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Hour 2: Luigi Mangione · Curtis Sliwa & Larry Mendte In The Morning

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, talk about a court room drama.
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Speaker 1: At eleven o'clock today at a hearing in federal court
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Speaker 1: in Manhattan, we are going to find out if Luigi
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Speaker 1: Mangioni is going to take a guilty plea to federal charges.
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Speaker 1: This is what he is trying to do, because it
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Speaker 1: really is threading a needle. He's trying to get the
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Speaker 1: federal prosecutors to drop a couple of the charges against
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Speaker 1: him so that it'd be less of a penalty. Because
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Speaker 1: they have no authority none, they can't promise him a
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Speaker 1: smaller sentence. That is only the federal judge that can
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Speaker 1: do that. So again, this is really threading a needle.
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Speaker 1: If they go with all the charges and they're hoping
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Speaker 1: that they can convince the judge to reduce the sentence,
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Speaker 1: man is Mangioni taking a risk. Part of that is
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Speaker 1: that they then will reintroduce the argument of double jeopardy
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Speaker 1: in the states that's already been thrown out because they
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Speaker 1: say it's different charges. So they're going to go to
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Speaker 1: the state and argue that again. So all of this,
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Speaker 1: this entire argument, this entire strategy is built on a
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Speaker 1: house of cards that could come crumbling down, which is
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Speaker 1: why I have to believe that Mangione was up all night.
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Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni has to be thinking to himself, do I
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Speaker 1: go through with this? Do I take this chance? Because
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Speaker 1: his defense team must be telling him, this is your
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Speaker 1: best and only chance. Let's get it. I'll just get
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Speaker 1: a legal authority real quick. Brian Buckmeyer, who you see
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Speaker 1: all the time on TV, a former public defender now
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Speaker 1: has a criminal defense outfit. Let him pipe in on this.
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Speaker 2: I think the plan is to try to get a
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Speaker 2: good deal from the judge, sidestep the execution, take it
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Speaker 2: from there, and in hope of double jeopardy argument wins
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Speaker 2: in state court. And that's how you get Luigia Manngoni
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Speaker 2: serving twelve years in prison because they probably believe this
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Speaker 2: is a mitigation case rather than a trial case.
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Speaker 1: Twelve year That makes sense to me. Twelve years in
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Speaker 1: prison for stalking and murdering a guy, shooting him in
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Speaker 1: the back on the streets. Twelve years in prison? Are
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Speaker 1: you kidding me?
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Speaker 3: As you said, if they move forward with this, they
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Speaker 3: leave it to the judge, the judge and the judge alone.
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Speaker 3: You aptly pointed out that they got rid of the
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Speaker 3: murder judges, so it's really just stalking, but it could
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Speaker 3: be a life sentence. Also, the federal judge has that discretion,
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Speaker 3: so they're not supposed to be going back and forth
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Speaker 3: with the judge and discussing the penalty. Just the fact
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Speaker 3: that they might be open to a plea, you can
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Speaker 3: do that. You can say, hey, we'd like to come
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Speaker 3: in session discuss a potential plea to resolve at least
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Speaker 3: a federal case. Both sides seem to at least want
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Speaker 3: to explore that. And yet there are two groups out
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Speaker 3: there that are lighting candles and begging and beseeching that
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Speaker 3: Luigi mangi own does not do it. First off is Manginistas,
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Speaker 3: of which there are many out there. They've actually done interviews.
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Speaker 4: Don't do it. Go down with the ship. You're our hero. Okay,
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Speaker 4: it's understood.
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Speaker 3: Those are the loney Kazoni's out there that are always
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Speaker 3: there whenever he has a court hearing. You know, they
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Speaker 3: love this guy. They adore him and especially love his eyebrows.
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Speaker 3: By the way, why didn't he shave his eyebrows on
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Speaker 3: his getaway? That's what eventually gave him up. But that
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Speaker 3: will say that for a different thing. The second group,
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Speaker 3: and you know this group better than anybody, Larry journalists.
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Speaker 3: They want to be assigned to both cases. This would
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Speaker 3: take up Man a good part of the year. If
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Speaker 3: he actually got tried by both the state on the
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Speaker 3: murder chargers they're charging him with murder, and the Feds
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Speaker 3: who were charging him on the stalking case.
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Speaker 4: They could live off this for a year.
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Speaker 1: Well more than the reporters, because the reporters can go
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Speaker 1: to other stories. Are the legal analysts. The legal analysts
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Speaker 1: who did all that TV time, just go every single
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Speaker 1: day they would be on talking about this. Guys like
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Speaker 1: the person I just played, Brian Buckmeyer.
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Speaker 3: You see, this is what does not make sense. Going
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Speaker 3: into that hearing the other day in the state court
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Speaker 3: before a judge who had been appointed by Rudy Giuliani
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Speaker 3: must be the only one left. Carr k Roll. He
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Speaker 3: wanted the overflow room. He got it, and he wanted
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Speaker 3: it streamed. The judge never made a ruling on that.
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Speaker 3: He was gonna, you know, put that off for another
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Speaker 3: day so that the whole world could watch the proceedings. Now,
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Speaker 3: if you actually go for this plea, I can't understand
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Speaker 3: why you go. If it could be guaranteed you only
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Speaker 3: get twelve years, you could be out in ten still
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Speaker 3: a young guy.
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Speaker 4: He would be less than forty by the time he's out.
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Speaker 3: Then for a cold blooded, calculated, premeditated murder that he
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Speaker 3: had every opportunity to step away from, even when he
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Speaker 3: stalked his victim. We saw it on film while he
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Speaker 3: was having a Starbucks just the other block here where
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Speaker 3: the Hilton is, went out far from the Hilton at
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Speaker 3: oh and he saw him, and then he ventured out
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Speaker 3: and then he shot him multiple times and then made
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Speaker 3: his getaway. So he would say something, Okay, I can
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Speaker 3: understand that. You know, twelve years is a hell of
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Speaker 3: a lot better than possibly triple life without parole. But man,
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Speaker 3: this guy seems to me to have that Fauci effect.
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Speaker 3: He loves the attention, he loves the adoration. Remember, he
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Speaker 3: has I believe a slate in in jail like all
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Speaker 3: prisoners are entitled to. That's like having a laptop. He
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Speaker 3: communicates with all these man gene stays, you better believe
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Speaker 3: all night long.
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Speaker 4: No, Luigi, we love you so yeah.
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Speaker 1: We've already seen them on TV begging for him not
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Speaker 1: to take a plea because he has become a cause
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Speaker 1: celeb against the healthcare industry and so, but these are
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Speaker 1: people that don't have to spend time in jail, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. He has it all on the line.
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Speaker 1: Let me just point out one other thing. You keep saying,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna do this. He's going to do this. First
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Speaker 1: of all, he's got some very expensive attorneys, very highly
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Speaker 1: thought of defense attorneys who have tried everything they could.
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Speaker 1: That's why that pre trial evidentiary hearing was so important
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Speaker 1: to get as much thrown out as possible. That's why
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Speaker 1: it went on for two weeks because they thought that
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Speaker 1: was the trial. If we can save him here, if
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Speaker 1: we can get things thrown out which they did, which
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Speaker 1: they did, then maybe maybe maybe we can get this
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Speaker 1: guy off. It didn't work out completely the way they
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Speaker 1: wanted it to, and so now it's not just him
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Speaker 1: making a decision. He's got to listen to these defense attorney.
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Speaker 1: But most importantly hanging over everything is Mommy and Daddy
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Speaker 1: go Painful. We never get to see them, but they're
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Speaker 1: paying for everything. They are the paying client. They get
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Speaker 1: a say in this decision.
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Speaker 3: Well as he sits there, and he's a bright guy,
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Speaker 3: you know, he's not a dullard. He's processing all of this.
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Speaker 3: He can walk right up to the line and almost
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Speaker 3: dot the ie and crush the tee and then do
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Speaker 3: a pirouette and spin away. Boy, would that get attention? Yeah, well,
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Speaker 3: I'm telling you that could happen. It's it's absolutely could happen.
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Speaker 3: Because it doesn't matter what documents they have, It doesn't
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Speaker 3: matter what they come in with and say. The judge
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Speaker 3: is going to look at him and say do you
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Speaker 3: agree to all this? And he's going to say yes
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Speaker 3: or no, and he has the opportunity up until that
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Speaker 3: minute to change his mind. I do not believe, and
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Speaker 3: I stand to be corrected, that the federal judge could
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Speaker 3: have telegraphed to the defense team and to the prosecution
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Speaker 3: and if you agree to this, this is probably, you know,
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Speaker 3: the sentencing that I would utilize.
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Speaker 4: I don't believe that that.
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Speaker 1: Would be extremely, extremely unethical for that to happen. The
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Speaker 1: judge has complete say you're right. They can make a
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Speaker 1: suggestion to him, but he has complete say, which is
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Speaker 1: what makes this so dangerous for MANGEONI. The judge can
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Speaker 1: turn around and go, how dare you? How dare you?
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Speaker 1: Do you know what you did. No, we're going through
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Speaker 1: with this trial and you take the risk of ticking
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Speaker 1: off the judge. But I think I know where the
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Speaker 1: strategy came from. I remember the other day I described
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Speaker 1: his celebrity law team. It's her husband and wife, Karen Agnefillo,
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Speaker 1: who used to really run the Manhattan DA's office for
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Speaker 1: Cyrus Vance. She had prosecuted Harvey Weinstein, Alan Wise Oldberg.
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Speaker 1: You say who's he? He was the CFO or the
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Speaker 1: Trump corporation. And she's tough. I mean she said him
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Speaker 1: the Reicher's Island. Hey guy was what like ninety six
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Speaker 1: years old. But her husband, Mark Philo, has represented Sean
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Speaker 1: Combs and also Paul Manaford. Slowly I turned, step by
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Speaker 1: step to twenty nineteen, a Manhattan judge tossed a mortgage
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Speaker 1: fraud case against Paul Maniford. That was a Cyrus Vance case,
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Speaker 1: claiming double jeopardy because he was being tried by the
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Speaker 1: Feds and the state. You know who his lead attorney was,
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Speaker 1: Paul Maniford, former campaign manager for Donald Trump. Remember in
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Speaker 1: the first campaign twenty six years Todd Blanche who's now
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Speaker 1: the Attorney General. You know who his assistant was on
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Speaker 1: that case, Mark Agnefhilo. Oh wow, So the template was
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Speaker 1: already set. And I'm sure that Mark, who was skilled
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Speaker 1: in this when he worked with Todd Blanch probably went
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Speaker 1: to the family and said, we can do the same thing.
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Speaker 1: We can get to double jeopardy, which would then cause
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Speaker 1: no matter how much Alvin Bragg is screaming and hollering,
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Speaker 1: and he's already screaming in holloween, no no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: you can't usurp the state case.
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Speaker 3: In fact, our case is even tougher because we got
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Speaker 3: him on second de We murder, illegal weapons and possible life.
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Speaker 3: You're never gonna get life in Alvin Bragg's court. You
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Speaker 3: pick a jury in Manhattan State Court, you're gonna have
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Speaker 3: a lot of sympathetic potential jurists, guys, especially if you
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Speaker 3: ever got on the stand.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you need is one or two to hang the journey.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's gonna be fascinating. It's gonna be a lot
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Speaker 1: of drama. And trust me, there's gonna be a lot
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Speaker 1: of supporters of Mangione outside of federal court. It is
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Speaker 1: going to be real drama because we do not know
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Speaker 1: what is going to happen until Mangione gets in front
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Speaker 1: of that microphone and is asked by the judge, what
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Speaker 1: do you want to do?
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Speaker 3: What d What is your hunch, Larry, Because if you
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Speaker 3: were in your old role as a journalist out there,
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Speaker 3: you'd want him to say, no, let's go to trial, right,
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Speaker 3: But just as somebody who's been through this process, what
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Speaker 3: is your hunch.
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Speaker 4: What he'll do?
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Speaker 1: I think he's taken the play.
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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna look at all those man genistas,
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Speaker 3: you know, who are fluttering their eyebrows at him, and
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Speaker 3: probably Nadalie Migliori, who's down there sampling opinion, who will
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Speaker 3: be joining us to the end of this hour, and
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Speaker 3: probably saying he can't do it.
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Speaker 4: To my maginian no I left in the world.
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Speaker 1: First of all, it's mommy and daddy. These are great attorneys.
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Speaker 1: They're not taking him into that courtroom unless they know
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Speaker 1: he's sure, and if he has any doubts whatsoever, they're
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Speaker 1: just gonna cancel the hearing. They're gonna or they're gonna
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Speaker 1: get in there and say, sorry, your honor, we've had
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Speaker 1: a change in plans. But there's no way that.
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Speaker 4: Would be great.
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Speaker 1: That's a great TV show, that would be a tremendous movie,
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Speaker 1: But I don't think that's gonna happen in real life.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I can see him walk up to
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Speaker 3: the line and then do that Pirouett. All right, when
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Speaker 3: we come back, do you hear about all the dead
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Speaker 3: Jersey Shore. We'll talk about all of it when we
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Speaker 1: wa The headlines were scary, weren't they, And all the
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Speaker 1: local news stations in New York and Philadelphia and News
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Speaker 1: twelve in New Jersey they were saying, thirty sharks washed
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Speaker 1: up on the Jersey Shore, thirty sharks in Sea Isle
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Speaker 1: City and New Jersey. How many more are out there?
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Speaker 1: So then when you really dig into the story, these
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Speaker 1: are thirty dead dogfish sharks. There has never in the
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Speaker 1: history of mankind been a dogfish shark that has attacked
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Speaker 1: a human. They just don't. They're bottom feeders. They don't
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Speaker 1: even go after other fish. They go after anything that's
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Speaker 1: left behind. They eat it off the bottom of the ocean.
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Speaker 1: But they look scary all even the little sand sharks
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Speaker 1: look scary, you know, they look I'm a bad man.
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Speaker 1: They have that face on them. But they don't hurt
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Speaker 1: anybody either, you know what I'm talking about with the
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Speaker 1: sand sharks.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, sand sharks are exactly. They're harmless from what we've
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Speaker 5: been told.
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Speaker 1: But dogfish sharks are harmless too, right, exactly.
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Speaker 5: But thirty washing up on the shore is unusual. We
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Speaker 5: have to admit that's not something that happens.
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Speaker 1: No, you're right, that is not something that happens. Though
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Speaker 1: they had that problem. And remember before in Sile when
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Speaker 1: they had all of those dolphins dead and showing up,
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Speaker 1: and then they had a whale in Seile. That was
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Speaker 1: back when they were putting up the wind turbines. But
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Speaker 1: so it's not you're right, thirty thirty sharks is unusual.
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Speaker 1: Thirty dogfish sharks are unusual. But the people that really
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Speaker 1: look into these things say one of two things. Happened.
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Speaker 1: It was either a sandbar that got close to the
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Speaker 1: got close to the shoreline and they died on the sandbar,
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Speaker 1: or it was just fishermen that caught them in their
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Speaker 1: nets by accident and then killed them because they don't
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Speaker 1: want them out there, and then they threw them in
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Speaker 1: the water.
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Speaker 4: Ay, sick.
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Speaker 3: I understand both you and Natalie are the Jersey shore.
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Speaker 3: Du woh you have places that you stay. I'm not
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Speaker 3: Jersey sure, but I'll tell you everybody hearing this story
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Speaker 3: is thinking of the movie Jaws.
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Speaker 1: I know, I know, and I will say this. I
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Speaker 1: I didn't know the real story until I looked at it.
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Speaker 1: The way that it was done on TV was as
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Speaker 1: if it was Jaws. You know. Oh my god, thirty
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Speaker 1: shucks up on the shore in Seeile. How many more
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Speaker 1: are out there? Well, I'm sure there's a whole lot
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Speaker 1: of dogfish.
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Speaker 3: Sharks and Natalie, do me a favor and separately go
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Speaker 3: out with your little dinghies this weekend as the shore
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Speaker 3: will be packed, and go on shok alert shark shark shark.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going this weekend. I'm gonna I'm gonna be
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Speaker 1: body surfing, I'll be bait okay, they can come after me,
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Speaker 1: you know what.
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Speaker 5: I heard this one thing though, and I don't know
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Speaker 5: if you've heard about this, Larry. So you know, there's
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Speaker 5: a lot of fishing boats out there, and of course
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Speaker 5: they throw bait out because they want to get fish.
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Speaker 5: So when these commercial fishing boats go out that you
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Speaker 5: know their customers.
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Speaker 1: Can catch them chumming. They call it, right, chumming.
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Speaker 5: I have heard people are now using drones to throw
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Speaker 5: down bait, so people have an eat your way of
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Speaker 5: catching fish. And I'm wondering if that's bringing the sharks
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Speaker 5: in closer then to your point, getting stuck in the
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Speaker 5: sandbars and things like that.
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Speaker 1: Oh, there's been sightings of bigger sharks out there. There's
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Speaker 1: there's been a great white, a couple of great white
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Speaker 1: spotted as well. They're out there because of the warmer
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Speaker 1: water and because they the ocean is just cleaner and
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of the food out there for him.
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Speaker 1: But these dogfish shark.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's okay, you go swim with them this weekend.
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Speaker 1: I am going to do. I'm glad that.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 1: Let's get some talkbacks, you guys.
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Speaker 6: I'm an ophthalmologist, but always have to mark the forehead
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Speaker 6: before surgery, because you do want to make sure that
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Speaker 6: you've marked the site for surgery.
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Speaker 4: It's really important. Friend of mine was getting his knee
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Speaker 4: do and.
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Speaker 7: Being a coffee doctor, he figured he'd have a little
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Speaker 7: fun on the opposite knee.
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Speaker 4: He wrote, not this knee, stupid because there was a
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Speaker 4: mark on the wrong knee. They canceled the surgery because
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Speaker 4: of that joke. Do you imagine that's so?
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Speaker 1: It is funny though.
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Speaker 8: The Mangione plea wow, after dragging us through two years,
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Speaker 8: one year, whatever it is of this saying it wasn't me,
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Speaker 8: it wasn't me. It sounds like that shaggy song called
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Speaker 8: it wasn't me. You know, caught him on camera it
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Speaker 8: wasn't me, caught him on the video on the street.
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Speaker 3: Wasn't me.
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Speaker 8: Ugh, go away and leave us alone for a long time,
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Speaker 8: Go to jail, goodbye.
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Speaker 1: I get it.
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Speaker 4: I get it.
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Speaker 1: You don't want this guy to get off with an
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Speaker 1: easy sentence. He stalked a guy across state lines and
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Speaker 1: shot him in the back. Now you want them to
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Speaker 1: be put away forever. So I understand. I get the
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Speaker 1: sentiment exactly. Let's get to Daria Albinger with the seven
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Speaker 1: thirty News Dire Morning.
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Speaker 9: Guys, Morning Natalie. Sunny and warm today, but it will
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Speaker 9: be less humid. Will see a high of eighty five degrees.
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Speaker 9: President Trump will be on Long Island later today in
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Speaker 9: security will be high.
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Speaker 10: Naso County Police Commissioner Patrick Ryders said as the department
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Speaker 10: is monitoring a protest with the controlled demonstration zone.
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Speaker 4: It would be controlled in that area. We can't let
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Speaker 4: people want it.
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Speaker 10: They cannot be any matches, that cannot be any walks
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Speaker 10: in towards.
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Speaker 4: The college area that has in a lockdown zone.
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Speaker 10: The President is visiting with NASA County Executive Bruce Blakeman,
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Speaker 10: who is New York's Republican candidate for governor. They're stopping
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Speaker 10: at a new police training center in Gordon City, where
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Speaker 10: President Trump will speak to a ticketed crowd and visit
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Speaker 10: another facility in Minneola. Natalie Migliori Wor News.
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Speaker 9: Luigi Mangioni is expected to plead guilty to a federal
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Speaker 9: charge of stalking when he appears today in federal court.
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Speaker 9: Mangione is charged in the twenty twenty four murder of
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Speaker 9: United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson on state charges. He was
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20:26
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20:57
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Speaker 3: I saw it firsthand when I got my license with Nancy.
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Speaker 3: Larry together with Natalie that the best day of my
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Speaker 3: life was I got that marriage license downtown to marry Nancy.
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Speaker 3: It's been the best thing that's ever happened to me,
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Speaker 3: absolute best thing. We met ten years ago, engaged a
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Speaker 3: year later, and so you have to go, even if
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Speaker 3: you're having a religious ceremony. As Natalie remind me of
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Speaker 3: the Howl Cavern, remember you remind me say today, No,
23:33
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Speaker 5: I knew you were a week at that point too.
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Speaker 4: Oh man.
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Speaker 1: But by the way, that's every guy in the world,
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Speaker 3: But I will never forget the licensing procedure because a
23:46
Speaker 3: lot of people go down there.
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Speaker 4: It's right near City.
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Speaker 3: Hall, right near the court buildings, and you go in,
23:51
Speaker 3: everyone's respectful. You get online. It's like a bank, like
23:54
Speaker 3: bank tellers. You go up, you give your information and
23:57
Speaker 3: then they asked you to take a seat. And it
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Speaker 3: was a glitch with me because I've had many marriages.
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Speaker 3: My first wife Corin Drayton, that very few people know about.
24:08
Speaker 3: I was married to for only one year and she
24:12
Speaker 3: discovered Jacobe, I discovered Myers, and we went our separate ways.
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Speaker 3: But the paperwork was up in the Bronx. It was
24:19
Speaker 3: handled in Bronx County. So the clerk there demands he says,
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Speaker 3: I see Mistress Lee. Well, obviously know who I am,
24:27
Speaker 3: that you've been married multiple times, but you're missing paperwork
24:31
Speaker 3: for the first marriage. I said, I don't have that. Said, well,
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Speaker 3: we can't issue you a license to marry Nancy unless
24:40
Speaker 3: you come up with it. And you know, my wife's
24:43
Speaker 3: any attorney she tried online wasn't there. She went up
24:46
Speaker 3: to Bronx County and a clerk helped her find it out.
24:51
Speaker 3: In Hunt's point, it was saying boxes because they hadn't
24:53
Speaker 3: put everything online. Thank god for that. Well, they would
24:56
Speaker 3: not have issued a license as if I was committing
24:58
Speaker 3: marriage for it.
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Speaker 4: Now, what was city there? For hours?
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Speaker 3: I mean hours, We're watching all these people meeting with
25:05
Speaker 3: one another for the very first time. You know, damn
25:08
Speaker 3: well they never met one another. You could see they
25:10
Speaker 3: were communicating in foreign languages. Most were Asian, but some
25:14
Speaker 3: were like European. They meet for the first time, they
25:18
Speaker 3: get married, and you know it's a scam. They're gonna
25:20
Speaker 3: get a green card and then all of a sudden
25:23
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a quick divorce.
25:25
Speaker 4: Thank god. Todd Blanche.
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Speaker 3: One of the first things he's done after being voting
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Speaker 3: in as the permanent Attorney General for the President of
25:35
Speaker 3: the United States Donald Trump, when after these fake marriages.
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Speaker 11: Today we are announcing the arrests and unseiling of an
25:43
Speaker 11: indictment out of the Southern disc of New York charging
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Speaker 11: eleven individuals for allegedly overseeing an extensive, decade long marriage
25:53
Speaker 11: fraud scheme involving more than one thousand sham marriages between
25:57
Speaker 11: Chinese nationals and United States citizens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was amazing. It was amazing that he came
26:04
Speaker 1: out of the box with that. Now, to be fair,
26:07
Speaker 1: there were investigators looking into this for some time and
26:10
Speaker 1: he saw it and said, are you ready to go?
26:12
Speaker 1: And they said yes, And it got to be his
26:14
Speaker 1: first real big hit being.
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Speaker 3: In this shut industry. Yeah, in New York Manhattan. It's wonderful.
26:19
Speaker 1: But let me let me let him talk a little
26:22
Speaker 1: bit more about this scam, because it's worth talking about.
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Speaker 1: They were paying thirty thousand dollars for the marriage and
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Speaker 1: then one hundred thousand dollars for the green card.
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Speaker 11: This is one of the largest marriage frauds prosecutions in
26:36
Speaker 11: United States history. This scheme was not a quick, fly
26:40
Speaker 11: by night operation, but rather a years long, multimillion dollar
26:44
Speaker 11: cottage industry to criminally assist people who would not or
26:48
Speaker 11: legally could not otherwise become citizens of the United States.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, forget birthright citizenship. This was a huge scam and
26:57
Speaker 1: apparently there's going to be more arrest in more states
27:00
Speaker 1: to come.
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Speaker 3: New York was just the first, Connecticut, Massachusett's, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida.
27:07
Speaker 4: It's systemic.
27:08
Speaker 3: Now, what they're supposed to do is be questioning, curious,
27:14
Speaker 3: like you know one another.
27:15
Speaker 4: They get you in a separate room. What is the
27:18
Speaker 4: color of his toothbrush?
27:19
Speaker 3: They get all this information in advance, and they separate you,
27:22
Speaker 3: and that's when they can catch you stumbling and mumbling,
27:25
Speaker 3: and then they should throw you right out on your
27:27
Speaker 3: talkers and arrest you for marriage.
27:29
Speaker 4: For it.
27:30
Speaker 3: Me and Nancy were trying to play by all the rules.
27:33
Speaker 3: But you know something, I'm looking back on it now
27:36
Speaker 3: and it was actually fortuitous that we waited four or
27:39
Speaker 3: five hours to watch this all transparent, because they'll even
27:42
Speaker 3: do a ceremony there, you know, the civil ceremony, the
27:45
Speaker 3: photographer and you're looking at the bride and groom and say,
27:49
Speaker 3: I said in Nancy, they.
27:50
Speaker 4: Don't know what another.
27:52
Speaker 3: They don't even know their names They've just been hooked
27:55
Speaker 3: up an arranged marriage to get that green card, and
27:58
Speaker 3: then in a year's time, get a divorce and they
28:01
Speaker 3: are American citizens. By then they will qualify for American citizenship.
28:06
Speaker 3: Take to test and scam the system. You know, these
28:10
Speaker 3: what you call overseas brides. You need an overseas bride. See,
28:14
Speaker 3: they did the arrangement right here in Terra Firma. Oh
28:18
Speaker 3: my god, No, it's a big deal.
28:20
Speaker 1: But when I hear these stories over and over again,
28:23
Speaker 1: I think to myself, my god, you know, you have
28:26
Speaker 1: all these people out in our country saying how awful
28:30
Speaker 1: it is and how we have to change it. And
28:33
Speaker 1: yet everybody wants to come here. They'd be willing to pay,
28:37
Speaker 1: They're willing to put their lives on the line to
28:40
Speaker 1: take boats or go across the border to get here.
28:43
Speaker 1: This country is the wealthiest country and the freest country
28:48
Speaker 1: in the history of the world. That's why everybody wants
28:52
Speaker 1: to be here. And then my second part of that is, so,
28:55
Speaker 1: then why do they want to get here and change it? Like,
28:58
Speaker 1: why do they want to come here? The people that
29:00
Speaker 1: want socialism, what do they do? They long for the
29:03
Speaker 1: oppressiveness of what they had they want to make major
29:07
Speaker 1: changes to our country for what reason? For what reason?
29:11
Speaker 1: You came here for. All of the things you defile,
29:16
Speaker 1: all the things you decry, is what you came here for.
29:20
Speaker 1: So what the heck are you doing? Well, Elsie, Mom, Donnie,
29:24
Speaker 1: all of them I know.
29:25
Speaker 3: Well, remember they're political. These people are not political. They're capitalists.
29:29
Speaker 3: They're coming here because they got the money to begin with.
29:32
Speaker 3: That's a lot of money, one hundred thousand dollars to
29:36
Speaker 3: basically be received here legally, because then you want to
29:40
Speaker 3: be able to make even more money. And if your
29:42
Speaker 3: country of origin in this place Mainland China, Red China collapses,
29:48
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you're an American citizen. So also,
29:52
Speaker 3: these are the purest capitalists in the world.
29:54
Speaker 1: There is if you listen to the press conference, there
29:59
Speaker 1: is some that there might be espionage involved as well,
30:02
Speaker 1: that they might be sent by the Chinese government.
30:05
Speaker 3: If given an opportunity. I'm going to alert Todd Blanche.
30:09
Speaker 3: I said, you know, the price varies depending where you
30:12
Speaker 3: are in the city, like, for instance, up on Fordham Road.
30:15
Speaker 3: We've been talking about how they want to put buses
30:17
Speaker 3: and buy clans here. That's where I was the manager
30:19
Speaker 3: of McDonald's formed the Guardian Angels. Depended on who you're
30:23
Speaker 3: looking for. If it's light skin, you pay more money.
30:27
Speaker 3: If it's darker skin, you pay less money. That's how
30:31
Speaker 3: the specificity is.
30:33
Speaker 4: And they do it right out in the open.
30:36
Speaker 3: I get it, my god, Todd Blanche is going after
30:39
Speaker 3: somebody something that was being done right in front of
30:43
Speaker 3: our faces.
30:44
Speaker 4: Basically it was marriage for it.
30:46
Speaker 1: And then all the people that will applaud this still say, well,
30:50
Speaker 1: there should be no ice, they shouldn't get everybody out
30:53
Speaker 1: of the country, which, by the way, is the same.
30:55
Speaker 1: They have the same motive to make sure that people
30:59
Speaker 1: come to this country that we want in this country,
31:02
Speaker 1: and not just those who scam their way in or
31:05
Speaker 1: sneak their way well.
31:07
Speaker 3: Up next, Oh, Natalie Megliori is sampling opinions on what
31:13
Speaker 3: Luigi Mangioni should do as the man you needs to say,
31:18
Speaker 3: don't compa please fight fight, fight FIGHTX is their whole
31:24
Speaker 3: lives now.
31:26
Speaker 4: It's sevent ten w o rs. Beat on the Street
31:30
Speaker 4: with Natalie Migliori.
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Speaker 3: All eyes on the hearing for Luigi Mangioni in Federal
31:36
Speaker 3: court today and out there in the streets. Getting reaction is.
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Speaker 4: Our own, Natalie Migliori, what other people have to say?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, good morning guys. Well, Luigi Mangioni just a few
31:48
Speaker 6: hours away from appearing in federal court in Lower Manhattan.
31:52
Speaker 6: He's expected to enter a guilty blea in connection to
31:55
Speaker 6: the federal stalking charges in the shooting death of United
31:58
Speaker 6: health Care CEO Ian Thompson. People out there clearly remembering
32:03
Speaker 6: that day.
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Speaker 12: I don't condone what he did. He's bringing all of
32:07
Speaker 12: it to light. And if if this is what it took,
32:09
Speaker 12: you know, I don't know about a plea deal for him.
32:11
Speaker 12: You know, he kills somebody, He brought the health care
32:14
Speaker 12: problem to lay.
32:15
Speaker 4: He didn't deserve that.
32:16
Speaker 8: The man didn't deserve that.
32:17
Speaker 7: You don't shoot people just because you know, it can
32:20
Speaker 7: be disagree with many things, politicians, economical things, but it
32:25
Speaker 7: can kill people.
32:26
Speaker 8: You know, there's just hu much another bizarre experience in
32:29
Speaker 8: this world that we live in, not just the city,
32:32
Speaker 8: but the world.
32:35
Speaker 6: Well, Mangioni could enter a guilty plea just weeks before
32:38
Speaker 6: his state trial is set to start. Their speculation he
32:42
Speaker 6: could try to use the plea to his advantage in
32:45
Speaker 6: his state murder case, but the charges are different in
32:49
Speaker 6: those two cases. Now, people don't want to see him
32:53
Speaker 6: answer a plea, at least the people out there today,
32:56
Speaker 6: they seem to want a trial, hopefully not.
32:59
Speaker 7: Because he should pay for what he did. I disagree.
33:02
Speaker 7: He's not a hero. He's just kid somebody. You know,
33:04
Speaker 7: it could be any level. Many guys actually go to
33:07
Speaker 7: jail for less. I think he did something wrong and
33:09
Speaker 7: he has to pay for them.
33:11
Speaker 6: There are fans out there who have been sweeping outside
33:15
Speaker 6: the courthouse for hours now, hoping to get into the
33:19
Speaker 6: courtroom to watch everything unfold today. So the big question
33:24
Speaker 6: here is we've seen the signs, We've seen the people
33:26
Speaker 6: dressed up in costumes as Luigi and Mario kind of
33:30
Speaker 6: as a joke. But what do people think about Manzioni's supporters.
33:34
Speaker 13: I would never praise anybody for taking a life. I
33:38
Speaker 13: don't know, like it just comes to a certain extent.
33:41
Speaker 13: I mean, you know, to ease his own but I
33:43
Speaker 13: don't understand it. And the world has changed, and that's
33:45
Speaker 13: all I'll say. The world has definitely changed.
33:48
Speaker 4: People need heroes.
33:50
Speaker 7: He's actually he using his appearance saying he wants to
33:53
Speaker 7: be shown to create the situation and many many people
33:57
Speaker 7: They followed when people get married to people in because
34:00
Speaker 7: I appreciate them no matter what situation their choices.
34:04
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're talking about you know, people get married in prison.
34:07
Speaker 6: That's what that guy was saying. And all I know
34:09
Speaker 6: is that a prison wedding is probably way cheaper than
34:12
Speaker 6: the one I'm throwing.
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Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what. I'll tell you what, Natalie,
34:19
Speaker 1: you restored my faith in humanity because I think that
34:22
Speaker 1: we see the crazy people outside the trial and think
34:26
Speaker 1: that a lot of people feel that way. But almost everybody,
34:29
Speaker 1: And correct me if I'm wrong in this. Maybe everyone
34:32
Speaker 1: you talk with said no, no, no, they want to
34:35
Speaker 1: see him pay for what he did.
34:37
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a lot of people are saying they
34:39
Speaker 6: don't condone violence. It's not the way that that you
34:42
Speaker 6: handle it, and they would like to see this, you know,
34:45
Speaker 6: play out in a way where he does face punishment.
34:48
Speaker 3: Well, you know, actually there are two groups of people
34:51
Speaker 3: who agreed with some of those that you sourced their opinions,
34:55
Speaker 3: who said, no, he should go to trial. The journalists
34:58
Speaker 3: all want to go to both try now tie him
35:02
Speaker 3: up for a year, and the man junists have been
35:05
Speaker 3: all over media begging him, pleading with him, go down
35:09
Speaker 3: with the ship.
35:10
Speaker 4: You're our hero. Don't take a plead.
35:14
Speaker 3: So they want to be able to go and basically
35:17
Speaker 3: stalk him outside of the trial processes.
35:21
Speaker 4: Both trial processes.
35:22
Speaker 3: We're gonna find out momentarily at eleven o'clock, right, welu, Yes.
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Speaker 1: At eleven o'clock. Plus people believe in the cause that
35:29
Speaker 1: they they think he did the right thing, the crazy
35:32
Speaker 1: people that think he did the right things. That there's
35:34
Speaker 1: actually there's actually three groups. But look at he's going
35:37
Speaker 1: to listen to his attorneys. I think Natalie Migliore, thanks
35:40
Speaker 1: a lot. It's gonna be back Monday morning at seven
35:44
Speaker 1: point fifty. Well, it's a story that we've just now
35:47
Speaker 1: are hearing about, and we should have been on this
35:49
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35:52
Speaker 1: maybe the Defense Park Department should have been aware of this.
35:56
Speaker 1: The USS Lincoln, the aircraft carrier, has been at sea
36:00
Speaker 1: now for nine months, never gone to port once, and
36:04
Speaker 1: some of the people there tried to jump overboard. We'll
36:08
Speaker 1: talk about that after the eight o'clock news