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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 220 | Liam Coen at NFL Owners' Meetings, 2027 Jaguars Home Venue Vote · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome into Jags am Brian Sexson along
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Speaker 1: with John Osier here on a Tuesday morning, and we're
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Speaker 1: changing things up a little bit, not just a different
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Speaker 1: host today, but we're starting with the head coach of
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars, Liam Cohen, who joined us from the NFL's
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Speaker 1: owners meetings in Phoenix, Arizona. The owners meetings began on
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Speaker 1: Sunday evening. There's lots to talk about, and of course
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Speaker 1: we'll get to those things, but first we bring in
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Speaker 1: the head coach. Coach, how are you.
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Speaker 2: Great, Brian, appreciate it man, Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for making time for us this morning. Hey,
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Speaker 1: just generally, how's the pace of your second off season
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Speaker 1: or actually your first off season, your second spring with
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars. How different is it for you this year
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Speaker 1: than it was last year when you put your feet
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Speaker 1: on the ground.
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Speaker 2: Lot different.
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Speaker 3: I'll say this is probably the first off season Ashley
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Speaker 3: and I and the family has had and roughly five
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Speaker 3: to six years, so to have a little bit of
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Speaker 3: a schedule or routine, some stability that involves pouring into football,
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Speaker 3: one at the office and with the coaching staff, but
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Speaker 3: also having an opportunity to be a husband and be
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Speaker 3: a father and be able to spend some time with
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Speaker 3: the family at nights. Is definitely nice to have to
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Speaker 3: have some consistency throughout an off season without moving and
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Speaker 3: restarting and picking up and being apart from your family.
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Speaker 2: It's been great to have so far.
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Speaker 4: Coach, we talked a little bit earlier this off season
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Speaker 4: about the whole idea of coming back. But you would
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Speaker 4: think that you had a longer off season because you're here,
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Speaker 4: But you don't really look at it that way. You
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Speaker 4: look at it more like, hey, we're losing a week
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Speaker 4: or two because of the rules that you can't get
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Speaker 4: with these guys because you're not a new coach anymore.
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Speaker 4: Talk about your pace of the off season, what you're
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Speaker 4: trying to get done.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely, you know, you feel a little bit
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Speaker 3: of a sense of urgency.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's no question in my mind.
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Speaker 3: That's been the challenge to the coaching staff, to our
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Speaker 3: our department staffs at the building, the message has been,
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Speaker 3: and when the players getting in here, the message will be,
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Speaker 3: how do we improve how do we get better with
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Speaker 3: less time together flat out, less time together as a staff,
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Speaker 3: less time together once the players get in here, and
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Speaker 3: and and so our time on task, our intentionality has
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Speaker 3: to be better than ever. And that's the challenge that
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Speaker 3: I have for everybody and myself included. So that's something
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Speaker 3: that you work through and in the way that you
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Speaker 3: schedule out your off season program and plan and uh,
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Speaker 3: the amount of repetition, the amount of time on each drill,
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Speaker 3: and where you're allocating your time and and so those
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Speaker 3: are all the things that we've been looking at and
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Speaker 3: certainly excited to get these players back in the building
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Speaker 3: here soon so we can really start football.
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Speaker 1: You know, momentum never carries over from one season to
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Speaker 1: the next. Though most observers fans also kind of think, well,
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Speaker 1: we were thirteen and four. How do you change that
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Speaker 1: mindset or do you have to do these guys understand
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Speaker 1: that the boulder's back at the bottom of the mountain.
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Speaker 1: Time to push again.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing that we're defending. We're attacking everything that
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Speaker 3: we're doing. That's the mindset of mentality. We could, you know, theoretically,
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Speaker 3: we could get better as a football team and not
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Speaker 3: win thirteen games like That's something that we have to
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Speaker 3: be prepared for. We have to understand because if we
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Speaker 3: live in those results of last year, this ain't going
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Speaker 3: to be a fun process and we won't like what
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Speaker 3: we see.
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Speaker 2: I gotta believe that.
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Speaker 3: So everything that we attack from this offseason moving forward,
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Speaker 3: as we go into this new regular season here, it's
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Speaker 3: all brand new. I mean, yes, there's going to be
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Speaker 3: some ability to start at ground one or in different
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Speaker 3: levels of your offense, defense and special teams, your systems.
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Speaker 3: But there's going to be new players, there's new coaches,
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Speaker 3: there's new relationships and communication ways that we need to operate.
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Speaker 3: And so if we attack it the same way as
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Speaker 3: last year and we just said, well we already made
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Speaker 3: that relationship, we already had that connection, well that's going
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Speaker 3: to be a different connection on this team, because every
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Speaker 3: team is different.
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Speaker 4: Coach, I know you spoke with our guy Ryan o'
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Speaker 4: holland at the Times Union yesterday. I think my favorite
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Speaker 4: thing that I heard from that was you talking about
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Speaker 4: not letting the stink of winning overwhelm the stink of
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Speaker 4: something else. I love the way you put that clearly that's.
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Speaker 5: Important to you this offseason.
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Speaker 4: It sort of ties into the last question, anything specific
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Speaker 4: that you're addressing along those lines, and that's you're focus
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Speaker 4: along those lines.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I said that winning is a fantastic deodorant.
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Speaker 3: It covers up what stinks about you. It covers up
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Speaker 3: what your blind spots are, what your negatives, what your
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Speaker 3: areas of improvement are.
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Speaker 2: And if we can attack.
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Speaker 3: Those areas with humility, with honesty, with a relentless pursuit
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Speaker 3: to improve those areas, then we'll still continue to work
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Speaker 3: on the areas in which we were good, and we
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Speaker 3: need to hone in on those things. But look, we're
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Speaker 3: always looking for better balance on offense, right.
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Speaker 2: I think the run.
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Speaker 3: Game for the first eight weeks of the season really
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Speaker 3: kind of carried us offensively and allowed us to win
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Speaker 3: some of those games. And then the past game the
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Speaker 3: second half of the season really allowed us to go offensively,
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Speaker 3: and so we have to create a little bit more
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Speaker 3: balance there defensively, just continuing to find that balance between
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Speaker 3: Russian coverage and being a play a little bit. A
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Speaker 3: couple of different coverages in the back end, couple couple
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Speaker 3: of different front structures or pressures that you're looking at
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Speaker 3: and looking at, you know, adding in player acquisition throughout
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Speaker 3: the draft and free agency and drades, you're you're looking
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Speaker 3: at all those things during this time, so and then
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Speaker 3: special teams wise, we're constantly getting new rule proposals throughout
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Speaker 3: from the league, and so how does that affect your
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Speaker 3: formations and your schemes and your fundamentals that you're coaching.
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Speaker 2: So it's a lot.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's never like we're just walking through a
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Speaker 3: day kind of just going through.
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Speaker 2: The motions hoping to go home.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's not the atmosphere we want to be
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Speaker 3: in and that's not how we're operating.
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Speaker 4: We haven't talked to you since you signed Chris Rodriguez.
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Speaker 4: How does he help specifically in the running game? A
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Speaker 4: different style than Travis etn was, but I know you
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Speaker 4: like what he can bring in terms of down and distant,
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Speaker 4: situational consistency, things along those lines.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like losing a player like TJ a
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Speaker 3: first round pick, the ability in the run of the
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Speaker 3: past and some of the production, like that's going to
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Speaker 3: be hard to match for anybody, right. But what I
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Speaker 3: always really appreciated about se rod you know, when working
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Speaker 3: with him in Kentucky and then following his career over
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Speaker 3: the last few years, has been is, you know, rushing
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Speaker 3: yards over expected and these yards after contact.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think those are the two areas that
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Speaker 2: you look.
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Speaker 3: At where you say, like did you get more or
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Speaker 3: about what the play was blocked for? And are people
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Speaker 3: bouncing off for you? Do you know how to make
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Speaker 3: people miss? Like, how do you make people miss? There's
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Speaker 3: a lot of different ways to do that, And how
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Speaker 3: do you gain the yards? There's a lot of different
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Speaker 3: ways to skin that cat. And ultimately for me and
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Speaker 3: for the type of style of team we want to
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Speaker 3: be to be able to punch you in the mouth
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Speaker 3: and get those some of those hard yards. Getting a
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Speaker 3: guy like Chris to complement that room as it stands
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Speaker 3: right now with two in Lequin and DJ and you
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Speaker 3: know those guys. So we're just trying to continue to
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Speaker 3: add good football players in there.
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Speaker 1: How about one final thought, coach, The draft is twenty
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Speaker 1: three days away, a little more than three weeks. You
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Speaker 1: have eleven picks, four on Night two of the draft,
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Speaker 1: which is first night for the Jags without a first
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Speaker 1: round pick. Plus you have that keeping your attention. You
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Speaker 1: get some guys back this year from the draft class
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Speaker 1: last year who really weren't able to contribute because of injuries.
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Speaker 1: Caleb brand Saw stands out the second half of the season,
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Speaker 1: you didn't have Travis Hunter. Just a thought on getting
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Speaker 1: some of those guys back on the field in year
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Speaker 1: two for them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're excited about some of the second year players
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Speaker 3: that you know, whether they were able to contribute last
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Speaker 3: year or not, but specifically the Caleb rand Saws right,
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Speaker 3: Jaylen McLeod didn't didn't wasn't able to play much. Getting
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Speaker 3: Jack Kaiser a year better, right, Getting Travis Hunter another
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Speaker 3: year doing different things, and how we you know, fine
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Speaker 3: tune his role and schedule and and the way that
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Speaker 3: we look at those things. On offense, Wyatt Milham, you know,
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Speaker 3: Joonah Manheim, A lot of young players that are we're
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Speaker 3: continuing to see hopeful ascension from that can come and
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Speaker 3: either be contributors or competitors for playing time.
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Speaker 1: Three weeks for your players back three weeks to the draft.
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Speaker 1: A lot coming up. Coach. We really appreciate you making
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Speaker 1: some time on a busy Tuesday morning in Arizona.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys, thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 1: Have a great day. That's the head coach Jaguars coming
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Speaker 1: off at thirteen and four season and as he famously
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Speaker 1: has said, trying to wipe off the stink of wins
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Speaker 1: and making sure his team is ready to go out
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Speaker 1: and play their best football in the fall of twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. When we come back a little normalcy for you.
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Speaker 1: We have big things next on jags Am. Welcome back
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Speaker 1: to jags Am. Brian Sexton in today for Kay Stevens.
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Speaker 1: Great to start the show. We've head coach Liam Cohen,
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Speaker 1: so now we get the big things. Big thing one
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Speaker 1: is Arizona, which is where Liam Cohen joined us from.
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Speaker 1: There are not huge stories that are breaking this week
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Speaker 1: from Arizona, but there are some of concern John A
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Speaker 1: couple that stand out. Obviously. The story now is that
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Speaker 1: the NFL is moving to hire replacement officials. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure how many fans have been following this or how closely,
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Speaker 1: but the end of the CBA between the players of Apartment,
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Speaker 1: the NFL and the NFL Referees Association is at the
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Speaker 1: end of May, and unlike too twenty twelve the last
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Speaker 1: time this happened, they're not waiting until July to hire
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Speaker 1: replacement officials. They're moving on those right now.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Look, most of the things that go on and these
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Speaker 4: negotiations are very behind the scenes because that's how they
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Speaker 4: want it. But this week, before the owners meetings got started,
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Speaker 4: there have been reports that the negotiations for the new
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Speaker 4: CBA aren't going well. It was disastrous in the first
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Speaker 4: month of twenty twelve, which is the last time they
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Speaker 4: had replacement reps, and the league believes that's because they
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Speaker 4: didn't hire them in time. They're trying to be more
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Speaker 4: proactive on it and get them in place sooner. There's
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Speaker 4: also a clause to have replay involved, which we'll get to.
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Speaker 4: Look the reports that were out this week don't sound
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Speaker 4: very encouraging on a deal getting done because they seem.
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Speaker 5: Far apart on a lot of things.
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Speaker 4: One of the things is that the lead league wants
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Speaker 4: them available more during their downtime in the off season
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Speaker 4: to train. There's talk about full time officials in this. Brian,
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Speaker 4: you probably know where I'm going with this. I'm not
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Speaker 4: a big full time official guy. I don't believe that
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Speaker 4: officials miss calls because they don't know the rules. I
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Speaker 4: don't know how else having them full time is going
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Speaker 4: to benefit anything.
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Speaker 5: Because I think the officials are already really good.
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Speaker 4: I don't know how they get better from me in
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Speaker 4: full time I'm sort of tangenting. It's an emotional topic
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Speaker 4: for me. Brian, Well, but yeah, it's a thing. It
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Speaker 4: was not good in twenty twelve, and the NFL is
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Speaker 4: trying to get ahead of it to make what was
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Speaker 4: a bad situation a little better.
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Speaker 1: So one of the questions that naturally rises in this
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Speaker 1: debate is would you rather have a perfectly officiated game
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Speaker 1: using some automation right, some AI, if you will. Soccer
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Speaker 1: uses a bit of it, Baseball has a touch of
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Speaker 1: it with their automated balls and strikes, or would you
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Speaker 1: rather have a game with the human element involved in it? See,
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Speaker 1: and this is where we're going with this. You touch
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Speaker 1: on replay expansion. They're talking about allowing league staff in
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Speaker 1: support of the replacement officials, So there's an element of foreshadowing.
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Speaker 1: They're telling you where they think they're headed. Allowing league
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Speaker 1: staffers in New York to be able to offer guidance
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Speaker 1: on penalties that may have appeared flagrant fouls or things
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Speaker 1: that might not be a penalty, so that they don't
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Speaker 1: negatively impact the game.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I expect that they will go that route. If
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Speaker 4: there's replacement officials, I expect that it will sound very
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Speaker 4: good leading up to it, and I don't know how
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Speaker 4: it looks in real time, meaning are you know, I
12:42
Speaker 4: hope Holdings not involved, because you're going to get pushing
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Speaker 4: buttons and back and forth on every play. If that's
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Speaker 4: the case, are you doing past interference? Because pass interference
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Speaker 4: can be disastrous if you start opening a can of worms.
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Speaker 4: So meaning everybody thinks the other guy was interfering on
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Speaker 4: a play. So I think that sounds really good. I
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Speaker 4: don't know how it looks in fact, and I think
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Speaker 4: that could look as clunky as what was on the
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Speaker 4: field in twenty twelve could look. Because anytime you bring
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Speaker 4: officiating change into a group that already does a really
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Speaker 4: good job, you're gonna notice it. If you bring less
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Speaker 4: experienced guys in the NFL officials. I know it's not
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Speaker 4: vogue to say when everybody wants to criticize him on Twitter,
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Speaker 4: but they do a good job, and I'm not sure
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Speaker 4: the system needs to be reset.
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Speaker 1: The deadline is May thirty first, and we'll see if
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Speaker 1: they can get a deal done. Big thing too is Orlando.
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Speaker 1: A story broke on Sunday in the Orlando Business Journal.
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Speaker 1: They quoted Steve Hogan, the president and CEO of the
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Speaker 1: Florida's Citrus Sports Commission, and he's wrote that he hopes
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Speaker 1: that the vote is next week, meeting today and they
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Speaker 1: get a minimum of seven games here. He says, that's
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Speaker 1: the plan, but we need to get that vote. The
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Speaker 1: vote should come this afternoon. We plan to have a
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Speaker 1: celebration downtown in front of city Hall and hope that
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Speaker 1: somebody walks out of that room in Phoenix and goes, yes,
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Speaker 1: we're doing this here. So that all leads up to
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Speaker 1: the fact that today we expect a vote on where
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars will play in twenty twenty seven. John, It's
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Speaker 1: been something we talked about for weeks and months, but
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Speaker 1: they've got to get a vote here quickly because there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of work to do for the team, whether
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Speaker 1: they're going to games but or Orlando, there are a
14:27
Speaker 1: lot of moving pieces that have to be put in
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Speaker 1: place to be ready for that, even though it's a
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Speaker 1: year and a half away.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the outside tee Lea's and reports, I'll say, Orlando,
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Speaker 4: I guess that's the favorite. We haven't discussed it a
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Speaker 4: whole lot here on this show because there hasn't been
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Speaker 4: a whole lot to discuss until you actually get news.
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Speaker 4: But logistically, yeah, we're, what now, fourteen to fifteen months
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Speaker 4: out from wherever they're going to play, and it's a
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Speaker 4: mammoth lift to put on an NFL game, So it
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Speaker 4: is it going to be Orlando? You know, perhaps that's
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Speaker 4: fine and if so.
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Speaker 5: Look forward to it.
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Speaker 4: But from a behind the scenes perspective, this is a
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Speaker 4: lift when you're moving home base two and a half
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Speaker 4: hours away to a different world, which is camping world.
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Speaker 5: So did they ran?
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, aboudy, But when.
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Speaker 4: You're moving everything, the sixteen months seems like a long time,
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Speaker 4: but it'll go by fast.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of anticipation obviously in Orlando to see
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Speaker 1: whether or not the vote goes their way. Again that
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Speaker 1: story in Sunday's Orlando Business Journal. And we move to
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Speaker 1: our final big thing, and that's twenty three days. That's
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Speaker 1: the number of days between now and the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1: The Draguars will not participate, at least at this moment,
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Speaker 1: on the first night of the draft, which is Thursday,
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Speaker 1: April twenty third, but they have four picks fifty six,
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Speaker 1: eighty one, eighty eight, and one hundred in rounds two
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Speaker 1: and three. John. We talked about it a little bit
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Speaker 1: with coach Cohen in the top of the show. They've
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Speaker 1: got a lot of things they can do in terms
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Speaker 1: of roster construction, but for the first time in franchise history,
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Speaker 1: doesn't appear they're going to do it in the first
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Speaker 1: thirty two picks.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's not only no they have a first
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Speaker 4: round pick, but then they played so well this last season.
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Speaker 5: The good news is that was fun.
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Speaker 4: The quote unquote bad news is that it's hard to
16:18
Speaker 4: even get close to the first round. With that, I'm
16:20
Speaker 4: being facetious. That's not bad news at all. You want
16:22
Speaker 4: to be picking as low in rounds.
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Speaker 5: As you can.
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Speaker 4: But I think the key here, Brian is if you
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Speaker 4: believe that you draft for needs, which I'm not big
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Speaker 4: on that, but if you want this team to fill
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Speaker 4: some holes. Outside linebacker feels like a place where they
16:39
Speaker 4: could draft. It's really good right around the area they're
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Speaker 4: picking a fifty six. Are they going safety? Are they
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Speaker 4: going some of these other positions. Running Back is also
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Speaker 4: a position you can get productivity later in the draft.
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Speaker 4: People are focusing on the fact they do in a
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Speaker 4: first round pick, but as you alluded to, when you
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Speaker 4: were talking to Liam. Having four in the top one
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Speaker 4: hundred gives you a lot of equity in what many
17:08
Speaker 4: consider the sweet spot of the draft, which is the
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Speaker 4: second round. And I think James Gladstone can get a
17:15
Speaker 4: lot done with picks in that range. It's certainly what
17:19
Speaker 4: he was banking on when they traded when they traded
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Speaker 4: four Travis Hunter last offseason.
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Speaker 1: And just to touch on that, John, I think there
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Speaker 1: should be some legitimate excitement about three of those four
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Speaker 1: picks from the first two to three rounds last year
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Speaker 1: four rounds actually being available on defense. You talked about
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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, and we can debate what his role will
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Speaker 1: be going forward, but it sure seems like defense will
17:39
Speaker 1: be a bigger part of it. You get Caleb branstaw
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Speaker 1: back and we didn't barely see him at all last year.
17:44
Speaker 1: And the safety from Tulane should be on the field
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Speaker 1: in May and Jaylen mcloudy outside linebacker, that rushbacker kind
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Speaker 1: of guy who could be one of Devin Lloyd's replacements.
17:54
Speaker 1: There's not just eleven picks coming in, but some picks
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Speaker 1: from last year that could be significant upgrades.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's uh.
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Speaker 4: I think what you want to get to is where
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Speaker 4: People are talking about your draft class the moment you drafted,
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Speaker 4: and then maybe one or two guys during the season,
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Speaker 4: But it's your second year guys who should really be
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Speaker 4: accelerating during a season. And I think a huge storyline
18:21
Speaker 4: for the Jaguars will be how particularly Ransaw and Hunter,
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Speaker 4: the secondary had some issues late last year. People see
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Speaker 4: it all the draftnicks see it as a need. You
18:31
Speaker 4: see cornerback and safety drafted all over the place. I
18:34
Speaker 4: think there may be forgetting in a lot of cases
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Speaker 4: that they've got to, you know, to day one and
18:41
Speaker 4: two picks coming in and they expect to really improve
18:44
Speaker 4: the secondary. So to me, that's the storyline more than
18:47
Speaker 4: the draft this year.
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Speaker 1: All right, more from John as we go into the ozhow,
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Speaker 1: which is up next on this morning, the dish of drag.
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Speaker 1: Yeah this.
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Speaker 2: Frity.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into the ozone here on a
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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. Welcome back to jag Z A M. Brian
19:11
Speaker 1: Sexton along with the ozone John Osier. John will start
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Speaker 1: in London. Nick wrote to you and wants to know
19:19
Speaker 1: the opponents are probably harder this year. There's significant dead cap.
19:23
Speaker 1: Is this season looking more like eleven and six is
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven the better prospect for success, and eleven
19:30
Speaker 1: and six seems pretty successful to me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's one thing that people need
19:34
Speaker 4: to remember this. I guess there are a couple of
19:37
Speaker 4: aspects of this question. They were interesting. You know, thirteen
19:40
Speaker 4: and four is great season. You go twelve and five,
19:44
Speaker 4: eleven and six. You know, if this team's going to
19:47
Speaker 4: go on a run, which which I think they can,
19:49
Speaker 4: I meaning you have Trevor Lawrence, you have your head
19:52
Speaker 4: coach in place. The idea is it is to reel
19:56
Speaker 4: off six or seven playoff appearances in a row and
19:59
Speaker 4: make it's an era, right, that's what we all want.
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Speaker 5: If you do that, it's very rare for all.
20:06
Speaker 4: Seasons in a run like that to be twelve and
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Speaker 4: five and up or twelve wins and up. The Colts
20:13
Speaker 4: teams I covered, I think they had seven or eight
20:15
Speaker 4: straight twelve wins seasons.
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Speaker 5: Well, that doesn't that didn't happen.
20:19
Speaker 4: So if you're gonna have a run like that some years,
20:21
Speaker 4: remember the Chiefs a couple of years ago.
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Speaker 5: When eleven and six won the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 4: So eleven and six, depending on how the season goes,
20:28
Speaker 4: if you have injuries, if you overcome some stuff that's
20:30
Speaker 4: not unsuccessful, first of all, But the implication there is,
20:37
Speaker 4: you know, it is the first place schedule gonna cause
20:40
Speaker 4: such a problem that you're looking at having success in
20:42
Speaker 4: twenty seven. I don't really feel that I understand where
20:47
Speaker 4: it's coming from. And yes, it will be harder, but
20:50
Speaker 4: the key point to that to me is sometimes a
20:54
Speaker 4: team with a first place schedule will dip. But last
20:58
Speaker 4: year the Jaguars beat San Francisco, the Chargers, the Texans,
21:04
Speaker 4: the Chiefs when they were good, the Broncos on the road.
21:09
Speaker 4: It's not like this team last year got into the
21:12
Speaker 4: playoffs sort of sneaking.
21:14
Speaker 5: By with that fourth place schedule.
21:16
Speaker 4: So I don't know that there's any reason to think
21:18
Speaker 4: that they can't go compete against the best. So the
21:21
Speaker 4: premise makes sense because that does happen. But this team
21:26
Speaker 4: doesn't feel like it's gonna get like punched because it's
21:30
Speaker 4: not used to the competition. That didn't feel like what
21:33
Speaker 4: that division title was to me last year.
21:34
Speaker 1: Well, and hopefully Nick had a chance to hear the
21:36
Speaker 1: coach off the top of the show where he said
21:38
Speaker 1: we could be a better football team, played better football
21:42
Speaker 1: and not win thirteen games. Obviously, that is something that
21:45
Speaker 1: happens over time. Next question from Sean in North Carolina.
21:49
Speaker 1: Do you think the reason Trayvon Walker hasn't been resigned
21:53
Speaker 1: yet is because the front office wants to see how
21:55
Speaker 1: the draft unfolds and did the Jags pick up Anton
21:59
Speaker 1: Harrison's fit year option. James Gladstone said to Rhinal hollerin
22:02
Speaker 1: yesterday that they did.
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Speaker 4: They will officially, they haven't done it yet, but yeah,
22:07
Speaker 4: they got that out of the way decision making in
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Speaker 4: their head. Wise, Look, I think I think the reason
22:14
Speaker 4: that Trayvon hasn't been resigned yet is because it's going
22:18
Speaker 4: to be a mammoth contract, perhaps second only to Trevor
22:22
Speaker 4: Lawrence's in the franchise's history. Maybe there'll be a couple others,
22:25
Speaker 4: but it's going to be one of the ones he
22:27
Speaker 4: did to shape the cap around.
22:29
Speaker 5: So I think that's more the question.
22:35
Speaker 4: Originally, I don't know if this is the one we
22:37
Speaker 4: use on the air, sort of implied that they may
22:39
Speaker 4: be looking for his replacement in the draft, trying to
22:43
Speaker 4: figure out a direction other than Trayvon. I don't think
22:47
Speaker 4: that's the case at all. This team values Trayvon. He
22:51
Speaker 4: is a core player. That you won around for a
22:55
Speaker 4: long time. It's going to be one of the salary
22:59
Speaker 4: cap piece is that forms the foundation of the cap
23:02
Speaker 4: that you have to work around. So it's a big
23:05
Speaker 4: it's a big contract that doesn't always get done in
23:08
Speaker 4: the first text on the group chat, we've.
23:10
Speaker 1: Seen a lot of these. Do you have a sense
23:12
Speaker 1: of when we might it's just a you know, the
23:14
Speaker 1: week of training camp like they did with having Ingram
23:17
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, late summer, sort of take
23:20
Speaker 1: your time work through it, or could there be something
23:22
Speaker 1: that we don't see until the middle of the season.
23:24
Speaker 4: You know it's I think it will be one where
23:30
Speaker 4: my senses they've started meaning I think they've talked to
23:33
Speaker 4: the other people involved. I would think they would have.
23:37
Speaker 4: They've started out. I don't think there's animosity between the sides.
23:41
Speaker 4: I think both are coming in with the idea want
23:43
Speaker 4: to get it done. My conversations with Trayvon have always
23:46
Speaker 4: been that he wants to be here. Money is certainly
23:49
Speaker 4: an object, as it would be for anybody. But I
23:53
Speaker 4: would guess there's some casual back and forth trying to
23:57
Speaker 4: get in the right world, meaning, hey, you know we're
24:01
Speaker 4: looking at it like this you're looking at it like this.
24:05
Speaker 4: I don't have a great feel for time frame because
24:07
Speaker 4: these things people want to say that things get done
24:10
Speaker 4: at a certain time.
24:11
Speaker 5: Things usually get done because of a deadline.
24:13
Speaker 4: I would guess this gets done before the end of
24:17
Speaker 4: next season. But I don't think there's necessarily a reason
24:20
Speaker 4: to have a time frame thought, because I'm not sure
24:23
Speaker 4: that either side feels that much urgency, except if you're traveon.
24:27
Speaker 5: You want to get the money.
24:29
Speaker 4: But I say that's sort of Fastially, there was a
24:31
Speaker 4: little bit of urgency, But for him, the other side
24:35
Speaker 4: is here's here's number one overall pick. So I think,
24:40
Speaker 4: knowing Trayvon, the bank account's probably still okay.
24:43
Speaker 1: So it was making fifteen million dollars this year on
24:45
Speaker 1: the fifty year ound.
24:46
Speaker 4: So some young guys who like, if he had been
24:49
Speaker 4: a six round pick, then all of a sudden, you
24:52
Speaker 4: want the life changing dough, you know.
24:54
Speaker 5: I don't speak for Trayvon. He'd be his life.
24:56
Speaker 4: Changed when he got drafted. Now it's it's more a
25:00
Speaker 4: long term deal. Again, I don't think he's going to
25:03
Speaker 4: be checking his b of a app to make sure
25:06
Speaker 4: when the check cash is so that he can go
25:08
Speaker 4: by lunch.
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Speaker 1: Negotiations are always easier when you can be patient.
25:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's really a more succinct way.
25:16
Speaker 4: Odd that you would be this succinct to me, but yes,
25:19
Speaker 4: I think that's I think that's a more direct approach.
25:22
Speaker 1: All right. Finally, Stephen from fruit Cove Rights, the Jaguars
25:25
Speaker 1: at number fifty six overall will have a lot of
25:28
Speaker 1: pardon me, have to spend a lot to get into
25:30
Speaker 1: the bottom of round one. It's a good thing they
25:33
Speaker 1: have a lot to spend. Here's hoping Stephen. John doesn't
25:36
Speaker 1: appear to be comfortable with the idea of the first
25:38
Speaker 1: draft without the Jaguars first round pick in their history.
25:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we've.
25:46
Speaker 4: The draft has been so important to this fan base
25:48
Speaker 4: for so long, more important than it should have been,
25:52
Speaker 4: meaning that was, in many years the only fun it had.
25:55
Speaker 4: So the idea of not having a first round pick,
25:59
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, we don't have the shiny toy.
26:02
Speaker 5: Some years, you know, the shiny toy.
26:07
Speaker 4: Now we're getting into a phase of Jaguars history where
26:10
Speaker 4: the draft should be put back in where it's supposed
26:13
Speaker 4: to be, which is a nice offseason event that builds
26:16
Speaker 4: for the future. But this year's draft doesn't necessarily have
26:21
Speaker 4: to be a major thing what happens on the field
26:23
Speaker 4: next year. It needs to be major moving forward. So
26:28
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily know that for the Jaguar's sake, meaning
26:33
Speaker 4: the long term benefit of the franchise, if there needs
26:36
Speaker 4: to be this, oh my goodness, we have to figure
26:39
Speaker 4: out a way to get into round one, because if
26:41
Speaker 4: you're doing that, you're probably giving up maybe four to
26:45
Speaker 4: get to what it's a long way to go to
26:47
Speaker 4: get from fifty six to thirty two. They probably have
26:50
Speaker 4: to give up at least two of those third round picks.
26:52
Speaker 4: That sounds very exciting when you're thinking about Thursday night,
26:56
Speaker 4: But I'll ask you, do you really want to give
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Speaker 4: up that much? Is this not a year where you'd
27:03
Speaker 4: rather have two or three good players rather than a
27:05
Speaker 4: bottom first round guy. So here's hoping, is what I'm
27:11
Speaker 4: kind of talking about. I don't know that javers Man
27:13
Speaker 4: necessarily need the hope to get into the first round
27:15
Speaker 4: to have a productive draft with here.
27:17
Speaker 1: Well, you look at last year's you know, a second
27:19
Speaker 1: and third round picks, and the guy didn't have a
27:21
Speaker 1: second but the third round picks Cali Brand saw as
27:23
Speaker 1: a guy that we have high hopes for. You'd like
27:25
Speaker 1: to have that guy. Wyatt Milam is somebody I think,
27:30
Speaker 1: and I think I'm not the only person that believes
27:32
Speaker 1: this is going to be a long term starter for
27:33
Speaker 1: them when he breaks the line up here and Jayla McLeod,
27:37
Speaker 1: the kid from Auburn that we didn't get to see
27:38
Speaker 1: last year. He practiced a bit at the end of
27:40
Speaker 1: the year and he's incredibly athletic. Right it looks like
27:43
Speaker 1: he's going to be a very good player. I think
27:45
Speaker 1: three of those four of those yes are more valuable
27:48
Speaker 1: to this team where it is right now, which is
27:51
Speaker 1: fortifying the roster and building the kind of depth because
27:55
Speaker 1: they have decisions to make on players again. They let
27:58
Speaker 1: two guys go this year. There may be other guy
28:00
Speaker 1: they have to let go. You need to have replacement
28:02
Speaker 1: jars on the shelf that you can open and put
28:05
Speaker 1: players into the lineup.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want to use one of those second
28:08
Speaker 4: or third round picks in theory? I don't know what
28:12
Speaker 4: they're gonna do with Parker a punt returner, but he's
28:15
Speaker 4: starting to be a guy that you need in the lineup.
28:18
Speaker 4: Do you take a flyer on a punt return or
28:20
Speaker 4: third round guy outside linebacker, third round guy, one more safety,
28:26
Speaker 4: third round guy, all those historically you can get in
28:29
Speaker 4: that spot. Haven't even talked about the second round yet,
28:32
Speaker 4: So I don't know. Knowing James glass Own, if there's
28:37
Speaker 4: somebody there, he will try to move up, no question,
28:40
Speaker 4: But I don't know that it's a have to, and
28:42
Speaker 4: I don't think to have a good draft.
28:44
Speaker 5: I don't think you have to do it well.
28:46
Speaker 1: The most glaring need I think we've talked about this
28:49
Speaker 1: offseason would be maybe a penetrating defensive tackle. But this
28:52
Speaker 1: doesn't appear to be a great draft fat So why
28:54
Speaker 1: would you move up when there are other positions with
28:58
Speaker 1: good players that will benefit you A time, lots to
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Speaker 1: talk about in the next couple of weeks leading up
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Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, which will be
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Speaker 1: held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. We're back to wrap this show
29:08
Speaker 1: up in just a moment, and we're back to wrap
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Speaker 1: things up on Jags am Brian John Kai returns next week.
29:21
Speaker 1: The draft is a couple of weeks away OTAs well.
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Speaker 1: You got to get the phase one of the off season,
29:28
Speaker 1: which starts on April twentieth. Yeah, hard to believe it's
29:32
Speaker 1: here already. Yeah, just a couple of weeks and we'll
29:34
Speaker 1: stay on top of all the stories, including the vote
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Speaker 1: This afternoon from orlandos so tay tuned to all the
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