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“That Topher Show Part 1” · Dos Amigos

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  Speaker 1: Why it's with great joy that I welcome you back
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  Speaker 1: into Those Amigos. I'm Wilmer Valderrama, and you know the
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  Speaker 1: show has started, as you know, these ongoing conversations and
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  Speaker 1: getting to know each other, and and in these conversations, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we discovered there were individuals along the way that that
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  Speaker 1: really kind of marked us, helped us and change us,
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  Speaker 1: and also inspired us in many ways. So it's with
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  Speaker 1: great joy that I introduced the first ever, the first
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  Speaker 1: ever guest yes on on those Amigos. Might be the
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  Speaker 1: last one. We'll see, you know, we'll see how this
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  Speaker 1: one goes. But we're gonna try this thing, you know, Freddie,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to meet so for Grace in the
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  Speaker 1: House for Grace legendary, one of the great, one of
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  Speaker 1: the legendary.
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  Speaker 2: And my thing I was going to do, which I
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  Speaker 2: won't do now, was was because I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: one of those podcasts were just walk in and start talking.
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  Speaker 2: It's clearly not.
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  Speaker 1: We're used to be that way, but they asked us
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  Speaker 1: to I do the show.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to do a whole like like you're
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  Speaker 2: from like seventies show, Yes you were great?
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  Speaker 1: What did you play? I was? I was on the
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  Speaker 1: seventies show were you like we were never seen? Man?
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  Speaker 2: Were you recurring or like?
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  Speaker 1: What were here? I was like really regular anyways. But
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  Speaker 1: but so you guys, haven't you guys haven't met or
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  Speaker 1: maybe cross backs.
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  Speaker 3: We must have crossed, yeah, yeah in the early two thousands,
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  Speaker 3: maybe when we were all out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I love this show. I love what you
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  Speaker 2: guys are doing. It's such a thank you, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I feel I feel like such an interloper here. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy to be your first guest.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, and we're so happy to have you man,
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  Speaker 1: and and so happy that with some homework. Oh there,
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  Speaker 1: she I have paper in my hand.
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  Speaker 2: I've never done this before, you know, to help your
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  Speaker 2: your listeners just said some experience, like what it's like
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  Speaker 2: to be a straight white? Now, how boring we are?
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to make this show a little more boring.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely never that. Never that. But starting into it, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of this show over to kind
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  Speaker 1: of tell you kind of you know, what they started.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of like this deep dives on like
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  Speaker 1: the things that kind of made us.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Like, I know, I've listened to it. That's why
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I doing here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the point is is that you have such an
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  Speaker 1: interesting perspective because I really believe very few people in
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  Speaker 1: entertainment has achieved what you have, specifically when they were
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  Speaker 1: given a responsibility to be a Nan Corona show. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about it, you were talking
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  Speaker 1: about it in the past, you know, and I had
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  Speaker 1: said that, you know that tofah, Grays have brought up
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  Speaker 1: to life Eric Foreman in a way that nobody else
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  Speaker 1: could have. And I would say this the rest, but
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of the guys, like you know, kurk
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  Speaker 1: Wit Smith, you couldn't think about anyone playing Red right.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the idea that at a time time
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  Speaker 1: where something so new and so disrupted to TV, you know,
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  Speaker 1: somehow we had the audacity to just come up with
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  Speaker 1: characters and be like, oh, this is what it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be, and then the writers be like, Okay, run
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  Speaker 1: with that. You know. But one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: I've always respected, and I've always said, you know aloud
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  Speaker 1: all the time, is that when I look back at
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  Speaker 1: what you had done with Eric Foreman, it was so
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  Speaker 1: it was unexpected, it was unpredictable, and and it kept
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  Speaker 1: audiences captivated that a leading character on a sitcom doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have to be the straight character, like the character that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really have the colors and the and and you
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  Speaker 1: you made something.
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  Speaker 2: It is a little bit and I remember on the
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  Speaker 2: page at the beginning, it was a little bit just
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  Speaker 2: the straight guy, like he just like, uh, like I'd
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  Speaker 2: set up everyone and and I remember setting you up.
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  Speaker 2: It was terrible, Like I technically had more lines, but
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  Speaker 2: every time Wilmer spoke, the audience would like stand up
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  Speaker 2: and applaud, and then I'd say another line, and then
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  Speaker 2: Ashton would say something that was like a huge hit
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  Speaker 2: or but over time, and that's the best thing about
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  Speaker 2: doing one of those shows. It's one of the things
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  Speaker 2: I hate when young actors, I mean, they aren't even
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  Speaker 2: that many sitcoms anymore, but uh, when they say I
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  Speaker 2: can't wait to get off of this show I'm doing
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  Speaker 2: and get into films. What I want to say is
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  Speaker 2: like this is the best training ground because when you stink,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean, we know we were there.
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  Speaker 1: Miss There was a lot of hits, but.
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  Speaker 2: Couple a couple of misses in a row at the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: and like, especially for me, I mean, I never remember,
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  Speaker 2: this is your first, your second professional job. I think
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  Speaker 2: you did.
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  Speaker 1: A Pacific Yah, Pacificos Marginal Pages.
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  Speaker 2: Commercially and I had done nothing, So that was that
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  Speaker 2: was your first A little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit about that because you you were you, you had
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  Speaker 1: you were doing theater and oh no, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: School. No, I didn't do anything. I'd done high school
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  Speaker 2: plays and not even that any and it was a
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  Speaker 2: bad drama program.
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  Speaker 1: Were you in high school when you got there?
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  Speaker 2: I was at a boarding school, which plays a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Wilman and I have also identical backgrounds, all right. So
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  Speaker 2: I was going to a boarding school in New Hampshire
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  Speaker 2: and the girl who did the sets, who Wilmer knows, Lindsay.
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  Speaker 2: Her parents were these amazing writers who changed all of
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  Speaker 2: our lives. They'd written on SNL and then they wrote
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  Speaker 2: the Wayne's World movie, Turner, the Brady Bunch movie, which
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  Speaker 2: is great, and Tommy Boy and they're just crushing it.
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  Speaker 2: And then they created Third Rock from the Sun, which
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  Speaker 2: is when I was at school with Lindsay, I was like, Johnow,
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  Speaker 2: this is incredible. Her parents just won the Golden Globe
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  Speaker 2: for sometimes, Like this is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And then.
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  Speaker 2: They saw this play that I did senior year and
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  Speaker 2: they kind of said, we know you're going to USC
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  Speaker 2: next year, ye can we call? And I was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea what they meant. You could not
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  Speaker 2: guess that they meant to be in something. And I'd
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  Speaker 2: only been in a couple of plays. And to let
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  Speaker 2: you know, how uh great a drama program the school had.
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  Speaker 2: We could only do plays. It had no sets, like
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  Speaker 2: this is the first play she did the set that
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  Speaker 2: like she stepped forward and said, like, we'll do like
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  Speaker 2: a wall, right, But it was all plays that like
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  Speaker 2: you know, god Spell in our town because there wasn't
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  Speaker 2: even a theater. It was like we go to like
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  Speaker 2: the church, right, you know, the kids were sitting the pews.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was like there was and it was
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  Speaker 2: not very good. I mean there clearly was like not
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  Speaker 2: a good theater program. But because of that we it
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  Speaker 2: actually reminded It's funny that you weren't there with me,
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  Speaker 2: but you kind of were in spirit in the sense
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  Speaker 2: that I was doing this with you then, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a year and a half later, but we were just
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  Speaker 2: kind of coming up with stuff we thought was interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Like the teacher who did it didn't even show up
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  Speaker 2: most of the time, so like we just add stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean's sacrilege. I literally think it's illegal to add
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  Speaker 2: so much stuff to a play that you're the school's
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  Speaker 2: playing the license or something. But we changed so much
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  Speaker 2: of things that I think maybe the turners saw like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: he's you know, it's not like when you go to
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  Speaker 2: see a good high school play and everyone it's like
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  Speaker 2: a Broadway musical, but but younger people or something like
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  Speaker 2: this was like totally.
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  Speaker 3: Weird, and so it wasn't like necessarily like a theater program.
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  Speaker 3: It was you all just kind of put together.
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  Speaker 2: Like a like a theater club or there was there was, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there was like there was gonna be a school play
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  Speaker 2: and there were auditions and and uh yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean it was But were you thinking like acting? Why not? Me? Like,
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  Speaker 1: were you thinking that at all? That would you just
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  Speaker 1: do it with creationally? Like what was your interest in it? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Because I thought it was neat. I mean I did
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  Speaker 2: the video of your book too. I thought anything that
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  Speaker 2: was like kind of creative and extracurricular. But then when
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  Speaker 2: I went to USC the next year, I did none
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  Speaker 2: of that. Like I didn't, but I had so many
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  Speaker 2: friends of the were actors because they all moved to
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  Speaker 2: La to to be in the business or be around it,
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  Speaker 2: and I got rejected from the film school. I thought,
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  Speaker 2: what am I even doing out here now? And then
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  Speaker 2: but have I ever really told you this? So Bonnie
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  Speaker 2: called me. I was in my dorm and some of
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  Speaker 2: the kids were smoking, I mean apropos of the show.
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  Speaker 2: They were smoking in my room and then the phone rings.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like hello, and she's like, hey, it's Bonnie and
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  Speaker 2: this is I was like Bonnie, like, who are Like
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  Speaker 2: do we hook up? Like? And she was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm your friend's mom. I'm I'm Lindsay's mom. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: can you swear on this podcast? I was like put
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  Speaker 2: it away, like we're gonna get attention or whatever. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, no, no, I'm calling you because I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it was so mind blowing to me. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: knew what they did and totally thought it was cool,
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  Speaker 2: but never thought I still was like, do you mean
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  Speaker 2: for me to be your assistant or like, what are
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  Speaker 2: you talking about. She's like, no, no, Basically, we've we've
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  Speaker 2: had every kid in Hollywood in they're all I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I realize now what she meant was like, they're all
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  Speaker 2: too cool. We want like a real nerd, like like
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  Speaker 2: a fresh from the tree, like like I was currently
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  Speaker 2: not getting laid in college. And I was like all right,
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  Speaker 2: and so I think she said, bring a head shot
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  Speaker 2: and a resume.
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  Speaker 1: This is how green eye like what it is a headshot?
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  Speaker 2: I said, what's it? I said, you know what a
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  Speaker 2: resume is because I had worked at Suncoast Video and
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  Speaker 2: Dunkin Donuts. But I was like, but what is a
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  Speaker 2: head shot? And she was like, oh God, like it's
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  Speaker 2: it's like a picture that goes with your resume. And
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  Speaker 2: when I brought it in, do you know this story? No?
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  Speaker 2: I brought it in. It was a piece of paper
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  Speaker 2: like this and paper clip to it was a picture
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  Speaker 2: of me and my friends at six Flags, like in
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  Speaker 2: the parking lot, like the story before. I've never heard
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  Speaker 2: this my kin code like like no, just a printed
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  Speaker 2: out like four.
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  Speaker 3: Six photos the one that you get from Costco and wow,
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  Speaker 3: like one that you had like in your photo album.
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  Speaker 2: So it was even album. It's just like a photo.
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  Speaker 2: I had it, all right, that's me and uh I
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  Speaker 2: put it. Uh I put it with the resume that
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  Speaker 2: said like you know sun Coast Video like night you know,
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  Speaker 2: like night shift Dunkin Donuts.
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  Speaker 1: I mean these people. I mean, it's the perfect pitch
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  Speaker 1: for Eric Foreman. I mean you really think about it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're right right making a way away. It's like the
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  Speaker 1: perfect pitch.
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  Speaker 2: I actually I had a lunch with Tom Warner Wants
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  Speaker 2: such a nice guy Lost, and he I think he
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  Speaker 2: admitted to me that they were like, we're just gonna
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  Speaker 2: bring this kid in so you can see what we're
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  Speaker 2: looking for, like we want someone like this. We don't
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  Speaker 2: actually we don't actually want like this guy is not
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  Speaker 2: an actor, Like we can't have him do it. And
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  Speaker 2: then and that's why. And then it went well enough
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  Speaker 2: that I uh, but I'll say in WILLM. Waldrama's book,
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  Speaker 2: which is very good, which I've read cover to cover,
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  Speaker 2: but you skipped through a bunch of it until I
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  Speaker 2: got to the part, you know, I read all which
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  Speaker 2: was written from an awesome perspective by it. I really
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  Speaker 2: loved it was really interesting to me to read that book,
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  Speaker 2: especially about our experience from your point of view. The
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  Speaker 2: best part is for me was that I like walked
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  Speaker 2: in and I mean, why don't you tell the story?
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  Speaker 2: Which when you first, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, this so I was like, so scared to make
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  Speaker 1: a mistake, right, Right, So you walk into an auditioning room, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you're like you sit in the chair that they
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  Speaker 1: somehow pointed at, you know what I mean, Like you
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  Speaker 1: just don't look, and you know you'll wait until they
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  Speaker 1: call your name. You like et everything by the book, right,
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  Speaker 1: You're like being invited into something that was so mysterious.
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  Speaker 1: So I didn't want to do anything that was like
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  Speaker 1: disrespectful or or like foreseen as like egotistic or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Just want of them, Like I just want to be
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  Speaker 1: a nice boy here, you know. And I'm sitting there
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  Speaker 1: and this dude walks in like he owns the place,
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  Speaker 1: goes straight to the to the refrigerator and like opens
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  Speaker 1: grabs the water and then picks up an apple and
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  Speaker 1: just like sits down. It's like eating what. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: like at the audition, I mean, I was like, for sure,
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  Speaker 1: these fucking guy's not getting the part. Like he's definitely
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  Speaker 1: not getting the part. And he goes in there and
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  Speaker 1: like grasps the water and he's drinking whatever, like doesn't
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  Speaker 1: matter to anybody, and all that stuffen.
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  Speaker 3: He's in there, and I was like, this guy is
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  Speaker 3: his energy is crazy, like I'm thinking, like, I'm thinking, like,
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  Speaker 3: who does that?
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  Speaker 2: Here's what you know. I already had the part. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know that, but yet I would never I was
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  Speaker 2: scared to.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, so this was audition or so you were
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  Speaker 3: sitting in the back, but no, I was in the
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  Speaker 3: waiting room and he was waiting to mister to.
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  Speaker 2: Read with people who played Laura's Park. So I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I had it. I've been there a couple of times.
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  Speaker 2: But even so, the thing I love about that story
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  Speaker 2: so much is how different our backgrounds are and how
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  Speaker 2: how entitled I probably was, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like even yes and no.
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  Speaker 1: But I think, you know what, the reason why I
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  Speaker 1: told the story that way is because from my perspective,
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh man, someone like that, like someone that fresh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is not gonna get this part, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? But literally, I know that he already
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  Speaker 1: in the park. He's been in displays a bunch of times. Right,
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  Speaker 1: he got the part. He obviously you know, knew you.
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  Speaker 2: Have to like this is what I can contribute to
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  Speaker 2: this podcast, because clearly I have a very different background
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  Speaker 2: from you guys. But the one of the most wonderful
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  Speaker 2: things that happened to me is I grew up in
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  Speaker 2: a very myopic, very affluent town in Connecticut. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's like just the total opposite of how Wilmer grew up.
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  Speaker 2: And I probably I don't want to get too corny,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it's like like a little miracle that
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  Speaker 2: I got the show. I mean, what a weird way
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  Speaker 2: to even get I mean it's a lottery ticket just
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  Speaker 2: to get a role. I've never auditioned for anything, but
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  Speaker 2: then to be forced into a group of people who
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  Speaker 2: are so that you never would have met, never would
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  Speaker 2: have hung out with, and especially that you and I
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  Speaker 2: had this incredible connection from day one. I mean you
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  Speaker 2: and I really became best friends right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: And then I would come over to his folks house
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  Speaker 2: and hang out a lot with your sisters.
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  Speaker 1: I lived with my family, you know, so when it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you want to come over, my mom was there, my
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  Speaker 1: dad is there, my mom is cooking the soups, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and like we have and just and.
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  Speaker 2: Just understanding the world from another point of view. I've
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  Speaker 2: been to boarding school, so there were people from different
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  Speaker 2: countries and stuff, but it was also myopic and the
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  Speaker 2: sense of like you know everyone was at a boarding school,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, So what was that like for.
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  Speaker 3: You to go to a Venezuelan slash Colombian house and
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  Speaker 3: to have dinner with this family whose language.
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  Speaker 2: It was incredible?
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you don't know what you don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I've learned about like growing up. I'm so
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  Speaker 2: glad I got out of that town because I know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people I grew up with. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I went to college and came right back to that town,
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: and so that alone was a victory. But then too,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you knew me. Then if I stayed in college,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like kind of a shy guy, and I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have done any of the things. I mean, we did
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: so many amazing things together. But but when I think
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: back about it, I mean sometimes i'd sleep over Wilmer's
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: house because it was because we were like teenagers, yeah,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: and like I'd go over there and have like I know,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: it was amazing, especially going through this thing where it's
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: like scary and you're getting famous and you don't understand
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: what's happening in your life. But then I have such
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: a good friend and to also have a a eye
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: opening experience about I don't think I was walking around entitled,
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  Speaker 2: like like within my community, I would have been seen
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: as a jerk. But I do think I wasn't, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean. That's like part of life has
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: grown up and realizing like where you came from.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: You always gonna have to give yourself some credit because
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: here's the thing you were. You were tossing to be
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the center nucleus of what was a prime time Fox
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: sitcom became the same sense in the act.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: I'm glad I was a little entitled. I know you
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: have to this will happened for me.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Do we talk about this in the show a few times,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: where like you have to have some kind of audacity,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: to audacity to think that you belong because nothing about
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: this industry tells you you you do right, Like a
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: lot of.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: The most of the industry made me feel pretty comfortable.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: When I was looking at my representation on screen, I thought, yeah,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: seems this is what how I grew up. But honestly,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: that's why it's so magical for me that I got.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: To and it.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like one of those movies where
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: someone has like a you know, it's such a natural
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: real experience. We just connected, you know, comedy and performing.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Is uh English that well at the time, truly, And.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I just learned English four years before that. That actually,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: no crazy years before that, because I had gotten to
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: the country four years before.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: When he says learned English, I would say he some
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: of English, but he was. But the thing, but the
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: the universal language you spoke was it's like past fail
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: on show night like. So first I had respect from
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: him because I was like, oh, this guy is hilarious.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: And then I started to get to know you, and
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I thought like, yeah, it's just very eye opening. It's
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: probably it's probably kind of life changing for me more
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: so than uh it was for you, I bet, even
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: though I'm sure a lot of.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Nobody because you have to understand so because I had
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: only been here a couple of years, meeting someone like him,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: who also, by the way, his family also took me
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: in the same way. You know, every time I see
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: his dad, you know he can you came.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey dad, he slept buped. I still
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: have my childhood bumped and he was.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Connecticut and it took the train over together and I
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's like in the movies.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Right, That's what he said, walk through the woods. We
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: have these woods behind our house, and I guess most
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: of the movies that are shot about the woods he'd
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: seen in movies. Yeah, he kept saying like this is
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: like a set. And my dad was like, what is
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: this kid talking about? Like these are the woods like
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: the league fakes?
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: But I got when you take a walk through his
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: backyard and he was like, you know, it's like the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: trees and it was fall right, so it was like
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: kind of like gloomy and a little bit spooky, and
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: it just looked like, oh, this is like like the
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: American towns that they make movies about, like like you
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: would see in the movies. Yes, dude, So I'm like, oh,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: this is so cool. Makes sense. And you know, got
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: to being his neighborhood and he's childled home and got
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: to sleep in the bunk beds and you know, but
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: that was our life. That was like, you know, most
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: of it, and we never lost that. We never lost that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: We were always like quoting movies and being clowns and
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: like just being kids. You know. It's I think it
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: attributed to how playful we were when we were creating
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: our characters because you you had to play and safe, dude,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and safe. We were safe because we weren't. We weren't
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: like you know, we weren't taking each other down for it,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and there's no competition. We all had a very specific contribution,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and we all stood to that lane and we respected
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: each other's lanes, and and it was just great because
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I knew that it was funny if he was, you know, laughing,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and like we were run jokes by each other, like oh,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you think this is funny, you think this is so that.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of kind of kind of how I work.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, to go back and to think about.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: So you had this experience coming to America that must
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: have been insane. I loved reading about it in your book.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: But but in a weird way, my experience was kind
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: of similar to getting about you because I went like, oh, oh, like,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: there's so much that's different, and yet we had so
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: much that was the same. And then you know, opened
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: my eyes to lots of different people since when I
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: met you.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: But the thing is like, nobody wanted to see us
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: as a hit for the first three years, so we
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: never really thought like, oh, this is gonna be forever.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, we were in this really
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: safe environment that all of a sudden it was like, oh,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you know, we're we're just giving it a shot, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: we're like, we.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Got picked up for two years.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Yeah, I think that happened when
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: in the second or third season.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I think in the second scene second, So we were
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: kind of like, we're here and that's a long time
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: when you're that age.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were doing twenty five a season, so we
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: got to.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Sit back and kind of feel kind of like what
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that show is supposed to feel like, like it's just
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: these people hanging out and then and then I man,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I haven't now with kids and stuff. I mean, you
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: never do this anymore. But to go to be rehearsing
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: a scene we're gonna hang out with someone and then
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: go hang out with them and watch TV and do
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the same stuff. Like I was just perfect. It was
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: perfect for me personally, and those are probably great for
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the job.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: You know. Absolutely.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: It's almost like you guys, I remember watching this like
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Beatles documentary and they were just talking about like you
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: don't you don't realize that they were together when they
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: were kids and then they went through this experience together
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: that only they.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Know what that analogy. I think we were a little
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: bit bigger than the Beatles.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I concur what was it like since?
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: And I've asked Wilmer this, I think it's just amazing
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: as as as we always talk about that, that that
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: that the layers continue to get uncovered and I get
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: to learn more about Wilmer through this experience.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: But it's it's.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Dawning more on me how young you two were and
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: what a special experience it must have been like for
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: you two. What was it like for you because this
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: was the first time you ever really tasted fame on
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: that level, and you guys.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Were to an extent like you guys are like a
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: cool like show.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: It was almost like must have been like being like
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: a cool rock band, you know, like that that kind
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: of reception and that kind of fame must have been
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: real similar, Like how was that for you, especially it being.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: The first time your first show.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Well, Wilmer handled it much better than I did. He's
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: he was already you were like famous in your high school.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I was in high school when I yah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you were like he's just the he is
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: a duck to water in terms of like, uh, you're
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: just one of those you know, like I I feel
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: like I have balls when I'm performing, but then when
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm kind of a shy guy.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: You're like more reserved in public. I think I'm a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: little bit more jazz hands, you know.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're just the mayor man. I mean,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: you're like, he's he's wonderful to everyone. Like he's the
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: way when you're not playing a bad guy, the way
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: his characters are nice and open is the way he
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: is as a person, and it's it's great to be right,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: And that also served for me as kind of a
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: learning experience. I remember one thing we like, I've never
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: been to like parties, even I've been to a couple
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: of parties in college, but they were like when you
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: had to rush fraternities, so they had to let you
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: in and then they're like, no, we don't want you,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: so like I'd never really been out. And then we
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: were going to, you know, some of the big clubs
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: in the world, you know, because the show was doing well,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: and I remember going to No, I remember going to
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: a party like in the Hills with you once. This
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: is such a good lesson and again, like not a
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: lesson I would have learned if I was hanging out
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: with a bunch of people that were like me, that
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I went to college with or whatever. But we went
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: to this party and there was it's probably there were
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: no girls there that I liked or something. But I
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: didn't think it was fun, Like it wasn't a fun
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: group of people, and Wilmer was like dancing with people
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and you know, like just making the party better basically. Yeah,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And I I remember saying like, let's get out of here,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: because anytime I didn't think it was gonna be the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: most fun ever. I was like this, get here, Let's
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: go to another thing. And Wilmer goes, why don't we
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: just stay here for another three hours? And I was
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: like why. You know, He's like, sometimes you got to
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: just I don't know exactly what your advice was, but
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: it was like, just this is where you are in life,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: like why don't we make this the party kind.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Of And I was like what?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: And then I realized it was such a valuable lesson
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: because we were having fun an hour later, and I
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is because of us and whatever.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I Sometimes I feel like I would have been a
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: whole other guy, you know what I mean? Like if
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I hadn't had certain people in my life, probably probably
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: much better. Guy.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: So what was it like like as as the show
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: began to ascend, you know, you were talking about how
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: it was fame wise, but how was it within the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: structure of the show did you feel a was it
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: just more cohesive?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: What was the chemistry like between you all as we
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: just went in. Was it just like a cool like
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: theater group like it just was?
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: It grew?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we had such a shorthand, you know, and
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: we were getting everything and one two takes one two takes.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I can't believe we have an actor to the other
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: in a while, especially nineties show which I did one
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: episode up.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we didn't a character to me.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I went to the taping of Wilmers because I and
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you came to taping Amon, which is great, but.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: We have to yeah, well we have to figure it
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: out because.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Only wait, wait, not even for the friendship element, which
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I would love to be hanging out with you every day,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: but just because it's so rare that you have that
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: kind of connection with someone, understands someone that well.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And artistically like you can build things artistically, you know,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: with when with people that they're not only understand like
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: your your strengths, yeah, but also like help you with
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: your weaknesses, you know what I mean, Like you're not
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: out there swinging by yourself when you're doing these You know,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: sometimes you get into a movie and you know you're
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: in the holding everyone's acting, and the people they don't
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: even want to run lines, right, they do, they don't
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: want to run lines. They don't want to like, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: hit each other off book and you're like, Okay, I
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: guess I'm mumbo myself here, right, and then.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: You know what you make me? Really remember, I don't
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: think I've ever even spoken to anyone about this. I
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: think a big part of the first year was being embarrassed.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: That was showing you guys what I was bad at,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: and also learning what everyone was bad at, which sounds
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: like I was being judgmental, but actually now that I
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: realized because it was going so well two or three
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: years later, that we were all like putting all our
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: cards on the table kind of a messy way because
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: then you have.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: To write, because that's the only thing that it works. Right.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by bad at what you well?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Look, look there was let me go through the list
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of what Wilmer's bad at. Do we have enough tape
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: in the camera?
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: He still remembers. Let it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: No, It's like, actually, that's funny because I actually wouldn't
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: know how to vocalize about any of those people what
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: they're bad at. I mean, essentially they're all very talented,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: but it's more like, uh no, I would say, like
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk to.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Finish each other's sentences, right, Like, like I think understanding
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the strengths and understanding like.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: What you know strengths it was more important because I
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: knew when to pass you the ball when I didn't
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: know how to do a joke like that. But then
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: also I think knowing people's what they're what, it's more
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: what they're not comfortable with and what they're probably good at.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Like probably some of those people were so young, they
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: probably have grown to be better at certain things, right,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: But at the time, you know, maybe we thought like
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: people are scared to do stuff and you're doing it
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: from a live audience or tanager.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: You could also fall in the trap of saying like, oh,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I guess this is how I'm being seen, So this
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: is how I need to then I have to do
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: that times three, right, and like it's finding the volume
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of like, okay, well, how much is too much when
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I do the thing that I'm supposed to be doing here.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: But I think that's you know, I come full circle
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to this. There was a settleness to our show. It
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: almost felt like a single camera we were playing for
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the people at home. And that's very different than a
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: lot of the sitcoms that that were happening, you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like the people sitcoms. We're playing the audience sometimes. But
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I think that we learned, you know, you had like
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Bunny and Terry Turner, David trainor who by the way.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look it wasn't I mean, there was. There
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: were so many great writers camp that show.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And I will and I also give David Trainer, our director,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: so much love, respect, emeration and risk, I mean, like
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and just like so much ovation because because you know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: you have to grab this really raw, talented group of
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: young people and you have to mold them into an
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: actual mainstream primetime sitcom. And I keep saying it because
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the people who don't remember that day Sunday Night between
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the Seees and some of the X Files. My god,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the responsibility you had to kind of stitch those two
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: shows together. We didn't feel that pressure until like later
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: when like Chris Carter and like, since.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I really hated us, yeah, let us know.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: It was really really let us know that they didn't
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: like us.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: But how did y'all handle that as a group as
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: as like you become like the rock stars of TV?
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Like, how do you handle that as teenagers? As a
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: as a group.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Well, it was interesting because for many years as soon
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: as the show ended, we will go to jers Delly.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well when there were different groups of friends, but
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Wilma and I would after almost every taping go to
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Jerry's famous.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Deli down the streets.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Two blocks away. We'd order French toast, and also we
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: would have invited some guests because it's like such a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: great thing that you work all week and then you
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: kind of take Friday nights. We'd say, like they show
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: up at like nine pm to our friend they'd watched
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the last part of the show, and then we'd go
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: with our friends to Jerry's and kind of I realized,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: now we're probably kind of coming down from the high
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: doing that show and tell their story. I'm sorry, I
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: feel like this is the nice photo document that I'm
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: getting older because it's like all I want to do
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: is reminisce and talk about but I the best part
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I was just driving past uh our old friend's house.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: At Brendan's house. The second year, we were starting to
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: be like, all right, we got this, like because you
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: get a summer break, and I think during the summer
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: break we like digested a little bit like okay, like
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: that wasn't so awful, and then when we came back,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: we felt like we had a you know, a little
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: bit more of an understanding of what we're doing. It
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: was starting to go well, and he'd made friends with
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: some guys that were on another show and they kind
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of didn't want to go out and party either or
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: didn't know what to do with that there.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: They were also like awkward about like a Hollywood party
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: or a red carpet. They were just like they were.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: So we started a monopoly group. To answer your question,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the most possibly it was the game Monopoly. One time
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: we bought Triopoly, which is unsanctioned by Parker Brothers. It's
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: like it took us ten hours start to finish because
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: it was like a layer cake that it was insane.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: But we we would go over and get pizza and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: play Monopoly for six or seven hours and the video
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: games and you went, I mean, you go, that's no
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: matter what we thought, we were still in that place
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: of like what will this experience become? And you go,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: you're having the best time. Yeah, right, And it really
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: was like it was it has a cross section with
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: really being young and then playing young and then actually
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: not being young anymore. But it was like such a
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: perfect gold and you knowed it.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, and like listen to answer, you know, that's
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the answer to the question. You know, like how did
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: we cope with it? They didn't actually now that we
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: ran away with it and ran away from it, we
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: kind of just set into like what we were. Yeah,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and we never and I and I say this, like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the cast of the show was the coolest cast period.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Like we didn't have to hang out with other people
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to be cool. We didn't care to hang out with
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: other people. And we were just like we had each other. Yeah,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: we had each other man and and you know, and
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I and I felt I felt accepted, I feel respected,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you know, I felt like I had real family, Like
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I have a real brother in him and and I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: felt safe to try and to soar and like and
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: you know, they gave me the Jews to be like, oh,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I can be more than fans after this, right, you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: because I would have these conversations and and you know
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: we both like, in between the summers, we will find gigs, right,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: we will find movies.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I remember coming in to see you on Party Monster, Yeah,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: and being like this is different when.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: You come to the summer Catch to the North Carolina.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I actually flew to North Carolina.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: He came to see me on the set of of
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Summer Catch with Freddie Prince Junior, Jessica Biell, and Matthew Lillar.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I just saw Matthew Lillard the other night, and he's
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: just the best reminiscent on that and he's just like
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: such a sweet, sweet guy. But he came to visit
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: me on the set of of of Summer Catch. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: we always made a point of like visiting each other
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: each other sets and and all that. Like I remember,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you know, you had gotten the Spider Man movie and.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: You were saying, no need to come, and you showed
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: up anyway.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, I need to see this dude. I
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: was like, I wanted to see him as Venom, you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And I went to the Sony studios.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And that was the first iteration of it, right,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: like yeah, and and I rolled up and he was
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: wearing that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: He was wearing the whole thing, and yeah, Like.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It was rough because the suit attached to your face.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: So it was like, yeah, it's like pooling on your phone, like, hey,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: how are you?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: What season was? He's like Bull Tax before Bull Tax,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like while you're in there, give me
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a little give me.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: A little lift, a little lift over your here. But
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I remember like geeking the hell out. Yeah, I'm like,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I'm walking walking in to see one of my best
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: friends and he's wearing the Venom suit.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Well, seeing you, I don't. I'm sure you guys have
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: a questions in a certain order, But now seeing where
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Wilma is in his career, you go, I mean, I
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: don't not to uh speak ill of anyone else's career,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: but the roles that are the really funny, wacky guy
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: on a sitcom are especially hard to get out of,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, Like it's a lot
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: easier to look at someone who's playing what my character was, Ok,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I see him in other things, like your role was
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: so hyper specific. I did totally support you and think
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: you were capable of it, but also thought this is
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: gonna be like a very hard journey and watch when
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I see you. For some reason, our TV tunes, we've
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: cut the cable, right, so we're only we only watch
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: stuff on Paramount Plus or whatever. But when we turn
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: on the TV, there's always I don't know what, there's
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: some channel that's like on and it's always an ad
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: for your show, right, Like I would not design it
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: that way. It's a little just because because you're always
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: got a gun in someone's face, like my kids are.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: We're about to try to watch Disney or watching him
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: do get from point A to point B. That's so like,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: it just hats off to you because I actually think
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that's there's a couple of things that are hard about that,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: but especially that everyone's saying, like, you know, we go
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: out and people say do the voice. I was like,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: good luck now this one, like yeah, and you did it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Man. I mean it's like I still get it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: But people are probably now like, yeah, but can he
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: do comedy?
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Bro? You know what I mean? Yeah? For reals, for reals.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Some people are trying to like, oh, man, come back
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: to comedy, like you know, what are you doing? Like
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: what are you doing doing drama? Like you should come
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: back to comedy. You're funny.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I mean you can do both, man, you can do both.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could totally do both. But I do love comedy.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: But I think being able to have gone to all
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the different places, I think, what's the most fulfilling thing
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I could have ever done. Yeah, I feel I feel
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: very comfortable popping in and out of things. And I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: also feel very comfortable like blending both both of them
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: into characters and stuff.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: But but you live by Screech, you look at Oracle,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: you have you know, these roles are like impossible to
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: shake off.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, I mean I took a lot of
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: inspiration that we were one of the first TV casts.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I think it was Dawson's Creek and us the first
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: cast that during the summer they go do a movie,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: like most TV casts were like they just take the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: right to take the months off because he's a long thing.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: But we were so young, we had the energy. So
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: on the summer we would go find gigs. You'd go
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: do a movie with Carle Johansson and you know, and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: is that how you knew that the show was really ascending?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: That you all started to get well, it was shifting
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the paradigm on television and film. We're shifting. Films were
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: getting smarter understanding that that some TV actors could be
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: real estate for actual films and they could say, like, oh,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: they actually are a draw, they actually are in front
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: of twenty million people a week. How are we not
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: leveraging that? That's why James Vanerviek and Katie Holmes and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Joshua Jackson, like all of these guys were out there
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: doing all these movies.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Whatever happened to Michelle Williams man.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Work?
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: So did she work after that show?
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: You what I mean? Williams Like they went out there
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and they'd been a beautiful transition and they go back
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and forth.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: What was the first movie that both of you did
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: while you were doing seventy show that made you? That
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: made you say that, that made you go?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I went to see him on Summer Catch That was
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: that was my first movie. It was the Summer Catch
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: to the Traffic.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that same summer, By the way, Traffic was his
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: first movie off the off the show, No Way man.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: But but but I remember, you know what I could
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: tell This is so tough because I could tell so
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: many stories about you. It's almost like I'd rather you.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I never talked about my wife and interviews either, because
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I always feel like I'm about to, like I start
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: saying my wedding vows like it's people like just relaxed.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: But I feel the same way. I like, too much
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: time has gone by.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: But but but it was that.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Alone, just coming to just me going to see Summer Catch.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I wasn't even in it.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: It was like an incredible experience. And then I was like, Okay,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: this is how films work. And then I went and
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: did a film for the first time.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: It was cool.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: You didn't just do a film like your first film
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Out the Gate was with Soderberg.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: That was and what was amazing. I mean, like Wilmer's right,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the thing that people don't give it credit for. Especially
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: this is what I was saying when young people are saying, like,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: wish you could get into films, I'm like, the way
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: you should use especially a sitcom, which they don't make
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: that much of anymore, is it it's live but it's
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: a film. There's filmic elements there's live in front of
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: an audience elements, so you're learning both. There's the every
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: week element, so when you're bad, you get to come
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: right back try it again. And then there's the summer
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: where you get to go do something. I was playing
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: a crack addict in that movie. And then you get
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: to come back to your home base. So you try something,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: you go like what was that, You kind of meditate
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: on it for the year while you're in the safe
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: role that you know how to play, and then you
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: have another summer to try something new. It's the greatest
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: kind of boot camp slash graduate school, right, I think.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you were working with Soderberg, was that like
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: was there ever a moment when you were like, Oh,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: this is like this is how happening, This is like,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: you know, this is the show that I'm doing has
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: led me to this gigantic movie.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think he was outaware of that seventy show
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: at the time, but I do because it'd only been
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: on for forty episodes or something, and I don't think
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: he watched it. But but but what it what I
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: did realize was for me that I didn't want to
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: have a career where I was playing the same role
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: over and over again, which which is, by the way,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the way to be a bigger actor or a bigger
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: start is if you I mean, I'm I tell my
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: agents that they were like, oh cool, like every time
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: you'll start from zero. But I actually do think that
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: if you want to make money, if you want to
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: be a big star, you should you should have the
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: same role and you kind of apply it to each film.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: And what I love or what gets me still excited
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: about acting, it's been years since we started that show
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: is doing something different every single time. I just played
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: a just gonna sound like traffic because I played like
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: a heroin Dealer.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: But I but you were dealing know these you were
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: in No, no, No, I was like the head dealer.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: It's a major come up for sure. I think it's
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: an evolution of the same rendition.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's up in the world. But but I but
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I love and then I'll go do something.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: But which movie you talk about?
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: You talk about this is a Netflix show I did,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: which by the way, was in Southport where you did
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Summer catch All. I was teary eyed about that one.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: So cool. Where were where was what you was talking about?
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about the movie you just say way,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Mar Welbur No, this.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Is a Netflix show called The Waterfront where I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: but I just got off of a show where I
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: was playing a good guy for three years. And it's
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: like to me, I don't know how you guys, I
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: mean your actors, and probably feel the same way with
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: your actors, But don't you feel like when you're doing
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: different things like that is the like, the the differential
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: is what make keeps that spark live. And if you
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: did the same things over and over again after a while,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you like, I just feel like I just say I
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: want to I don't want to do this, or would
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: just the work would get bad.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, we we we had this conversation. I
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: think that the whole character actor thing is very synonymous
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: with our generation, and I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I just don't think it's as important with this newer generation.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I think when we were coming up, we were coming
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: up watching de Niro and Paccino and Hoffman and then
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: how they were transforming into these different characters.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: They feel like they were telling stories.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was the thing to do that that
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: that that was the way to show how good of
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: an actor you wore is to transform and to be
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: a character actor, And like, I don't I still see it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, you know, I just I just
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: don't see it as much. I don't feel like the
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: importance is as much as actors from our generation.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you disagree? No, you might be right.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't really thought about it. Yeah, I don't
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: know any of this. I have three kids, don't know
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: what any these young actors are. I know all the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: actors our age and above.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have you ever worked with a cyburb?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I haven't.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Now, Oh you love it. I mean it's the I
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: was in the moment I was doing it. I was
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: sad that it was my first job because I was like,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I know, I can't fully appreciate this the way I should.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, he shoots it. He's literally the guy behind
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the camera. He's just all available light. You do like
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: two takes, you move on. It was we were ahead
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: of schedule the whole time. He wants to say some
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: of you will just kind of move the camera and
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: talk to you.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: And I mean it was like, I mean he's just
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: won the Oscar for that, right, Yeah. I mean that
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: that movie just swept I remember that. I mean it
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: just it's like you hadn't seen anything like that in
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a long time.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: And I think that Erica, Erica became friends with it.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: She came and did the show, became a good friend
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: of ours.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who's Who's who? Also had the same passion for
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Jerry's DELI.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: You know that's right, you had a lot of Jerry.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: So she shout out to her. And she's doing amazing
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: by the way, She's like out there doing amazing shows
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and amazing TV. I think she's on Will Trent right
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: now with oh yeah and doing awesome. I bumped into
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: her cup like last year, and man, we were reminiscing
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: She was like seventeen, yeah, like it was, and we're
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: doing these scenes where we're like doing, oh whatever, this
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: drug is together. It was like a made up drug
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: for the movie. But were all that's like freebasing.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah scene. She had this scene in Traffic that was
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: so god wrenching and yeah, and she's just because she.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Played Michael Douglas's daughter, right, and he was the head
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: of the DA right.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Wow, you haven't seen that film in a while.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: What was that like to have like a number one
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: movie out, a number one TV show and.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Pretty Oscars the first one out of the bat Oscars movie.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Like I went to a couple of fun parties because
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: of that. I think, how old were you when that
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: who twenty one or something?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, like it was twenty one, number one movie,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: number one show.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know it was work nothing that Wilmore
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: didn't come with me too. I remember showing you. I
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: had you do a very early screening of Remember You,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: and Laura came and you know what, you know what
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I hope this doesn't embarrass you. It's so
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: many years since that film came out, Wilmer, this is
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: how close we were, And I go, I'm mad. I
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: don't even have anyone in my life like this now
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: where I said, how was I in that? And he
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: told me the one part where I wasn't good and
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: you were right, And that's so invaluable as an actor,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like to have something
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: like my own manager probably now wouldn't tell me, do.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like you were honestly asking me,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: yeah I wasn't it. I actually want to ask him
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: and they just want to just hear, oh you're great,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: you know, but he was trying to figure out you're
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: trying to next take, right, Like we had that relationship.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: That's right when you know, like if I do a
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: joke on the show and he'd be like, do one more,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: you know, he would have just you know, he was right.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: That's how safe we were with each other. I mean,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: no one who's outside of the industry who's watching this
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: would understand, like it's it's a real faux pa if
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: someone even just finishes it take and says is that good?
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Like just everyone would say, yeah, great job. Like no
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: one would be like, oh dude, like no, but that's
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: how safe we were with each other. That you were.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: And that was the first film I've been in, so
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I actually wanted to know, and I was.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I was really emotional watching you in that movie because
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: you see, you know, one of your best friends, you know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Slash Brothers, who you're like literally experiencing. By the way,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: by twenty one, we've been doing the show for now
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: for two years, so whatever, and like he's on screen,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Michael Douglas, Contheter, Sinta Jones, Don cheetos Mine Benissu, Litoral
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Jacob bargas.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Jake, He's great, yeah, and I'm like.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: There he is, there are It's like it was just
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: really emotional for me because it tells you it's possible,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: right Like also, like you know, I never thought I
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: was any different, you know until for so his wins
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: were like my wins, bro, Like shit, we're doing it man,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: like that and that and that's something I'll never forget
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: because to your point, rarely we have that, you know,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: we rarely have individuals around us that to remind us
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: what it was like how it turned out and like
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: still be here to see you where you're gonna go next.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: And that's the part where like, you know, you talk
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: about getting cornered, like you know, I I live that truth.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: And you know, after so many years in the game,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: we're going on almost thirty years in the game, you
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: start thinking about, you know, like who you surround yourself
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: with in time does its job on? Like who's not
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: supposed to be there anymore?
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And then one day you look around and like
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: we're still here, right, Like this is there interesting things?
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I mean the same thing with Freddie. Freddy's also been
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  Speaker 1: you know as an actor, you know, to see him
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  Speaker 1: work with some of the grades. It's also been you know, emotional, right.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about cultural representation, you talk about you know
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  Speaker 1: people that played roles.
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  Speaker 2: That you're you're a fantastic actor. I mean we just
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  Speaker 2: met when I walked in here. But I'm so thrilled
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  Speaker 2: to thank you. Hopefully we work together at some point. Man,
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  Speaker 2: there's too much gold here, too much, guys, Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: but in too.
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  Speaker 1: So fore you're giving us too much gold Man told
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  Speaker 1: him that so rich, so rich when he touched your lips.
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  Speaker 1: So this is this is part one. We cover a
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  Speaker 1: lot of nostalgia here and all that and excited for
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  Speaker 1: for you guys all to experience Part two. I'm Wilmer Valdorama,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Freddie Rodriguez, and this is Doosmos.
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  Speaker 3: Is a production from w V Sound and iHeartMedia's Michael
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  Speaker 3: through That Podcast Network, hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez and
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  Speaker 3: Wilmer of Aaldorama.
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  Speaker 5: Those Amigos is produced by Aaron Burlon and Sophie Spencer's Abbos.
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  Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Wilmer of Aaldorama, Freddie Rodriguez, Aaron Burlson,
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  Speaker 3: and Leo Klem at w V Sound.
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  Speaker 1: This episode was shot and edited.
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  Speaker 5: It by Ryan Posts and mixed by Sean Tracy and
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  Speaker 5: features original music by Madison Devenport and Halo boy Our.
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  Speaker 3: Cover art photography is by David Avalos and designed by
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  Speaker 3: Deny Holtzkau And.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for being here third Amigo today. I appreciate
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  Speaker 5: you guys always listening to those amigos.
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  Speaker 3: A more podcasts from my Heart, visit the I Heart
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  Speaker 3: Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your
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  Speaker 3: favorite shows.
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  Speaker 1: So you next week