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PODCAST: Episide 724 - Inside Blood Ties: Ricky Warwick on Sobriety, Family, and Rock 'n' Roll · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  There's a confidence in a swagger.
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  That may have been the fact that I, I, I cleaned up and got sober
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  three years ago. That's certainly changed a lot
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  in my demeanour and my outlook on life.
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  In my world. People say it all the time, but
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  for me it was true. It had a huge effect and I, I
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  renewed vigour. So I went into this album with
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  my eyes really wide open and very more excited than probably
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  than I use the animal, but anything else.
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  And it was a joy to make. It was a joy to write.
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  It was a joy to get rid of a lot of demons.
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  I felt I'd exercised a few demons in the lyrics, but I
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  think I did it in a positive way.
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  What's up everybodyitskeithy@ghostcoltman.com
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  I'm super stoked to welcome in once again the great Ricky
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  Warwick. How are you doing, Sir?
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  I'm very well. Thank you.
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  Good to see you. Yeah, great to see you first and
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  foremost, you know, I know you just said off offline, you're in
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  Ireland right now. I hope your your home, your
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  family, your friends, your collaborators are OK.
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  We just went through like the worst of the worst with the
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  fires. I'm in Northern California, so
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  no stranger to fire fear and stuff.
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  And I just hope everybody in your circle.
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  Thank you. We were good.
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  It came pretty close to the place in LA where we're in
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  Beverly Hills and, and we're sort of right next door to
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  Pacific Palisades, which just got completely decimated.
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  And, you know, my daughter had friends that went to to Pali
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  High School there and the whole school's gone.
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  And it was awful. I was over here and I got back,
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  I was in our and I got back to LA about two days after the
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  fires had started. So it was still ongoing.
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  And yeah, crazy times. So crazy, crazy times we're
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  living in. Absolutely.
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  Last time we chatted, I was living in Brooklyn, and the time
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  before that was Boston. So now it's like all over the
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  world. Ricky and Keith, Hey.
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  Moving around, that's good. I am move around a bit and but
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  since I came to California, you're always worried about the
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  big one, right? The earthquakes and not the
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  fires. But I was taught the fires are
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  actually an every year thing for Northern Southern California.
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  Yeah, You know, just obviously not to the extent we had in Los
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  Angeles this year. That was that was definitely a
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  doozy. You know, it's crazy.
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  Yeah, just and then everything else.
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  The world at large is crazy. So, you know, I just hope your
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  your your whole. Thank you.
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  I appreciate that. We're all we're all doing.
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  We're all doing the best we can. Thank you very much.
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  Yeah, and as always, music is the relief.
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  Music is the bomb when we're when we're burned and we're in
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  pain. So I love blood ties.
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  This is fantastic coming out as we record this almost on the eve
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  of the album drop from Earache Records, which is fascinating in
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  and of itself, and that Earache is still going strong after like
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  35 years. Yeah, there's a label I used to
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  get tapes from in the 80s and 90s from Terrorizer magazine and
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  Kerrang as an import in America. Course.
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  And now they're still here. So blood ties, man.
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  You know, we were talking, you know, over the years, in the
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  time I've reflected back on, you know, I listen when I get to do
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  an interview with someone, I deep dive.
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  I listen to everything I can get my hand, my grubby little hands
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  and ears on. And I know in the previous solo
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  work, as you were trying to, you know, fend your way through, you
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  know, what it looks like to be back as a solo artist that you
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  were getting, you know, even more personal than ever before
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  with your work. And I feel like Blood Ties is
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  kind of a very uplifting, again, needed right now, a very
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  uplifting, overwhelmingly positive good record.
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  Is that an indication that you know, it's good to be Ricky
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  right now? Yeah, I'm thank you.
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  I think it's good to be comfortable in your own skin.
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  And I think I am finally starting to feel very, very at
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  home with who I am or whoever the hell Ricky Warwick is.
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  And I think that came through on the record.
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  I am there's there's a confidence swagger that may have
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  been the fact that I I cleaned up and got sober three years
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  ago. That's certainly changed a lot
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  in my demeanor and my outlook on life in my world.
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  People say it all the time, but for me, it was true.
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  It had a huge effect on a renewed vigor.
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  So I went into this album with my eyes really wide open and
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  very more excited than probably than I use the Alma.
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  But anything else. And it was a joy to make.
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  It was a joy to write. It was a joy to get rid of a lot
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  of demons. I felt I'd exercised a few
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  demons in the lyrics. But I think I did it in a
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  positive way. You know, I've never been a fan
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  of, you know, the it's, it's all doom and gloom.
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  The world's going and that's it. I'm always like, yeah, it's doom
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  and gloom. But there's still a lot of good
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  stuff going on out there. There's still a lot of good
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  people. There's still a lot of good
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  things happening. May have to look a little harder
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  for it, but it's there. I like that.
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  I also in the same way and I was there any trepidation, you know,
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  also I'm not drinking as much as I used to.
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  I'm not quite sober or not, but I can't drink anymore as much as
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  I used to or enjoy because of medical stuff.
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  So I, I know I'm like, oh, am I? Are people going to like me even
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  when I don't have a drink in my hand?
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  And you know, well, you know the hardest thing of my personality.
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  But not not drinking is other people.
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  People say what's the fuckest thing?
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  And the hardest thing is that the people that can't wrap your
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  head around the fact that you're not drinking, therefore you must
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  be having a shit time. That's that.
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  And then, you know, I'll get people to go on about it and I'm
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  like, I'm doing great. I'm having a great time.
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  You're ruining it for me because you shouldn't be having an issue
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  with, with what's going on in my life.
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  And I, and that's, that's the hardest part about it is, is
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  that peer pressure from other people.
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  Once you kind of move past that, you know, for me, it's, I don't
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  even think about it anymore. I'll still go about to the, to
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  the pub with my mates. I'll leave earlier.
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  I'll get to that point where don't they're on their 5th or
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  6th pint or the whiskey comes out and and they're on that
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  level. It's just selling this when you
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  can't get on that plane, that's fine.
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  I'll just go guys, it's great. It's 11:00.
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  I'm going home. I'm going to get up tomorrow at
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  7:00. My head will be clear.
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  You're going to wake up tomorrow.
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  The choices, hangover, you're into that more part to you, but
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  that's just not my kick right now.
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  Right on. Good for you.
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  And you know it does work if you work it as they say.
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  And you know what I thought about even not related to this,
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  but I, I watched recently the Shane McGowan documentary and
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  how could you not be a fan? We talked before about him being
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  an influence, his influence over everybody.
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  And you know, I just felt so bad for him.
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  He was suffering so much at the end of his life.
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  And I just was like, Oh my God, like I'm so glad I I didn't do
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  even more damage to myself than I did because here's a
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  beautiful, wonderful, genius person that robbed himself from
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  the world. And like, he had like a lifetime
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  of problems, right? And demons to work out himself.
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  But just like, I just felt so I don't think I ever felt so bad
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  for an artist in my whole life. Like I just felt so bad for him.
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  He struggled so badly at the end.
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  Yeah, it's a shame, you know, And for some people, they just,
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  it's an affliction that they can't overcome.
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  Some, some people, some artists don't want to overcome it.
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  That's who they are and what they are and they'll go out that
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  way. You know, Shane was, it was a
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  great writer and a great poet and, and left his mark and was
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  certainly uncompromising right till the very end.
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  Indeed, there's a there's a healthy kind of stubbornness
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  that you need to have. I think as an artist, you, you
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  can appreciate that to, you know, again, to follow your own
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  path. And, and I also always think
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  about like the very first time I heard his voice and I was like,
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  Oh my God, this is the voice of a million sorrows.
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  But also like, why does it make me feel better?
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  I did sad music make me feel better?
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  It just does, right. I don't know.
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  I, I, you know, you talked about like kind of feeling comfortable
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  with yourself. I often feel like men,
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  especially, you know, our generation of men, I think we're
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  just a little more smooth brained longer.
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  Like the folds. The folds don't fully come in
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  the brain flesh until much later in life.
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  Or whether it's wisdom or whatever it is.
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  We have to go through our journeys, right?
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  But I just feel like I meet very mature women at at a younger age
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  and they're like, they got it figured out.
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  And I'm just like, what am I doing?
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  I'm a 52 year old man child. Why don't I have this better
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  figured out? I didn't plan for it.
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  That's what it was. I thought we were going to go
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  out in the hail of fallout and I didn't think we were going to be
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  here. But yeah, man, blood ties.
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  This is so strong and so wonderful to hear these up tempo
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  uplifting songs. And I know you know, for, you
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  know, obviously it all begins and ends with you.
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  But I, I wanted to talk about Keith Nelsons of, you know, a
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  friend and a collaborator and almost randomly for a person
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  that has sold millions of records, very underrated as a Co
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  writer and a producer. So I wanted to ask you about
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  your relationship and your working relationship.
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  I agreed it's extremely talented guy that goes under the radar
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  more than it more than he should, but I think he kind of
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  likes it that way now. He go yeah, Keith now, I mean
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  he's so underrated, but I think he kind of likes it that way
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  now. I mean, he, he stepped back from
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  Buckcherry for a reason that he didn't want to go on the road
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  anymore and he wanted to concentrate on on songwriting
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  and being an engineer. And he's got his own, excuse me,
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  he's got his own studio now, which is fantastic.
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  He's become a hell of an engineer and he already was a
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  hell of a guitar player and a hell of a songwriter.
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  So that's just another string to his bow now that he's so good at
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  engineering and we've built up a relationship from the last
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  record. I really only met Keith
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  literally right before we started making the last record.
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  Now I feel like I know the guy. You know, we're 5-6 years down
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  the road. So again, there's a bond as
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  confidence builds up there. You get comfortable being in
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  somebody's company. You're not afraid to sort of say
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  stuff. I can't say enough good things
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  about Keith. I bring him an idea and he gets
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  it. He has a vision and he makes it
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  about me. He doesn't try and I'm Keith
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  Nelson from Buckcherry and needs to sound like this.
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  It's like I want to make a Ricky Warwick record and that's a
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  great thing and it makes my life really easy and he brings so
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  much to the to the table. He's fantastic and.
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  Yeah, like, of course you know what you want out of every
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  record and you help write the song, so you want to.
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  Well, I. Think I know it doesn't always
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  turn out that way. Right, of course, but you know,
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  and also like you've always been, you know, has had a great
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  spirit of collaboration, whatever project it was or your
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  solo work. And Speaking of collaborators, I
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  love these guests appearances on the record, especially Lita, who
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  I got to meet once and was fantastic.
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  It's such a great compliment to your voice.
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  Her voice comes in and it's unbelievable.
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  Great job. Yeah, thank you very much.
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  No, I'm, I'm honored to have her be such a part of it, not just
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  sitting on the track, but agree to be in the video and do such a
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  great job in the video as well. And the whole thing.
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  She's she as you know, she's wonderful.
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  She really is. Yeah, it's I'm so happy there
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  are still videos being made as sometimes it feels like maybe,
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  maybe the time is gone. You know, you don't really get
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  the same kind of budget now you're you kind of get to do
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  them on a shoestring and and that's OK.
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  You can do some great stuff if you've got a good version on it,
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  a creative director, you can do them pretty cheaply.
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  You certainly don't need to spend the obscene amounts of
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  money that were spent on them in the 90s.
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  But we had a clear vision. We shot the video and Lisa lives
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  in Phoenix. We shot the video in Phoenix on
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  her doorstep and an old boxing ring and she was just great.
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  It was just such a great day hanging out with her.
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  We had such a laugh. Yeah, it's it's a, it's a fun
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  clip. I'm gonna link it in the
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  description to everybody can see it.
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  But the other collabs also the other guest appearances are
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  great. And I wanted to ask, is that
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  something where you wrote for them or wrote the whole album
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  and then decided like this song needs somebody else on?
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  It Oh, no, absolutely. You know, the album is written,
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  you know, narcissistically for me, you know, and then it's a
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  question of, wouldn't it be cool?
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  You know, who, you know, who, who, who are the great people
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  that we, that, who are friends that are also amazing artists.
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  Can we get into to, to add some sparkle on some of these songs?
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  And, and, and Billy Duffy's a great friend of myself and
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  Keith's, you know, we hang out together.
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  We're tight. And you know, I've all tried to
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  get Billy in before. It's just he's been on tour.
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  I've been on tour. It just hasn't worked out.
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  But this time everything aligned perfectly and and Billy was able
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  to come down for the day and make his mark on a couple of
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  songs, which was tremendous. And this Charlie star is all
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  Keith. I'm a big fan of Charlie and
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  BlackBerry Smoke, but I didn't know the dude.
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  I've never met him. Keith is great friends with him.
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  And Keith suggested Charlie on the track Rising Grind and sent
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  it. I've not got to know Charlie
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  through texting. I still not meant the dude, but
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  Charlie just did an amazing job. Absolutely honored to have him
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  on there. You know, so it was really,
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  really cool. Tuck Smith, a big fan of the
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  fighters. Tuck's a buddy again, talking
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  about somebody's underrated. He's such an underrated, you
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  know, artist as well. So lovely to have tuck on there.
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  And then Ben Crystal from the Sisters of Mercy.
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  Ben plays in my solar band. So that was a no brainer just to
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  have Ben on there as well. So very blessed to have these
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  people give up their time and, and, and give me their, you
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  know, the great artistry on the songs.
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  Yeah, Billy's another one like you.
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  I don't know if you feel like they're working even more than
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  now than ever. And Keith could fall into that
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  too. And we are big supporters of
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  Tuck and everything, you know, big biters fan as well.
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  But yeah, it's fun. And I think they help, you know,
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  they don't take away. That's the most important thing
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  Whenever you have a guest come on.
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  You know, the add to it and I think that's the beauty of doing
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  the solo record as well. Obviously you're not putting any
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  of the the guys in the band noses out of joint by having a
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  guitar player coming in and stealing your guitar players,
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  you know, spotting the limelight or a vocalist or something.
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  With the solo record, you can just do what the hell you want.
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  You can have who you want on it and, and nobody, nobody's going
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  to say Boo, you know, it's great.
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  So that that was nice. That was nice to be able to do
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  that. Right at the end of the day, it
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  has your name on it and #1. That's it, you know.
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  What's it like? You know, like I said, I alluded
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  to earlier in the chat about Earache, I think you know, it's
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  a, it's an inspired choice. You know, similar to the job
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  market, you don't better your circumstances until you have a
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  period of time somewhere, get some credentials and move on to
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  another place. So, you know, you know, stranger
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  to changing labels and things like that.
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  And you've been with Eric for a second.
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  But you know, it's it's fascinating how some of the
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  older and oldest labels are still alive.
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  And Eric is really now like in terms of the new music that they
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  put out beside their back catalog of all this extreme
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  metal, they do have these amazing rock bands.
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  This is like the thing they're doing now is like these great
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  modern common rock bands. Yeah, they're great.
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  They're great. They're, as you said, you know,
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  you said the best an old school label have been going for over
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  30 years. And Digby Pierce that runs a
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  label, where's his heart and his sleeve and it's very
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  enthusiastic and, and, and really believes in the acts that
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  he works with. And that's great to see.
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  And it feels like an old school label.
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  You know, don't get me wrong, the money's not what it used to
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  be, but Digby's astute enough to realize that, you know, if he
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  wants a great record, you have to pay for the studio time and
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  that kind of thing. And that's lovely.
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  But still have that. They did a great.
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  We did the last Black Star writers record with him.
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  He did a fantastic job of that record.
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  They got it, you know, a top 10 record in the UK and and that
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  was right, you know, during the tail end of the pandemic.
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  So there was no real touring to promote it and all.
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  They did a wonderful job. And for me, when I I heard they
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  were interested in possibly, you know, picking up the the solo
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  record, there was a no brainer. I was like, absolutely.
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  And the promotion and the work they've done thus far has been
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  just fantastic. And it's one of those things
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  later in your career, you need to have those.
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  You know, there aren't as many comforts as you said, or, or the
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  money, but it's important to have those relationships and,
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  and still building trust. Trust is a lot.
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  And especially in this day and age, like you again, you came
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  from the era where vinyl was originally the only medium and
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  then the CD and now vinyl is back, which I'm thrilled.
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  I'm I'm excited. You know, Eric does a marvelous
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  job on their vinyl, by the way, I don't know where it goes.
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  It's. It's phenomenal what they do
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  really is. In addition.
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  Things appeal to me about them as well.
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  You know, yeah, of course the packaging is going to be top
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  notch. In addition to doing these
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  interviews and everything else we do with news with Coast Cult,
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  I have a vinyl podcast and we talk about so how you know what,
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  what brands are doing great work and yeah, void and yeah, Eric,
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  if you get in on any of those re issues for anybody out there
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  that's a long time metal fan and and their new stuff is pressed
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  beautifully, packaged beautifully with care.
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  Like they know vinyl nerds love this label and love these bands
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  and they take care of you. So I will always stand a good
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  label that takes care of their listeners.
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  Yeah, absolutely. They're great, they really are.
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  Absolutely. So you've been beside this
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  record coming out. You've been extremely busy.
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  As you know, before, last time we talked you were like, maybe
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  the Almighty is going to come back now you've done a whole
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  comeback tour and all this other stuff.
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  Besides obviously supporting this new record, is there
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  anything else on the docket for you this year or potentially for
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  the future? You know, the Almighty, we just
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  got back from Japan about 3 weeks ago.
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  We were in the studio last week doing something that's pretty
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  special. It's not a new record, but we've
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  been recording, so that's going to see the light of day quite
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  soon and I'm excited about that really.
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  I'm, you know, about to hit the road with this record on for
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  shows this Saturday and we're out for pretty much all the
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  March in the UK. So, you know, I want to push and
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  promote this record as much as I can this year.
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  And Blacks are Riders isn't finished.
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  We're on a hiatus, but we will be coming back around again at
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  some point. Just keeping busy.
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  You know, the priority for me right now is this record and,
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  and the solo stuff. That's the that's sort of taking
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  over everything. And that's what I really want to
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  focus on. I want to push and we will do
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  some more almighty shows at the end of the year.
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  And yeah, you know it. Just just I'm, I'm keeping busy,
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  staying out of trouble. Nice, that's the best way.
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  I I will say I'm going to have one request.
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  Please make more Christmas music.
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  I am by no means religious, but I love holiday music and I love
• 17:12
  that Christmas song so much. Man, thank.
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  You that really gave me a lift at the end of the year during
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  the bad. Well, you know, thank you.
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  And that's what it was supposed to do.
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  There was no agenda behind that. There was no, you know, I knew
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  it was I knew it was writing a cheesy Chris.
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  I wanted to write a cheesy good time Christmas song.
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  I just wanted to write a song that just made people feel good
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  because I I loved Christmas when I I was a kid.
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  We'd have a lot of money, but the family coming together, that
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  feeling that you got was magical.
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  And and then when my own kids now you're all grown up.
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  I went through all that with them and I've written the the
• 17:43
  the pessimistic dark Christmas song with the almighty detract
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  bandage knees. And I just thought, you know, I
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  want and and I love, you know, Roy Wood wizard.
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  I wish it could be Christmas every day, you know, Fairy tale
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  in New York, The Pogues, obviously, you know, Slade,
• 17:57
  Merry Christmas. And those were songs on my
• 17:58
  youth, and they would just feel good.
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  Rock Christmas anthems. And I thought, you know what,
• 18:03
  I'm just going to write a Christmas song.
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  I don't care. And if it makes somebody smile,
• 18:07
  there you go. It makes me smile.
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  Job done. Make more in the future please.
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  The only the only artist who can make a sad Christmas song sound
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  happy was The Ramones, and I'm not against that either, but I'm
• 18:17
  really. Another great Christmas song.
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  Yeah, Merry Christmas, baby. I don't want to fight.
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  And they had a couple, actually. But yeah, I'd love to get a
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  whole or an EP from you on that because I think it was
• 18:26
  beautifully done. Thank you.
• 18:27
  Thank you very much. Yeah, Ricky, always a pleasure
• 18:30
  to see you, man. I hope you back.
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  We'll get you back when you're done with your home out there in
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  the States at some point and see you on tour and you know again,
• 18:38
  we'll we'll have a coffee together and I love to see you
• 18:42
  again in person like a while back.
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  Just keep keep up the good work and and keep taking care of
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  yourself. Thank you.
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  So. Much you too man, appreciate all
• 18:49
  the support means a lot. Thank you very much.