36:27
Australian record there. It's weird.
36:29
Because she wears Lululemon but she wears ASIC runners.
36:32
Isn't it something like that? She might get 2 bucks to.
36:37
Pay days. Easy double payday.
36:44
I seen is he done a post something along the lines of
36:46
like fourth time in 223? Kind of like not really what I
36:50
wanted, but I'm going to take a break and stuff.
36:52
So it won't be as he's last attempt at it, will it?
36:57
Yeah, I was thinking like it does it set up for a nice light
37:00
trilogy. This is made perhaps Part 2 to
37:03
not to, you know, look beyond the current Australian record,
37:07
but there's an opportunity there.
37:09
I think surely you, you, you. You might think that there that
37:14
you'd have a crack again. Surely.
37:17
So I. I found the prize money.
37:19
So there's like 3 different tiers of first, second, third,
37:22
fourth. They pay right down to 12th.
37:25
So if you come first and you're a man and you run under 204, you
37:30
get €75,000. If you're if you run umm between
37:35
2:04 and 2:06 you get 50,000 and if you run over two O 6 you get
37:39
35 with the women. If you run 2 hours 19 under you
37:44
get 75 between two hours 19, two hours 22 you get 50, and if you
37:48
run over 222 you get 35 S. What's 5th and 221 by the
37:56
matrix? 5th and 2:21 should at €7000.
38:02
There you go. Which you take that.
38:06
That's a nice little lousy conversion.
38:10
Yeah, You know when you know that feeling like when you go to
38:14
bed after a race that you're very happy with, and then you
38:17
wake up in the morning, it's just like almost like you're
38:20
floating in the bed and you say, yeah, I actually done that.
38:22
Like this is life's, life's pretty good for a little while
38:25
here. Imagine how good it would feel
38:27
waking up tomorrow knowing that you're literally the fastest
38:31
person ever born in Australia. Fastest woman to run a marathon.
38:35
Like can't comprehend it. Yeah.
38:39
Not yet, Ryan. Soon.
38:42
Never. Say never.
38:46
Never know, go through the go through the process and you
38:49
could literally be thinking you're the fastest woman.
38:53
I thought that. Was what I'm saying, Yeah.
38:58
I imagine Andy Buchanan might be feeling something similar waking
39:01
up tomorrow as well, given that his record was kind of on the
39:04
line and didn't get taken down. It was.
39:09
They gave it a shout though, didn't they?
39:11
They went for it, yeah. Is there any anyone else in the
39:15
women we want to talk about before we go to the men?
39:17
I guess that the British girl, I don't know why I'm not aware of
39:21
her. Natasha Wilson, she's run 224.
39:23
It puts her in there, I think the eighth fastest, 8th, 7th
39:29
fastest breath of all time, which is pretty outrageous that
39:34
I don't know who she is. The previous PB was 226.
39:38
A half marathon PB is only 70 minutes from last year.
39:43
I. Thought Did you follow Jen
39:45
Gregson? I thought she ran a like very
39:48
light, solid race, like, you know, very soon after giving
39:51
birth and was it 228? She ran and seemed to go out at
39:56
a pretty at a pace that she thought was like she didn't go
40:01
out for anything. Like she wasn't overreaching.
40:05
I don't think faded a little bit towards the end, but otherwise
40:07
it was like. Pretty impressive, but not that
40:10
long ago was not able to run that pace for 10 KS and has now
40:14
turned that into marathon pace within like 2 months.
40:17
It's pretty phenomenal. Yeah, I think at one point I
40:21
clicked into her and it was like 226 and I was like, shit, Jen's
40:25
having a real good go. And that to end up with 228 is
40:29
still a fantastic result given where she's coming from.
40:34
I guess we could probably tie YouTube Diaries into these
40:36
women's results because I know I think maybe on like the first
40:40
ever episode or what? The first ever YouTube Diaries
40:42
we don't do we do Izzy's channel.
40:46
Yeah. I don't know.
40:47
Have you watched her most recent, like pre Valencia video?
40:50
I think it only came out a couple of days ago, but I was
40:53
watching it earlier and thought the like, I know she's got
40:57
someone else to do, like all the filming and Edison and stuff,
41:00
but the whoever that is, like kudos to them.
41:03
It's produced like really, really well, isn't it?
41:06
Yeah. And.
41:08
Slightly, slightly different angle, the way she kind of like
41:10
sits down and answers a couple of questions, like literally
41:14
questions that will be banned and on your mind, like wanting
41:17
to know from an Elise as they're heading into the race.
41:21
And she almost entered like a bit of a reflective state ahead
41:24
of time. And she always speaks so well,
41:26
doesn't she? So there's a combination of like
41:29
sit down interview versus some training snippets and the
41:33
realities of like travelling overseas to a race with all
41:38
hopes and expectations on yourself.
41:40
So now with the benefit of hindsight, you may want to go
41:45
back and watch that. It's good watch.
41:49
I do wonder how they how everyone felt given that the
41:53
weather forecast, I know it wasn't bad weather, but it was
41:58
not great weather like it's the last couple of years has been
42:02
exceptional. And so when it was just that
42:06
little bit warm, whether or not people were adjusting for that
42:10
or just, and it's so hard, particularly Aussies in
42:13
particular, you've travelled halfway around the world.
42:16
Be hard not to. It's Austria.
42:18
It's warmer in Australia, that is cooler in Valencia than
42:21
Australia. Like you're saying the weather's
42:24
not bad, right? This is what you're like.
42:26
This is your comment, right? Don't create.
42:28
Around 2:02 as a tree 202 thereabouts like you had a bad
42:34
day. Like Alex E run 206 the Aussies
42:37
run stupid like they're out so fast it was wrong fault they
42:41
popped. Like Justin run Australian
42:44
record. Yeah.
42:46
I, I think that the, the weather, I think there might be
42:51
some, I think there might be some sports science out there
42:56
that would support and the, the notion that it was maybe a
43:00
percent out, 1 to 2% out. And if you take 1% for someone
43:06
running 320 per K, that's 200 seconds per kilometre. 1% of 200
43:13
is 2 seconds, so you're only talking 2 seconds, which over
43:17
the marathon is a minute but a minute, or a minute and 20
43:21
seconds. But a minute and 20 seconds
43:24
could compound to be quite a bit if you if you don't get it quite
43:28
right or if you're targeting something super fine, so but
43:32
surely. Which some of them.
43:33
Are this is their? Job like they say it's a little
43:36
bit warm all right, pull it back a little bit like they're not
43:40
oh. I'm.
43:41
Not saying that you necessarily get it wrong, but when you're
43:44
when you're, but when you're getting to the point where
43:46
you're scrapping and scraping for every second per kilometer
43:51
and you have to adjust by two or three seconds because of the
43:54
weather, but you've travelled halfway around the world.
43:57
Do you want to do that? I doubt it.
43:59
And so then you're just hoping that the Physiology is improved
44:02
enough and maybe you've done some extra heat training or you
44:06
just hope you have one of those days where you're fit enough to
44:09
withstand what otherwise might have been a slightly more
44:11
conservative pace goal. But it's that it's those sorts
44:16
of thoughts that you have to contend with when you know the
44:19
weather's not perfect. And so it's trying to navigate
44:22
those ahead of the race and judge.
44:25
Do I react to this weather? Is it a thing?
44:27
Is it, you know, full Irish heat wave?
44:29
Or is it just some mild, something mild that we don't
44:32
need to? You asked, you asked who had the
44:35
bad day. I'll tell you who had the bad
44:37
day because I've got a few of them in the tracker.
44:39
Actually, let's go and we'll we'll speak about the good ones
44:43
in depth. But here's because I was like,
44:45
shit, quite a few people have haven't really done what either
44:48
they said they would or what I thought they might.
44:51
So in a particular or the top of the tracker for some reason is
44:55
Dan Nash. She ran 214.
44:56
I think he was looking around 210.
45:00
Jake Barraclough The results haven't been confirmed yet, but
45:04
our theories are Oh no, that has he, he posted.
45:08
He posted on EMS driver. I'll.
45:11
Get it? Here it.
45:13
DNF after then I don't really want to speak on it because it
45:18
looks like he he might have come into some medical trouble given
45:22
that is like last kilometer was at 3030 minute pace.
45:28
All right. Well, I think.
45:29
He says he was medical tent fell victim.
45:31
To the medical tent once again, things weren't right from the
45:34
start. Was basically redlining just hit
45:36
just to hit 5K pace straight to battle.
45:38
True. Pretty much lost consciousness
45:40
after halfway. Tinker got pulled off the course
45:42
eventually after stumbling for a while.
45:45
Yeah, he says. No idea what happened, how it
45:47
was normal, a bit low for my marathons.
45:49
He just felt shit basically. OK, so bad day for Jake.
45:54
Unfortunately Nick Basta, I don't know what he was hoping to
45:58
run, but he's ran to sub 220. I don't know why he's in the
46:00
tracker either. Jesus. 2/27 he ran your man
46:07
Crippa. He's ran like 204 or something
46:10
before. I think 211 did.
46:12
You say your man your man. Been listening to our Genie Mac
46:21
Brett Robinson at the check. Has he posted on Strava yet?
46:25
Because the theories are that he he might have DNF D as well.
46:28
Let's see. Same with Callum Hawkins, still
46:32
says he's running and he was on like 209 at one point.
46:35
Bastards. In the gutter again.
46:38
Ryan Gregson, 217 Like we said last week, he would have been
46:41
hoping for a lot better than that.
46:45
Charlotte Perdu potentially a DNF also.
46:50
And that's when I track a list of bad days ends.
46:53
No Brett Robinson. Result on Strava.
46:56
No. And the.
46:57
First Irish at home was 2/15/26. His previous PB was set in
47:04
Dublin and he ran 217 in Dublin in October.
47:07
So end of October to decide. December he's jumped 2 minutes,
47:14
so our sheet wave is real. It was.
47:18
It was hate adapted. Yeah, speaking.
47:20
Of Irish marathoners and DNFS, did you see Fergal Care and fell
47:25
victim to the Singapore humidity?
47:27
No, I was just. Looking at the results while you
47:30
were talking there where he didn't finish.
47:33
I think about 30 K or something he stepped off and was.
47:36
He up leading. I don't know he's done like a
47:40
detailed straw of a post on it. Re read that.
47:44
Do what we say you the results from that.
47:47
Yeah, Let me read the men's results out of here.
47:50
So John Korea won an outrageous race.
47:53
He ran 2 hours 2 minutes and 25 seconds to beat Amal Petros, the
47:59
2nd place finisher from the World champs.
48:02
German representative in 2O four O 3 and 3rd place was a wet
48:06
kebab. Norwegian representative in two
48:09
O 425. Did you hear the commentator
48:12
saying that those two both originally are Eritrean and then
48:16
they obviously since re nationality or however you would
48:21
formally say it. We don't changed allegiance.
48:25
Did you see them like shake hands like 35 K?
48:29
So a little fist pump. On the way through, like let's
48:31
go, I think probably initiated it because he was bloody doing
48:35
the overtaking. Yeah, he's just shaking.
48:37
His hands see you later. It's just.
48:40
Tasted a couple, yeah. Yeah, by the way, like when he
48:45
when he made his move, he just looks, looks like he just starts
48:49
to Sprint. It's like outrageous, but it's
48:52
obviously like he's not actually sprinting, but the speed that
48:56
he's moving when he drops them is.
48:58
I can't get my head around it. Well, I think he.
49:00
Closed and so because the first half they went through and 62 I
49:06
don't know, 15 or something and then he ran 62, a 60 low like
49:11
almost 60 minutes flat for the second-half solo sound like
49:16
pretty outrageous which. Is kind of opposite to was it
49:19
Chicago he won earlier in the air where he he went through
49:22
halfway like on world record pace and then faded a little.
49:26
Yeah, he went through. And like didn't go through and
49:27
like 6016. Oh, maybe that was no, I think.
49:30
You're right, yeah. So yeah, did the inverse.
49:35
And the late, late addition clearly paid dividends because
49:38
he knew what he was about to do and he got announced in the week
49:42
leading up to it. A little bit naughty.
49:46
They're not done about naughty. But like, when people select the
49:51
races, yeah, months in advance and the lineups are released,
49:56
and then all of a sudden this guy finds himself in shape he
50:00
didn't expect to be. And he's like, I fancy, fancy a
50:03
look at that Valencia marathon. You saw the.
50:05
Field was soft. I'd be able to just, you know,
50:09
look at a world class field and just go, yeah, I might roll all
50:13
the legs over when it was it. Was a bit soft down the point,
50:16
wasn't it? Yeah, yeah.
50:18
Yeah, it was. Yeah.
50:20
Because then. OK, I'll keep going through Alex
50:22
Yee, probably the next notable name.
50:24
He finished seventh in 206. Thirty eighth and isn't he's
50:28
just become the second fastest breath ever behind only Sermo.
50:32
So on the front of his group for a while was a male caress.
50:36
He was doing the pacemaking and in there was Phil Sussman
50:41
breaths have to there's all sorts of them in there.
50:44
And then Phil, I mean Emile as he steps off probably isn't
50:49
thinking that Alex he's going to go and blitz his own marathon
50:54
PB. And because like it's pretty
50:56
widely accepted that a meal status is like the best British
51:00
marathoner right now and almost like the next best thing to Mo
51:03
Farah. And obviously Alex's switched
51:07
from the triathlon had. An.
51:11
OK, debut at London, he was probably disappointed he ran 211
51:15
or something. So to then come in here and Phil
51:19
Sussman just ran 2 O 7-8 weeks ago in Amsterdam and just
51:24
completely like dominates almost and become the second fastest
51:28
ever run like almost a 5 minute PB.
51:31
And it gives me hope, Dean, that the cycling there might be
51:35
something to it. But like, that's Alex G London
51:40
was really warm this year and that was his first, like, shot
51:43
in the marathon. So like, you have to take that
51:45
one with a pinch of salt. Like now he's like, like after
51:49
being fully invested now for the last while, what mileage running
51:53
wise was he doing? Don't know, I think if it it
51:59
focused on it a bit but he's still doing cross training
52:01
wasn't he? Based on the limited insights I
52:03
could see from YouTube bits and bobs, but it'd be it'd been very
52:08
specific hadn't at this year. Like he really had made a real
52:11
focused effort to transition from the triathlon to focus on
52:19
running and try and have a red hot crack.
52:20
But it's still I still find it pretty remarkable because it was
52:25
only what a month ago when he when he ran the Valencia half
52:29
and that was 61 1/2 minutes. And put that in perspective have
52:33
to who was at Maragami at the start of the year with us ran 60
52:39
1/2 minutes. So it was have to is a minute up
52:41
the road on him at like with that Maragami race and have to
52:46
by all reports is in the shape of his life and has had a really
52:49
good domestic season here. And yeah, Alex is just was too
52:54
strong. I don't know.
52:55
It's pretty exceptionally that 206 is is pretty pretty
53:00
phenomenally good. You just maybe as it gets longer
53:03
because of this aerobic condition that you have as a
53:06
triathlete it it pays dividends. Do you?
53:09
Know the only difference is there differences there Alex had
53:13
that UK and Irish heat wave at the end have to didn't we?
53:18
Had the that cool that that very cold Aussie Aussie Aussie
53:24
winter. I'd say some of Yi's fellow
53:29
triathletes are pretty pleased he's gone and done that because
53:32
it maybe gives triathletes in general a bit of a better name
53:35
or a bit more respect amongst the running only community that
53:40
a triathlete can just come in and have 12 months of
53:42
specificity and do something outrageous like that.
53:47
I hear exactly what you're saying, Ryan, and that's why
53:50
we'll go onto our training weeks.
53:55
That's why we've been on the bike for the last six weeks
53:58
trying to hold fitness. I do.
54:00
I do believe that though, like in like, I don't think that was
54:05
intentionally commenting on that, but it does put it does
54:08
put into perspective just how exceptionally impressive
54:11
triathletes are. But it also I think underscores,
54:14
and I think we've spoken about this, but say in Perth, a lot of
54:18
the top runners, particularly on the roads have over in recent
54:23
times have been people that are multi sport athletes that then
54:27
take to the roads and do very well because they're just
54:30
aerobically superior because they're because there's not that
54:34
many people that are able to run and hold mileage like Jake
54:37
Barraclough can. And there's.
54:39
And so the closest thing you can do is to supplement it with a
54:44
heap of cross training. And that's what, yeah,
54:47
triathletes and dual athletes are able to do and then run very
54:50
well off it. So given given his triathlon
54:55
background, the Olympic distance, he would run 10K isn't
55:00
it? So you would think of all the
55:03
kind of running distances, 10K would be like his strongest.
55:07
Given like most of his train and life career he would have spent
55:11
being specific towards 10K. So I've just looked there and
55:15
10K on the track he has the 35th fastest time of all British
55:25
athletes and 10K on the road he has the 12th fastest of all time
55:30
British athletes. And now his marathon time he's
55:33
second fastest ever. So just going to show.
55:37
But maybe. Maybe, though, yeah.
55:40
I again. We're straying into dangerous
55:42
areas here. But like, his race distance is
55:45
about an hour 40 something, I think, like an Olympic distance
55:49
trial. What do they go for?
55:51
You know, 30 odd minutes of a run leg.
55:53
And then what do they cycle? 40 KS?
55:55
They're less than an hour. And then the swim, 15 minutes
55:58
thereabouts. So yeah, about an hour 40, an
56:03
hour 30. So maybe that that's where the
56:05
marathon in totality, they're just that chassis they have to
56:08
develop because they're not running like a track runner,
56:11
They're running, they're running almost like 1/2 marathoner
56:15
effort, I suppose off the bike because absolutely mash in their
56:19
legs. So maybe that's why it's always
56:22
so good. Be interesting.
56:24
To get Kenji's thoughts on his performance, because I always
56:27
remember him saying like when the announced is coming over to
56:32
the running, like he was enlightening us around, like, Oh
56:36
yeah. But you have to think about how
56:37
much time Alex can spend at threshold during all of the
56:41
disciplines versus how much time when he's just running.
56:44
And he was kind of like suggesting it might not be that
56:48
smooth of a transition. Obviously it's gone incredibly
56:51
well so. I'll do a message him, message
56:55
him and we'll get him on and pick his brank as he's an
56:59
actuarial scientist and a Mad Dog of a trainer.
57:03
So it's a good combination. Yeah, sounds fun if you're.
57:07
Alex Yay do you? If you're Alex Yay, Do you just
57:13
suck off the running now and concentrate on triathlon or do
57:16
you try and become the fastest ever British runner over the
57:20
mountain? I reckon he's got an eye to the
57:23
Olympics and he's using this as a bit of a gap here so he
57:26
doesn't disconnect before the So I think he's got a bit of time.
57:30
So yeah, so he probably might be having those thoughts now it's
57:33
gone so well. But at some point he needs to
57:35
get back on the bike, otherwise he'll start to, I think like
57:41
lose touch with the the next wave of like that.
57:43
Matt Hauser and these young guys that are coming through are
57:46
going to. You might find it hard to close
57:48
the gap again on the specificity of the other legs.
57:52
I would have thought, hey, I really don't know.
57:54
Yeah, I. Think the general consensus what
57:56
he's let on from his YouTube stuff was that because like
57:59
there's such a big gap between Olympics now, he wanted to
58:02
really focus on running and kind of use the gains that he'll get
58:07
from doing that and take it back to triathlon for the next
58:10
Olympics. Whether a 206 now changes his
58:14
mind and he would run the Olympic marathon or something,
58:17
who knows? Because is it Mo Farah that's
58:20
run 205? No.
58:22
Is it? Yeah.
58:24
What's who? Who paced Emil Caress?
58:29
Yeah, What's Emil? Caress run so.
58:31
Alex's times like 8 seconds faster than a male's PB now.
58:35
But it's did Emil run that at the Olympics though?
58:40
What did he run at the Olympics? London last.
58:42
Year it looks like yeah, because when he was. 4th at the Olympics
58:45
in something pretty wild, wasn't he?
58:47
Yeah. So Emil's PB2O646 from London
58:50
last year and he ran two O 729 in Paris also last year.
58:59
And then I guess we should probably talk about Phil Sessman
59:02
as well. We spoke about enough in the
59:04
build up. He finished 13th round two O 711
59:09
which I think is a one second PB from Amsterdam earlier in the
59:16
year. You'd have to be having mixed
59:20
emotions when you're when you're throwing yourself at the line to
59:24
sneak under. I can.
59:27
Relate from Ballarat, if he's wired any similar to me he'd be
59:34
thinking oh fuck that PB give a shit about it.
59:42
But yeah, I mean, that was with hindsight, everything's so
59:48
clear, isn't it? But running that two O 7 in
59:51
Amsterdam, don't think it's done him any favours in the end.
59:55
Because you can say it's like as easy as you want it to be.
59:59
But clearly just like running a marathon run the PB 8 weeks out
1:00:02
from trying to run another PB in the marathon distance is a
1:00:06
really tough ask. And I mean, fair play, like he
1:00:10
has run a PB, he's gone quicker again, but.
1:00:14
On the back of his Amsterdam run he was real and his goals from
1:00:18
2O6 originally to maybe even sneaking into two O 5 S to then
1:00:23
look and he's still in the two O 7 range.
1:00:26
I would say he's sounds bizarre saying someone's run. 2O7
1:00:30
finished 7th in the race and slightly disappointed, but you
1:00:34
can see my angle somewhere. You just wonder what's going
1:00:38
through his head when Alex he is like kicking past them.
1:00:41
He's like that fucking prick. And then another guy I wanted to
1:00:47
mention, Johnny Mellor, he's stems from the mayor's side
1:00:52
region. Originally he's 39 years of age
1:00:56
or 3010 to 39 later this month. He's I think his existing PB was
1:01:01
209 from New York one year. Let me just check 2/09/09 out
1:01:07
from Seville last year. So he's even still running fast
1:01:11
last year, to be fair, he's then gone and ran two O 845.
1:01:16
I think it is today, which is pretty crazy in itself.
1:01:24
And then to be behind still three of the Britons or two of
1:01:28
the Britons running 2O8 Team GB have definitely won the the
1:01:33
battle versus Australia here, Battle of the Commonwealth.
1:01:37
How did? The Canto Tom Dicanto.
1:01:40
He was first Aussie home, wasn't he?
1:01:42
When he ran 211 something, yeah, he ran really well.
1:01:49
Yeah, I mean, he's paid me. Yeah, still in high, but he did
1:01:53
you. Were you guys following him on
1:01:56
the track? Yeah, Yeah.
1:01:58
He splits were very good, weren't they?
1:02:02
Like he judged it very well. I, I put a note in given like
1:02:08
the short turn around between the race and our recorder, put a
1:02:10
few notes into my notes on the old iPhone to remember to speak
1:02:15
about. And one of them says, because
1:02:19
last weekend talking about the world cross trial selection race
1:02:23
for Australia and I was kind of suggesting that Tom's place
1:02:27
could be up for debate. And my note says get TDC on the
1:02:31
plane. Exactly.
1:02:35
Exactly. Because like if that's not
1:02:38
enough after finishing in the top 6 and to then go, I know the
1:02:42
fact that Bretton have to have had shit days, but to do that
1:02:46
like 211. As well.
1:02:51
Did he? I saw, I saw on the track of him
1:02:52
overtake Brett, but yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, surely that
1:02:58
hopefully that's enough, right consistency.
1:03:00
Has to count for something like you're way more likely for Tom
1:03:03
Dicanto to run well in worlds then likes of half to our brat
1:03:08
or whatever. Like they might get a better
1:03:09
result but they also might have a bad day as well.
1:03:13
There was this other guy gone. Keep him on and you just feel.
1:03:17
Like he deserved it. He rocked up.
1:03:19
Not only did he beat them in the race, they chose to.
1:03:22
So they skipped trials to target this race.
1:03:26
He did this race and beat them and he did trials and qualified.
1:03:31
Like what more do you want? And then and then how he
1:03:34
executed this race? So he went halfway 10539, so you
1:03:40
double that and that's 21118 and he came in at 21114.
1:03:47
Yeah, like a four second negative split.
1:03:48
Like it's like like perfect, you know?
1:03:52
Maculous. Yeah.
1:03:54
Just a quick one. There's another guy that I sort
1:03:57
of came across, so there's a lad from Ireland called Connell
1:04:00
Whelan. He does.
1:04:00
He's like a videographer and he has this YouTube channel called
1:04:04
Chasing Pace and he released a few videos on this slide called
1:04:08
Max Malarvi. Have you ever heard of him,
1:04:11
Ryan? I don't think.
1:04:14
So he's a Scottish? Guy who trains at that Cambridge
1:04:18
in Coleridge M team and Grand Bush Park is it, you know, oh
1:04:23
cottage, that cottage team, you know, cottage in the bushy park.
1:04:28
Yeah. Anyway, he trains with them and
1:04:30
he had run his PB in the marathon was from last year's
1:04:36
Valencia and he ran 2:17 and then in Copenhagen this year in
1:04:41
September he ran 63 and then there this morning he's after
1:04:46
running 212 high. So.
1:04:51
On YouTube and there's a few videos now, they're only really
1:04:54
short form, like there's 1-6 minutes long, 11 minutes long, 8
1:04:58
minutes long. But it just talks a bit about
1:05:01
your own Max and like 212. Like that's getting up there.
1:05:05
I think he's Scottish, so that must be up there.
1:05:07
Nearly the fastest Scottish marathoner of all time.
1:05:12
And but yeah. Want to look over?
1:05:16
Yeah, that's class another YouTube Diaries double.
1:05:18
Yeah. And do we want?
1:05:22
To unpack any of the. Investor commas.
1:05:24
Bad results as in like potentially what's happened to
1:05:28
have to breast or Grego? Well, Grego's yet to hit run a
1:05:35
good marathon, let's be real. I think it was.
1:05:37
Around 2:12 to 13, well, for hit like like that's still so good
1:05:41
and I'll I'll never run that fast ever.
1:05:43
But like maybe that's just what he can do.
1:05:47
Like for a lot of so good on the track.
1:05:48
Sometimes you just don't convert like so Yeah 2.
1:05:53
What do you run 217? 217 yeah.
1:05:56
You know, side note on Gregor. Whenever I hear his name
1:05:59
mentioned on podcast or anything like that and the person says
1:06:03
Ryan Grip, I'm like, oh shit, it's my name.
1:06:07
Someone's about to say my name and then I realized I'm not a
1:06:14
3:30 one 1500m runner or whatever.
1:06:17
He ran 330 nor 2:30 in marathoner, which I'm trying to
1:06:21
critique here. So yeah, he's definitely
1:06:24
entitled to the number one Ryan Grip and Brett.
1:06:31
Such a shame because we'd like back him in every single time,
1:06:34
but that's safe. I don't know how many like poor
1:06:37
results in a row now is men mental strengths must be taking
1:06:41
a bit of a beating. Yeah, if you had your, you know,
1:06:45
your black. Book where you sort of back them
1:06:47
down. You might be scratching that one
1:06:48
out. Nah, his odds are drifting.
1:06:53
Yeah, he'd be getting. You'd be getting.
1:06:54
Good odds if you were. Looking at looking at it to a
1:06:58
bookmaker for a for a price, what's half to his excuse?
1:07:04
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't.
1:07:06
Look, I mean those guys are all so I followed Brett have to they
1:07:11
were they all went for the that same Alex year group, didn't
1:07:15
they? They were all three minute
1:07:17
kilometers, 3 minutes per kilometer.
1:07:19
Same same group Andy was in when?
1:07:21
Andy did it. So I think everyone took knows
1:07:23
the drill and that's what Brett was in when he ran his time in
1:07:27
Oka Oka. I thought, I'm pretty sure Jack
1:07:30
Rainer paced the group and it was 3 minute case, you know, 63
1:07:34
low through halfway and if you can hold on, you can hold on.
1:07:38
So I think everyone just went with that and yeah, they.
1:07:45
Their Physiology didn't. Quite stack up to could you use
1:07:49
like the flight as an excuse? Like, it can't be easy like
1:07:52
that. Well, then again, just Danson is
1:07:54
just thrown that away. But the flight like has to take
1:07:58
its toll. I think it yeah, it increases
1:08:01
the chances. Of something not.
1:08:03
Going right for sure, like you just seen it, you might be fine,
1:08:07
but it's certainly a added the added complication that might
1:08:10
play a role whether it does for everyone, you know, you know,
1:08:16
Yeah, no gun. Oh, now I was going to like, I
1:08:21
don't know, I've done. Some flights where you do a, you
1:08:23
know, take a red eye flight, I've slept the whole way and
1:08:26
raced fine. Other ones, you take all the
1:08:28
precautions and they're not had a good race.
1:08:30
Like, I don't know if it's there's so many variables, isn't
1:08:34
there? But ultimately, if you're really
1:08:36
fit and you judge the race well, you'll have a good day.
1:08:40
Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there'll be.
1:08:42
Some something to come from it, as in explanations and stuff.
1:08:45
So we'll have to just kind of hang in there for that.
1:08:49
But like Brett's been a part of MTC now for like, is it forever
1:08:53
or so? Is the the Nick Badeau train?
1:08:58
And is it just like he's kind of reached his limit with it and
1:09:02
could do with a bit of a change of stimulus or because it seems
1:09:06
like each build seems to be somewhat similar in terms of
1:09:10
like the sessions and the progression of them, doesn't it?
1:09:12
And now I guess for the past couple of years, it's starting
1:09:15
to yield similar sorts of results.
1:09:20
Bring him over the Perth, Let Ralph ever go to him.
1:09:27
I'm sure he'd love to. I reckon that might conclude
1:09:33
Valencia, unless you've got any other people that you wanted to
1:09:35
speak about. Nah looked unbelievable though.
1:09:39
Like just. That play I can't wait to go
1:09:42
over in January. And run. 1/4 of that race, yeah,
1:09:47
well, that's what they they said is.
1:09:49
Valencia is known as the city you're running because it's got
1:09:51
4 World Athletics label races, the only city in the world to
1:09:55
have such, and you'll be doing the 10K.
1:10:00
Well, mildly other. Just an observation, but like.
1:10:04
Were you watching the stream from say around 2 hours 10
1:10:08
minutes through to say 2 hours 20 minutes?
1:10:11
Did anyone? Did you?
1:10:12
I don't know if you saw, but just the the number of athletes
1:10:17
streaming through like with it crazy.
1:10:21
But yeah, just hard, hard to get your mind around just how many
1:10:25
people have have decided because when you don't see, when you
1:10:30
only see what was it? What was the there was the 1st
1:10:33
2:00 and then there was a bit of a gap right after that.
1:10:35
Like if you look at say Alexei in 7th in 206.
1:10:40
So and that's that three minute K pace.
1:10:42
If you go to one of those Japanese races, you'll have
1:10:44
quite a few in that sort of range, but it's the cluster from
1:10:48
around that 210 or around that 214, and it was just phenomenal.
1:10:54
220 flat would have left you. 115th.
1:10:58
Yeah, like that is, yeah. Stacked.
1:11:03
Yeah, and they all. Literally came.
1:11:05
In that. In that lighter latter part of
1:11:08
it really. Like it wasn't like it was super
1:11:10
pointy. Well, even like A21459 was 70.
1:11:13
4th So that between like that 2:14 and 2:10, there were so
1:11:18
many. Yeah, it's going to be bucket
1:11:22
list, doesn't it? Yeah.
1:11:24
It seems like it's a destination for anyone.
1:11:26
Trying to target. A PB in and around that, let's
1:11:30
say 3 hours down to 215, everyone's heading to the same
1:11:34
place. I think you would imagine
1:11:37
looking ahead to next year as well.
1:11:38
Not that this will affect like the groups that we'd be looking
1:11:42
at, but with it being an Olympics in 2028, people next to
1:11:47
some December 26 will certainly be targeting that to try and run
1:11:51
an Olympic qualifier, won't they?
1:11:54
I think it's changing their entry.
1:11:56
It's now. A ballot for next year's entry.
1:12:02
I heard that on the stream, yeah.
1:12:05
What was the sublet? This year was like 220.
1:12:08
For the man that will probably come down as well in IT 218 or
1:12:13
something. The.
1:12:16
Jake Smith on his. Strava posted like his normal
1:12:18
Sunday run. He's run 30K and it's captioned.
1:12:22
Ye Phil and Mella are so in my head.
1:12:30
And then he goes on in the like sub caption explaining that he's
1:12:35
watching that one. No, there are no spoilers.
1:12:38
We'll. Put it on when we get.
1:12:39
Off he's gone on. He's gone on to say London 26,
1:12:46
the European standards 2/09/29 is his aim.
1:12:50
Imagine pushing you very close in London this year to now being
1:12:53
5 minutes slower than him. Need to up my game massively.
1:12:57
That sort of transparency is amazing, isn't it?
1:13:00
Yeah. What was that?
1:13:02
There's a. Marathon on in America as well.
1:13:05
Is it CIA? Has that happened yet?
1:13:09
Is it? Is that one legal?
1:13:11
Is that the? 42 down.
1:13:16
Downhill case, isn't it? Is that, is that this one?
1:13:19
I think so, yeah. So it doesn't count.
1:13:22
Or do people actually? Use it.
1:13:24
As a result, I think people maybe can use it for like a.
1:13:30
USA Olympic trials qualifier or something like that.
1:13:33
Like there might be a an in but then in like it would never
1:13:36
count for a world record or you know.
1:13:40
It's it. Yeah, has an asterisk.
1:13:43
Like a point to point does because the regulation is.
1:13:48
A metre per kilometre I think, isn't it?
1:13:51
CIM is known for its significant net elevation drop, historically
1:13:55
around 111 metres. That's not bad, I'm sure.
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My fox was very. Fond of that course, I think.
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Last year wasn't he? He did run his 220 most sub 220
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multiple times like but I think 1 was there.
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He's gone missing again. Is he?
1:14:15
Well, I haven't seen him on travel.
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In here, not like he's got he's got some sort of back.
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Injury. Oh, fair come back.
1:14:25
Are we talking? Speaking of injuries, are we?
1:14:28
Talking about our weeks or we look, I've just done an average
1:14:33
week. Paper running 133.
1:14:35
Kilometers. I'm racing next week so I'll
1:14:37
have a down week this week. Yeah, couple of sessions done a
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park run the other day. Was fun.
1:14:45
Park Run. Did you did you send it?
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And all I was sort of it was yesterday.
1:14:52
I don't Hills Den sort of park run up well a little bit hard
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and thresholds that put it that way and.
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Then heels after. As well, I think around like
1:15:00
1524 or something for the background and then done some
1:15:06
hills after then long run there today.
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Yeah, Roger. Dean, you guys just.
1:15:14
Recycling. No.
1:15:17
Cycling for, well, not much. Cycling for me ended up.
1:15:19
Getting a bit sick during the middle of the week, but out of
1:15:23
yeah, sure, which as in thinks, but that's life.
1:15:27
But yeah, still a similar amount of running, just even with
1:15:30
missing a couple of days. So yeah, bodies hair is still
1:15:34
heading in the right direction. Will be a bit slow, but that's
1:15:38
how it needs to be I think. So 30 minute double s to the
1:15:41
recipe for now. Yeah.
1:15:44
And maybe you can do a little bit longer, so I might.
1:15:46
Be able to do a commute in the morning to work, so 45 minutes
1:15:50
but then not too much after that.
1:15:52
But I'll chat to Steve this week because this has been last two
1:15:56
weeks of the 30 minute double s and things are feeling pretty
1:15:58
good. Start ramping it slowly.
1:16:03
Yeah, yeah. But.
1:16:04
Yeah, chat to. Chat to Tim Chat to.
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Steve, make sure I'm allowed to before I get in trouble, so I
1:16:09
don't get in trouble. Good stuff.
1:16:13
Similar, yeah. I've ran an unbroken kilometers
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a day in a 5 minute Rep, so let's go.
1:16:20
Almost feel like a runner again. Reply no longer just.
1:16:25
A couch critic, but actually. Somewhat back in the game,
1:16:30
that's great. Here it's it's bizarre.
1:16:33
How hard 5. Minutes worth of jogging can
1:16:36
fail though. It's like hilarious but I'm
1:16:38
loving it. It's going to be so exciting how
1:16:41
fast you get it back. Man, you'll be so surprised.
1:16:45
I actually wrote. I wrote.
1:16:46
A PB mileage week this week 340K that's the.
1:16:53
Way supplement it. Yeah, so good.
1:16:58
Fun. Good weather.
1:17:00
Hopefully we just keep heading in the right direction now.
1:17:03
There were a couple of other agenda items, but they'll just
1:17:06
have to hang around till next week.
1:17:09
Kip Jogi paced the. Queen, Queen of.
1:17:11
Thailand to a 2 hour half marathon.
1:17:13
Don't think much needs much more needs to be said than that
1:17:16
itself. He's fucking absolutely raking
1:17:20
it in isn't he? He's like going to get Thailand
1:17:23
citizenship. They love him over there, it's
1:17:25
so weird. Good on him.
1:17:27
Yeah, it's well. And complete right then boys,
1:17:32
should we go and watch the F? One, I'd say yeah, just.
1:17:35
Keep an eye out for during the week, there'll be an interview.
1:17:38
Where a guy whose name rhymes with dog.
1:17:43
And he's got a. Really good YouTube channel.
1:17:47
That's the hints I'm giving. He's pretty fast, right?
1:17:55
Then look. Forward to let us know your
1:17:57
thoughts guys on Valencia and on the interview.
1:18:01
Have you put them up? No, I have.
1:18:03
Not no guys, there's a few woolly hats.
1:18:06
I know Australians don't really you don't need these, but
1:18:10
there's a few woolly hats left if.
1:18:12
These want to pick them up for. Christmas or anything like that,
1:18:13
just message us and we'll we'll throw the link in the bio.
1:18:18
And you'd be able to self checkout if anyone bought a cap
1:18:21
previously. Then you'll know how seamless
1:18:23
the process was. Owen is the model for these.
1:18:26
There's a photo on the Instagram, so if you want to
1:18:28
wonder what we're talking about, there's some grey and black
1:18:32
beanie hats with the logo on which will serve you well over
1:18:35
there in the UK winter. Competitively priced as always.
1:18:42
Hell yeah. All right, see you boys.
1:18:46
Boys. Ciao.
1:18:47
Good luck.