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Waking Up to Pure Awareness: Transcending Your Mind with A. H. Almaas (Part 2) · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  two
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  of
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  dialogue
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  14
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  of
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  the
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  Wisdom
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  series
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  where
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  we
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  continue
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  our
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  conversation
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  with
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  one
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  of
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  humanity's
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  greatest
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  sages
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  and
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  realized
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  teachers.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit
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  Life
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  Enhancing,
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  Paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy
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  But
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  come
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  dichotomies
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  which
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  take
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  up
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  so
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  much
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  of
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  the
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  focus
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  of
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  so
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  much
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  of
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  this
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  chapter.
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  And
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  particularly
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  come
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  back
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  for
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  the
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  moment
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  to
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  the
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  one,
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  as
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  you
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  point
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  out,
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  most
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  frequent
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  and
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  important
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  dichotomies
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  in
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  life
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  and
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  spiritual
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  practice.
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  And
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  that
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  is
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  the
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  dichotomy
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  between
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  good
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  and
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  bad.
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  And
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  clearly
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  this
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  mental
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  dichotomy
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  is
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  the
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  foundation
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  of
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  so
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  much
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  of
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  mental
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  dynamics
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  of
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  attraction,
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  aversion,
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  compulsion,
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  craving.
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  And
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  spiritual
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  work
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  is
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  concerned
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  with
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  the
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  results
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  of
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  this
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  dichotomy.
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  So
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  it'd
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  be
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  great
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  for
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  you
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  to
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  speak
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  about
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  this.
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  Yeah,
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  well,
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  because
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  all
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  dichotomies
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  are
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  conceptual,
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  so
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  they
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  don't
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  exist
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  in
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  this
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  dimension.
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  Pure
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  awareness.
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  The
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  pure
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  awareness
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  goes
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  beyond
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  those
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  dimensions,
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  beyond
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  those
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  dichotomies.
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  So
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  the
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  good
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  and
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  the
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  bad,
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  they're
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  all
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  just
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  colors
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  or
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  shapes
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  and
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  this
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  pure
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  fastness,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  there's
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  no
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  sense
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  they're
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  good
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  or
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  bad.
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  I
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  mean,
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  it
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  requires
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  the
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  knowing
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  capacity
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  to
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  know
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  the
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  good
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  and
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  bad.
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  Here
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  we
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  were
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  beyond
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  the
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  knowing
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  capacity.
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  That
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  doesn't
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  mean
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  if
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  somebody
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  who
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  is
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  living
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  in
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  a
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  non
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  conceptual,
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  they
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  don't
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  see
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  suffering
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  and
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  they
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  don't
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  see
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  horrible
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  thing
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  happening
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  in
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  the
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  world.
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  They
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  do,
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  however,
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  they
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  have
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  to
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  use
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  their
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  knowing
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  capacity
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  to
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  know
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  that
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  if
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  you
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  stay
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  completely
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  in
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  the
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  non
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  conceptual,
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  you
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  can't
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  really
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  operate
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  completely
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  in
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  the
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  world,
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  our
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  world.
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  You'll
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  be
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  away
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  from
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  the
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  world
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  in
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  some
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  sense,
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  you
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  know,
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  but
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  to
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  be
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  living
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  the
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  world,
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  the
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  dimension
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  of
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  knowing
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  is
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  necessary.
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  And
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  the
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  dimension
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  of
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  knowing
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  has
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  those
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  decades.
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  There
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  is,
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  you
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  know,
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  you
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  see
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  suffering,
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  you
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  see
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  badness
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  and
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  goodness
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  and
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  there's
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  a
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  natural.
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  But
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  even
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  in
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  the
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  non
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  conceptual,
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  even
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  if
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  we
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  don't
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  know
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  the
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  non
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  conceptual,
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  we
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  talk
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  about
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  how
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  it
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  functions,
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  how
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  it
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  does
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  it
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  still
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  function
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  from
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  compassion
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  inherently,
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  it
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  doesn't
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  go
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  toward
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  hatred
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  because
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  hatred
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  is
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  not
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  part
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  of
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  the
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  pure
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  awareness,
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  it's
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  the
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  later
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  development
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  of
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  concepts.
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  You
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  see,
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  we
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  see
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  hatred
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  in
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  the
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  world
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  and
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  we
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  don't
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  know
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  it's
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  hatred.
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  Our
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  response
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  to
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  it
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  is
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  to
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  diffuse
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  it.
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  We
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  see
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  pain,
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  our
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  response
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  to
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  it
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  is
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  to
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  heal
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  it
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  without
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  knowing
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  its
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  pain.
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  It's
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  a
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  non
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  conceptual
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  bodhisattva
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  in
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  that
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  case.
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  So
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  that
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  happened.
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  But
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  I
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  think
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  for
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  most
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  people,
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  the
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  dimension
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  of
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  knowing
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  appears,
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  gives
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  one
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  More
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  knowing
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  of
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  what's
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  happening
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  and
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  usage
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  of
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  the
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  knowledge
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  that
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  is
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  available
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  to
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  help.
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  And
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  you
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  speak
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  of
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  the
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  general
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  principle
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  that
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  accessing
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  pure
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  awareness
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  undermines
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  this
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  dichotomy
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  of
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  good
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  or
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  bad
• 3:45
  and
• 3:45
  all
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  dichotomies.
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  And
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  you
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  say
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  that.
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  And
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  that
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  of
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  course,
• 3:49
  with
• 3:50
  the
• 3:50
  undermining
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  of
• 3:51
  the
• 3:51
  good,
• 3:51
  bad
• 3:52
  dichotomy
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  undermines
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  attachment,
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  craving,
• 3:54
  aversion.
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  And
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  you
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  say
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  that
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  allows
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  the
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  heart
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  to
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  open
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  to
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  essential
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  intelligence.
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  To
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  let
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  the
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  intelligence
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  of
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  essence,
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  I
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  think
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  in
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  this
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  case
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  work
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  through.
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  Yeah,
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  because
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  there's
• 4:09
  heart
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  on
• 4:10
  the
• 4:10
  non
• 4:10
  conceptual
• 4:11
  level
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  in
• 4:12
  the
• 4:12
  sense
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  there
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  is
• 4:13
  what
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  we
• 4:13
  call
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  love.
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  But
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  you
• 4:15
  don't
• 4:15
  know
• 4:15
  it's
• 4:15
  love.
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  You
• 4:16
  don't
• 4:17
  call
• 4:17
  it
• 4:17
  love.
• 4:17
  This
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  is
• 4:18
  just
• 4:19
  the
• 4:20
  colors
• 4:20
  change,
• 4:21
  pink
• 4:22
  and
• 4:22
  gold,
• 4:22
  all
• 4:23
  that
• 4:23
  appears
• 4:23
  in
• 4:24
  this
• 4:24
  ground.
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  And,
• 4:25
  and
• 4:25
  it
• 4:25
  flows
• 4:26
  in
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  a
• 4:26
  way
• 4:26
  that
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  other
• 4:27
  people
• 4:27
  say,
• 4:27
  oh,
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  this
• 4:28
  person's
• 4:28
  loving
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  while
• 4:29
  the
• 4:30
  one
• 4:30
  who's
• 4:30
  living
• 4:30
  there.
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  What
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  are
• 4:31
  you
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  talking
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  about?
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  You
• 4:34
  see,
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  but
• 4:35
  you
• 4:35
  see
• 4:35
  those
• 4:36
  dichotomy,
• 4:36
  there
• 4:36
  are
• 4:37
  many
• 4:37
  of
• 4:37
  them
• 4:37
  that
• 4:37
  are
• 4:37
  very
• 4:38
  important.
• 4:38
  You're
• 4:39
  talking
• 4:39
  about
• 4:40
  the
• 4:40
  good
• 4:40
  and
• 4:40
  bad
• 4:40
  one
• 4:41
  dichotomy
• 4:41
  is
• 4:42
  being
• 4:42
  and
• 4:42
  non
• 4:42
  being.
• 4:42
  That's
• 4:43
  what
• 4:43
  most
• 4:43
  teaching
• 4:44
  focus
• 4:44
  on.
• 4:46
  The
• 4:46
  being
• 4:47
  and
• 4:47
  non
• 4:47
  existence
• 4:47
  and
• 4:48
  non
• 4:48
  existence.
• 4:48
  And
• 4:49
  this
• 4:49
  dimension,
• 4:50
  this
• 4:50
  is
• 4:50
  consumption.
• 4:51
  You
• 4:51
  can't
• 4:52
  say
• 4:52
  I
• 4:52
  exist
• 4:53
  or
• 4:53
  don't
• 4:53
  exist.
• 4:54
  Nobody's
• 4:54
  there
• 4:54
  to
• 4:54
  say
• 4:55
  anything
• 4:57
  whether
• 4:58
  you
• 4:58
  exist
• 4:58
  or
• 4:59
  not.
• 4:59
  This
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  is
• 5:00
  pure
• 5:00
  awareness.
• 5:02
  Pure,
• 5:03
  clear,
• 5:03
  transparent,
• 5:05
  lucid,
• 5:06
  you
• 5:06
  know,
• 5:07
  limpid,
• 5:08
  fresh
• 5:09
  awareness
• 5:10
  of
• 5:10
  everything.
• 5:11
  I
• 5:11
  would
• 5:11
  ask
• 5:12
  what
• 5:12
  is
• 5:12
  aware?
• 5:12
  It's
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  ground
• 5:13
  itself
• 5:14
  is
• 5:14
  aware.
• 5:14
  Ground
• 5:15
  itself,
• 5:15
  okay.
• 5:15
  The
• 5:15
  ground
• 5:16
  itself
• 5:16
  is
• 5:16
  made
• 5:17
  out
• 5:17
  of
• 5:17
  awareness.
• 5:18
  That's
• 5:19
  where
• 5:19
  awareness
• 5:19
  come
• 5:20
  from.
• 5:20
  This
• 5:20
  is
• 5:20
  the
• 5:20
  source
• 5:21
  of
• 5:21
  all
• 5:21
  awareness.
• 5:22
  So
• 5:22
  it's
• 5:23
  pure
• 5:23
  awareness,
• 5:24
  aware
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  everything.
• 5:25
  As
• 5:25
  it's
• 5:25
  aware
• 5:26
  of
• 5:26
  itself
• 5:26
  without
• 5:27
  knowing,
• 5:27
  it's
• 5:28
  aware
• 5:28
  of
• 5:28
  itself
• 5:28
  alone,
• 5:29
  but
• 5:30
  it
• 5:30
  is.
• 5:31
  So
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  dichotomy,
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  being,
• 5:33
  non
• 5:33
  being
• 5:34
  part.
• 5:35
  So
• 5:35
  awareness,
• 5:36
  you
• 5:36
  cannot
• 5:36
  say
• 5:37
  its
• 5:37
  presence,
• 5:38
  you
• 5:38
  cannot
• 5:38
  say
• 5:39
  it
• 5:39
  is
• 5:39
  emptiness.
• 5:40
  It
• 5:40
  has
• 5:41
  both
• 5:41
  or
• 5:41
  neither.
• 5:42
  In
• 5:42
  some
• 5:42
  sense
• 5:43
  it's
• 5:43
  beyond
• 5:44
  those
• 5:44
  concepts,
• 5:45
  those
• 5:45
  are
• 5:45
  seen
• 5:46
  as
• 5:46
  concepts.
• 5:47
  So
• 5:48
  being
• 5:48
  or
• 5:49
  existing
• 5:50
  or
• 5:50
  non
• 5:50
  being
• 5:51
  or
• 5:51
  non
• 5:51
  existing,
• 5:52
  which
• 5:53
  other
• 5:53
  dimension
• 5:54
  get
• 5:55
  involved
• 5:55
  in?
• 5:55
  In
• 5:56
  this
• 5:56
  dimension,
• 5:57
  they're
• 5:57
  not
• 5:57
  there.
• 5:58
  So
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  mean
• 6:00
  in
• 6:00
  this
• 6:00
  dimension
• 6:01
  also
• 6:01
  this
• 6:02
  way
• 6:02
  of
• 6:02
  realization,
• 6:04
  which
• 6:04
  by
• 6:04
  the
• 6:05
  way
• 6:05
  is
• 6:05
  one
• 6:05
  of
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  most
• 6:06
  difficult,
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  rarest
• 6:07
  of
• 6:08
  realization.
• 6:08
  People,
• 6:09
  when
• 6:09
  they
• 6:09
  have,
• 6:10
  when
• 6:10
  they
• 6:10
  say
• 6:10
  I'm
• 6:10
  awakened,
• 6:11
  they
• 6:12
  have
• 6:12
  the.
• 6:12
  Usually
• 6:13
  the
• 6:13
  knowing,
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  not
• 6:15
  knowing
• 6:15
  is
• 6:15
  a
• 6:16
  deeper
• 6:16
  thing.
• 6:17
  It's
• 6:17
  a
• 6:18
  more
• 6:18
  rarefied
• 6:19
  place.
• 6:20
  It
• 6:21
  has
• 6:21
  disposed
• 6:22
  of
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  layer
• 6:23
  of
• 6:24
  knowing,
• 6:24
  layer
• 6:25
  of
• 6:25
  gnosis.
• 6:26
  And
• 6:27
  it's
• 6:27
  just
• 6:28
  simply
• 6:30
  aware.
• 6:31
  Simply
• 6:32
  everything
• 6:33
  is
• 6:33
  awareness.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:35
  awareness
• 6:35
  is
• 6:35
  aware
• 6:36
  of
• 6:36
  itself
• 6:36
  at
• 6:36
  all
• 6:37
  points
• 6:37
  of
• 6:37
  itself.
• 6:39
  And.
• 6:41
  And
• 6:41
  this
• 6:41
  is
• 6:41
  the
• 6:42
  most
• 6:42
  fundamental
• 6:43
  or
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  ground
• 6:44
  dimension.
• 6:45
  There's
• 6:45
  probably
• 6:46
  something
• 6:46
  under
• 6:46
  that
• 6:47
  too.
• 6:47
  But
• 6:47
  as
• 6:47
  far
• 6:48
  as
• 6:48
  I'm
• 6:48
  able
• 6:48
  to,
• 6:49
  yes,
• 6:49
  there
• 6:49
  is.
• 6:49
  But
• 6:50
  for
• 6:50
  so
• 6:50
  far,
• 6:51
  let's
• 6:51
  say
• 6:51
  it
• 6:51
  is
• 6:52
  okay,
• 6:52
  good.
• 6:53
  So
• 6:53
  far
• 6:53
  we
• 6:53
  are
• 6:54
  on
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  ground,
• 6:55
  the
• 6:56
  ground
• 6:56
  of
• 6:56
  reality.
• 6:57
  And
• 6:57
  it
• 6:58
  feels
• 6:58
  like.
• 6:58
  It
• 6:59
  feels
• 6:59
  like
• 6:59
  the
• 7:00
  ground
• 7:00
  because
• 7:01
  the
• 7:01
  ground
• 7:01
  of
• 7:01
  knowing
• 7:02
  is
• 7:02
  awareness.
• 7:03
  Without
• 7:04
  awareness,
• 7:04
  there's
• 7:05
  no
• 7:05
  knowing.
• 7:05
  Think
• 7:06
  of
• 7:06
  that.
• 7:06
  Even
• 7:06
  ordinarily,
• 7:07
  can
• 7:08
  you
• 7:08
  have
• 7:08
  knowing
• 7:08
  without
• 7:09
  awareness?
• 7:09
  You
• 7:10
  have
• 7:10
  to
• 7:10
  be
• 7:10
  aware
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  know.
• 7:11
  So
• 7:12
  awareness
• 7:12
  here
• 7:13
  shows
• 7:14
  why
• 7:14
  we
• 7:15
  have
• 7:15
  awareness
• 7:16
  and
• 7:16
  knowing
• 7:16
  in
• 7:16
  the
• 7:16
  ordinary
• 7:17
  experience.
• 7:17
  Where
• 7:18
  does
• 7:18
  our
• 7:18
  ordinary
• 7:18
  experience
• 7:19
  come
• 7:19
  from?
• 7:20
  In
• 7:20
  fact,
• 7:20
  that
• 7:20
  is
• 7:20
  one
• 7:21
  of
• 7:21
  the
• 7:21
  ways,
• 7:22
  methods
• 7:23
  of
• 7:23
  some
• 7:23
  part
• 7:24
  of
• 7:24
  duction
• 7:25
  is
• 7:25
  to
• 7:25
  be
• 7:25
  aware
• 7:25
  of
• 7:26
  your
• 7:26
  ordinary
• 7:26
  awareness,
• 7:28
  to
• 7:28
  recognize
• 7:28
  it.
• 7:29
  If
• 7:29
  you
• 7:29
  recognize
• 7:30
  your
• 7:30
  ordinary
• 7:30
  awareness,
• 7:31
  not
• 7:31
  just
• 7:31
  that
• 7:32
  you
• 7:32
  are
• 7:32
  aware,
• 7:33
  what
• 7:33
  is
• 7:33
  it
• 7:33
  that
• 7:34
  is
• 7:34
  aware?
• 7:35
  If
• 7:35
  you
• 7:35
  become
• 7:35
  aware
• 7:36
  of
• 7:36
  that,
• 7:36
  you
• 7:37
  wake
• 7:37
  up
• 7:38
  to
• 7:38
  this
• 7:38
  pure
• 7:39
  awareness.
• 7:43
  And
• 7:44
  you
• 7:44
  point
• 7:44
  out
• 7:45
  that
• 7:46
  in
• 7:46
  this
• 7:47
  pure
• 7:47
  awareness,
• 7:48
  when
• 7:48
  the
• 7:49
  superimpositions
• 7:50
  of
• 7:50
  these
• 7:50
  dichotomies,
• 7:51
  and
• 7:51
  particularly
• 7:51
  now,
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  good
• 7:53
  and
• 7:53
  bad
• 7:53
  dichotomies,
• 7:55
  dissolve
• 7:56
  under
• 7:56
  the
• 7:57
  illumination
• 7:57
  or
• 7:58
  the.
• 7:58
  The
• 7:58
  healing
• 7:59
  light
• 7:59
  of
• 7:59
  awareness,
• 8:00
  then
• 8:01
  you
• 8:02
  have
• 8:02
  this
• 8:02
  beautiful
• 8:02
  expression
• 8:03
  that
• 8:03
  love
• 8:03
  and
• 8:04
  joy
• 8:04
  can
• 8:04
  operate
• 8:05
  and
• 8:05
  express
• 8:06
  freely.
• 8:07
  And
• 8:07
  one
• 8:07
  can
• 8:07
  love
• 8:08
  without
• 8:08
  needing
• 8:08
  to
• 8:09
  possess
• 8:10
  and
• 8:10
  love
• 8:11
  with
• 8:11
  liberated
• 8:12
  joy
• 8:12
  and
• 8:13
  delight.
• 8:14
  Yeah,
• 8:14
  but
• 8:15
  what
• 8:15
  I'm
• 8:15
  trying
• 8:16
  to
• 8:16
  say
• 8:16
  there
• 8:17
  is
• 8:17
  that
• 8:17
  morality
• 8:18
  and
• 8:18
  ethics
• 8:19
  doesn't
• 8:19
  disappear
• 8:22
  when
• 8:22
  there's
• 8:22
  only
• 8:23
  pure.
• 8:23
  When
• 8:23
  there's
• 8:24
  no
• 8:24
  good
• 8:24
  and
• 8:24
  bad
• 8:24
  doesn't
• 8:25
  mean
• 8:25
  no
• 8:25
  ethics,
• 8:26
  no
• 8:26
  morality.
• 8:27
  Because
• 8:28
  our
• 8:28
  being
• 8:29
  is
• 8:29
  inherently
• 8:30
  a
• 8:30
  goodness.
• 8:31
  Inherently,
• 8:31
  it
• 8:32
  cannot
• 8:32
  do
• 8:32
  anything
• 8:33
  bad
• 8:33
  on
• 8:33
  its
• 8:33
  own,
• 8:34
  so
• 8:35
  it
• 8:35
  will
• 8:35
  function
• 8:37
  from
• 8:37
  the
• 8:37
  externally.
• 8:38
  It
• 8:38
  appears
• 8:38
  as
• 8:39
  this
• 8:39
  person
• 8:39
  functioning
• 8:40
  in
• 8:40
  a
• 8:40
  really
• 8:41
  ethical,
• 8:41
  dignified,
• 8:42
  real
• 8:42
  way.
• 8:43
  This
• 8:44
  is
• 8:44
  really
• 8:44
  good
• 8:44
  news,
• 8:45
  Hameed.
• 8:46
  This
• 8:47
  is
• 8:47
  very,
• 8:47
  very
• 8:48
  positive
• 8:48
  in
• 8:48
  life,
• 8:49
  existence
• 8:49
  affirming.
• 8:50
  Maybe
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  should
• 8:51
  say.
• 8:51
  Yeah,
• 8:51
  yeah,
• 8:52
  it
• 8:52
  is.
• 8:52
  Because
• 8:52
  reality
• 8:53
  is
• 8:54
  at
• 8:54
  all.
• 8:55
  When
• 8:55
  we
• 8:55
  get
• 8:56
  to
• 8:56
  true
• 8:56
  nature,
• 8:56
  any
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  the
• 8:57
  dimension
• 8:57
  is
• 8:58
  a
• 8:58
  pure
• 8:58
  goodness.
• 8:59
  Here
• 8:59
  it's
• 9:00
  a
• 9:00
  pure
• 9:00
  goodness
• 9:00
  that
• 9:01
  doesn't
• 9:01
  call
• 9:01
  itself
• 9:02
  pure
• 9:02
  goodness.
• 9:02
  It's
• 9:03
  pure
• 9:03
  goodness
• 9:03
  without
• 9:04
  having
• 9:04
  to
• 9:04
  call
• 9:04
  itself
• 9:05
  pure
• 9:05
  goodness.
• 9:06
  Just
• 9:07
  like
• 9:07
  the
• 9:08
  baby
• 9:08
  is
• 9:09
  aware
• 9:09
  without
• 9:09
  knowing,
• 9:10
  without
• 9:10
  saying
• 9:10
  it's
• 9:11
  I'm
• 9:11
  aware.
• 9:13
  You
• 9:13
  might
• 9:14
  say
• 9:14
  that
• 9:14
  people
• 9:15
  that
• 9:15
  we
• 9:15
  consider
• 9:15
  saintly
• 9:16
  human
• 9:16
  beings
• 9:17
  aren't
• 9:18
  aware
• 9:18
  of
• 9:18
  their
• 9:18
  saintliness.
• 9:19
  They're
• 9:19
  just
• 9:20
  operating
• 9:21
  from
• 9:21
  that
• 9:21
  place.
• 9:22
  Yeah,
• 9:22
  of
• 9:23
  course
• 9:23
  that
• 9:24
  happened.
• 9:24
  If
• 9:25
  you
• 9:25
  are
• 9:25
  in
• 9:25
  a
• 9:25
  pure
• 9:26
  awareness,
• 9:26
  there's
• 9:27
  no
• 9:27
  such
• 9:27
  thing
• 9:27
  as
• 9:28
  we
• 9:28
  talk
• 9:28
  about
• 9:29
  that
• 9:29
  there
• 9:29
  is
• 9:29
  no
• 9:30
  good
• 9:30
  or
• 9:30
  bad.
• 9:31
  So
• 9:32
  there
• 9:32
  is
• 9:33
  no
• 9:33
  conceptualization
• 9:34
  of
• 9:35
  good
• 9:35
  and
• 9:35
  bad.
• 9:36
  But
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  behavior
• 9:36
  is
• 9:37
  saintly
• 9:37
  anyway.
• 9:39
  From
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  outside
• 9:40
  it
• 9:40
  will
• 9:40
  appear
• 9:41
  as
• 9:41
  a
• 9:41
  good,
• 9:42
  as
• 9:42
  ethical,
• 9:43
  as
• 9:44
  compassionate,
• 9:45
  as
• 9:45
  loving,
• 9:46
  because
• 9:46
  that's
• 9:47
  what
• 9:47
  happened
• 9:47
  even
• 9:48
  in
• 9:48
  the
• 9:48
  pure
• 9:48
  Awareness.
• 9:49
  There's
• 9:49
  pure
• 9:49
  awareness,
• 9:50
  which
• 9:50
  is
• 9:51
  transparent,
• 9:51
  clear
• 9:52
  and
• 9:52
  colorless.
• 9:53
  If
• 9:54
  what's
• 9:54
  needed
• 9:54
  is
• 9:54
  love,
• 9:55
  it
• 9:55
  turns
• 9:56
  color
• 9:57
  into
• 9:59
  golden
• 9:59
  color
• 10:00
  or
• 10:01
  golden
• 10:01
  color
• 10:01
  appears
• 10:02
  in
• 10:02
  it
• 10:02
  as
• 10:03
  love
• 10:03
  that
• 10:04
  is
• 10:04
  needed
• 10:04
  by
• 10:05
  the
• 10:05
  situation
• 10:06
  individual.
• 10:07
  You
• 10:07
  know,
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  liked
• 10:11
  Ram
• 10:12
  Dass
• 10:12
  when
• 10:12
  he
• 10:12
  talked.
• 10:13
  When
• 10:13
  he.
• 10:13
  Remember
• 10:14
  one
• 10:14
  of
• 10:14
  his
• 10:15
  seminars,
• 10:16
  talking
• 10:16
  with
• 10:17
  the
• 10:17
  Buddhist
• 10:17
  teachers
• 10:18
  who
• 10:18
  talk
• 10:19
  about
• 10:19
  awareness,
• 10:20
  he
• 10:20
  said,
• 10:21
  there
• 10:21
  is
• 10:21
  also
• 10:22
  loving
• 10:23
  awareness.
• 10:24
  You
• 10:24
  talk
• 10:24
  about
• 10:25
  loving
• 10:25
  awareness.
• 10:26
  And
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  saw
• 10:26
  he
• 10:26
  knew
• 10:27
  it.
• 10:27
  He
• 10:27
  understood
• 10:28
  loving
• 10:28
  awareness.
• 10:29
  He
• 10:29
  had
• 10:29
  awareness
• 10:29
  that
• 10:30
  was
• 10:30
  golden.
• 10:31
  Yeah.
• 10:31
  And
• 10:32
  at
• 10:32
  the
• 10:32
  very
• 10:32
  end
• 10:32
  of
• 10:32
  his
• 10:33
  life,
• 10:33
  when
• 10:33
  his
• 10:34
  aphasia
• 10:35
  was
• 10:35
  very
• 10:35
  bad,
• 10:36
  he
• 10:36
  could
• 10:36
  barely
• 10:37
  speak.
• 10:37
  He'd
• 10:38
  just
• 10:38
  sit
• 10:38
  there
• 10:39
  saying,
• 10:39
  loving
• 10:40
  awareness,
• 10:40
  loving
• 10:41
  awareness,
• 10:41
  loving
• 10:42
  awareness.
• 10:42
  And
• 10:43
  I
• 10:43
  remember
• 10:44
  looking
• 10:44
  at
• 10:45
  him
• 10:45
  and
• 10:45
  seeing
• 10:46
  it,
• 10:46
  seeing
• 10:47
  he
• 10:47
  had
• 10:47
  that
• 10:48
  transparent
• 10:48
  awareness
• 10:49
  that
• 10:49
  had
• 10:49
  a
• 10:50
  golden
• 10:50
  color.
• 10:51
  So
• 10:51
  it
• 10:51
  was
• 10:51
  loving,
• 10:52
  although
• 10:53
  it
• 10:53
  was
• 10:53
  a
• 10:53
  pure
• 10:54
  awareness.
• 10:55
  Yeah,
• 10:55
  it
• 10:55
  was
• 10:55
  beautiful.
• 10:56
  While
• 10:56
  the
• 10:57
  people
• 10:57
  around
• 10:57
  him,
• 10:58
  they
• 10:58
  knew
• 10:59
  awareness
• 10:59
  always
• 11:00
  didn't
• 11:00
  have
• 11:00
  the
• 11:00
  color
• 11:01
  of
• 11:01
  golden.
• 11:03
  Hameed
• 11:04
  I
• 11:04
  want
• 11:05
  to
• 11:05
  get
• 11:05
  to
• 11:05
  some
• 11:06
  more
• 11:06
  of
• 11:06
  these
• 11:06
  dichotomies
• 11:07
  because
• 11:08
  you
• 11:08
  have
• 11:08
  some
• 11:08
  more
• 11:09
  that
• 11:09
  are
• 11:09
  really
• 11:10
  meaningful
• 11:11
  in
• 11:11
  so
• 11:11
  many
• 11:12
  ways.
• 11:12
  And
• 11:12
  particularly
• 11:13
  you
• 11:14
  point
• 11:14
  to
• 11:15
  the
• 11:15
  importance
• 11:15
  of
• 11:15
  the
• 11:16
  dichotomies
• 11:16
  of
• 11:17
  first
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  one
• 11:18
  and
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  many,
• 11:18
  but
• 11:18
  also
• 11:19
  duality
• 11:20
  and
• 11:20
  non
• 11:20
  duality.
• 11:21
  Of
• 11:21
  course,
• 11:21
  non
• 11:21
  duality
• 11:22
  is
• 11:22
  such
• 11:22
  a
• 11:22
  kind
• 11:23
  of
• 11:23
  buzzword
• 11:24
  in
• 11:24
  the
• 11:24
  spiritual
• 11:25
  circles
• 11:25
  these
• 11:26
  days,
• 11:26
  but
• 11:27
  you
• 11:27
  point
• 11:27
  out
• 11:28
  that
• 11:28
  it's
• 11:29
  a
• 11:29
  little
• 11:29
  tricky
• 11:30
  because
• 11:30
  even
• 11:30
  to
• 11:31
  apply
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  term
• 11:32
  non
• 11:32
  duality
• 11:33
  to
• 11:33
  true
• 11:34
  nature
• 11:35
  is
• 11:35
  to
• 11:36
  try
• 11:36
  to
• 11:36
  f
• 11:36
  the
• 11:37
  ineffable,
• 11:38
  to
• 11:39
  put
• 11:39
  a
• 11:39
  concept
• 11:39
  or
• 11:40
  fit
• 11:40
  true
• 11:41
  nature
• 11:41
  into
• 11:41
  a
• 11:41
  category.
• 11:42
  Yeah,
• 11:43
  yeah,
• 11:43
  you're
• 11:43
  right.
• 11:43
  I
• 11:44
  mean,
• 11:44
  it
• 11:44
  is
• 11:44
  the
• 11:45
  conundrum.
• 11:45
  And
• 11:46
  it
• 11:46
  is
• 11:46
  sort
• 11:47
  of
• 11:47
  difficult
• 11:48
  how
• 11:48
  to
• 11:48
  speak
• 11:49
  because
• 11:49
  you
• 11:49
  call
• 11:49
  it
• 11:50
  non
• 11:50
  dual
• 11:51
  to
• 11:52
  say
• 11:52
  there's
• 11:52
  no
• 11:53
  separation.
• 11:54
  Basically,
• 11:54
  there's
• 11:54
  no
• 11:55
  duality.
• 11:56
  However,
• 11:57
  in
• 11:57
  this
• 11:57
  dimension,
• 11:58
  duality
• 11:59
  and
• 11:59
  non
• 11:59
  duality
• 12:00
  are
• 12:00
  dichotomy,
• 12:01
  two
• 12:02
  sides
• 12:02
  of
• 12:02
  a
• 12:02
  conceptual
• 12:03
  dichotomy.
• 12:04
  So
• 12:04
  we're
• 12:04
  still
• 12:05
  looking
• 12:05
  at
• 12:05
  things
• 12:05
  conceptually.
• 12:07
  When
• 12:07
  we
• 12:07
  talk
• 12:07
  about
• 12:08
  non
• 12:08
  dual.
• 12:09
  When
• 12:09
  you're
• 12:09
  in
• 12:09
  this
• 12:09
  place,
• 12:10
  you
• 12:10
  don't
• 12:10
  say
• 12:10
  non
• 12:10
  dual.
• 12:11
  You
• 12:12
  have
• 12:12
  no
• 12:12
  idea
• 12:12
  what
• 12:13
  dual
• 12:13
  and
• 12:13
  non
• 12:14
  dual
• 12:14
  is.
• 12:15
  You're
• 12:15
  just
• 12:16
  pure
• 12:16
  awareness,
• 12:17
  being
• 12:17
  fresh
• 12:18
  and
• 12:19
  aware
• 12:20
  and
• 12:20
  functioning
• 12:21
  in
• 12:21
  a
• 12:22
  loving
• 12:22
  way
• 12:23
  without
• 12:23
  knowing
• 12:23
  you're
• 12:24
  functioning
• 12:24
  in
• 12:24
  a
• 12:25
  loving
• 12:25
  way.
• 12:26
  Like
• 12:26
  the
• 12:26
  saintly
• 12:27
  person
• 12:27
  wouldn't
• 12:27
  say,
• 12:28
  I'm
• 12:28
  such
• 12:28
  a
• 12:29
  saint,
• 12:30
  you
• 12:30
  know.
• 12:31
  Yeah,
• 12:32
  yeah,
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  same
• 12:33
  exactly.
• 12:34
  Just
• 12:34
  like
• 12:34
  somebody
• 12:35
  who's
• 12:35
  really
• 12:35
  in
• 12:35
  a
• 12:36
  non
• 12:36
  dual.
• 12:36
  And
• 12:37
  this
• 12:37
  non
• 12:38
  dual
• 12:38
  can
• 12:38
  be
• 12:39
  with
• 12:39
  knowing.
• 12:40
  And
• 12:40
  we
• 12:40
  could
• 12:41
  call
• 12:41
  it
• 12:41
  non
• 12:41
  dual.
• 12:41
  This
• 12:42
  non
• 12:42
  dual
• 12:42
  dimension
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  non
• 12:43
  dual
• 12:44
  is
• 12:44
  beyond
• 12:45
  concept.
• 12:46
  So
• 12:46
  you
• 12:47
  don't
• 12:47
  say
• 12:47
  it's
• 12:47
  non.
• 12:48
  It
• 12:48
  is
• 12:48
  non
• 12:49
  dual
• 12:49
  without
• 12:50
  the
• 12:50
  concept
• 12:50
  of
• 12:50
  non
• 12:51
  dual.
• 12:52
  It's
• 12:52
  Non.
• 12:52
  Dual
• 12:52
  in
• 12:52
  the
• 12:52
  sense.
• 12:53
  There's
• 12:53
  no
• 12:54
  thing
• 12:54
  separate.
• 12:54
  It's
• 12:55
  unified
• 12:56
  fabric
• 12:58
  unified
• 12:58
  reality
• 12:59
  is.
• 12:59
  It
• 13:00
  has
• 13:00
  no.
• 13:00
  It's
• 13:01
  not
• 13:01
  like
• 13:01
  there
• 13:01
  are
• 13:02
  many
• 13:03
  pure
• 13:03
  awarenesses.
• 13:04
  There's
• 13:04
  one
• 13:05
  pure
• 13:05
  awareness,
• 13:06
  you
• 13:06
  know,
• 13:07
  But.
• 13:07
  But
• 13:07
  Hameed,
• 13:08
  you
• 13:08
  kind
• 13:08
  of.
• 13:08
  You
• 13:09
  kind
• 13:09
  of
• 13:09
  break
• 13:09
  down
• 13:10
  all
• 13:11
  these
• 13:11
  different
• 13:11
  dimensions
• 13:13
  with
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  end
• 13:13
  goal
• 13:14
  of
• 13:14
  being
• 13:14
  able
• 13:15
  to
• 13:15
  put
• 13:15
  it
• 13:15
  all
• 13:15
  back
• 13:16
  together
• 13:16
  again
• 13:16
  in
• 13:17
  a
• 13:17
  co.
• 13:17
  Emergent.
• 13:18
  It's
• 13:18
  all
• 13:19
  there.
• 13:19
  Yeah.
• 13:20
  All
• 13:21
  of
• 13:21
  this
• 13:21
  stuff
• 13:21
  all
• 13:21
  the
• 13:22
  time.
• 13:22
  Exactly.
• 13:23
  Which
• 13:23
  we
• 13:23
  will
• 13:23
  get
• 13:24
  to
• 13:24
  at
• 13:24
  some
• 13:24
  point.
• 13:24
  You're
• 13:25
  right.
• 13:25
  You're
• 13:26
  reading
• 13:26
  ahead.
• 13:27
  That's
• 13:28
  good.
• 13:28
  I
• 13:28
  am.
• 13:29
  I'm
• 13:29
  sorry.
• 13:29
  No,
• 13:29
  that's
• 13:30
  good.
• 13:30
  I
• 13:30
  mean,
• 13:31
  the
• 13:32
  listener
• 13:32
  need
• 13:33
  to
• 13:33
  know
• 13:33
  that.
• 13:33
  That
• 13:34
  we
• 13:34
  wouldn't.
• 13:35
  And
• 13:35
  I'm
• 13:35
  not
• 13:36
  breaking
• 13:36
  down.
• 13:36
  That's
• 13:37
  how
• 13:37
  it
• 13:37
  emerging
• 13:38
  in
• 13:38
  my
• 13:38
  experience.
• 13:39
  Yeah.
• 13:40
  Possible
• 13:40
  too.
• 13:41
  It's
• 13:42
  not
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  mind
• 13:42
  breaking
• 13:43
  it
• 13:43
  down.
• 13:43
  It's
• 13:44
  reality
• 13:44
  manifesting
• 13:45
  itself
• 13:46
  in
• 13:46
  different
• 13:46
  ways
• 13:47
  to
• 13:48
  show
• 13:48
  us
• 13:49
  the
• 13:49
  process
• 13:49
  of
• 13:50
  how
• 13:50
  things
• 13:50
  happen.
• 13:51
  You
• 13:51
  see,
• 13:52
  because
• 13:52
  the
• 13:53
  dichotomies
• 13:54
  are
• 13:54
  important
• 13:54
  for
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  development
• 13:56
  of
• 13:56
  the
• 13:56
  human
• 13:56
  being.
• 13:57
  You
• 13:57
  need
• 13:58
  the
• 13:58
  good
• 13:58
  and
• 13:58
  bad
• 13:58
  and
• 13:59
  you
• 13:59
  need
• 13:59
  being
• 13:59
  and
• 14:00
  non
• 14:00
  being.
• 14:00
  You
• 14:01
  need
• 14:01
  doing
• 14:01
  and
• 14:02
  non
• 14:02
  doing
• 14:03
  to
• 14:03
  function
• 14:03
  in
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  ego
• 14:05
  level,
• 14:05
  which
• 14:06
  is
• 14:06
  a
• 14:06
  necessary
• 14:06
  stage.
• 14:08
  And
• 14:09
  one
• 14:09
  of
• 14:09
  the
• 14:09
  dichotomies,
• 14:10
  for
• 14:10
  instance,
• 14:11
  is
• 14:12
  we
• 14:13
  talked
• 14:13
  about
• 14:13
  being
• 14:14
  and
• 14:14
  doing
• 14:15
  and
• 14:15
  good
• 14:16
  and
• 14:16
  bad
• 14:17
  and
• 14:17
  being
• 14:18
  and
• 14:18
  non
• 14:18
  being.
• 14:19
  But
• 14:20
  all
• 14:20
  the
• 14:20
  consumption
• 14:21
  dichotomies.
• 14:23
  And
• 14:23
  the
• 14:23
  important
• 14:23
  thing
• 14:24
  I
• 14:24
  wanted
• 14:24
  to
• 14:25
  say
• 14:25
  here
• 14:26
  is
• 14:26
  that
• 14:28
  when
• 14:28
  we
• 14:30
  begin
• 14:30
  to
• 14:30
  have
• 14:31
  hints
• 14:31
  of
• 14:31
  this
• 14:31
  dimension,
• 14:33
  those
• 14:33
  conceptual
• 14:34
  dichotomies
• 14:35
  arise
• 14:37
  as
• 14:37
  the
• 14:37
  obstacles.
• 14:38
  And
• 14:39
  that's
• 14:39
  why
• 14:39
  we
• 14:39
  need
• 14:40
  to
• 14:40
  see
• 14:40
  them
• 14:41
  as
• 14:41
  conceptual
• 14:42
  dichotomies
• 14:43
  that
• 14:43
  are
• 14:43
  not
• 14:43
  fundamental.
• 14:45
  They're
• 14:45
  not
• 14:45
  absolutely
• 14:46
  fundamental.
• 14:47
  So
• 14:47
  they
• 14:48
  arise
• 14:48
  because
• 14:49
  the
• 14:49
  whole
• 14:50
  edifice
• 14:52
  of
• 14:52
  knowledge
• 14:53
  and
• 14:54
  self
• 14:54
  are
• 14:55
  based
• 14:55
  on
• 14:55
  them.
• 14:56
  They
• 14:57
  are
• 14:57
  the
• 14:58
  ground
• 14:58
  building
• 14:59
  blocks
• 15:00
  of
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  later
• 15:02
  conceptualization
• 15:03
  and
• 15:03
  the
• 15:04
  later
• 15:04
  self
• 15:04
  images
• 15:05
  and
• 15:06
  the
• 15:06
  later
• 15:07
  identification.
• 15:08
  All
• 15:08
  of
• 15:08
  those
• 15:09
  require
• 15:09
  those
• 15:10
  dichotomies.
• 15:11
  You
• 15:11
  see,
• 15:12
  it's
• 15:12
  the
• 15:12
  structure
• 15:13
  of
• 15:13
  the
• 15:13
  seed
• 15:13
  itself.
• 15:14
  Yeah.
• 15:15
  It
• 15:15
  needs
• 15:15
  to
• 15:16
  be
• 15:16
  there
• 15:16
  for
• 15:16
  the
• 15:16
  seed
• 15:17
  to
• 15:17
  be
• 15:17
  what
• 15:17
  it
• 15:18
  is,
• 15:18
  to
• 15:18
  become
• 15:19
  what
• 15:19
  it
• 15:19
  can
• 15:19
  be.
• 15:20
  Yeah.
• 15:21
  But
• 15:21
  to
• 15:21
  go
• 15:21
  to
• 15:22
  the
• 15:22
  dimension,
• 15:22
  we
• 15:23
  need
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  go
• 15:23
  through
• 15:23
  these
• 15:24
  things.
• 15:24
  We
• 15:25
  need
• 15:25
  to
• 15:26
  experience
• 15:26
  them,
• 15:26
  recognize
• 15:27
  their
• 15:27
  usefulness,
• 15:28
  and
• 15:29
  be
• 15:29
  able
• 15:29
  to
• 15:29
  be
• 15:30
  without
• 15:30
  them.
• 15:33
  Yeah.
• 15:34
  And
• 15:36
  jumping
• 15:36
  ahead
• 15:36
  a
• 15:36
  little
• 15:37
  bit,
• 15:37
  since
• 15:37
  you
• 15:38
  brought
• 15:38
  it
• 15:38
  up.
• 15:38
  I
• 15:39
  mean,
• 15:39
  there's
• 15:39
  a
• 15:40
  idea
• 15:41
  in
• 15:41
  developmental,
• 15:42
  adult
• 15:42
  developmental
• 15:43
  psychology
• 15:43
  that's
• 15:43
  the
• 15:44
  possibility
• 15:44
  of
• 15:44
  reaching
• 15:45
  a
• 15:45
  stage
• 15:45
  of
• 15:45
  what's
• 15:45
  called
• 15:46
  concept
• 15:47
  awareness.
• 15:48
  In
• 15:48
  which
• 15:48
  one
• 15:48
  recognizes
• 15:49
  that
• 15:50
  one's
• 15:50
  beliefs,
• 15:51
  all
• 15:51
  one's
• 15:52
  beliefs
• 15:52
  are
• 15:53
  just
• 15:53
  these
• 15:53
  mental
• 15:54
  constructions.
• 15:55
  Yeah.
• 15:56
  And
• 15:56
  instead
• 15:56
  of
• 15:57
  being
• 15:57
  reality,
• 15:59
  one
• 15:59
  can
• 16:00
  now
• 16:00
  step
• 16:00
  back
• 16:00
  and
• 16:01
  look
• 16:01
  at
• 16:01
  them
• 16:01
  and
• 16:01
  recognize
• 16:02
  them
• 16:02
  as
• 16:02
  just
• 16:03
  something
• 16:03
  manufactured
• 16:04
  by
• 16:04
  the
• 16:05
  mind.
• 16:05
  And
• 16:05
  Then
• 16:06
  one
• 16:06
  can
• 16:06
  use
• 16:06
  them
• 16:07
  choicefully,
• 16:08
  skillfully,
• 16:09
  effectively,
• 16:10
  but
• 16:10
  one
• 16:10
  is
• 16:11
  no
• 16:11
  longer
• 16:11
  ruled
• 16:11
  by
• 16:12
  them.
• 16:12
  Yeah,
• 16:13
  and
• 16:13
  we
• 16:13
  give
• 16:13
  up.
• 16:14
  Usually
• 16:14
  the
• 16:15
  process
• 16:15
  of
• 16:16
  spiritual
• 16:16
  development,
• 16:17
  you
• 16:17
  give
• 16:17
  up
• 16:18
  some
• 16:18
  at
• 16:19
  a
• 16:19
  time,
• 16:19
  not
• 16:19
  all
• 16:20
  together.
• 16:20
  Usually
• 16:22
  unless
• 16:22
  you
• 16:22
  jump
• 16:23
  into
• 16:23
  this
• 16:23
  quantum
• 16:24
  leap
• 16:24
  into
• 16:24
  the
• 16:25
  non
• 16:25
  conceptual.
• 16:26
  But
• 16:26
  usually
• 16:27
  you
• 16:27
  will
• 16:27
  give
• 16:27
  up.
• 16:28
  You
• 16:28
  know
• 16:28
  something?
• 16:29
  I
• 16:29
  mean,
• 16:30
  when
• 16:30
  we
• 16:30
  work
• 16:30
  through
• 16:31
  our
• 16:32
  identification,
• 16:33
  we're
• 16:33
  working
• 16:34
  through.
• 16:35
  All
• 16:35
  the
• 16:35
  ideas
• 16:35
  are
• 16:36
  based
• 16:36
  on
• 16:36
  concepts.
• 16:38
  Remember,
• 16:39
  in
• 16:39
  discussing
• 16:40
  pure
• 16:41
  presence
• 16:42
  and
• 16:42
  its
• 16:42
  knowingness,
• 16:43
  I
• 16:44
  talked
• 16:44
  about
• 16:44
  basic
• 16:45
  concepts.
• 16:46
  Basic
• 16:47
  concepts
• 16:47
  is
• 16:48
  things
• 16:48
  like
• 16:49
  love
• 16:49
  and
• 16:50
  being.
• 16:51
  And
• 16:51
  you
• 16:51
  are
• 16:52
  knowing
• 16:52
  what
• 16:52
  is
• 16:53
  not
• 16:54
  created
• 16:54
  by
• 16:54
  the
• 16:54
  mind.
• 16:56
  You
• 16:56
  see,
• 16:57
  it's
• 16:57
  created
• 16:58
  by
• 16:58
  being.
• 16:59
  So
• 16:59
  life
• 17:01
  and
• 17:02
  knowing
• 17:03
  and
• 17:04
  functioning,
• 17:05
  all
• 17:05
  that
• 17:06
  are
• 17:06
  created
• 17:07
  by
• 17:07
  being
• 17:08
  in
• 17:08
  that
• 17:08
  dimension,
• 17:09
  we
• 17:09
  know
• 17:09
  them
• 17:10
  because
• 17:11
  that
• 17:11
  knowing
• 17:12
  implies
• 17:13
  a
• 17:13
  concept
• 17:13
  that
• 17:14
  later
• 17:14
  on,
• 17:14
  when
• 17:15
  it
• 17:15
  is
• 17:16
  abstracted
• 17:17
  and
• 17:18
  kept
• 17:18
  in
• 17:18
  the
• 17:18
  mind,
• 17:18
  remembered,
• 17:19
  it
• 17:20
  can
• 17:20
  be
• 17:20
  then
• 17:20
  reified.
• 17:21
  When
• 17:22
  it's
• 17:22
  reified,
• 17:23
  it
• 17:23
  can
• 17:23
  be
• 17:23
  used
• 17:23
  as
• 17:24
  a
• 17:24
  building
• 17:24
  block
• 17:25
  for
• 17:25
  the
• 17:25
  self.
• 17:26
  So
• 17:26
  you
• 17:27
  see
• 17:27
  how
• 17:27
  the
• 17:27
  stages
• 17:28
  of
• 17:28
  the
• 17:28
  building
• 17:29
  block
• 17:30
  for
• 17:30
  development
• 17:31
  of
• 17:31
  the
• 17:31
  self
• 17:31
  requires.
• 17:32
  First
• 17:33
  it
• 17:33
  needs
• 17:33
  the
• 17:34
  awareness
• 17:34
  for
• 17:34
  it
• 17:35
  to
• 17:35
  even
• 17:36
  have
• 17:36
  experience.
• 17:37
  Then
• 17:37
  it
• 17:37
  needs
• 17:38
  knowing
• 17:38
  to
• 17:39
  be
• 17:39
  able
• 17:39
  to
• 17:40
  orient
• 17:41
  itself.
• 17:42
  And
• 17:42
  that
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  knowing
• 17:43
  has
• 17:44
  then
• 17:44
  developed
• 17:45
  into
• 17:46
  mental
• 17:46
  knowing
• 17:48
  because
• 17:48
  of
• 17:49
  memory,
• 17:50
  you
• 17:50
  know,
• 17:50
  and
• 17:51
  impression.
• 17:51
  That
• 17:52
  experience
• 17:52
  impresses
• 17:53
  us,
• 17:53
  leaves
• 17:53
  imprints
• 17:54
  on
• 17:54
  us.
• 17:55
  And
• 17:55
  those
• 17:56
  impressions
• 17:57
  become
• 17:57
  reified,
• 17:59
  become
• 17:59
  like
• 18:00
  realities
• 18:00
  on
• 18:01
  their
• 18:01
  own.
• 18:01
  Something
• 18:01
  in
• 18:02
  our
• 18:02
  mind,
• 18:03
  and
• 18:03
  we
• 18:04
  hold
• 18:04
  onto
• 18:04
  it
• 18:05
  as
• 18:06
  true
• 18:07
  always.
• 18:07
  So
• 18:08
  like
• 18:09
  holding
• 18:09
  on
• 18:09
  to
• 18:09
  our
• 18:09
  pain,
• 18:10
  for
• 18:10
  instance.
• 18:12
  How
• 18:12
  do
• 18:13
  we
• 18:13
  hold
• 18:13
  onto
• 18:13
  it
• 18:14
  without
• 18:15
  some
• 18:15
  kind
• 18:15
  of
• 18:15
  reified
• 18:16
  concept?
• 18:17
  There's
• 18:18
  no
• 18:18
  reified
• 18:18
  concept
• 18:19
  of
• 18:20
  that
• 18:20
  event
• 18:21
  that
• 18:21
  caused
• 18:22
  the
• 18:22
  pain.
• 18:24
  It
• 18:24
  will
• 18:24
  go
• 18:24
  away,
• 18:25
  you
• 18:26
  see,
• 18:27
  so.
• 18:27
  So
• 18:27
  concepts
• 18:28
  are
• 18:28
  not
• 18:28
  bad.
• 18:28
  Except
• 18:29
  when
• 18:29
  they
• 18:29
  become
• 18:30
  our
• 18:30
  prison
• 18:30
  bars.
• 18:31
  Yeah.
• 18:32
  Until
• 18:32
  they
• 18:33
  are
• 18:33
  reified
• 18:33
  or
• 18:34
  they
• 18:34
  become
• 18:34
  something
• 18:34
  that
• 18:35
  rarefied.
• 18:36
  And
• 18:36
  after
• 18:36
  the
• 18:37
  identification
• 18:38
  with
• 18:38
  them,
• 18:39
  believing
• 18:40
  them
• 18:40
  to
• 18:40
  be
• 18:41
  fundamentally
• 18:42
  true
• 18:42
  and
• 18:43
  you
• 18:43
  can't
• 18:43
  live
• 18:44
  without
• 18:44
  them.
• 18:45
  That's.
• 18:46
  That's
• 18:46
  the
• 18:46
  prison
• 18:47
  bars.
• 18:47
  Yes.
• 18:48
  So
• 18:48
  when
• 18:49
  you
• 18:49
  could
• 18:49
  hold
• 18:49
  them
• 18:50
  in
• 18:51
  this
• 18:52
  more
• 18:52
  awake,
• 18:53
  more
• 18:53
  transparent
• 18:54
  way,
• 18:55
  they're.
• 18:55
  They're
• 18:55
  not
• 18:56
  bad
• 18:56
  in
• 18:56
  themselves.
• 18:57
  They're.
• 18:57
  They're
• 18:58
  part
• 18:58
  of
• 18:58
  being.
• 18:59
  But
• 18:59
  it's
• 18:59
  when
• 18:59
  we
• 19:00
  reify
• 19:01
  and
• 19:01
  make
• 19:01
  them
• 19:01
  our
• 19:01
  prison
• 19:02
  bars
• 19:02
  and,
• 19:02
  and
• 19:02
  they
• 19:03
  keep
• 19:03
  us
• 19:04
  locked
• 19:04
  into
• 19:05
  our
• 19:05
  separate
• 19:06
  identity.
• 19:07
  That's
• 19:08
  a
• 19:08
  good
• 19:08
  way
• 19:08
  of
• 19:08
  saying.
• 19:08
  It's
• 19:10
  a
• 19:10
  way
• 19:10
  of
• 19:11
  saying
• 19:11
  it,
• 19:11
  John.
• 19:13
  And
• 19:13
  one
• 19:14
  of
• 19:14
  the
• 19:14
  concepts
• 19:15
  dichotomies
• 19:16
  you
• 19:16
  point
• 19:16
  to
• 19:16
  as
• 19:17
  being
• 19:17
  really
• 19:18
  important
• 19:18
  on
• 19:18
  the
• 19:19
  spiritual
• 19:19
  path.
• 19:20
  And
• 19:20
  you
• 19:21
  actually
• 19:21
  lay
• 19:21
  out
• 19:21
  a
• 19:22
  progression
• 19:22
  here
• 19:23
  as
• 19:23
  the
• 19:24
  dichotomy
• 19:24
  of
• 19:25
  something
• 19:25
  is
• 19:26
  meaningful
• 19:26
  or
• 19:27
  meaningless.
• 19:28
  Oh
• 19:28
  yes.
• 19:29
  And
• 19:30
  you
• 19:30
  point
• 19:30
  out
• 19:30
  that
• 19:31
  there's
• 19:31
  a
• 19:32
  interesting
• 19:33
  journey
• 19:33
  here
• 19:33
  that
• 19:34
  we
• 19:35
  have.
• 19:35
  And
• 19:35
  particularly
• 19:36
  anyone
• 19:36
  who's
• 19:36
  on
• 19:37
  a
• 19:37
  path
• 19:38
  has
• 19:38
  a
• 19:38
  deep
• 19:39
  need
• 19:39
  or
• 19:40
  felt
• 19:40
  need
• 19:41
  for
• 19:41
  meaning.
• 19:42
  And
• 19:43
  until
• 19:43
  there's
• 19:43
  the
• 19:44
  realization
• 19:44
  of
• 19:45
  one's
• 19:45
  true
• 19:45
  nature,
• 19:45
  one
• 19:46
  recognizes
• 19:47
  this
• 19:47
  is
• 19:48
  what's
• 19:48
  truly
• 19:48
  meaningful
• 19:49
  in
• 19:49
  life.
• 19:50
  Yeah,
• 19:51
  yeah.
• 19:51
  And
• 19:52
  you
• 19:52
  point
• 19:52
  out
• 19:52
  the
• 19:52
  paradox
• 19:53
  that
• 19:54
  at
• 19:54
  that
• 19:54
  point
• 19:55
  the
• 19:57
  meaningless
• 19:57
  dichotomy
• 19:58
  kind
• 19:58
  of
• 19:58
  fades
• 19:59
  away
• 19:59
  and
• 19:59
  it
• 19:59
  can
• 19:59
  feel
• 20:00
  like
• 20:00
  a
• 20:00
  loss.
• 20:01
  Yeah,
• 20:02
  yeah.
• 20:03
  Because
• 20:04
  many
• 20:04
  people
• 20:05
  begin
• 20:05
  their
• 20:05
  spiritual
• 20:06
  journey
• 20:07
  because
• 20:07
  their
• 20:08
  life
• 20:08
  feel
• 20:08
  meaningless.
• 20:10
  And
• 20:10
  looking
• 20:10
  for
• 20:10
  the
• 20:11
  meaning
• 20:11
  of
• 20:11
  life.
• 20:12
  What
• 20:12
  is
• 20:12
  the
• 20:12
  meaning
• 20:13
  of
• 20:13
  my
• 20:13
  life?
• 20:14
  And
• 20:15
  you
• 20:15
  cannot
• 20:15
  find
• 20:16
  it
• 20:16
  in
• 20:16
  the
• 20:16
  external
• 20:17
  world.
• 20:17
  You
• 20:17
  find
• 20:17
  it
• 20:18
  in
• 20:18
  a
• 20:19
  journey,
• 20:20
  you
• 20:20
  know,
• 20:20
  a
• 20:20
  spiritual
• 20:21
  realization.
• 20:21
  Until
• 20:22
  you
• 20:23
  recognize
• 20:24
  your
• 20:25
  true
• 20:25
  nature,
• 20:25
  your
• 20:26
  essential
• 20:26
  nature.
• 20:27
  And
• 20:27
  that
• 20:27
  becomes.
• 20:28
  So
• 20:28
  the
• 20:28
  meaning
• 20:29
  is
• 20:29
  not
• 20:29
  a
• 20:29
  concept,
• 20:30
  you
• 20:31
  know,
• 20:31
  something
• 20:32
  that
• 20:32
  can
• 20:32
  be.
• 20:32
  It
• 20:33
  is
• 20:33
  actually
• 20:33
  the
• 20:34
  beingness
• 20:34
  itself.
• 20:35
  It
• 20:35
  is
• 20:36
  the
• 20:36
  presence
• 20:36
  itself.
• 20:37
  When
• 20:37
  we
• 20:38
  feel
• 20:38
  that
• 20:38
  the
• 20:39
  sense
• 20:39
  of
• 20:40
  looking
• 20:40
  for
• 20:40
  being
• 20:40
  disappears,
• 20:42
  that
• 20:42
  becomes
• 20:43
  the
• 20:43
  true
• 20:43
  meaning.
• 20:44
  That's
• 20:45
  why
• 20:45
  I
• 20:45
  think
• 20:46
  the
• 20:46
  Sufis,
• 20:47
  when
• 20:47
  they
• 20:47
  refer
• 20:48
  to
• 20:48
  presence,
• 20:48
  they
• 20:49
  call
• 20:49
  it
• 20:49
  meaning.
• 20:51
  That's
• 20:51
  nice.
• 20:52
  I
• 20:52
  mean,
• 20:52
  that's
• 20:52
  really
• 20:53
  powerful.
• 20:54
  I
• 20:55
  was
• 20:55
  surprised
• 20:55
  to
• 20:55
  see
• 20:56
  it,
• 20:56
  that
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  Sufi,
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  word
• 20:57
  for
• 20:57
  it,
• 20:58
  Arabic
• 20:58
  word
• 20:59
  mana,
• 21:00
  means
• 21:00
  meaning.
• 21:01
  They
• 21:02
  don't
• 21:02
  say
• 21:02
  present,
• 21:02
  they
• 21:03
  say
• 21:03
  meaning
• 21:05
  because
• 21:05
  it
• 21:05
  is
• 21:06
  the
• 21:06
  meaning
• 21:06
  of
• 21:07
  life.
• 21:08
  Ugh.
• 21:09
  To
• 21:09
  live
• 21:09
  that.
• 21:10
  I
• 21:10
  just
• 21:11
  got
• 21:11
  that.
• 21:11
  That's
• 21:11
  very,
• 21:12
  very
• 21:12
  good.
• 21:12
  Thank
• 21:12
  you.
• 21:13
  Yeah.
• 21:13
  And.
• 21:13
  But
• 21:14
  then
• 21:14
  when
• 21:14
  we
• 21:14
  go
• 21:14
  to
• 21:15
  the
• 21:15
  non
• 21:15
  conceptual,
• 21:16
  we've
• 21:16
  gone
• 21:17
  beyond
• 21:17
  meaning
• 21:19
  because
• 21:20
  meaning
• 21:20
  is
• 21:20
  still
• 21:21
  meaning
• 21:21
  on
• 21:22
  the
• 21:22
  being
• 21:22
  level.
• 21:23
  Happens
• 21:24
  through
• 21:26
  gnosis,
• 21:27
  as
• 21:28
  the
• 21:28
  meaning
• 21:29
  is
• 21:29
  not
• 21:30
  something
• 21:30
  in
• 21:30
  your
• 21:30
  mind
• 21:31
  is
• 21:31
  your
• 21:31
  being
• 21:32
  is
• 21:32
  the
• 21:32
  meaning.
• 21:33
  But
• 21:34
  you
• 21:34
  know,
• 21:34
  being,
• 21:35
  you
• 21:36
  know,
• 21:36
  when
• 21:36
  you
• 21:37
  go
• 21:37
  to
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  pure
• 21:37
  awareness,
• 21:38
  the
• 21:39
  concept
• 21:39
  of
• 21:39
  being
• 21:39
  is
• 21:40
  gone.
• 21:41
  When
• 21:42
  the
• 21:42
  concept
• 21:42
  of
• 21:42
  being
• 21:42
  is
• 21:43
  gone,
• 21:43
  the
• 21:43
  concept
• 21:44
  of
• 21:44
  meaning
• 21:44
  is
• 21:44
  gone.
• 21:47
  And
• 21:48
  here
• 21:48
  you
• 21:49
  don't
• 21:49
  feel
• 21:49
  there's
• 21:50
  no
• 21:50
  meaning.
• 21:51
  There
• 21:52
  is
• 21:52
  just
• 21:52
  the
• 21:52
  idea
• 21:53
  of
• 21:53
  meaning
• 21:53
  is
• 21:53
  not
• 21:53
  there.
• 21:53
  It
• 21:54
  doesn't
• 21:54
  make
• 21:54
  sense.
• 21:55
  Yeah.
• 21:56
  You
• 21:56
  see,
• 21:56
  it's
• 21:57
  not
• 21:57
  meaninglessness.
• 21:59
  It's
• 21:59
  even
• 22:00
  meaninglessness
• 22:00
  is
• 22:01
  gone
• 22:01
  because
• 22:01
  meaningless
• 22:02
  is
• 22:02
  the
• 22:03
  opposite
• 22:03
  of
• 22:03
  meaning.
• 22:04
  It's
• 22:04
  a
• 22:05
  dichotomy,
• 22:07
  you
• 22:07
  see,
• 22:07
  and
• 22:08
  the
• 22:08
  pure
• 22:08
  awareness.
• 22:09
  We've
• 22:09
  gone
• 22:10
  beyond
• 22:10
  all
• 22:11
  conception
• 22:11
  dichotomies.
• 22:12
  So
• 22:13
  we
• 22:13
  don't
• 22:13
  feel
• 22:13
  meaning
• 22:14
  or
• 22:14
  meaninglessness.
• 22:15
  There's
• 22:16
  just
• 22:16
  pure
• 22:16
  freedom
• 22:17
  and
• 22:18
  freshness
• 22:20
  of
• 22:20
  the
• 22:20
  awareness.
• 22:22
  And
• 22:22
  meaning
• 22:23
  is
• 22:23
  a
• 22:23
  manifestation,
• 22:25
  even
• 22:25
  though
• 22:25
  very
• 22:26
  maybe
• 22:26
  a
• 22:26
  subtle
• 22:27
  manifestation,
• 22:27
  but
• 22:28
  it's
• 22:28
  still
• 22:29
  a
• 22:29
  manifestation.
• 22:31
  Yeah,
• 22:31
  meaning.
• 22:32
  It
• 22:32
  is
• 22:32
  a
• 22:32
  manifestation,
• 22:33
  but
• 22:34
  a
• 22:34
  manifestation
• 22:35
  of
• 22:35
  our
• 22:36
  being.
• 22:38
  You
• 22:38
  know,
• 22:38
  it's
• 22:39
  not
• 22:40
  just
• 22:40
  manifestation
• 22:41
  of
• 22:41
  our
• 22:41
  thoughts.
• 22:41
  Manifestation,
• 22:42
  our
• 22:43
  presence
• 22:43
  of
• 22:43
  our
• 22:45
  realness
• 22:46
  of
• 22:46
  what
• 22:46
  we
• 22:46
  are.
• 22:47
  Our
• 22:47
  real
• 22:48
  being
• 22:48
  is
• 22:49
  the
• 22:49
  true
• 22:49
  meaning.
• 22:50
  Of
• 22:50
  course,
• 22:50
  there
• 22:51
  are
• 22:51
  all
• 22:51
  kind
• 22:52
  of
• 22:52
  meaning
• 22:52
  in
• 22:52
  the
• 22:52
  world.
• 22:53
  You
• 22:53
  know,
• 22:53
  the
• 22:53
  meaning
• 22:54
  of
• 22:54
  this,
• 22:54
  meaning
• 22:54
  of
• 22:55
  that.
• 22:55
  But
• 22:55
  here
• 22:55
  we
• 22:56
  talk,
• 22:56
  what
• 22:56
  is
• 22:56
  the
• 22:57
  meaning
• 22:57
  of
• 22:57
  life?
• 22:57
  What
• 22:58
  is
• 22:58
  the
• 22:58
  meaning
• 22:58
  of
• 22:58
  existence.
• 22:59
  The
• 22:59
  meaning
• 22:59
  of
• 23:00
  existence
• 23:00
  is
• 23:00
  the
• 23:00
  recognition
• 23:01
  of
• 23:01
  existence
• 23:02
  itself.
• 23:04
  You
• 23:04
  see?
• 23:05
  Yeah.
• 23:05
  And
• 23:06
  you
• 23:06
  link
• 23:06
  this
• 23:06
  also,
• 23:07
  Hameed,
• 23:07
  to
• 23:08
  the
• 23:08
  dichotomy
• 23:09
  of
• 23:09
  purpose
• 23:09
  and
• 23:09
  purposelessness
• 23:11
  and
• 23:11
  pointing
• 23:12
  out
• 23:12
  again
• 23:12
  that
• 23:12
  there
• 23:13
  are
• 23:13
  are
• 23:14
  stages
• 23:14
  on
• 23:14
  the
• 23:15
  journey
• 23:15
  here
• 23:15
  that
• 23:15
  it
• 23:16
  can
• 23:16
  feel
• 23:16
  very
• 23:17
  important
• 23:17
  to
• 23:17
  have
• 23:18
  a
• 23:18
  purpose
• 23:18
  and
• 23:19
  we
• 23:19
  can
• 23:19
  get
• 23:19
  very
• 23:20
  attached
• 23:20
  to
• 23:20
  that
• 23:21
  which
• 23:21
  creates
• 23:22
  suffering.
• 23:22
  But
• 23:23
  then
• 23:23
  eventually,
• 23:24
  ideally
• 23:24
  anyway,
• 23:25
  we
• 23:26
  realize
• 23:26
  true
• 23:27
  nature
• 23:27
  which
• 23:27
  transcends
• 23:28
  any
• 23:28
  purpose.
• 23:29
  Right.
• 23:31
  And
• 23:31
  then
• 23:32
  there's
• 23:33
  this
• 23:33
  sense
• 23:33
  of
• 23:33
  fulfillment
• 23:34
  without
• 23:35
  purpose.
• 23:36
  Kind
• 23:36
  of
• 23:36
  loses
• 23:37
  its
• 23:37
  meaning
• 23:37
  or
• 23:38
  significance.
• 23:39
  Yeah.
• 23:39
  So
• 23:40
  that
• 23:40
  remind
• 23:40
  me
• 23:41
  of
• 23:41
  the
• 23:41
  Buddhist
• 23:42
  idea
• 23:44
  that
• 23:44
  we
• 23:44
  come
• 23:44
  to
• 23:45
  this
• 23:45
  life
• 23:46
  to
• 23:46
  get
• 23:46
  enlightened.
• 23:48
  Life
• 23:48
  is
• 23:49
  needed
• 23:49
  because
• 23:50
  human
• 23:50
  life
• 23:51
  is
• 23:51
  the
• 23:51
  only
• 23:51
  way
• 23:52
  we
• 23:52
  can
• 23:52
  get
• 23:52
  enlightened.
• 23:53
  That
• 23:54
  mean
• 23:54
  they're
• 23:55
  talking
• 23:55
  about
• 23:55
  purpose.
• 23:57
  The
• 23:57
  purpose
• 23:58
  of
• 23:58
  human
• 23:58
  life
• 23:59
  is
• 24:00
  to
• 24:00
  get
• 24:00
  to
• 24:00
  Buddhahood.
• 24:02
  But
• 24:03
  purpose
• 24:03
  is
• 24:03
  not.
• 24:04
  Purpose
• 24:04
  is
• 24:04
  not
• 24:04
  bad,
• 24:05
  but
• 24:05
  it's
• 24:06
  just
• 24:06
  a
• 24:06
  necessary
• 24:07
  step
• 24:08
  on
• 24:08
  the
• 24:08
  road
• 24:08
  to
• 24:08
  realization.
• 24:10
  Yeah,
• 24:11
  that's
• 24:11
  not
• 24:11
  bad.
• 24:12
  But
• 24:12
  we
• 24:12
  are
• 24:13
  at
• 24:13
  the
• 24:13
  ground
• 24:14
  of
• 24:14
  experience
• 24:16
  where
• 24:17
  it's
• 24:17
  pre
• 24:18
  purpose.
• 24:19
  You
• 24:19
  know,
• 24:19
  a
• 24:20
  question
• 24:20
  of
• 24:20
  purpose
• 24:20
  and
• 24:21
  no
• 24:21
  purpose
• 24:22
  are
• 24:22
  not
• 24:22
  there
• 24:23
  yet.
• 24:24
  I
• 24:24
  mean,
• 24:25
  you
• 24:25
  could
• 24:26
  say,
• 24:26
  you
• 24:26
  know,
• 24:26
  your
• 24:27
  functioning
• 24:27
  has
• 24:28
  a
• 24:28
  purpose,
• 24:28
  but
• 24:29
  you
• 24:29
  are
• 24:30
  not
• 24:30
  thinking
• 24:30
  of
• 24:30
  it
• 24:31
  that
• 24:31
  way.
• 24:31
  You're
• 24:31
  just
• 24:31
  functioning.
• 24:33
  You
• 24:33
  know,
• 24:33
  you're
• 24:34
  just
• 24:34
  loving,
• 24:34
  you're
• 24:34
  cooking.
• 24:35
  You
• 24:35
  don't
• 24:36
  say
• 24:36
  you're
• 24:37
  cooking
• 24:37
  to
• 24:38
  eat
• 24:38
  food.
• 24:39
  In
• 24:39
  fact,
• 24:40
  you
• 24:40
  might
• 24:40
  not
• 24:40
  know
• 24:40
  that
• 24:41
  you'll
• 24:42
  be
• 24:42
  cooking.
• 24:43
  And
• 24:43
  you
• 24:43
  go
• 24:44
  from
• 24:44
  one
• 24:44
  step
• 24:44
  to
• 24:45
  another
• 24:45
  cooking.
• 24:45
  And
• 24:46
  then
• 24:46
  you
• 24:46
  find
• 24:46
  yourself
• 24:47
  eating
• 24:48
  in
• 24:48
  the
• 24:49
  flow.
• 24:50
  The
• 24:50
  graduation
• 24:51
  from
• 24:52
  cooking
• 24:52
  to
• 24:53
  preparing
• 24:53
  to
• 24:54
  eating
• 24:54
  is
• 24:55
  in
• 24:55
  time.
• 24:56
  And
• 24:56
  the
• 24:56
  pure
• 24:57
  awareness
• 24:57
  is
• 24:57
  always
• 24:58
  in
• 24:58
  the
• 24:58
  moment.
• 24:59
  So
• 24:59
  you
• 25:00
  know
• 25:00
  you're
• 25:00
  cooking,
• 25:00
  you
• 25:01
  know
• 25:01
  how
• 25:01
  to
• 25:01
  cook
• 25:01
  and
• 25:01
  you
• 25:02
  cook,
• 25:02
  but
• 25:03
  you
• 25:03
  don't
• 25:03
  know
• 25:03
  you're
• 25:03
  cooking
• 25:04
  because
• 25:04
  you're
• 25:04
  going
• 25:04
  to
• 25:04
  eat
• 25:05
  it.
• 25:06
  And
• 25:06
  then
• 25:07
  you
• 25:07
  start
• 25:08
  eating
• 25:09
  and
• 25:09
  you
• 25:10
  forgot
• 25:10
  that
• 25:10
  you
• 25:10
  cooked
• 25:11
  it.
• 25:12
  You're
• 25:12
  just
• 25:12
  eating
• 25:13
  if
• 25:13
  you
• 25:14
  remember
• 25:14
  you've
• 25:14
  cooked
• 25:16
  is
• 25:16
  bringing
• 25:17
  a
• 25:17
  memory
• 25:17
  which
• 25:18
  is
• 25:18
  concepts
• 25:19
  into
• 25:19
  the
• 25:19
  pure
• 25:21
  function
• 25:21
  of
• 25:22
  eating.
• 25:22
  And
• 25:22
  you
• 25:22
  don't
• 25:23
  even
• 25:23
  call
• 25:23
  it
• 25:23
  eating.
• 25:25
  The
• 25:25
  universe
• 25:26
  is
• 25:26
  just
• 25:26
  changing,
• 25:27
  has
• 25:27
  changed
• 25:29
  the
• 25:29
  mind,
• 25:29
  called
• 25:30
  it
• 25:30
  eating.
• 25:31
  And
• 25:32
  I'm
• 25:32
  probably
• 25:32
  jumping
• 25:33
  ahead,
• 25:33
  but
• 25:34
  that
• 25:34
  the
• 25:34
  universe
• 25:35
  is
• 25:35
  being
• 25:36
  recreated
• 25:37
  every
• 25:38
  instant.
• 25:39
  Yes.
• 25:39
  As
• 25:40
  well
• 25:40
  as
• 25:40
  annihilated.
• 25:41
  But
• 25:41
  it's.
• 25:41
  Yeah,
• 25:42
  so
• 25:42
  it
• 25:42
  brings
• 25:43
  us
• 25:43
  to
• 25:43
  that.
• 25:43
  Exactly.
• 25:45
  Yeah.
• 25:45
  And
• 25:46
  because.
• 25:48
  Yeah,
• 25:48
  because
• 25:49
  we
• 25:49
  are
• 25:49
  also
• 25:51
  in
• 25:51
  pure
• 25:51
  awareness.
• 25:52
  It
• 25:52
  would
• 25:52
  be
• 25:53
  on
• 25:53
  the
• 25:53
  concept
• 25:53
  of
• 25:54
  time
• 25:54
  and
• 25:55
  timelessness.
• 25:57
  You
• 25:57
  know,
• 25:57
  time
• 25:58
  or
• 25:58
  no
• 25:58
  time,
• 25:58
  it's.
• 25:59
  Again,
• 26:00
  it's
• 26:00
  a
• 26:01
  concept,
• 26:01
  a
• 26:01
  useful
• 26:01
  concept.
• 26:02
  However,
• 26:03
  in
• 26:03
  this
• 26:04
  dimension
• 26:04
  of
• 26:05
  realization,
• 26:07
  there's
• 26:07
  no
• 26:07
  question,
• 26:08
  you
• 26:08
  don't
• 26:08
  even
• 26:09
  say
• 26:09
  it's
• 26:09
  timeless
• 26:10
  to
• 26:10
  say
• 26:10
  mean
• 26:10
  you're
• 26:11
  negation
• 26:11
  time.
• 26:11
  But
• 26:12
  timelessness
• 26:12
  and
• 26:12
  time
• 26:13
  Are
• 26:13
  the
• 26:13
  conceptual
• 26:14
  dichotomy.
• 26:17
  It'S
• 26:18
  just
• 26:18
  the
• 26:18
  fingers
• 26:19
  of
• 26:19
  God
• 26:19
  wiggling.
• 26:21
  Yeah,
• 26:22
  you
• 26:22
  could
• 26:22
  say
• 26:22
  that.
• 26:23
  But
• 26:23
  you
• 26:23
  don't
• 26:24
  even
• 26:24
  have
• 26:24
  a
• 26:24
  concept
• 26:25
  of
• 26:25
  God.
• 26:26
  Sorry,
• 26:27
  Lord.
• 26:28
  Yeah,
• 26:29
  I
• 26:29
  think
• 26:30
  the
• 26:30
  chapter
• 26:31
  gets
• 26:31
  into
• 26:31
  that.
• 26:32
  Oh,
• 26:32
  it
• 26:32
  does.
• 26:32
  The
• 26:33
  concept
• 26:33
  of
• 26:33
  deity
• 26:34
  is
• 26:34
  a
• 26:34
  concept.
• 26:35
  It's
• 26:36
  a
• 26:36
  good
• 26:36
  concept,
• 26:37
  it's
• 26:37
  a
• 26:37
  real
• 26:37
  concept.
• 26:38
  But
• 26:38
  in
• 26:38
  this
• 26:39
  dimension
• 26:39
  we've
• 26:40
  gone
• 26:40
  beyond
• 26:40
  concepts.
• 26:42
  So
• 26:42
  God's
• 26:42
  being
• 26:43
  God
• 26:43
  without
• 26:44
  thinking
• 26:44
  it
• 26:44
  is
• 26:44
  God.
• 26:47
  You
• 26:47
  mentioned
• 26:47
  the
• 26:48
  universal
• 26:48
  heretic
• 26:49
  at
• 26:49
  one
• 26:49
  point,
• 26:50
  which
• 26:50
  is
• 26:51
  very
• 26:51
  powerful,
• 26:52
  that
• 26:53
  you
• 26:54
  get
• 26:54
  to
• 26:54
  the
• 26:54
  place
• 26:54
  beyond
• 26:55
  all
• 26:55
  the
• 26:56
  different
• 26:56
  spiritual
• 26:57
  traditions
• 26:57
  and
• 26:58
  teachings
• 26:58
  and
• 26:59
  this
• 26:59
  and
• 26:59
  that,
• 26:59
  and
• 27:00
  you're
• 27:00
  just
• 27:00
  that.
• 27:01
  And
• 27:03
  you
• 27:03
  no
• 27:03
  longer
• 27:04
  believe.
• 27:05
  You
• 27:05
  just
• 27:05
  know
• 27:06
  if
• 27:07
  I'm.
• 27:07
  If
• 27:07
  I'm
• 27:07
  understanding
• 27:08
  that.
• 27:08
  Correct.
• 27:09
  Yeah,
• 27:09
  Universe.
• 27:10
  It's
• 27:10
  a
• 27:10
  good
• 27:10
  thing
• 27:10
  you
• 27:11
  bring
• 27:11
  in
• 27:11
  the
• 27:11
  universal
• 27:12
  heretic
• 27:12
  means
• 27:13
  in
• 27:13
  this
• 27:14
  place
• 27:15
  there
• 27:15
  is
• 27:16
  no
• 27:16
  believing
• 27:17
  in
• 27:17
  any
• 27:17
  teaching.
• 27:18
  There's
• 27:19
  no
• 27:19
  adherence
• 27:19
  to
• 27:20
  any
• 27:20
  teaching,
• 27:21
  any
• 27:21
  path.
• 27:21
  We're
• 27:22
  beyond
• 27:22
  it.
• 27:23
  We're
• 27:23
  beyond
• 27:23
  the
• 27:24
  idea
• 27:24
  of
• 27:24
  teaching
• 27:25
  path.
• 27:26
  So
• 27:26
  that's
• 27:26
  a
• 27:26
  universal
• 27:27
  heretic.
• 27:27
  I
• 27:27
  don't,
• 27:28
  you
• 27:28
  know,
• 27:29
  I
• 27:29
  can
• 27:29
  be
• 27:30
  within
• 27:30
  this
• 27:30
  teaching
• 27:31
  or
• 27:31
  that
• 27:31
  teaching
• 27:32
  or
• 27:32
  I
• 27:32
  mean,
• 27:33
  you
• 27:33
  could
• 27:33
  arrive
• 27:33
  at
• 27:33
  this
• 27:34
  humanity
• 27:34
  teaching.
• 27:35
  However,
• 27:36
  when
• 27:36
  you
• 27:36
  are
• 27:36
  having
• 27:37
  it,
• 27:37
  you
• 27:37
  drop
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  teaching
• 27:40
  and
• 27:40
  you
• 27:41
  drop
• 27:41
  all
• 27:41
  teaching.
• 27:43
  So
• 27:43
  in
• 27:43
  that
• 27:44
  sense,
• 27:44
  you
• 27:44
  never
• 27:44
  say
• 27:45
  a
• 27:45
  heretic.
• 27:46
  You
• 27:46
  don't
• 27:46
  believe
• 27:46
  in
• 27:46
  any
• 27:46
  of
• 27:47
  them
• 27:47
  because
• 27:47
  there's
• 27:47
  no
• 27:48
  belief.
• 27:48
  It's
• 27:48
  not
• 27:48
  like
• 27:49
  I
• 27:49
  believe,
• 27:50
  but
• 27:50
  I
• 27:50
  don't
• 27:51
  believe
• 27:51
  in
• 27:51
  those.
• 27:52
  No,
• 27:52
  there
• 27:52
  is
• 27:52
  no
• 27:52
  such
• 27:53
  thing
• 27:53
  as
• 27:53
  belief
• 27:54
  because
• 27:54
  belief
• 27:55
  requires
• 27:55
  concepts.
• 27:57
  And
• 27:58
  also
• 27:58
  it
• 27:58
  seems
• 27:59
  like
• 27:59
  at
• 27:59
  this
• 28:00
  stage
• 28:00
  you're
• 28:00
  pointing
• 28:00
  to
• 28:01
  amid,
• 28:02
  there's
• 28:02
  the
• 28:02
  recognition
• 28:03
  again
• 28:04
  of
• 28:05
  all
• 28:05
  concepts
• 28:06
  or
• 28:06
  belief
• 28:07
  systems
• 28:07
  as
• 28:07
  mental
• 28:08
  constructions.
• 28:09
  And
• 28:09
  one
• 28:09
  sees
• 28:10
  through
• 28:10
  them
• 28:10
  in
• 28:11
  that
• 28:11
  way.
• 28:11
  But
• 28:12
  you
• 28:12
  point
• 28:12
  out,
• 28:13
  one
• 28:13
  is
• 28:14
  also
• 28:14
  free
• 28:14
  to
• 28:14
  use
• 28:15
  them
• 28:15
  in
• 28:16
  whatever
• 28:16
  way
• 28:16
  is
• 28:16
  most
• 28:17
  skillful.
• 28:18
  Yeah.
• 28:18
  So
• 28:19
  that
• 28:19
  brings
• 28:19
  us
• 28:20
  back
• 28:20
  to
• 28:21
  the
• 28:21
  question
• 28:21
  is
• 28:21
  that
• 28:22
  for
• 28:23
  most
• 28:23
  of
• 28:23
  the
• 28:23
  time
• 28:23
  euphorialized
• 28:24
  individual,
• 28:26
  the
• 28:26
  pure
• 28:26
  awareness
• 28:27
  comes
• 28:27
  together
• 28:29
  with
• 28:29
  the
• 28:29
  pure
• 28:30
  knowing.
• 28:32
  Like
• 28:32
  the
• 28:33
  pure
• 28:33
  awareness,
• 28:34
  a
• 28:34
  pure
• 28:34
  being
• 28:35
  are
• 28:35
  non
• 28:36
  dual,
• 28:36
  inseparable.
• 28:37
  And
• 28:37
  that
• 28:38
  is
• 28:38
  where
• 28:38
  Zocchian
• 28:39
  I
• 28:39
  think
• 28:39
  perspective
• 28:40
  is
• 28:41
  knowing
• 28:41
  and
• 28:42
  awareness
• 28:42
  at
• 28:42
  the
• 28:43
  same
• 28:43
  time
• 28:43
  inseparable.
• 28:45
  And
• 28:48
  I
• 28:48
  got
• 28:48
  non
• 28:49
  conceptual.
• 28:49
  So
• 28:49
  why
• 28:50
  don't
• 28:50
  you
• 28:50
  remind
• 28:50
  me?
• 28:53
  That's
• 28:53
  a
• 28:54
  trouble
• 28:55
  with
• 28:55
  being
• 28:55
  non
• 28:55
  conceptual.
• 28:56
  That's
• 28:56
  what
• 28:57
  I'll
• 28:57
  be
• 28:57
  teaching.
• 28:58
  And
• 28:58
  then
• 28:59
  everything
• 28:59
  disappears.
• 29:00
  I
• 29:00
  sit
• 29:01
  there
• 29:01
  for
• 29:01
  a
• 29:01
  few
• 29:01
  minutes
• 29:02
  not
• 29:02
  knowing
• 29:02
  what
• 29:02
  to
• 29:03
  say
• 29:03
  until
• 29:04
  it
• 29:04
  comes,
• 29:04
  the
• 29:05
  conference
• 29:05
  comes
• 29:06
  and
• 29:06
  then
• 29:06
  I'm
• 29:06
  saying
• 29:07
  it.
• 29:07
  We
• 29:08
  should
• 29:08
  all
• 29:09
  have
• 29:09
  this
• 29:09
  problem.
• 29:10
  I
• 29:11
  bet
• 29:11
  that
• 29:11
  they're
• 29:12
  very
• 29:12
  powerful
• 29:12
  moments
• 29:13
  for
• 29:13
  your
• 29:13
  students
• 29:14
  and
• 29:14
  just
• 29:14
  this
• 29:15
  universal
• 29:15
  heretic.
• 29:17
  But
• 29:17
  remind
• 29:18
  me,
• 29:18
  what
• 29:19
  was
• 29:19
  it
• 29:19
  we
• 29:19
  discussing?
• 29:21
  Well,
• 29:22
  we
• 29:22
  were
• 29:22
  discussing
• 29:22
  non.
• 29:23
  The
• 29:23
  Non
• 29:23
  concept,
• 29:25
  universal
• 29:25
  heritage
• 29:26
  or.
• 29:26
  And
• 29:26
  the
• 29:27
  universal
• 29:27
  heretic.
• 29:27
  We.
• 29:28
  We.
• 29:28
  I
• 29:28
  kind
• 29:29
  of
• 29:29
  got
• 29:29
  us
• 29:29
  that
• 29:30
  one.
• 29:30
  And,
• 29:31
  and
• 29:31
  my.
• 29:31
  My
• 29:31
  question
• 29:32
  I
• 29:32
  was
• 29:32
  going
• 29:32
  to
• 29:33
  ask
• 29:33
  is.
• 29:33
  Once
• 29:34
  you
• 29:37
  disregard
• 29:38
  all
• 29:38
  the
• 29:38
  belief
• 29:39
  systems.
• 29:40
  Yeah.
• 29:42
  Doesn't
• 29:42
  mean
• 29:42
  you
• 29:42
  go
• 29:42
  around
• 29:42
  the
• 29:42
  world
• 29:42
  negating
• 29:42
  everybody's
• 29:43
  belief
• 29:43
  systems,
• 29:44
  but
• 29:44
  you
• 29:44
  bring
• 29:45
  a
• 29:45
  new
• 29:45
  presence
• 29:46
  back
• 29:46
  to
• 29:47
  those
• 29:47
  belief
• 29:47
  systems
• 29:48
  that
• 29:48
  help
• 29:48
  people
• 29:49
  be
• 29:49
  where
• 29:49
  they're
• 29:50
  at
• 29:50
  and
• 29:51
  somehow
• 29:52
  bring.
• 29:52
  Oh,
• 29:53
  yeah,
• 29:53
  yeah.
• 29:53
  Essential
• 29:54
  compassion
• 29:55
  or
• 29:55
  light
• 29:55
  or.
• 29:56
  I'm
• 29:57
  struggling
• 29:57
  for
• 29:57
  the
• 29:57
  words.
• 29:58
  So
• 29:58
  it's
• 29:58
  not
• 29:58
  that
• 29:58
  you
• 29:59
  walk
• 29:59
  around
• 29:59
  telling
• 29:59
  everybody
• 30:00
  they're
• 30:00
  wrong,
• 30:00
  they're
• 30:00
  wrong,
• 30:00
  they're
• 30:00
  wrong.
• 30:01
  It
• 30:01
  doesn't
• 30:01
  exist.
• 30:02
  Okay.
• 30:02
  I'm
• 30:02
  reminded
• 30:03
  we
• 30:03
  come
• 30:03
  back
• 30:03
  to
• 30:03
  what
• 30:04
  I
• 30:04
  call
• 30:04
  the
• 30:04
  master
• 30:05
  of
• 30:05
  knowledge.
• 30:06
  That's
• 30:06
  what
• 30:07
  I
• 30:07
  think
• 30:07
  Raj
• 30:07
  was
• 30:08
  referring
• 30:08
  to,
• 30:08
  that
• 30:09
  the
• 30:09
  two
• 30:09
  dimension
• 30:10
  of
• 30:10
  pure
• 30:11
  awareness
• 30:11
  and
• 30:11
  pure
• 30:12
  knowing
• 30:12
  are
• 30:12
  all
• 30:13
  together
• 30:14
  present.
• 30:15
  That
• 30:15
  way
• 30:16
  you
• 30:16
  can
• 30:17
  know,
• 30:17
  but
• 30:18
  you
• 30:18
  can
• 30:18
  also
• 30:18
  be
• 30:19
  free
• 30:19
  from
• 30:19
  the
• 30:19
  knowing.
• 30:21
  So
• 30:22
  you
• 30:22
  can
• 30:22
  use
• 30:22
  the
• 30:23
  knowledge,
• 30:23
  but
• 30:24
  you're
• 30:24
  not
• 30:24
  bound
• 30:25
  by
• 30:25
  it.
• 30:26
  Wow.
• 30:27
  So
• 30:27
  you
• 30:27
  can
• 30:27
  use
• 30:28
  whatever
• 30:28
  is
• 30:28
  needed.
• 30:29
  You
• 30:29
  can
• 30:29
  know
• 30:29
  it
• 30:30
  and
• 30:30
  use
• 30:30
  it
• 30:31
  and
• 30:32
  talk
• 30:32
  through
• 30:33
  it.
• 30:33
  That
• 30:34
  concept,
• 30:35
  however,
• 30:35
  your
• 30:36
  sense
• 30:37
  of
• 30:37
  what
• 30:37
  you
• 30:37
  are
• 30:37
  is
• 30:38
  beyond
• 30:38
  it.
• 30:39
  That
• 30:39
  makes
• 30:39
  you
• 30:39
  the
• 30:40
  master
• 30:40
  of
• 30:40
  knowledge
• 30:42
  because
• 30:42
  you
• 30:42
  can
• 30:43
  have.
• 30:43
  You
• 30:44
  can
• 30:44
  use
• 30:44
  any
• 30:44
  knowledge,
• 30:45
  but
• 30:45
  you're
• 30:45
  not
• 30:46
  attached
• 30:46
  to
• 30:46
  it.
• 30:46
  It
• 30:47
  doesn't
• 30:47
  define
• 30:48
  me.
• 30:50
  And
• 30:50
  I
• 30:50
  think
• 30:50
  you
• 30:51
  also
• 30:51
  point
• 30:51
  out,
• 30:51
  Hameed,
• 30:52
  that
• 30:52
  the
• 30:52
  master
• 30:53
  of
• 30:53
  knowledge
• 30:53
  does
• 30:54
  not
• 30:54
  mistake
• 30:55
  any
• 30:56
  knowledge
• 30:57
  or
• 30:58
  system
• 30:58
  or
• 30:58
  belief,
• 30:59
  belief
• 31:00
  system
• 31:00
  or
• 31:01
  tradition
• 31:02
  for
• 31:03
  the
• 31:03
  truth,
• 31:04
  but
• 31:04
  recognizes
• 31:05
  it
• 31:05
  as
• 31:05
  potentially
• 31:06
  useful
• 31:06
  pointer
• 31:07
  and
• 31:07
  can
• 31:07
  appreciate
• 31:07
  them
• 31:08
  all
• 31:08
  and
• 31:08
  play
• 31:09
  with
• 31:09
  them
• 31:09
  in
• 31:09
  a
• 31:09
  way.
• 31:10
  Exactly.
• 31:10
  And
• 31:11
  that's
• 31:11
  what
• 31:11
  actually
• 31:12
  happened.
• 31:12
  That's
• 31:12
  why
• 31:13
  I
• 31:13
  like
• 31:14
  all
• 31:15
  teachings.
• 31:16
  I
• 31:16
  could
• 31:17
  tell
• 31:17
  which
• 31:17
  teaching
• 31:18
  is
• 31:18
  real
• 31:18
  or
• 31:18
  not.
• 31:19
  Not
• 31:19
  everything
• 31:20
  teaching
• 31:20
  is
• 31:20
  real,
• 31:21
  but
• 31:21
  most
• 31:22
  of
• 31:22
  the
• 31:22
  universal
• 31:23
  teaching
• 31:23
  we
• 31:24
  know
• 31:24
  about
• 31:24
  are
• 31:24
  real.
• 31:24
  They
• 31:25
  come
• 31:25
  from
• 31:27
  realized
• 31:27
  individual.
• 31:28
  And
• 31:28
  each
• 31:28
  one
• 31:29
  has
• 31:29
  a
• 31:29
  perspective.
• 31:30
  And
• 31:31
  I
• 31:31
  can
• 31:31
  see
• 31:32
  the
• 31:32
  perspective,
• 31:32
  understand
• 31:33
  it,
• 31:33
  benefit
• 31:34
  from
• 31:34
  it.
• 31:34
  In
• 31:34
  fact,
• 31:34
  DAM
• 31:35
  approach
• 31:35
  borrowed
• 31:36
  from
• 31:36
  many
• 31:37
  perspectives
• 31:38
  and
• 31:38
  its
• 31:39
  conceptualization
• 31:40
  and
• 31:40
  understanding
• 31:41
  of
• 31:41
  what's
• 31:42
  happening.
• 31:43
  So,
• 31:43
  yes,
• 31:43
  I
• 31:44
  see
• 31:44
  the
• 31:45
  conceptualization
• 31:46
  of
• 31:46
  the
• 31:46
  teaching
• 31:47
  and
• 31:48
  its
• 31:49
  usefulness,
• 31:50
  but
• 31:50
  I
• 31:51
  don't
• 31:51
  have
• 31:51
  to
• 31:51
  adhere
• 31:52
  to
• 31:52
  it.
• 31:52
  I
• 31:53
  can
• 31:53
  shift
• 31:53
  to
• 31:54
  another
• 31:54
  one
• 31:55
  because
• 31:57
  I
• 31:57
  can
• 31:57
  see
• 31:58
  all
• 31:58
  of
• 31:58
  them.
• 31:59
  I
• 31:59
  can
• 31:59
  go
• 31:59
  beyond
• 32:00
  any
• 32:00
  one
• 32:00
  of
• 32:00
  them.
• 32:01
  I
• 32:02
  can
• 32:02
  choose
• 32:02
  one
• 32:02
  of
• 32:02
  them,
• 32:03
  live
• 32:03
  within
• 32:04
  it
• 32:05
  for
• 32:05
  some
• 32:05
  time,
• 32:06
  but
• 32:07
  I'm
• 32:07
  not
• 32:07
  bound
• 32:08
  by
• 32:08
  it.
• 32:10
  And
• 32:10
  I
• 32:10
  think
• 32:11
  you're
• 32:11
  pointing
• 32:12
  to
• 32:13
  your
• 32:13
  ability
• 32:13
  to
• 32:14
  see
• 32:15
  all
• 32:15
  these
• 32:16
  perspectives
• 32:17
  or
• 32:17
  teachings
• 32:18
  and
• 32:19
  their
• 32:19
  relative
• 32:20
  use
• 32:20
  and
• 32:21
  value.
• 32:22
  And
• 32:22
  it
• 32:22
  feels
• 32:22
  like.
• 32:23
  Are
• 32:23
  you
• 32:23
  pointing
• 32:23
  here
• 32:24
  towards
• 32:24
  what
• 32:24
  you
• 32:25
  call
• 32:25
  the
• 32:25
  view
• 32:25
  of
• 32:25
  totality,
• 32:27
  the
• 32:27
  recognition
• 32:28
  of.
• 32:29
  Well,
• 32:29
  I'll
• 32:29
  let
• 32:29
  you
• 32:29
  speak.
• 32:30
  Yeah,
• 32:30
  yeah.
• 32:31
  That's
• 32:31
  what
• 32:31
  I
• 32:31
  call
• 32:32
  the
• 32:32
  view
• 32:32
  of
• 32:32
  totality.
• 32:32
  It's
• 32:32
  not
• 32:33
  in
• 32:33
  the
• 32:33
  book,
• 32:33
  in
• 32:33
  this
• 32:34
  book.
• 32:35
  Immutance
• 32:35
  and
• 32:35
  other
• 32:36
  books
• 32:36
  which
• 32:37
  hopefully
• 32:37
  we'll
• 32:38
  discuss
• 32:38
  at
• 32:38
  some
• 32:38
  point
• 32:39
  that
• 32:40
  there
• 32:40
  are
• 32:40
  other
• 32:41
  kind
• 32:41
  of
• 32:41
  realization.
• 32:42
  Even
• 32:42
  I'm
• 32:42
  talking
• 32:43
  about
• 32:43
  the
• 32:43
  five
• 32:44
  dimensions
• 32:45
  of
• 32:45
  non
• 32:45
  duality,
• 32:46
  but
• 32:47
  we're
• 32:47
  talking
• 32:47
  only
• 32:48
  about
• 32:48
  non
• 32:48
  duality,
• 32:49
  the
• 32:49
  other
• 32:49
  kind
• 32:49
  of
• 32:50
  realization
• 32:51
  that
• 32:52
  this
• 32:52
  book
• 32:52
  doesn't
• 32:53
  get
• 32:53
  into
• 32:54
  and
• 32:55
  that
• 32:56
  brings
• 32:56
  the
• 32:57
  view
• 32:57
  of
• 32:57
  totality.
• 32:58
  There's
• 32:58
  non
• 32:58
  dual.
• 32:59
  There's
• 33:00
  other
• 33:00
  kinds.
• 33:00
  Hameed,
• 33:01
  you
• 33:01
  mean
• 33:01
  there's
• 33:02
  another
• 33:02
  book
• 33:02
  that
• 33:02
  I
• 33:03
  have
• 33:03
  to
• 33:03
  read?
• 33:04
  No.
• 33:06
  Only
• 33:07
  about.
• 33:08
  They're
• 33:09
  not
• 33:09
  big
• 33:09
  as
• 33:09
  this
• 33:09
  one.
• 33:12
  I've
• 33:12
  started
• 33:12
  writing
• 33:13
  everything
• 33:13
  out
• 33:13
  longhand.
• 33:14
  Huge
• 33:14
  passages.
• 33:15
  Just
• 33:16
  it
• 33:16
  seems
• 33:16
  to
• 33:16
  help
• 33:17
  me
• 33:18
  read
• 33:18
  some
• 33:18
  of
• 33:19
  those.
• 33:19
  Like
• 33:19
  Runaway
• 33:20
  Realization
• 33:21
  for
• 33:21
  instance.
• 33:21
  Yeah,
• 33:22
  yeah.
• 33:22
  It's
• 33:22
  my
• 33:23
  whole
• 33:23
  time.
• 33:23
  Favorite
• 33:23
  of
• 33:23
  yours.
• 33:24
  Yeah.
• 33:24
  That's
• 33:24
  when
• 33:25
  I
• 33:25
  talk
• 33:25
  about
• 33:25
  the
• 33:25
  view
• 33:26
  of
• 33:26
  totality,
• 33:27
  which
• 33:27
  mean
• 33:27
  the
• 33:28
  cause
• 33:28
  I
• 33:29
  am
• 33:29
  beyond
• 33:29
  views.
• 33:30
  I
• 33:30
  can
• 33:31
  have
• 33:31
  any
• 33:31
  view.
• 33:33
  That's
• 33:33
  awesome.
• 33:34
  Yeah.
• 33:35
  And
• 33:36
  I
• 33:36
  can
• 33:36
  have
• 33:36
  any
• 33:36
  view
• 33:37
  and
• 33:37
  let
• 33:37
  it
• 33:38
  go
• 33:38
  to
• 33:38
  another
• 33:38
  view.
• 33:39
  Or
• 33:39
  I
• 33:39
  can
• 33:40
  have
• 33:40
  two
• 33:40
  or
• 33:40
  three
• 33:40
  views
• 33:41
  at
• 33:41
  the
• 33:41
  same
• 33:41
  time.
• 33:43
  But
• 33:43
  you're
• 33:44
  guided
• 33:44
  in
• 33:44
  your.
• 33:45
  Your
• 33:45
  perspectives
• 33:46
  by
• 33:46
  essential
• 33:47
  compassion
• 33:47
  and
• 33:48
  love.
• 33:49
  If
• 33:49
  I'm
• 33:49
  not
• 33:50
  mistaken,
• 33:50
  all
• 33:50
  the
• 33:51
  views,
• 33:51
  all
• 33:51
  those
• 33:51
  views
• 33:52
  have
• 33:52
  compassion
• 33:53
  and
• 33:53
  love
• 33:53
  because
• 33:54
  they
• 33:54
  all
• 33:54
  come
• 33:55
  from
• 33:55
  our
• 33:56
  spiritual
• 33:56
  nature.
• 33:58
  Yeah.
• 33:58
  And
• 33:58
  that's
• 33:59
  such
• 33:59
  a
• 33:59
  beautiful
• 34:00
  point.
• 34:00
  Thank
• 34:00
  you
• 34:00
  for
• 34:00
  bringing
• 34:01
  that
• 34:01
  back
• 34:01
  in.
• 34:02
  John,
• 34:02
  you
• 34:02
  point
• 34:03
  Samid
• 34:04
  to
• 34:04
  so
• 34:04
  many
• 34:05
  perspectives
• 34:06
  and
• 34:06
  penetrating
• 34:07
  insights
• 34:08
  and
• 34:09
  the
• 34:09
  penetration
• 34:09
  of
• 34:10
  multiple
• 34:10
  dichotomies
• 34:11
  and
• 34:12
  multiple
• 34:12
  dimensions
• 34:14
  of
• 34:14
  true
• 34:14
  nature.
• 34:15
  But
• 34:16
  you
• 34:17
  point
• 34:17
  out
• 34:17
  that
• 34:18
  all
• 34:18
  these
• 34:18
  profound
• 34:20
  ways
• 34:20
  of
• 34:20
  being
• 34:21
  or
• 34:21
  aspects
• 34:21
  of
• 34:22
  true
• 34:22
  nature
• 34:24
  express
• 34:25
  themselves
• 34:25
  in
• 34:25
  love
• 34:26
  and
• 34:26
  compassion.
• 34:26
  And
• 34:27
  that
• 34:27
  just
• 34:27
  gives
• 34:28
  a
• 34:28
  whole
• 34:28
  different
• 34:28
  flavor
• 34:29
  to
• 34:30
  the
• 34:31
  picture.
• 34:32
  Yeah.
• 34:32
  That's
• 34:33
  why
• 34:33
  you
• 34:33
  see
• 34:34
  all
• 34:34
  spiritual
• 34:34
  teaching
• 34:36
  advocates
• 34:36
  love
• 34:37
  and
• 34:37
  compassion,
• 34:38
  you
• 34:38
  know,
• 34:39
  because
• 34:41
  it's
• 34:41
  inherent,
• 34:42
  our
• 34:42
  true
• 34:42
  nature,
• 34:43
  that
• 34:44
  there
• 34:44
  is
• 34:44
  a
• 34:44
  human
• 34:45
  being
• 34:45
  called
• 34:45
  heart.
• 34:47
  Heart,
• 34:48
  love,
• 34:48
  compassion,
• 34:49
  gratitude,
• 34:50
  thankfulness.
• 34:52
  Yeah.
• 34:54
  True
• 34:54
  nature
• 34:54
  in
• 34:55
  love
• 34:55
  with
• 34:55
  its
• 34:55
  manifestations.
• 34:56
  Beautiful.
• 34:57
  Yeah.
• 34:57
  And
• 34:57
  that's
• 34:57
  why
• 34:58
  we
• 34:58
  talk
• 34:58
  about
• 34:58
  love
• 34:59
  as
• 34:59
  one
• 34:59
  of
• 34:59
  the
• 34:59
  dimensions.
• 35:00
  Remember,
• 35:00
  one
• 35:01
  of
• 35:01
  the
• 35:02
  non
• 35:02
  dual
• 35:02
  dimension
• 35:03
  is
• 35:03
  pure
• 35:03
  love.
• 35:05
  Pure
• 35:07
  love,
• 35:07
  Everything
• 35:07
  is
• 35:08
  love.
• 35:09
  It's
• 35:09
  non
• 35:09
  dual,
• 35:10
  no
• 35:10
  separation,
• 35:11
  all
• 35:11
  that.
• 35:12
  That's
• 35:12
  when
• 35:12
  the
• 35:13
  first
• 35:13
  one
• 35:13
  we
• 35:13
  talked
• 35:14
  about.
• 35:14
  And
• 35:15
  that
• 35:15
  brings
• 35:16
  in
• 35:16
  the
• 35:17
  sense
• 35:17
  of
• 35:17
  trust,
• 35:18
  the
• 35:18
  sense
• 35:18
  that
• 35:18
  everything
• 35:19
  is
• 35:19
  okay.
• 35:20
  The
• 35:20
  goodness
• 35:21
  of
• 35:21
  reality,
• 35:22
  which
• 35:22
  of
• 35:22
  course
• 35:23
  is
• 35:23
  hidden
• 35:23
  for
• 35:23
  most
• 35:24
  people.
• 35:24
  They
• 35:24
  don't
• 35:24
  see
• 35:25
  that.
• 35:26
  Yeah.
• 35:27
  I
• 35:27
  think
• 35:27
  in
• 35:27
  the
• 35:27
  Bible
• 35:28
  it
• 35:28
  says
• 35:28
  that
• 35:28
  perfect
• 35:28
  love
• 35:29
  casteth
• 35:29
  out
• 35:29
  fear.
• 35:31
  Perfect
• 35:32
  love
• 35:32
  leaves
• 35:32
  no
• 35:33
  room
• 35:33
  for
• 35:33
  fear.
• 35:34
  You're
• 35:35
  right.
• 35:35
  That's
• 35:36
  what
• 35:36
  happens.
• 35:36
  Yes.
• 35:38
  I
• 35:38
  was
• 35:38
  listening
• 35:39
  to
• 35:39
  somebody
• 35:39
  last
• 35:40
  night,
• 35:41
  McGillicrist,
• 35:42
  I
• 35:42
  think
• 35:42
  his
• 35:43
  name
• 35:43
  is.
• 35:43
  Yes.
• 35:45
  And
• 35:45
  he
• 35:45
  was
• 35:45
  saying,
• 35:46
  mentioning
• 35:47
  about
• 35:47
  the
• 35:47
  basic
• 35:48
  teaching
• 35:48
  of
• 35:48
  Jesus
• 35:49
  is
• 35:50
  love,
• 35:50
  God
• 35:50
  and
• 35:51
  love
• 35:51
  thy
• 35:51
  neighbor.
• 35:54
  It's
• 35:54
  not
• 35:54
  ten
• 35:55
  commandments.
• 35:55
  It's
• 35:55
  just
• 35:56
  two.
• 35:57
  Love
• 35:57
  God
• 35:57
  and
• 35:58
  love
• 35:58
  thy
• 35:58
  neighbor.
• 36:00
  Beautiful.
• 36:01
  Amit,
• 36:03
  I
• 36:03
  want
• 36:03
  to
• 36:03
  ask
• 36:04
  if
• 36:04
  there's
• 36:04
  anything
• 36:04
  I'd
• 36:04
  like
• 36:05
  to
• 36:05
  add,
• 36:05
  but
• 36:05
  I
• 36:05
  would
• 36:05
  want
• 36:06
  to
• 36:06
  just
• 36:06
  insert.
• 36:06
  Before
• 36:07
  you
• 36:07
  do
• 36:07
  that,
• 36:08
  I
• 36:08
  notice
• 36:08
  I'm
• 36:09
  feeling
• 36:09
  especially
• 36:10
  nourished
• 36:11
  by
• 36:11
  this
• 36:12
  dialogue
• 36:13
  and
• 36:14
  a
• 36:14
  combination
• 36:15
  of
• 36:15
  incredibly
• 36:16
  stimulated
• 36:17
  and
• 36:17
  intrigued,
• 36:18
  but
• 36:18
  also
• 36:19
  very
• 36:19
  full
• 36:20
  and
• 36:20
  nourished
• 36:20
  by
• 36:21
  it.
• 36:21
  So
• 36:21
  thank
• 36:22
  you
• 36:22
  deeply.
• 36:22
  Yeah.
• 36:23
  Anything
• 36:24
  you'd
• 36:24
  like
• 36:24
  to
• 36:24
  add?
• 36:26
  Well,
• 36:26
  it's
• 36:27
  a
• 36:27
  question
• 36:30
  who's
• 36:31
  nourished?
• 36:33
  Well,
• 36:34
  nourishment
• 36:34
  is
• 36:35
  enjoying
• 36:35
  itself.
• 36:36
  Yeah.
• 36:37
  Okay,
• 36:37
  good.
• 36:37
  Because
• 36:38
  we
• 36:38
  could
• 36:38
  get
• 36:39
  into
• 36:39
  when
• 36:39
  we.
• 36:40
  I
• 36:40
  mean,
• 36:40
  language
• 36:41
  is
• 36:41
  very
• 36:41
  tricky
• 36:42
  that
• 36:42
  way.
• 36:43
  Somebody
• 36:43
  can
• 36:43
  be
• 36:44
  in
• 36:44
  a
• 36:45
  non
• 36:45
  dual
• 36:45
  thing.
• 36:45
  And
• 36:46
  they
• 36:46
  said
• 36:46
  I
• 36:46
  feel
• 36:47
  this
• 36:47
  and
• 36:47
  that
• 36:48
  and
• 36:48
  that.
• 36:49
  But
• 36:49
  using
• 36:50
  the
• 36:50
  word
• 36:50
  I
• 36:50
  feel
• 36:51
  can
• 36:52
  bring
• 36:52
  in
• 36:52
  the
• 36:53
  mind
• 36:53
  a
• 36:53
  sense
• 36:53
  of
• 36:53
  being
• 36:54
  an
• 36:54
  individual
• 36:55
  and
• 36:55
  all
• 36:55
  the
• 36:55
  way
• 36:56
  to
• 36:56
  a
• 36:56
  separate
• 36:56
  individual.
• 36:58
  But
• 36:58
  what
• 36:58
  do
• 36:58
  you
• 36:59
  mean
• 36:59
  really
• 36:59
  just
• 36:59
  pure
• 37:00
  being.
• 37:01
  Yeah.
• 37:01
  Yeah.
• 37:02
  And
• 37:02
  there
• 37:02
  was
• 37:02
  a
• 37:02
  period
• 37:03
  of
• 37:03
  time
• 37:03
  when
• 37:03
  it
• 37:04
  felt
• 37:04
  appropriate
• 37:04
  not
• 37:05
  to
• 37:05
  use
• 37:05
  personal
• 37:06
  pronouns
• 37:06
  just
• 37:06
  to.
• 37:07
  Right?
• 37:07
  Yes.
• 37:09
  And
• 37:09
  yes,
• 37:12
  it
• 37:12
  is
• 37:13
  very
• 37:13
  tricky.
• 37:13
  And
• 37:14
  simply
• 37:15
  using
• 37:15
  those
• 37:16
  pronouns
• 37:16
  for
• 37:17
  me
• 37:17
  anyway
• 37:18
  tends
• 37:18
  to
• 37:18
  cohere.
• 37:19
  And
• 37:20
  one
• 37:20
  other
• 37:20
  thing
• 37:20
  I
• 37:21
  noticed
• 37:21
  that
• 37:22
  you've
• 37:22
  talked
• 37:22
  about
• 37:23
  transcending
• 37:24
  the
• 37:24
  separate
• 37:24
  self
• 37:24
  sense
• 37:25
  in
• 37:25
  many
• 37:25
  ways.
• 37:25
  And
• 37:27
  for
• 37:27
  myself
• 37:28
  there
• 37:28
  was
• 37:28
  this
• 37:29
  when
• 37:29
  there
• 37:29
  were
• 37:30
  initial
• 37:30
  recognitions
• 37:31
  of
• 37:31
  that
• 37:32
  and
• 37:32
  seeing
• 37:32
  through
• 37:32
  it,
• 37:32
  of
• 37:33
  feeling
• 37:33
  like,
• 37:33
  oh,
• 37:34
  that's
• 37:34
  done.
• 37:35
  But
• 37:35
  of
• 37:35
  course
• 37:35
  it
• 37:35
  just
• 37:36
  less
• 37:36
  subtle
• 37:37
  and
• 37:37
  subtle
• 37:38
  layers
• 37:38
  of
• 37:38
  selfing
• 37:39
  that
• 37:40
  just
• 37:40
  continue.
• 37:41
  Yeah.
• 37:42
  Just
• 37:42
  remind
• 37:42
  me
• 37:43
  one
• 37:44
  time
• 37:44
  I
• 37:44
  was
• 37:45
  watching
• 37:45
  an
• 37:46
  interview
• 37:47
  of
• 37:48
  the
• 37:48
  16th
• 37:48
  Karmapa.
• 37:51
  One
• 37:51
  of
• 37:51
  the
• 37:52
  channels
• 37:52
  was
• 37:52
  interviewed.
• 37:53
  We
• 37:53
  had
• 37:53
  an
• 37:54
  interview.
• 37:54
  He
• 37:54
  was
• 37:54
  there
• 37:55
  and
• 37:55
  a
• 37:55
  few
• 37:56
  his
• 37:56
  students
• 37:56
  were
• 37:56
  there
• 37:58
  and
• 37:58
  before
• 37:58
  he
• 37:59
  died
• 38:00
  and
• 38:00
  they
• 38:00
  were
• 38:00
  asking
• 38:01
  him
• 38:01
  some
• 38:01
  question
• 38:02
  and
• 38:02
  I
• 38:03
  noticed
• 38:03
  something.
• 38:03
  I
• 38:03
  don't
• 38:04
  know
• 38:04
  if
• 38:04
  the
• 38:04
  other
• 38:04
  people
• 38:04
  noticed
• 38:05
  this.
• 38:05
  When
• 38:06
  they
• 38:06
  ask
• 38:06
  him
• 38:06
  about
• 38:06
  the
• 38:07
  teaching,
• 38:07
  he
• 38:07
  would
• 38:07
  respond.
• 38:09
  When
• 38:09
  they
• 38:09
  ask
• 38:09
  him
• 38:10
  something
• 38:10
  about
• 38:10
  himself,
• 38:11
  his
• 38:11
  life,
• 38:11
  he
• 38:11
  wouldn't
• 38:12
  respond.
• 38:12
  He'll
• 38:12
  have
• 38:13
  one
• 38:13
  of
• 38:13
  his
• 38:13
  students
• 38:13
  respond.
• 38:16
  He
• 38:16
  wouldn't
• 38:16
  talk
• 38:17
  about
• 38:17
  himself.
• 38:19
  Even
• 38:19
  the
• 38:19
  Karmava
• 38:20
  was
• 38:20
  careful
• 38:21
  not
• 38:22
  to
• 38:22
  personalize
• 38:23
  it,
• 38:24
  you
• 38:24
  see.
• 38:26
  But
• 38:26
  personalizing
• 38:27
  it
• 38:27
  is
• 38:27
  okay,
• 38:28
  right,
• 38:28
  Hameed?
• 38:29
  It's
• 38:29
  okay
• 38:29
  to
• 38:29
  be
• 38:29
  personal.
• 38:31
  That's.
• 38:34
  It's
• 38:35
  okay.
• 38:35
  But
• 38:36
  you
• 38:36
  know,
• 38:37
  it's
• 38:37
  tricky.
• 38:38
  It
• 38:38
  could
• 38:38
  trap
• 38:39
  us
• 38:39
  into
• 38:39
  the
• 38:40
  person
• 38:41
  for
• 38:41
  a
• 38:42
  certain
• 38:42
  period.
• 38:42
  But
• 38:43
  that
• 38:43
  shows
• 38:43
  you
• 38:43
  somebody
• 38:44
  realized
• 38:44
  that
• 38:45
  highly
• 38:46
  is
• 38:46
  still
• 38:48
  being,
• 38:49
  you
• 38:49
  know,
• 38:49
  somewhat
• 38:50
  careful.
• 38:50
  You
• 38:50
  know,
• 38:51
  he
• 38:52
  doesn't.
• 38:52
  Basically
• 38:53
  he.
• 38:55
  For
• 38:55
  him,
• 38:55
  there
• 38:56
  isn't
• 38:56
  an
• 38:56
  individual
• 38:57
  with
• 38:57
  a
• 38:57
  history
• 38:59
  ask
• 38:59
  about
• 39:00
  history.
• 39:00
  Well,
• 39:01
  I
• 39:01
  talk
• 39:01
  to
• 39:02
  them.
• 39:03
  They
• 39:04
  know
• 39:04
  about
• 39:04
  President.
• 39:05
  I
• 39:05
  am
• 39:05
  just
• 39:06
  pure
• 39:06
  awareness.
• 39:11
  On
• 39:11
  me
• 39:11
  this
• 39:11
  has
• 39:12
  been.
• 39:12
  I
• 39:13
  don't
• 39:13
  know
• 39:13
  if
• 39:13
  it's
• 39:13
  one
• 39:13
  of
• 39:13
  our
• 39:14
  best
• 39:14
  conversations.
• 39:14
  Always
• 39:15
  Think
• 39:15
  that
• 39:15
  every
• 39:15
  time
• 39:15
  we
• 39:16
  talk,
• 39:16
  but
• 39:16
  it's
• 39:16
  been
• 39:17
  a
• 39:17
  real
• 39:17
  feast.
• 39:18
  Yeah.
• 39:19
  Hopefully
• 39:19
  he
• 39:20
  is
• 39:20
  the
• 39:20
  burst
• 39:21
  the
• 39:21
  mind.
• 39:23
  Yes.
• 39:23
  And
• 39:23
  make
• 39:24
  many
• 39:24
  bubbles
• 39:25
  and.
• 39:26
  And
• 39:26
  there
• 39:26
  are
• 39:27
  also
• 39:28
  ecstatic
• 39:28
  bubbles,
• 39:29
  you
• 39:29
  know.
• 39:30
  Yes.
• 39:31
  That's
• 39:31
  the
• 39:31
  way
• 39:31
  it
• 39:31
  feels.
• 39:32
  Yes.
• 39:32
  Thanks
• 39:33
  so
• 39:33
  much.
• 39:34
  Deeply
• 39:34
  appreciate
• 39:34
  it.
• 39:35
  Enjoyment
• 39:36
  is
• 39:36
  happening.
• 39:38
  It
• 39:38
  is
• 39:39
  in
• 39:40
  this
• 39:40
  field
• 39:40
  that
• 39:41
  is
• 39:41
  appearing
• 39:42
  in
• 39:42
  pure
• 39:43
  awareness.
• 39:44
  Yep.
• 39:46
  That's
• 39:47
  how
• 39:47
  you
• 39:47
  talk
• 39:47
  when
• 39:48
  you
• 39:48
  don't
• 39:48
  want
• 39:48
  to
• 39:48
  use
• 39:48
  I.
• 39:50
  Yes.
• 39:50
  It's
• 39:51
  a
• 39:51
  challenge
• 39:51
  is
• 39:52
  occurring
• 39:53
  in
• 39:53
  this
• 39:53
  field
• 39:53
  of
• 39:54
  pure
• 39:54
  awareness.
• 39:55
  Yeah.
• 39:57
  And
• 39:57
  gratitude
• 39:58
  for
• 39:58
  Hameed
• 39:59
  is
• 39:59
  arising.
• 40:01
  The
• 40:01
  gratitude
• 40:01
  is
• 40:02
  felt.
• 40:03
  Yeah.
• 40:04
  And
• 40:04
  gratitude
• 40:05
  for
• 40:05
  all
• 40:05
  of
• 40:05
  you
• 40:05
  who
• 40:05
  are
• 40:06
  partaking
• 40:06
  with
• 40:06
  this,
• 40:07
  with
• 40:07
  us
• 40:07
  knowledge.
• 40:08
  Yeah.
• 40:09
  This
• 40:09
  was
• 40:09
  a
• 40:09
  lot
• 40:10
  of
• 40:10
  fun.
• 40:11
  A
• 40:11
  lot
• 40:11
  of
• 40:11
  fun.
• 40:12
  Yeah.
• 40:12
  A
• 40:12
  lot
• 40:13
  of
• 40:13
  fun.
• 40:14
  There's
• 40:14
  agreement
• 40:15
  about
• 40:15
  that.
• 40:16
  I
• 40:16
  know
• 40:16
  you're
• 40:16
  interviewing
• 40:17
  all
• 40:17
  kind
• 40:17
  of
• 40:17
  interesting
• 40:18
  people.
• 40:19
  You
• 40:19
  have
• 40:20
  life
• 40:20
  that's
• 40:21
  full
• 40:21
  of
• 40:21
  interesting
• 40:22
  things.
• 40:22
  You
• 40:22
  know,
• 40:23
  it's
• 40:23
  enormous
• 40:24
  privilege.
• 40:24
  I
• 40:25
  mean,
• 40:25
  enormous
• 40:25
  privilege.
• 40:26
  We
• 40:26
  just
• 40:26
  released
• 40:27
  a
• 40:28
  dialogue
• 40:28
  with
• 40:29
  Frank
• 40:29
  Ostaseski
• 40:30
  about
• 40:30
  death.
• 40:30
  And
• 40:30
  I
• 40:31
  saw
• 40:31
  that.
• 40:31
  I
• 40:31
  know
• 40:32
  Frank
• 40:32
  very
• 40:32
  well.
• 40:33
  Awesome
• 40:34
  being.
• 40:35
  He's
• 40:35
  done
• 40:36
  a
• 40:36
  lot
• 40:36
  of
• 40:36
  good
• 40:36
  for
• 40:37
  humanity.
• 40:37
  He
• 40:38
  is.
• 40:38
  There
• 40:39
  have
• 40:39
  been
• 40:39
  so
• 40:39
  many
• 40:40
  expressions
• 40:40
  pouring
• 40:41
  in
• 40:41
  of
• 40:41
  people
• 40:41
  saying.
• 40:42
  Literally,
• 40:42
  I
• 40:43
  cried
• 40:43
  listening
• 40:44
  to
• 40:44
  this.
• 40:44
  In
• 40:44
  fact,
• 40:45
  I
• 40:45
  got
• 40:45
  a
• 40:45
  call
• 40:45
  this
• 40:45
  morning
• 40:46
  just
• 40:46
  before
• 40:46
  we
• 40:47
  started
• 40:47
  talking
• 40:48
  from
• 40:48
  a
• 40:48
  friend
• 40:48
  who
• 40:49
  was
• 40:49
  saying
• 40:49
  she'd
• 40:49
  been
• 40:50
  crying.
• 40:51
  Not
• 40:52
  just,
• 40:52
  you
• 40:52
  know,
• 40:52
  Frank's
• 40:53
  work
• 40:53
  is
• 40:53
  real
• 40:54
  expression
• 40:54
  of
• 40:55
  compassion.
• 40:56
  Yes.
• 40:57
  It's
• 40:58
  concrete,
• 40:58
  manifest,
• 40:59
  useful
• 41:00
  compassion.
• 41:00
  That's
• 41:01
  that.
• 41:01
  Real
• 41:01
  bodhisattva.
• 41:02
  Yeah.
• 41:03
  And
• 41:03
  last
• 41:04
  week,
• 41:04
  we
• 41:05
  dialogued
• 41:05
  with
• 41:06
  Jerry
• 41:06
  Brown,
• 41:06
  which
• 41:07
  was
• 41:07
  a
• 41:07
  lot
• 41:07
  of
• 41:07
  fun.
• 41:08
  Oh,
• 41:08
  Jerry
• 41:08
  talked
• 41:09
  to
• 41:09
  Jerry
• 41:09
  Brown.
• 41:09
  That's
• 41:10
  a
• 41:10
  politician.
• 41:11
  Yeah.
• 41:12
  He
• 41:12
  has.
• 41:12
  I
• 41:13
  know,
• 41:14
  spiritual
• 41:15
  orientation,
• 41:15
  you
• 41:16
  know.
• 41:16
  Oh,
• 41:16
  yes.
• 41:16
  Yeah.
• 41:17
  We
• 41:17
  met
• 41:18
  because
• 41:18
  we
• 41:18
  went
• 41:18
  to
• 41:18
  work
• 41:19
  at
• 41:19
  Mother
• 41:19
  Teresa's
• 41:20
  center
• 41:20
  together.
• 41:21
  I
• 41:21
  see.
• 41:21
  Yeah.
• 41:22
  Yeah.
• 41:23
  He's
• 41:23
  great.
• 41:24
  He's
• 41:25
  87
• 41:26
  and
• 41:27
  still
• 41:27
  a
• 41:27
  ball
• 41:28
  of
• 41:28
  energy.
• 41:28
  And
• 41:28
  he
• 41:28
  said,
• 41:29
  you
• 41:29
  know,
• 41:29
  I
• 41:29
  still.
• 41:30
  I
• 41:30
  wake
• 41:30
  up
• 41:30
  every
• 41:30
  day
• 41:31
  just
• 41:31
  feeling
• 41:31
  enthusiastic
• 41:32
  about
• 41:32
  what's
• 41:33
  going
• 41:33
  to
• 41:33
  happen.
• 41:34
  I'll
• 41:34
  vote
• 41:34
  for
• 41:35
  him
• 41:35
  if
• 41:35
  he
• 41:35
  runs.
• 41:37
  Really?
• 41:38
  Won't
• 41:38
  we
• 41:38
  all?
• 41:39
  Yeah,
• 41:41
  I
• 41:41
  am.
• 41:41
  I
• 41:41
  remember,
• 41:42
  you
• 41:42
  know,
• 41:42
  a
• 41:43
  few
• 41:43
  years
• 41:43
  ago,
• 41:44
  before
• 41:44
  Biden
• 41:45
  was
• 41:45
  going
• 41:45
  to
• 41:45
  run.
• 41:46
  There's
• 41:46
  a
• 41:46
  question,
• 41:46
  who
• 41:47
  will
• 41:47
  run?
• 41:48
  And
• 41:48
  I
• 41:48
  knew
• 41:49
  somebody
• 41:49
  who
• 41:49
  sort
• 41:50
  of
• 41:50
  close
• 41:50
  friend
• 41:51
  of
• 41:51
  his.
• 41:51
  I
• 41:51
  said,
• 41:52
  why
• 41:52
  don't
• 41:52
  you
• 41:52
  tell
• 41:52
  him
• 41:52
  to
• 41:53
  run?
• 41:54
  Many
• 41:55
  will
• 41:55
  vote
• 41:55
  for
• 41:55
  him.
• 41:56
  He
• 41:56
  said,
• 41:57
  well,
• 41:57
  he
• 41:57
  decided
• 41:58
  he's
• 41:58
  too
• 41:58
  old.
• 41:59
  I
• 41:59
  said,
• 41:59
  well,
• 42:00
  he
• 42:00
  tried
• 42:01
  three
• 42:01
  times
• 42:01
  to
• 42:02
  be
• 42:02
  president.
• 42:02
  Ran
• 42:02
  for
• 42:02
  president
• 42:03
  three
• 42:03
  times.
• 42:04
  Yeah.
• 42:04
  In
• 42:05
  that
• 42:05
  time,
• 42:05
  he
• 42:05
  could
• 42:06
  have
• 42:06
  won.
• 42:06
  At
• 42:06
  that
• 42:07
  time.
• 42:07
  Well,
• 42:08
  he
• 42:08
  demanded
• 42:09
  into
• 42:09
  it.
• 42:11
  Well,
• 42:12
  he
• 42:12
  certainly
• 42:12
  served
• 42:13
  one
• 42:13
  of
• 42:13
  two
• 42:14
  well.
• 42:14
  Really?
• 42:15
  When
• 42:16
  studying
• 42:16
  his
• 42:17
  biography,
• 42:17
  it
• 42:17
  was
• 42:18
  clear
• 42:18
  he
• 42:18
  was
• 42:18
  just
• 42:19
  one
• 42:19
  of
• 42:19
  the
• 42:19
  great
• 42:19
  Great
• 42:19
  political
• 42:20
  figures
• 42:21
  of
• 42:21
  American
• 42:22
  history
• 42:22
  with
• 42:23
  his
• 42:23
  all
• 42:23
  he
• 42:23
  did
• 42:24
  four
• 42:24
  times
• 42:25
  governor
• 42:25
  of
• 42:26
  California,
• 42:27
  initiating
• 42:28
  recyclable
• 42:29
  this
• 42:30
  and
• 42:30
  that
• 42:30
  way
• 42:31
  before
• 42:31
  his
• 42:31
  time.
• 42:31
  I
• 42:32
  mean,
• 42:32
  he
• 42:32
  just
• 42:32
  was
• 42:32
  a
• 42:32
  pioneer.
• 42:33
  He's
• 42:33
  deeply
• 42:34
  involved
• 42:34
  in
• 42:35
  the.
• 42:38
  Deep
• 42:39
  spiritual
• 42:39
  orientation,
• 42:40
  which
• 42:41
  is
• 42:41
  really
• 42:41
  nice
• 42:41
  to
• 42:42
  have
• 42:43
  a
• 42:43
  political
• 42:44
  figure
• 42:44
  with
• 42:44
  a
• 42:44
  spiritual,
• 42:45
  you
• 42:46
  know,
• 42:46
  insight.
• 42:46
  Boy,
• 42:47
  ain't
• 42:47
  that
• 42:48
  the
• 42:48
  truth.
• 42:48
  Yeah,
• 42:49
  that's
• 42:50
  rare
• 42:50
  usually,
• 42:50
  you
• 42:51
  know.
• 42:51
  Yeah.
• 42:53
  I
• 42:54
  think
• 42:54
  I
• 42:54
  came
• 42:54
  away
• 42:54
  from
• 42:55
  our
• 42:55
  dialogue
• 42:56
  feeling
• 42:56
  like,
• 42:56
  Yep,
• 42:56
  this
• 42:57
  is
• 42:57
  pretty
• 42:57
  close
• 42:57
  to
• 42:58
  the
• 42:58
  philosopher
• 42:58
  sage.
• 42:59
  Yeah,
• 43:01
  you're
• 43:01
  right.
• 43:01
  I
• 43:01
  agree
• 43:02
  with
• 43:02
  you.
• 43:02
  Yeah.
• 43:03
  And
• 43:03
  I
• 43:03
  liked
• 43:03
  him.
• 43:05
  Yeah,
• 43:05
  yeah.
• 43:06
  Of
• 43:06
  course.
• 43:06
  He's
• 43:06
  likable,
• 43:07
  and
• 43:08
  that's
• 43:08
  why
• 43:08
  I
• 43:08
  wish
• 43:08
  he
• 43:08
  was
• 43:09
  president
• 43:09
  for
• 43:09
  a
• 43:09
  while.
• 43:11
  Really?
• 43:12
  Yeah.
• 43:12
  World
• 43:13
  would
• 43:13
  be
• 43:13
  very
• 43:13
  different.
• 43:14
  Yeah,
• 43:16
  yeah.
• 43:17
  It's
• 43:17
  been
• 43:17
  a
• 43:18
  privilege.
• 43:18
  Definitely
• 43:19
  a
• 43:19
  privilege.
• 43:20
  It
• 43:20
  is.
• 43:21
  Yeah.
• 43:21
  Yeah,
• 43:22
  yeah.
• 43:22
  Okay,
• 43:23
  take
• 43:23
  care.
• 43:24
  All
• 43:25
  your
• 43:25
  interviews.
• 43:27
  Thanks
• 43:27
  so
• 43:27
  much.
• 43:28
  Thank
• 43:28
  you.
• 43:28
  Hobby.
• 43:29
  Okay,
• 43:31
  Take
• 43:31
  care.
• 43:32
  Thank
• 43:32
  you
• 43:32
  very
• 43:33
  much
• 43:33
  for
• 43:33
  being
• 43:34
  a
• 43:34
  part
• 43:34
  of
• 43:34
  this
• 43:34
  conversation.
• 43:35
  We
• 43:35
  hope
• 43:36
  that.
• 43:36
  That
• 43:36
  you
• 43:36
  were
• 43:36
  moved,
• 43:37
  as
• 43:37
  we
• 43:37
  are
• 43:37
  moved,
• 43:38
  being
• 43:38
  part
• 43:38
  of
• 43:38
  it
• 43:39
  ourselves.
• 43:39
  We'd
• 43:40
  also
• 43:40
  like
• 43:40
  to
• 43:40
  say
• 43:41
  that
• 43:41
  this
• 43:41
  is
• 43:41
  being
• 43:42
  funded
• 43:42
  by
• 43:42
  Roger
• 43:43
  and
• 43:43
  myself.
• 43:43
  It
• 43:43
  comes
• 43:43
  out
• 43:44
  of
• 43:44
  our
• 43:44
  pockets.
• 43:44
  So
• 43:45
  if
• 43:45
  you
• 43:45
  would
• 43:45
  like
• 43:45
  to
• 43:45
  help
• 43:46
  us
• 43:46
  to.
• 43:47
  Mainly
• 43:47
  to
• 43:47
  get
• 43:47
  this
• 43:48
  podcast
• 43:48
  out
• 43:48
  to
• 43:48
  more
• 43:49
  people
• 43:49
  because
• 43:49
  the
• 43:50
  bigger
• 43:50
  audience
• 43:50
  have.
• 43:50
  Which
• 43:51
  is
• 43:51
  steadily
• 43:51
  growing,
• 43:51
  but
• 43:52
  the
• 43:52
  more
• 43:52
  people
• 43:52
  we
• 43:53
  can
• 43:53
  reach
• 43:53
  and
• 43:53
  the
• 43:53
  more
• 43:53
  marketing
• 43:54
  we
• 43:54
  can
• 43:54
  do,
• 43:54
  the
• 43:55
  more
• 43:55
  positive
• 43:55
  effect
• 43:56
  we
• 43:56
  can
• 43:56
  have
• 43:56
  on
• 43:56
  the
• 43:57
  world.
• 43:57
  So
• 43:57
  we've
• 43:57
  done
• 43:58
  a
• 43:58
  couple
• 43:58
  of
• 43:58
  ways,
• 43:58
  but
• 43:59
  we'd
• 43:59
  like
• 43:59
  you
• 43:59
  to
• 43:59
  buy
• 44:00
  us
• 44:00
  a
• 44:00
  cup
• 44:00
  of
• 44:00
  coffee.
• 44:01
  Very
• 44:01
  simple.
• 44:01
  And
• 44:01
  I
• 44:01
  do
• 44:01
  that
• 44:01
  with
• 44:01
  podcasts
• 44:01
  that
• 44:01
  I
• 44:01
  support,
• 44:01
  and
• 44:01
  I
• 44:01
  find
• 44:01
  it
• 44:01
  very
• 44:01
  satisfying.
• 44:01
  So
• 44:01
  thank
• 44:01
  you
• 44:01
  for
• 44:01
  your
• 44:01
  help,
• 44:01
  thank
• 44:01
  you
• 44:01
  for
• 44:01
  your
• 44:01
  presence
• 44:01
  and
• 44:01
  thank
• 44:01
  you
• 44:01
  for
• 44:01
  all
• 44:01
  you
• 44:01
  are
• 44:01
  and
• 44:01
  all
• 44:01
  you
• 44:01
  do.
• 44:01
  We
• 44:01
  love
• 44:01
  you.