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- 0:01Welcome to Talking FACS what you need to know about family,
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- 0:24If you are in the job market or maybe thinking about just making some transitions,
- 0:30you might not have considered what artificial intelligence or AI could do for you.
- 0:36Welcome to Talking FACS, where we share research-based information that can
- 0:41help you improve your quality of life.
- 0:43I am your host, Mindy McCulley, Extension Specialist with Family and Consumer
- 0:48Science Extension here at the University of Kentucky.
- 0:51My guest today is Amy Gamblin. Amy is the Associate Director of Alumni Career
- 0:57Services here at the University of Kentucky. Welcome, Amy.
- 1:01Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Well,
- 1:04I'm excited that you're here because I know we've talked about AI in the job
- 1:09search before, and things change almost daily when it comes to artificial intelligence.
- 1:15They sure do, a lot.
- 1:17Let me just start by asking, what is something really new and exciting about
- 1:22AI when you are searching for a job?
- 1:25Well, AI has changed both sides of the hiring process now. Job seekers are using
- 1:32these tools more and more.
- 1:34Employers have more tools that they're ready to be able to use.
- 1:39So what's happening is applying has become much easier.
- 1:42You know, job seekers are using AI to apply to many, many jobs,
- 1:47and they're creating this enormous volume of applications that employers are
- 1:53having to sort through and deal with.
- 1:56So employers are now using AI to manage that.
- 2:00To recruit candidates, to screen out candidates.
- 2:05And so that's something to be aware of if you are a job seeker,
- 2:09is how are employers using this new technology and AI to be able to screen you out?
- 2:15So when I work with my clients, I say just because you can apply to under 200
- 2:22jobs doesn't mean you should apply to that many number of jobs.
- 2:27I'd rather see people be more strategic using AI and making a strong match of
- 2:34where is the best opportunities for me based on my background,
- 2:40my resume, my experience.
- 2:42What are the targets that I should be aiming toward?
- 2:46So there's this common phrase used in our community called spray and pray.
- 2:51I've not been heard of that. But you know, it's where you're applying to all
- 2:56these jobs and everywhere, you know because it's really easy now that AI is
- 3:01here to be able to apply to all of these jobs so don't spray and pray and.
- 3:06Because what you want to do is you want to be very strategic in the jobs that
- 3:10you are applying for. That's going to help your case.
- 3:14It makes me think of a water sprinkler on your lawn.
- 3:17Like if you don't move it around, then you're going to have this very targeted piece of green.
- 3:23Right. Which is kind of what you want in the AI.
- 3:26You don't want your whole yard to be green. You really want that avenue that
- 3:31leads directly to the job that you want.
- 3:33And we also have heard this new term recently called the application arms race.
- 3:38Oh, I can imagine what that is.
- 3:41The application's arms race. And it is true because, again, because that the
- 3:46hiring process has changed in the recent two years since we've been talking
- 3:50about how to use AI in the job search.
- 3:53And what you really do want to be able to do is strengthen your case for your resume.
- 4:00So it is a tremendous tool to use.
- 4:04But what your resume should do now is to make the case of who you are.
- 4:10Almost anyone now can create a polished resume.
- 4:14And so for every claim that you make on your resume, you want to be able to
- 4:19ask yourself, can I prove that I can do this? Can I defend this in an interview?
- 4:27Because sometimes AI makes things up. Yeah.
- 4:30And so you want to be able to use that ethically. Yeah, and I think that's a
- 4:36perfect way to date it. They just, it's sometimes just made up.
- 4:40And maybe it is something that they find, you know, from work that you've done
- 4:46that might be on the website, but it might not be something you really want
- 4:49to highlight. So be careful about that as well, right?
- 4:54Right. Of course, we do want to be very strategic in how we use AI,
- 4:58but what are some ways that AI can really enhance the work that we do as job seekers?
- 5:03I like to consider AI as more of a thinking partner now. Okay.
- 5:08And it is a great tool, but you want to be able to use it ethically,
- 5:13and you also want to still remain human in the process. Sure.
- 5:17And what I think about is, you know, when I first started using, I use ChatGpT.
- 5:23That's my AI tool, of choice.
- 5:25A couple of years ago, I thought, what an awesome tool this is.
- 5:28This is going to be so great to help, you know, with all these different tasks that I have.
- 5:34And what I've started to do recently is just take a step back and say,
- 5:38okay, Amy, use your brain first. Think first for yourself.
- 5:44So that's the human component, too. before you put any, give any cadence to
- 5:50what AI is going to give you, think first for yourself.
- 5:53Right. So that being said, once I've done that, and that's what I tell my clients,
- 5:59don't think for yourself first.
- 6:01But then use it for, you know, researching companies, you know,
- 6:05that you're interested in.
- 6:07Look at your resume. Where can you make a stronger case in your resume for a
- 6:12particular job that you're interested in?
- 6:15It's really good for things like that. Now, rewriting your resume, I do caution.
- 6:20You know, so you don't want to use AI to rewrite your resume.
- 6:25You want to use it to help you brainstorm for how you can write your resume.
- 6:31So all of those things are the same. But, again, I caution people now to really
- 6:38use their own voice, their authentic voice.
- 6:42Because what happens is AI will want to please you.
- 6:47Right. So no matter what you put in there, it's going to want to please you.
- 6:50So you have to push back and say, challenge me in this area.
- 6:55You know, I want to be challenged on where my skill gaps are, for example. Right.
- 6:59Or my resume in this job that I'm really interested in. Challenge me on these things so I can learn.
- 7:06And then use your voice to be able to translate that.
- 7:11And that, I think, is important, you know, no matter how you're using AI,
- 7:16that you use your own voice because that hand, AI voice, always comes through.
- 7:24And now we know things to look for when we're seeing resumes or CVs or whatever.
- 7:32Yeah, people, recruiters and employers can spot AI a mile away,
- 7:37you know, because there are certain words that AI loves to use,
- 7:41especially in resumes, things like strategic thinker or results-driven professional.
- 7:49So be cautious of the AI language and, again, use your own voice.
- 7:55Is this how I would say it?
- 7:57And if not, you know, rewrite that for yourself. And it's unfortunate for those
- 8:02people who might be using results-driven, you know, professional normally.
- 8:08And now it's like, oh, well, I can't use that anymore.
- 8:12Yeah, that's been a conversation, too, in our community as well.
- 8:16Well, I would write that way. Now I'm being flagged for it.
- 8:20And so that's something that you want to be aware of,
- 8:24you know, if that's, you know, especially if you're being strategic in your
- 8:28job search, if it does sound like AI and it may be a red flag for the recruiter,
- 8:34employer, then rewrite it a different way.
- 8:39Well, and that's, I guess, another place where you can take what you've already
- 8:43written and feed it in and say, does this sound authentic almost, right?
- 8:48Yes, you actually can. You can actually input that in a prompt.
- 8:53Get rid of the AI language.
- 8:56And it will. It knows exactly what that means, you know, for ChatGBT at least.
- 9:01You know, I don't want AI language in here.
- 9:04And what also is helpful, before you even use any prompts in an AI tool,
- 9:10is to submit to whatever tool that you use your own written communication.
- 9:18This is something that I've written. This is how I normally write.
- 9:22Use my communication style for the prompts that I'm going to be asking you.
- 9:27Use my communication style for those answers.
- 9:30So that helps a little bit.
- 9:33But then after you have it all, you can actually say, get rid of the AI language
- 9:37in this resume that you've given me or these props.
- 9:41Yeah, perfect. Yeah.
- 9:43And I do love that. You know, I will look at your resume and say,
- 9:48here, let me rewrite this paragraph.
- 9:50No, I like that paragraph. Leave it alone.
- 9:53And it's always good to ask for different options. So, for example,
- 9:59if you're working with a, if you want to do a profile statement in your resume,
- 10:05prompt it to give you five options. That way you can pick and choose the language
- 10:10that you like that's more comfortable for you instead of using,
- 10:14you know, the first one it gives you. Right.
- 10:17I think it's pretty much a given that people are using AI in the job search,
- 10:21but how important is it to report that?
- 10:24Yeah, and that's a great question. Employers know that job seekers are using
- 10:30AI. That's not a problem, you know, because they're using AI as well.
- 10:35So it's not a problem to use AI.
- 10:39And I don't even think that they would even ask because they pretty much assume that most people are.
- 10:45Where the ethical, you know, challenge comes into play is again,
- 10:49if you have something on your resume or your cover letter that you can't back
- 10:53up or defend, then that's the challenge.
- 10:57You don't want to be that next big news story, right?
- 11:01The current trend now is what employers are doing is,
- 11:06more of skills-based you know verification because they don't sometimes believe
- 11:12what is in their resume is accurate or true or,
- 11:16so they are looking more for like portfolios or projects that you've done or,
- 11:22so you want to have more of that in your resume, that skills-based,
- 11:26verification. Okay.
- 11:28So, you know, have an infographic or a spreadsheet of things that you have done
- 11:34and measure. Or have it available like in an interview to say,
- 11:38this is a verification of my skills that were in my resume. I love that.
- 11:43So, Amy, what other tips do you have when it comes to using AI in the job search?
- 11:49Well, this is a big And it's really shifted within the past few months.
- 11:55It used to be that you would want in your skill list, you know,
- 12:00if you were talking about your core competencies or your key skills,
- 12:03to have something about AI listed in that skill list.
- 12:07We're getting beyond the point of simply putting in ChatGPT as a skill or,
- 12:12you know, a next little skill, because that's not particularly impressive anymore.
- 12:17What I think employers are increasingly interested in is what can you do better
- 12:24because you know how to use AI?
- 12:26Okay. Can you research something faster? Can you analyze information more effectively?
- 12:32So you want to have that in your responsibilities of how you've used AI to do these things.
- 12:39So it's no longer, you know, helpful as much to just list it as a skill.
- 12:44You want to show it within your job responsibilities. I've used ChatGPT to do market information.
- 12:51Okay. So that's what employers are now looking for.
- 12:54So what I encourage my clients to think about is what I call an AI competency story.
- 13:02You know, so don't just tell me I know how to use ChatGPT. Tell me about a problem
- 13:06that you had, how you used AI as part of solving that problem,
- 13:12what you contributed to that, and what happened as a result.
- 13:16So that's a big area now that employers are looking for. So that's something new.
- 13:22So we hear on the news and in various places about the propensity of AI to take over.
- 13:31How do we safeguard against that?
- 13:34So in terms of how we can safeguard against AI in the job search,
- 13:39which is the lane that I'm in, is you think about, again, using it as a thinking partner,
- 13:46as a brainstorming partner for yourself when you're doing your job search,
- 13:51whether it's resume or interview,
- 13:54researching.
- 13:55And I like to think about AI in the job search as a traffic light.
- 13:59So you have green, yellow, red. So green is a go.
- 14:04Use it freely for researching companies, again, comparing opportunities,
- 14:10maybe organizing your job search, generating some interview questions, things like that.
- 14:17So these are wonderful uses of AI in the job search Yellow means proceed carefully,
- 14:24So when you're asking it to help you with your resume or your cover letter or LinkedIn.
- 14:31Absolutely let it help you with that But don't copy and paste what it gives you,
- 14:37Read it, challenge it, rewrite it You know, make sure it's accurate and most
- 14:43importantly, make sure it sounds like you in your own authentic voice.
- 14:48And then there's red, which is no-go.
- 14:52So never use AI to fabricate like an accomplishment or experience that you may have had.
- 14:59So don't use it to, you know, say something about your experiences that you didn't have.
- 15:05So that's a rad no-go. And so easy to remember because it's around,
- 15:11it's here, we're using it, everybody's using it, and we need to have some parameters
- 15:17for how we actually use it.
- 15:20Before we wrap up, Amy, any last thoughts?
- 15:22I would say that an important lesson to remember as well is as more people are using AI.
- 15:30The importance of networking is very strong because employers are skeptical,
- 15:38of what they're seeing on their resume.
- 15:40So if you have that networking opportunity where you can meet with people and
- 15:45explain your experiences in a conversation with them, they get to know you.
- 15:50Networking, networking, networking is going to become even more relevant in
- 15:55the job search because of AI.
- 15:58So I would keep that in the front of your mind of connecting with people that
- 16:04you know, seeking out opportunities for networking.
- 16:08And it's oftentimes that it's not the person that you know, but it's the second
- 16:12or third person of the people that you know that can bring opportunities.
- 16:17So I think that's going to be, you're going to see that more and more being
- 16:21important in the job search because of the skepticism, you know,
- 16:25of AI now in the job search.
- 16:27So that's what I would recommend to keep that link or the networking opportunities close and forefront.
- 16:34I think that's great advice. Amy, thanks so much for your time.
- 16:39Yeah, it was great to be here. Thank you, Mindy. We always learn new things
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