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Man Lives With Bears For 13 Years. You Won't Believe How It Ends (but you can guess) "Grizzly Man" · Under the Docs

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  Speaker 1: A Californian Steve Irwin that gets real big in the bears.
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  Speaker 2: Under the Dogs, Yeah, under the dogs, very favor. We
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  Speaker 2: breakular locks.
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  Speaker 3: Funny, couldn't they erase all the shots makin the dogs
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  Speaker 3: under the docks, under the ducks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, under the docks.
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  Speaker 4: Under the dogs, and we're back under the docks, paranoid
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  Speaker 4: American Sean Chris, where we watched the docks and let
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  Speaker 4: you know if it sinks or swams.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, I'm something of a grizzly man myself.
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  Speaker 6: Today's film.
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  Speaker 7: Grizzly Man two thousand and five film, directed by Warner
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  Speaker 7: hurt Sog and narrated by Warner hurtzg. This documentary follows
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  Speaker 7: Timothy Treadwell's adventures in the Alaskan wildlife, where he decided, Hey,
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  Speaker 7: let's go live with bears. Humans suck. Bears are much
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  Speaker 7: easier to live with and maintain a life with.
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  Speaker 6: It follows his actual story.
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  Speaker 7: Because you got footage from all of this, like some
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  Speaker 7: credible footage for real.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't there a meme going around this or last year
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  Speaker 1: about would you rather have a man or have a
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  Speaker 1: bear or something? It was not the meme or you
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  Speaker 1: got it so this, Yeah, I guess it's the meme,
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  Speaker 1: but that was a little bit late, right, because this
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  Speaker 1: dude was doing in this in the nineties, like the
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  Speaker 1: early two thousands.
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  Speaker 6: Plotting the course.
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  Speaker 7: Timothy Treadwell dedicated his life to protecting and preserving the
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  Speaker 7: Alaskan grizzly bear wildlife, and this is his story, so
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  Speaker 7: it's kind of broken down a little bit differently than
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  Speaker 7: most other films. I will say that her song is like,
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  Speaker 7: this is my first time ever watching any of his films.
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  Speaker 7: As before we were talking about I've seen like the
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  Speaker 7: Simpsons make mockery of him, and I never knew who
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  Speaker 7: that voice was.
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  Speaker 6: Because he has this slow, like.
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  Speaker 7: Methodical like voice of like how he presents a story.
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  Speaker 6: It's really artistic.
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  Speaker 7: And I will say, like I've I was pretty blown
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  Speaker 7: away even just right away of how he presented the story.
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  Speaker 7: The story unfolds pretty uniquely, but basically, Timothy Treadwell decides
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  Speaker 7: after a failed acting career after an addiction to all
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  Speaker 7: kinds of stuff. He says, Hey, you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 7: going to start this foundation or be a part of
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  Speaker 7: this foundation where they're going to preserve the grizzlies in
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  Speaker 7: Alaska and he lives with them, actually lives with them
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  Speaker 7: for thirteen summers. So he goes in flies in over
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  Speaker 7: there and with food supplies and stays there for the
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  Speaker 7: whole summer, and he interacts. It's his interaction with these
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  Speaker 7: animals and the nature out there.
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  Speaker 6: But then it goes deeper.
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  Speaker 1: There's one name that never comes up in Grizzly Man
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  Speaker 1: that keeps coming up in my head, and that's Steve Irwin.
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  Speaker 1: Like this guy is basically a Californian Steve Irwin that
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  Speaker 1: gets real big in the bears and even to the
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  Speaker 1: point where he's shooting kind of a children's show in
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  Speaker 1: his head as he goes out here and does this,
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  Speaker 1: and he does bring it back to schools, and I
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  Speaker 1: guess he meets with teachers and educational districts and shows them, hey,
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  Speaker 1: here's this free content about me living with bears, and
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  Speaker 1: it's all edited, and some of them pick up on it,
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  Speaker 1: and he starts considering that to be like education. But
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  Speaker 1: you'll also realize, I don't think he gets paid for
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  Speaker 1: any of this. So he's doing all this stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: in fact, some of his closest friends are basically saying
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  Speaker 1: Timothy was the poorest person that I ever knew, because
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  Speaker 1: the guy just lives in a tent for most of
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  Speaker 1: his life, even when he's not with the bears and everything.
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  Speaker 1: So it was interesting that this guy truly was fully
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  Speaker 1: removed from society, like he lived with bears. He preferred
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  Speaker 1: the company of bears to humans, even to the point
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  Speaker 1: where towards the end, actually I'll save it, I'll save it.
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  Speaker 7: And he also believed that he could like rehabilitate and
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  Speaker 7: change the behavior of bears, right he was like, Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: they're just misunderstood, like you just kind of kind of
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  Speaker 7: check them, you know what I mean. Like it's like
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  Speaker 7: when someone that thinks they're a dog person, they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: you could just train any dog, or you.
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  Speaker 6: Could just.
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  Speaker 7: Not understanding how animals actually work and the craziness of nature.
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  Speaker 7: So we're her Sauce has a different perspective in philosophy
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  Speaker 7: on wildlife than Treadwell, and it kind of goes throughout
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  Speaker 7: this film of this challenge of Timothy's view and her
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  Speaker 7: Song's view of like what nature is and how it unfolds.
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  Speaker 7: But Treadwell believed that he can change the attitude and
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  Speaker 7: what a bear would do by like just kind of
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  Speaker 7: like I love you. Hey, we're okay, buddy. Like he'd
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  Speaker 7: kind of like dad him up right, he'd be like, hey,
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  Speaker 7: don't you do that, But I still love you, you
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  Speaker 7: know what I mean, Hey, go back, go lay down.
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  Speaker 7: And he he had this like delusion going on where
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  Speaker 7: like you said, he lived in this alternate world. And
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  Speaker 7: one of the parts that I thought was interesting. It's
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  Speaker 7: not necessarily a claim, but I mean is a claim.
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  Speaker 7: He used a fake name. Right, they interview his family
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  Speaker 7: and they're like, yeah, he changed his name, which and
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  Speaker 7: then the Dad's like, well, that is a family name.
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  Speaker 7: Like you know, he kind of wanted to hold onto that.
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  Speaker 7: But he's talking about, Hey, he was boozing it up,
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  Speaker 7: you know, partying a lot. They didn't they said drugs,
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  Speaker 7: but they said only weed. But I have a feeling
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  Speaker 7: where he was at it was more than just weed
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  Speaker 7: and maybe some like cocaine met the amphetamine. Kind of
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  Speaker 7: delusional kind of things out.
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  Speaker 1: When you could get some of that from behind the
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  Speaker 1: counter at a truck stop at that point, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I meant.
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  Speaker 7: Bit So I think this is more than just the
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  Speaker 7: story of him with the bears, but the de evolution
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  Speaker 7: of Timothy's mindset right, and his mental health, like the
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  Speaker 7: declining of like him living in this fantasy. So the
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  Speaker 7: parents talk about like he went out for the role
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  Speaker 7: for Cheers Woody Harrelson's part and he supposedly got the
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  Speaker 7: number two, but you know, it really set him in
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  Speaker 7: a tailspin. And then all of a suddenly he meets
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  Speaker 7: somebody and they're like, hey, you know what we should do.
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  Speaker 7: We should go live with the bears. And he created
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  Speaker 7: this whole persona like you said, like, I like that.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't even think of the Steve Irwin part when
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  Speaker 7: you brought that up. But he thought this person that
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  Speaker 7: he was this wildlife expert that was like, oh yeah, man,
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  Speaker 7: you can just like walk up to these things, man,
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  Speaker 7: like dude, I wrestle with the bears, I pet them.
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  Speaker 6: And he had this whole fake identity that.
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  Speaker 7: Really it's almost equivalent to me of like watching Breaking
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  Speaker 7: Bad in the development of a character. And you see
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  Speaker 7: from the beginning of the videos that he shot himself
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  Speaker 7: to towards the end how he evolved into this new character.
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  Speaker 7: Hidden treasures and overboard moments. I don't know what you got.
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  Speaker 7: I got a couple of good ones. There's a lot
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  Speaker 7: of hidden gems in this whole entire flick, but there's
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  Speaker 7: a couple that really stood out to me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this could just be the whole movie for me.
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  Speaker 1: This is honestly, I guess so well spoiler alert, I
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  Speaker 1: think we gotta gonna let you know that he dies, right.
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  Speaker 1: Timothy dies at the end of this word, basically halfway through,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's on tape.
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  Speaker 5: We don't see it.
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  Speaker 1: Herzog listens to it in front of you know, one
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  Speaker 1: of his ex girlfriends. It's still alive, and she hasn't
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  Speaker 1: even listened to it. She hasn't seen it, but she's
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  Speaker 1: got the tape. Herzog listens to it, and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: you should destroy this thing. You should destroy this tape.
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  Speaker 1: Don't listen to it yourself, just get rid. So it's
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  Speaker 1: obviously horrific what happens to Timothy, and we do talk
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  Speaker 1: to the corner, and the corner that has seen the tape.
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  Speaker 1: He analyzed Timothy's body. He saw claw marks tearing open
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  Speaker 1: the top of his skull like it was incredibly violent.
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  Speaker 1: And not to mention that his girlfriend went with him
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  Speaker 1: at the time. Amy, this girl Amy, that's only in
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  Speaker 1: I think they say, like twenty minutes worth of footage,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe it was like two hours worth of footage
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  Speaker 1: in this guy's hundreds or thousands of hours of you know,
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  Speaker 1: b roll and him talking to the camera and everything.
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  Speaker 1: So part of that too is that we don't really
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  Speaker 1: get a whole lot of insight about Amy or any
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  Speaker 1: of these other people that he kind of grew up with.
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  Speaker 1: But he dies at the end, So this becomes a
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  Speaker 1: very cautionary tale. Every everyone that criticizes Timothy for doing
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  Speaker 1: something crazy and not respecting the barrier between man and nature,
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  Speaker 1: they're kind of proven right a little bit, and there's
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  Speaker 1: even some people that throw some pretty hard shade, and
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  Speaker 1: I guess these are, like my some of the hidden treasures.
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  Speaker 1: Although again this is probably my favorite Werner Herzog documentary
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  Speaker 1: to date that I've seen, so that the entire movie,
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  Speaker 1: like I highly recommend just watching the whole movie, is
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  Speaker 1: a freaking hidden treasure. But really getting the critical aspect,
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  Speaker 1: it will be so easy to sit back and think
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  Speaker 1: about like a martyr to this wildlife cause like this, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this Steve Irwin out in the Kodiak. But some of
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  Speaker 1: the things are a museum director that I think is
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  Speaker 1: he's like part in a wit or you know, he
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  Speaker 1: comes from people that claim that region to be like
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  Speaker 1: they're they're true ancestry, and this guy was like, my
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  Speaker 1: ancestors lived alongside bears for seven thousand years, and like
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  Speaker 1: we always kept distance from them, and it's almost like
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  Speaker 1: it's common sense that you wouldn't integrate into like a
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  Speaker 1: bear community. It just doesn't make any sense to him,
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  Speaker 1: and he saw it as disrespectful. There's one guy that
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  Speaker 1: flat out was like, oh, we all thought he was
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  Speaker 1: mentally retarded, Like we just straight again. It is like
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  Speaker 1: from the nineties, so this is before that was a
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  Speaker 1: like the R word was a horrific thing to say.
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  Speaker 1: But he was like, yeah, this like everyone knew that
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  Speaker 1: this guy was just kooky. He was just this failed,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like recovering drug addict actor from California that
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  Speaker 1: rejects society and goes and lives with bears because he's
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  Speaker 1: in this like and to be fair, the documentary opens
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  Speaker 1: up on footage of Timothy and he's calling himself a warrior.
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  Speaker 1: He says Samurai a couple times. He refers to himself
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  Speaker 1: as Master of the Bears, So there's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of hubris involved. Here, And I think that that's my
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  Speaker 1: favorite part of this whole documentary is how well Herzog
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  Speaker 1: is able to show that just through Timothy's own footage
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  Speaker 1: and without him saying like, look at how this guy's
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  Speaker 1: got hubris, Like you just see that on your own
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  Speaker 1: as it goes through with him and interviews and all
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  Speaker 1: the footage of.
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  Speaker 7: Them, and for me, like it's the evolution because there's
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  Speaker 7: so many layers of stories. Right. There's this story of
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  Speaker 7: like the environmental activists like going too far, or the
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  Speaker 7: people that were like, oh, this idiot, this dummy. But
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  Speaker 7: then there's also this spirituality part. There's also this like
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  Speaker 7: mental health aspect of like this guy was searching for
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  Speaker 7: a purpose, right. Like one of the scenes that stood
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  Speaker 7: out for me is like it's pouring, like he wants
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  Speaker 7: rain because there is no rain and the salmon like
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  Speaker 7: that he wanted to rain more so the water comes up,
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  Speaker 7: so sama come up, so the bear can eat, right.
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  Speaker 6: His whole dedication is like, man, I hope the bears
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  Speaker 6: all right.
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  Speaker 7: And then he has this fox friend that like he
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  Speaker 7: just loves and the doors like he's your typical tree
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  Speaker 7: hugging what you'd call a hippie right, but at least
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  Speaker 7: the persona that we see, because then it splits a
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  Speaker 7: little bit because you can tell that he did not
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  Speaker 7: want Some of these scenes were not for all of us, right,
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  Speaker 7: they were just he was filming. So some of them
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  Speaker 7: you could see when he was in character of like hey, kids,
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  Speaker 7: about to go check out Winnie the Pooh. He go
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  Speaker 7: to this cave, but in this particular scene, he's like
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  Speaker 7: wishing for rain, and he's like if there is a
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  Speaker 7: God Allah, like he starts speaking the Hindu whatever, like
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  Speaker 7: he's like that cracked me up. And then it starts
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  Speaker 7: pouring rain and he feels like so overwhelmed with the emotion,
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  Speaker 7: like thank God, like yes, the bears are and you
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  Speaker 7: see that he starts losing himself. He's losing himself in
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  Speaker 7: this identity that he does. He has no connection. He
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  Speaker 7: doesn't feel connected with his family. He talks about like
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  Speaker 7: love and like he's like, man, I wish I could
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  Speaker 7: talk to women, and like even tries to have a
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  Speaker 7: little you know out there, like I'm pretty good in bed,
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  Speaker 7: but you know you're not supposed to say that, Like
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  Speaker 7: you know, he's trying to. And you see that he
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  Speaker 7: had connections with women but I think that he didn't
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  Speaker 7: have a full purpose and when he found this purpose
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  Speaker 7: in life of being with the Grizzlies, he didn't know
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  Speaker 7: anything else.
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  Speaker 6: And it's a fantastic story.
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  Speaker 7: This is probably one of my favorite films now top
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  Speaker 7: ten of all time of exploring the human mind and
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  Speaker 7: like how someone can feel broken and he's coming from
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  Speaker 7: this attic mentality, so he had to latch onto something.
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  Speaker 7: You gotta imagine he was an addict for a long
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  Speaker 7: time with drinking and doing drugs and maybe with women.
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  Speaker 6: Right, he had multiple women that were in his.
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  Speaker 7: Life that at the end you're like, okay, well he
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  Speaker 7: was obviously they were more than friends. And they even
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  Speaker 7: mentioned in the film, hey there was other women, but
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  Speaker 7: you know, they said they were strictly platonic and they
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  Speaker 7: didn't want to be interviewed in this film. The other
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  Speaker 7: part to me that's like really incredible was the actual
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  Speaker 7: footage that they took of like stuff or you're seeing
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  Speaker 7: a bear swimming and catching salmon, like and maybe that
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  Speaker 7: might maybe the bear that actually ended up killing him there,
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  Speaker 7: they're not one hundred percent sure, but like the close
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  Speaker 7: encounters and then him just sitting there talking like at
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  Speaker 7: one point, I've never seen this before. Two bears fighting
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  Speaker 7: and one just shit himself, right, he just literally shit himself,
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  Speaker 7: and you're like, whoa, this is incredible. This huge Jai munk.
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  Speaker 7: He was bigger than the other bear and he got punked.
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  Speaker 7: And then Timothy felt so connected to these bears. He
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  Speaker 7: went so close to him while the guy's sitting there
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  Speaker 7: and he's like, yeah, I know you're trying to get
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  Speaker 7: your girlfriend.
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  Speaker 6: I get it, Bud.
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  Speaker 7: Like you started seeing this, you know, breakdown of his
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  Speaker 7: mind of where he felt like these were his only friends,
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  Speaker 7: and it kind of gets you a little sad because
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  Speaker 7: you're like, wow, he just really doesn't feel connected with
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  Speaker 7: anybody in this world, and it's easier for him to
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  Speaker 7: connect with these giant creatures that he pretends are his friends.
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  Speaker 6: Like he's named all of them, he has names for them.
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  Speaker 7: He's even like, oh man, you didn't you underestimated mister chocolate,
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  Speaker 7: mister chocolate, Mickey.
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  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, your girl, I'm gonna take
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  Speaker 6: care of it.
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  Speaker 7: Not like that, buddy, And like that is just such
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  Speaker 7: a trip to me that you can actually capture that
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  Speaker 7: those moments, not only the nature, but the human nature,
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  Speaker 7: of like what the psychology of the isolation of being
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  Speaker 7: alone for so many days, and that means that he
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  Speaker 7: was probably alone when he was back. Because then he
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  Speaker 7: starts as he gets more, like you know, into ten, twelve,
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  Speaker 7: thirteen years be right up to his death, he gets
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  Speaker 7: more and more aggressive, more and more delusional. People are
• 15:35
  Speaker 7: on the island at one point and he's like, they're
• 15:38
  Speaker 7: throwing rocks. They're throwing rocks at hank or I forgot
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  Speaker 7: the little cub's name.
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  Speaker 5: They were.
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  Speaker 1: They were legit throwing rocks with a bear so that
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  Speaker 1: the bear would like look at them and they can
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  Speaker 1: get their photos. So it was kind of like, look
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  Speaker 1: at these assholes actually throwing rocks at bears.
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  Speaker 7: And then he goes into that scene of where he
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  Speaker 7: shows that they wrote me a note and there's a
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  Speaker 7: smiley face and he's like after me, and then.
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  Speaker 1: That was why, Yeah, they literally leave a little thing
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  Speaker 1: that's like see you next summer, or like a little
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  Speaker 1: smiley face, and he's sitting there like these are threats.
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  Speaker 1: These are threats on my life. And it's actually even
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  Speaker 1: scarier that they would put a smiley face. This is
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  Speaker 1: psychological warfare, Like you could see that he had gone
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  Speaker 1: to such an extent of distrusting human species. That's something
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  Speaker 1: as simple as a smiley face, as like someone was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we know you're here.
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  Speaker 5: Here's a little smiley face to let you know. You know.
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  Speaker 1: To me, I guess it'd be like friendly human has
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  Speaker 1: been here, We didn't want to disturb you. Okay, we'll
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  Speaker 1: be on our way now. And he's like, this is
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  Speaker 1: a death threat.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he said.
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  Speaker 7: They didn't say they're gonna murder me, but basically that's
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  Speaker 7: what they meant.
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  Speaker 1: I can, I mean, I can relate paranoid Americans, so
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  Speaker 1: I understand the thinking at least.
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  Speaker 7: And I would say my overboy Board moments were one,
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  Speaker 7: it's a great scene, but like and I guess it
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  Speaker 7: like her song is like really about the emotion and grabbing.
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  Speaker 7: That's what I've noticed watching all these films that we
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  Speaker 7: got into, especially starting with this one. You can see
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  Speaker 7: that he's but he does it and I like the
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: way he does it. But if I had to pick
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  Speaker 7: Overboard moments, it would be listening to the tape over
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  Speaker 7: they're like, oh my god, like you know, because it's
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: so dramatic where you see the side of his face.
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  Speaker 7: You don't really get to see him, and I know
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  Speaker 7: he's like really not wanting to be in it. And
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: then to tell on that, like because they put it
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: later because you don't know the Corner heard the tape.
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: He kind of just tells he doesn't say it, and
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: he's like, I'm hearing it. Like the Corner was out
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: there for me a little bit. He was a little quirky,
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: and he was just like and I can hear So
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: I'm thinking when I'm watching the film at first, that
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: he's recreating these thoughts from the remains, right when you
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: first interviewed the Corner, Like He's like I could hear
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: Amy's voice, and I'm like, you know what I mean.
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so like that part. But these overboard moments
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: are just me nitpicking.
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: Like overall, I if I had to pick something, that
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: would be it and I still like those parts.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I guess part of this movie, and this
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: is part of the Hidden Treasure aspect, maybe is that
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: it would be more accurate to call this a collab.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: This was a Timothy Trewell, you know, collabing with Werner Herzog.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Because a majority of the footage is shot by Timothy,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: it's of Timothy or it's at least his footage of
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: those bears fighting of you know, like these cubs and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: him finding all this stuff. So a majority of it,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: and the reason why I think it works so well
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: is because this guy was literally trying to shoot an
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: entertaining TV show. There's some cases where Herzog shows Timothy's
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: multiple takes where he'll just do a take one part.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: He did two different takes for each color bandana that
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: he may or may not be wearing, so it ended
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: up being eight takes. I think something around these high
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: numbers and that this was somewhat typical, so Herzog had
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of content to work with. But I also
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: feel like it's not one hundred percent all Hertzog here,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: like it's it's Herzog's interpretation of all this guy's footage.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: So part of that too is that we capture a
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: lot of like his.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: Own wild points Treadwell's.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: So I think my overboard moment is maybe when he
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: goes overboard, and one of those biggest overboard moments is
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: that he finds the paw of one of the cubs,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and I guess he implies that he saw these you know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the parents killing their own cubs and eating them because
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the rain hadn't come. So that this is what leads
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to him, you know, praying to all the different gods
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of the universe and then thanking all the gods of
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the universe once it starts raining. But he's saying that
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: because it hadn't rained, then the salmon didn't come, that
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the stream of salmon, and then the bears end up,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you know, starting to starve a little bit because they're
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: supposed to be bulken up for hibernation, so they just
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: start eating their own kids. And he's almost seen himself
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: as like, thank God, this white Savior is here. It's
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: to pray for rain for you, you know, you pour animals,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and finally that the rains here and you guys are
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: much better now and you can stop eating your kids.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: So I guess that was the to me, like the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: height of Herzog showing us of his delusion, that he
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: thinks that going out into the middle of the Kodiak
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: where bears are starving and then praying for you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Jesus or Muhammad or whoever you want to pray to,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: ends up making it rain there and then he can
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: like go back for another season. That that is kind
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: of like the height of the Hubris, so that one
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: is the hardest to be like, man, I can I mean,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: you can understand the mentality of him going out there
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and doing that because he's also trying to make it through.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you watch any of these like
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: survival shows, like Alone or even like Survival is kind
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: of like a cheesy version of that, but there's versions
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: where people go out into the kodiak and see how
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: long you survive, but those are all kind of like
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: game shows. And even this guy again like he's shooting
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: this because he wants to be on TV. He wants
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: to be an act there, So it's hard to separate
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that as you're watching this, but Herzog does a good
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: job of constantly reminding you of all that. So I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: guess the overboard it's just that this guy is kind
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of a tryhard Steve Irwin that fucked around and found out.
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: And I'll say an extra over the board moment is
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: now that you brought that up makes sense because he
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: was also trying to have this illusion not only a
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: he was this character, but this illusion that he was
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: completely by himself and like he did have more help
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: than he alluded to in a lot of his films,
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: like not only was his girlfriend there a few summers,
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: but he had other women there. He had women that
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: he stored stuff, that he had a pilot that would
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: deliver him supplies with his wife, and he had more help. Yes,
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: he was times that he was very alone over there,
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: but he had more help than he leaded to us
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: to believe.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: And I got to just squeeze this in too, that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: at the very end of the movie they show you
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: or they tell you how right before he died, they
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: had left the season was over, the bears went into hibernation,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and apparently in this documentary they mentioned that when the
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: bears that Timothy was familiar with and had named, you know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: mister Chocolate and Sergeant Brown and you know Rumpus or
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: all these rowdy roddy or something. But after those bears
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: go into hibernation for the winter, these interior bears come
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: out and sort of like fill their spot until the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: new you know, those bears come back out of hibernation
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and the interior bears go back into the interior. But
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that those interior bears are these rugged ones that don't
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: see humans very often. And that was one of the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: ones that killed them, but that he had already left
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: after his bears went into hibernation, flew back to California
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: with his girlfriend and then I guess, like at the airport,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know the exact sequence of events,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: but as soon as they land, he's just like that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: freaking guy looked at me wrong, that guy, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: stepped on my shoe, and man, I hate humans. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: he's like, hun, let's just turn right back around and
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: go back out there and just you know, take the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: whole winter with the bears, and somehow talks her into.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: It, and then that's when they die.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: So man, even at the last bad decision he made
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: was to go back and interact with these new bears
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: that he had absolutely no rapore with and it hadn't
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: been conditioned to him, and that's ultimately what killed them.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: Well, I feel like the underlining story that's not told
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: but told was so the girlfriend was about to get
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: a new job. I think his whole life was crumbling
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: underneath him as he was not getting where he wanted
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: to in life. He was kind of stuck, like he
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: thought he was going to get all this fame and
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: he's doing this for like thirteen summers, so thirteen years
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: of not getting really much credible income or like he's
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: getting a little notoriety from like schools and stuff like that,
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: but he's not able to really survive off this. And
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: I think his girlfriend may have wanted to leave him,
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: or like she was really in love. They had some
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: kind of rocky does it you know, moment that they
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: don't explain, and then.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Turns out she's like terrified of bears, like he.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: Writes in his note, Yeah, she scared of bears and
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: he's having her. But I think her love or her
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: fascination with Timothy got her stuck in this situation and
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: she wanted out. And I almost feel like subconsciously, and
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: this is just my opinion that like he kind of
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: wanted to die out there, like that was his plan, like,
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: and I think then it happened, and he didn't want
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: her to die maybe, but he was just like, hey,
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: life is over, then maybe this would make.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: Me a martyr and I'll be you know, more meaningful.
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: And I think he thought she could film it, but
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: he didn't realize it would probably kill both of them.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: It's that time sink or swim.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: I mean this one's got to be swim.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: For me, it's definitely the best Worn or Herzog documentary,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and I think it might, like you said, top ten,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I think I would say that it's probably in top
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: ten documentaries of all time. I don't know if if
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I even compare documentary and movies. I don't even know
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: if those two categories work in my brain. They're kind
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of apples and oranges. But this this one's got everything.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: It's got entertainment, it's got some really deep sort of
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: like analysis at all, Like deep down, aren't we all
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: just grizzly man like thirteen years into something that we're
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: trying to make work?
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: And for me, it's a swim all the way. First
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: I'm getting to see this. I really love this film
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: because it just tapped into what like now I'm like this, Yeah,
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: this is why I want to do this. Like I
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: didn't realize until I watched this, I'm like breaking down
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: these documentaries and kind of putting the human touch on
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: how humans act because all of this really has to
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: do with humans, right, no matter what documentary we were watching,
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: it's like an insight to the human species. And this
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: is one of the most incredible insights you can get
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: like a breakdown from a person that on all different
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: levels and then having like, you know, this middle ground
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: of where he gives you know, compassion and to Timothy's story,
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: but also like, ay man, nature's not what you think
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: it is.
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: It's a little bit more violent.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Herzog's does a good job, especially in this movie.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: But I do like it when the documentarian shows what
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: they're thinking of their biases on camera because a lot
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of the time, like maybe that's why I don't like
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: archival footage as much, is because there's no one sitting there,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like and here's what I think about all that, right,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Like I need some of that sometimes. And Herzog does
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a great job at maybe once or twice he'll stop,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: he'll kind of like give his own little voice over,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and he'll mention where here's Timothy giving the most trust
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: in nature and just like believing in the natural order
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and that this is some kind of harmony, like a
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: very hippie way of thinking. And then Herzog will come
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: in and talk about how he believes in nature being
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: brutally neutral and that nature has no morals and no ethics,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and if I got to eat my own cup to survive,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: then so be it, and that this isn't read stirring
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: with Timothy, and he kind of points out this is
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: where him and Timothy sort of separate the most.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: This is where their.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Biggest disagreement kind of lies in this one little aspect.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: And I like how we He'll just do it like
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: laser focused.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: He'll say it once, maybe twice in the entire documentary
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and let the rest of it speak for itself.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: On the horizon.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: What we got next, we're doing more Werner Herzog's.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So you said you've never watched any of his documentaries before,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: so this is a good way to ramp up. The
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: next one, I think is called Kava Forgotten Dreams, and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: we're almost watching him in the order that I first
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: came across her Zog. I saw Grizzly Man first in
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the early two thousands. I think I accidentally downloaded it,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and then I ended up watching Kava Forgotten Dreams because
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I think it was contemporary, like I saw that one
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: when it came out.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: So we'll watch that one next.
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• 28:21
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• 29:06
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• 29:08
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• 29:16
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• 30:06
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• 30:16
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• 31:01
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• 31:11
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• 31:13
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• 31:14
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