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My Favorite Conspiracy: Bigfoot · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Winter insurance did I'm true, I'm a checktut with insurance.
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  Speaker 2: Good actrue than is the middle week.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 3: Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host this week. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: my favorite co host of all No co host, but
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  Speaker 3: I do have a couple of guests, case in point
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  Speaker 3: Zach Johnston's here. How's it going?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 2: Going as welcome be expected? I uh, I'm excited to
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  Speaker 2: talk about Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, who's not doing great? I don't even know why.
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  Speaker 3: I ask how people are doing any We're all doing wonderful.
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  Speaker 3: Also joining us, Hannah Michaels is here.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm doing very same. I was very glad to
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  Speaker 1: be having strong feelings about Bigfoot last night instead of
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  Speaker 1: anything else in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Did something happen last night that we should have strong
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  Speaker 3: feelings about?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Probably, And here's the thing, this could go out any
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  Speaker 3: day in the answer would be yes, something happened, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: exactly last night that was strong feelings about. So we're
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  Speaker 3: doing a my favorite conspiracy episode. If the people at
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  Speaker 3: home have never heard one of these, it just means
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  Speaker 3: one of the guests brought a conspiracy that they don't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily believe. But maybe and I you can guess who
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  Speaker 3: it is. It's Zach, who may or may not be
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  Speaker 3: of the belief that Bigfoot is real. And I'm excited
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  Speaker 3: to do this because on a different podcast, I believe
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  Speaker 3: it was pretty scary, but it might have been conspiracy.
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  Speaker 3: The show Me and Hannah have done an episode about Bigfoot,
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  Speaker 3: and Hannah is not a believer. I would I think
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  Speaker 3: that's safe to.
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  Speaker 1: Say physical being a Bigfoot.
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  Speaker 3: No interesting, for God interesting, it's.
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  Speaker 1: A I think it would be cocky of me to
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  Speaker 1: say that something doesn't exist spiritually if it's not a
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  Speaker 1: culture that I come from, or it's not an experience
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  Speaker 1: I have. I think that's not necessarily for me to argue.
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  Speaker 1: But I would say in terms of like a physical,
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  Speaker 1: flesh and blood creature, I just don't think we have
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  Speaker 1: enough evidence that is concrete and consistent. Consistent is the amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here to change your mind. Great.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to be wrong on this. For the record,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Fox Smulder. I want to believe. Actually I'm probably
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  Speaker 1: going to be the Scully of this episode, but I.
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  Speaker 3: Want Bigfoot to be real for sure. Oh yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: it's just cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's a fun thing as well.
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  Speaker 2: Like I want to preface this by saying, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to come at it tacking out all the extraterrestrial teleportation,
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  Speaker 2: time traveling, sort of like crazy shit that's been put
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  Speaker 2: on Bigfoot in the History channel era and focus more
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  Speaker 2: on the actual myths that predate colonialism and also sort
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  Speaker 2: of the idea of you know, things live in the
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  Speaker 2: forest that we don't know about still to this day,
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  Speaker 2: and one of them, maybe, I believe, maybe a Bigfoot,
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  Speaker 2: I guess sort of. For me, coming from an indigenous
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  Speaker 2: culture and growing up in the Pacific Northwest, Sasquatch was
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  Speaker 2: a massive part of our culture. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: much time you guys are spent up in like the Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: Vancouver Portland area, but you know, things are named after Bigfoot,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, convenience stores and beer brands, and you
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  Speaker 2: see carvings of Bigfoot everywhere. You see it all over
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  Speaker 2: Indigenous Salish arts, and you know there's of course myths
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  Speaker 2: and stories and blah blah blah, but it's beyond that
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  Speaker 2: because that existed before you know, the modern era. The
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  Speaker 2: idea of a Bigfoot or a forest man or being
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  Speaker 2: a forest entity goes back, you know, deep deep into mythology,
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  Speaker 2: and for me, when you look at it and you
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  Speaker 2: sort of look at the Pacific rim cultures, you know,
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  Speaker 2: from Australia to Japan, to Siberia to you know, Alaska,
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  Speaker 2: himlays blah blah blah, they all have a similar mythos
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  Speaker 2: around a bigfoot or forest man or woman that is
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  Speaker 2: either sort of like an ape like creature or like
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  Speaker 2: a mythical sort of like trickster. They're going to fuck
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  Speaker 2: you up if you go near them sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Yeahwe in Australia, Yetti and the mlay As,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the Sasquatch obviously in the Pacific Northwest, the Windingo, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend I know the mythos of
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  Speaker 2: all of them. I'm going to focus mostly on the
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  Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest. That's where I'm from and grew up with.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's sort of it's a interesting
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  Speaker 2: thing in that I do coming from an oral tradition background,
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  Speaker 2: coming from shamanism in the Pacific Northwest and the Tauana people,
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  Speaker 2: which are based on what's now the Hook Canal and
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  Speaker 2: the Olympic Peninsula and western Washington. Oral traditions for us
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  Speaker 2: are yes part myth. As an example, there's a wonderful
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  Speaker 2: book called Tawana Narratives by William Elmandorf, which talks a
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  Speaker 2: lot about our shamanic and oral traditions and also our
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  Speaker 2: regular cultural traditions. It's a very dry read unless you're
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  Speaker 2: an anthropologist. But part of the sort of beauty of
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  Speaker 2: the book is like a shaman would go out when
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  Speaker 2: when they were healing somebody, they would go out and
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  Speaker 2: they diagnose them and be like, oh, I need to
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  Speaker 2: go talk to the beaver to figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: heal this person from whatever ailment they had. And it's
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  Speaker 2: very clear, like they're not going out and talking to
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  Speaker 2: a beaver, they're channeling the energy and the sort of
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  Speaker 2: mythology of that species of that animal the path to
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  Speaker 2: the ailment.
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  Speaker 4: Like that's disappointing, but you know it's you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: allegorical text, right, Yeah, In all things I guess, whether
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  Speaker 4: it's the Bible or whether it's shamanism in Tibet, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's usually allegorical.
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  Speaker 2: And I find that even in that when there's a
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  Speaker 2: universal sort of myth. There's some basis in truth somewhere
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  Speaker 2: in that universal myth, you know, the flood myths that
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  Speaker 2: everybody has that you can always sort of sort of
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  Speaker 2: find an archaeological moment where reflected happened, and so on
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  Speaker 2: and so forth. And I feel through our oral traditions
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  Speaker 2: that all these myths wouldn't be so prevalent and so
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  Speaker 2: cornerstone to our cultures if there wasn't a shred of
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  Speaker 2: truth to them. Yeah, that's my opening salvo, and I
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  Speaker 2: will sit down and take it.
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  Speaker 1: I completely agree.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I would say one of the reasons I agree
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  Speaker 3: is history is littered with things that have gone extinct
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  Speaker 3: that are way wilder than any bigfoot. We used to
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  Speaker 3: just be filthy with car sized birds.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Can you imagine going to a baseball games.
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  Speaker 1: The war against EMUs?
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  Speaker 3: Like yeah, right right, Like I just went to the
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  Speaker 3: LaBrea tar pits not too long ago. The things they
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  Speaker 3: pulled out of those tar pits fucking wild. Yeah, it's yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For me, it's more about just how many of these
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  Speaker 1: stories hit the same points, and how many of them
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  Speaker 1: could have been carried over from different parts of Asia
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  Speaker 1: to the Americas and could be a more distant memory
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  Speaker 1: versus could be something in the Pacific Northwest.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, I think it's both your points are valid
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  Speaker 2: in that I kind of feel like that's part of
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  Speaker 2: the overarching story or the overarching I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: say history because history feels too like actually like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: history has to be this, that and the other, just
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  Speaker 2: like I don't know enough bad zoology to talk at
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  Speaker 2: depth about what a like humanoid disc could be because
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  Speaker 2: I simply don't have that knowledge base. But I do believe,
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  Speaker 2: like if I'm looking at it from the oral histories
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  Speaker 2: of my part of the world. One very important thing
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  Speaker 2: is the translation of the words that we use when
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  Speaker 2: we talk about a bigfoot. For instance, we use the
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  Speaker 2: word skokum, which was sort of a word that meant
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  Speaker 2: monster or strong back in the day. Depending on context.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, we still use scokem. It's a shot sort
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  Speaker 2: of jargon word as an adjective strong with like other words,
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  Speaker 2: so like skookum chuck means strong water. But if you
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  Speaker 2: use skokum as in you saw something weird and monstrous
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  Speaker 2: in the woods that was chasing you, it would have
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  Speaker 2: meant a monster or a strong man. So likewise, with
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  Speaker 2: Sasquatch and skowwall stick Indians, it's always like a forest person,
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  Speaker 2: a forest woman, a forest man. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: important to delineate for my wider point, which I'll get
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  Speaker 2: to in a moment. But the whole eight aspect kind
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  Speaker 2: of comes in later, I would say, more in the
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  Speaker 2: when the Americans show up in the eighteen fifties, eighteen
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  Speaker 2: forties and you know, bring in a lot of let's
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  Speaker 2: think out.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about Patterson Gimlin, no, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's who I really get. That's what I
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  Speaker 1: really have rage for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to completely like delete that because there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of barmingham Bailey Ripley's believe it or not bullshit,
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  Speaker 2: or they're making shit up just to you know, sell
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  Speaker 2: at the train station, to sell postcards or whatever. But
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  Speaker 2: when you look at these myths, even if you look
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  Speaker 2: at the way it's talked about, like the Yowie's talked
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  Speaker 2: about or the yett He's talked about, it's not always
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  Speaker 2: necessary or when Digo especially, it's not always necessarily an eight.
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  Speaker 2: It's more of a human that's feral, or a group
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  Speaker 2: of people that are sort of feral, so like the
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  Speaker 2: stick Indian idea, which is a very sort of falish thing.
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  Speaker 2: They're tricksters, and it's the sort of thing where it
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  Speaker 2: is a form of sasquatch or form of bigfoot, but
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  Speaker 2: they live in the forest. They want to be left alone.
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  Speaker 2: They're actually smaller, not bigger in size, and if you're
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  Speaker 2: a good person, they can tell that and they'll help
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  Speaker 2: you if you get lost or you know, you're starving
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  Speaker 2: or something like that. But if you're a bad person,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to fuck you up and they're going to
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  Speaker 2: get violent on your ass, and they're going to lead
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  Speaker 2: you deeper into the forest until you do start to
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  Speaker 2: death or die. Which is one of those things where
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  Speaker 2: I kind of dig because it's like it's on you
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  Speaker 2: of how the encounter happens.
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  Speaker 3: Which that's not unlike encountering any animal in the forest.
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  Speaker 3: It in a lot of way unless you get like yeah,
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  Speaker 3: or a human yeah, but like unless you get like
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  Speaker 3: a mountain lion that's just determined to attack somebody. Like
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  Speaker 3: how you handle coming into contact with pretty much any
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  Speaker 3: animal is going to go a long way toward whether
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  Speaker 3: that animal slices your jugular vein open or not great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's still like if you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: really I'm not trying to talk for everybody in my nation.
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  Speaker 2: I'm from Cocoa Machindian Reservation, but we tend to still
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  Speaker 2: believe in stick Indians. And so when you go in
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  Speaker 2: the woods and you fuck around, and I've spent an
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  Speaker 2: enordon amount of time in those woods and the Olympic Mountains,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's weird up there because there's no roads
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  Speaker 2: through the Olympic National Park. There's no real it's all
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  Speaker 2: really really dense, dense forest and alpine meadows and blah
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  Speaker 2: blah blah, and it's weird. Sometimes sometimes you kind of
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  Speaker 2: you get a weird energy, you get a weird feeling.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, you know what, I'm going to turn around
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  Speaker 2: and go the other way, and in our sort of
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  Speaker 2: half joking sense, will say, hey, there must be a
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  Speaker 2: stick in mean over there. Let's take another route to
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  Speaker 2: this day. And so this is so I guess to
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  Speaker 2: my first point is this is something that's still very
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  Speaker 2: present in our tradition that you know, not that we
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  Speaker 2: think that it is a visible ape in the forest
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  Speaker 2: that's going to attack us if we have an evil soul,
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  Speaker 2: but more and just like, hey, let's not fuck around
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  Speaker 2: in a place that feels weird.
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  Speaker 3: The ocean needs one of these. There needs to be
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  Speaker 3: an ocean creature that tells us, hey, stay out, sailure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are plenty of those.
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  Speaker 3: I mean sharks, sure, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I was I was going to go dolphins, sharks.
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  Speaker 3: Not that bad.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say colossal squids, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, also humboldt squids.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say microplastics. Yeah, oh yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 3: Like Zach in the notes about stick Indians, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: noticing this. There's a word that we're absolutely not going
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  Speaker 3: to say because it says Adam. If you use this word,
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  Speaker 3: you'll have to bleep it out, as it is believed
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  Speaker 3: that saying their name invokes their wrath. Sorry, people at home,
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  Speaker 3: you're never going to know that word. Try googling it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to say it.
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  Speaker 2: It is a very very deep belief, to the point
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  Speaker 2: where like your grandma would slap the food out of
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  Speaker 2: your mouth if you said it sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, how I cut you off? Go ahead?
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  Speaker 1: Oh I I I don't know. I might have just
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  Speaker 1: talked about dolphins being you know, predators.
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  Speaker 3: Well, now I cut Zack off. I don't know, let's
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  Speaker 3: just say a word. We deserve it.
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  Speaker 2: We'll just bring down the wrath at the sticking means
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  Speaker 2: It's okay. I think this is the beginning of a
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  Speaker 2: really good horror movie. Guys. I think we should take
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  Speaker 2: us take a moment, bust out of treatment, maybe do
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  Speaker 2: the first you know, like ten fifteen pages, and then
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  Speaker 2: come back and see see where we are.
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  Speaker 3: Also, Zach, there's something behind you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I get to get us back on track.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of like, you know, the idea of like
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  Speaker 2: the Sasquatch, the stick, Indians, the scope. It's you know,
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  Speaker 2: all these different things. And there's what I think is
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  Speaker 2: also left out, which is sort of annoying, is like
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  Speaker 2: this is like it's always fucking presented in Western sort
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  Speaker 2: of colonial American culture as a sasquatch, who's this big, bulking,
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  Speaker 2: male coated sort of thing. And if you look at
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the old pre colonial artwork, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: on totem poles or long houses, it's more obviously familial,
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  Speaker 2: but there's also women, so as a nukuak, which is
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  Speaker 2: a Salish word for the wild women of the forest.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of times when you make a totem pole,
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  Speaker 2: it would be if you're pissed off at somebody else,
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  Speaker 2: or if you wanted to curse somebody else, or if
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  Speaker 2: like somebody else slided you or something like that. So
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  Speaker 2: you make a totem pool, you put all these sort
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  Speaker 2: of curses and evil things on it, and you point
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  Speaker 2: that totem pole at that person's house. And so there
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  Speaker 2: are examples of the wild women of the forest on
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  Speaker 2: totem poles at the top, because basically that would call
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  Speaker 2: the wild woman the forest out to go and eat
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  Speaker 2: that person or fuck that person's life up.
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  Speaker 3: Nice yeah, girl power.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And obviously again you know we're I hate to
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  Speaker 2: use a very instagramy term, but we're talking vibes here
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  Speaker 2: more or less, because the vibes says, hey, you fuck
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  Speaker 2: me over. I put up a total pool that shows
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  Speaker 2: you fucked me over. So why do you come and
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  Speaker 2: apologize and get me my do and we'll be okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take the totem pole down and everything will be fine. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Does that ever turn into like a totem pole negotiation
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  Speaker 3: where the other person builds their own and it's like no, actually.
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  Speaker 2: This yeah, yeah, I mean if you go up to
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  Speaker 2: Vancouver Island, there are still some left where you can
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  Speaker 2: see decades long arguments between people, between families, between just
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  Speaker 2: like and like I again, I'm you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: take very this is very blanket because I haven't been
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  Speaker 2: there in a long time and only vaguely remember bullet points.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like over the pettiest shit too, like you
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  Speaker 2: didn't pay enough for the daughter's dowry during her wedding party,
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  Speaker 2: so fuck you, you cheap skate. It's like I paid enough.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck you you you over demanding, prick like shit like
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  Speaker 2: that in totem forms awesome. I think obviously totems were
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  Speaker 2: used for other things as well. I'm not trying to,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, I'm not trying to put a blanket,
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  Speaker 2: you know, description over these things. But Sasquatch, Dzunqua, like
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  Speaker 2: sco com sticket, they all show up in this artwork.
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  Speaker 2: So it's something that's been around for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: It's something that's been maybe used as a threat more
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  Speaker 2: than something that's real. I tend to think that there's
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  Speaker 2: a reality there, just in the fact that you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you look at indigenous cultures, especially in the Americas
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  Speaker 2: after what happened in the fifteen and sixteen hundreds with
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  Speaker 2: the population crash of up to ninety five percent, of
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  Speaker 2: these cultures were just completely wiped out in one hundred
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  Speaker 2: years through disease.
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  Speaker 1: So people losing their whole families and histories and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Everything, but also their infrastructure, right, like you know, the
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  Speaker 2: whole idea of like the Great Plains, you know, Indian
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  Speaker 2: on the horse hunter gatherer. That's because it was mad
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  Speaker 2: max times when the Americans showed up in the eighteen hundreds.
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  Speaker 2: For those people, like their cultures had been wiped out
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  Speaker 2: through disease. You know, Adam, you may have actually been
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  Speaker 2: at this place in Illinois, Kahoka, which is down by
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  Speaker 2: Saint Louis, which was this big city of like twenty
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  Speaker 2: thousand people that was at the time bigger than London
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  Speaker 2: and Paris, and you know of the like different mounds.
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  Speaker 2: It's in a South Illinois section of like just cities
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  Speaker 2: that existed.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds familiar, It sounds field trippy, like that's that's something
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  Speaker 3: I would have gone on a school field trip too.
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  Speaker 2: And it's the sort of thing where like that's the
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  Speaker 2: continent was covered in cities with intricate trade systems and
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  Speaker 2: routes and blah blah blah. For instance, from the Pacific Northwest,
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  Speaker 2: there's this thing called the grease trail because we took oolong,
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  Speaker 2: which is it's that small oily fish not spelt, maybe spelt,
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  Speaker 2: but we would make basically fish sauce and fish oil
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  Speaker 2: out of it and traded across all of North and
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  Speaker 2: South America. And so there are these grease trails coming
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: from the Pacific Northwest out into the Americas. And so
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: there's all and that all collapsed, right, And so when
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: a culture collapsed like that, people tend to disperse. And
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: if you're nearing a place as wilderness dense as say
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: the Olympic Mountains of the Cascade Mountains, the Rocky Mountains,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: you know, going up into the boreal forests of Canada
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and Alaska, two hundred years later, there's going to be
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: some weird fucking people living in the woods. Man. And
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: that's where my sort of Bigfoot is real comes in,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: because I'm coming at it from well, you're mistranslating it
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: to an ape when it's all these are men and
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: women like it's there in the name if you translate
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: it correctly, and we know feral people and feral communities
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: have existed through time across the world. Like that's I
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: don't think questionable. And I would argue there were probably
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: a lot more feral people, especially coming out of indigenous
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: cultures after that collapse by the time Americans show up
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: in the eighteen hundreds into the nineteen hundreds, that were
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: probably still pretty detached from anything surviving in the woods
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: for generations.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Along those lines. I just this is a thing that
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: just happened. I had to google it to make sure.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: It was February thirteenth, twenty twenty five. A man from
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: an uncontacted indigenous tribe just like came out of the
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: forest and like interacted with people, and they think he
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: was asking for fire. They tried to show him how
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: to use a lighter in it like he couldn't figure
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: it out, and then he just like went back. But
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: it's like a thing where it was somewhere along the
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Amazon River. It was in Brazil.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of lite of groups exist around there.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they just the government just like leaves them
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: alone if they come into Some of them want to
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: be left alone. Yeah, Like they ask for help. They help.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And let's let's face it, if you want to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: be left alone, you can probably be left alone in
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: the forest.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah. I feel like my entire day of research
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: has been destroyed because it was about the Western concept
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of an ape man and all of the different hoaxes.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like I couldn't easily believe this version, and
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: this version makes a lot of sense to me.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to help you out here because I'm not
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: going to spoil the end, but I'm going to get there.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's worth pointing out because I mean, I
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: think Adam, and I think why I thought of this,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: because I think you and I were talking about this
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: once and how people often dismiss this idea because as humans,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: we know everything and seeing everything, and there's no way
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: there's anything hiding from us. Yeah, And it's like have
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: you seen the woods? That's always bring it back to the
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Olympic National Park, But that's where I grew up, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I know it's the best. It does not have a
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: road through it. It's one of the only national parks
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: on the planet that doesn't have a road through it,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: and the only one in the United States that does
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: not have a road through it. Even the ones in
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Alaska have roads through them, which is kind of crazy
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: because that means you have to hike in, and that
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: means there's a limited number of trails, which also that
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: means massively less people are going into that park because
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: you can't just drive through it. And so according to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the National Park website, ninety five percent of Olympic National
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Park is basically untouched wilderness. Only five percent of the
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: park is really interacted with humans. That's a lot of woods,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and it's thick temperate rainforest and alpine and you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: regular forest and coastline and you know, so much just
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: thick old forest that you know, you're talking about a
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: million acres and ninety five percent of it is basically untouched.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: And also, I know, vastly different in size. But I
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: went to Costa Rica last year and one of the
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: things I wanted to do was see a sloth. And
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: here's a thing one does not simply see a sloth.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: You can go to these like it's just a tourist
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: attraction where it's just rainforest and there's a ton of
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: sloths living there, but you have the option to take
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: a guided tour where someone when they spot one will
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: set up like a little camera you can look at,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: or you can just be the one soul, white American
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: lady who was there at the same time on our
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: tour who was just like, fuck it, I just want
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: to go walk in and look for one myself. You
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: will never see a sloth that way unless it dies
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: and falls out of the tree in front of you.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Those things are way up there. They don't fucking move.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: They blend in because they're gonna get eaten if someone
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: sees them.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're usually covered in moss.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's completely possible to be in the forest
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: and not see an animal. And I get that, like
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: a bigfoot would be bigger, but sure, it's completely possible
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: that there's stuff out there that we haven't seen. It
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to be bigfoot. It could be something cooler,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: be bigfoot with guns.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: It could easily be something cooler. I mean, we do
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: have untouched. I don't know if that means no TRAILCNS,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: no environmental DNA being taken. I don't know what that
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: means necessarily in terms of no people there, but maybe
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: there's some research going on. I don't know, or it
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: could just be untouched untouched.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very kind of soft definition. I couldn't
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: really find a real like hard definition for it for untouched.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's very possible there are species that
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: we haven't heard of. I just the modern day accounts
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of what we would call it bigfoot are so desperate,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and so many of them have turned out to be hoaxes.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I just don't have enough to believe in a bigfoot
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: specifically so much as yeah, there's probably some undiscovered cool
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: ass shit out there.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: The one thing that comes to mind when Hannah mentions
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: trail cams and places where people are doing research the
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: giant squid. People are down there in the ocean doing
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: research where that thing is, and that's why we see
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: it sometimes, Like we see a giant squid like once
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: every couple years, maybe.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, usually when they're sick and they come up to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the surface. We don't normally.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And we went a long time as a people
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: without like I think at one point we thought they
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: were a myth or extinct and then oh yeah, we
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: just caught one on a camera someday, So maybe maybe
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: that's how it'll happen, and then we'll all be like furk.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I'm more skeptical of like myths that emerged within the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: sphere of modern media.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Sure, I'm more likely to believe in a giant squid
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: than a NeSSI.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: So like non citizen voting. You mean, that's one.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: No, And I'm with you on that. And this is
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: maybe this is my dad's political and it is coming
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: out in me. But I almost find it insulting. A
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: lot of the Bigfoot myth and media of the last
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: fifty sixty years, especially the advent of the History channel
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: culture of it all. Yeah, and you know, I don't
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: want to get into the obvious racism behind it and
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the you know, the sort of just regardless and that
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: all is sort of like hey, let's you know, make
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: up some stories and like make some money off some rubs. Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I'm happy to be the one to yell that inchin
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Aliens is very racist.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, We've talked about that a bunch on this podcast.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: That's white supremacist nonsense.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot of like like I said at
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the top, like the whole like oh, it's interdonventional and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: time traveling. It's like what do you shut up? Like
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? There are cool things about
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: this culture. There are cool things about the idea of
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a wild forest woman and a stick man that's gonna,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: you know, fuck your shit up if you're a piece
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of shit. And there's also some amazing things that I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: think we don't think about in way that people came
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: to the America's over the course of what is now
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: at least twenty thousand years and maybe more given you
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: know how that archaeological record has shifted over the last
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: couple decades. But one of the crazy things for me
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: is there's a piece of me that wants to believe
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: it is actually not just a feral person. There's a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: piece of me that really does let me say, there's
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: a twenty five percent piece of me that does believe
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: it is an undiscovered humanoid ape that is I guess
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: extant to the Americas or North America especially. One thing
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that sort of blew my mind is, I mean, Adam,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: you were just down in Costa Rica. You must have
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: seen some monkeys, yes, but the way monkeys, theoretically, they
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: believe monkeys got to the America's about thirty million years
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: ago on by floating on you know, natural rafts. That
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: to me is kind of mind boed like kind of
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: mind boggly, right, Like, you know, accidentally they got here,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: is what they're saying. So if monkeys accidentally got here
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: thirty million years ago, and obviously that's enough time to
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: evolve into an American you know, subset of species, it's
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: not crazy to me that apes could have gotten here
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: a couple hundred thousand years ago from Asia where they existed.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: You know, we have Gigantropithecus, which was a live two
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand years ago. You know, there's tons of archaeological evidence.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's like two thousand bones and teeth they
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: found in South China or something. Oh yeah, and it's
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a big fucking bigfoot. If you were describing Bigfoot, it
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: would be that giant yeah, yeah. And it's the sort
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: of thing where like, well maybe that came over too.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And you know, you know a big part of the
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: new theory of the population of the Americas is the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Kelp trail, right, Like, people came over via the water
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and followed the Kelp down and you know, helped populate
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the Americas that way and then came over during you know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the the ice age gap, and that's you know, back
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and forth, back and forth. Yeah, later tracks. And you
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: know all the bison in Europe are from the Americas,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: from them going the other way, you know there are
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: cats in Africa that are from the Americas. Yeah, exactly.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: So there's so much back and forth. Why not an ape?
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: And again I'm not saying that I believe this fullheartedly,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: but I'm also like, but why the fuck not? Like,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: why would we say for sure that maybe something did
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: come over here and maybe now it is extinct and
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: we're never going to know because it's you know, lived
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: in a rainforest that you're just not going to get
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: any archaeological evidence from. But maybe it did survive too
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: because it was distant. And so for me, there is
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: that twenty five percent of me that believes it is
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the Bigfoot of Bigfoot fame lack of a better term.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: And it to me, I've said this before, it would
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: make sense to me that if there was something like
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: that in a forest that's mostly unexplored, it would have
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: had to have I don't think evolved is the right word,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: but at least picked up on the fact that, well,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: if anything's gonna kill me, it's gonna be a human.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Those motherfuckers got guns, they got cameras, they're making TV
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: shows about me. So I'm just going to stay as
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: deep in the forest and as far away from people
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: as I can.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Because are the known interactions with hominids that we have.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: We fucked them, true, very true.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we could have also killed them sometimes, but it
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: seems like we had enough of a relationship that, you know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: two different hominids have their DNA in modern humans. Yeah,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: we could have loved them.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe we did at some point, and maybe they're alive
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: now still and they're just like fuck.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: People where I mean, I would empathize with that. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: just don't think we have the modern evidence of it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I would say it's fully possible that they were hominids
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: here at some point. We just don't have fossils yet.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's sort of it's kind of the uh,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I guess the catch twenty two of where the fossils
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: would be, we're never gonna get, you.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean, but right because it's not the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: right environment.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's sort of you know, I believe
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it in my heart, you know, but so I guess
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: my I sort of coup de gras and I'll lead
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: into this, you know, Like I said, a lot of
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: it is the mistranslation of these words. And it's also
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: true of if you look at the word orang utang,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: which is, you know, obviously one of the great apes
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: o rangus person hutane is of the forest. It's a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: forest person. Literally, thats of translates to I was always
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: interested in that because again it's a person. It's looked
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: at as a not so much a different species, but
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: something that's on the same level as us through the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: tradition of their culture and the way they chose to
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: talk about that particular species in the same way that
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: we chose in the Pacific Northwestern Stalish language is to
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: talk about the art analogue of that right, And so
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I feel there's this connection to it being considered a
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: person but maybe not or being considered a humanoid. And
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: then the indigenous culture is just not having the word
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: humanoid because that's you know, a modern taxonomical term to
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: call them that. So they called it a person or
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: a man or a woman. My point being is my uncle,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: who is a big hunter. We were all we all
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: hunted in the Olympics. My dad and my uncle I
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: spent the most time with and my uncle is a
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: true believer, like he believes in Big Fiot. He thinks
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: he has heard it, and he thinks he has not
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: encountered it, but has been near it. And his evidence
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: is this, and just bear with me for a moment.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: His evidence is, if you're a good tracker and hunter,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: you know the different smells of the animals. You know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: deers smell like this, you know, bear smell like this.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: You know, female elks and estris and their herds smell
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: like that, et cetera, et cetera. Well, he always told
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: me and my dad and my cousins there's this one
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: place up in the mountains that smells completely different and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: it's weird and it's funky, and he thinks that's where
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the big feed are. And we're always like sure, sure, yeah, whatever,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Like you're you know, it's one of those things where
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, your your tailing tails around the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: campfire and you know it's the middle of the night
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: and you're trying to scare the kids sort of thing, right, Like,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: we always sort of gave him shit about it. You know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: it was like, you know, not not viciously or anything,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: but you know, it was always sort of that. And
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: finally he was like, no, I'll fucking take you up there,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: like it's you've got to hike hike in it's like
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: two days going unto the goddamn mountains. And we're like
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: humoring because it's like we like hiking in there anyway.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: You know, if you see a deer, you get a
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: deer sort of thing. It's always beautiful. You know, we
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: have fun. So we're like, you know, let's do it, Like,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: let's have this fun. And we hike in there for
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: two days. And he takes to the spot and I
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: swear to god, it smells fucking weird. It doesn't smell
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: like deer, doesn't smell like elk, doesn't smell like cougars,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't smell like mountain sheep. But there's we weren't that
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: high up anyway, so it wouldn't smell like them, my point, bean.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: It smelled musky and shitty, almost kind of like a zoo,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: which is really weird when you're deep in the woods,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: because that's a smell that just doesn't compute. And we're like, yeah,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: it smells weird. Maybe there's a hot spring and some
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: you know, minerals coming up mixing with sulfur and making
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: it smell weird. You know, there's a million explanations it
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: could be. Yea, I will admit it did smell animal like,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you know, like okay, you know, we gave them that.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: We had a good time. You know, we told stories
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: around the campfire and you know, Hike backed out and
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: it was a great It was a great weekend or whatever,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: four day a week, whatever it was, and didn't really
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: think about it again. And to bring it back to orangutangs,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I was living in Jakarta with my wife. I had
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: very good friends who were living in Singapore. We both
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: happened to have a vacation at the same time. So
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: we're like, hey, let's go to Sumatra. Let's go to
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Madan and northern Sumatra. Go to Lake Toba, see the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: you know, the biggest volcano that nearly destroyed all of
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: humanity when it blew. And go to uh bukit Lawang,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: where one of the only two wild orangutang habitats are.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: And it was a sort of thing. Weak went a car,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: drive into the into the jungle. We get to the
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: place where the habitat is. You know, we get there
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: at night, go to sleep, wake up in the you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: balls early in the morning or like four or five
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: to hike into the and like Adam, he said, like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you're not going to do this on your own. You
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: need somebody to take you in there, knowing where they are.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Like it's a very very sort of like particular thing,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: like way up in the trees. And anyway, we're hiking in,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: hiking in, and the sun's coming up, and you know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: there's a huge banyan trees and suddenly this I had
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: just attributed to. I do think there's a big energy
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: exchange between animals and people, especially in wild situations. But
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the energy got really weird and it smelled exactly like
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: where my uncle took us up in the Olympics. And
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I looked up and there were five orangu things, two
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: females with two babies, and another younger female on her
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: own up in the trees, just munching away. And I
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: was just like I it was like that whole thing
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: rushed back to me, like you know when you have
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: like a massive like the most massive deja vu ever. Yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: and it was it smelled except I mean identical, which
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I can logically say it doesn't make sense because it's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: a fucking you know, tropical rainforest and not a temperate one.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't spell the same, but those were apes in
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a forest, and it smelled the fucking same to me,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And so I walked away, called to my uncle and said,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry we made fun of you. Might be right,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and that's why there's twenty five percent of me that
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: believes there might be a humanoid ape living in the
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: forest that we just haven't seen yet.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Does this mean I can't be a hunter or a
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: tracker with allergies?
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: It doesn't help.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking that's what it means.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: A lot of out there, yeah, and a lot of
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of pollen.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, No, I mean the Redwood forest in
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: northern California is where I became allergic to mosquitoes.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to say, no, yeah, mosquitos. But yeah,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: so that's sort of like that is a wild story.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: It is. It is a wild story.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I could argue the smell could be a
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: bunch of different things, but like you're kind of saying that,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and I can't argue the possibility that the most solitary
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of the great apes could have an extant population somewhere.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: It's very possible it's a lot more possible than like
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the all of the you know, twentieth century white people
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: conceptions of big feet that I have an entire page
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: of a Google doc that is useless.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Now I'm so sorry.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: No, don't be sorry. I'm glad. I'm glad. I actually
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I love this possibility.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's a possibility. Yeah. And it's
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: just a possibility, right, Like I'm not. I didn't see anything,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: but smell.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Is the strongest sense tied to memory. It's possible there
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: was something the same. Whether it was an ape like
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: creature or just something within the atmosphere, we don't know.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: But it's possible there was something the same.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And now I need you to go back and
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: catch one, please, so we can put this to rest.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Finally, So what I sort of kicked myself. I was
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: doing work in Goma in the DRC and O nine.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I mean that's where you left to go up to
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Verrunga to see the wild Eastern Mountain gorillas, like what
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: are the last populations of those? And I just didn't
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: have time before I had to leave the country to
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: go up there and do that. But I want to.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I wish I would have because I want to know
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: how it fucking smelled. And it's the sort of thing
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I kicked myself now because I feel like that could
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: have been that would have just like took me from
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: twenty five percent to maybe fifty percent.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I think you got the right apes actually being in Asia,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: being close to gigantipith, the kiss, Yeah, being the most
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: solitary of all ape species, I think I think you
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: picked the right ones.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it could just it could be like an
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: offshoot of orangutans that just made it here and stayed
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: in that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it would have to be if we haven't
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: seen it is.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: A different climate, yeah yeah.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: But also yeah, I mean that it was you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: long story short, I got to see rangutans. That was cool,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: you know, sort of you know, and it's it's the
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: sort of thing where you know, and look, you want
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: to talk about empty land. There's two United States worth
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: of land in Russia that is untouched. Knows what's in there.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Like literally a meteor exploded over part of it and
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: like wiped out, you know, hundreds of thousands acres and
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: people didn't even realize for a decade. You know, like
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: there's there's little much what's that.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Oh God, there will.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Something like that there we go. So there's so much
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: amazing stuff out there. I think, you know, for me,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: just as you know, I'll shut up. But it's the
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: sort of thing where it's exciting because it's like, if
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: you take away all the fucking History Channel bullshit of
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: it and all the you know, the white supremacy bullshit
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: of it, there's still like I think it's exciting and
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: fun because it's I you know, it kind of brings
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: out the kid in me, like, Hey, maybe there is
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: something cool out there we haven't discovered yet, and there's
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: still so much this world we haven't discovered, and we
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: don't know when we know so much, and there's so
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: much shit and it's there, you know, blah blah blah
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: blah blah. It kind of to me, I like the
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: excitement of there still being stuff out there that's worth discovering.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that absolutely.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah with that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, I came here thinking I was going to fight
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and I have nothing to fight.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Well, see what's what's what's the next.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's a theory that Hitler killed NeSSI
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that makes me very tickled. I think it's ridiculous, but
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Also it's naughty Hitler.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Why I hadn't hurt that one. I'm really mad.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, it's yeah, he sucked before.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: But it's interesting. Hanna brings up Hitler because I was
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: going to. I know I've recommended it before, I'm sure,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: but just you know, for whatever reason, given today's times
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: we're living in, cannot recommend enough the film The Man
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Who Killed Hitler and then The Bigfoot.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: It.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Given the title, you think it's going to be a
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: like silly, bullshit b movie, and it is not. It's
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: so fucking good.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: The other person who recommended that to me was my mom,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: so I have to watch it now.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: It fucking rules. It's so good and.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I'm a huge Sam Elliott fan to begin with, but
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: him in that movie is astonishing, Yeah, like astonishing, like
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the turn, Like I don't want to I'm not gonna
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: spoil anything, but the turn that movie makes.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: It was And also you hear that title and you're like, well,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: what the hell do Hitler and Bigfoot have to do
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: with each other? And it makes perfect sense by the
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: end of the movie. It's so good, fucking love.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I might watch that tonight.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm gonna watch it again this week
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah, he was really good.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: In this house. I'm so happy my boyfriend has a
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: podcast and they've finished. They've done the last of eleven.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Wow, they've They've done God's They've done God's work there.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: I started doing a lost podcast and we get up
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: after one season.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard going back and rewatching stuff. Man,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Like I cried. I tried a joke. Yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: The fact that even the podcast came up after one season.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. I love that somewhere that podcast is still going.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: It's just not here.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Not here.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely not definitely, not in purgatory.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, definitely not definitely not no, no, all rightatory.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I mean purgatory is ninety podcasts.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I bet that's where Bigfoot hides.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: He goes through like a transdimensional slip and like goes
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: into purgatory any time and like a person comes near him.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, skin walker everybody.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean, I like, I really enjoyed talking
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: with you guys. I think like Bigfoot can be fun again.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Let's make big Foot fun again. Yeah, I don't know.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: It's sort of like it's supposed to be stupid fun.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: For it's a big ape carved out of wood that
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: you see in you know, on the beach in Seattle.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: That's supposed to be fun. And yeah, the stick Indian
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: thing aside, like you know, I'm not going to say
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: that word watch out for stick Indians. They'll fuck you up.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: But uh yeah, and now watch this will be another
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: thing like Pete Rose maybe getting reinstated into baseball, where
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Trump will just sign an executive order and be like
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot's real. And then I'm just gonna be like, oh,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: fuck you, No, he's not shut up. I don't want
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: it to happen that way.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Fuck you, Yeah, no, no, don't. Yeah, don't make this
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: like vaccines.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Pete Rose is dead. Fuck him and you fuck
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: you both.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: It's it's there are some things that don't need to
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: exist in like the like hard science realm until they do.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, absolutely. And it's also, like I try to
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: say at the beginning, like oral traditions and myths are
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: those things. It's mostly allegorical. I have fully understand that,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: but I do. There's always a there's always a threat
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: of truth or reality to any oral tradition or myth,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Like I do truly believe that, and so I.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Mean, it sounds like there's a lot of history to it,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: especially considering how many different groups have a similar myth.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, But also again, you know, there's a lot
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: of context in when what were those cultures going through,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Like where were they what was happening, you know, in
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the timeline, And I think a lot of a lot
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: of a lot of it can be boiled down to
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: feral people just living out in the wilderness. But maybe
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I hope in my twenty five percent of my soul
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: that it is a humanoid ape That.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Would be better.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: It would be a lot cooler.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I would prefer that, but.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be a lot cooler. But hey, if
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: there are just people who don't want to be contacted,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: we leave them alone. Yeah, Trump should leave them alone.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Someone make Trump leave them alone.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just going to say, one of the
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: most underrated human rights in the world is the right
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: to be left the fuck alone. Yes, which exactly there
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: are a lot of people who would take that right now,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: I'm on your side, I get it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And also sort of a I like to champion
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: and indigenous oral history, and like, you know, I put
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: in some uh pictures of you know how we used
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: to dress in the Pacific Northwest and we masks like
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: wooden cedar masks were huge in our culture, painted and
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: decorated and we often wore. We bred this specific dog
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: on a couple of islands and would use their hair
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: to make black and red cloaks in the As I
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: mentioned before, I come from a very shaman shamanistic tradition,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: given that the best psiloicide in the world comes from
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: the Olympic Peninsula. So imagine like bumping into me three
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: hundred years ago with a mask on, tripping my balls
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: off in a black dog hair cloak. Yeah, you might
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: think I'm a fucking book fifth.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very possible.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Does that? Does that species of dogs still exist?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: No, it was wiped out when white people got there. Yeah. Unfortunately,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: they did try to sequence the DNA, and I think
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: they want to, you know, see if they can Willy
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: mammoth it back. But it's there's nobody, there's no real
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: money behind it because my reservation is very, very destitute,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: and so our whole culture is very on the edge
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: of you know existence. So cloning a dog from two
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: hundred years ago not exactly the top of the old
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: list of things to do. Yeah, it'd be awesome because
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: most people, most people don't even think dogs were in
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: the Americas before the Europeans showed up. So you know,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: it'd be nice to uh, you'd be right nice to
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: reverse that of nature.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Of course we brought we bring them everywhere.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, man, it's it's not like I said, let's
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: make Bigfoot fun again. It's it's And also, I like,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I like the very core of even the stick Man thing.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, don't be a piece of shit and
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you won't get destroyed. That's the core of that, you know,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: the whole thing, and.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Those are words to live by right there. Just again,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: any encounter animal person, Yeah, don't be a piece of shit.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people can change. I used to be a piece
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: of shit.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we I'm sure we've won't had our moments.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: But let's my last point is if you see pickfoot,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: please don't shoot it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't shoot bigfoot. Oh god, yeah, my, I guess
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: last thing about Bigfoot and people who don't believe Bigfoot
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: is real, that's fine, but don't like not believe it
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: in a way you're just like, no, I know, absolutely
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: for sure. It's like not if you're just a motherfucker
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: doing a podcast, you don't like, that's not your field.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: You're not out look Bigfoot, No, no not. I mean
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: there's some people who like, I don't know, it's.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: No, I know what you mean. I've it's coming from
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: an indigenous background. The amount of a rature of just
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: like complete dismissal of your myths, your history, your science,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: your icon in your everything. It's like yeah, like thanks.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: You know, like yeah it, I don't know. It kind
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: of I don't know. Just reminds me of conspiracy theories
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: in general, where I don't it feels unhealthy to be
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: totally convinced either way, like there's never any conspiracy theories
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: or every conspiracy theory is real, like unhealthy. I mean,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: if we're talking conspiracy theories, unhealthy is the right fucking word.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: But like with Bigfoot, I don't know, just have some
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: room in your heart, you never know. Don't get and
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: don't get mad at people, Hannah, Don't get mad at
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: people when they think Bigfoot might be real. It's not
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: something to get mad about. You can get mad at
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: the guy that made the fake videos. Obviously, that guy
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: sounds and the.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Fake footprints, yeah yeah yeah, and the fake and the
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: cast that was probably an milk.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. I think a lot of.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: As long as I can get mad at those people,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I'm happy.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think we have seen any like compelling bigfoot foote.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: I feel like I've seen more compelling ghost shit than
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I've seen bigfoot stuff.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's another thing that a lot of human
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: cultures have a conception of, and the conceptions are wildly different.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: But there's something in our brains or something about us
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that ghosts.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: And it's a thing. Even in the United States, we
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: used to be way, way, way, way more open to
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: the idea of ghosts and a spirit world, especially around
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: the early nineteen hundreds. If you read the book The
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Science of Getting Rich, which is essentially The Secret, it's
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: like the original version of The Secret. It came out
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: like nineteen ten. We talked about it on an episode
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: about the three books that explain Donald Trump on the
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Unpopular Opinion podcast, the other being The Authoritarians, and I
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: forget the name of it, but the book Mary Trump
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: wrote about Donald Trump. But in the Science of Getting Rich,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: there's a whole passage where the guy who wrote the
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: book is like, and listen, don't worry about ghosts. They
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: have their own shit to deal with. They don't have
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: time for you, so don't you worry about them either.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Like you'll meet up eventually, but for right now, you
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: focus on you and let the ghosts be. And he
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: was not like tongue in cheek about it. He was
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: just very matter of fact, like maybe the gross alone.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: See, I mean he's got a point.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah he does.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, that's great.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I don't think if I saw a
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: ghost in the woods, I would shoot it either.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, don't shoot the bigfoot if you see it.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let it, let it do its thing. Ghosts, Yeah,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a wild world out there, that's all
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I know. I spend a lot of time in the woods,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: and a lot of strange shit happens out there. I
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: spend a lot of time on the ocean, and a
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: lot of strange shit happens out there. And it's not
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: like I'm not trying to be you know, I don't
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: know woo wu or anything like that. But it's like,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: strange shit happens, man, Like it just does. Can you
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: imagine your mind?
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Shit is in the ocean.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when your mind tries to fill in gaps
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: you ever see oh never.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: There's probably shit swimming around on fire down there, like, wow,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: how are you doing.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: That next to hydrothermal events. I'm sure there is yeah maybe,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, we're we're there's so much that we
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: don't know about the world. I absolutely will.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: And I think that's like back to your point, Adam,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: where you know, there are a lot of people who
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: are very dismissive outright of things, where it's like, hey,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: you know, we don't always know everything, like, just have
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: an open heart a little bit to normal things. I'm
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: not saying I have an open heart to fucking like
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Hitler or fascism, have an open art to bigfoot and
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: maybe ghosts too. I think you should have an open
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: art to ghost.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Tolerate the tolerant.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, chupacabra, how's everyone? What's everyone's stance on the chepicabra?
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's definitely fake.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know for sure. I believe that there are
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: two different chup of cabras, if I'm not mistaken. There's,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: all right, the Puerto Rican version and and there's the
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Mexican version, which is the goat sucker that we kind
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: of know, and the Puerto Rican version is more lizard
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: like more if I'm honest, like the creature from the
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: movie Species.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that. I've heard that. That's like
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: a very famous debunking of that story is, oh, that
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: woman had just seen Species. That's really making that woman
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: out to be like, Oh, this dumb foreigner just soft
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: fucking species.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And oh see, I'm gone the opposite way. I think
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the reason that these stories were so prevalent, I'm guessing
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: because during the time, it was pushback against literal American
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: imperialism in Puerto Rico and kind of political theater that
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the mayor kind of drummed up rather than this poor
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: woman who just saw something. Yeah, and in Mexico it
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: was kind of a reassertion of older ancestral myths against
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: American cultural imperialism.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Now, what about the pure anyway, No, I was going
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: to say the mon talk monster, which that one is
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: interesting to me because what you hear from a lot
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: of people is well, yeah, that science guy said it
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: was a raccoon, and it's like, yes, what about the
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: other science guy who said it's definitely not a raccoon.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know about this one, so I can the.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Mon Talk Monster. There's still a lot of people who
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: will tell you they don't know what it is. But
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of people will also tell you it's like
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: a raccoon with mange. And my pushback on that is
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: why aren't there more raccoons being found that look like
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: this thing? But it's fine. But the mon Talk Monster,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: if you google it, the picture of it will come
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: up immediately. It washed up on a beach in New York.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: And what's crazy is it washed up on a beach
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: in New York that is right across from this government
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: facility called Plum Island.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, a lot of these things happen in your government facilities.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: The Puerto Rican Chewbacabra, the mothman, and yeah, the Jersey drones.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I nearly popped your text the other day because I've
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: been driving back and forth in d C from Kentucky
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: and I went through Wheeling, West Virginia, which has those
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: has those two bridges that go over the river before
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: you get in, and I was like, wait, is this
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: is this the mothmnon bridge? And I was like, no,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: that's that's Mount Pleasant. But I was always like took
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: a picture like trying to drive and be like, yeah,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: where's the man?
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Then you ever get to see that Mothman statue? It
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: has a beautiful but.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Just yeah nice, Yeah it's got it's got that ass.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I've been driving through West Virginia, so I might
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: make it. I might make a pilgrimage to uh to
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: go see the Mothman.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: I can't recommend the film the Mothman prophecies enough. It's
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: not what you're expecting, and I think that's why people
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: hated it.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: But that in theaters I remember, I remember even at.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: This one, I fell asleep.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Oh I liked it. Yeah, it's a slow burn for sure.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a it's a cinematic experience.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: This could be ADHD. I will give you that. This
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: could be that I have ADHD.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, it was. It was just one of those things.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: It was one of those things where it was like
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I was, I did not expect that movie to be
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: what it was at all.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, well that was the problem. They the trailer
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: makes it seem like a monster movie and it's it's
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: not a monster movie. It's a psychosis movie kind of.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, I was, I was, I was in
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: I've been going through West Virginia, and I was like,
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: I gotta, I gotta stop trying to take a picture
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: of a bridge while I'm driving, and that I'm in the.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Right down West Virginia. Can't you just like stop in
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: the middle of the street and take a picture of
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: the bridge and then get back in your car and
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: keep going.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: At other car pretty one or two, but very few.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, West Virginia. I don't mean to be that way.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Actually, that's the reason I'm driving that way. Sorry, this
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter, It doesn't matter. But there's so few people
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: on the on the road on the interstate that I
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: turned from Virginia and to West Virginia and I think
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: it drove for an hour and a half. I didn't
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: see another car.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, honestly, I'm not mad at that.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Oh that's beautiful.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds great and scary.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Both put beautiful mountains on either side of the road.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: It was great. Okay, this is the I sixty four casks.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right. Do we have any final thoughts
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: on the Bigfoot?
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Just be open to it, I think, is my final thought.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I am finding the Bigfoot lifestyle more and more tempting,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: just in terms of being isolated in the woods away
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: from other people. Oh sure, yeah, that drive sounds very
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: beautiful away from cars. The fact that there are no
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: roads sounds delightful.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Wait, are we missing the opportunity here to start a
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: real Bigfoot cult of people who move out into the
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: wilderness away from society and then just scare away or
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: trick anybody that comes near us.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, we should do that, and then
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: will scare all the bigfoots out into regular society because
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: it's what it's what humans do when they show up
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: in animals shit, and then that's how the big Feet
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: take over.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: And that's it, that's.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: What we deserve. So I think that's our episode. Zach Hannah,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: thank you both so much. I appreciate you doing the pod.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: What do we have to plug before we get out
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: of here? All I got is Adam Todd Brown dotbsky
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: dot social Follow me on blue Sky. That's Todd with
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: one D. I want to stop using the other platforms
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: and I have, so if you want to follow me
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: on social media in any capacity, follow me on blue Sky.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: That's all I got. Zach, what do you got to plug?
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I'm still on Instagram for some unfatiable reasons, so you
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: can follow me ZTP whiskey. You can see what I'm
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: mostly drinking cocktails and whiskey on there for work for
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Blackwood Distilling Company, bourbon and right and yeah. Basically that's it.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Follow follow ahead an atom unless you like whiskey, Otherwise
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: they're more interesting than me.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Hannah, it's I'm gonna do the same thing. My name
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: is spelled weird because uh, I guess a lot of
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: my ancestors didn't speak English or spell it. It's h
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: A N A M I C H E L S
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: no A in there at bsky dot social also trying
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: to leave the other platforms, especially Twitter. I will not
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: call it anything but Twitter.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, if anything, I will call it Twitter
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: currently known as X, but I will never ever ever
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: say X formerly known as Twitter under any circumstances. But
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: usually yeah, I'll just do Twitter. Yeah, yeah, elon musk
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: and fuck Nazis.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: God.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: It is like a horrible of like what happens when
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: you hoard wealth. It's like two cartoonish.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep, it sure is. Sorry, that's why we need
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: here's the thing, Bigfoot the streets need you get out here.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Be our government please, all right, let's get the fuck
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: out of here. Zach say goodbye, Hannah say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, everybody.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: We love you. In Bigfoot, both