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2013 Legion of Boom vs. 2015 No Fly Zone: Richard Sherman & TJ Ward DEBATE Seahawks-Broncos defenses · The Richard Sherman Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And today we got an incredible guest, TJ Ward, former
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  Speaker 1: Daylight Soile High School, former Oregon Duck, all Pro for
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  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, former Denver Broncos.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you've been everywhere, TJ. Brother. Appreciate you joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Hey man, no doubt. Thanks for having me, Sharon. Man,
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  Speaker 3: it's a pleasure. Great seeing you doing your thing on
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  Speaker 3: every platform.
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  Speaker 1: Man, trying to up. Man, I'm trying to catch up.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on. Brother, I see you grind it,
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  Speaker 1: got your own part, doing your thing. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a fun discussion, man.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I can't wait always is man.
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  Speaker 3: I tell people all the time. Man, we go back
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  Speaker 3: to college when we was battling on Rainbow six on
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  Speaker 3: the PlayStation two back in the day. Man, take me back, man,
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  Speaker 3: we used to be man, good time good tide. Man,
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  Speaker 3: it seemed like it seemed like forever ago. But man,
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  Speaker 3: none the less man. Glad to be here, Glad to
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  Speaker 3: be here. Yeah, so let's commence with the show. Let's
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  Speaker 3: commence with the show. Man. It's been a few weeks
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  Speaker 3: since we've been kind of going back and forth on
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  Speaker 3: our opinions about our great defenses. And let's get that understood. First, Man,
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  Speaker 3: we both played for two of the greatest defenses ever. Right,
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  Speaker 3: that's an honor and a privilege. And I know you
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  Speaker 3: feel how I feel about my defense and my secondary,
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  Speaker 3: and you feel how you feel about your defense and
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  Speaker 3: your secondary. But nonetheless, man, a handful of amazing players
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  Speaker 3: on both ends. But we must figure out who's number
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  Speaker 3: one in.
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  Speaker 1: The debate, right, we gotta we gotta figure that out.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be a fun debate. I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to sift through it line by line and figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: Because leave leap leaving, uh and Skip just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: start some stuff. That's what it was. Leave and Skip
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to start some No, and I said, and
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  Speaker 1: I love leave to death. Lee was with us on
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  Speaker 1: Amazon at first, and then things you know, didn't didn't
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  Speaker 1: situate like like they should have and didn't work out.
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  Speaker 1: But he's doing a great job with Skip. But I
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  Speaker 1: was like when he when he said it, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I want to be with you, Lee, but
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  Speaker 1: everybody gonna say I said I told somebody else this.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, man, he said he was better than you.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I said, you ain't gonna find a corner
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  Speaker 1: in this world that don't say they the best. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and and rightfully so like Leeve was nice too, and
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  Speaker 1: people don't give Leave enough credit. Lee was like that,
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  Speaker 1: like that you're talking about ten pick sixes, Leave strapping.
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  Speaker 1: He talking crazy. If it wasn't for the off the
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  Speaker 1: field stuff, they would talk about Leave so much differently.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I tell people all the time. Lee
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  Speaker 1: played at a high level. But then he said the
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  Speaker 1: whole the Hey, the secondary was better and he would
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  Speaker 1: have been the best on both secondaries.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, leave now now alone.
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  Speaker 1: Now we had some guys over there, now leave, Yeah
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  Speaker 1: we could play.
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  Speaker 2: What episode was that was that?
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  Speaker 3: I was wondering because people was like asked me, like, like,
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  Speaker 3: where did this come from? I'm like maybe it was
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  Speaker 3: something on the grid on or when we did the
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  Speaker 3: top of on me and Leave had did like a
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  Speaker 3: TikTok cut or something we had named the top defenses,
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  Speaker 3: right I had you guys?
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  Speaker 1: Was that it no, no, no, this was Leave and
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  Speaker 1: Skip and it was on it was on their show,
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  Speaker 1: their their show, and you know, Skip Skip trying to
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  Speaker 1: start stuff. Skip's like, you know, I thought I thought
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  Speaker 1: you were better than sir. I just thought you were better,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, and it's fine. But then Lee started
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  Speaker 1: to speak about the two secondaries and said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: speaking about himself, and and you know how you know,
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  Speaker 1: if he had to be if he had to say anything,
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  Speaker 1: he taking him all day, either secondary, either anybody in
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  Speaker 1: either secondary. I'm taking me. I'm the best player and
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  Speaker 1: on either secondary. And I was like, okay, leave, like
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  Speaker 1: we'll we'll go. And then he was like, no, flies
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  Speaker 1: on and what y'all did, and how people would prefer
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  Speaker 1: to watch y'all and if if if he had to
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  Speaker 1: pick which secondary was better, he would say, y'all secondary
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  Speaker 1: was better.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, leave, Now I gotta say something.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta say, yeah, yeah, I gotta saying.
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  Speaker 3: He said, like our defense was sexier, right, and I'm sexier.
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  Speaker 2: Would be the word I would use I would just
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  Speaker 2: be more. We were more.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, just more in your face style, right.
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  Speaker 3: We we had to play man. We was pressing all
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  Speaker 3: the time. We blitched a lot are We had two
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  Speaker 3: of the best pass rushers ever to play the game,
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  Speaker 3: the Marcus where And and Von Miller. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: pass rush and secondary goes hand in hand. You know,
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  Speaker 3: whoever gets the creditors, whoever get the credits, We locked
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  Speaker 3: it down on the back end. They get the sacks,
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  Speaker 3: they get the quarterback first, we get the pbu's the
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  Speaker 3: interceptions or the just the sacks, right So, and the
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  Speaker 3: sacks is one thing that I'm going leanto, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not only just the d ns in the in the
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  Speaker 3: in the pressure, but you know it's a secondary status
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  Speaker 3: well because you know, we gotta do what we gotta
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  Speaker 3: do on the back end and a lot occasions to
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  Speaker 3: make those sacks happen.
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  Speaker 2: So and you know, I like to prior myself in
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  Speaker 2: being such a great blitter.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean I had two sacks that season, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a few pressures, but you know I was always had
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  Speaker 3: to be accounted for in the pass rush, right so
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think we had fifty two sacks that year,
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  Speaker 3: fifty two sacks that year. Just going over the quick basis, right,
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  Speaker 3: you guys had, you know, points per game. You got
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  Speaker 3: us fourteen point four our eighteen point five total yards.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all had us two seventy three to two eighty three
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  Speaker 3: our twenty seven takeaways to y'all thirty nine our fourteen
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  Speaker 3: picks to your twenty eight picks. Right, Hey, when you
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  Speaker 3: look at that, y'all got it right. But the only
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  Speaker 3: thing that I would eject in those stats, and I say,
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  Speaker 3: you know how many times we had to.
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  Speaker 2: Go on the field because of our giveaways? Right.
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  Speaker 3: You don't like to say what the offense, You know,
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  Speaker 3: how the offense attributes to great defense. But I have
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  Speaker 3: to say that that matters, Sam, and I have to
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  Speaker 3: say that matters just because.
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  Speaker 2: It is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Right, It's a fact like when you hit the field
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  Speaker 3: more when you have to play a certain style of
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  Speaker 3: defense to not only push opposing offenses out of scoring range,
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  Speaker 3: but you play a style that we have to get
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  Speaker 3: what we have to get right now, Like we don't
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  Speaker 3: have the time to or the luxury to trap offenses. Right,
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  Speaker 3: you guys had a lot of turnovers, not that we
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  Speaker 3: can't deny that.
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  Speaker 2: We can't deny that, but.
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  Speaker 3: I feel that you guys had the luxury provided by
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  Speaker 3: your offense not turning the ball over.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to down.
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  Speaker 3: Our offense like that because you know, I always say
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  Speaker 3: this in every interview, when we needed something from our offense,
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  Speaker 3: whether it was a last drive, whether it was a
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  Speaker 3: touchdown or first down, they came through in critical moments.
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  Speaker 3: So they did what they had to do in those instances.
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  Speaker 3: But like thirty one, I think it was thirty one
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  Speaker 3: turnovers to Seattle twenty thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks was nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: Which was the fourth fewest, and ours were the fourth
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  Speaker 3: the fourth highest.
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  Speaker 1: But that's see, that's where I'm gonna go. I'll accept
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  Speaker 1: what you're arguing, but I will I will raise you.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have you ever heard of a two thousand
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  Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. I have you know who played quarterback for
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  Speaker 1: them for that season? I do, and I'm glad you
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  Speaker 1: brought that up.
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  Speaker 2: But finish it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it was Trent Dilferd believe right, and Trent deal
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  Speaker 3: for for half the year and Tony Banks for Tony
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  Speaker 3: Banks for half the season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, Yeah, it wasn't not scoring a lot of
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  Speaker 1: not scoring a lot of talents.
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  Speaker 2: But what they did do they protected the football. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they were.
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  Speaker 1: They had the nineteen interceptions between they had how many interceptions?
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  Speaker 1: Nineteen nineteen picks, but they didn't have I think they
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  Speaker 1: only had four fumbles. They were like the number one
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  Speaker 1: in the league in protecting the football, running the.
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  Speaker 2: Ball right, maybe maybe running the football, but they had nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: And so let's let's put them at twenty two turnovers.
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  Speaker 2: Mhm. I mean that's not thirty one. This is a
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  Speaker 2: whole this is a whole different league.
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  Speaker 1: But what I yeah, I'm saying is in this, in
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  Speaker 1: this situation, we're we're saying, y'all, y'all, they they had
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  Speaker 1: we had nineteen, y'all had thirty one. We also added
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  Speaker 1: twelve takeaways, so we gave them twelve more possessions. We
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  Speaker 1: gave them twelve more possessions. And I would and I would,
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  Speaker 1: I would argue because I want to. I'm gonna clear
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  Speaker 1: this missnover up because I get tired of people saying,
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  Speaker 1: y'all just setting zone all day like that boy on
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  Speaker 1: third down. We and man, just like everybody else, everybody
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  Speaker 1: in the National Football league, third and five, three to
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  Speaker 1: maybe seven eight, just about everybody playing man. After that,
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  Speaker 1: it might go zone. You might go a little, you know,
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  Speaker 1: third and ten plus, you might go loose. Two, you
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  Speaker 1: might go three. You might go a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But third and five we and.
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  Speaker 2: Man of man.
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  Speaker 1: We and man of man, and we played man just
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  Speaker 1: and we played press. And anytime you didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: number two to receive it, your side and you that corner,
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  Speaker 1: you and man, you and man, you got him. If
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  Speaker 1: he go up top, that's you. If he won a dig,
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  Speaker 1: that's you. If he won us slant, that's you. If
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  Speaker 1: he catch that rock, that's on you. But so I
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  Speaker 1: want to I want to give that. And we were
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  Speaker 1: as in your face talk shit as anybody in the league.
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  Speaker 1: We taking the ball, talking crazy, talking record. I mean
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  Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl he was talking reckless to Peyton
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  Speaker 1: and all in boys because we didn't like we didn't
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  Speaker 1: like how they how they was talking. Uh in the
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  Speaker 1: media that week. I mean you talk about the ship
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  Speaker 1: up said at the Crabtree in the NFC Championship it
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  Speaker 1: was and we was talking, yeah, we was talking cash yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we running and hitting. We went in hitting, y'all
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  Speaker 1: was running and hitting. Two you and Darien y'all was
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  Speaker 1: back there smacking. Yeah, everybody know what Cam didn't done.
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  Speaker 2: It's legendary.
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  Speaker 1: Earl was out there hitting, and then we can we
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  Speaker 1: can go through the front. I wanted, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: keep it in the secondary for a second, but y'all,
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  Speaker 1: y'all had the two Hall of famers up front.
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  Speaker 2: We had.
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  Speaker 1: We had Chris Clemens was was a great rusher. Our
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  Speaker 1: starters were at end where Red Bryant and Chris Clemens.
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  Speaker 1: Then me bang some dogs April Red and me bang
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  Speaker 1: some dogs. Big dogs. Yeah, big dogs, big dogs. Mike
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  Speaker 1: b and Cliff the year we won the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: were rotate and that was the first year they got there.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't even starters yet. They didn't start till the
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  Speaker 1: next year. And that's what Bob people don't understand. That's
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  Speaker 1: how deep the d line was. Them two dudes was
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  Speaker 1: probably our best rushers, I mean, our best rushers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they didn't even start. Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Shit, we had you know, Shaq Beard coming off and
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  Speaker 3: in first round pick Shane Ray, Shane Ray was coming off,
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  Speaker 3: and then you know, inside, I think it was probably
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  Speaker 3: our most underrated part was Dereck Wolf and Leik Jackson
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  Speaker 3: and Slim that's the Selvester Williams two inside, then them
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  Speaker 3: three on a rotation.
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  Speaker 2: Especially in past Russ situations.
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  Speaker 3: I felt were, you know, three of the best interior
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  Speaker 3: pass rushers in the game at that point, right.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: But see that's why I get. I get I kept
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  Speaker 1: it with the secondary for him because I was like,
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  Speaker 1: if we talked Secretary Lee, this is this is not
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  Speaker 1: going to be the discussion you think it is, because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we we took the ball away at
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  Speaker 1: a high level.
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  Speaker 2: Even Byron.
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell had four interceptions, Earl had five. H I believe
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  Speaker 1: Cam had three, yeah, and then I had eight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Cam had yeah, Cam had three, Max
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  Speaker 3: had four, Earl had five. But you gotta that's to
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  Speaker 3: the that's to the cover three man. You guys always
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  Speaker 3: had eyes on the ball.
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  Speaker 1: And but but what what I'm saying is I had
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  Speaker 1: I had four of them in man. So that's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, it's I could I could, I could
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  Speaker 1: listen to the cover three thing, but I could say
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  Speaker 1: we played a lot of man too when we needed to.
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  Speaker 2: We need to really strap down.
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  Speaker 1: We strapped, especially when we're playing San Francisco because theydn'td
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  Speaker 1: have no receivers like that. We're like, hey, press, everybody, press, we.
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  Speaker 3: Man, they ain't had no receivers, then they ain't had
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  Speaker 3: no quarterback all due respect, I mean, Colin cap you
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  Speaker 3: should have seen.
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  Speaker 2: What we did to that boy the year right four.
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  Speaker 2: You know who did have a quarterback, The Broncos. They
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  Speaker 2: had a quarterback who set the record for touchdown passes
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  Speaker 2: with fifty five yeah, and fifty five hundred or three
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  Speaker 2: hundred yards, and we strapped them up too, strapped them up.
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  Speaker 2: I think that shit.
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  Speaker 3: I think honestly, I think that game got out of
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  Speaker 3: hand early.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they snapped the.
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  Speaker 3: Ball over for the safety and your offense was scoring
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  Speaker 3: at will on them boys, they wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Our offense scored like two touchdowns, Like our offense didn't
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  Speaker 1: score until like the second quarter.
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  Speaker 3: Like y'all had the Malcolm Malcolm my dog mouth shout out,
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  Speaker 3: Mount had his interception.
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  Speaker 1: What was that the third quarter for the touchdown. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't get out of hand till the second half.
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  Speaker 1: Like it was a close game unt until the second half.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was eight to nothing until middle of
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  Speaker 1: the second or middle of the and I think that
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  Speaker 1: might have been our first touchdown from our offense.
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  Speaker 2: And it was fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like they didn't get out of hand until
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  Speaker 1: late we start punishing it, punishing them. But a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that game happened because we watched the tape of
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  Speaker 1: them boys.
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  Speaker 2: And I love.
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  Speaker 1: The Marius and what he did and Decker and Welker
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  Speaker 1: and all the boys. But when we watched him on tape,
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  Speaker 1: people was just getting tired. Like that was the big
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  Speaker 1: thing from that game. Like we were watching them and
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  Speaker 1: watching him beat beat the heck out of everybody, and
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  Speaker 1: everybody was just getting tired. They was running simple stuff.
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  Speaker 1: They was running like day one, day two install of
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  Speaker 1: training camp. Like it wasn't like they was running some
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  Speaker 1: complicated They running drive, basic, slat flat, curl flat, like
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  Speaker 1: simple stuff TJ.
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  Speaker 2: But everybody was.
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  Speaker 1: They was getting to the line quick, people trying to adjust,
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  Speaker 1: people trying to check people ain't lined up, and they
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  Speaker 1: just efficient.
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  Speaker 3: It was a speed offense, but that that running game.
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  Speaker 2: The thing I say.
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  Speaker 3: They scored a lot of points, like you said, because
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  Speaker 3: you know they were they were on the ball, very
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  Speaker 3: high tempo offense, like a Chip Kelly offense almost in
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  Speaker 3: the League, right, they could not run the ball, so
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  Speaker 3: expecting anything but past. You know, I think who was
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  Speaker 3: the running back they had that year. It wasn't no Sean.
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  Speaker 3: It was ball, money ball. It was money ball. It
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  Speaker 3: might have been a combos, a couple of people. But yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah. But also we're gonna flip it and go
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  Speaker 3: to the Broncos defenses that year, right once they got
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  Speaker 3: all them injuries out the way.
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  Speaker 2: Von Miller didn't play in that game. Chris Harrison didn't
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  Speaker 2: play in that game.
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  Speaker 3: Derek Wolf didn't play in that game. Uh, who else
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  Speaker 3: didn't playing that game? Kevin Vickerson didn't play in that game?
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  Speaker 3: Raheem more than playing that game. Would you not say
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  Speaker 3: that your offense really controlled the ball that game and
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  Speaker 3: really went up up and down the field with no
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  Speaker 3: turnovers against that Broncos.
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  Speaker 1: I would not. I would tell you to watch the game.
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  Speaker 1: I would tell you they had a couple three and
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  Speaker 1: outs early in that game. They were not doing well.
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  Speaker 1: They were not moving the balls particularly well. We got
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  Speaker 1: held to three points multiple drives early on, like they
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  Speaker 1: were getting held to three point three point like it
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  Speaker 1: was eight to ozer because they we had two field
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  Speaker 1: goals in a safety like, but I would say our offense,
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  Speaker 1: I mean rush through for two touchdowns, I think two
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  Speaker 1: hundred yards. Like, it wasn't a crazy, crazy game for
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  Speaker 1: him by any stretch of imagination. You know what it
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: was Percy. Percy had a return touchdown, Yeah, that was
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: We had a defensive touchdown. We had a two point conversion.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: So that's that's that's sixteen, So sixteen of the forty three,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: So that's you know what I mean. Like then the
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: rest of the offense, I think Marshawn might have had
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: two tugs. Like, But what I'm saying is in this,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: in this general in this defensive discussion, if we're talking
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: about who played the game like we played it, we
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: played within the circumstances you given. You you you given
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the circumstances you're given, and you played within them and
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: the circumstances we were given. We played Drew Brees before
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: we played CAP. We played Drew Brees and guess what,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: he had thirty nine touchdowns, five thousand yards to twelve
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: interceptions that season. When we played Drew in the division,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: we told him up. We told him up, like Drew,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you got to go. And that's what we did to
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: just about everybody who stepped in front of us. So
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: it's we're not gonna sit here and be like, man, y'all,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: who did y'all play like?
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, we just got a jacket.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: We had, We had can boys to they They was
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: pretty prolific that year in offense. Number one in offense
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: and I think number two in Russian offense something like that.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: And now you've seen the game. He couldn't do nothing
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: at all, right, but he's still throw for two forty
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: and that was garbage time.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: The game was over, you know, the game was over
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: by the end. He really we really would have shut
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: him out. I mean, they scored a touch I can't
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: say that. If you get the ball in your territory
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: and you don't hold the offense to three points, then
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: you fail. That's off feel, right, even if even if
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: they get the ball in your territory, your job is
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: a whole them and field go range. And we let
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Stuke get a touchdown. So I'm not gonna say we
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: wouldn't shut him out or nothing. But you know, the
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: ten the ten points that they did have, you know,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: one was from that touchdown for Stu and one was
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: later in the game.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: But nonetheless.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, you know, Cam Newton MVP, and they defense
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: went out there and made us turn the ball over
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: another two times, right that defense. Luke Keigley going in
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: the hall this year. I just seen Luke at the combine.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Funny story going in the elevator after that later, but he.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Just walked in the elevator.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: You press the button, look up Louke Keigley. It's the
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: second time I ran into him on some crazy ship
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: like that. But anyway, defense was stacked two interceptions on
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: the side.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I think overall we played a better team than y'all.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but nobody would say that, Like if you say,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: if your argument is the the.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: With with with Brown and whoever.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: They had a receiver that year for Carolina, Like nobody
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: can start in the league. You could take Greg Olsen,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: but nobody who would start in the league for any
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: other team.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Carolina again was smoking that year. I'm not saying he
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: had number one. He's not a certified number one. They
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: had Hollywood Brown, I forget.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: It, but they had a good three man.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Greg Olsen debataball Hall of Famery was strapped all games,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: strapped him up like some l A gears.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: But uh, the running game I think was that that
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: three headed j Stell.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: The other fullback, and Cam Newton was probably the most
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: potent threat for sure, for sure the most.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: But but you're not. But that's what I'm saying, teacher,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's we arguing things that cannot
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: be argued, because the twenty fifteen Broncos are the most
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: prolific offense in the NFL's history, not not just the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: NFL's history, the playoffs too. They were still killing it.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And that's like, and what I'm go ahead. What they're
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: saying is if we if we ain't talking regular season,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: what the are we talking about? Like, that's what records
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: are broken. That's when they're they're figured. They were killing
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: throughout the playoffs. So let's let's not think, oh, they
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: weren't scoring big points throughout the playoffs. They just didn't
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: get to that super Bowl and score points because of us.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: They just ran into an immovable object. But they were
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: doing it all season long. They set records that the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Carolina Pansers didn't set no records.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: They didn't.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: They don't got no players that you can remember outside
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: of Jay Stewart Cam Newton. It was Cam Newton and
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the Boys. The defense was the was the strength of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: that team, the the Denver Broncos. The offense was one
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of the great there's still records that have not been
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: touched at that that that team had. They had three
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: was it four thousand yard receivers? Because nah, no, they
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: had at least three. They had at least that. The
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: tight end was a thousand both receivers. Decker and I
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: think I think Wes Welker was like nine hundred. So
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: you're talking about That's what I'm saying. The numbers were
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that crazy. And they had eight points, and they had
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: eight points in garbage time because the Marrius just was relentless.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: The Marryus was not gonna go out of there without
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: a fight.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Man, my boy, long live, long live. But but that's
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm saying we took the football away
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: at a high level. And you can call it cover three.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: But the reason we played cover three was because we
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: had such smart individuals. Like imagine going into a game
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and knowing, hey, all right, if we can see them bang,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: we know what plays they gonna run, we know what
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: concepts they're gonna run.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Hey, I need you here, I need you here. Hey,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: you you shift this way. Hey. They know what we're in.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna bastardize it like this, and we're gonna
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: force the ball here and we're gonna book them, like
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that's why we bring this so that we can we
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: can play to the strengths of our players, play to
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the intelligence and the IQ of our players and take
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the football away that manytimes, that's why we that's why
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: we killed everybody. Like the big play where Cam hit
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the Marus, that was one robber. Yeah, that was one robber.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Cam robbed in the middle of the field and was
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: coming down. They ran a man beater a pick you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: crossers and Cam said like like, and that's early in
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the game. So again we're playing man on that play.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: That's man one robber. But we were we were playing
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to the strengths of our players visual like and man
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: as you know, you ain't you can't look, you can't
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: really play to concepts and all that. You gotta like, Hey,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I'm I gotta get to here, get to my leverage,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: like hands on staying his hit, like I might chance
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to glance if I read throughout early now, But it's
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: harder to get interceptions. So that's why you rarely have
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: these teams that are playing so much men coverage go
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Like That's why in the last
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: probably ten years, you look at every Super Bowl champion
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and what they playing on defense, and I mean every
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: NFL team, nobody's playing more than thirty percent man. Even
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in Broncos this year, who were living in Man van
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Joseph Hatton Boys and Man all time, it was like
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: thirty one percent.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think that just makes us even more
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: special because we did go to the Super Bowl and
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: we did dominate every team we played defensively. If you
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: look back at our schedule and you look at the
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: way we won every game, it was a defensive play
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: to win the game, whether it was a force turnover,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: an interception of fumble for scoop and score a fumble
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: or interception backed up, if it's a sack to push
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: another team out of field goal range. Not every game,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: but most games was a play like that to win
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: the game and to.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Go into like your cover three. We only ran cover
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: three on third and long.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: We had a three buzz, but outside of that our
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: zones were zone man's cover eight right quarters one, cover
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: quarters two, cover six, reverse quarters two right. That takes
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: when you're running multiple defenses and to be as cohesive
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: as we were, and to communicate the things we did running,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: whether it was a fire zone, a zone man or man.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Robber, all that.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: When you have all these accumulations of defense and you
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: still are able to communicate across the board and get
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: things done, and that says another thing about your secondary
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and your defensive intelligence as well.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: No question about that, now, no question about that. It
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: takes intelligence, especially safeties, because y'all got to get everybody
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: lined up, and you got to get everybody moved, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you got to know where to drop and where to
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: play and all these crazy blitzes. But it takes. It
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: takes some cajone's to say, hey, we're gonna run. We're
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: gonna run three fourth things. We're gonna run, man, we're
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: gonna run three occasional fire zone and we're gonna line
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: up and you ain't gonna know nothing about it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: I'm curious about what do you think your percentage of
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: you know, I know that was your your home defense, right,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: what a percentage would you say you ran at above
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: all of the defenses.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: And it's just a curious question. Yeah, all defenses, the three.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It just depends on what you if what you're talking about,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: because if you look at the league right now, everybody
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: runs Cover three at about fifty percent everybody because it's
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: eight box and it's and it's your first down defense.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Everybody's eight bocks first down against the run. And so
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: that's what a lot of times it be in because
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: we're playing it against the run. We're playing base cover
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: three against whatever base personnel twenty one or twelve.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: So if you above the rest of the league, Oh.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying above the rest of the league.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I'm saying pop just within your team, like compared to
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: like your cover ones and your would it be like
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: fifty percent Cover three, fifty percent every all other defenses?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Right, we probably be twenty four to twenty five percent man,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: we probably be fifty percent Cover three. We probably be
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like ten percent Cover two, maybe ten percent fire zone three,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I say we was probably like we was
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: probably like forty percent man, thirty percent a quarter style defense,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: right whether it was six eight or straight up quarters.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: We probably did that thirty percent, probably another twenty percent
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I'll say ten to fifteen percent a fire zone, maybe
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: ten more like ten percent fire zone, and then another
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: ten to fifteen paying cover three D just because we
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: ran that a lot on third down, you know, third
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: and long, third and long.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: What Schwartz in Cleveland with you?
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Nah?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't have Schwartz, I didn't have Sworts. Who'd you
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: got I had?
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: My first year, we had man Jeanie. It was Rob Ryant,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: which was great. Rob Ryan was great defense all over
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: the plays right the name of it. It could be anything.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Then I had Dick Geron, who I came from Green
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Bay and he ran We ran more of a four
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: to three style where strong safety. I was setting a
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: lot of edges. I was playing like a damn outside linebacker.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: It was probably like the worst. And I always say
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that I broke my foot that year because I was
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: forcing so much shit inside. My second year and halfway
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: through the season, my foot just snapped on me. And
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: then I came back. The third year was Dick Geron again.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember that year too much. I think
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I got a pretty good year of DC. But my
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: fourth year and probably my favorite defense was Ray Horden,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Ray Horden came Pastsburg. I love that defense. I wish
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I could have played in his defense my whole career.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: And I don't know what happened to him after that season.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I think he man went to Arizona for a little bit,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: or he was in Arizona before. But that was one
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: of my favorite defense along with Wade Phillips.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: And then when we got.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: To Denver, we had we had Jack fit for that year.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: That first year we had Jack. And the only thing
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: is I didn't like about that defense. It was like
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: it was like a three man concept right to the
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: line to tighten and if I want to play man,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: let me play man.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Let me go get him and take him.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: It was like a man where if the tight ends
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: went over the linebackers, then you take him, and if
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: he don't, then it's like a little discrepancy there. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of times I was ended up chasing guys
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: laid across the field because the linebackers. It's great, you know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: because it's great, so great, and I'm with Pro Bowl
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: that you actually had some great numbers, but I just
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: didn't feel, you know, to yourself. Sometimes you had the
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: numbers be there you'd be like, man, I kind of had,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: you know, fortunate situations, right, But then I had the numbers.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: But then the players I seem to give up were more.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: And it's not all about what you do good to us,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: it's about what you give up. Like I could have
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: six picks and I gave up. I didn't say, I
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: think I gave up one touchdown and I don't want
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I don't want to give up no touchdowns to no
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: night ends, no years, and I gave up one, and
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I was hot.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, I'm doing no.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: But that's that's another thing about that year, twenty thirteen year,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: we had two dudes for Defensive Player of the year,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: got votes for Defensive Player to the Year. I got
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I got votes, and Earl got votes for defensive Player
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: of the Year because I had eight books and I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: was strapping. And that was another thing. In the playoffs,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I know you said, y'all made plays to win those games.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: In the playoffs. We started the NFC Championship game, guess
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: what the offense did. He turned the ball of Russ
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: fumble first played the game, and again, like you just said,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: it's in their territory. First play of the game adversity,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: we hold them to a field goal, they go up
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: ten oh. In that game, they go up ten oh,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: and they up ten oh for a decent part of
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: that game. Marshan ended up breaking out scoring hitting US seven.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: We get three cool. It's it's three oh. In the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter of that game, every time they touched the ball,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: we took it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: This is no no. We played.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: We played the Saints and Divisional. We played in the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: NFC Championship, and they they they dropped back. This is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the third They dropped back. Cliff Ever,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I believe forces a fumble, might be ben it picks
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: it up, runs it to the five. Yeah, offense gets
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: no points, no points from the five, got no points.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: They turned it over, turned it over on downs from
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the five. A couple of plays later, Cam picks it
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: off in the in the in the flats from the thirty.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I think our offense scored after that on a on
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a on a free play on fourth down.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: It's like fourth and eleven. Free play they got.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: They got San Francisco to jump, because we gotta remember
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: San Francisco had some dogs. They had Navarro, they had
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Pat Willis, they had justin they had. They had some
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: guys they had that was going that it was one
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: of the best defenses in the league. Sure, and we
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: got a free play. He hit curves for a touchdown. Cool,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: we got a touchdown. Then the last drive of the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: game is when I tip it to Malcolm, Malcolm pick
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: it off in that game. Those are the three drives
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: they had in the Super Bowl. That's that's the kind
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of defense we was playing. So it wasn't like, man,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: we we getting you know, we we having these relaxed
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: games and we just chilling and we just like we
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: having to show up and dominate to give us a chance.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: If we don't stop and if I give up that
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: touchdown right there, we lose. Yeah.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Like now, even after all everything we did in that game,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: we lose that game. And so it's literally clutch play
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: after clutch play after clutch play. And it happened throughout
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the season. We had many games where it was like, hey,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: pick six to bring us back.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: We losing.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: We losing in Houston with two minutes to go, they're
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: at midfield, third and four, shop, I want.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: To do a half boot, trying to throw it to
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the flat.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: We run a fire zone like palms concept and we
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: invert out of cover three and I jumped down the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: palms picked six fifty yards twenty one up to bring
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: us back in.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: It's plays like that all season where your best players
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: is making the big time plays. And I feel like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: y'all did the same thing. I feel like Von had
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the plays. I mean the AFC Championship in Super Bowl
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: for Vaughn. That boy, that boy was played. Yeah.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Look, he played so well, especially those last two games.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna say only but when I looked
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: at I had to go back and look when we
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: just going over a lot of this stuff, and he
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: had eleven and a half sex regular season, right, I
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: was thinking he had at least fifteen, you know what
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Like just the way that playoff run. And so I went,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, he only had eleven and a half sex.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Like I told you about fifty sacks during the regular season,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: the way he was playing in the playoffs, and I look, man,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: we both turned up as far as turnovers in the playoffs,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Like you said, defensive, you guys had eight.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: We had seven.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Right, just when you're back against the wall in situations
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: and the biggest moments, the biggest moments of the season.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: What do you do? What happens, and what do you do?
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Do you get the ball back? Do you get a
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: big stop?
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Do you know?
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: How do you react to being uncomfortable in urgent situations?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: And that's what we did, both of us defenses. Wise,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: like you said, things may not always go right in
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: the way you want them, and a lot of shit
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: be unexpected.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: You may get a turnover, get you right back on
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the field. God damn, we just got the ball. You
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: can't even sit down on this big for a little bit.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: But you know, I will say that, no, like I said,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: you guys eight to our seven the offenses we played,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: and like we talked about, you know, and this one
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: more point the points per.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Play, then I'm gonna have to go in our favorite.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: It's not by much, but our yards per play was
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: four point three nine.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: You know what, you guys were four point four.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Right over right behind us.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: At four point four man, So you know, nonetheless, man,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I enjoy watching y'all play. I enjoy watching y'all do
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: y'all whole thing, like Cam, my dog, earl and my
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: dog Man.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I talked to Cam more.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: And then I talked to a lot of guys on
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: our defense, right, just through Instagram or what not, checking
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: on you know, everybody's well being.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: You know, me, Earl CA and yourself.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: We all came out the same draft class, so we've
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: had eyes on each other for a long time, right,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: just checking each other's game and just seeing you guys
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: do what you did in Seattle. It motivated not only
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: the whole league, right because in football, it's always looked
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: at it as an offensive game, right. Offense sales the tickets.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Offense is who gets paid first. You know, Offense is
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: the first child, you know most of the time, right,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: they or the baby, whatever you want to whoever gets
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: treated better. But we all know defense wins championships and
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: without that defense, man, you're knock on win nothing.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, exactly, And that's what I want to say
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: about y'all too.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Bro.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: We had a lot of you. Just as a defensive player,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you admire great defense. And we played Carolina that twenty
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: fifteen years He had some issues early in the game,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and you know, some things happened, but but they Jay
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Stu had had a good game and we lost that Jay.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: We watched Jay Stew was killing man. He was a
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: hard tackle. Man. I had he. I had him in college.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Man, you played to get see so man, look when
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: he came in.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck is this? Bro?
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I remember coming to autin my freshman year at Stanford
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and I wasn't expected to play. This was two thy eleven.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, two thousand and six, sorry, two thousand
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: and six. In two thousand and six, we come in
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: to Auton and I've never been there, you know what
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I mean. I'm just a kid from Compton trying to
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: try to figure it out. Y'all came out there with
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: with you, Pat Chung, Walter Thurman and Bird I think
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: was at the other corner.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: And boy, when I tell you.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Y'all told us up and down that field and Jay
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: stew Our best player was our safety.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Brandon Harrison.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: He was a big dude, like like two thirty, you know,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: six two supposed to be League bounds, supposed to be
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and he killing us in training camp. So I'm like, boy,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: this boy is nice.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: All you know is yeah, Jay Stu got up that sideline,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: grabbed him by his face, mask yump to the ground
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: and just got out of there. I said, it's real
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: out here. His voice is real. They legitimate.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: You know, when your head dog, when your main dog
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: get dog down, you you you in for a long day.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: He just did that to Demo God dog dog.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Ah.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: That's funny as hell. That's funny as hey. We got
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: some breaking news. It looks like the Kansas City Chiefs
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: just traded Trip mcduffeat to the Rams or first round pick,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: fifth round pick, sixth round pick, a third round pick
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty seven.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Like Christmas list. God damn, the Santa Claus came with that. Man.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: That's wow. Wow. NFC West right now, NFC West is
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: an arms rate.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: It is last year. They was cooking last year. I
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: said they was the best division in football. And I
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: know the Rams are losing Kobe Durant, which was probably
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: their best corner. Like that boy was out there making plays.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: He going to free agency and they, I mean, that
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: was a knot on the on the Rams this year.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Was that secondary right, They had Forbes out there.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: He had an up and down season.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: You know, Kobe Durant was holding it down as far
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: as turnovers, but they gave up a lot of players
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: especially to you guys, man, and crucial clutch plays and
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: clutch moments. So we just talked about your defense what
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: they have to do in the bigger moments of the game.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Man, What do you think about this? Man, Sean, I
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: think this.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I low key feel like that the rams got laced
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: because I don't know about a corner getting that much
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: of a haul like a first, like a first round
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: pick for him would have made sense. So you just said, okay,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: first round, but they gave a fifth, sixth in a
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: third from next year, like that just seems like a lot.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And it seems like on the chief side, they might
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: be going into rebuild mode. They might be feeling like, hey,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be a throwaway year because they don't
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: know when Pat Mahomes is going to be back. You know,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: he's coming off the ACL. You don't know how quickly
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: that's gonna heal. Is he going to be back mid season?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Is he gonna be back late be back late season?
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And so giving up your best corner
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: seems like in getting draft picks for it seems like, hey,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: we're just investing in the future and we don't want
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to keep paying high value corners and save a little
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: bit of money, so they may be able to retain
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess maybe retain Chris Jones and some
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: of the other guys that they have. But for the Rams,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: it makes sense, like for the reasons you said they're
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: they're losing Forbes, they got a great front and Jared
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Vers and Biring Young and Braydon Fisk. Landman's a good linebacker,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: so they feel good about their front, but they need
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: to secure that back in if they're gonna keep competing
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: with the Seattle Seahawks and the San Francisco forty nine ers.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: That that division, everybody had ten wins and everybody was
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: you know, two of them more. In the NFC Championship game,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the Niners got put out by the Seahawks in a
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: divisional But they're gonna get healthier this year. They're gonna
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: get all their best players back. For Ed Warner's coming back,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Nick nick Bose is coming back. It's some up in
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the air stuff about Trent Williams, but I would assume
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: he's coming back, and them at full strength is as
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: good as any team in this league. So it's gonna
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: be fun to watch.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I think, honestly, I think
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs won this one, especially with that third, with
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: that charity on the top. My thing is the turnovers
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: right from your number one corner to last year or
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: one last year, two, the.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Year before, zero, the years.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: And I really see Trent as an inside nickel, right,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: he can play the outside, but last year seemed that
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: he got picked on a little bit out there when
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: he was at the number one, especially against bigger receivers.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: And that was just me looking at as many games
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: as I've watched. Of course I didn't watch every game,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: but I watched a lot of the Chiefs games, especially
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: them being you know AFC West, right, you pay attention
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: to that.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: When you watching the Broncos.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: So a first rounder, like you said, cool, maybe another
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: late rounder, but then another late rounder and the third man,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: ah Man, big Red Andy Reid.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I think they won that one.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: And knowing that they like to develop through the draft,
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: it gives them another opportunity to bring a younger player in,
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: maybe an ideal player that they may want to get
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: in free agency, but.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Hey, let's not spend the money. Let's get this.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Type of player in the draft for the lo and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: develop him and we could pay. Our big horse who
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: pretty much makes everything happen is Chris Jones, right like,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: you better keep him if you want to upset Chris Jones.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I would dare to say the best player in football defense,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: right man, I would look.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Not far from I don't think they win any of
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: those Super Bowls without him, No, absolutely, And that's my
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: personal opinion. I know he had a down year this year.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I think he would he would admit that, he would
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: say it. The tape says it. And I think people
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: are so down on him, especially you hear Kansas City
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Chiefs fans like man.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Get rid of him, get rid of him.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: People have down years, guys, But when he's on in
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: twenty three, in nineteen and twenty, like a lot of
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: those years, y'all won super Bowls. He was the reason
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: he won him that super Bowl in twenty three nineteen.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: He had an incredible year. She had an impactful game
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: that season in the Super Bowl, and I'm not sure
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: they win it without him. So again, as you said,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: keep him happy, keep and maybe surround him with more talent,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: like more d Lin talent. You know, pass rush wins
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: games in this league. Pass rush. You got to have it,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: and I think it showed up in the AFC side
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: because of what Houston's doing with Danil Hunter and Will Anderson. Uh,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: what what Denver's doing with with Benito and Cooper and
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: those boys, and even interior they got interior all pro
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: uh and uh Zach Zach Allen. Yeah, yeah, who's Who's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Who's freaking phenomenal. But a great pass rush gets you,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: gives you a chance, you know, and as you said earlier,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: pass rush and coverage work together.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, I think, I like especially, I think
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: this draft has an abundance of pass rushers that you
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: can get laid after those early guys go right after
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: the banns Uh, he'll probably maybe you know the boys
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: at Ohio State, they can change the defense. Right Our
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: guy is at the text the Red Raiders, he's I
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: think he'll be the first defensive guy gone. But then
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: you got a group of long outside corners that are
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: coming out of this draft this year.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: So man, it's gonna be interesting to see.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be very interesting to see how they installed
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: McDuffie in that Rams defense, and really, what responsibility do
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: they have. Do they have them playing more inside? Do
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: they have somebody that they picture to play outside or
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: they gonna line them up immediately at number one on
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: your best receiver.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interested to see that too. And we've had
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: those conversations before about you know, shadowing the number one receiver?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And is that the most valuable thing to do? Is
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: that the smartest thing for a defense to do? And
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's situational, you know, I don't think it's
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: something you do every week, because not every week you
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: got a true number one that's that impactful, that's getting
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty targets. You know, if you looked
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: at this Super Bowl and said, hey, you're playing the Patriots.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Are you playing the Seahawks? You say, oh, man, if
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you the Patriots, you're following JSN. But then JSN goes
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: out early in that game and you're like, okay, so
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: who do you follow?
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Here's nobody else worth worth following or dictating your defense
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: like that, So it kind of kills the point of it.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And on the other side, if you're playing the Patriots,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: who you who you following with number one? Kashawan, Boody
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Douglas is digs the guy, you know what I mean?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: None of them are getting those kind of targets or
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that kind of focus for you to say, hey, we
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: need to designate our defense to focus on this guy
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: and put our best player, uh and and kind of
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: tilt our defense that way.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, Yeah, you.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Just brought up a something I was. You made me
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: realize Tarique wooling up. You know, you could probably get
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: him for a cheaper price than he was worth for
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: two years ago. So I mean, it's a lot of
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: free agent corners out there as well. I don't know
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: if I like this by the Rams. I really don't know,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: but hey, I could they you know McVeigh, great head coach,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: you can prove me wrong.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Right right, do your thing.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: They might just put out a stat they've traded every
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: first round pick for the last ten years. Really, Yeah,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen traded traded their pick to the Titans, twenty eighteen,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: traded their pick to the Patriots, twenty nineteen to the Falcons,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty to the Jags, twenty twenty one to the Jags,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to the Lions, twenty three to the
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Lions twenty four they drafted Jared Verse.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: So my bad, it wasn't all the whole ten year.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: That's a lot. They always in the wind now seemed
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: like if you're getting up.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Your first round picks, I got Matt back here. I'm
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: in the win now until he retired at it ain't
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: no way until later. We're trying to win every Super
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Bowl this year. So that's a good I mean, that's
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: a good place to be in. That's a great place
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: to be in. That's a great place to be. You
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: feel like you always got a chance. And Matt is
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: one of them.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Dudes, man, for real, for real, he definitely is MVP.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Hey can't argue that.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: But but we had a lot of respect for y'all
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: in what y'all did and y'all defense. And you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: we go back for if it's all fun because we
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: just pride for players and we play.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You played at a high level, and we played.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: At a high level, and everybody wants to be the
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: best and take pride in what they did. But as
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: you just said, defensive players can appreciate just great defense
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: being played, you know, And I love it even nowadays
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: when I see like the Seahawks defense and what they
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: did to the Patriots in the in the Super Bowl
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: and anytime there's a great defense. I loved what Denver
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: was doing all year, you know that what they had
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: going and uh and certain in them boys in Houston
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: with them boys in Houston on it's crazy young boys
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: is playing good football.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: So it's it's great to see that.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe you and me could collab more because I enjoyed this. Yeah,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: joy seeing you getting getting the talk ball.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Nah, definitely we we gotta do it again, man, Like
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: you said, Uh, great collaboration.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we got to do this. Man. Always a
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: pleasure talking to you. Man.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Hey, we gonna leave it up to y'all, and y'all
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: argue amongst yourself.
• 47:57
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• 47:58
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• 48:02
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• 48:13
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• 48:16
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• 48:18
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• 48:21
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• 48:25
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• 48:29
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• 48:30
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