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302: Sister Wives Recap - You Are Toxic To Me (S20 E14) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: before we go into our recap, Beatrice, what's your takeaway
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  Speaker 1: after this episode?
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  Speaker 2: God, I'm living for this era of Mary just calling
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  Speaker 2: Cody out on his bs and shutting him down. Like
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  Speaker 2: I loved this. I also thought it was equally frustrating
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  Speaker 2: to watch two Capricorns talk to each other and have
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  Speaker 2: one of a be like this malignant narcissist who's just crazy,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have Mary Brown like it was just wild.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I My takeaway is I didn't really I did appreciate
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  Speaker 1: Mary's energy, and I think she came into the interaction
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  Speaker 1: with the right intention and I think she did really
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  Speaker 1: well with like a such a slimy narc as Cody,
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  Speaker 1: But like the amount of times he cut her off
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  Speaker 1: right before she was gonna say the thing that she
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  Speaker 1: really needed to say. It was just like absolutely making
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  Speaker 1: me crazy and fury. I wish she would have just
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  Speaker 1: talked over him. And you can really tell that it
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  Speaker 1: is a long history of him just steamrolling her. Now,
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  Speaker 1: that's not to say she wasn't a hard person to
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  Speaker 1: live with or that she didn't participate in the toxicity,
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  Speaker 1: but like in this snapshot of a conversation, you can
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  Speaker 1: see how he doesn't give a crap about her, not
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  Speaker 1: at all. Doesn't want to hear anything from her.
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  Speaker 2: Oh one thing, getting so obsessed, so frustrating, but juicy though,
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  Speaker 2: very much juicy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So let's get into it without any further adew
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  Speaker 1: the recap of Sister Wives season twenty, episode fourteen fourteen
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  Speaker 1: or fifteen. I think it's fourteen fifteen, and told you
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  Speaker 1: are toxic to me, right, I need an acknowledgment to yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, apologize for being toxic to me, Cody Brown, I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, my god, I guess if that's what you need
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  Speaker 1: to hear to heal from me, I'll apologize. So everything
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  Speaker 1: was so passive, aggressive, so.
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  Speaker 2: Bad, so mullignant. So the bulk of this episode was
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  Speaker 2: Cody's fake ass apology to Mary. But then we had
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  Speaker 2: a couple other sections that were kind of brief. We'll
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  Speaker 2: start with that will end with Mary's apology. Because there
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  Speaker 2: was so much in there. But we had Janelle out
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  Speaker 2: in North Carolina. She's gardening with Maddie and she's talking
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  Speaker 2: to her about going through with the spiritual release, and
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  Speaker 2: Maddie's like, why, what's the point of doing that? And Janelle,
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  Speaker 2: like she said last week, was she wants to completely
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  Speaker 2: nullify the marriage. She was married to Cody for thirty years,
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  Speaker 2: even though it was in spirit and not legally, she
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  Speaker 2: still feels like she needs to do this to fully
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  Speaker 2: cut all ties with Cody. And you know, if she's right,
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  Speaker 2: and the Mormon God is the god of all of
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  Speaker 2: us and she has to be stuck on a planet,
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  Speaker 2: she don't want to be stuck on a planet with
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  Speaker 2: Cody Brown. So she's going to go through with it.
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  Speaker 2: But what did you think about this conversation with Janelle
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  Speaker 2: and Maddie.
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  Speaker 1: I could understand Janelle's perspective, and I think she says
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  Speaker 1: something like I authentically and intentionally entered into a sacred
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  Speaker 1: covenant of marriage. Like I took that very seriously, and
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  Speaker 1: even though I'm not active in the church right now,
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  Speaker 1: I still think it's important. Yeah, I want to do
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  Speaker 1: everything that I possibly can to sever all ties known
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  Speaker 1: or unknown in this life or the afterlife, like, whatever
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  Speaker 1: I gotta do, I want to do it. And I
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  Speaker 1: can respect and appreciate that because she did spend like
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  Speaker 1: thirty years with that man. Yeah, she wants a little
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  Speaker 1: ceremony around the severing of that connection. But I can
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  Speaker 1: also appreciate Maddie's perspective. She's like, I don't want my
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  Speaker 1: mom to have to go back into the space of
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  Speaker 1: that polygamy, like sitting down in front of like a
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  Speaker 1: council of old white men who are going to decide
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  Speaker 1: whether you can split from your husband. Like that's misogynistic,
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  Speaker 1: that's patriarchal, that's incredibly toxic. So I can understand why
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  Speaker 1: Madison wouldn't want that, But this is about you, Nol. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it's her decision and I respect it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I respect it too. I also thought it was
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  Speaker 2: interesting that Maddie claimed polygamy was toxic. I mean, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: like we've been saying this for a while, but it
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  Speaker 2: was just interesting to hear it from one of the
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  Speaker 2: og older kids, because if you look back and the
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  Speaker 2: Rolodexes and go back into the rewinds and everything, like
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  Speaker 2: they were so positive about polygamy and thought it was
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  Speaker 2: great like, even though a lot of the older kids
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to live it for themselves, I mean, who would,
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  Speaker 2: they still championed polygamy and thought that it was good
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  Speaker 2: because they had like a pretty decent upbringing with all
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  Speaker 2: of their parents and everything. So I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: interesting and cool that now Maddie as an adult is like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: polygamy's toxic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think when she was in it, when they
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  Speaker 1: were all in it, they thought, oh, we're a big,
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  Speaker 1: happy family. But once they were out of it and
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  Speaker 1: when they got to watch the show back, I think
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  Speaker 1: they saw it for what it really is. Did you notice,
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  Speaker 1: perchance when Maddie referred to him as Cody? Yeah, she's a.
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  Speaker 2: Couple of times, so I'm like, ooh, yikes. But she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have a relationship with him, So why would she
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  Speaker 2: call him dad if he doesn't act like her dad
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  Speaker 2: and he doesn't even know a couple I think he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know two of her kids, right, just got four.
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  Speaker 2: He hasn't met two of them.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that.
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  Speaker 2: I think's like the younger ones. So yeah, Cody, yeah dad.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think about Janelle talking about Cody being
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  Speaker 2: aware of the spiritual release and how Cody's like, will yad,
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  Speaker 2: I mean whatever, if you want to get it whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So that was interesting. I wanted to ask you and
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  Speaker 1: everybody else as well, like do we believe him when
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  Speaker 1: he says that he tried to get a spiritual release? No,
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  Speaker 1: because I believe you would have said something about that
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  Speaker 1: in the previous I don't know, however, many seasons just
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  Speaker 1: to be super vindictive. If he actually did that, it
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  Speaker 1: just felt to me like he was lying. I think
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  Speaker 1: he absolutely was aware that Janelle was going for that
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  Speaker 1: spiritual release. Yeah, I think deep down that probably hurts
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  Speaker 1: him on some level. But he's going to pretend like
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  Speaker 1: he's not tracking, and yeah, I don't know what she's doing.
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  Speaker 1: Who cares? You care? I think Cody Brown you care.
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  Speaker 2: Of course he cared because when Mary got her spiritual release,
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  Speaker 2: like he was pissed off that the elders called him
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  Speaker 2: and were like, yeah, we're granting this because you abandoned Mary,
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  Speaker 2: and he was offended because he's like, I didn't abandon her.
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  Speaker 2: I was a great husband. I was there. So I
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  Speaker 2: think he does care. I think he's trying to play
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  Speaker 2: off like he doesn't. I think he's trying to play
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  Speaker 2: off like he went and asked for a release, and
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  Speaker 2: because he's saying like, yeah, I asked, they told me no.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's some part of the dogma or something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the rules are. What do you mean,
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  Speaker 2: You're the one that converted to this religion. You had
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  Speaker 2: to have known that this was a tenant if it
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  Speaker 2: allegedly is Like, I feel like he could have gotten
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  Speaker 2: a release, he just didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't know what the rules are. I know
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  Speaker 1: if he had tried, though, he would have said so, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like absolutely, I want to go to the church and
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to have anything to do with these
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  Speaker 1: women that I never loved. Yeah, Like he would have
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  Speaker 1: been saying that all season long, but he never did,
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  Speaker 1: so I think he's lying.
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  Speaker 2: I think so too. And then we have Christine and
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  Speaker 2: David in Utah in their basement because they're renovating it
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. They want to turn it into some apartment
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  Speaker 2: or something.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just preface this entire section by saying, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just so sick of the rehashed historical explanations from this family.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of insulting at this point, Like Christine, you
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  Speaker 1: have discussed being the basement wife. We've literally heard an item,
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  Speaker 1: like we have heard it a million times, Like, why
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  Speaker 1: do you feel the need to constantly refresh her memory
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  Speaker 1: about how polygamy worked for your family? We know this,
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  Speaker 1: I know about having to be in the basement. We
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  Speaker 1: know this too. Like the only like juicy bit of
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  Speaker 1: information that came out of this section was her talking
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  Speaker 1: about hearing Cody and Mary fight yeah from the basement,
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  Speaker 1: and also other noises that we might hear. I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was a little interesting that she would even be
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  Speaker 1: talking about that. I think Mary's gonna find that to
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  Speaker 1: be disrespectful totally that she said that. But all this
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  Speaker 1: other basement wife lore, like I don't care, I know already.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Like what annoyed me about this conversation was that
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  Speaker 2: Christine was acting like she didn't know what the term,
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  Speaker 2: like that the term basement wife was popular in their community.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, like I didn't even know, but I
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  Speaker 2: guess they like volunteered to be the basement wife. And
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  Speaker 2: it's like you've been saying that for many years and
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  Speaker 2: you wrote it in your book that we read on Patreon.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, if you want to listen to our
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  Speaker 2: recap of it, but like we're acting like you're so
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  Speaker 2: surprised by this term and you're surprised that it became
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  Speaker 2: a reality in your family. But then I volunteered to
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  Speaker 2: be a basement wife. I'm like, shut up, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, and then we have to end the
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  Speaker 2: scene with being like I'm no longer a basement wife though, right, Daddy, David,
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  Speaker 2: I love you so much. I'm so glad that I'm
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  Speaker 2: like your whole wife. Like we know, that's great, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you guys could manufacture better content for
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  Speaker 2: us to watch than you guys just standing in your
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  Speaker 2: unfinished basement talking about being a basement wife.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Like I would not mind a bit
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  Speaker 1: to meet some of David's family. I know we did
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  Speaker 1: during the wedding special and stuff like that, but like,
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  Speaker 1: get to know who these people actually are, maybe introduce
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  Speaker 1: some interesting new characters. Find out about David's past, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I think he mentioned in last week's episode, Like,
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  Speaker 1: believe me, Cody, I've been there with my kids, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like what does that mean? Like did you have a
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  Speaker 1: falling out with your children after your wife passed? And
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  Speaker 1: I would love just something fresh, Yep, something new in
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  Speaker 1: the dumpster to chow on. Yeah, not the same basement
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  Speaker 1: wife conversation. I was just like, oh God.
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  Speaker 2: Help me, and talking about how polygamy isn't equal and
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't equal in their family, like we know. I
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  Speaker 2: think we've been saying that for thirteen episodes of this
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  Speaker 2: season already, Like we get it, I understand. And then
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: we had to talk about like the hierarchy with the
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  Speaker 2: wife and how Cody didn't want a pecking order but
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: then inevitably had a pecking order. And then I guess
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: Mary was like the head wife because she was the
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  Speaker 2: legal wife. Like we know this already as well. We
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  Speaker 2: know that Mary was in charge of everything and she
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: was a big old bitch allegedly, and that her Enganelle
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  Speaker 2: had problems, and then her and Christine had problems, like
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  Speaker 2: we know. Then we have to hear from who was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if there was a hierarchy, it's because people weren't being cool.
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  Speaker 1: Well they were cool before you got into the family though,
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  Speaker 1: And I actually really loved hearing Mary talk about like,
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  Speaker 1: well before Robin, Cody was really great with rotating his
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  Speaker 1: affection and like going from wife to wife to wife.
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  Speaker 1: But then as soon as Robin came, then there was
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  Speaker 1: a favorite wife and then there were some issues. And
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was that was nice to hear Mary,
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  Speaker 1: Like we all knew that. Yeah, it's great to hear
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  Speaker 1: it from you.
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  Speaker 2: It's great to hear her finally verbalize it after so
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  Speaker 2: many years of totally copying for Robin and Cody. But
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  Speaker 2: it's like it only happens after her and Robin have
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  Speaker 2: a falling out and then you want to tell the truth.
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  Speaker 2: But I did appreciate that comment from Mary, I will say,
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  Speaker 2: and I was pretty much it from that section with
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  Speaker 2: Christine and David. It was just talking about basement wives
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  Speaker 2: and polygamy and.
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  Speaker 1: Like how polygamist weddings are like funeral rights and the
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  Speaker 1: legal wife has the nicest wedding and then it just
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  Speaker 1: gets worse and worse from there. Although not for Robin,
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  Speaker 1: she got the very best wedding out of all of
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  Speaker 1: the four wives.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, she did get a really nice wedding. And what
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  Speaker 2: else did she Oh, she got the wedding dress that
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  Speaker 2: she got to pick with Cody, Like, so, yeah, she
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  Speaker 2: got the perfect experience. Robert or Christine got the funeral.
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  Speaker 1: Wedding unfortunately in the case and the funeral honeymoon according
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  Speaker 1: to her book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like, look, I know we were very critical
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  Speaker 2: of Christine and her whole wedding and like the whole
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  Speaker 2: wedding special last season because it was a lot because
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  Speaker 2: we saw so much of it. But it makes sense
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  Speaker 2: why she went like so over the top and why
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  Speaker 2: she has been so over the top with David and
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  Speaker 2: how she's been so affectionate with him and googoo gaga
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  Speaker 2: over him, Like I get it, and I'm glad for that.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to see more of their relationship. I
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: would love to see more of it outside of the
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  Speaker 2: realm of like talking about polygamy and talking about how
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  Speaker 2: Cody fucked up polygamy, like we know, yeah, we get
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  Speaker 2: it right. And then we have Janelle also traveling I
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  Speaker 2: think back to Utah, Yeah, yeah, to talk to the
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  Speaker 2: church leaders or whatever. She's going to ask them for
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  Speaker 2: the spiritual release and she's like nervous about it because
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  Speaker 2: she hasn't seen or talked to any of them in
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  Speaker 2: fifteen years or something like that. And that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: how we leave the episode. It was like a cliffhanger,
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  Speaker 2: which I'm sure it's going to be a nothing burger. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's going to get it, and then I
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  Speaker 1: think she's going to meet up with Mary. What I
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  Speaker 1: liked about this scene in Salt Lake City, though, was
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  Speaker 1: her enumerating the reasons she felt she qualified for the release.
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  Speaker 1: I think she said, we no longer live together. He's
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  Speaker 1: totally in love with his wife, and he is estranged
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  Speaker 1: from all of my children, and I think there was
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  Speaker 1: one other that I might be missing, But like she
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  Speaker 1: laid it out there, and based on these grounds, I
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  Speaker 1: should be entitled to a release.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: He's just gonna hate, oh yeah, to hear that, and
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  Speaker 1: I learned and I love that for him too.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. And I also kind of feel bad
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  Speaker 2: for Janelle because she's having to come up with these
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  Speaker 2: justifications for this spiritual release, because she is nervous about
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  Speaker 2: the the elder saying like, no, we're not gonna grant it,
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  Speaker 2: and she compares it to Mary, and she says that
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  Speaker 2: her situation was so much more different because Mary and
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  Speaker 2: Cody were not living together for many, many, many years,
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  Speaker 2: and so it was granted on the grounds of abandonment.
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  Speaker 2: So she's worried that the elders will somehow be like, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna have you be married to coding prown. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure the elders are gonna be like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: granted one release, We're gonna grant We.
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  Speaker 1: All watch the show like we get it. When Maddie
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  Speaker 1: did ask her, what are you gonna do if they
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  Speaker 1: say no, right, and I liked her response, She's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: then I know that I have done absolutely everything I
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  Speaker 1: need to do in order to extricate myself from this marriage,
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  Speaker 1: and I just have to trust that God sees me
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  Speaker 1: and God knows the truth, and at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, it's gonna work out in my favor because
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing all the right things.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, really, like, if you think about it, if
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  Speaker 2: this turns out to be true, right, and Mormon God
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  Speaker 2: on Coolab looks at.
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  Speaker 1: This, fucked, we're so fun to her, we don't get
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  Speaker 1: a planet Hell, straight to Hell.
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  Speaker 2: Purgatorio or whatever. Seriously, But I mean, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: Mormon God on Kolab would look at Janelle being unhappy
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  Speaker 2: on Cody's planet with Robin and be like, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'll do you a solid I'll put you over
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  Speaker 2: here with a beautiful planet with a beautiful garden, with
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  Speaker 2: your babies and everything. It'll be great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that'll happen. I think so too,
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  Speaker 1: But what do I know? And I think she feels
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  Speaker 1: confident in that she does say though, like if they
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  Speaker 1: said no, it would lead to some kind of a
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: crisis of faith, which I find to be interesting because
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: it seems to me like you're already not aligned with
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: AaB for fifteen years, you haven't been affiliated, Like why
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: don't we care so much what these people have to say?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: But I mean, okay, that's your journey.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I guess it is her journey, and I don't understand
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: that too, Like why are you so worried about what
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: they're gonna say if you haven't been a part of
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: it for fifteen years, and if it's supposed to be
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: like a separate sect from like LDS, Like why are
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: you even trippin'?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Well? Because she entered into the union through the system
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: of that, maybe she wants to cleanly exit the union
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: through the system.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Of that, And look, that's fair, But I also respect
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Christine for not giving a fuck.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: And Maddie being like, Mom, you do not need to
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be awesome? Though? If Christine like next season
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: was like, Yeah, I'm gonna get a spiritual release because
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Janelle and Mary got it, so now I'm gonna do it.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be great? That would be fantastic.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: And watch the aub be like, no, it's actually for you.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to spend the rest of your eternal
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: life on a planet watching Cody bang Robin.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: That'd be so terrible.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: And you'll be in the basement of the planet and
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: you have to make dinner for all of their children,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: their eternal children. Oh my god.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: No, but for real though, but that would be really funny.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I would love to see that in season twenty one.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Christine being like, you know what, I'm actually gonna go
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: through with the spiritual release.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: That'd be great.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: It'd be so great. And then we get to the
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: bulk of the episode, which is Cody's apology to Mary.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: So he pulls on it to this booty ass park
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: in Cedar City, Utah to meet with Mary.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Janelle got a nice little restaurant with Cody, Christine and
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: David got to meet him at the big conference room
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: in Vegas and go go kart racing and go go
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: kart racing. But Mary, you get a picnic bench, not
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: unlike the one on Cody pass, which is where he
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: sat you down to break up with you last bad
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: You got a picnic bench and that's it for you, honey.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yikes. But I did love that Mary showed up with
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: boss bitch energy.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: She did.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I mean she was not upset. I mean she was
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: like she showed up unbothered. She's like, I don't know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: like we'll see what he has to fucking say.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I felt like she was looking a little bit for
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: a fight. But I feel like that's entirely valid, Like
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: he wants to give her a hug when he sees her,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and she's like, we're not really cool like that. We
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: haven't really been cool like that for quite some time.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And so just from the very beginning, she's setting a
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: tone and this what triggers Cody immediately, and so the
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: rest of the conversation goes terribly because of that, because
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: is so horrible. She's not falling into line. And I
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: really wish I knew whether she ultimately signed some kind
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: of NDA with him, because if I recall correctly, he
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: asked once. I think she said no. Maybe he put
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a different agreement in front of me, Like we can't
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: talk about these specifically.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she ever signed anything, but I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: am curious about it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I am too, because it did seem like she was
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: not going full force, like I feel like, I think
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you're right. She was probably showing up looking for a fight.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And I would be too mm hm, oh my god.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I would be so livid to have to just sit
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: down and do this fakess apology with Cody the Brown,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: knowing full well that it's like just for the cameras,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: it's just for the show. But she shows up, she
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: tries to be a little bit nice. I did love that.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: She was like I'm not gonna hug you. We're not
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: friends like that. And then Cody asks her some follow
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: up question like so how's life, Like what's going on.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: She's like, you don't know me like that.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: She's like, I'm thriving. Actually I'm thriving out here in
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: these streets. He's like, oh, like how are you thriving?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And he's like, she's like, I appreciate your curiosity, but like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not here to tell you about my life and
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: all of my secrets. He's like, I'm literally not asking
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: for your secrets. I'm just trying to find out if
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you're okay. But all right, I see how it's going
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Well and she's like, I know you're not asking for
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: my secrets, but I'm still not going to tell you
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: anything because we're still not friends. He's like, well, I'm
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: trying to be friendly. Well, okay, I tried to do that,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: but it didn't work out that way Cody. So it's just,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: oh my god. They really do kind of tip for
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: tat the entire time with each other the entire time,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and you could tell Cody was so triggered by all
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: of it. And I think that was why she was
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the last one. That's why she gets the park bench
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: and she doesn't even get a restaurant or even a drink.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: She just gets a fucking free park bench filming because
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: she does trigger him the most. Because I think they're
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: very similar in like they both come in with hard energy,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: want to be right, and like two things could be
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: true at once, Like Mary could have been a total,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: big old bitch in the earlier she could have totally
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: made everyone's life hell in the early years especially, but
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: at the same time, Cody was a piece of shit husband,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: not just to Mary, but to Christine and to Janelle.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Well, he talks about not wanting a pecking order with
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: his wives and never wanting one wife to be in
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: control of the other wives, but then they started arranging
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: themselves in a pecking order, and he's just like, you
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: guys figure it out. You guys can scrap it out yourselves.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go and pay the mortgage, thank you.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like, when did you ever pay the mortgage? I
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: mean Janelle who was out here working and Christine had
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: to work at night so they could also help pay
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the mortgage. But like, you just left your wives to
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: fight it out like wolves. Yeah, as you just skipped
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: out of the house and never took any responsibility for anything,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: which you are continuing to do this conversation with Mary.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: He takes responsibility for nothing. It's clear he has come
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: here with a list of items that he wants to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: apologize for. But he is so insincere when you just
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: look at his face if you read body language, which
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I absolutely don't, so I'm just talking out of my
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: ass right now. But like sometimes the way he looks
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: at her is with such disgust yep, like she is
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: so beneath him, and anytime she opens her mouth to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: say anything, he's just like looking at her like yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: like he can't stand her well.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And like the whole time he's like trying to apologize
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to her at the park on the couch, he tries
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: to spin this story or this narrative to act like
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Mary was the one coming in with terrible energy, Like
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I was coming in trying to be friendly. I was
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: trying to be benevolent, and it was really hard because
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: you know, me and Mary's relationship has been like a minefield.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: It's just like so hard to deal with her. Like
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: he's trying to spin it like it was Mary being
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the bad guy the entire time, like that he was
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the victim being abused at this park pinch, and it's like, dude,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: you were gaslighting her the entire time, and like you
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: say these things like I apologize for saying I never
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: loved you, I apologize for being toxic, But then he's
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: not taking full responsibility. He's not sitting in the weight
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of anything.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: You won't even let her finish a thought. I loved
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: when she said, like, are we just here to listen
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: to you apologize or can this be a conversation where
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: like I actually get to say things too, because I'm
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: not able to say them because you keep cutting me off,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: which is something you have always done in this relationship.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: And as she's just trying to say that, he cuts
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: her off. He cuts her off again. I don't want
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to look at the luggage. The luggage is downstream. We
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: don't need to go through the luggag. She's like, I'm
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: not talking about luggage. I'm talking about in this moment,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I would like to be able to complete a goddamn sentence.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Would you let me speak?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: No, he won't. And even when she says that and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: says like, I'm not gonna let you shut me down.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let you keep cutting me off, Cody
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: has to make a snide remark, and I think it
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: was on the couch, saying like, well, I've got two
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: ex wives and Robin who say that I never used
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: to cut you off. I never shut you down. So
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck she's saying, because I
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: always let her talk. It's like, okay, are we what
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: are we doing?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: He's triangulating. He's trying to make sure that Mary hears
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that everybody else does do not agree that she was silenced,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and so it cannot be true. And he wants us
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to believe that as well. But like we're seeing it
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: right in this conversation, you're not letting her say her
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: piece and listen, if we're going to apologize to somebody,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: if we're coming from a true place, like you have to.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: First of all, you can't have an expectation about whether
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: they accept that apology or not. And it's really not
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: about that, but you have to give them this space
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to receive it and respond in whatever way they feel
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: is best for them. It's so obvious that he's not
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: giving her any room to express herself in any way,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and he's just hoping she'll go along with it. He's
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: hoping she understands we're doing this for the cams. We're
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: doing this for the cram. I'm not really here because
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: they care about you. I'm here because I want to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: make television with you. Are you game for that? And
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: she is not? She's not. And it was so good
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to see her. And it wasn't that she showed up
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: like with a bad attitude. She showed up with boundaries. Yes,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And you could tell too that he's actively pissed whenever
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: this was filmed, and I'm not sure when it was filmed.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I was trying to figure it out based on his hair,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I know, in his slight little body, and like it's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: like spring.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Before Special Forces.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It's probably right before he went on Special Force.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: But like you're still mad about Jen, Yeah, And he
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't understand that her friends said what they said about
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you because you spent three seasons trashing Mary, which she
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: tries to tell him, yep, like my friends wouldn't be
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: out here saying things about you, and then he cuts
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: her off. I know, he cuts her off.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: And he keeps saying like, oh, I don't want to argue,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: like again, trying to put it on Mary, like she's
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: being argumentative and she's being bitchy in this situation, and
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: it's like no, like that's the issue. And he even
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: came to this apology with that in mind, Like I
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: think he talked about it on the couch, saying like
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: him and Mary had a good moment when he helped
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: her move and everything was fine, but then he found
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: out that her friends were talking shit about him, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: so then he called her up and got super mad
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: at her for what her friends I got it right
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: in her face on the phone.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Right, he had to correct himself exactly. Like the first
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: time the friends thing comes up, though, is like when
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: they're walking to the picnic bench and she's like, well,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I've tried to be a friend to you, but like
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: that really hasn't worked out. And then he says something like, well,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: that's your friends because of your friends and what they've done,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and it's like, immediately out of the gate, he's got
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a problem with Jen and all of her friends. And
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: there was a lot last season there was, and there's
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: a good amount this season with Janelle's rando friends, and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: we appreciate that, but like he's but hurt. But how
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: much of a hypocrite do you have.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: To be to take, in literal years, saying the most violent,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: disgusting and invalidating things about all of these women and
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: then feel like them responding or having their friends respond
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: and defend them, like is such a terrible thing.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's like such a narcissistic thing to be, like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: you need to have your friends stop talking bad about me. Like,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: first of all, they're their own independent people, and they're
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: allowed to say whatever the fuck they want to say.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: If it's on TV or not. They're allowed to say
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: what they think of you because they're free people. But
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: he can't deal with that. He's an avid comment reader.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: We know that from Christine's book. Like he's always on
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the social media, so he's seeing what everybody in the
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: world and what we're saying about him. Probably on our podcast,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: he's probably listening right now. Fuck you Gody if you are.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: But like, it's the fact that it's Mary's friends and
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: it's people that are close to Mary, because he, I think,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: is afraid of what they know and like what they
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: know about him, what they know about him and Mary's relationship.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I think he's afraid of what Mary's been telling them.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I think he's afraid of something getting out. So he's like,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: tell your loud mouth friends to shut up. No, dude,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: they're not going to and you can cry about it. Yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: you can be mad about it. Nobody cares well.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: And I feel like he always needs to attribute some
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: peripheral person's criticism of him to a primary player. And
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: what I mean by that is like when the kids
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: come out and criticize Cody, then that's Janelle's fault or
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that's Christine's fault, and it's because both of those women
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: are turning his children against him. Great and then having
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Jen come out and these other women come out and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: defend Mary, well, that's because Mary is causing them to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: do that and embarrass him on national television. So he
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: can blame Mary. He can focus on Mary as opposed
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to addressing the things that are actually being said that
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: are critical of him, right and like owning any of
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that or examining any of that, or like trying to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: do something to make amends for that, Like far be
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: it from him right to do any of that work.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: He's just going to blame somebody close to him and
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: take it out on them.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That's such a great point, Like and if you were
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: so upset, and if you knew Jen, like Jen's been
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: in your guys' lives for fifteen sixteen years or something
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: like that, like why don't you like call up Jen
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and be like, hey, why are you saying this shit
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: about me on TV? Let's talk about it?
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Because to be scared because you know she would lay
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: into him.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Oh she so would, and she would never fall for
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: any of his bullshit. So of course he has to
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: go to Mary. And I think he was so taken
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: aback by how Mary was not falling for any of
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: his bullshit. He kept saying, I apologize, I apologize, and
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Mary calls him out for this and is like, you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: you keep using this word and you keep saying I apologize,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't feel sincere, and it feels a bit
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: extreme and a bit performative. And Cody on the couch
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: is like, well, I just have to ignore that she
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: said that, and I just have to keep apologizing, because
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: you know, how can you be mad at somebody who's
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: saying sorry all the time?
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Your delusional.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: He's also dumb. He's not, in mytionally intelligent. I don't
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: said a million times, but he just doesn't get it,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: not at all.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: This whole conversation was so frustrating to watch because I mean,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I've been saying from the get go that all of
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: these apologies from Cody have been bullshit. They were fake,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: they're super performative. I don't think that there was any
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: sincerity with any of them whatsoever, because to be sincere
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: in apology, in an apology is to sit in the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: full weight of your responsibility and how you destroyed all
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: of your relationships. There was like one little kernel that
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I felt like he was a little bit sincere when
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: he was apologizing for how he handled the divorces, and
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: he cries a little bit. He says, like, I'm really
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: ashamed because he had always said, at least to the
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: OG three, that from the get go, if one of
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: them wanted to leave, he would make sure that they
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: were taken care of and he would pay child support
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and like he would be as kind as possible. And
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: when the divorces ultimately happened, he didn't do any of that,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and he went completely the opposite of what his soul
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: was telling him to do and who he was as
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a person, how he always said he was going to
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: do this stuff and he didn't do it. I felt
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: like that was sincere. But then he goes right back
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: into the bullshit, and then he says something else about
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the like not loving her.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he apologizes, and it does seem to be somewhat sincere.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: He apologizes for saying that he didn't love her, for
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: not being there for her in Vegas, not being there
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: for her in her dark time, and I'm just like,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: what time is that?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, Catfish?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Was it the Catfish or was it flag Staff? Because
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: She then says something like, well, I had a dark
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: time because you weren't there, and so I'm wondering if
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: it's the COVID years. I am not sure. In those
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: small moments, he did seem sincere, but there were so
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: many apologies that actually came across as insults, like when
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: he says something like well, I'm sorry Mary that I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: don't find you hilarious. Oh my god, that was so rude.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: He said a few things like that, while I'm sorry
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: they didn't understand that you're toxic, Like yeah, the way
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: he phrased it, I'm like, oh my god, you're such
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: a petty, awful, poisonous little person.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: There was another one where she said something about how
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: she was trying to be kind to him, and he's like, well,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: i'm sorry, I didn't think that you were being kinder,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry that I didn't know that you were
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: being kind, Or.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: How about when they first sat down at the picnic
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: table and he's like, well you got that money, huh, yeah,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: you got your share. You've got your share of coyote pass.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I forget how he phrased it, and he's like, smile,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you should be happy. For that, I'm like, why should
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: she be happy? And she just stares at him. I know, like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: why would I be happy about that? That was my
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: fair share. I paid into Coyote Pass equally with everybody else.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I also contributed to Robin's mcmansin. I gave a lot
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: of money into this family. So why am I supposed
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to be so happy that you did the right thing?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Why were you not going to.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Do the right thing?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, really, like, what is that supposed to mean?
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: It was literally him just being like, well, you shouldn't
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: be upset anymore because I did.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: The right thing.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I did the right thing. And even then it was
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: a little bit less than her fair share because Cody
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: and Robin got more of Coyote Pass than they were allotted.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: But whatever, I guess it's nicol and dimes at this point.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Everybody got their their pain.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: But she should be satisfied. She happy got what you
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: paid into the property, you got what you were owed.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: It's because I'm such a great guy.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: It's so ridiculous.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: He's so bad.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: He's so bad, and like he set out on this
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: apology tour saying that this was benevolence and that I'm
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: extending in all of branch and that even if they
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: don't want to accept my apology, like I'm just trying
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to do this in good faith because I'm trying to
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: get right with God and get right with myself and
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. But like in this conversation with Mary,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: it's clear he didn't even want to apologize for anything.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: He was just doing it because she's the last one,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and he already did it with Christine and Janelle and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: it went okay with those two. So I'm going to
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: force it with Mary just for the cameras, so that
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: way I can say that I did it and then
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: move on. And at the end of it, he says
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: something like I just want to let it go, Like
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: we can't like tip for tap forever. We just have
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: to be able to let it go. I want you
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: to move on. I want to be happy, we to
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: live a free life. And Mary's like I've been doing that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I don't need your permission and I don't need this
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: stupid apology.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I don't need any of this closure that you're offering.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I'm moved on, I'm living my best life. I need you.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares about you. It's just ridiculous, it is.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: And when she tries to bring up the kids, this
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: part pissed me off so bad.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I said, you're not allowed to talk. It's verboten, which
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: means you're not allowed to talk about it forbidding. You
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: can't tell me what the fuck to talk about.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: See.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I would have loved to see a little bit of
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: back for Mary. I would have loved for her to
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: get into her feelings about that and just talk right
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: over him. You cannot stop me from bringing up the children.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: You are a strange from all of your kids. Have
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: you ever asked yourself, why what about our children that
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you are hurting? I would have just talked right over
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: him for those cameras, I don't care. And then like
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: at the end, Tiny when he's like, I want you
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: to think that this whole apology is for you, but
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: it's actually really about me, me and God. I know
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: it's all about you. Cody Hello, He's like, well and God.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: She's like, okay, maybe God's here too. But like the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: fact that you can't see how that would be perceived
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: by the world much less Mary Brown, Like how narcissistic
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: and self absorbed things I know you want this to
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: be about you, but it's all about me, babe, about me.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, dude, well, it's.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Contrary to everything he's been saying on this stupid apology tour,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: because he's like, I'm trying to make amends and I'm
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: trying to be friendly with all of them because i
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: feel bad that I hurt them and I'm so ashamed
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: by my behavior. So now, okay, the truth is out.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: It was for you to feel better about yourself, not
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: take any responsibility, and now if anybody says anything bad
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: about you, you're going to play the victim card and
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: be like, but I apologize though I tried to make amends.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: It's them being toxic, it's them being petty bitches.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Well, and he also says something like, well, I hope
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: after this we can all put our swords down and
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you know, be at least friends going forward. And I
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: was wondering, like, is there an ulterior motive? Like yes,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: he's saying God requires me to do this and to
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: apologize and to try and heal the situation. He's trying
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: to present it as some sort of spiritual duty. We
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: have our suspicions that he's probably just creating content. But
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I'm also wondering, and I think we talked about it
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: either last week or the week before, like is there
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: another motive around wanting to ensure that he can continue
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: with the show because if they all refuse to film
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: with him, if they refuse to include him, like maybe
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: he's a little bit worried that the show falls apart
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't have some kind of a relationship or
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: a connection with his with his og wives.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I could see that. I mean, I could see before
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: this season aired, producers sitting down with Cody and Robin
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: being like, look, this is the public perception of you,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: and if you want to have any chance of staying
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: on the show or any chance of creating content with
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: these women, you need to go on a redemption arc
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and you need to at least pretend like you're trying
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to make amends. And Cody, of course, being the ultimate grifter,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: is like, Okay, I'll do whatever I can so that
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: way I can keep my big mansion and keep my
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: bitch wife Robin happy. Like I could see a world
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: like that. I could also see him just doing this
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: purely for his ego and trying to rehab his image
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: because he is so concerned about how people perceive him.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: But it's like, if you really, I don't know, if
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: you were really concerned about it, then why wouldn't you
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: just do the real work and actually be sincere in
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: these apologies and actually be willing to talk about your children,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Like the fact that you're just.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Saying to listen, Yeah, it doesn't cost you anything to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: shut the fuck up right and let the injured person
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: off gas and expel rest themselves in a safe way,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: like you kept saying last week, I'm going to be
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: able to hold space or we're just going to hold
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: space for whatever they need to do to process through
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: losing me, right, the biggest wound of their lives, Like
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: you couldn't just shut up and let Mary speak and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: let her go through her own process, whatever that may
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: look like, because you are an infant, you are a child,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: you are immature, You're insecure, You're so painfully insecure.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: You can't have.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Any of this criticism expressed out loud because then other
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: people are going to know. We already know, but then
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: other people are going to know. And how is that
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: going to make me look? Like? He just can't do it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: He can't deal with it. He really can't. And I
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: think that when he was filming this, like I can
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: tell in his interstitials, I think he thought he did some.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I think he thought, oh my god, people are totally
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: gonna buy this because Mary was so rude to me,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: and like, I came in with good faith and I
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: was really trying my hardest to be benevolent and apologize. Like,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I really think he thought he did something. And so
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: now that the season's airing, I'm wondering if he's reading
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: all the comments and watching the recaps and stuff and realizing, like, oh,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: he couldn't pull the wool over anyone's eyes.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Well maybe Janelle's maybe maybe, I don't know.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Her fucking apology now just pisses me off a bit more.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: All of this pisses me off.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Well, Like, what's the feedback like online? I haven't looked
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: on Reddit or on socials at all. Are people talking
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: about Mary and his conversation?
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're loving Mary? Okay, Yeah, they're totally on
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Mary's side and being like yes, queen, because yes, queen.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she didn't really say the things that she
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: truly wanted to say. I think she's so very much
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: wanted to defend her friends more than she was able to.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Even though you know, when Cody says something like, well,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Jen does not know me. She spent her time with you,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Mary's like she knows you.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: She knows you.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: She was around the fam in Vegas, and she was enough,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: she was around you enough to clock exactly who it
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: is that you are. But like just there wasn't enough
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: space for her to finish her which was such a
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: regrettable thing because I really wanted to hear from her.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: But you know, it is what it is. I'm sure
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: she's glad to just be like, Okay, go pee. I mean,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I don't get me out of here. I don't want
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to spend one more second with this odious little leprechaun
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: of a man's demonic individual.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Him running away to go pee was so funny to me.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, just like so symbolic. I know he had
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: a pee, but just him like running away from the conversation,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: just in and of itself, was just perfect to me
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: because I think that's what he's doing with all of it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: It's like here, I'm gonna say I'm sorry, and then
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk away. I'm gonna go fuck off to
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: my McMansion, and I'm gonna live my life knowing that
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I did the right thing and that you can accept
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: it if you want. But like I did the right thing,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I apologize.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit down with my wife, who had the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: nerve in her interstitial to say, well, like back in
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: the day, Cody never really told me about what was
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: going on with his wives. I mean, of course not.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: But now it's just Cody and me, and so he'll
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: come home and he'll tell me about it. And so
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: because of that, I don't need to be there with
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: him to speak Cody and interpret. For Mary, I think
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: if she had, I think she was scared to show up.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I think Mary has just as much fire for Robin
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and just as much to say to Robin as she
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: does to Cody.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Definitely that's why she's hiding out with her dolls, like
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: she doesn't want to confront any of them.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, today, we're gonna buy you a new outfit
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: for a spring.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: While Cody goes on as the Poljic tour.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: She's probably got a Marry doll because.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Christine Voodoo doll, phau Show.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Definitely David one too. Yeah, because I mean, really, Robin
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't have any friends. Have we ever seen on the
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: history of this show Robin with any friends? But like
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: did we see her.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: With Yeah, she showed up in San Francisco, just like
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: they went by fabric or whatever for their celebration outfits.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: But since then, no, we have heard about Kendra. Yeah,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: collecting intel on Mary during the Catfish air and bringing
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: those bones back to Robin and Golodie. But like, no,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: we don't see anybody. I mean, we see her sister
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: or her niece. Who's the nanny That doesn't count though
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: My point is like Robin doesn't have any friends besides
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: her dolls, so like she's probably crazy high on ambient
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: in her house playing with her dolls and stuff.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: They don't even have like dogs or cats, No, they don't.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: She'll kick them. She will kick out of the house.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: And literally, I hate to laugh, but it's like she will.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: She will. She can't get along with animals.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: She can't get along with anybody, and you.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Know, animals can suss out a poisonous demon.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: They can't.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Why she can't be around them for real?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Though, But yeah, like to your point, I don't think
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Robin will ever sit down with Mary and deal with
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: an apology or try to make amends or anything like that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Even if, like the producers were pushing for maybe she would.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: If the producers like, you have to do it or.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Else you're not paid, that's the only way.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then she might. But like it won't be good
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: because I don't think Mary is going to be very nice.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: No, And I don't think Robin has the oral ability
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to defend herself. She's not smart enough in the moment,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: especially when she's a lying ho and she knows it
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: when her lies are being called out. She would not
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: have the ability to defend herself, which is why we
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: should really see it, I know, but we never will.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: We can't even get them into one room for the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: town nothings, which is just so fucking aggravating.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: But I digress, because we're going to come up to
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: that soon. Okay, Then we get to the preview for
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: next week.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Was that it was there anything else juicy in their conversation.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think there was like a lot that
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: was said, but it was a lot of them cutting
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: each other off.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Right, I mean, and getting him to deign to admit
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to the fact that he shared in the toxicity was
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: really tough.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, where he had to think about it because
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: she's like, are you going to apologize for being toxic
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to me?
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: To me directly? And he's like, Mary, I apologize for
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: being toxic to you. Yes, But it was like pulling teeth.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Just the whole thing was awful. I mean I took
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of notes on this one, because every single
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: thing that was said I thought was important and that
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I wanted to remember, But like then, I didn't remember
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: any of it. I just remembered what an awful person
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: he is and feeling bad for Mary, but also like, yeah,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: feeling proud of Mary at the same time, because you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: she talks a lot about worthying up, and we've lamented
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the fact that we haven't really seen her do a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: lot of that worthying up. But in this episode, hud Day,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I think she worthied up. She showed up strong as fuck,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: she left strong as fucks. She said what she could say. Yep,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: And I loved it. I did love that.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I loved how she brought up boundaries with him too,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: of being like I'm not coming here to fight, like
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: I'm literally just establishing hard boundaries because of how fucked
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: up our relationship has been, and how fucked up you
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: have treated me so like I'm just having boundaries and
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: you don't have to like it, and that's fine, but
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not here to argue and like, for me, this
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: whole conversation, I was thinking about how the marriage must
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: have been, because I feel like anytime Mary brought up
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: any issue, it turned into something like this, where it
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: was just a tit for tat. Cody could not sit
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: in the weight of anything, He could not deal with
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Mary's problems or needs, and it just became a fight
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: because Mary would try to express like, hey, I don't
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: like when you do that, and then Cody would be like,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: but it's your fault, and it was just a back
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: and forth.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think Mary was a victim back then. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: think she sounds based on what we've read and what
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: kids have said, what wives have said, it sounds like
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Mary was somewhat unregulated in terms of her emotions and
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: her ability to not like, fly off the handle and
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: take it out on other people. I can see her
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: absolutely dominating Cody in that way, because before Cody crystallized
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: into the demon that we see today, he seemed like
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: a fun, loving sort of, you know, wounded by his father,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: but like looking for love and to make a family.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I think Mary was probably probably hard on him, and
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: so I think some of what we might be seeing
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to just be so gracious to him, which he does
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: not deserve, could be a bit of a trauma response,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Like he's showing up. He's already triggered because she's coming
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: in with this somewhat hard energy, which is deserved, but
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: like it's taking him back to a time when maybe
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: she wasn't so good to him.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: I could see that, But I could also see two
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: things being true at once. Like I could see Mary
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: being a bit of a hard ass all their lives.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I could see her being a total bitch. But I
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: could also see Cody being from the Jump a bad husband. Yes,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: because if we're to believe like everything in Christine's book,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: like he was a bad husband for her from the Jump.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: And for Janelle. He apologized for it when they met
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: in Charlotte, and he's like, you know, I should have
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: stuck up for you. I just kind of left you
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: hanging and I should have been there.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: And with Mary, I feel like from the get go
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: he wasn't really thinking about how she felt about things,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: and so I feel like it could have created, well
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: not created, I feel like it could have as escalated
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Mary's resentment and Mary's instability and her emotional like chaos
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: in the family. I'm not saying that that was the
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: sole cause, because I think Mary has some baggage from
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: her luggage down the river, down the river, from her
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: family and everything. I'm sure she came in with heart energy,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: but like Cody, I don't think ever was compassionate about
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: that or like trying to work through that with her.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: So I think that was my whole point with just
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: watching their conversation, like manly, this was probably how every single,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: every single conversation that they had was.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: What sounds like they fought a lot, according to Christine
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: in the basement.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know, fuck up a little bit too, which
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: is kind of interesting. Why because Christine being like I
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: heard all the other noises and I'm like, well, how often.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, give us some details because we know what was
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: happening in your bedroom. I know, God bless you. You
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: had to wear them Mormon, the Holy Mormon underwear, and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: when you didn't wear the Holy Moment Mormon underwear, which
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Cody insisted that you wear you had. You wore lingerie
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: what she calls lingerie in her book, which I just
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: have to imagine is not like Victoria's Secret. No, it's
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: like a night you little It's probably a full on nightgown, yeah,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Puritan style. And she had to wear that to have
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: sex with him because he never really wanted to have
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: sex with her.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Because he was disgusted by her.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: So he was a terrible husband from the very beginning.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: But he seemed like a good dad. I don't know,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: there's just glimpses of a good Cody from his youth.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: We don't see any of that anymore, certainly not after
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: watching this episode.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Not.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: It was terrible, so awful, and it's like really pathetic
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: to watch him try and do this stuff, Like you're
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: such a pathetic excuse for a man. You are so
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: old at this point, like.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: You're almost sixty years old, Cody.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you let some of this anger go? It's
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: just going to crystallize in your body and fall out
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: through your hair, and you're just as it is exhibited.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Did you see the sun reflect us that? Yes?
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Only did I see it? I paused, I got up
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: from my sofa and I walked to my big television
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: and I inspected it very closely, and I'm like, Cody,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: you're losing all your hair, Honey, it's so bad. David.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: What are we doing? David? You dumb, little, insecure, self absorbed, narcissistic,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: awful father, awful person. And he keeps using the word benevolence,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and you're to be benevolent. I think what you mean
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: to be saying is you're here to be humble like
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and to just put yourself out there and get them
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: to see a different side of you. Benevolence to me
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: implies like you're coming from a position on high. I'm
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: a benevolent monarch. I'm a benevolent king being good to
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the little people. Yeah, right, So to that end, maybe
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: he means benevolent because I just think he sees himself
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: that way. But like, would it kill you to just
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: shut up and be humble?
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I know, like would it kills you to actually let
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: shit go? You can't let anything go because he's pissed
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: off still.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Even if you don't agree, like you could have somebody
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: say what they feel and their perception of it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: That was one thing that Mary said that I thought
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: was so great. She's like, even though we shared the
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: same experience, we did not have the same experience, right, Like,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: we were both there at the same time, but my
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: experience was vastly different than yours. Yeah, and it takes
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a certain kind of emotional maturity to sit there and
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: let somebody explain that experience from their perspective without needing
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: to correct them according to your experience exactly. She called that,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And I love that.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I did love that too, because that Cody wants to
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: be right, like in all of these apologies, like he's
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: saying he's coming at it from a humble, benevolent place
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: or whatever, but it really isn't. He thinks that his
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: perception of all of it was one hundred percent right.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: The only reason why he's apologizing for things like well,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry I said I didn't love you is because
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Robin gave him the script and said, you need to
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: apologize for these things because people hate it, and otherwise
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: it's a lie because you did love them. So he's
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: only coming at it from this performative aspect. And you're right, like,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: he isn't being humble because if I'm sitting if I'm
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Cody Brown, and I want to be. I want to
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: make amends for things. I'm gonna go and I'm gonna apologize,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: and I will shut the fuck up and I will
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: let them say whatever they want to say. I will cry.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I don't need to agree with it.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I don't need to agree, but I'm going to let
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: it go. Because if you are at this big age,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: like if you're this fucking old and you're acting like.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: This, yeah, he's never going to change.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: You're never going to change at all. It's so sad.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And then you want to say talking about the kids
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: is for boten. I'm like, oh my god, I can't
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: believe he had the balls to say that. And then
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: he said, I'm working on my relationship with my kids.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: And then you have Mary being like, m I ain't
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: seeing it though.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he still was so controlling and like he is
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: the one that's dictating the way the conversation happens and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: what is said. And this is how we know. And
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: this is how Mary saw very quickly that he's not sincere,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: that this really is about him. And she says something
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: in er interestitial like, I will give him the space
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: and the time to say whatever he needs to say.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. This is about him, it's not
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: about me. But I'm just like Mary, But why, I know,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: why would you be fine with that? Why would we
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: need to entertain this little person and his tangents and
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: his rage and his perspective of things. Why wouldn't you
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: talk over him? Why wouldn't you get up and leave?
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Which is what I think Jen was advocating for last
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: week when they all sat down together, like why are
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you going there right? Why do you need to sit there?
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Why so he can vomit onto you all of his
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: ideas and his apologies that mean absolutely nothing? Like why
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: do you need that for yourself? Why do you need
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: to give that to him? Mary?
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: I mean really, the real boss move for Mary would
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: have been I'm not gonna go. Yeah, I don't need
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: to hear anything that you have to say. Sorry, But
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: maybe you're right, like you had said at the beginning
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: of this subisode, maybe she did sign some kind of
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: NDA or contract or something that like obligated her to
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: go and sit and listen to this bullshit, because otherwise,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: why would you Like if Cody Brown was messaging me
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: and I was his ex or something and was like,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I want to apologize I'd be like, fuck off. I
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: had an ex girlfriend do that for many years after
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: we broke up. She kept trying to contact me and
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: kept trying to call me and message me and apologize
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: for bullshit that was so many years in the past,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: and every time I'd be like, I don't want to
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: listen to you.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Sorry, bye. Well, you know that happened to me recently
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: as well. I had an ex from a long time
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: ago call my brother.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: You want to go uncensored?
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go uncensored. So back from our uncensored where
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: were we? That was so long conversation about a recent
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: phone call that I say.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: It was crazy. You guys want to listen to uncensored stuff,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: you gotta get a Patreon.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: You gotta go to Patreon. Anyway, where were we?
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: And that was pretty much it Like the end of
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Mary's conversation with Cody, And like, you wish she would
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: say something different or act a little bit different with Cody,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: but she did handle herself pretty well given the circumstances,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: and given the fact that Cody is a malignant, demonic, narcissist.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not enough ways to describe how awful he
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: is and how immature and tantrum me, toddlery, pamper boy.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Awful person, horrible. I just detest him.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I hate him.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: So we started this podcast like literally screaming about how
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: much we hated Cody Brown and we were team too much. Yeah,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: definitely going a little crazy, a little ham on the internet.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: But I stand by it. Me too, just an awful
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: person and I'm just like, we gotta be calling these
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: people out, No, I mean, really though, and curate your persona.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you have any consciousness and intelligence in
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: that fucking ball ahead of yours, sit down and make
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: a game plan so you don't come off looking like
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: a complete gargoyle, no, straight up.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: And it's like on our other shows that we cover,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: like Welcome to Plasfall, for example, I feel like I
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: try to see the light in everyone, and I try
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: to try to have except for Olivia Plat.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: But well I can see something you do a little, yes, you.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Tiny little shadow in there. But like with Kim Plav
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: for example, who's also a bit of a fucking narc
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: and also a drunk yeah, and also an alcoholic, it's
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: like I can try and have some compassion for her.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: But with Cody Brown, it's so hard for me to
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: draw on anything, because I feel like he's been like
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: this his entire life, and I just struggle to have
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: sympathy for someone who just constantly lies and constantly what's
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: the word do you use last week? Blovate?
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Can I use that oviate?
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Oviate?
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, just loves to hear himself speak.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's like I can't. I can't have compassion for somebody.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: And then Robin, with her big old Eastern Island head,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: just come just through her fucking interstitials on the couch
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: like we don't need your commentary, like we didn't need
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: you at all in this entire episode. We don't need
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: you ever. I don't want to see you anymore with
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: your dour face.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Serious, unless you want to go on an apology tool
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: with all.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: These women, Well, I have to apologize for exactly we.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Came in cap in hand. And speaking of the preview,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: we get to that we have Cody going on his
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: final stop of the apology tour and apologizing to Robin,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: saving the bits.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: For last my queen, My queen, I get.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: He says that he hasn't been fair to her or something,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: and then Robin says his apologies with the og wives
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: have given him peace, and so now he's coming back
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: to the beautiful husband that I know him to be
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: sure we can live our best life in our McMansion
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: next to a mine. We have Janelle in the preview,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: also saying she doesn't regret any of the last thirty
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: years because it brought her all of these children and
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: this family and everything, which I think is great. They
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: shouldn't regret any of this time, screat because it all
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: everything happens for a reason. Then we have Janelle meeting
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: up with Mary. I'm assuming after like the spiritual release
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: or something, because we have this little scene in the
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: preview of Janelle asking Mary if she's dated and Mary says, yeah,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: she's done some dating around. And then we have her
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: in the river with Ron or whatever.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Snoozefest. God, what a poet.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: She talks about their connection and I guess they've been
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: dating or whatever, and she's hopeful about it. I'm like,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: are you guys kissing? Are y'all fucking.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lavender marriage.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Ron's gay.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't either. And then we also have
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Cody and Robin going on their ATVs and he crashes
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: and I love it.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we can't. We can't. We can't do that.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: We cannot celebrate anybody's down home. I know it's done
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: a grave literally, but like we can't like celebrate somebody's
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: bad fortune.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: But it's a demon.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Also, it's just like how karma works. And sometimes karma
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: is filmed for television, so.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have a karma, Like we're gonna have bad
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: karma because we're wishing.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: That's how karma for him works and we just happened
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: to see it. Sometimes karma lets us watch somebody getting
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: their karma. But I doubt he's hurt, No doubt anything's
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: gonna come of that.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be like Robin when she crashed off.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: That was so great too. Sorry, oh we can't great dance.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: We can't see but that was that you're laughingnot.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: She wasn't you're laughing at her.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: It was so was so great that look, now I'm
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: gonna get hurt. This is something called bachi in Japanese lore,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: like when you say stuff, sometimes you connect yourself to
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: the sentiment of that and then it happens to fucking
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: use like.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be I don't want that, but
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Robin and Cody are literal demons.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Though, you're right, So you're right. It's fine, okay, okay,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: so noted. Anyway, that's it. Was there anything else that
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: we need to say to these beautiful raccoons before we
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: get up on out of here and before New Year's?
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Happy New Year's.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: You're watching this on Patreon because you get it early,
• 59:08
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• 59:09
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• 59:11
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• 59:14
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• 59:16
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• 59:17
  Speaker 3: And we'll see y'all next year.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, We'll be back next week to continue
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: our sister next year, to continue our sister wife's journey.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I am thinking this is the last episode of the season.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Before the tell Nothing, before the four part.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Tell Nothings that nobody asks for with Sokranya. Until then,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: please do not forget that we have nothing but love
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: for you and pease a night