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Patriots Catch-22 4/29: Full Draft Recap, Pick-by-Pick Patriots Analysis, Rob Gronkowski to Pats HOF Reaction · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars, Blazar and Lazarre.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody nailed it, joined us always by our bar Gas.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting kind of annoyed with this notion that this
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  Speaker 2: draft doesn't mean as much or as an exciting and
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  Speaker 2: like like this. But this is for other type of people,
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  Speaker 2: for our people are listening for us, For our listeners,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if they're picking first or thirty first.
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  Speaker 2: Like the draft is, it matters, it matters, there doesn't matter,
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  Speaker 2: and they're gonna pick somebody. This is not you know,
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  Speaker 2: my feeling is about drafts and other sports besides football
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  Speaker 2: and basketball. It's not like a baseball draft or you
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  Speaker 2: draft the guy and you see him four years later,
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  Speaker 2: right like this is. You're gonna get this player at
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  Speaker 2: thirty one, and even though it's not gonna be the
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  Speaker 2: players that you were getting at three and four over
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  Speaker 2: the last two that player is still gonna be good
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  Speaker 2: enough to hopefully contribute to the Patriots. Immediately, I think
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to immediately contradict myself from last week and
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  Speaker 2: open to this show on my thoughts on this Patriots
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  Speaker 2: draft that that's kind of what we do though sometimes
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  Speaker 2: at least what I do. You know, I try not
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  Speaker 2: to live too much in the moment, and then I
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  Speaker 2: get caught up in the moment, and you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: the whole It's why we do recency bias. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it just is who I am. Hello, everybody, It's Evan Lazar,
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  Speaker 2: It's Alex bart Is behind the glass. Patriots Catch twenty
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  Speaker 2: two with you for the next couple of hours here. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about the Patriots twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 2: draft class. All nine picks, will rattle through all nine,
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  Speaker 2: maybe get to some UDFA talk by the end of
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  Speaker 2: the show, but we might hold off on the udfas
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  Speaker 2: for the most part till next week, kind of spread
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  Speaker 2: it out between the two shows. Obviously, the Patriots just
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  Speaker 2: announcing that Rob Gronkowski is going to be a Patriot
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, the thirty eighth inductee yep into the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots Hall player thirty eighth total, and a first ballot
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  Speaker 2: Patriots Hall of Famer, just like his buddy Julian Edelman.
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  Speaker 2: So that's pretty cool too. So we'll give a thought
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  Speaker 2: on that as well here today, but we're going to
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  Speaker 2: be mostly draft focused, of course, and recapping this twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty sixth draft. And I said, you know, we played
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  Speaker 2: on the from snippet from last week of me saying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this isn't a boring draft, ALX. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: come up with a great way to describe how I
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  Speaker 2: feel about this Patriots draft. I didn't. I didn't hate it,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm not like down on it as a whole.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm also not, you know, over the moon about
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  Speaker 2: what they did either. I'm kind of somewhere in the
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  Speaker 2: middle with it. And I think some of that has
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  Speaker 2: to do with the fact that I feel like some
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  Speaker 2: of their picks were made for twenty twenty seven and
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  Speaker 2: beyond the first round pick. And I would even say
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  Speaker 2: to an extent Eli Raridan as well, just because of
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  Speaker 2: the nature of the tight end position and the developmental
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  Speaker 2: you know, timeline there at tight end. I kind of
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  Speaker 2: just feel like it was sort of ho hum. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we knew that going into it. Tackle, edge, rusher, tight
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  Speaker 2: end were sort of the three big positions that we
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  Speaker 2: thought they were going to attack. That's exactly what they did.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm not saying they had a bad draft.
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  Speaker 2: I just think that this was kind of okay, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm cool with it, but I'm not like over
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  Speaker 2: the moon about it, you know, And maybe the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of drafts I had a little bit more of
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  Speaker 2: that over the moon feeling, well.
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  Speaker 1: This was kind of my realization. It's like, you have
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  Speaker 1: to recalibrate from them picking in the top five. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: if they'd had this kind of draft, picking in the
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  Speaker 1: top five, that would not be good. If they had
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  Speaker 1: last year's kind of draft picking at the end of
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  Speaker 1: each round, I'd be you know, that would be unbelievable
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  Speaker 1: where they were picking for what was available to them.
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  Speaker 1: I think that they had a solid draft. I think
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  Speaker 1: they got three guys in the top one hundred who
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  Speaker 1: realistically should be starters by call it the start of
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty seven season, so maybe not starting right away,
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  Speaker 1: but the start of the twenty twenty seven season. The
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  Speaker 1: crown Over pick is good. They added depth to tackle,
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  Speaker 1: they've needed that, and then yeah, the rest of Day
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  Speaker 1: three to me is pretty much just special teams and
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  Speaker 1: then obviously more than you're just adding quarterback depth. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I look at that top one hundred, and
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  Speaker 1: I think they did a really good job in the
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  Speaker 1: top one hundred and then day threes just kind of
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  Speaker 1: will see. I think that was more just project players
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  Speaker 1: and building out the special teams units.
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  Speaker 2: So welcome to being a contender, right, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: what we're saying. I know that that sounds silly coming
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  Speaker 2: from an organization that has six Super Bowl championships and
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  Speaker 2: knows nothing but winning for the last twenty plus years.
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  Speaker 2: But it's been a minute since people like us and
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  Speaker 2: people that you know, we started covering the team in
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. You know that it's been a minute since
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  Speaker 2: that has been the case. And they made a lot
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  Speaker 2: of draft picks along the lines of just pipeline players too,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like Caleb Lomou is a guy, is a
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  Speaker 2: pipeline player that is a get ahead of the tackle
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  Speaker 2: thing with Morgan Moses and Will Campbell. That's Eli Rardan
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  Speaker 2: is to get ahead of Hunter Henry aging out of
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  Speaker 2: the program. Gay Bacchus is a little bit more immediate impact,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, but even still, you know, that's more
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  Speaker 2: getting ahead of Harold Landry. But like Landry might be
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  Speaker 2: towards the end faster than some of the other guys
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  Speaker 2: like Moses and the injury and Henry because of the injury.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing, I would you know, I had a
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  Speaker 2: few nitpicks. I want to bring those up, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of how it feels, is like they're back
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  Speaker 2: to sort of drafting for long term development versus the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of drafts. You were drafting those guys to
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  Speaker 2: make immediate impacts, and that has to do with where
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  Speaker 2: they were picking the round, but also where they were
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  Speaker 2: as a team, you know, coming off off of four
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  Speaker 2: and thirteen and all that good stuff. I had a
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  Speaker 2: few nippicks. Did you have any other thoughts?
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  Speaker 1: I would just say it's just funny to see people react.
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  Speaker 1: Like the last couple of years, it was like, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: this guy was a fourth round pick, third round pick,
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  Speaker 1: and they got him in the fourth because they were
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  Speaker 1: picking at the very top of the round. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: can do stuff like that. And now this year was Wow,
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  Speaker 1: this guy's a fourth round pick and they drafted him
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  Speaker 1: to a third because they're drafted with like the last
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  Speaker 1: pick in the round. So I just thought that was
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  Speaker 1: funny because, yeah, it's a different we talked about this,
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  Speaker 1: it's a different range of the draft. It's a different
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  Speaker 1: approach when you're picking where they are.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. All right, so a few of my nippicks. I
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  Speaker 2: think the biggest nitpick that I probably have here about
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  Speaker 2: this draft is I really thought that they would benefit
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  Speaker 2: from the having at least one pick in the fourth round.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of wanted I wanted to come away with
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  Speaker 2: this draft with at least four guys in the top
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  Speaker 2: one fifty, and they had this big gap. They pick
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  Speaker 2: a guy at ninety five and then they don't pick
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  Speaker 2: again until one seventy one, and just looking at the
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  Speaker 2: guys that went off in the fourth round, you know,
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  Speaker 2: guys like Genesis Smith, Price, Betcher, Kyle Lewis, Trey Moore,
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  Speaker 2: who I kind of came too late that I liked
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. I wasn't a huge Elms or fan,
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  Speaker 2: but a lot of people were. There was some defensive
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  Speaker 2: linemen also in that round that came off of the
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  Speaker 2: board in the fourth round, right around where they were
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  Speaker 2: gonna pick. I just thought, you know, obviously, you have
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  Speaker 2: to take into account that you're either getting Lomu and
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  Speaker 2: Jacket a.
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  Speaker 1: Guess or you're not.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like it probably was worth it in terms
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  Speaker 2: of the trade off there of securing those two players.
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  Speaker 2: But I was a little bit disappointed that they traded
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  Speaker 2: out of the.
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  Speaker 1: Fourth round completely.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if they tried to get back
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  Speaker 2: in with some of those sixth round picks, moving back
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  Speaker 2: from you know, one point seventy one into the fourth
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  Speaker 2: round again or up I should say, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: if they tried that or not. But I just felt like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we were in the position where they were better off
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  Speaker 2: drafting for long term need and they had that luxury
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  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. But just in terms
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  Speaker 2: of adding talent to the roster still, I would have
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  Speaker 2: liked to have seen them come away with at least
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  Speaker 2: four guys. They had five picks in the top one
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  Speaker 2: fifty to start with, yeah, and I would have liked
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  Speaker 2: to at least seen them come up with four, and
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  Speaker 2: they weren't able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I disagree with you on that. I just what would
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  Speaker 1: the draft of It's really easy to say that sitting
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  Speaker 1: here with the players they got at the top. So
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  Speaker 1: if they don't take if they don't trade up to
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight right low mu goes. I think there was
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  Speaker 1: some reporting that, like the Chiefs were interested him, had
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  Speaker 1: them in a thirty visit whatever. Yeah, so he's off
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  Speaker 1: the board. Do they end up taking Acis at thirty one?
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  Speaker 1: You know, based on the reaction in the draft room
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  Speaker 1: when they got him, it certainly seems like they he
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  Speaker 1: was high II on their board. Yeah, you know, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so they take Acis or another edge rusher there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: then they don't trade up to fifty five. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know is do they end up with Oscar delp or
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  Speaker 1: Sam Roush at sixty three? Then at ninety five you're
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  Speaker 1: not taking the tight end. There is that where they
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  Speaker 1: maybe get one of the guys you were talking about
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  Speaker 1: them taking in the fourth round, and then you add
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  Speaker 1: somebody else, so there's a little more depth. But I
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  Speaker 1: the fact they came out of this with the tackle
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  Speaker 1: and then got gay back is to me is worth
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  Speaker 1: whoever you were picking in the fourth round. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's really easy in the immediacy after the draft. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we had so many players we liked in that range.
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  Speaker 1: I think we were surprised some guys fell ye that.
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  Speaker 1: It's easy to say, yeah, I wish they would have
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  Speaker 1: had one of those other players. I think when you
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  Speaker 1: step back and you will get what it would have cost.
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  Speaker 1: You give me the give me the starting caliber tackle
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  Speaker 1: over whatever rotational linebacker they were going to. Like, think
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  Speaker 1: you got I think about it in that sense, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like a no brainer. Now my big nitpick is
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  Speaker 1: and I flashed a little bit back to I think
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  Speaker 1: it was twenty twenty one was like an awesome or no,
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  Speaker 1: it might have been. Twenty two was like an awesome
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  Speaker 1: linebacker draft. Yes, and we were talking about, well, they're
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  Speaker 1: going to come out with somebody, who's it going to be?
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  Speaker 1: And they ended up not taking a linebacker and we
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  Speaker 1: were all like, what they needed a linebacker? That was
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  Speaker 1: super weird. It was twenty two and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: ironically they ended up with one of the guys you
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  Speaker 1: really like and Chad Muma, like that did end up
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  Speaker 1: being that could have last My point being like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this kind of felt like that. Wherever it was. I
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  Speaker 1: think even with trading those picks, I thought they could
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  Speaker 1: have done more at the linebacker position and didn't. That
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  Speaker 1: would be my nitpick. But again I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: that's I don't think they need to hold on to
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  Speaker 1: one of those fourth round picks.
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  Speaker 2: To do that. Maybe not, but I just read off
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  Speaker 2: a couple of the guys that I like. There are
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  Speaker 2: other linebackers that weren't. I wasn't a tie on that
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  Speaker 2: one in the fourth round, And the fourth round was
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  Speaker 2: a big linebacker round in this draft. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what Elliott Wolf said. He said that the draft sweet
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  Speaker 2: spot on linebacker was going to be Day three. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so a lot of those linebackers ended up going
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  Speaker 2: in the fourth round. I probably come out in the
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  Speaker 2: wash saying, yeah, I would rather low Moon Atcus than
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  Speaker 2: a fourth round pick. Yeah, but I think that that's
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  Speaker 2: a fair It's still to me they're still building and
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  Speaker 2: this draft feels very top heavy to me. They got
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  Speaker 2: three guys in the top one hundred that should be
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  Speaker 2: good developmental players for them and maybe even starting caliber
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  Speaker 2: town and then they have everything else they did on
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  Speaker 2: Day three, which I am sort of just not putting
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  Speaker 2: any eggs in any of those baskets and expecting those
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  Speaker 2: guys to be bottom of the roster, special teams types
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  Speaker 2: of player. And there could have been a better middle
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  Speaker 2: class to their draft, I suppose. Yeah, way to put it, crown.
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  Speaker 1: Over would be the one exception for me, even if
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't I think there's value in having that swing tackle,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe Adrie and Wattle two point zero. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which I say is a compliment if you've listened to
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  Speaker 1: the show. But yes, yeah, I'll take the top. I
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  Speaker 1: think they picking it at what was assigned thirty one
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  Speaker 1: and still having a top heavy draft is you don't
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  Speaker 1: usually see it go that way, Like that's where you're
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  Speaker 1: usually trying to take advantage of the middle rounds they
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  Speaker 1: were able to have. I'm fine with them having a
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  Speaker 1: top heavy draft after the season they just had. If
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  Speaker 1: they'd won like five games again, maybe i'd feel different.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm okay that they kind of sacrifice the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the draft and moved up.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna come back to that. I know, we
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  Speaker 2: don't have to keep laboring in that point. The other uh,
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  Speaker 2: midpick that I had or not midpick, I guess I
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  Speaker 2: would more call them coin flips, right, And these are
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  Speaker 2: the things that we do in this draft, in the
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  Speaker 2: draft process, and and they're late. You know, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: really have any coin flip picks early because I thought
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  Speaker 2: Lomu and Acis were just so clearly the best available
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  Speaker 2: players at their position at the time that they picked
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  Speaker 2: that I wouldn't have gone in different directions there. But
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  Speaker 2: on day three obviously Caleb or Karen Prontia and Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Karen Prunty was one of their guys. I you know,
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  Speaker 2: they drafted him earlier in consus.
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  Speaker 1: Catch twenty two told you last week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good point. I also I give them the benefit
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  Speaker 2: of the doubt because of Craig Woodson. They kind of
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  Speaker 2: drafted Craig Woodson way ahead of consensus and they were
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  Speaker 2: ended up ended up being one hundred percent right about
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  Speaker 2: that one. That was a good evaluation by them. But
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  Speaker 2: Karen Prunty in the fifth round, Zeke Massis was my
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  Speaker 2: guy in that range of the draft, the cal corner. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and he went a couple of picks later. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: not picks later earlier later, So I'm not saying so
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that these are there are one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent wrong and I'm one hundred percent right. But this
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  Speaker 2: is what the draft ends up coming down to, is
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  Speaker 2: these coin flips, and there's a chance that both of
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  Speaker 2: them can't play right right. But at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, that was one. The other the bigger one though,
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  Speaker 2: I thought was obis or over Harold Perkins, which I
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  Speaker 2: would just love to know, true Sierum Elliott Wolf, Like,
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  Speaker 2: what was it about Harold Perkins that I think we
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  Speaker 2: can kind of say maybe he was off the board
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  Speaker 2: altogether because they had multiple opportunities to draft him, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't what what what did they see in Obis or
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  Speaker 2: that they favored him over Perkins because Perkins went a
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  Speaker 2: few picks later, right, Or I'll throw.
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  Speaker 1: In there a different gotten player, but a linebacker that
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  Speaker 1: we thought was a fit for them, Maiden Fisher. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So those sort of again I'm not saying that they're
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  Speaker 2: right and I'm wrong, or I'm wrong and they're right,
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  Speaker 2: but those are the coin flips of the draft that
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  Speaker 2: if any of those guys that they could have had,
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  Speaker 2: like if Harold Perkins ends up realizing his potential in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL and takes off and is a great player
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  Speaker 2: in the league as he has the athletics, ism and
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  Speaker 2: raw measurables to do, then we're gonna say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna be kicking themselves a little bit that they
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  Speaker 2: didn't draft him when they had the opportunity on Day three?
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  Speaker 2: Did you have any any like those? Because that those
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  Speaker 2: are the two that stood out to me in terms.
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  Speaker 1: Of yeah, I think it's obi Izor especially, Yeah, was
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  Speaker 1: the one for me, and again noting who came after him, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: probably the same too, And then PROMPTI not just that
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  Speaker 1: that Zeke Masses went right after. But I know it's
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  Speaker 1: a different position. But Adam Randall, like those are guys
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  Speaker 1: that they were tied to. Those are guys they had
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  Speaker 1: for visits. So and I also just think with with
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  Speaker 1: Prunty two, he probably I don't think it's fair, but
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  Speaker 1: like it was three hours and sixteen minutes before the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots picked on day three. Yeah, and I wonder if
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: there was an element of people waiting, like the people
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  Speaker 1: actually follow it, waiting around all day and getting a
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  Speaker 1: guy who, again, if you listen to the show, you'd
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  Speaker 1: heard of, but if not, you might not of that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, those were the two. Obiisor was probably the
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  Speaker 1: biggest head scratching me again because of what else was
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  Speaker 1: on the board, and just overall, I thought they'd be
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  Speaker 1: able to do more at linebacker. Ye.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, So before we get into the picks, I
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  Speaker 2: also just wanted to talk a little bit about you know,
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  Speaker 2: what's left on this roster with some of the holes
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  Speaker 2: that were left. I think we're both in agreement. Number
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: one right down to me with a bullet as linebacker.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: You know, they I was expecting because I kind of
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: downplayed the need at linebacker because I was expecting them
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: to draft one pretty early, maybe not top one hundred,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: but top one fifty. That doesn't end up happening in
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: this draft. And so now Roberts Blaine, Christian Ellis, kJ,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Britt Obis or as a sixth round pick, there's not
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: a whole lot there in terms of depth behind Roberts
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: plain because even to me, Britt and Ellis are not
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: really true. Mike's like, you're not gonna those guys are
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: weak side linebackers, special teamers, you know, running Chase type
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: of linebacker's splaying. I feel like is the only guy
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: on the roster that kind of fits that prototypical mic linebacker.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: So what do they do there at linebacker? I wouldn't.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know anything, not inside info, but just looking
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: at the free agency market, it seemed like the free
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: agency market was a little bit slow at linebacker because
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: of how good the linebacker class was in the draft.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: So I actually think there are some names out there
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: that are kind of intriguing in the veteran market, you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner, Matt Mulano, you know, players like that that
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: maybe they could go target now, and you know, you
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: get into the whole compic formula thing and how that
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: goes out the door after the draft and all that
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: good stuff too. But I look at linebacker, I look
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: at nose tackle. I was a little surprised. You know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: there's a couple of those coin flips at the end
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: of the draft where they could have had like a
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Timmy Keenan for like multiple rounds, they went in a
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: different direction. And then I would say safety is the
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: third one, maybe a little bit guard, But based off
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: of what Elliott Wolf said, do they feel like lou
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: In a Pinch could kick inside and play guard if
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: they needed him to as a rookie. Maybe, But yeah,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I would say those four spots linebacker, guard, safety, nose tackle.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: If they were to add a veteran, maybe they'd look there.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd agree with you. I think guard more so.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: The worry for me is the long term and you're
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: not gonna move Lomu to guard like full time.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: No, I am sort just saying you lose multiple layers.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: No, they well, they really only have one proven layer
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: of depth. It's it's it's Ben Brown. I'm not sure,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you know, if we want to get to some of
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the u DFA's a guy like John Darius Morgan is
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: maybe gonna have a shot to make this team. He
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: has experienced specifically at right guard, has played a little
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: tackle as well. Uh, you know, defensive tackle. It's David
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Blay right is the defensive tackle they signed. Like this
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: is where I look at the u DFAs. They need
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a nose tackle, they need a run stop or not
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: like an attacking guy they have like blay Is in
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: theory that kind of player. It's we played, but he's
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: six two two ninety two. That's probably too small to
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: play that role in the NFL. So, you know, can
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: he put on fifteen pounds between now in training camp
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and maybe put himself in the mix. And then we're
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: the linebacker yes? And then safety yes? And I know
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: you know they didn't sign any udfa is there. I
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: know some people have asked about Pronti playing safety. I
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: could kind of see it me too, But I asked
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Ryan Counting about it. He didn't. He kind of sounded
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like they just wanted to develop in the corner for
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: right now. So maybe not something to expect, but yeah,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: that's another spot. But that's another one. Like I think
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: del Pettis is okay as a backup, is okay as
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a third guy. That's more of like a long term
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: ye one byed thing. Yeah, you're not really getting that
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: guy in free agency.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll only get safety. And this was kind of
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: in the the cluster of fourth rounders I mentioned, you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Genesis Smith goes in the fourth round, maybe you know
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: guy I really liked. I don't know how they felt
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: about him. I wasn't really expecting them to go safety
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: in the top one hundred though, and so that once
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: we got outside the top one hundred and they didn't
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: have they had a huge gap and pitch. You know,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't really feel like there was many safety coin
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: flips that I was like, why didn't they draft this
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: guy here?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Like through the first one hundred and seventy picks, let's
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: call it, I felt like all those safeties I kind
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: of liked were gone. Yeah at that point, So that's
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: the you know, that was the one position that sort
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: of slipped through the cracks a little bit. Just the
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: way to approach the draft.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: All right, real quick, I'll give you one more because
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you said we might not get to u DFAs in
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: terms of the needs. Uh. Jordan Kuitikowski from Central Michigan.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: He's not even a UDFA. He's a mini camp invite. Yeah,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: going a little in my bag here you are. He
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: flies around, man, he he just gets to the football
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: and you know he's a little in smaller side six
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: point two thirty five. But that guy that's kind of
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the clean up crew.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Now he did it in the MAC. It's a long
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: cry from the NFL. So we'll have to see. But
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: in terms of the prototype, we'll see at what level.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: But in terms of the prototype, I do think he
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: is the guy that fits that prototype. So it'll be
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: interesting to see. They have three open roster spots now
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: right after they.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yesterday, they're at eighty seven. Yep.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: So you look at those mini camp invites quick Kowski
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and then they signed a punter too, which they ended
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: up batting Mitch McCarthy.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: So there you got, you got your punter.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: A couple. Uh, maybe they're not even on the roster yet.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: We'll have to see this is going real deep. But yeah,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: you know it positions in need a couple guys to
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: keep an eye on.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well we'll definitely talk more about the DFAs
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I've gotten through a couple of them, uh today and yesterday.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: But Rookie Mini Camp is two weeks away, right, two
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: weeks two weeks from Friday, Well it starts. It starts Friday,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Laturday Saturday. We have access to day two of Rookie
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Mini Camp. So I figured we'd talk about those guys
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: a little bit more as Rookie Mini Camp got closer,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: because there'll be a highlight at a Rookie Mini Camp
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: for sure, because last year Rookie Mini Camp is when
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: we were introduced to fin Chisholm and Land Thearrison and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: they were immediately annointed stars in Patriots Land.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: So CJ. Deprie remember people, Yeah, he looked.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: He does like fit the suit. He was just a
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: big dude, look to the part. Okay, let's get into
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the picks. Let's go pick by pick as we do here.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: We only have nine so this is like we've done
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: way more in two hours eleven or twelve last year.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Let's start with Lomu first round obviously twenty eighth. Overall, Here,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: here's where I'm at with Lomu, because I admit I
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: was a little lukewarm otted on this on the stream
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: on Thursday night. Wasn't the tackle I was expecting them
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: to pick, wasn't It wasn't my guy, you know in
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the tackle class, And that probably you know, skewed my
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: reaction at right.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: We were just bummed that we didn't hit the pick. I
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: think we were that was objected that onto him.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: That was our conversation after Thursday night was let's not
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: let's not do that. Let's not make our feelings that
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: we missed not having.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Him on our board, in part because it was kind
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of like Gonzales, but we had kind of hedged Gonzalez
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a little.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: More like Gonzalez was my number one player on the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: big board.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: This was like we were like, let's not let the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: fact that we missed on this like that doesn't make
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: him a work.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Now sounds terrible I had walking back from that one
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit after the draft. Sounds super cocky, but yeah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: that's that's true. I think that the you know, the
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: best way to describe below MoU until we can actually
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: break down his play. I think it's better for me
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: to explain why I didn't have him on the board
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: versus why he was drafted by the Patriots. It was
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: really a couple of different factors. Number one was I
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: would say, just playdemeanor, play style, whatever you want to
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: call it. He's just not a violent blocker. And they
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: make so much stress, they put so much emphasis on
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: finish in violence and all that different type of stuff,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Like how many times do we hear the coaching staff
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: use the word on the field violence? Right, and then
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: they draft kind of a finesse tackle, pass blocking tackle.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: It just didn't feel like that. And then I thought,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: what was interesting not to jump the shark to the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: next pick here, But like then they pick Atkis, who
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: is just a absolute animal.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: A little more of a program fit.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And so like I just I feel like
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: we weren't totally off with that mattering, Right, it just
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: didn't matter in this case. Well, I think it's we
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: probably would have considered it more if we thought he
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: was gonna fall.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: That was the big thing for me, was that tackle.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: That was the young guy.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: That was the second part I was gonna get to
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: was it felt like he was probably gonna go where
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Miller and I on a chore ended up going. And
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I wonder if some of the reason why he didn't
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: go there are some of the reasons that I wasn't
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: super on him.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I think the the grit, the finish, the play strength
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: is something that teams looked at with him.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Well, we did this with Christian Gonzales three years ago.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Christian Gonzales was more about the alpha, right, like
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: he didn't have that aura.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It was all kind it was kind of the same conversation.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Like he doesn't want to tackle, yeah, you know, shamming
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: at the which didn't it Like, look at him this year,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: he's right laying the lumber this year.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: How funny is it not to go on this socide
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: about Gonza, who did get his fifth year option picked up.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: So it's kind of relevant. If I had to describe
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: one of the players on the team that has the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: most aura, he might be number one.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, their quarterback. He's break may but like his
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: name it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Just but just in terms of pure like.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Aura, like he's up there yeaheah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: And I think it's so funny that that was the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: big knock on him coming in was that he didn't
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: have that like edge to him and he wasn't, you know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: like that kind of player.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this because it relates to Lomu. Yeah,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: was it there and we made and maybe it's a
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: little bit of both. Was it there and we missed it?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Or did they coach that into him? And did Rabel
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: coach that in them? And can that be coached? And
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: can they coach it into Lomu to be a little nastier?
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's never the glass eater. Will Campbell is right,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: but and look, I don't think you need five absolute
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: bullies on the line. You can't have zero, but I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: don't think you need five. And they have a couple
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: guys that are nasty, So I don't think Lomo needs
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to be the tone setter. They have tone setters. But
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: can they coach Lomu to be a little more nasty?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Like maybe did they coach Gonzalez to be a little
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: more nasty?
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's absolutely something that they could technically coach into him.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I I just think.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: That eventually the trenches become a fight, right, Like, eventually
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: the gloves have to go on and it becomes a
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: little bit of a street fight in there, and I
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: just don't know a lot of guys. And I think
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that typically a first round picks. When you see tackles
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: that don't succeed in the first round, it's not usually
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: measurables or raw talent or athleticism because you don't usually
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: get drafted at that position if you don't have the
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: athleticism and the raw ability. It's more just this stuff
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: like nasty and like you know, play strength and grit
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: and finish and that kind of thing. Like you have
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: to you have to play with an edge at that position,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and I think that they are going to have to
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: maybe push that a little bit with him. He'd kind
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: of force it out of him, and we've seen that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I would also say with mike're able to an extent
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: with Drake May. You know, I think he's pushed Drake
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: May in that way too, So that's possible. So play
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: style where he was going to go, I think we
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: both thought he was going to go higher, which is
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: a feather in the Patriots cap that they were able
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to get him at twenty eight versus where we thought
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: he was going to go. The last thing that I
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: was concerned about was that he exclusively basically played left
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: tackle in college. So whether you are and I know
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of people out there that are
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: in favor of moving Campbell, or you're saying nope, Campbell,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Like the team is right now, Campbell's our left tackle,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: he's not moving. Well, now Lomu has to be the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: one that's moving. Somebody's got to move. And some of
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the things that you heard pre draft and read pre
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: draft about Lomu was that Utah discovered that Finol was
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: more comfortable playing on the right side and that's why
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: he played on the right side and Lomu stayed at
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: left tackle. So I guess that's a long winded way
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: of saying you're creating sort of a musical chairs here
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: of sorts. And the easiest thing to do is Lomu
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: just develops as a right tackle and plays as a
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: right tackles. That's the straightest path here. But if he
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: plays at right tackle and he's ineffective or not as
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: effective as he would be on the left side, well,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: now we're starting to get into the musical chairs of
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the offensive line. And does that mean Campbell's flipping? Does
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that mean Campbell's kicking in? Like? Where what are you
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: doing there, You're messing with the guy you just drafted
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: fourth overall. So that's why in summary pre draft I
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: was really big on I didn't really love the idea
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: of taking a red shirt tackle.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I didn't, but I.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Sold myself on it because I really liked Blake Miller
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: and Eonitor. I thought they were both really good players.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: They went a lot higher than even some expected, I
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: would say, both of them, especially Eonotor. So now we're
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: getting into a mix of they drafted a left tackle
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: to potentially play right tackle, and then they're going to
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: move Campbell around. None of this is Lomu's fault, by
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the way, Like this is about Lomu necessarily, right, It's
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: just about their roster construction. So that was sort of
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: my take on why I was a little bit lukewarm
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: on it. Then I do want to talk about what
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: he's good at, because I don't want this to be
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: all the things that he's bad at, because again, this
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: is not This is less about Caleb Lomu and more
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: just about the asset and the construction and the roster
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: than it is about him as a player.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: No, I think that's fair, and I wonder I think
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it might be as simple as they wanted to come
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: out of this with the tackle. And I we remember
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: this last year with the arm On members, Like, I'm
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: not a big fan of tackle switching sides. I think
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that that's a difficult thing to do if you are
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: going to have somebody do it. Athleticism is maybe the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: biggest tool you can have in your bag to pick
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that up. Low Moo and for what it's worth, Campbell
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: or both athletic. I think low Moo's probably just built
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a little more with his length to be a guy
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that can switch than Campbell is. But like at the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: end of the day, I would rather have like last year,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: they had the option where they had a right tackle,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: they had a left tackle. They both had questions. They
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: took the left tackle to play left tackle, which I
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: still believe was the right pick. You know, this year
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the only option was a left tackle or coming out
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of it with no tackle, And I wonder if it
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: was as simple as we got to come out of it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: We have a chance to come out with a tackle.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: We got to come out of this with a tackle.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: We believe in our coaching staff will get him to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll work on him flipping sides he's the profile,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: he is the body to do it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: The positive that you mentioned there about flipping sides, because
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I asked the Round about that process and what exactly
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: goes into that. The number one thing that was pointed
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: out to me was that you don't get really concerned
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: about that with great athletes. If guys aren't great athletes,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: and then you throw into a fact, you know, now
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: they have to retrain him. On the other side, that
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: gets a little bit more complicated, but it's less so
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: when you know that the guy is really super app
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and it's.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: The football IQ too. And what he talked about after
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the draft about how he's kind of a film It
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: was funny is he's asked after the pick, like can
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: you lomu, can you describe your game? And he gives
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: this whole answer about how you know, he tries to
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: be very technically sound and he likes to study a
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: lot of film because he wants to know what the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: defense is going to do so you can play with
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the anticipations, we can play quick, which is all awesome stuff,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: great stuff to be doing, and then he kind of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: throws it at the end, Oh, you know, I'm alignment,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: so I gotta be be physical and be tough and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: all that. Not really an afterthought, but yeah, kind of
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: just like, oh yeah, I'm alignment likes I gotta make
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: sure I say the linement stuff.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I not exactly I'm gonna fight and die
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: No, but he seems like right, he seems like he's
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: a like a studier.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that's how he's just.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Just from the very brief conversations I had with people
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: who like worked with him in college, like, yeah, wants
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to learn, wants to be coached. I think he's somebody
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: that understands. And this isn't a knock on him. I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: think everybody there's no perfect prospect, right, everybody who comes
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to the NFL needs to get better. I think there
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: are some guys that look at it, especially like in
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the high rounds or like I just got drafted. I'm
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that dude, like I'm just gonna And then there's some
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: guys who have the recognition of I need to get better,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: like I'm not good enough yet. And I think he's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a guy just from hearing him talk this is just
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: very service level, but has the recognition of of there's
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: room to improve and wants to put the work and
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to improve versus just like I can come in and
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: do exactly what I was doing in college and be fine.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Because that's the case for maybe kickers and punters or
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the exception. Outside of kickers and punters, zero point zero
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: zero zero percent of all players who've ever been drafted
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: can come into the NFL change nothing and be successful.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I feel, you know, on the positive side,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the player itself has done nothing wrong here. I think
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: he's a very athletic player. We can all see that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: The athletic testing is through the roof. I have a
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: take on that here in a second. But the one
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: thing that I really liked about his game was his
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: ability to protect inside out, Like I felt like he
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: did a really nice job of mirroring in past protection
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: both inside moves and high side pressure as well. You know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: guys that are trying to go around his outside edge,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: you can just see it, like it pops off the tape.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Atu how smooth he is, how much range he has
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: at that position. You know he can get up you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: backside reach, combo block, get up to the second level,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: get out in space and block, and really unlocked that
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: athleticism in multiple, multiple ways. You know, there's some past
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: pro technique stuff that I think he's going to have
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: to work on. You know, every once in a while
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: he drifts or kind of like fades off the top
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: of the set, which opens the inside. He'll also open
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the hip a little bit early on the outside against
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: high side speed. But in general he's I mean, he
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: didn't allow a sack last year. It's a Milwaukee offense
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: and that was a part of it with me as
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: well as you know, Utah ran the ball sixty percent
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: of the time. It's it's a read option like RPO
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: heavy offense that they ran last year. But I actually
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: went back and watched him in twenty twenty four. You're
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: welcome because good job doing drafted. Somebody told me to
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: do that. My friend Brandon Thorn said, hey, you know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: it might be worth going to watch twenty four because
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: they had a little bit more of like a spread
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: drop back scheme in twenty four. It wasn't as RPO
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: centric in twenty four, and so he did have a
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: few more I think last year he had one hundred
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: and five true pass sets, which take out like screens
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and RPOs and play action and just looks at straight dropbacks,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: so I think he had one hundred and five last year.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: He had one ninety nine the year before, so almost double.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: So it was a little bit more NFL style straight
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: dropback in twenty twenty four compared to twenty five. He's
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a very skilled pass protector. Already very good pass protector.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I mentioned the athleticism, the movement blocks, the reaches, the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: combos up to the second level. He can pull a
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: little bit too. If you want to pull the tackle,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: he can do that. They have now added Alex over
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: the last two offseasons, Will Campbell elite athlete, Jared Wilson
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: athlete at center, Caleb Blomo elite athlete, and even though
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: it's been a couple of years of him in the league,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Elijah Veritucker e lead athlete. So the four super athletes
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: on the offensive line. I asked Elliot Wolf about it
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: after the draft on Friday, and he said that that
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: was a initiative, like that is an objective of THEIRS
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: to get more athletic off the offensive line. There's a
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: lot of layers to pull back of that on that onion,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: you know, like there's different directions you could take that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: But he mentioned a couple of different things. A obviously,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: box number one is pass protection and protecting Drake May, right,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: So the more athletic guys you have in theory, they're
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: better pass blockers. The number two thing, though he mentioned
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: was movement, you know, multiple run scheme, but also moving
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the pocket a little bit with Drake May as well,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and they feel like those athletes will help that. So
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I do think that they're trending in that direction. Now.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe it won't be twenty six because they're still gonna
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: have Moses and on when you on the right side
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: in twenty six, But I think their long term goal
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: is to have an offensive line that's built more on
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: athleticism than power. But with that has to come changes
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: in scheme. Right, You're not gonna run you know, gap
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: on hill gap schemes with athletic offensive linemen like that's counterintuitive.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: So I do think that long term they're going to
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: have to shift maybe to more zone blocking. And we've
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: heard that before, We've heard them try to do it before.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think that anybody that is of the level
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: of Josh McDaniels in terms of a coordinator, has tried
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to do it. But they have tried to do it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: The other thing I would just mention in that similar
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: bucket is I look at Mike Gonwenu, who is in
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the final year of a three year contract, expensive at
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: twenty five million dollars cap hit, and is a three
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: fifty pound road grading offensive lineman. So on the one hand,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: you could say, okay, well, maybe the left side's going
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: to be athletic and the right side's going to be
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: more power for this year. But long term, if they're
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: trying to get more athletic, if they're trying to do
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: more of the zone boots and all that kind of stuff,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you know, is on when who really in the long
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: term plans they're at right guar because that doesn't fit
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: him either. So those are of the two kind of
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: like domino scheme effects that I sort of saw from
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: this pick. But it is interesting to mean that they
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: are making it very clear that they want athletes on
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the offensive line over road graders like an on win who.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Let's move on to your favorite pick of the draft.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sure yeah, and I think most people's clearly the
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: player that has the let's call it cleanest path to
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: contribute right away, easiest path to contribute right away. That's
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: gay Baccus with the fifty fifth overall pick. In the
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: second round, they trade up again with the Chargers this time.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I believe it was right Bill's first time Chargers, second
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: time gay Baccus. I don't know what else to say. Besides,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: this guy is just a textbook rable guy. I mean,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: he's he's mean, he's physical, he's violent, he can I
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: think win in enough of a wide variety of ways
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: in the pass rush. The one thing that I would
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: kind of ask tru Sierra Mellie at Wolf again, he's
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: not the speed guy that they said that they were
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: trying to naget. That's the one thing that I found interesting.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: But he overwhelmingly fits the profile and every other way
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that I think that's probably why we got here.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I would also rather truth Sierram Meliot Wolf about that
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: speed rusher comment. Yeah, was that really how they felt
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: or was that just the smoke screen? Smoke screen, Yeah,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: because I remember when he said that at the time,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: thinking like they might need a little more than just
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: like a designated pass rusher speed guy. They might need
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: a three down guy, which I think achis, if not
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: could be right now, will be by the end of
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the year. You talked about the development of his rush plan.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I think you can see Joe Kim's fingerprints all over that. Yeah,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and that's something that improved a lot from twenty four
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to twenty five. A guy that I think can get
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to the quarterback but also play the run needs to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: be a little more disciplined, but that coachable against the run.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: They have had Evan I So at first I'm going
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: back and looking at this, and I'm like, all right,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: they really haven't had a lynchpin pass rusher since they
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: moved on for Matthew Judon. Yes, that's only two years ago,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: but they've been trying to replace him. Harold Landry did
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: get to eight and a half sacks last year, but
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: dealt with the injury. Now we don't know. But then
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I actually went back and looked a little further. So
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Matthew Judon had two double digit sax seasons when he
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: was here. Joshua Ucha had won. That came because he
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: was in Parks. He's rushing opposite Matthew Judon, who was
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: getting an attention. Do you know the last double digit
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: sax season before Judon Chandler Jones. Chandler Jones. Yeah, in
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. So it's been in some ways. They've spent
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the last ten years still trying to replace Chandler Jones,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: which is wild to think about. And they did for
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit there with Judon. But I don't I
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: don't think Acis is gonna be like a seventeen or
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: eighteen sack guy in the season. Can he be a
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: guy that maybe not in his rookie year, but after
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: his rookie year, once he get some experience under his belt.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Can he be a guy that reliably gets you like
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: eleven to thirteen fourteen sacks a year. Yes, and they've
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: needed that guy. And I think all the Judon comps
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: are funny. He said himself. He's talked to Judon. He
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: models the game after jud On, Like if he can
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: be again, I don't think he's gonna be prime Judon
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: as a rookie, but over the course of however long
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: he's here. They got Judon at what age twenty nine? Yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: they got him kind of at the peak and on
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the downturn. If he can be Matthew Judon here what
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Judon was for two years, for five, six, seven, eight years,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: that's a hell of a pick. And maybe I don't know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: maybe that's too high of an expectation. That's kind of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: where I'm at with him.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I and maybe again maybe Manifest is a rookie, but
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: sure I see some of the Judon comps in terms
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: of his pass rush. Yeah, I think he's a lot
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: heavier of a player, just like in terms of his
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: play strength and like his.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Power, because I was gonna say, Judn is two sixty
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: five and.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Judon, like I don't Judon was running the like he
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: was running the arc right, he was just running around
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: tackles like I see. Accus is a guy that was
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: a little bit sturdier and played the run a little
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: bit better than Matthew Giohon, but didn't have quite the
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: burst and the bend that Judan does off the edge. Obviously,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: his his foundation is power, both in the run in
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the past. But he's a bull rusher, you know, like
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: he's gonna have that foundation. I think that one of
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: the things. And it's something real quick on that.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Sorry you talked about the toughness thing with and the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: anchor thing with Lomu. Yeah, Acus is going to put
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: him through the gauntlet in training camp.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Right, It's gonna be very important to see Campbell too,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I think yeah, And Draymond Jones is a lunch pale
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: guy too. I got to bring your hard hat to
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: that fight. Also. Uh So with Akis, though, I I
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: feel as though and I myself included, we probably overrate
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: the like finesse, like twitchy speed guys a little bit
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: too much. Yeah, because it's just fun to watch, right,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: It's fun to watch a guy off the edge that has,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: you know, the ability to just completely make a tackle
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: with you know, in a pass set and he can
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: go inside out quickly and his bendy and bursty off
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: the edge. But then you get up into the pros
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and like all of the really good pass rushers in
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the Pros still can still win with power in some capacity,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: and it's it's really only a few guys that win
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: at a high level. I think the one guy everybody
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: always points to is like a T. J. Watt who
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: win at a high level with more finesse, being like
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: their their number one card that they play. Most guys
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: win with power first and then compliment power with finesse.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: So I think Acus is that kind of guy. He
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: wins with power. He's going to go right through people
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: with the bull rush. I think he's got enough of
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: like an inside move though with some a little bit
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: of That's where you see the twitch come out a
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: little bit is with the swim move, especially where like tackles,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: they kind of come out to get them because they
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: want to, you know, close the space between the two
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: of them to eliminate the bull rush. And then he's
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: got a little bit of twitch to his game to
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: jump inside the tackle with an inside move. And then
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: he does have a little bit of like a rip
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: move off the edge, so when he gets hands on him,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: he can kind of come through and secondary you know,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: counter with a rip move and then bend around the corner.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: The other thing that I think is really valuable about
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: his game that needs to be mentioned, he's really effective
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: on stunts. Yeah, last year the Patriots ran stunts on
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: their defensive line at the second highest rate in the NFL.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: And this is a guy whether it's just classic T
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: and E you know, tackle end stunts or longer stunts
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: where there's multiple interior penetrators and he's looping around as
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: the rap rusher, he's a very effective rap rusher. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: he's got a nice closing gear to him that we
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: saw with that like four to six whatever it was
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: in the forty yard dash, So he has that ability
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: as well that on third down. I'm not sure he's
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: like a natural speed winner that's gonna be able to
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: just win one on ones all game long. I'm not
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: sure that's really going to be a strength of his.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: But if you put him in a line that uses
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of different pressures, you know, whether they're stunts
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: or schemed rushes or whatever the case may be, I
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: think he's got a lot of like feel and timing
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: to his game to be able to do that.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: He's a three year starter, four year starter, right like
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: he sees it. Well, that also remind me something just
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: to go back to Loman real quick. Sorry, I forgot
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: to say this. The thing about him like studying and
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: trying to get head all that. Yeah, you know what,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: he was very good against that at Utah line games.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: What did they really really struggle with last year on
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the offensive line line games? Yeah, So that'll be a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: fun But again, Akus is almost like the perfect player
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: to test a guy like Caleb Blomu and even Will Campbell.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that, oh great, their second round
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: picks A good pick. Because he'll push the first round
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: pick in camp.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: But if you draw up the guy, iron sharpens iron.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Right, if you draw up the guy like who's going
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to give Lomu the biggest kind of problems, it would
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: be Gabe Acus. Now the other side of that, And
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: this goes to something you text me about this I
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: think was this morning. As much as I'm raving about Akis,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: I will say, like, what worries me the most with him?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: As is the case with a lot of these power guys,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: what is going to happen when he faces the behemoth
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: tackle that you just can't run through, right, the Trent
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Brown type like you, I don't care who you are,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: You're not getting through him. And that's where you know,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: people knock his quickness. I think he's got a quick
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: first step where his quickness to music concern is like
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: his foot like like we talk about with the receiver,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: like the change of direction. So they don't really have
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: one of those guys, Yeah maybe not, No, it's not
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: really they don't really have one of those jumbo tackles.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I guess lorenz Mets would be as close as they have, right.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: So that's going deep on my roster.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I thought I had was like, all right, like him
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: and Proctor in Miami is gonna be a good battle
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: that Proctor is gonna play guards. So you you you
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: were raced out. Who are like the jumbo tackles on
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: their schedule? Patrick Paul was also on Miami Happy. Yeah,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Patrick Paul's up, there's huge. Would you put on Dawkins
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: in that category?
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: He's I mean just good, that's true. Yeah.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the biggest guy the sewel
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I guess, but he's also just good.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Suell's not like a huge guy though.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They don't just they don't play a lot of
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: those like true oversized.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: No. I mean that's the concern with Akus. You know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: obviously we both like the player, but like if it
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't work out or it doesn't hit as high as
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: we think it might. Uh, the reason why he's going
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to be a little bit of stiffness, not a ton
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: of It's not so much that he doesn't have that
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: first step. It's more like the second and third step.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: He doesn't like gain speed around the arc. He's not
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the bendiest of players. He's a little bit rigid. He's
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit stiff in his movement and that you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: if the power doesn't fully translate from the college to
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: the pros against the grown man up here in the pros,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: then there might not be as much pass rush juice
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: as you'd want. I still think he's gonna be a
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: perfectly fine first and second down player, yeah, you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: but in terms of the third down double digit sacks
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: like that sort of thing, if the power doesn't translate
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: to him being you know, not to put him on
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: this pedestal. But like the one guy that I can
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: think of off the top of my head that it just
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: translated and he's a stud is Jared Verse, right, But
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Jared Verse has Jared Verse quicker and Jared very well
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: that you know, he was the first round pick and
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: he's a stud. But Jared versus power translated like that
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: directly translated to the league act is to be hit
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: his ceiling as a pro, he's gonna have to be
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: as stronger than everybody up here too, which is gonna
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: be a little bit harder. That's just that's the bottom line.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I was watching him even against some you know,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: some of the blocks that he went up against against
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: tight ends, will Kes, Merrick the guy the Dolphins drafted
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: in the third round. He kind of pants him a
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: couple of times, like, you're not gonna be able to
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: block this guy with the tight end regularly, right unless
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: your tight end is like Gronk, you know, like unless
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: it's like a really good blocking tight end. If it's
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a regular run of the middle tight end, like good luck,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: which is good.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: He's one of the guys you talk about the play strength,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: like they talked a lot about and Wolf made a
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: point of saying, like Weman needs to get in the
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: weight room, put on mass, Rareden needs to get in
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the weight room, put on mass.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Gabe Jacks physically is probably That's not to say he
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: can't get bigger, but he's probably NFL ready physically.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, That's why I think he has the best
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: chance to contribute right away, along with the depth chart
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: obviously at the position. I truly believe in, you know,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: just my last thing on Akis and then we should
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: move on. I truly believe Akis is gonna start putting
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: pushing Harold Landry early, like maybe even out of the gate.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Like this might be something in training camp where we
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: watch these these edge rushers Draymond Jones is gonna play.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: We know that, but we might start watching these guys
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: and say, the second best guy on the team at
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: that spot is is Acus already oh yeah, and he
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: might have to play over a guy like Harold Landry
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: h eli Arden next pick here in the third round,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: ninety fifth overall, a guy even more so than Lomu.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: In some ways, I think we can or else speak
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: for myself. I think I could honestly say I was
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: not going to get Lomu, like I just it wasn't
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: my guy, the left tackle, thing, all of it, just
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: the whole combination where I thought he was gonna go.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I just don't think I was ever gonna end with
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: him on any of my big boards. Rared In I'm
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: kicking myself over because I watched him and the two
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: things that I really liked about him were his ability
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: to stretch the field vertically from inside the numbers and
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: those giant ten and seven five ten and three quarters
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: inch hands with the catch radius and the size, and
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is a perfect drake may tight
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: end like a guy that has that a seventieth percentile
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: catch radius, gigantic hans and four six speed to get
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: up the field. He is a true like deep threat
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: tight end that exists right like that, that's really what
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: he is. Like he had eight catches on deep ball
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: last year. He catches on passes over twenty yards in
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: the air, he was eight for eight. He got all
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: eight of his targets on throws down the field last year.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: That led to class he is a true seam stretcher
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: at that position. It fits Drake May perfectly. I'm not
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: really overly concerned about the knee because he played twenty
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: eight straight games at Notre Dame and without the injury. Like,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: if we want to hold it against him that his
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: senior year of high school, in his freshman year at
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: college he had the ACL I mean that was multiple
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: years ago. I think the second one was in twenty
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Well, he missed some time in twenty three coming back
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: from it. That would be more where I'm at with
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: it is not oh and like, look we'll be every
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: time he gets hit, we'll be wincing a little bit.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's just the reality of it. Yeah, it's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: less that, Okay, I'm worried about him getting hurt again
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and more that like he lost two really important developmental years. Yes,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and so you know he's already twenty two, just turned
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: twenty two in February, and he's maybe a little behind
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: developmentally where you'd want to player that age taken in
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: that spot to be. That's more how the injuries hurt
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: him in the draft because he just hasn't played as
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: much football as you would expect, like he's a projection pick.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: He only is the one year really a production. Now,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: it was a good year. It was a really good year.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, to be fair to him, his
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: peak season was on par with the other tight ends
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: peak season, right, but it was only one. It was
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: only one. He doesn't have the career production. Like we
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: held the career production against Oscar Delp, and Delp still
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: had way more career production. But Raredan's draft eligible season
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: still topped Oscar Delp's season.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Last year significantly. But I think he had won three
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: catches before last year's.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't a lot, and he has He only
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: has three career touchdowns too, He had zero, sorry.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: He had sixteen total before last year.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: He had zero touchdowns last year too, thirty two catches,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: zero tds. So I would have liked to have seen
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more of a red zone presence.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was more Notre Dame's problem than it was
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Eli Rariden's problem.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when you have those running backs, you know,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: they did the red zone.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: The other thing that I, you know, had sort of
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: questioned with him was not necessarily upside as a blocker,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: because I think the upside is there. Yeah, Uh, the
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: effort wasn't always there, I would say politely, you know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: there were moments where I thought I was asking for
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: a little bit more in terms of some of the
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: same stuff that we talked about with Lomu. Honestly, you know,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: like effort, grit, nasty, you know, not really that kind
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: of blocker. But when he gets some momentum into his
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: blocks and he's able to move his feet a little
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: bit into generate power, I actually think that he he
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: creates some movement, especially on down blocks inserts. They would
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: insert him a lot, and they have him lead up
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: to the second level coming off the wing. He was
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: pretty effective at that. He can kick out a little bit.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I just wouldn't really expect him to stand in there
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: against a defensive end or a pat you know, a
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: edge rusher and just dig him out, you know, Like,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think that that's necessarily gonna be his game,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: but with the receiving upside, I think he has enough
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: blocking chops yeap. I also really like that he has
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: a complimentary skill set to what they currently have, so
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: twenty six, like this is definitely more of a pick
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: for twenty twenty seven and beyond developing him behind Hunter Henry,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: he can make an impact this year. I think he
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: can too, because Henry's your chain move. He's like a steady,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: chain moving tight end. Julian Hill is a blocking specialist.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Rareden brings a vertical element that the other two guys
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: just don't have, and and Henry might have had it
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: at one point in time, but he's thirty one, thirty
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: two years old.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I also think just rared in his ability to block
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: like they should, he's he's a better blocker Noutin Hooper.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: He might be, so I think we'll see if it translates.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Austin Hooper was an okay block.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: They should be able to run twelve more reliably. Oh
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that was it, I'll say, when we get that's the hope.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Another idea for them, But that's the same gets crown over. Yeah, No,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I think he can be a well rounded, well rounded player.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: The hope is is that last year when they played
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: two tight ends or more on the on the field,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I want to say they were twenty sixth in rush EPA. Now,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: their passing numbers were still great, but their passing numbers
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: were great against everybody you know in the regular season.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: So their ability to run the football out of those
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: heavy personnel groupings was not good enough to get defenses
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: into binds with it in terms of personnel matching. So
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: then once you got and played the better defenses in
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, now the twelve personnel package or the full
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: back or whatever it was, it was a waste, right,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: It just didn't do move the needle at all. With
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Hill's ability to block, Henry's reliability and just comfort level
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: with Drake May and now a guy like Raridan who
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: isn't a nothing blocker. He can block a little bit
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: and he can stretch the field vertically, I think you
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: have a group that is like maybe even capable of
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: all three guys being on the field in certain packages,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: which is fun. Yeah. So I think they have enough
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: complimentary skill sets in that respect that all these guys
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: can kind of play together, which I think will be
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: really cool. Maybe that gives reared In a little bit
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: of a faster path to contributing in twenty six because
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: most of the time rookie tight ends, especially ones that
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: aren't drafted super high. Yeah, you're talking about a developmental current. Yeah, no,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: he's They're still gonna have to ease him in, but
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I think he can. He'll be what did so Hooper
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: last year? At the start a year was on the
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: field like fifty percent of the time. Yeah, and then
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: the second half of the year that got cut to
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: like the high thirties. Yeah, I mean like a thirty
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: five to forty percent usage rate for rared in assuming
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: everybody's healthy.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: That just that feel it feels about right to me. Yeah,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I think that's unrealistic.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I think the question for him is, you know, what
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: was the reason for the fact that he wasn't a
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: big red zone factor, because that's an obvious way for
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: you to get on the field. Now, maybe he was
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: just blocking the whole time because they ran the ball
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: so much with those backs, but in general, you know,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: you look at a tight end who's six six two
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: forty five with that kind of wingspan in those hands
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: and that athleticism and movement skill, you would expect him
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: to be like a huge mismatch down there, right, and
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: it didn't really feature him in that way. So that
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: would be another area of his game that if it's
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: either untapped or needs development, maybe that could get him
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: on the field quicker too, you know, if he is
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: able to develop in the red zone. So exciting pick. Like,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I really liked him when I watched him initially, I
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: wish I had him on. I was kicking myself about that.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: He's got a lot of things that I think translate
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: really well to Drake. May you know this is not
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: a he doesn't necessarily have that underneath separation quickness Like
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: he's not He's not a change of direction guy. He's
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: a straight line athlete. But Drake Maylex thrown to those
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: kinds of guys, big target, fast. I really like him.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Let's do one more and then we'll take a break.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Big gap almost one hundred picks, eighty picks. Karon Prunty
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: from Wake Forest, I'll give you flowers. You mentioned him
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: on the show My Fires. He won't give me the
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: retweet I didn't give you. You wouldn't share your own
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: show talking about it. Guy they had in for a visit,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: A guy that I did a couple of minutes of
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: homework gone because they had him in for a visit,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: and I tried to know all those guys you mentioned Safety, like,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I maybe they developed him at Corner. I just look
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: at him as length his physicality. I think his best
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: trait might be his ability to blitz. He has a
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: couple of really good blitzes on the tape that I
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: watched of him coming off the short side. I maybe
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: safety is in the future. Maybe Corner. Obviously he's here
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: to cover kicks like that. That's number one. At Corner.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I thought he was a little, not a little, a
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: lot raw, you know, very like green player, more than
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: I would have liked. But okay, you know some of
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: the things that stood out to me. He gets a
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: little high in his pedal and a little bit off
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: balance at the top, which kind of leads to lags.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: So like when guys change directions on him, he kind
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: of has to gather and you know, get his feet
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: underneath them and change directions, and that puts him behind.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: He also bit a ton on double moves, Like every
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: single time a guy hit him with like a stutter
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: or a fake. He was biting on it. So there's
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: some little technique things, nuances, route anticipations, things like that.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: But he's long, he's got some speed, it has some
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: ball skills. He made some plays on the football at
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Wake Forest and even before that, so he's got some traits.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I think number one is obviously covering kicks and playing
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: in special teams, But where do you see his upside
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: on defense?
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's the kind of guy like if they
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: you know, when they were turning anybody and everybody into
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: a starting caliber cornerback back in the day, you get
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: a guy with these physical tools and we'd be like, oh, yeah,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: he's the next one, right, new coaching staff not saying
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: they can't do it, but we just haven't seen it.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna bet on traits, good traits to bet on.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I was definitely surprised they took him as high as
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: they did, but that's kind of your textbook day three pick. Yeah,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I see him coming in right away, playing a pretty
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: significant role on special teams. Then we'll see where he's
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: at at corner. Right. Can he compete with Kendallvilldor and
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Charles Woods and Kobe Minor for the third fourth boundary
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: corner spot. Yeah yeah, I mean he'll be in the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: mix there. His path to the roster will be, well,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: he's gonna make teams a fifth round pick, but like
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: he'll be playing special teams, and then it's just can
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: he develop at corner. Can he kind of hone the
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: technical side of it enough that he pushes for that
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: third or fourth boundary corner spot, and you know, can
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: he get there within the next couple of years. Ago
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: four years to work with him. He's a little bit
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: of an older guy, but that's kind of where I'm
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: at with him. Definitely special teams, core core, core, special teamer,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: and then we'll see what he gives him On defense.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I like the safety thing, but Ryan Cowden kind of
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: shot it down. He did.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I think what's funny about him is that he had
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: some really high level reps both in press and off coverage.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: He's got a pretty good trigger out of his penulticum
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: drive the ball from off coverage. I thought he had
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: some good pass breakups in press coverage too, but it's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: just wildly inconsistent with him right now. He's either in
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: the guy's hip pocket or he's getting burned and there's
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: no in between. So maybe you know there's some upside
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: there if he kind of rounds out his game and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: gets a little bit more consistency. I think that's the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: number one thing at a lot of positions, but especially
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: at corner. Consistency is always the key, right, Like you
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: can't have these huge peaks and valleys where one player
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: in the guy's you know, sweater than the next play
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: you're getting burned. Like you can't play like that, so
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: you have more consistency there. Let's do one more and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: then we'll take a break. I lie because this next
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: one's maybe my favorite pick of the entire draft, and
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: that's Demetrius crown Over from Texas A and M. I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: just thought that it was weird to me Ales had
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: when we started this process in February. This was a
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: fringe top one hundred prospect. Yeah, and then he fell
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: to one ninety six in the sixth round by the Patriots,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: and no one really had a great reason for it.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Older older prospect tackle tight end to tackle conversion maybe
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: a little bit raw for that age, I think is
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: probably the biggest thing. You know, he's got a lot
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: to work on and he's an older guy, so maybe
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: that coupled with the fact that he only really played
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: on the right side. Like that, those are the only
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: reasons I've heard. I haven't heard anything, you know, nefarious
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: or anything like that as to why he dropped from
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: really you know, when we started doing this in February,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I was like putting him on preliminary lists of top
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: one hundred guys, right, and then he falls all the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: way to the sixth round. I love this. This is
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: the exact kind of guy that I would always pound
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: the table for taking in the sixth round. Tons of traits,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: tons of upside. Get him to Doug Morone and have
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: him coach him up and see what happens. Like it's
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: not gonna happen right away. There's a lot of developmental
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: curve there. But even just the measurables like six six
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: three seventeen thirty five plus inch arms like these are
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: the types of guys you want to take flyers on
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: in the sixth round. Like this is exactly to me
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: what the end of the draft is about.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: No, it's a great pick, and I just don't think
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: you can have enough tackle depth. This is a guy
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: that can play both tackle spots. You know, again has
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: the athleticism to do that. They'll get him there. He
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: mentioned he's been training at left tackle on the draft,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: kind of knowing he might be asked to be a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: swing tackle. You mentioned the ceiling of potential top one
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: hundred pick. I just go back to Evan, how many
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: times do we make the joke the last couple years?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: That a lot, as long as we'd covered the team,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: tackles always conversation. Yeah, not only do I think this
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: is the best spot they've been in a tackle since
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: they covered the team. Dare I say it? It might be
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: the first time we've said it on the show, and
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: the first time either one of us has said it professionally.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: I feel good about where they're out of tackle between
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell, you know, Will Campbell and Morgan Moses this year,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: that's your immediate with Caleb Blomu as your swing, and
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: then in the long term Campbell and Lomu with crownovers
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: your swing. If Lomu like hits that starting caliber ceiling
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: we think he can hit. I feel pretty good about that.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: That's a good place to be in and they may
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: be set a tackle for the next three to five
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: years at least. So this pick just you know, it's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: not just because this pick. The LOWO picks a part
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: of that too, but this pick absolutely helps reinforce it.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: It was my favorite pick of the draft because I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: thought they had this big gap in the top one hundred.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Then they took Prunty, who I thought was kind of
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: a reach where they took him frankly, and they came
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: back and they pulled me right back in with this
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: is one of those things, all right, this is this
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: is one of those guys that this is who you
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: pick in the sixth round.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like we do this every year with like
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: two of their picks. If they had taken crown Over
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: at one seventy one and then, yeah, nobody really looked
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: twice at it. Yeah, so it's just kind of a
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: weird thing.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Do have a take on the consensus board nonsense.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Already sucking. I think they're helpful leading up to the
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: draft to kind of visualize it, But teams don't go
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: off the consensus board. They have their own board, and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: the thing you have to rememory.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Grading off the consensus board. But it's good to fodder
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: to start.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: With, right, Good fodder is a good way to put it. Yeah,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: because especially in this draft, with how weird this draft was,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: it was weird. I know for a fact talking to people,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: there was one player in this draft at least. I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: mean there might have been multiple, but I know there
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: was one player in this draft that some teams had
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: graded as high as the second round, some teams had
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: graded as low as the sixth. So that shows up
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: is what a fourth round pick on the consensus if
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: you were to average that out right, So if he
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: goes in the second, it's like, oh my god, they
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: overdrafted him. If he goes in the sixth, it's like,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: oh my god, what a steal. He went in the fourth. Yeah,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: like or I actually forget where he actually went, but like,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: if he goes in the fourth, it's like, oh, he's
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: on the consensus. So that's just like, it's not a
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: it's not a perfect tool. It's helpful going into it.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: And yes, I'm the I'm mister respect to the board guy.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: And if you were doing a mock draft and to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: crown over in the sixth, I say that's kind of nuts.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit here today and say it's kind of nuts.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: The Patriots got him in the sixth round and to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: see that one coming. So it's a useful tool going in.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: But I don't yeah, I'm not. I don't think you
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: necessarily grade off of it, especially as you look at
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: you know, what else happened at the position in the draft?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Did information come out late about him? With the information
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: we didn't know? I always go back to what was
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: his name the Eagles draft, Nolan Smith. We all thought
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Nolan Smith was the first round pick, no doubt, no doubt,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Nolan Smith.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Was the first round pick. You mean the Georgia linebacker,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: not Nolan Smith. I know whom I thinking of the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: other guy? It's on the tip of my tongue, and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: I said.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Nolan Smith.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Nolan Smith also on the Eagles. But you're thinking about
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: the linebacker that fell, yeah, a couple of years ago,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: also from Georgia.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: No, it was Nolan Smith. No, it was Nolan Smith
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: went in the first round. You're right, Who was it?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Kobe Dean?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Kobe Dean.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Wow, that was already like five years ago.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: My god, remember that. I don't know it was it
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: was literally I could see him, I could It was.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Like Kobe Dean was no question, first round pick. Something
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: thought he was the best linebacker in the draft. He
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: starts falling in up the eighty third. It was like,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: what the hell happened? And then it gets reported after
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: the pick he had a older injury, like he was
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: refusing to get surgery on it or something. There's like
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: a weird thing in there about shoulder injury that wasn't
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: being handled right. The consensus sport doesn't account for that
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: because we, or at least the vast majority of people
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: don't know. So there was somebody I remember the Cold
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Strange here, one guy on had Cole Strange in the
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: first round, and that was factoring in the consensus board.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: So I think it goes to various degrees. But here's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: my other thing about about Crownover. Before we move on
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: sneaky fun, nobody but else is gonna care a position
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: battle and camp Jumbo tackle jumbo tackle low Mover's crown Over.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: And then I have an even even add on to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: this table. Right, the Lowmu's the higher pick. Here's my
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: one B. Do we get a formation both of them?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: You put crown Over next to Moses, You put Lomu
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: next to Campbell with Gilliam and Stevenson. You make mac
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Hollins the wide receiver. You're ready, Here's what we're gonna
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: call it. We're called the Henderson package. You know why No,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: because they're just gonna snowplow their way down the field.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Shout out Mark Anderson.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: But they have it, doesn't Travion obviously throws that off
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: like they have a trade. They have a Henderson on
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: the team.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot about that. So that's not you know,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: because original I was gonna call the Originally I thought bulldozer.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Packaged, but that was what about snowplow?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: That's disrespecting Blake Bell's snowplow. But then I patriot to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: fight it.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: But I mean, this is New England, this is Massachusetts.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: It's snows.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: But if I say Patriots and snowplow, there's a certain
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I know it's hanging in the team Hall of Fame, okay,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: but that that it's going to confuse the No, I
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: forgot about that. Yeah, wait, why why is this about Trevion?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: He's not even on the I did I did forget
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, so maybe we called the snow your
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: thoughts on the snowplow pack?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: I love it? Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm all
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: four point and that kind of I want to see.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: I want to see that. Put both of them out there,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: make them both eligible.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: So they did that a little bit last year with
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: defensive players like Tonga and Milton Williams were on the field,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: like for the Tushwin.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, yeah, that's like one time.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like they they had that package in their
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: back pocket.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: I'm talking.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Defensive players this time. Crown Over used to be a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: tight end.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: So he's not right, like very low kind of touchdown, right,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: you have at least be aware of him. Lomu's athletic.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: You know, he's got that Nate Solder vibe to him
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit. He does crown Over well, So I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: guess who do you put on which side? Crown Over
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: and Lomu.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Oh if you're trying to like put all the run
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: blockers on one side and you'd put crown Over.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: To Moses, I guess it would depend to which side
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: do you have Mac Collins on? But yeah, this is
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: the this is the I want to see them run
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: this package.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: It's interesting the Nate Solder comp for Lomu, I think
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: works in terms of play style, play demeanor great athlete.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Soldier is a lot taller, you know, like that's the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: big difference, like that much taller tolder soldiers like six
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: nine soldiers six nine. Yeah, oh yeah, solder solders a
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: lot six.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: There's not that many people get it that much. Yeah
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: older six nine Yeah, So that I is it crap?
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe not from a full measurement standpoint. Are they a
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: great comparison? But both great athletes, both not necessarily glass eaters,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: you know, Like right, I think there is a little
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: bit of Nate solar. All right, we gotta take a break.
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  Speaker 2: Uh Namdi Obiazor from TC, the two hundred and twelfth
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  Speaker 2: pick in the draft. I remember watching and thinking, okay,
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  Speaker 2: the the other linebacker that the gods got not you know,
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  Speaker 2: let's mental note, right, this happens where you're watching the
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  Speaker 2: main guy and then the secondary guy is the one
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: that the team ends up with. I liked him a
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: little bit. I think the one thing that you know,
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  Speaker 2: you point out is obviously, you know, two hundred and
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: twenty nine pounds, so he's not a big dude. He's
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  Speaker 2: also pretty sot off, you know, in terms of arm length.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's got short arms and he's not very tall
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  Speaker 2: or you know, or I should say short arms, and
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: he's not very thick, right, he's not. He doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of mass on his frame. But I did
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  Speaker 2: like his motor. I did like his hustle, his his speed,
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  Speaker 2: straight line speed, and he's got a little bit of that,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: like flexibility to scrape and bend underneath blocks and elude
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: blockers and slip blockers in the trenches. I just wish
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: he was a little bit longer, h you know, in
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: terms of his length, so that he could kind of
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  Speaker 2: get into passing lanes, a little bit more cast, a
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: little bit of a wider net tackling, you know, like
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: all those good stuff that comes with long arms. That's
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: my guess is why he's a you know, six round
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  Speaker 2: pick and not a top one hundred type of pick.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: But I thought there was a little bit of athleticism
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: there and a little bit of you know, uh, scraping
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: lateral quickness, that type of stuff. Another guy that probably
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: will play a lot on special teams.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Kind of reminds me of marked him off a little
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: bit a little bit, knows Nate, and I wonder if
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: kind of that same that same path is in store
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: for him, course special teamer mix in a little bit
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: at linebacker. It's gonna be interesting between him. I mean,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: he's gonna probably make the h I guess two twelve,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: but like, yeah, between him, kJ Britt Chad Muma. If
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: they signed one of these linebackers they brought into rookie
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: mini camp, like that's a battle in camp for the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: third guy behind Obviously Robert Splaynon and christ Nellis is
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: still your second linebacker at this point. But I know
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: you said earlier, maybe they signed win a free agency
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting. To see how that all that
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: all pans out. I think that's an open competition between
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: all those guys.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you know that if you're projecting
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: him to play a little bit on defense, Uh, he's
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: got to improve his off the ball reads and reactions.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: Like there's some times where like the ball's going left
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: and he's going round.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: It was also just the size too. I think like
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: he's got six three twenty nine is gonna be tough
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: to really gown.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 8: For.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: But then you lose the athleticism or is he just
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: a is he just a third down player? Is he
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: just a blitzer and coverage guy and that's his role?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe? Uh. Next that two thirty four Baron Morton
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: from Texas Tech, the quarterback. I think we all kind
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: of expected them to be on a quarterback at some point,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: whether it was a late round draft pick or an
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: undrafted rookie.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: They take more in seventh, seventh round, two hundred and
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: thirty fourth overall, so late in the draft.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Little Bailey Zappy? Is that is that incorrect? I kind
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: of saw a little bit of Bailey ZAPPI like he's
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: a little nimble, he's a little jitterbug. Back there. He's
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: got some arm elasticity.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the kid can change the can change.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: The arm angles and everything doesn't have the biggest arm.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: So, okay, this is where I'm gonna cut you off
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: because this is what fascinates me about this pick. Here's
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: you're all say for everbody, Oh, they should take a
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: nus Meyer who was still there. Nus Myer's boring as hell. Yeah,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean he's bad, he's just boring. I know
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: exactly what he is. I know exactly what he will be.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: There's no and like the fact he went in the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: seventh round, that's just he's gonna be a third quarterback
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: for the rest of his career, will make a lot
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: of money. Good for him. Congratulations. When you're taking a
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: quarterback late, I don't want boring. I want a little
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: something that maybe there's some some unknown Joe Milton. So
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Joe Milton's the apex of this. They'll never be another
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Joe mill First off, Taylor Green very interesting. Joe the Browns,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: which is.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: So Tailor and Green.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: He start games there this year, so Browns, it's very Browns. Yeah,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: here's what interests me about Baron Morton, the big knock
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: you see on him is arm strength. We have to
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: keep in mind he played two full seasons with a
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: sprained ac joint in his right shoulder. Why he did that,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Very tough guy. Fought through it, but
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: he was dealing with that. Finally gets the surgery after
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: twenty four to fix it, comes back in twenty five and,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: like Earlish in the season, suffers a hairline fracture in
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: his right leg. That's your push leg. You generate power
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: from there. Yeah, and then playing through that again. Why
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: did he do it? Don't know. I wanted to put
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: the team on his back, right, tough guy. They went
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: eleven to zero with him. Startles, hiss nails. Right, this
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: is vrable guy. But so we're talking shoulder joint, we're
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: talking push leg. That affects how hard you throw the football.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know that he can't. Like in the few
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: games where he's healthy, you can see there's significantly more
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: zip on the ball. There's just not enough of a
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: sample size to say definitively I feel good about it.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's I think he's got more arm strength than Zappy.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there's nothing to it, and I'm overrating this.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: But if he goes out and balls out in the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: preseason and you trade him and you turn a seventh
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: into a six, yeah, great, awesome, great use of that pick.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: And then you know, just like with Milton again, that
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: same thing. So he's not I don't want to compare
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: him to Joe Milton because he's not. Nobody is. Drew
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Aller went entirely too high. Oh, if you liked Joe Milton,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you like Drew Aller. I'd like Daler would be fine.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: It to forty five. I'm not taking Drew Roalary seventy
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: six like the Steelers did. But I'm fascinated by the
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: idea that this guy played through significant injuries for basically
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: the entirety of three years still led Texas Tech to
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: the playoff, which, by the way, I have not mentioned
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: after you dumped on them that one time, and like,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: let me say, let me see what happens. I am
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: interested in this. This is an interesting pick. This is
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: such a you pick to be interested in it. You
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: don't think there's some sort of something like this guy
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: for three years. You don't want to see what happens.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: On the other side, there's some gamer mentality in there,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: and I do think that there's.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: It's not just gamer mentality, it's literal physical ability. How
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: much was he held back physically about.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: The countries fair enough? And I also think that there's
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: you know, what I liked most about him was that
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: he's got some nimbleness, Like he can move around a
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: little bit. He's not drake man, He's not a runner.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I think he had like negative because in college, a
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: sack counts his negative rushing arts. He had like negative.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: He can move around in the pocket, he evades rushers. Yeah,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: he's got that pocket awareness and the nimble is a
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: good word for it.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: To him. He's not super accurate. I wouldn't say he's
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: more generally accurate, Like I don't think. I think the
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: difference between him and Bailey Zappi is I think Morton's
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: got a little bit more physical talent than Zapi did.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Zappi was a little bit more active.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Weird thing with Morton is I think he throws with
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: good anticipation, which usually goes hand in hand with accuracy. Yeah,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't with him. Yeah, he throws his good anticipation.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: You can see what he's trying to do. But the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: ball doesn't always get there.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like one of those quarterbacks that's like, that's
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: a catchable ball, but it's not really. It's in the
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: outside shoulder instead of the inside shoulder. It's a little
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: low or it's a little high. Yeah, but technically it's catchable.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Real quick.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: After they had all these players drafted and went to
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: college football playoff, will you admit Texas Tech is legit?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Now? Listen, It's not my fault that Indiana and Texas Tech,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: but I and all these schools that we grew up
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: be thinking Indiana was nothing.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Indiana was nothing. Texas had some good years.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Indiana is a basketball school. Yeah, you can't compare Indiana
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: to Texas. Texas Tech was was the little brother.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: It's like brother, but they had the Michael Kraft, Tree,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Graham Harrold teams were good.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Yam Holmes, I guess, but do you want to like, yeah,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: I can see the backstory. Is I try to explain,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: but also like Bailey gets drafted, Yeah, Ramelo Hike gets drafted. Yeah,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: their quarterback got drafted. Like are they gonna still be good?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Is this like a are they a machine?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: So this is what I was trying to explain you.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: They they have a lot of money invested in the
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: program in Nil so.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Mark Cuban is also funding. Because Mark Cubban's funding Illinois.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's oil people in Texas. I don't
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: know that. But so the backstory is Evan one time
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: refused to it. I was like, Texas text legit, and
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: he was like, oh, they're not legit. It's Texas Tech.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Like they don't have re alignment. I think they have
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: a tackle next year. It's going top ten. So to
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: answer your question, they did have another really good class.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if you're seeing this they got
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: I think he was the highest paid transferportal quarterback or
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: one of them. Brendan Soresby from Cincinnati.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah good.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: You probably watched him a little bit because you watched
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati receivers. He got caught up in some gambling stuff
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: in the last like twenty four hours, so I heard him.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: So like in theory, yes, they built up to be
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: good again. We now have to see what happens with
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: sores By. But that has nothing to do with lack
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: of investment.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, Uh. Another big program guy at two forty five,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Jam Miller, great name for running back, Like you would
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: imagine that in the movie Draft Day, if there was
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: a running back that was like a projected like top
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: five pick in Draft Day two, they're gonna call him
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: jam Miller because it's just a great name.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: But as already they're already calling him jam Bam Cunningham.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of people say that.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: As good as he is as his name is, is
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: he good, Like does he have a chance here?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: I think he for where they took him, for what
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: he is like as your third back. I think he's
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: a guy. He does a little bit of everything. He
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: catch the football, he can block. He's not like amazing
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: at it, but like you can throw him the football
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: and trust him. He blocked well in college. We'll see
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: how that translates. He's gonna take what's blocked. He's tough
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: to bring down runs with some power. I don't think
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: he's like an explosive play threat. I don't think he's
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: somebody that comes in and pushes rimondro stevensoner Trevion Henderson.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: I do think he, in theory, represents an upgrade over
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Terrell Jennings. Like he's kind of similar to Trel Jennings,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: but I think he can do a little bit more.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Like he's similar runner to Trell Jennings. I think he
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: can do more. In the past game, we'll see where
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Lan Larrison's at, Like, and then he plays a ton
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: of special teams. Yeah, and not as a returner, as
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: a coverage guy. Maybe they have him return kicks. He's
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: got the body for it. But like, I think they
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: do a ton of special team stuff.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: So he didn't return any kicks in college, but I see,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: you know, he ran a four four, three or four.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: I was surprised by that.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He doesn't have great instant burst or acceleration. He's
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: more of a builder of speed, which kind of is
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: conducive to kickoffs because you have a lot. You know,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: you have twenty yards before somebody hits you, right, so
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: you can build up that speed. I think he's got
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit of that. He's got a little bit
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: of jump cut ability, Like his lateral cuts do create
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: some space and he can't elude tackles that way. All
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: the Alabama people think he has no vision. The games
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: that I watched, I watched Georgia, like some of the
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: big games there wasn't a whole lot of room to run.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Guys like, I don't know where you wanted him to go.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not a whole lot of room to run
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: in the NFL.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: And Alabama did not have a great year up front,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: I would say in that regard offensively, So, I don't know.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe there's some vision concerns.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: There and that that goes into the kickoffs too. You
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: have to have good vision.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, but I think the straight line speed in
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: the obviously he carries his frame well and he has
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: got kind of like a squatty frame that he carries
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: some weight on. It looks pretty good. You mentioned the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: pass catching. The past blocking needs work as most do
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: running backs needs. So if he's gonna play, truly play
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: in the passing game. But I think where he's more
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: effective is like leaking out on like first and second down.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good check When I say he's good
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: in the passing game, he's not James White. He's like
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: he can handle himself as a checkdown guy. He's not
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: gonna stumble over himself in the route. You know, his
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: hands are reliable, He'll pick up, he gets what's given
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: to him, which is sounds obvious. Not every guy does.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Some guys try to overcomplicate it. He gets what's given
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: to him. He's like a decent you know. I think
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: he's an upgrade over twelve Jennings is the third back.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's somebody that pushes anybody. He further
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: up the depth chart, but I think he can be
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: a fine throw back. And again he's gonna play a
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: ton in the kicking game.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Last thing on Jim Miller, then we can move on.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: In that Georgia game, they ran like a boot flat
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: play where he just went fast to the flat right
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: out of the backfield and the quarterback booted a round
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: and threw it to him. He slid in bounds to
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: keep the clock rolling late in the game and the
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: game I almost clipped it and posted on Twitter because
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: as like Mike Rabel and Stretch just lost it.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: This guy who remember the time they told Trayvon Henderson
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: to score against Tampa?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, Like he just the football situational awareness whatever
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: that's called.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: That was everything was there. He was there for a
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: while and like most Alabama running backs are three years
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: and done, if that he was there for a while.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what class he was, but he's
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: a smart You don't hang around that long at that
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: program without being a smart player. Yeah, he was there for.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's the most fluid runner, and I
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: didn't think that he had like a great instant is
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: there for four years accelerator that's gonna be the biggest thing.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: It's more of like a builder of speed than it is.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: And you know, he he has that ability to hit
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: one really good jump cut or he's a little bit
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: of a one cut runner too on stretch zones and
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: things like that. But if you're asking him to like
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: stack moves together to like navigate through things, that's going
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: to get a little bit dicey. He's he's a one
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: cut and go kind of guy. And that's okay. That's
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: the type of back that he is. Last one here
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: Quintavious Hutchins from Boston College, right down the street, local
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: school product. He's from Alabama. Actually he's not from here,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: but Quintavious Hutchins another guy that was a kind of
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: a star special teamer at Boston College.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: He got asked to describe his game in the post
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: draft call, and first thing he said with special he.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Was like, really really good in the kicking game. Bill O'Brien,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: I talked to him yesterday because I'm writing Hutchins' rookie
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: profile for the website, and he just mentioned the the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: body type. You know, it's just a nice body type
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: for special teams where he can still run, but he's
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: got some physicality, yeah, and play strain to him. O'Brien
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: also mentioned third down pass rushing. You know that was obvious,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: you know, watching him play bend and it's got some
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: quickness to him, some bend to him, some inside out
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: ability so he can rush the passer a little bit.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: He can play in the kicking game. Probably a guy
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: that makes the team on not probably he will be
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: a guy that makes the team on special teams. But
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: if he makes the team on special teams, can he
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: be a in a pinch third down pass rusher type. Yeah,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: I think so. He's only measured in at two hundred
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: and thirty three pounds. O'Brien said that he probably played
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: closer to two forty last year. I think he lost
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: some weight for the combine, but not the biggest guy
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: out on the edge. But he's got some finesse he's
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: got some burst, he's got some ability to bend the arc.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: I think that there's something there. They really liked him.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: They worked him out at the Boston College Pro Dame
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Mike Frable was there, Mike Smith was there. The Patriots
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: outside linebackers coach Doug Moron worked with him at BC
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: a bunch reverse engineering. Doug Moroon would break down the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: tackles on the opponent and scout the tackles and then
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: tell him. And you know, the other thing that O'Brien
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: mentioned to me was as Iraku was on the other
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: side a lot. So the twenty twenty four season, Hutchins
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: had some pretty good production because all the double teams
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: in attention were going to as Iraku. Then as Iraku obviously,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: you know, ages out and goes to the NFL Draft,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: and then last year the production dipped because he was
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: getting more of the attention. So one of those types
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: of things for a seventh round, last pick of the
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: draft type player, I actually see a path to the roster.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Now he's gonna have to beat out like a Branden Switson.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna beat out Elijah Pon.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: I do feel like it because they they do need
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: another rusher. Feels like you want to keep five guys.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's him and Braden Swinson probably for that
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: last spot. And special teams will obviously play a big
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: role in that.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so that's uh, that's your rundown of
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: the draft. Give me one the running back Montgomery Okay.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: I liked him a little bit fluid, a little bit
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: more fluid than jam Miller. Kind of similar though, like
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: the similar they kind of have some of that late
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: burst and all that kind of stuff. But I saw
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit more flexibility, a little bit more fluidity
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: to his game than a guy like jam Miller. I
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: tried to get into the receivers. Uh, the kid from
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: two lane North Texas, Texas. I don't know why. I
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: said too lane North Texas Dorner too slow. I I
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: couldn't do it. I think so I think it's too slow.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: I just what do you think of that offense? Bizarre?
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: What do you think? A mess to maker?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: And I didn't watch it that close.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: It's the quarterback. I know that was the highest scoring
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: offense college football last year. Really Yeah, and that quarterback
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: got he was another one like the I love it.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: They're called the mean Green that I love good. Yeah.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: No, their branding is legit.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Their quarterback got like big money to go to Oklahoma State.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: He was like a breakout starlast year. Watch a little
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: More one. I'm just curiously think of that offense. The
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: way they used Dorner reminded me a little bit how
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Kaishan Boody was used with the Patriots. Yeah, just like
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: get to the intermediate, get to the sticks, run a
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: little bit after the catch. I think Dorner can play.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people like Kyle Dixon as well.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: He got the big signing bonus from them. I would
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: point out, so did CJ. DePree last year and he
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: didn't make the team.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Dorners.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough, though. They have a lot of
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: wide receivers that should Their room's kind of crowded, and
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a spot for one of
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: these udfas to crack it, especially because the guys you're
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: talking about maybe being on the outside looking in are
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas and Fton Chishom, and those are inside guys.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: You know. Dorner's kind of both more of an inside guy.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: Dixon is an outside guy. Six', Four dixon's not playing
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: in the. Slot SO i look At John Darius, morgan
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: the guard FROM uab had played left, tackle moved to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: right guard last, year was, good and you, know does
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: he give him depth six, four three twenty good. Size
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: and Then Jacob, rizzy who was primarily a guard but
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: has played all five, spots gives him some you, know
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: some extra depths and MULTIPOSITIONAL i look at the two
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: guards as the GUYS i think have have good chances
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: to make the.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Team, YEAH i haven't Think montgomery is gonna surprise some.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: PEOPLE i liked. HIM i think him and Jam miller.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: Are they could have probably Drafted montgomery instead Of james
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Jan miller and and we wouldn't have thought.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Twice about that special teams.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Experience and, yeah so we'll see if those guys can
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: kind of Push, Terrell Jennings Land, therrison you know for
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: running back. THREE i wanted to like the receivers more
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: THAN i. DID i, thought Uh A dorner was just
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: a little bit too. SLOW i like the revel of
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: competition with De journal and those guys is.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: Tough jernal did play well Against. Oregon i'll give them
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: credit for. That he and he can play a little
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: more on the inside, too so MAYBE i should be
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: looking more at. Him. Yeah, yeah the other two, guys you,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Know kibble and and Uh, Dixon like there's some impressive stuff,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: there but when you consider who they're playing, against and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: they're both kind of contested catch, Guys, yeah these corners
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: are going to be a lot, better and you're not
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: going to be able to make it As jessic and
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: tested catch guy necessarily at the next, Level so, yeah
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: they'll be put to the.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Test all, right let's take these. Calls everybody's been waiting
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: forever a SO i don't know if they're all still,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: there but we'll. SEE i Think sean was, first so
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: let's go With Seana. Vancouver he.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 11: HAVN'T i got a couple of, Things. Alex you have
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 11: brought up the analogy quite a few times with the
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 11: baseball player who runs the first like five, seconds which
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 11: one is? BETTER i think this applies To Eli. RERIDON
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 11: i think this is a guy who has the physical
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 11: abilities and he just needs, Coaching he needs. Refining so
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 11: this is the type of player where you know you're
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 11: bringing in someone a little more raw and you can
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 11: make them something special now in terms of the, TEST
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 11: i don't know if you see it this, way.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: BUT i see.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 11: It there's a good possibility that low move would back
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 11: up left tackle and over backup right. Tackle have that
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 11: the road graders on the right side and the more
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 11: finessicill guide on the left. Side could you see that
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 11: as something moving?
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: Towards leave you with?
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 11: That, thanks, Thanks.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: Sean, YEAH i definitely waiting. There, YEAH i don't. Know
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: our phone lines are all wonky right. NOW i think
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: it's that one, line line two that gets the call waiting.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: THING i don't know. Why, YEAH i definitely think that
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: that's possible with the tackles in terms of which side
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: they back. Up, obviously you walked up to train both
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: sides and hopefully be able to swing back and.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: Forth we're gonna even if he ends up being like
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: the second left tackle in the depth, CHART i think
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot of low right tackle
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: in the spring and.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: Summer, Yeah raredan's definitely a guy whose arrow is pointing
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: up like that's the hope you look at him in
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: a couple of different. Ways the, injuries, obviously his freshman
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: year is a senior year of high school freshman year at.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: College that's that was a developmental. Hurdle he also gets
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: To Notre, dame gets To South, bend And Michael mayer
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: is still At Notre dame his fresh, year then his
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: sophomore and junior. Seasons Mitchell, evans who was a fifth
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: round draft pick in THE, nfl was a pretty good
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: tight end for The. Irish he was, there so he
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: was kind of the guy at that point in, time
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: and then finally he's, healthy there's nobody in front of,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: him Like raridan is the guy this past, Season so
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: there was kind Of Notre dame's kind of a factory
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: at that. Position it's a sneaky tight end, factory so
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: there was guys at that position that were blocking. Him
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: there was also the, injury and then it probably took
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: him a year to get bounced back from the injury
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: once he was, healthy so he just was. Slower his
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: development was just, slower and he had a later. Breakout
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: but then once he broke, out he broke out pretty
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: at a pretty high. Level so you do hope that
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: the arrow is still pointing upward or that the, guy
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: at least the guy that he was last year At
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: Notre dame is the. Guy he's going to be at
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: THE nfl, level which IS i think a pretty close
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: to a starting caliber player if he if he doesn't
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: get much better than. That all, right let's go To
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: david In. Virginia what's Up? David? No, No. David justin's In.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Maine what's Up? Justin? Dope note of that one. Too
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: how About Jane? Atlanta third times a? Charm i'm here
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: if you, guys what's? Up? Jay all?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: Right, first, first and, FOREMOST i want to, say you
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: guys are absolutely Killing patriots. Coverage i'm gonna mess you.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: Guys you go, national not. Far and, Lastly drake was
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: killing last year in the passing. Game he, uh he's very,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: efficient but there wasn't a ton of volume as far
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: as passing the. Topscode so by, product a lot of
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: receivers didn't have a ton of. Opportunities so it looks
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: a little. Weird we look at the. Stats If drake
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: were to increase the, attempts do you think some of
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: the receivers look better instead of being so?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Touchdown, YEAH i guess it's a fair. QUESTION i, mean
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: he dropped back quite a few, times BUT i guess
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: if you add the, Running, yeah they were lower and pass,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: ATTEMPTS i WOULD I i don't. KNOW i feel like
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: this is sort of like A Kaishan Booty Kyle williams. Question, yeah,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: right if like you increase the volume of the overall passing,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: game where they'll where there will their volume? INCREASE i
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: look at a little bit. DIFFERENTLY i feel like you
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: also have to they need to expand what their, repertoires,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: Right like what's Kaish On booty's volume? Route you, like
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: what's the way that he gets to a higher volume
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: that's not just getting thrown deep balls down the? Sideline you,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: know is there different routes that he can add to
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: his rat tree or maybe he just has them and they're,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: untapped whether it's a slant to, dig an under crosser
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: like something else that is giving a higher, efficiency higher
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: completion rate type of. Throw And i'd say the same
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: thing About Kyle, Williams, like we Know Kyle williams can
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: get down the field and release and get off the
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage and stack corners and stuff like that
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: on the, Outside but does he have A i would
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: say THE iq BECAUSE i think that was an issue for.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: Him we get into the right. Spots but b does
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: he have the ability, to you, know run different routes
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: on the rout. TREE i thought he showed that a
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: little bit in. COLLEGE i thot he add more routes
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: into his game in. COLLEGE i think some of the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: learning curve there of the passing game might have hit.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Him maybe another year, helps, yeah build that out all?
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Right jeff is In. Missouri what's?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 12: Up?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: Jeff, hey, GUYS i GUESS i got a question on
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: what you think the compensation would be in the event
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: that we did end Upgrading Christian gonzales and number, two
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: the philosophic what's your thoughts on the philosophical approach of
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: using a corner as a foundational building? Block and the
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: REASON i asked, THIS i don't know that anybody can
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: make the case That Christian gonzalez has been that, impactful
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: gets hurt his rookie, year plays amazing his second, year
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: not really much a difference from the. Defense if you
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: go to The Super bowl, itself you can make the
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: argument That seattle's running back was more impactful Than Christian
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: gonzalez playing a perfect game at. CORNER i just don't
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: know that in the twenty twenty six twenty twenty, SEVEN.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: NFL a cornerback should be a foundational building. Block i'd
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: like to get your thoughts from that and what they
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: think what could they get from compensation in a trade
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: given what the Sauce gardner.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: Brought, yeah thanks for the. CALL i couldn't disagree more.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: THAT i don't mean to like be an a hole about.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: IT i JUST i think the biggest thing about you, know,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: CORNERS i mean we saw it in The Super, bowl
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: Like gonzales Tookon jason out of the. Game is It
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: gonzalez's fault that they couldn't Tackle Kenneth walker and that
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: they couldn't set the edge and, yeah that the run,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: game you, know got. LOOSE i don't know how that
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: Makes gonzales invaluable or is that the right, word not?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: Valuable, YEAH i mean it's about having a complete. Team
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: AND i think corner especially is a position where you
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: don't see you see his you would see his impact
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: more in his.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Absence, Yeah like maybe you don't Think gonzalez is as
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: good of a, player but you'd, like we don't Think
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Patrick sartana is valuable to The broncos Or Derek stingley
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: is valuable to The texans or you, know go right
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: down the. Line you know the ability and you know
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: this goes back to, uh you, know REALLY i think
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: this is true in any decade of, football era of,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: football but, uh the ability to do one or the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: other as a, cornerback whether it's take your side of
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: the field away or take an assignment you, know and
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: travel with the receiver more Like gonzalez's. Style the ability
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: to do that is extremely valuable because if all you
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: need to do is put one guy on the star,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: receiver like let's take for. Example you know there's multiple
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: times that he's done, this but, uh if you don't
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: want to use The Super, bowl remember week one of
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four when he Guarded Jamar, chase.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah By Tyreek hill the next, week, yeah and so
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: that that was twenty, three twenty, three twenty.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Four he just Takes Jamar chase pretty much out of the, game.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Right and so now, theoretically if you have one guy
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: that can do that on his, own, well now the
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: other ten guys are kind of freed up to do
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: some more of the things that you want to. Do
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: from a, scheme game plan, perspective you, know you can't
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: play they played something crazy like over fifty percent of
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: their snaps and man coverage down in the playoff. Runt,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: right you can't play that level of man coverage against
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: some of the best offenses in the league if you
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: don't have a player Like gonzalez who can shut down
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: a number one, receiver like a true number one, receiver
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: because you can't live up with your corners on islands
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: if you don't have that kind of talent on the.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: Outside so the whole basis of their playoff, RUN i would,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: say was based off the fact that they Had, Gonzalez
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: AND i would also give you, know credit To Carlon
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: davis And Marcus jones, too like their ability to play
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: man demand without much, help allowed them to, blitz allowed
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: them to be more aggressive in their front, mechanics allowed
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: them to do the things that they did that got
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: them to the Super. Bowl SO i don't necessarily think
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: That gonzalez's value is just what he. Does it's also
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: the trickle down effect of how this works on everybody.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: Else i'm surprised to get a call like, that to be, Honest,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: yeah because we've seen this so often around, here whether
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: it Was Ty law or the year With Darell reeves
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: Or Stefan gilmour in his, prime if you want to
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: go more, recent you, know like those guys are are
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: extremely valuable for what they. Do SO i, YEAH i
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: don't mean.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: TO i think some people just see you, know the
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: new the. REPORTS i should say that they might trade
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: a first round pick FOR A. J. Brown i'm trying
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to get a first round pick
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: back or whatever's going on with the contract or. Whatever,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: no it's incredibly valuable AND i.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: Actually think and not that he's terrible at. It The sauce,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: trade to, me always stem from the fact That Aaron
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: glenn really wants to be a man to man.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: Defense, yeah and they had.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: A corner and not That sauce can't play man because he,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: can't but he Had they had a corner that was
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: more built and drafted to play In Robert sala's, defense
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: which was birth from The seattle three and has kind
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: of become like more quarters. Heavy but it's his own, defense.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: Right this the base and the foundation of what they,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: do and that tree is zone. Defense so they Drafted
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: sauce to play in that kind of. Defense and Then
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: Aaron glenn comes and he really wants his corners to
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: be man to, man corners in shadow and do all
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: that kind of, stuff and they just didn't really feel
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: Like Sauce. GARDNER i don't think they felt like he
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: was a great fit For Aaron. Glenn now you could
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: make the argument that you probably shouldn't have done, that
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: but you could also, say you, know to go back
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: to one of the things we were talking about, earlier
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Like Aaron glenn's the type of guy that he wants
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: his corners to be, aggressive he wants his corners to play,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: man he wants his corners to, tackle LIKE i did
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: not just that none of those things Describe Sauce, Gardner
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: like that's not him at. All SO i just think
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: that that's what led them down that path versus paying.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: Him was, like is this really a great Fit, GONZALEZ
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: i don't really see that being the. Case SO i don't.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: KNOW i, mean when you talk about what's valuable in the, league,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: now just to kind of put peel back that those
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: layers for a, second you always start with the passing.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Game so guys that throw the, ball guys that catch the,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: ball guys that protect the. Quarterback, yeah, right and then
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: on the other. Side it's guys that if you are
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: trying to build it around guys that can throw the
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: ball and catch the, ball then you need somebody that
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: can disrupt the guy that throws the, ball and somebody
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: that disrupts the guy that passes the ball or catches the.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: Ball so who are those that's, quarterback wide, receiver, tackle pass, rusher.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: Corner and now we can make arguments that interior pass
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: rush is more important than next tior, whatever but just
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: guys that get after the. Quarterback so that's a premium. Position,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: yeah that that's a premium. Position let's go To herman D.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: C what's up Herm?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: Evan what's going on with my?
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: Boy how doing?
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: Good?
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 12: Evan you my? God you know What i'm. Saying BUT
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 12: i gotta give you a hard time real, quick BECAUSE
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 12: i want to go back for a second AND i
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 12: have a question for. You Uh, so remember we had
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 12: the conversation about this whole number one receiver, thing and
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 12: we talked about The Super, bowl.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 10: AND i think it Was fred who basically was saying
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 10: That gonzo took just send out of the, game and
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 10: your response, was quote did he?
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 12: Question?
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: Mark?
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 12: Right but NOW i guess you must have come around
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 12: because the previous, call who said this the other thing About, GONZO.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't make that. Comment, no, no What i'm, saying
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: what comments the did he go? One that's that's Snarky
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: paul written all over.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: It, NO i was.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: YOU i would not have said, that. Dude now that
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: that's got Snarky paul written all OVER i remember the.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: Conversation he was saying, that Like Sam darnold TOOK jsn
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: out of the game because the throws were not great
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: throws TO jsn and if they had been good throws
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: and he was. OPEN i remember we talked about. It
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: we talked about, it the broken play where he got
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: you remember the broken player in The Super bowl that
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: Jays n was wide open on the second reaction, Play,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: DONALD i had mailed. It, yeah that Was BUT i
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: guess that's a good.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 12: Well you, know BUT i, MEAN i guess the WAY
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 12: i remember, it you must have come around because you
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 12: just admitted That donalson took this another. Game you know
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 12: What i'm. Saying but, again that's HOW i remember. It
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 12: BUT i guess my question is this all? Right an
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 12: excuse my, Ignorance but this whole conversation About Will campbell to,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 12: me is this honestly stupid to be with? You BECAUSE
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 12: i think she's be given an opportunity to show that
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 12: he can play left. Tackle BUT i guess my question,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 12: is and, again excuse my, ignorance but how hard is
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 12: it to flip someone from the left to the right
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 12: and vice versa and not take it up?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 8: There?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Listen thank, you, thanks Thanks, Sirm thanks for the. CALL
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: i appreciate. IT i love those when. Listen it happens
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: all the. Time we say a lot of, things we
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: talk a, lot and, uh you know that doesn't that
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: just you, Know, paul that sounds like a.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: Sad that clip doesn't end up On? Twitter.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: Though if he's, right then go back and pull the.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Clip but that doesn't sound like. Me though you Know
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: i'm a gonzo. GUY i would NOT i wouldn't give him, that,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: uh that kind of. Grief the second one was flipping.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: Sides we talked about that a little bit. Earlier. UH
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: i think it's harder than some do, personally just Because
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: i've seen a lot of guys try it and. FAIL
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: i think you know you're not only the big thing
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: that you have to remember is that everything gets. Flipped
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: both your feet and.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Your hands or flipping your dominant. Side people have compared
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: it to me to learning right with your off hand,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: right and people can do. That there are people that
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: can write perfectly fine with both. Hands, yeah but you
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: have to learn how to do, it and learning how
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: to do that on the fly is obviously not. Easy
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: so it's, yeah that's the COMP i always. Here it's
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: learning how to write with your off. Hand.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah and so you're, flipping you, know when you think about,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: it your inside hand is now outside, right and then
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: your inside foot is now. Outside so like that inside
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: foot is a really important foot because that's the foot
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: you're driving off of when you go to pass, set,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: right when you come out of your stance and you
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: go into your, set whether you're, vertical setting forty, five,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: whatever when you go out of, it that's the foot
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: that you're using to push off and explode out. Of
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: so now that foot is, backwards so that foot's on
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: the other side, Now so now you have to train
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: that other foot not only from a muscle memory, standpoint
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: but also just from an explosiveness stand, yeah to be
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: able to explode out of. There you, know some of
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: the guys really struggle with. It, now are they as
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: talented As Caleb blomu Or Will?
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Campbell probably, Not and more, important not more, importantly be like.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: Athletic like athleticism lends itself this if you have like a, big,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: lumbering powerful, tackle those guys are gonna have a much
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: harder job doing. This that's what Makes Trent brown so
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: unbelievable is the fact that he can do this at his,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Size like it's. Unreal it's really not supposed to. Happen
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: like a, big, powerful lumbering tackle is gonna have a
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: lot more trouble with this than a guy whose game
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: is more built on athleticism because they're just naturally more.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: Nimble, now to uh be optimistic about, This, yeah and these,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: GUYS i will preface this by, saying these guys are
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: all really really elite players at the. Position so it's
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: a little high of a. Bar But Joe all was
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: drafted by The. Chargers slater already IN. La he played
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: left in college At Notre. Dame he's playing right for
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: The chargers right now at right tackle Was slater went
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: healthy on the left And Joe alt is one of
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: the probably ten best tackles in. Football the other guy
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: that has flipped back and forth Is Tristan. Wurf's you,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: Know Tristan wurfs was drafted by The. BUCKS i think
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: it Was Donovan smith who was still, there the veteran.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Tackle he was playing left, tackle And Tristan wharf's was
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: drafted in the first. Round they played him at. Right
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: then When Donovan smith, retired they moved them back to,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: left where he was in. College so those two guys
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: have gone back and. Forth The, lions he hasn't done it,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: yet BUT i don't think he's going to have a.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: Problem The lions are talking about Flipping penny Sewol Penny
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: sewell to the left side because when he was, Drafted
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: Taylor decker was still, there so he was playing on the,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: Left Penny sewell was playing on the. Right Penny, SEWELL i,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: think might have played right in college. Also but when
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: you have that kind of, ability and, granted those are
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: three of the best tackles in, football SO i understand
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: them setting a really really high. Bar but when you
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: have that kind of, ability you can do. It and
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: those guys that flip back and, forth no, problem not
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: to pick on, them but when you have the ability
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: Of Vederian, lowe flipping back and forth ain't so. Easy
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: Vadarian lowe was a serviceable left. Tackle he was not
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: a serviceable right tackle right so he couldn't do. It
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: he couldn't. Flip so you like to think as the
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: first round. Pick, Now joel was a top ten, Pick
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: Penny stool was a top ten. Pick wharfs was it
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: in the? TEENS i want to, say like, eleven, twelve,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: thirteen something like. That in that draft they're a little
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: bit more highly touted than a guy Like Caleb. Loomo
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: but in, theory it's a similar range of the. Draft
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: for not talking about a guy that was drafted in
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: the first round versus a guy that was. DRAFTED i
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: Think Vaderian lowe is a was a late day three. Pick,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: yeah so in there's that positivity. There when you're that,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: talented when you're that, athletic most of the time you
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: can play either side and have no big. Problem the
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: other thing THAT i, mentioned and THEN i want to
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: give a thought On gronk before we wrap up the.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: Show the other THING i mentioned yesterday because this Is
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: paul is proud of me for this. ONE i picked
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: On paul Earlier paul was proud of me BECAUSE I
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: i won't lay down my sword On Will, campbell. RIGHT
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: i think a lot of people are ready to give
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: up On Will campbell because of how the year ended last.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: YEAR i won't do. It but the one thing THAT
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: i did, say because we're having the conversation of Is
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: lomu gonna Move campbell? Right? Like Is lomu gonna move
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: them either to the right side or inside the? Guard
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: and the only thing THAT i would say is that
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: there is a chance That campbell is just more capable
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: of flipping Than lomu is. Right it's not necessarily That
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: campbell is bad or worse Than, lomu but Maybe campbell
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: at right tackle is a better proposition Than lou at right.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: TACKLE i hear some people THAT i agree with the
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: line of thinking a little bit that on the right
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: side you typically want to have your glass eaters on
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: the right and your past protectors on the. Left So
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: campbell is a little bit more naturally that, nasty you,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: know finishing type of run. Blocker so maybe having him
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: on the right side is just a better you, know
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: when you go by that rule of, thumb that doesn't
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: mean that he's not a tackle though, right like the
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: right is still a. Tackle but if they're gonna Move
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: campbell off of left, tackle the only WAY i see
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: that happening is that If lomu is a starting caliber, Player,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: yeah and they want to Get lomu on the, field
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: But lomu's only comfortable playing on the left, Right i'm
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: not going any further than.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: That i'm not, Either and then you're still set after this.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: DRAFT i feel like they can be set at tackle
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: for three to five. Years, yeah you're still set a
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: tackle for three to five years if that's what. Happens
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: so so.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: Now we just have to figure out what the best
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: five is and what they.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: Seem insistence That campbells still to be the left.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Haack as they should, be Because i've seen some crazy
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: our Buddy Mike, cadley some crazy uh combinations.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: Out, There tucker out to.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: Tackle it's Like lomu And campbell at guard and Vera
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: tucker at tackle and a when who's here and when
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: it's not? Here like one of the biggest things That
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: Dante scarnekia always used to say and is really. Steadfasting
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: you don't want to play musical chairs up, Front, no.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be. Five you don't want to
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: be moving everybody.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: Around So lo MoU needs to go in. Someplace if
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: it's right, tackle that's the easiest thing to. Do if
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: he can only play, left but he plays it at
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: a high. Level and you want to Flip, campbell, fine
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: but we're not rearranging the entire. Deck like that's not
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: that's not the way to do.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: This And i'll emphasize it. Again campbell was sallowed last
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: year until he got, hurt and, yeah he struggled significantly
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: after he got. Hurt you got to give another chance
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: because if he can be the guy he was from
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: most the last, year plus you tack on like a
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: second in your, development that's a starting caliber left. Tackle,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: yeah you don't just blow through that in a year
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: because you want to get wins on. TOO i think
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of The Will campbell hate comes down and
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: people just want to get wins On.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: Twitter, yeah so you know there was a little bit
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: of that going. ON i would just, say, like If
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: campbell ends up flipping to right, tackle people are going
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: to take victory laps and, say, see, well right tackle
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: is still tackle first of, all, right and second of,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: all like, nowadays a lot of guys that are the
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: best pass rushers in the league are lining up on
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: the right side and to the left, like you're still.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: Fine they drafted tackles in back to back, years and
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: then if they get two starting tackles after drafting tackles
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: and back to back, years, good, Awesome, great you're in great.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Shape.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: YEAH i think THAT'S i don't know why there is
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: worth quibbling over.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: That, okay five more. Minutes we have four minutes to
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: talk About Rob gronkowski, Here, patriots first Ballot hall Of.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: Famer my, boss he's gonna be a little bit. DISAPPOINTED
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: i think that we didn't go in order, again and
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: we we Jumped vinitari in the in the order here
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: again in terms of you, know when they retired and
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: all that. Stuff but easily a first Ballot hall Of
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: famer in my, mind first ballot talent that come through
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: here with The. Patriots, uh he's the first Ballot hall
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: Of famer In canton. TWO i, think, so oh, yeah
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: this is the greatest tight end of all. TIME i
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: don't really need to say much more about how good he.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: Is all of you guys watched him play the most
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: physically dominant PLAYER i might have ever, Seen like he's
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: on the short. LIST i would, say you, know, offensively
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: the most dominant football players on. Offense you, KNOW i
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: not to get into all the defensive. Guys, Megatron Randy,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: Moss Rob. GRONKOWSKI i think those are the three. MOST
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: i think there's one more person that. Conversation, Okay Derrick, Henry, yeah,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: okay that's. Fair you JUST i hate running. BACKS i
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: know you.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: Do BUT i always, say, like, yeah, Sure Rob gronkowski
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: And Derrick, henry and that can be The Mount. RUSHMORE
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: i think that is The Mount. Rushmore Rob gronkowski And
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: Derek henry's.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: Partly by the, way not going back To.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: Rob gronkowski And Derek henry are two sides of the same,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: coin And gronk the positional value. Thing maybe people don't see.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: This sometimes you're just simply not supposed to be that,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: big that, fast that, nimbled that. Skilled, yeah nobody is
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: that entire package like you see these. Guys everyone saw
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: who was the tight end we really liked a few
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: years ago that The jets took that had the insane.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: Combine it was like getting comped To. Megatron but he
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: just like couldn't. Play do you remember that he was
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: like A d TWO d three tight. End there's even
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: somebody this year Like Jeff caldwell had. It this, year
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: we had like The megatron. Combine doesn't have the, skill
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't maybe have the nimbleness anything like. That who was
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: this tight end a couple of years? Ago Zach. Koontz, oh,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah jesus is all going way back is not in
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: the league. Anymore, no it's just physically you're not supposed
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: to be all around, good and that's What gronk. Was
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: and then you add to it the will he didn't,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: Have like a lot of superstars wouldn't block the way he. Did,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: yeah because they wouldn't need to deal with. It that last,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: YEAR i, think even though he wasn't his last year
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: and he wasn't really himself anymore because he's dealing with
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: the back, INJURY i think says a ton about the
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: player he was because he wasn't the same, receiver but
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: he was still going out there every week and blocking
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: his ass. Off and then he makes that one big,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: catch you, know in The Super, bowl and he had
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: a couple of big ones In Kansas city as. Well just,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: yeah one of One unicorn, player the greatest tight end
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: in the history of the, sport one of the greatest
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: personalities in the history of the. Sport there will never
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: there was no player like him. Before they will not
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: be another player like him.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: After absolutely last. Thing i'll, say because he summed it up,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: NICELY i think it's really, cool, uh That edelman And
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: gronk are going in and back to back.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: Years to run that. Out, Brady, Edelman.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: Gronk, Yeah brady was going in no matter WHAT i.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: Know but that those three going in a.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: Row, yeah it just it's a nice little run, here
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: especially for you, know our era and you know people
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: that grew up like us with Like patriots fans right
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: in this. Timeframe it's pretty cool to see big hitter
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: after big hitter for those twenty Tens patriots. Teams So
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: gronk is gonna do a press conference live On patriots Dot,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: com A zoom. Conference he's not, here but A zoom
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: conference at TWO. Pm so in a couple of, minutes
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: we're going to stream that live on our. Platform so
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: you can go ahead and check that out now that
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: we're wrapping up this, show because you wouldn't watch that
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: Over catch twenty two of, course but you can go
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: watch that now in about sixty seconds, here and then
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: next week we'll be back On catch twoint. Two we'll
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: talk about some of these, udfas reset the roster a little,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: bit get ready for Rookie mini caamp schedule release not
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: too far down the line. Either we just keep it
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: rolling in THIS nfl off. Season it never, Ends so
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: we'll see you guys next. Week thanks for. Watching, hey
• 1:58:59
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