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Feminists Around the World: COPA 71 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to Stephen.
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  Speaker 1: Never told you a protection of iHeart Radio.
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  Speaker 2: And we are back with another feminists around the world,
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  Speaker 2: except we're doing it a little differently. Today I decided
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  Speaker 2: because the Women's World Cup is happening and I'm not
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  Speaker 2: paying attention to it enough as I should. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like at least we should talk about it at the
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  Speaker 2: very least, And we talked about a little bit before
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  Speaker 2: because we're discussing what this month will be about. But
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  Speaker 2: are you watching any of it? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: No? So I told you I have a friend who's
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  Speaker 1: really into it, and you'll probably hear from soon if
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  Speaker 1: we come on the show. And I watched two matches
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  Speaker 1: with her that I very much enjoyed because her passion
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  Speaker 1: shines to and I love soccer. But without her, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not keeping up. Although today she did send me a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of Instagram stories about the game that happened last night,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm like keeping up through her, I guess, is
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  Speaker 1: what I was saying.
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  Speaker 2: So is it the US match with Portugal? Yes, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing a lot of things, so as per usual
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  Speaker 2: me being me, I'm keeping up through TikTok with the
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  Speaker 2: people letting me know what's going on, and apparently this
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  Speaker 2: is the queerest World Cup ever, and I'm really excited
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  Speaker 2: to know why. There was a few things that were
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  Speaker 2: like watch this and watch this, and I know at
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  Speaker 2: one point, like one cute couple, we're giving each other
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  Speaker 2: a kiss while someone else was holding them up. I
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  Speaker 2: know another are getting like another TikTok was about how
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  Speaker 2: different players are getting around the rainbow arm band. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: super interesting. I loved I loved seeing stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: But today and Annie, I'm going to just talk at you,
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  Speaker 2: so listeners and Annie, get ready because I know very
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  Speaker 2: little about this detail. I researched a little about this,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to know more about it. And I
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  Speaker 2: know already that we're going to have listeners who can
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  Speaker 2: tell me all about it. So I'm excited for the
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  Speaker 2: email and hopefully the messages we get about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because we're going to take a historical look and Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll probably follow up with other episodes on what
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  Speaker 2: is happening in the World Cup today or this year.
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  Speaker 2: And for some context, today is August first, twenty twenty three. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: were recording it on the day we're releasing it. That's
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  Speaker 2: how I do. I'm sorry, Christina, I love you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And there have been many exciting things happening. Again, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about it eventually. Again. I know many
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  Speaker 2: listeners y'all are really good at letting us know what's
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  Speaker 2: going on and things that we need to know about,
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  Speaker 2: So keep telling us. So just those things because we
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  Speaker 2: love that. And you know, we're in feature, y'all because
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  Speaker 2: we need to know this information. But we wanted to
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  Speaker 2: take a look at the historic COPA seventy one, which
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  Speaker 2: was one of the most successful women's soccer tournament honestly,
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  Speaker 2: and it is also known as the nineteen seventy one
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  Speaker 2: Women's World Cup. So if you know anything about this,
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  Speaker 2: that's way before the first FIFA World Cup. But something
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  Speaker 2: fascinating this year, a documentary is being released taking a
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  Speaker 2: look at this amazing tournament and how it was almost
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  Speaker 2: deleted from history and how little people know about it,
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  Speaker 2: including myself. And here's a quote from a write up
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  Speaker 2: in Variety about it. COPA seventy one recounts the story
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  Speaker 2: of the nineteen seventy one Women's World Cup, one of
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  Speaker 2: the most successful female soccer tournaments of all time, where
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  Speaker 2: lavish sponsorships extensive TV coverage, merchandise on every street corner,
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  Speaker 2: and over one hundred thousand fans turned the historic Esteca
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  Speaker 2: Stadium in Mexico City into a cauldron of noise, while
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  Speaker 2: a fawning media treated the players like rock stars. In
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  Speaker 2: August nineteen seventy one, teams from England, Argentina, Mexico, France,
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  Speaker 2: Denmark and Italy gathered in Mexico City for a watershed
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  Speaker 2: football tournament, which sparked the explosion of women's football around
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  Speaker 2: the globe and was a catalyst that led to the
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen's Women's World Cup Final gaining TV audiences in
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  Speaker 2: America larger than the NBA Finals. And if y'all remember
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  Speaker 2: that one, that was huge, it's huge. The World Cup
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  Speaker 2: is getting bigger and bigger. Of course, kind of like
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  Speaker 2: soccer in the US in general. Until the US has
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  Speaker 2: something to like big part of it, we don't notice.
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  Speaker 2: And it makes me sad because I do that. This
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  Speaker 2: is probably one of the sports I really do enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of forget about it until I start watching it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I really I know nothing about the sport,
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  Speaker 2: but I really like it. It's kind of obvious they're going
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  Speaker 2: from one side to the other. They're not being like
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  Speaker 2: they're kind of being angry, They're they definitely moments of
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  Speaker 2: like oh no, don't do that, but it's exciting. It
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  Speaker 2: keeps going out. I really love watching it and then
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  Speaker 2: like being with the The first time I ever watched
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  Speaker 2: it was watching the euro Cup in England when I
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  Speaker 2: was visiting England and watching it at a pub, and
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  Speaker 2: the love people have for this game and the excitement.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh damn, I don't say anything bad
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  Speaker 2: because I might get a beer bottle in my head.
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  Speaker 2: It was that intense. It was one of those matches
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  Speaker 2: and then people were like, we're going for this team
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  Speaker 2: and this team, and I was like, I have no
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  Speaker 2: idea what's happening, but this is amazing and it made
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  Speaker 2: me love it. This was like early two thousands when
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  Speaker 2: I was traveling the world by myself, but with that,
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  Speaker 2: it is freaking exciting. We did watch it, and the
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  Speaker 2: women of the US team has made a lot of
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  Speaker 2: history for us, especially for a lot of women in
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  Speaker 2: general trying to get that money. And when I say
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  Speaker 2: get that many just being paid the equal amount. We're
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  Speaker 2: not saying they want more. We're saying they want a
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  Speaker 2: livable wage for doing something that is really demanding and
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  Speaker 2: taxing of their body and representing a country. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: seems reasonable. But hey, who's to say. But let's take
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  Speaker 2: a look at the soccer timeline. Annie, Now, if you
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  Speaker 2: talk about soccer today, we know that it is football
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  Speaker 2: everywhere else. Okay, So I will be going back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to the overseas listeners who are like, stop
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  Speaker 2: saying soccer. I'm still American. I'm trying y'all this. And
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  Speaker 2: as we go through this, it's gonna sound very similar
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  Speaker 2: to the Olympic episode that we had and all of
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  Speaker 2: the bad things that they thought women couldn't do and
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  Speaker 2: should do, shouldn't do, and wouldn't they should do it,
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  Speaker 2: and who allows them to do it? So very reminiscent
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  Speaker 2: of that. I kept going back. I'm like, wait, did
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  Speaker 2: we talk about this because it sounded so familiarity, Like
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  Speaker 2: what why is it? So of course it is just
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  Speaker 2: of course it is, you know. So the official timeline
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  Speaker 2: would start in the late eighteen hundreds. However, much like
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  Speaker 2: when we talk about first Annie, you and I talked
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  Speaker 2: about this, it has to be remembered and games similar
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  Speaker 2: to this was already being played by so many in
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  Speaker 2: the world, especially in like Latin America as well as
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  Speaker 2: the areas of what we know is China. So like
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about the Hun dynasty a bit literally one line,
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  Speaker 2: but you know whatever, And so I'm gonna make a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people angry by reminding people that culture is
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  Speaker 2: often stolen or taken and credit to those who are
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  Speaker 2: in power. But that's my one bit. Don't be mad
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  Speaker 2: at me. But if you know, you know, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like our listeners know. But just in case someone hits
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  Speaker 2: up and they're like, I thought we were talking about
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  Speaker 2: football and I'm like colonization, it's just as the reminder again.
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  Speaker 2: The first recorded again emphasis on recorded match was the
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  Speaker 2: eighteen seventy two match between Scotland and England and was
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  Speaker 2: the first recognized match by FIFA. Who we know who
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  Speaker 2: that is, right, and was watched by four thousand people
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  Speaker 2: and according to a Vox art, the force recorded international
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  Speaker 2: women's match was in eighteen eighty one, where the women
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  Speaker 2: were playing in high hilled boots, which by the way,
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  Speaker 2: was also between Scotland and England. Here's a description from box.
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  Speaker 2: Players wore jerseys, stockings, knickerbockers. I love that words. I
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  Speaker 2: love that word. I don't know why, but there you go. Knickerbuckers.
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  Speaker 2: Just gonna pember that in now and again. Do you
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  Speaker 2: have your knickerbuckers and a bunch anyway? Knickerbuckers, belts, high
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  Speaker 2: heeled boots and cowls on the field. Media reports were
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  Speaker 2: peppered with bemused and condescending sentences, including the game, judged
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  Speaker 2: from a player's point of view, was a failure, but
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  Speaker 2: some of the individual members of the team showed that
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  Speaker 2: they had a fair idea of the game.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, fair idea.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking of doing that in an English accent,
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  Speaker 2: but I did not want to again insult. It would
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  Speaker 2: have been an assault.
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  Speaker 1: But now I'll always wonder about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all right, good anyway, And unsurprisingly they were
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  Speaker 2: not well received, in fact that they were booed off
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  Speaker 2: the field. Of course in the article they're like, it
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  Speaker 2: could be just because of the game, and that's what
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  Speaker 2: they do. But nonetheless, and though they weren't celebrated or
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  Speaker 2: even welcomed, women have been playing since the beginning, with
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  Speaker 2: historical evidence going back as far as the Han dynasty
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  Speaker 2: in twenty five to two twenty CE. Women have been
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  Speaker 2: doing this. There have been records of them doing it
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. So in eighteen ninety four Netdy
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  Speaker 2: Honeyball established the British Ladies Football Club, which continued to
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  Speaker 2: push against the sexist discrimination of the game and game organizers, which,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, Honeyball, what a perfect name for a
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  Speaker 2: person who wanted to do something with football. So good,
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  Speaker 2: so good, and the Ladies had some success, even having
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  Speaker 2: up to fifty three thousand people in the crowd for match,
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  Speaker 2: and the organizers did exactly what you would expect. They
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  Speaker 2: got upset and banned the Ladies, saying the game of
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  Speaker 2: football is quite unsuitable for females and ought not to
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  Speaker 2: be encouraged again not doing it I in the accident.
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  Speaker 2: I want to because I know how bad I am.
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  Speaker 2: And though the different organizations tried to ban it wasn't successful.
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  Speaker 2: All around the world women started their own leagues, such
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  Speaker 2: as the English Ladies Football Association and in nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 2: the Federation of Independent European Female Football fIF FI. EFF
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  Speaker 2: with the support of the famous wine and alcohol makers
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  Speaker 2: Martini and Rossi, hosted the Women's World Cup, which led
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  Speaker 2: to the nineteen seventy one Women's World Cup hosted in Mexico,
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  Speaker 2: played in the largest stadium in North America at that time.
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  Speaker 2: This tournament was huge in a success, but we really
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  Speaker 2: don't know much about it. So here's another quote from
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  Speaker 2: the Variety article. COPA seventy one was organized by the
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  Speaker 2: Italy headquartered Federation of Independent European Female Football fief and
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  Speaker 2: was set up in Mexico because it had just hosted
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  Speaker 2: the men's nineteen seventy FIFA World Cup. The existing infrastructure
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  Speaker 2: of the Steca Stadium and enthusiastic support of local sponsors
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  Speaker 2: made a women's tournament not only appealing but commercially savvy.
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  Speaker 2: Yet as the event came together, FIFA tried to prevent
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  Speaker 2: it from happening at all. While it did go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and proved to be a smashing success, its legitimacy was
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  Speaker 2: undermined from the get go, and the event failed to
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  Speaker 2: receive the international claim and attention it deserved. So the
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  Speaker 2: game itself was made up of six teams. Again, Mexico
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  Speaker 2: did Mark, Argentina, Italy, Frans and England, with Denmark winning
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  Speaker 2: the whole World Cup. The basis of this documentary is
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  Speaker 2: an unfolding and retelling of this historical tournament. They talked
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  Speaker 2: to the ladies of the time, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: apparently a few of them reunited in twenty nineteen, would
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  Speaker 2: love know about that, and they were finding out the
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  Speaker 2: good and the bad of that era, many of the
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  Speaker 2: women talking about how amazing they felt at first and
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  Speaker 2: then being discriminated against throughout, even though they did an
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  Speaker 2: amazing like literally up to over one hundred and ten
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  Speaker 2: thousand people showed up to the stadium in nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 2: one and they sold out so many merchandise because of
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  Speaker 2: the play and beat doves. Some of these players were
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  Speaker 2: as young as thirteen years old. Some of the English
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  Speaker 2: teams that I was reading about, I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: oh wow, thirteen fifteen, nineteen, what so again? This is
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  Speaker 2: a reminder of how long this game has been around
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  Speaker 2: and how women and girls have been wanting to be
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  Speaker 2: a part of it since the beginning. So this is
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  Speaker 2: not something like, oh, men can do this, it looks
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  Speaker 2: like fun. It literally has been we're all playing what
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  Speaker 2: just happened? Why can't we play right? Seemingly And of
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  Speaker 2: course the band in England for women's soccer team was
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  Speaker 2: lifted in nineteen seventy when they figured out that can
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  Speaker 2: make some money, and the EEFA recommended that the national
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  Speaker 2: associations around the world should actually manage women's teams once again,
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  Speaker 2: let's make some money. And the first woman to be
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  Speaker 2: inducted to the National Football Museum was Lily par in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and two, and by the way, she was
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  Speaker 2: a part of a team that has been there since
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  Speaker 2: the beginning, essentially when the women's organization was like, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to start teams two so this is one of
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  Speaker 2: those teams. And in two thousand and eight, eighty seven
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  Speaker 2: years after the band FA, who was one of the
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  Speaker 2: original organizations that banned women, actually apologized say oops, sorry
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  Speaker 2: are bad. So at least I guess some people got
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  Speaker 2: some recognition. And of course the first FIFA World Cup
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  Speaker 2: was held in nineteen ninety one. This is in my generation,
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  Speaker 2: like my timeline, and that makes me sad that at
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  Speaker 2: first like that happened in my timeline. I feel very old.
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  Speaker 2: At the same time, this is a disgrace both of
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  Speaker 2: those things. Yes, and as we speak, the women of
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  Speaker 2: soccer are breaking records and pulling in the money and
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  Speaker 2: starting to get the money they deserve. And I say
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  Speaker 2: starting because we know this is still things and we
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  Speaker 2: don't know what's happening all over the world. We just
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  Speaker 2: know what was happening, specifically in the US when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to women getting paid the money they deserved. But yes,
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  Speaker 2: things are happening as we talked about you and I.
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  Speaker 2: The Philippines made some history, New Zealand made some history.
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  Speaker 2: All these different players are making history, different stadiums, different
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  Speaker 2: like viewing and streaming. Historical records are being broken as
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  Speaker 2: we speak. I'm excited because we will do a roundup
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  Speaker 2: in these days. And yeah, we might have a special
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  Speaker 2: guest telling us what we should know.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, hopefully. Did send me a very funny video about
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  Speaker 1: like the differences between watching the US Men's World Cup
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  Speaker 1: and the US Women's World Cup. We're basically in the
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  Speaker 1: US Men's World Cup. You're like, who is that? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: they lost its first and I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I love that and I'm excited to hear more about it.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, so yes, the World Cup is happening. Let
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  Speaker 2: us know what's happening in your perspective, your world. You
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  Speaker 2: want to know about it, what we want us to
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  Speaker 2: know about it. Also, again, documentarians Rachel Ramsey and James
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  Speaker 2: Arskine are the ones that have done this amazing documentary.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really excited for. It is being released at the
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  Speaker 2: Tiff Film Festival, which I just really aged myself for
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  Speaker 2: recalling it. Something completely different that is being released, I
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  Speaker 2: believe this year, and I am really excited because it
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  Speaker 2: is in line with Serena and Venus Williams's production company.
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  Speaker 2: So love to see that. Love seeing that being highlighted.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what it's about who they talk about,
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  Speaker 2: because we get to learn more about these amazing women
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  Speaker 2: who have been a race from history and I hate that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm excited about it too. And we're also
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  Speaker 1: excited to hear from you listeners because again, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: do have so much insight a lot of times when
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  Speaker 1: we talk about this this kind of stuff, And if
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