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Sven-Goran Eriksson: The story of England's first foreign manager - How It All Played Out · The Sports Agents

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  This
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  is
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  a
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  global
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  player
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  original
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  podcast.
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  In
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  October
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  of
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  2000,
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  England
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  manager
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  Kevin
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  Keegan
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  resigned
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  in
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  the
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  gents
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  lose
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  at
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  the
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  old
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  Wembley
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  after
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  losing
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  1
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  nil
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  to
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  Germany.
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  The
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  FA's
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  response
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  was
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  to
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  hire
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  their
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  first
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  overseas
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  manager,
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  a
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  seemingly
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  calm,
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  detached
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  Swede
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  who'd
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  had
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  great
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  success
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  in
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  Italy
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  and
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  Portugal
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  over
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  the
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  previous
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  15
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  years.
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  But
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  Sven
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  Eriksen
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  was
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  much
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  more
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  than
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  that.
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  He
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  was
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  a
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  charming,
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  urbane
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  man
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  who
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  kept
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  football
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  in
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  perspective
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  and
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  who
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  loved
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  the
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  game,
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  life
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  and
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  women.
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  Eriksen
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  led
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  England
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  to
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  three
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  quarter
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  finals
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  in
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  a
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  row,
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  but
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  despite
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  boasting
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  the
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  golden
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  generation,
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  he
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  couldn't
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  take
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  them
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  any
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  further.
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  But
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  he
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  did
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  open
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  the
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  door
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  to
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  foreign
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  England
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  managers.
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  Just
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  30
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  years
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  ago,
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  you'd
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  never
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  have
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  dreamt
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  of
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  seeing
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  Thomas
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  Tuchel
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  on
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  the
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  touchline
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  for
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  England.
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  But
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  now
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  we've
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  had
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  three
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  overseas
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  coaches
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  in
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  24
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  years.
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  So
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  why
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  did
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  the
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  FA
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  decide
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  to
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  open
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  up
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  to
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  foreign
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  managers?
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  And
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  what
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  of
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  Svenjorn
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  Eriksen,
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  that
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  pioneer
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  who
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  broke
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  down
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  that
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  barrier?
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  Did
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  his
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  off
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  field
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  lifestyle
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  ultimately
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  hamper
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  England?
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  Or
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  was
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  it
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  simply
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  a
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  combination
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  of
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  bad
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  luck,
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  broken
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  metatarsals
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  and
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  the
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  penalty
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  shootout
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  hoodoo
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  which
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  denied
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  him?
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  This
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  is
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  how
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  it
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  all
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  played
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  out.
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  Well,
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  Paul,
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  you
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  and
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  I
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  live
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  through
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  this,
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  we
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  work
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  through
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  this.
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  And
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  you've
• 1:35
  written
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  the
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  England
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  biography
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  called
• 1:37
  England
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  Football.
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  We
• 1:38
  better
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  start
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  on
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  that
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  filthy
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  day
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  at
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  Wembley
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  where
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  we
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  were
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  both
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  there
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  when
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  England
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  lost
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  miserably
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  under
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  Kevin
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  Keegan
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  to
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  Germany
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  in
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  a
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  World
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  cup
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  qualifier.
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  And
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  before
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  we
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  knew
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  it,
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  I
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  was
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  live
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  on
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  air,
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  you
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  were
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  scribbling
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  away.
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  Suddenly
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  we
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  realized
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  that
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  stuff
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  was
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  happening
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  in
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  the
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  gents
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  lose,
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  wasn't
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  it?
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  Really
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  was
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  happening
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  in
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  the
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  gents
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  lose.
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  Yeah,
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  it
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  was
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  a
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  day
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  dripping
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  in
• 1:57
  pathos
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  really.
• 1:58
  David
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  Seaman
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  had
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  been
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  beaten
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  from
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  30
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  yards
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  by
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  a
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  Diddy
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  Hammann
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  free
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  kick.
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  The
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  great
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  German
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  goalkeeper
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  Sepp
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  Meyer
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  said
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  that
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  even
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  he
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  could
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  have
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  stopped
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  it
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  at
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  57
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  years
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  old.
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  There
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  was
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  a
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  lot
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  of
• 2:09
  knife
• 2:09
  twisting
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  by
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  the
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  Germans.
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  It
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  was
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  a
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  dismal
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  performance,
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  a
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  very,
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  very
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  wet
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  day.
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  And
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  Wembley,
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  the
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  great
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  cathedral
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  of
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  the
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  English
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  game,
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  was
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  coming
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  down.
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  So
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  it
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  was
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  bad
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  enough
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  already
• 2:19
  before
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  Keegan
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  stepped
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  toilet
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  cubicle
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  in
• 2:24
  the
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  bowels
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  of
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  Wembley
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  and
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  said
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  he
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  was
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  he
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  was
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  quitting.
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  The
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  FA
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  asked
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  him
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  whether
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  he
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  was
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  sure
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  he
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  wanted
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  to
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  do
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  that
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  and
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  he
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  said
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  immortally,
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  no,
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  no,
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  no,
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  I'm
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  off,
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  I'm
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  not
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  for
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  this.
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  And
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  when
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  it
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  was
• 2:38
  pointed
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  out
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  to
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  him
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  that
• 2:39
  England
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  had
• 2:39
  another
• 2:39
  game
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  five
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  days
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  later
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  against
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  Finland,
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  Keegan
• 2:42
  reportedly
• 2:43
  said,
• 2:43
  you're
• 2:44
  sort
• 2:44
  it
• 2:44
  out.
• 2:45
  A
• 2:45
  reference
• 2:45
  to
• 2:46
  Howard
• 2:46
  Wilkinson's
• 2:47
  availability
• 2:48
  as
• 2:48
  a
• 2:48
  potential
• 2:49
  caretaker.
• 2:50
  So
• 2:51
  suddenly
• 2:51
  Wembley
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  is
• 2:52
  Coming
• 2:52
  down.
• 2:52
  That's
• 2:52
  the
• 2:53
  end
• 2:53
  of
• 2:53
  one
• 2:53
  era
• 2:54
  and
• 2:54
  the
• 2:54
  FA
• 2:55
  are
• 2:55
  starting
• 2:55
  to
• 2:55
  wonder
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  whether
• 2:56
  it
• 2:56
  should
• 2:56
  be
• 2:57
  the
• 2:57
  end
• 2:57
  of
• 2:57
  this
• 2:58
  tradition
• 2:58
  of,
• 2:59
  of
• 2:59
  Englishness,
• 3:00
  English
• 3:00
  coaches
• 3:01
  teaching
• 3:02
  the
• 3:02
  English
• 3:02
  way.
• 3:03
  They'd
• 3:04
  had
• 3:04
  a
• 3:04
  couple
• 3:04
  of
• 3:04
  years
• 3:04
  with
• 3:04
  Keegan
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  where
• 3:05
  he'd
• 3:06
  adopted
• 3:06
  an
• 3:06
  approach
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  that
• 3:07
  could
• 3:07
  be
• 3:07
  described
• 3:08
  as
• 3:09
  a
• 3:09
  throwback
• 3:10
  approach,
• 3:10
  really
• 3:11
  betting
• 3:11
  schools
• 3:12
  in
• 3:12
  the,
• 3:12
  in
• 3:12
  the
• 3:13
  camp
• 3:13
  and
• 3:14
  race
• 3:14
  nights.
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  A
• 3:15
  very
• 3:15
  direct
• 3:16
  and
• 3:16
  straightforward
• 3:17
  style
• 3:17
  of
• 3:17
  play,
• 3:18
  a
• 3:18
  lot
• 3:18
  of
• 3:18
  up
• 3:18
  and
• 3:18
  atom,
• 3:18
  a
• 3:19
  lot
• 3:19
  of
• 3:19
  pride
• 3:19
  and
• 3:19
  passion,
• 3:20
  all
• 3:20
  very
• 3:21
  English.
• 3:21
  And
• 3:22
  there
• 3:22
  were
• 3:22
  a
• 3:23
  modernizers
• 3:23
  at
• 3:23
  the
• 3:23
  FA
• 3:24
  at
• 3:24
  that
• 3:24
  point,
• 3:24
  led
• 3:25
  by
• 3:25
  Adam
• 3:26
  Crozier
• 3:26
  and
• 3:26
  David
• 3:27
  Dean.
• 3:27
  Crozier
• 3:28
  was
• 3:28
  a
• 3:28
  Scottish
• 3:29
  Sachi
• 3:30
  and
• 3:30
  Sachi
• 3:30
  executive
• 3:31
  who
• 3:31
  somehow
• 3:32
  found
• 3:32
  himself
• 3:32
  running
• 3:32
  the,
• 3:33
  the
• 3:33
  Football
• 3:33
  Association.
• 3:34
  David
• 3:34
  Dean,
• 3:35
  as
• 3:35
  we
• 3:35
  know,
• 3:35
  had
• 3:35
  brought
• 3:36
  Arsene
• 3:36
  Wenger
• 3:37
  to,
• 3:37
  to
• 3:38
  Arsenal.
• 3:38
  So
• 3:39
  these
• 3:39
  guys
• 3:39
  were
• 3:39
  looking
• 3:39
  at
• 3:40
  this
• 3:40
  situation
• 3:40
  and
• 3:41
  thinking,
• 3:41
  we
• 3:41
  need
• 3:41
  a
• 3:41
  change
• 3:42
  here.
• 3:42
  So
• 3:42
  you've
• 3:43
  got,
• 3:43
  as
• 3:43
  you
• 3:43
  say,
• 3:43
  you've
• 3:43
  got
• 3:43
  David
• 3:44
  Dean,
• 3:44
  who'd
• 3:44
  had
• 3:44
  great
• 3:44
  success
• 3:45
  with
• 3:45
  Wenger,
• 3:45
  he'd
• 3:45
  won
• 3:46
  the
• 3:46
  double
• 3:46
  in
• 3:46
  98.
• 3:46
  So
• 3:47
  he
• 3:47
  can
• 3:47
  immediately
• 3:47
  say
• 3:47
  to
• 3:48
  the
• 3:48
  FA,
• 3:48
  oh,
• 3:48
  go
• 3:49
  overseas.
• 3:49
  You've
• 3:50
  seen
• 3:50
  it's
• 3:50
  work
• 3:50
  with
• 3:50
  my
• 3:50
  club.
• 3:51
  And
• 3:51
  you've
• 3:51
  got
• 3:51
  Adam
• 3:52
  Crozier,
• 3:52
  who
• 3:52
  you
• 3:52
  describe
• 3:53
  as
• 3:53
  a
• 3:53
  disruptor
• 3:54
  because
• 3:54
  he
• 3:54
  wasn't
• 3:54
  immersed
• 3:55
  in
• 3:55
  football
• 3:55
  administration.
• 3:56
  He'd
• 3:57
  been
• 3:57
  at
• 3:57
  Saatchi
• 3:57
  and
• 3:58
  Saatchi.
• 3:59
  And
• 3:59
  why
• 3:59
  do
• 3:59
  you
• 4:00
  think
• 4:00
  it
• 4:00
  is
• 4:00
  that
• 4:00
  they
• 4:00
  alighted
• 4:01
  upon
• 4:01
  Svenjer
• 4:02
  and
• 4:02
  Eriksen,
• 4:02
  whose
• 4:03
  record
• 4:03
  in
• 4:04
  Portugal
• 4:04
  and
• 4:04
  Italy
• 4:05
  was
• 4:05
  actually
• 4:06
  outstanding.
• 4:06
  And
• 4:07
  I
• 4:07
  think
• 4:07
  it
• 4:07
  might
• 4:07
  surprise
• 4:08
  people
• 4:09
  just
• 4:09
  how
• 4:09
  good
• 4:10
  his
• 4:10
  record
• 4:10
  had
• 4:11
  been.
• 4:11
  Well,
• 4:11
  he'd
• 4:11
  won
• 4:11
  the
• 4:12
  UEFA
• 4:12
  cup
• 4:12
  with
• 4:12
  Gothenburg,
• 4:13
  which
• 4:13
  was
• 4:13
  astonishing
• 4:14
  because
• 4:14
  they
• 4:14
  were
• 4:14
  basically
• 4:14
  part
• 4:15
  time,
• 4:15
  weren't
• 4:15
  they?
• 4:16
  And
• 4:16
  that
• 4:16
  had
• 4:16
  attracted
• 4:17
  him
• 4:17
  to
• 4:17
  Benfica
• 4:18
  and
• 4:18
  then
• 4:18
  to
• 4:18
  Roma,
• 4:19
  Fiorentina,
• 4:20
  Sampdori
• 4:20
  and
• 4:20
  Lazio,
• 4:21
  where
• 4:21
  he
• 4:21
  won
• 4:21
  the
• 4:22
  title
• 4:22
  only
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  second
• 4:22
  time
• 4:23
  they,
• 4:23
  they'd
• 4:23
  won
• 4:23
  it.
• 4:23
  Obviously
• 4:24
  they
• 4:24
  looked
• 4:24
  at
• 4:24
  that
• 4:25
  and
• 4:25
  thought,
• 4:25
  wow,
• 4:25
  if
• 4:25
  this
• 4:26
  man
• 4:26
  from
• 4:26
  Sweden
• 4:26
  can
• 4:27
  do
• 4:27
  all
• 4:27
  this,
• 4:27
  he
• 4:27
  could
• 4:27
  do
• 4:28
  something
• 4:28
  for
• 4:28
  us.
• 4:28
  Yeah.
• 4:29
  In
• 4:29
  22
• 4:29
  years
• 4:30
  of
• 4:30
  coaching,
• 4:30
  he'd
• 4:30
  won
• 4:31
  Serie
• 4:31
  A,
• 4:31
  Sweden's
• 4:32
  league
• 4:32
  title,
• 4:32
  three
• 4:33
  championships
• 4:33
  in
• 4:33
  Portugal,
• 4:34
  two
• 4:34
  Italian
• 4:34
  Cups,
• 4:35
  a
• 4:35
  UEFA
• 4:35
  cup
• 4:35
  and
• 4:36
  a
• 4:36
  European
• 4:36
  Cup
• 4:36
  Winners
• 4:37
  Cup.
• 4:37
  This
• 4:37
  man
• 4:37
  was
• 4:38
  not
• 4:38
  a
• 4:38
  fraud.
• 4:39
  And
• 4:40
  when
• 4:40
  they
• 4:40
  drew
• 4:40
  up
• 4:41
  a
• 4:41
  list
• 4:41
  of
• 4:41
  potential
• 4:42
  replacements
• 4:43
  for
• 4:43
  Keegan,
• 4:43
  the
• 4:44
  FA
• 4:44
  had
• 4:45
  Marcelo
• 4:45
  Lippi,
• 4:46
  Eriksen,
• 4:46
  Johan
• 4:46
  Cruyff,
• 4:47
  Amy
• 4:47
  Jacques
• 4:48
  Gerard,
• 4:48
  Julia,
• 4:49
  Arsene
• 4:49
  Wenger,
• 4:51
  Sir
• 4:51
  Alex
• 4:51
  Ferguson.
• 4:51
  He
• 4:52
  was
• 4:52
  always
• 4:52
  on
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  list
• 4:52
  and
• 4:52
  he
• 4:53
  always
• 4:53
  said
• 4:53
  no
• 4:53
  within
• 4:53
  10
• 4:54
  minutes
• 4:54
  of
• 4:54
  them
• 4:54
  asking
• 4:54
  him.
• 4:55
  So
• 4:56
  it's
• 4:56
  a
• 4:56
  high
• 4:56
  class
• 4:57
  list
• 4:57
  and
• 4:57
  it's
• 4:57
  a
• 4:57
  cosmopolitan
• 4:58
  list.
• 4:58
  When
• 4:58
  they
• 4:58
  went
• 4:59
  to
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  players
• 4:59
  to
• 4:59
  say
• 5:00
  who
• 5:00
  they
• 5:00
  wanted,
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  players
• 5:01
  were
• 5:02
  almost
• 5:02
  unanimous
• 5:02
  in
• 5:03
  favor
• 5:03
  of
• 5:03
  Terry
• 5:03
  Venables.
• 5:04
  They
• 5:04
  wanted
• 5:04
  to
• 5:04
  bring
• 5:04
  Terry
• 5:05
  Venables
• 5:05
  back.
• 5:06
  The
• 5:06
  FA
• 5:07
  didn't
• 5:07
  want
• 5:07
  to
• 5:07
  do
• 5:07
  that
• 5:08
  for
• 5:08
  various
• 5:08
  reasons.
• 5:09
  Well,
• 5:09
  they
• 5:09
  didn't
• 5:09
  want
• 5:10
  everything
• 5:10
  that.
• 5:10
  The
• 5:10
  reason
• 5:11
  they
• 5:11
  relieved
• 5:11
  him
• 5:11
  in
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  first
• 5:12
  place
• 5:12
  to
• 5:12
  come
• 5:12
  back,
• 5:12
  all
• 5:12
  the
• 5:13
  issues
• 5:13
  about
• 5:13
  his
• 5:13
  business
• 5:13
  interests.
• 5:14
  Yeah.
• 5:15
  And
• 5:15
  I
• 5:15
  think
• 5:16
  they
• 5:16
  were
• 5:16
  set
• 5:16
  on
• 5:16
  this
• 5:17
  course
• 5:17
  of
• 5:18
  breaking
• 5:18
  the
• 5:18
  mold
• 5:19
  and
• 5:19
  saying,
• 5:19
  okay,
• 5:19
  England
• 5:20
  haven't
• 5:20
  had
• 5:20
  a
• 5:21
  foreign
• 5:21
  manager
• 5:22
  yet,
• 5:22
  but
• 5:22
  we're
• 5:22
  going
• 5:22
  to
• 5:23
  get
• 5:23
  one.
• 5:23
  Because
• 5:23
  we're
• 5:24
  kind
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  on
• 5:24
  our
• 5:24
  knees
• 5:25
  here
• 5:25
  and
• 5:25
  we
• 5:25
  need
• 5:25
  an
• 5:26
  infusion
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  something
• 5:27
  else,
• 5:28
  something
• 5:28
  more
• 5:29
  continental,
• 5:30
  something
• 5:30
  more
• 5:30
  mainstream.
• 5:31
  And
• 5:32
  actually,
• 5:32
  we
• 5:32
  shouldn't
• 5:33
  underestimate
• 5:33
  the
• 5:34
  role
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  temperament,
• 5:35
  because
• 5:35
  Keegan
• 5:35
  had
• 5:36
  been
• 5:36
  a
• 5:36
  very,
• 5:36
  you
• 5:36
  know,
• 5:37
  emotional
• 5:38
  kind
• 5:38
  of
• 5:38
  leader
• 5:39
  and
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  handful
• 5:40
  at
• 5:40
  times
• 5:41
  for
• 5:41
  the
• 5:41
  fa,
• 5:42
  who
• 5:42
  he
• 5:42
  didn't
• 5:43
  particularly
• 5:43
  enjoy
• 5:43
  working
• 5:44
  for.
• 5:44
  So
• 5:45
  Erickson
• 5:45
  had
• 5:45
  this
• 5:45
  kind
• 5:46
  of
• 5:46
  glacial
• 5:47
  calm.
• 5:47
  I
• 5:48
  started
• 5:48
  calling
• 5:48
  him
• 5:48
  Zengor
• 5:49
  and
• 5:49
  Ericsson
• 5:49
  in
• 5:49
  the,
• 5:50
  in
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  paper
• 5:50
  because
• 5:50
  he
• 5:51
  was
• 5:51
  so
• 5:52
  placid
• 5:52
  and
• 5:52
  in
• 5:53
  control
• 5:53
  and
• 5:54
  he
• 5:54
  was
• 5:54
  a
• 5:55
  kind
• 5:55
  of
• 5:55
  sage.
• 5:55
  You
• 5:56
  know,
• 5:56
  I'd
• 5:56
  said
• 5:56
  he,
• 5:57
  he
• 5:57
  looked
• 5:57
  like
• 5:57
  a
• 5:57
  Swedish
• 5:58
  government
• 5:58
  minister.
• 5:59
  Very
• 5:59
  sophisticated
• 6:00
  man,
• 6:00
  very
• 6:00
  well
• 6:00
  educated.
• 6:01
  He
• 6:01
  was
• 6:02
  into
• 6:02
  fine
• 6:02
  wine
• 6:02
  and
• 6:03
  Tibetan
• 6:03
  poetry
• 6:04
  and
• 6:04
  he
• 6:04
  read
• 6:04
  philosophy
• 6:05
  and
• 6:05
  he
• 6:05
  could
• 6:05
  speak
• 6:06
  four
• 6:06
  languages
• 6:07
  and
• 6:07
  he,
• 6:07
  and
• 6:07
  he
• 6:07
  could
• 6:08
  carry
• 6:08
  himself.
• 6:09
  So
• 6:09
  I
• 6:09
  think
• 6:09
  part
• 6:09
  of
• 6:09
  the
• 6:09
  appeal
• 6:10
  for
• 6:10
  the
• 6:10
  FAA
• 6:10
  was
• 6:10
  to
• 6:11
  get
• 6:11
  a
• 6:11
  guy
• 6:11
  who
• 6:12
  wasn't
• 6:12
  going
• 6:12
  to
• 6:12
  give
• 6:12
  them
• 6:12
  any
• 6:13
  problems
• 6:13
  and
• 6:13
  would
• 6:13
  calm
• 6:14
  things
• 6:14
  down
• 6:15
  and,
• 6:15
  and,
• 6:16
  and,
• 6:16
  and
• 6:16
  bring
• 6:17
  England
• 6:17
  into
• 6:17
  the
• 6:18
  European
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  sophisticated
• 6:20
  football.
• 6:20
  You
• 6:21
  can
• 6:21
  understand
• 6:21
  it,
• 6:21
  can't
• 6:21
  you?
• 6:22
  Because
• 6:22
  England
• 6:22
  had
• 6:22
  had
• 6:23
  five
• 6:23
  English
• 6:24
  managers
• 6:24
  of
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  national
• 6:25
  team
• 6:25
  in
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  90s.
• 6:26
  Bobby
• 6:26
  Robson,
• 6:27
  Graham
• 6:27
  Taylor,
• 6:28
  Terry
• 6:28
  Van
• 6:28
  Wilson,
• 6:29
  Glenn
• 6:29
  Hoddle,
• 6:29
  Kevin
• 6:29
  Keegan.
• 6:30
  That's
• 6:30
  a
• 6:30
  hoo
• 6:31
  hoo
• 6:31
  of
• 6:31
  players
• 6:31
  and
• 6:32
  managers
• 6:32
  at
• 6:32
  the
• 6:32
  time.
• 6:33
  So
• 6:33
  you
• 6:33
  can
• 6:33
  understand
• 6:34
  it
• 6:34
  a
• 6:34
  little
• 6:34
  bit
• 6:34
  that
• 6:35
  they
• 6:35
  looked
• 6:35
  at
• 6:35
  this
• 6:36
  calm,
• 6:36
  detached
• 6:37
  Eurocrat,
• 6:38
  if
• 6:38
  you
• 6:38
  want
• 6:38
  to
• 6:39
  call
• 6:39
  him
• 6:39
  that,
• 6:39
  who'd
• 6:40
  had
• 6:40
  great
• 6:40
  success
• 6:41
  in
• 6:41
  Spain
• 6:41
  and
• 6:41
  Italy.
• 6:42
  And
• 6:42
  because
• 6:42
  he'd
• 6:43
  had
• 6:43
  success
• 6:43
  in
• 6:43
  Italy,
• 6:44
  which
• 6:44
  was
• 6:45
  a
• 6:45
  very
• 6:45
  strong
• 6:45
  league,
• 6:46
  particularly
• 6:46
  in
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  early
• 6:46
  90s,
• 6:47
  they
• 6:47
  must
• 6:47
  have
• 6:47
  thought,
• 6:47
  ah,
• 6:48
  here's
• 6:48
  a
• 6:48
  tactically
• 6:49
  savvy
• 6:49
  man.
• 6:50
  What
• 6:50
  sor.
• 6:51
  Football
• 6:51
  coach
• 6:51
  were
• 6:52
  they
• 6:52
  getting?
• 6:52
  What.
• 6:52
  What
• 6:53
  did
• 6:53
  his
• 6:53
  cv,
• 6:53
  apart
• 6:54
  from
• 6:54
  saying
• 6:54
  that
• 6:54
  it
• 6:54
  won
• 6:55
  in
• 6:55
  Italy
• 6:55
  and
• 6:55
  Portugal?
• 6:56
  What
• 6:56
  did
• 6:56
  it
• 6:56
  say
• 6:56
  about
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  way
• 6:57
  that
• 6:57
  he
• 6:57
  went
• 6:57
  about
• 6:58
  coaching
• 6:58
  footballers?
• 6:59
  Well,
• 6:59
  that
• 7:00
  is
• 7:00
  interesting
• 7:00
  because
• 7:01
  Ericsson
• 7:01
  had
• 7:01
  been
• 7:02
  steeped
• 7:02
  in
• 7:02
  the
• 7:03
  English
• 7:03
  way
• 7:03
  himself.
• 7:04
  Actually,
• 7:04
  in
• 7:04
  4,
• 7:05
  4,
• 7:05
  2,
• 7:06
  the
• 7:06
  English
• 7:06
  coaches
• 7:06
  that
• 7:07
  went
• 7:07
  out
• 7:07
  to
• 7:07
  Sweden
• 7:07
  and
• 7:08
  taught
• 7:08
  442,
• 7:08
  he'd
• 7:09
  come
• 7:09
  over
• 7:09
  to
• 7:09
  England.
• 7:10
  Being
• 7:10
  one
• 7:11
  of
• 7:11
  them,
• 7:11
  wasn't
• 7:11
  Roy
• 7:11
  Hodgson.
• 7:11
  Was
• 7:12
  one
• 7:12
  of
• 7:12
  them.
• 7:12
  He'd
• 7:12
  come
• 7:12
  to
• 7:12
  English
• 7:13
  grounds,
• 7:13
  he
• 7:13
  went
• 7:13
  to
• 7:13
  see
• 7:13
  Bobby
• 7:14
  Robson
• 7:14
  and
• 7:14
  he
• 7:14
  went
• 7:14
  to
• 7:14
  Liverpool
• 7:15
  to
• 7:15
  look
• 7:16
  at
• 7:16
  the
• 7:16
  style
• 7:16
  of
• 7:16
  play.
• 7:16
  And
• 7:17
  he
• 7:17
  was
• 7:17
  very
• 7:17
  much
• 7:17
  a,
• 7:18
  a
• 7:18
  devotee
• 7:19
  of,
• 7:19
  of
• 7:20
  direct
• 7:20
  football
• 7:21
  from
• 7:21
  the
• 7:21
  beginning.
• 7:21
  But
• 7:22
  his
• 7:22
  work
• 7:22
  in
• 7:22
  Europe,
• 7:23
  in
• 7:23
  Portugal
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  Italy,
• 7:24
  had
• 7:25
  forced
• 7:25
  him
• 7:25
  to
• 7:26
  adapt.
• 7:27
  You
• 7:27
  know,
• 7:27
  you
• 7:27
  don't
• 7:27
  go
• 7:27
  to
• 7:28
  Portugal
• 7:28
  and,
• 7:28
  and
• 7:29
  hit
• 7:29
  the
• 7:29
  ball
• 7:29
  long
• 7:29
  up
• 7:29
  to
• 7:30
  a
• 7:30
  big
• 7:30
  striker
• 7:30
  and
• 7:31
  feed
• 7:31
  off
• 7:31
  knockdowns
• 7:32
  or
• 7:32
  hit
• 7:32
  channel
• 7:32
  balls.
• 7:33
  So
• 7:33
  Ericsson
• 7:34
  had,
• 7:34
  had,
• 7:34
  had
• 7:35
  widened
• 7:35
  his
• 7:35
  palette
• 7:36
  in
• 7:36
  European
• 7:37
  football.
• 7:37
  And
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  think
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  FA
• 7:38
  must
• 7:39
  have
• 7:39
  thought
• 7:39
  that
• 7:39
  when
• 7:39
  he
• 7:39
  came
• 7:39
  to
• 7:40
  England
• 7:40
  he'd
• 7:40
  bring
• 7:41
  European
• 7:42
  football
• 7:42
  to
• 7:43
  England.
• 7:43
  In
• 7:43
  fact,
• 7:44
  he
• 7:44
  did
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  opposite.
• 7:45
  After
• 7:45
  experimenting
• 7:46
  very
• 7:46
  briefly
• 7:47
  or
• 7:47
  considering
• 7:48
  the
• 7:48
  possibility
• 7:48
  that
• 7:49
  England
• 7:49
  might
• 7:49
  get
• 7:49
  the,
• 7:50
  and
• 7:50
  play
• 7:50
  possession
• 7:51
  football,
• 7:52
  he
• 7:52
  decided
• 7:53
  that
• 7:53
  the
• 7:53
  native
• 7:53
  strengths
• 7:54
  of
• 7:54
  the
• 7:54
  players
• 7:54
  he
• 7:54
  was
• 7:54
  dealing
• 7:55
  with
• 7:56
  were
• 7:56
  channel
• 7:56
  balls
• 7:57
  and
• 7:57
  direct
• 7:57
  play
• 7:58
  and
• 7:58
  getting
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  ball
• 7:59
  forward
• 7:59
  and
• 7:59
  bypassing
• 8:00
  midfield.
• 8:01
  So
• 8:01
  he
• 8:01
  reverted
• 8:02
  to
• 8:02
  an
• 8:02
  English
• 8:02
  style
• 8:03
  of
• 8:03
  play,
• 8:03
  which
• 8:03
  is
• 8:03
  really
• 8:04
  what
• 8:04
  we
• 8:04
  were
• 8:04
  trying
• 8:04
  to
• 8:04
  get
• 8:05
  away
• 8:05
  from.
• 8:05
  What
• 8:06
  do
• 8:06
  you
• 8:06
  remember
• 8:06
  of
• 8:06
  the
• 8:07
  first
• 8:07
  press
• 8:07
  conference
• 8:07
  when
• 8:08
  he
• 8:08
  was
• 8:08
  announced?
• 8:09
  Ah,
• 8:09
  well,
• 8:09
  it
• 8:10
  was
• 8:10
  like
• 8:10
  a.
• 8:11
  It
• 8:11
  was
• 8:11
  as
• 8:12
  if
• 8:12
  the
• 8:12
  FA
• 8:12
  had
• 8:13
  captured
• 8:13
  a
• 8:13
  kind
• 8:13
  of
• 8:14
  exotic
• 8:14
  creature,
• 8:14
  you
• 8:15
  know,
• 8:15
  from
• 8:16
  the
• 8:16
  upper
• 8:16
  reaches
• 8:17
  of
• 8:17
  European
• 8:17
  football.
• 8:18
  And
• 8:18
  there
• 8:18
  was
• 8:18
  a
• 8:18
  guy
• 8:18
  outside
• 8:19
  dressed
• 8:19
  in
• 8:19
  a
• 8:20
  John
• 8:20
  Bull
• 8:21
  outfit
• 8:22
  holding
• 8:22
  up
• 8:22
  a
• 8:22
  sign
• 8:23
  which
• 8:23
  said,
• 8:24
  the
• 8:24
  FA
• 8:25
  hang
• 8:25
  your
• 8:25
  head
• 8:26
  in
• 8:26
  shame.
• 8:26
  You
• 8:26
  know,
• 8:27
  by
• 8:27
  some
• 8:27
  it
• 8:27
  was
• 8:28
  seen
• 8:28
  as
• 8:28
  a
• 8:28
  kind
• 8:28
  of
• 8:28
  violation
• 8:29
  of
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  English
• 8:30
  birthright.
• 8:31
  This
• 8:31
  was
• 8:31
  a,
• 8:31
  an
• 8:32
  abject
• 8:32
  surrender
• 8:33
  to
• 8:33
  abroad
• 8:34
  because
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  English
• 8:36
  ought
• 8:36
  to
• 8:36
  have
• 8:36
  been
• 8:36
  able
• 8:37
  to
• 8:37
  summon
• 8:37
  from
• 8:38
  their
• 8:38
  own
• 8:38
  ranks
• 8:38
  a
• 8:38
  coach
• 8:39
  capable
• 8:39
  of
• 8:39
  leading
• 8:40
  the
• 8:40
  national
• 8:40
  team.
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  have
• 8:41
  some
• 8:41
  sympathy
• 8:42
  with
• 8:42
  that
• 8:42
  idea,
• 8:43
  actually.
• 8:43
  I
• 8:43
  think
• 8:43
  ideally
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  country
• 8:44
  should
• 8:44
  be
• 8:44
  led
• 8:45
  by
• 8:45
  somebody
• 8:45
  from
• 8:45
  the
• 8:46
  country
• 8:46
  that
• 8:46
  he's
• 8:46
  representing.
• 8:47
  That's
• 8:47
  just
• 8:47
  what
• 8:47
  international
• 8:48
  football
• 8:48
  is.
• 8:48
  But
• 8:48
  at
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  same
• 8:49
  time,
• 8:50
  there
• 8:50
  was
• 8:50
  a
• 8:50
  sort
• 8:51
  of,
• 8:51
  there
• 8:51
  was
• 8:51
  a
• 8:51
  tinge
• 8:52
  in
• 8:52
  relation
• 8:52
  to
• 8:52
  Ericsson.
• 8:53
  There
• 8:53
  was
• 8:53
  a
• 8:53
  xenophobia
• 8:54
  about
• 8:54
  it,
• 8:54
  wasn't
• 8:54
  there?
• 8:55
  Well,
• 8:55
  yeah,
• 8:55
  there
• 8:55
  was
• 8:56
  just
• 8:56
  this
• 8:56
  idea,
• 8:57
  the
• 8:57
  old
• 8:57
  English
• 8:57
  arrogance,
• 8:58
  that
• 8:58
  we
• 8:58
  don't
• 8:58
  need
• 8:58
  to
• 8:59
  learn
• 8:59
  anything.
• 8:59
  There's
• 8:59
  nobody
• 9:00
  can
• 9:00
  teach
• 9:00
  us
• 9:00
  anything.
• 9:00
  We
• 9:00
  don't
• 9:01
  need
• 9:01
  help
• 9:01
  from
• 9:01
  abroad,
• 9:02
  we
• 9:02
  don't
• 9:02
  need
• 9:02
  international
• 9:03
  rescue.
• 9:03
  We
• 9:04
  invented
• 9:04
  the
• 9:04
  game,
• 9:04
  we
• 9:04
  already
• 9:05
  know
• 9:05
  how
• 9:06
  it
• 9:06
  works
• 9:06
  and
• 9:06
  we,
• 9:06
  and
• 9:07
  we
• 9:07
  should
• 9:07
  be
• 9:07
  able
• 9:07
  to
• 9:07
  solve
• 9:08
  these
• 9:08
  problems
• 9:08
  ourselves.
• 9:09
  So
• 9:09
  it
• 9:09
  was
• 9:09
  quite
• 9:10
  unpleasant.
• 9:10
  And
• 9:10
  again,
• 9:11
  Erickson,
• 9:11
  with
• 9:12
  his
• 9:12
  kind
• 9:12
  of
• 9:14
  phlegmatic,
• 9:15
  glacial
• 9:15
  demeanor,
• 9:17
  just
• 9:17
  sailed
• 9:18
  straight
• 9:18
  through
• 9:18
  that
• 9:18
  quite
• 9:19
  nicely
• 9:19
  if
• 9:20
  you
• 9:20
  think
• 9:20
  about
• 9:20
  it.
• 9:20
  Everyone's
• 9:21
  doing
• 9:21
  this.
• 9:21
  We're
• 9:21
  now
• 9:21
  early
• 9:22
  stages
• 9:22
  of
• 9:22
  2001.
• 9:23
  England
• 9:23
  hadn't
• 9:23
  won
• 9:23
  anything
• 9:24
  since
• 9:24
  1966.
• 9:25
  Hint,
• 9:26
  still
• 9:26
  haven't.
• 9:26
  So
• 9:27
  actually
• 9:27
  the
• 9:27
  fact
• 9:27
  that,
• 9:27
  you
• 9:27
  know,
• 9:28
  England
• 9:28
  can
• 9:28
  summon
• 9:28
  it
• 9:28
  up
• 9:29
  from
• 9:29
  their
• 9:29
  own
• 9:29
  ranks
• 9:30
  is
• 9:30
  something
• 9:30
  else.
• 9:30
  I
• 9:31
  like
• 9:31
  what
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  said
• 9:31
  about
• 9:31
  exotic
• 9:32
  creature.
• 9:33
  It
• 9:33
  reminds
• 9:33
  me
• 9:33
  of
• 9:33
  Those
• 9:34
  lectures
• 9:34
  they
• 9:34
  used
• 9:34
  to
• 9:34
  give
• 9:35
  at
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  Royal
• 9:35
  Geographic
• 9:36
  Society,
• 9:36
  didn't
• 9:36
  they,
• 9:37
  in
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  late
• 9:37
  1890s,
• 9:38
  when
• 9:38
  they
• 9:38
  brought
• 9:38
  back
• 9:38
  a
• 9:39
  parakeet
• 9:40
  from
• 9:40
  wherever
• 9:40
  and
• 9:41
  put
• 9:41
  it
• 9:41
  in
• 9:41
  a
• 9:41
  cage
• 9:41
  and
• 9:41
  went,
• 9:42
  look
• 9:42
  at
• 9:42
  this
• 9:42
  amazing
• 9:43
  bird
• 9:43
  with
• 9:43
  its
• 9:43
  fine
• 9:44
  plumage.
• 9:44
  We
• 9:44
  found
• 9:45
  one,
• 9:45
  and
• 9:45
  now
• 9:45
  we're
• 9:45
  gonna
• 9:45
  have
• 9:46
  one
• 9:46
  here.
• 9:46
  Yeah,
• 9:46
  he
• 9:47
  was
• 9:47
  almost
• 9:47
  like
• 9:47
  that,
• 9:47
  wasn't
• 9:48
  he,
• 9:48
  in
• 9:48
  a
• 9:48
  ca.
• 9:48
  Up
• 9:48
  on
• 9:49
  the
• 9:49
  stage
• 9:49
  going,
• 9:49
  yeah,
• 9:50
  this
• 9:50
  exotic
• 9:50
  creature
• 9:51
  we've.
• 9:51
  We've
• 9:51
  brought
• 9:52
  you.
• 9:52
  And
• 9:52
  his
• 9:52
  silences
• 9:53
  radiated
• 9:54
  a
• 9:54
  kind
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  assumed
• 9:55
  profundity.
• 9:56
  You
• 9:56
  know,
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  less
• 9:57
  he
• 9:57
  said,
• 9:57
  the
• 9:57
  more
• 9:58
  brilliant
• 9:58
  we
• 9:58
  thought
• 9:59
  he
• 9:59
  was.
• 9:59
  It
• 9:59
  was
• 9:59
  a
• 10:00
  kind
• 10:00
  of.
• 10:00
  It
• 10:01
  was
• 10:01
  a
• 10:01
  genius
• 10:01
  of
• 10:02
  his,
• 10:02
  really,
• 10:02
  because
• 10:03
  there'd
• 10:03
  been
• 10:04
  lots
• 10:04
  of
• 10:04
  garrulous
• 10:04
  England
• 10:05
  managers
• 10:05
  and
• 10:05
  emotional
• 10:06
  England
• 10:06
  managers.
• 10:07
  And
• 10:07
  there.
• 10:07
  There
• 10:07
  you've
• 10:07
  got
• 10:07
  this
• 10:08
  guy
• 10:08
  with
• 10:08
  his.
• 10:08
  His
• 10:08
  spectacles
• 10:09
  and
• 10:10
  his.
• 10:10
  And
• 10:10
  his
• 10:11
  smart
• 10:11
  suit
• 10:12
  and
• 10:12
  his
• 10:12
  Tibetan
• 10:13
  poetry
• 10:13
  and
• 10:13
  his
• 10:14
  Tibetan
• 10:14
  poetry
• 10:15
  and
• 10:15
  his
• 10:15
  ability
• 10:16
  just
• 10:16
  to
• 10:16
  sort
• 10:16
  of
• 10:17
  look
• 10:17
  out
• 10:17
  across
• 10:17
  the
• 10:18
  picture
• 10:18
  and
• 10:18
  make
• 10:19
  calm
• 10:19
  decisions.
• 10:20
  Actually,
• 10:20
  that
• 10:21
  wasn't
• 10:21
  him
• 10:21
  at
• 10:21
  all.
• 10:22
  Certainly
• 10:22
  not
• 10:22
  off
• 10:23
  the
• 10:23
  pitch.
• 10:23
  But
• 10:23
  at
• 10:24
  the
• 10:24
  time,
• 10:25
  it's
• 10:25
  kind
• 10:26
  of
• 10:26
  what
• 10:26
  England
• 10:27
  needed.
• 10:28
  And
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  crucial
• 10:30
  fact
• 10:30
  about
• 10:30
  it,
• 10:30
  of
• 10:30
  course,
• 10:31
  is,
• 10:31
  you
• 10:31
  know,
• 10:31
  we
• 10:32
  talk
• 10:32
  about
• 10:32
  lucky
• 10:32
  generals.
• 10:33
  Ericsson
• 10:34
  arrived
• 10:34
  on
• 10:34
  the
• 10:34
  scene
• 10:35
  at
• 10:35
  the
• 10:35
  point
• 10:35
  where
• 10:36
  one
• 10:36
  of
• 10:36
  the
• 10:36
  best
• 10:37
  generation
• 10:37
  of
• 10:37
  English
• 10:38
  players
• 10:38
  we've
• 10:39
  ever
• 10:39
  seen
• 10:39
  was
• 10:39
  coming
• 10:39
  through
• 10:39
  the
• 10:40
  golden
• 10:40
  generation.
• 10:41
  So
• 10:41
  he's
• 10:41
  hardly
• 10:42
  short
• 10:42
  of
• 10:42
  material
• 10:43
  to
• 10:43
  work
• 10:43
  with.
• 10:44
  We're
• 10:44
  going
• 10:44
  to
• 10:44
  take
• 10:44
  a
• 10:44
  break,
• 10:45
  and
• 10:45
  when
• 10:45
  we
• 10:45
  come
• 10:45
  back,
• 10:46
  we'll
• 10:46
  talk
• 10:46
  more
• 10:46
  about
• 10:47
  Svenjer
• 10:47
  and
• 10:47
  Ericsson,
• 10:48
  the
• 10:49
  personality.
• 11:04
  So
• 11:04
  the
• 11:04
  FA
• 11:05
  think
• 11:05
  they're
• 11:06
  getting
• 11:06
  what
• 11:06
  Paul
• 11:06
  describes
• 11:07
  in
• 11:07
  his
• 11:07
  book
• 11:07
  as
• 11:07
  a
• 11:07
  sort
• 11:08
  of
• 11:08
  unflappable
• 11:08
  Eurocrat.
• 11:10
  But
• 11:10
  Svenjr
• 11:10
  Naosen
• 11:11
  gets
• 11:11
  a
• 11:11
  very
• 11:11
  early
• 11:11
  indicator
• 11:12
  of
• 11:12
  what
• 11:12
  it's
• 11:12
  like
• 11:13
  when
• 11:13
  he's
• 11:13
  having
• 11:14
  dinner
• 11:14
  in
• 11:14
  a
• 11:15
  Knightsbridge
• 11:15
  restaurant
• 11:15
  with
• 11:15
  Paul
• 11:16
  Barber,
• 11:16
  who
• 11:16
  then
• 11:16
  worked
• 11:16
  for
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  fa,
• 11:17
  now
• 11:17
  works
• 11:17
  for
• 11:17
  Brighton.
• 11:18
  And
• 11:18
  there
• 11:18
  are
• 11:19
  photographers
• 11:19
  outside,
• 11:19
  and
• 11:20
  he
• 11:20
  goes,
• 11:20
  paul,
• 11:20
  what
• 11:20
  are
• 11:20
  they
• 11:21
  all
• 11:21
  doing
• 11:21
  out
• 11:21
  there?
• 11:21
  And
• 11:21
  he
• 11:21
  goes,
• 11:22
  well,
• 11:22
  they're
• 11:22
  taking
• 11:22
  photographs
• 11:22
  of
• 11:23
  you.
• 11:23
  And
• 11:23
  he
• 11:23
  goes,
• 11:23
  well,
• 11:24
  I'm
• 11:24
  eating.
• 11:24
  I
• 11:25
  mean,
• 11:25
  that
• 11:25
  was.
• 11:25
  I
• 11:26
  think
• 11:26
  that
• 11:26
  was
• 11:26
  a
• 11:26
  Damascene
• 11:26
  moment
• 11:27
  for
• 11:27
  him
• 11:27
  where,
• 11:27
  okay,
• 11:28
  this
• 11:28
  is
• 11:28
  what
• 11:28
  it's
• 11:29
  like.
• 11:29
  But
• 11:29
  there
• 11:30
  was
• 11:30
  a
• 11:30
  Damascene
• 11:30
  moment
• 11:30
  for
• 11:30
  the
• 11:31
  FA
• 11:31
  as
• 11:31
  well,
• 11:32
  when
• 11:32
  they
• 11:32
  realized
• 11:33
  they
• 11:33
  were
• 11:33
  getting
• 11:33
  all
• 11:33
  the
• 11:33
  things
• 11:34
  you've
• 11:34
  described
• 11:34
  as
• 11:34
  a
• 11:34
  football
• 11:35
  manager,
• 11:36
  but
• 11:37
  also
• 11:37
  they
• 11:37
  were
• 11:37
  getting
• 11:37
  a
• 11:38
  man
• 11:38
  with
• 11:38
  a
• 11:38
  taste
• 11:38
  for
• 11:39
  life.
• 11:40
  Yeah,
• 11:40
  he
• 11:40
  was
• 11:40
  a
• 11:41
  kind
• 11:41
  of
• 11:41
  master
• 11:41
  of
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  game
• 11:42
  of
• 11:43
  life.
• 11:43
  He
• 11:44
  was
• 11:44
  possibly
• 11:44
  the
• 11:45
  last
• 11:45
  generation
• 11:45
  of
• 11:46
  football
• 11:46
  managers
• 11:47
  who
• 11:48
  did
• 11:48
  the
• 11:48
  job
• 11:48
  for
• 11:48
  the
• 11:49
  wealth
• 11:49
  and
• 11:50
  the
• 11:50
  fun
• 11:51
  and
• 11:51
  the
• 11:51
  access
• 11:51
  it
• 11:52
  brought
• 11:52
  him.
• 11:52
  You
• 11:52
  know,
• 11:52
  he
• 11:53
  was
• 11:53
  a
• 11:53
  player
• 11:54
  in
• 11:54
  every
• 11:54
  sense.
• 11:55
  And
• 11:56
  ironically,
• 11:57
  he
• 11:58
  Once
• 11:58
  sort
• 11:59
  of
• 11:59
  lectured
• 11:59
  the
• 11:59
  young
• 12:00
  players
• 12:00
  about
• 12:00
  staying
• 12:01
  off
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  front
• 12:01
  pages.
• 12:02
  He
• 12:02
  said,
• 12:02
  we
• 12:03
  only
• 12:03
  want
• 12:03
  to
• 12:03
  be
• 12:03
  on
• 12:03
  the
• 12:03
  back
• 12:04
  pages.
• 12:04
  Well,
• 12:05
  he
• 12:05
  spent
• 12:05
  a
• 12:06
  good
• 12:06
  part
• 12:06
  of
• 12:06
  his
• 12:06
  England
• 12:07
  career
• 12:07
  on
• 12:07
  the
• 12:07
  front
• 12:08
  pages.
• 12:08
  And
• 12:09
  we
• 12:09
  can
• 12:09
  mention
• 12:10
  them
• 12:10
  because
• 12:10
  they
• 12:11
  were
• 12:11
  relevant
• 12:11
  to
• 12:11
  the
• 12:12
  job
• 12:12
  and
• 12:12
  incredibly
• 12:13
  relevant.
• 12:13
  Yeah,
• 12:14
  it's
• 12:15
  what
• 12:15
  did
• 12:15
  for
• 12:15
  him.
• 12:16
  Yeah.
• 12:16
  And,
• 12:16
  you
• 12:17
  know,
• 12:17
  we
• 12:17
  are
• 12:17
  talking
• 12:17
  about
• 12:17
  the
• 12:17
  national
• 12:18
  team
• 12:18
  here,
• 12:18
  which
• 12:18
  is
• 12:18
  public
• 12:19
  property,
• 12:19
  so
• 12:19
  this
• 12:19
  is
• 12:19
  a
• 12:19
  public
• 12:20
  role,
• 12:20
  the
• 12:20
  England
• 12:20
  manager.
• 12:21
  So,
• 12:21
  you
• 12:21
  know,
• 12:22
  we
• 12:22
  have
• 12:22
  to
• 12:22
  mention
• 12:23
  his,
• 12:23
  his
• 12:24
  romances
• 12:25
  with
• 12:25
  Ulrike
• 12:26
  Johnson,
• 12:27
  TV
• 12:28
  star
• 12:28
  Faria
• 12:28
  Alam,
• 12:29
  who
• 12:29
  was
• 12:29
  an
• 12:29
  FA
• 12:30
  staff
• 12:30
  member
• 12:30
  who
• 12:30
  was
• 12:31
  also
• 12:32
  supposedly
• 12:32
  entangled
• 12:33
  with
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  FA
• 12:34
  chief
• 12:34
  executive.
• 12:35
  That's
• 12:35
  a
• 12:35
  very
• 12:35
  complicated
• 12:36
  one.
• 12:37
  Sven
• 12:37
  lived
• 12:37
  with
• 12:38
  a
• 12:38
  high
• 12:38
  society
• 12:39
  lawyer
• 12:39
  called
• 12:39
  Nancy
• 12:40
  Del
• 12:40
  Olio,
• 12:41
  who
• 12:41
  was
• 12:41
  great
• 12:41
  fun
• 12:42
  to
• 12:42
  be
• 12:42
  with,
• 12:42
  really
• 12:43
  eccentric,
• 12:44
  full
• 12:44
  of
• 12:45
  joie
• 12:45
  de
• 12:45
  vivre.
• 12:46
  And
• 12:46
  she
• 12:46
  loved
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  London
• 12:47
  life,
• 12:47
  you
• 12:47
  know,
• 12:47
  she
• 12:47
  loved.
• 12:48
  She
• 12:48
  was
• 12:48
  an
• 12:48
  American
• 12:48
  Italian
• 12:49
  lawyer.
• 12:49
  She
• 12:49
  was.
• 12:50
  And
• 12:50
  she,
• 12:50
  she
• 12:51
  was
• 12:51
  a.
• 12:51
  She
• 12:51
  was
• 12:51
  a
• 12:52
  born
• 12:52
  celeb.
• 12:53
  She
• 12:53
  was
• 12:53
  a
• 12:53
  star.
• 12:53
  She
• 12:54
  kind
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  twinkled.
• 12:55
  And
• 12:56
  all
• 12:56
  the
• 12:56
  time
• 12:56
  this
• 12:56
  idea
• 12:57
  of
• 12:57
  Erickson
• 12:57
  as
• 12:57
  this
• 12:57
  exotic
• 12:58
  figure,
• 12:58
  this
• 12:59
  almost
• 12:59
  footballing
• 13:00
  royalty,
• 13:00
  was
• 13:00
  being
• 13:00
  built
• 13:01
  up
• 13:01
  by
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  FA
• 13:01
  because
• 13:02
  they
• 13:02
  liked
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  idea
• 13:03
  of
• 13:03
  having
• 13:03
  a
• 13:03
  star
• 13:04
  manager.
• 13:04
  So
• 13:05
  David
• 13:05
  Davis,
• 13:05
  for
• 13:05
  example,
• 13:06
  the
• 13:06
  executive
• 13:06
  director,
• 13:07
  said
• 13:08
  some
• 13:08
  English
• 13:08
  crit
• 13:09
  critics
• 13:09
  forgot
• 13:09
  what
• 13:09
  a
• 13:10
  star
• 13:10
  Erickson
• 13:10
  was
• 13:11
  globally.
• 13:12
  Being
• 13:12
  abroad
• 13:12
  with
• 13:12
  Sven
• 13:13
  was
• 13:13
  like
• 13:14
  accompanying
• 13:14
  royalty.
• 13:16
  So
• 13:16
  parts
• 13:16
  of
• 13:16
  the
• 13:17
  FA
• 13:17
  are
• 13:17
  a
• 13:17
  bit
• 13:17
  drunk
• 13:18
  on
• 13:18
  this
• 13:18
  idea
• 13:18
  that
• 13:19
  they've
• 13:19
  got
• 13:19
  this
• 13:19
  guy
• 13:20
  who
• 13:20
  showbiz,
• 13:21
  you
• 13:21
  know,
• 13:21
  he's,
• 13:22
  he's
• 13:22
  box
• 13:22
  office.
• 13:23
  But
• 13:23
  of
• 13:23
  course,
• 13:24
  bit
• 13:24
  by
• 13:24
  bit,
• 13:25
  they
• 13:25
  started
• 13:25
  to
• 13:25
  realize
• 13:26
  that
• 13:27
  with
• 13:27
  that
• 13:28
  came
• 13:29
  again
• 13:29
  what
• 13:29
  I
• 13:30
  think
• 13:31
  one
• 13:31
  of
• 13:32
  the
• 13:32
  FA
• 13:32
  executive
• 13:33
  called
• 13:33
  upon
• 13:34
  for
• 13:35
  attractive
• 13:35
  ladies.
• 13:36
  Ordinarily
• 13:37
  that
• 13:37
  would
• 13:37
  be
• 13:37
  a
• 13:37
  private
• 13:38
  matter,
• 13:38
  but
• 13:38
  of
• 13:39
  course,
• 13:39
  the
• 13:39
  way
• 13:39
  it
• 13:40
  happened
• 13:40
  and
• 13:40
  the
• 13:40
  regularity
• 13:41
  with
• 13:41
  which
• 13:41
  it
• 13:42
  happened
• 13:42
  presented
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  FA
• 13:44
  with
• 13:44
  enormous
• 13:45
  kind
• 13:45
  of
• 13:45
  firefighting
• 13:46
  challenge,
• 13:47
  because
• 13:48
  every
• 13:48
  Saturday
• 13:48
  night
• 13:49
  somebody
• 13:49
  would
• 13:49
  be
• 13:49
  on
• 13:50
  duty
• 13:50
  at
• 13:50
  FA
• 13:50
  headquarters
• 13:51
  waiting
• 13:52
  for
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  Sunday
• 13:53
  red
• 13:53
  top
• 13:53
  first
• 13:53
  editions
• 13:54
  to
• 13:54
  drop
• 13:55
  in
• 13:55
  case
• 13:55
  Sven
• 13:55
  was
• 13:56
  in
• 13:56
  them
• 13:56
  so
• 13:56
  they
• 13:57
  could
• 13:57
  firefight.
• 13:57
  And
• 13:58
  of
• 13:58
  course,
• 13:59
  there
• 13:59
  was
• 13:59
  another
• 13:59
  type
• 14:00
  of
• 14:00
  opportunism
• 14:01
  that
• 14:01
  was
• 14:02
  even
• 14:02
  more
• 14:02
  complicated.
• 14:03
  For
• 14:03
  example,
• 14:04
  well,
• 14:04
  this
• 14:04
  is
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  bit.
• 14:04
  That
• 14:05
  nails
• 14:05
  him
• 14:05
  in
• 14:05
  the
• 14:05
  air.
• 14:05
  This
• 14:06
  is
• 14:06
  the
• 14:06
  thing.
• 14:06
  Yeah.
• 14:06
  I
• 14:06
  think
• 14:07
  almost
• 14:07
  you
• 14:07
  could
• 14:07
  get
• 14:08
  away
• 14:08
  with
• 14:08
  what
• 14:08
  happened
• 14:08
  with
• 14:09
  his
• 14:09
  private
• 14:09
  life
• 14:10
  with
• 14:10
  women.
• 14:10
  But
• 14:11
  this
• 14:11
  is
• 14:11
  the
• 14:11
  bit
• 14:11
  where
• 14:11
  in
• 14:12
  the
• 14:12
  end,
• 14:12
  I
• 14:12
  think
• 14:12
  more
• 14:12
  people,
• 14:13
  people
• 14:13
  really
• 14:13
  have
• 14:14
  sympathy
• 14:14
  with
• 14:14
  the
• 14:14
  FA.
• 14:15
  Yeah,
• 14:15
  because
• 14:15
  in
• 14:15
  July
• 14:16
  2003,
• 14:16
  for
• 14:16
  example,
• 14:17
  he
• 14:17
  snapped
• 14:18
  entering
• 14:18
  Roman
• 14:18
  Abramovich's
• 14:19
  house
• 14:19
  with
• 14:20
  the
• 14:20
  agent
• 14:21
  Pini
• 14:21
  zahavi.
• 14:21
  This
• 14:22
  is
• 14:22
  48
• 14:22
  hours
• 14:23
  after
• 14:23
  Abramovich
• 14:24
  had
• 14:24
  bought
• 14:24
  Chelsea
• 14:25
  worked
• 14:25
  audio
• 14:26
  Raniere.
• 14:26
  He
• 14:26
  was
• 14:27
  a
• 14:27
  manager
• 14:28
  two
• 14:29
  Days
• 14:29
  later,
• 14:29
  there
• 14:29
  were
• 14:29
  stories
• 14:30
  linking
• 14:31
  Chelsea
• 14:31
  with
• 14:32
  Steven
• 14:32
  Gerrard.
• 14:33
  Gerrard's
• 14:34
  an
• 14:34
  England
• 14:34
  player.
• 14:34
  Gerrard's
• 14:35
  a
• 14:35
  Liverpool
• 14:35
  player.
• 14:36
  Very
• 14:36
  unfortunate.
• 14:37
  Erickson
• 14:37
  said.
• 14:37
  I
• 14:38
  was
• 14:38
  listening
• 14:38
  to
• 14:38
  Chelsea.
• 14:39
  If
• 14:39
  you
• 14:39
  have
• 14:39
  ambition,
• 14:40
  you
• 14:40
  listen
• 14:41
  to
• 14:41
  other
• 14:41
  jobs.
• 14:42
  So
• 14:43
  that's
• 14:43
  one
• 14:44
  fire
• 14:44
  that
• 14:44
  the
• 14:44
  FAA
• 14:45
  has
• 14:45
  to
• 14:45
  put
• 14:45
  out.
• 14:45
  He
• 14:46
  was.
• 14:46
  He
• 14:46
  did
• 14:46
  attract
• 14:47
  a
• 14:47
  lot
• 14:47
  of
• 14:47
  interest
• 14:47
  from
• 14:48
  other
• 14:48
  clubs
• 14:48
  in,
• 14:48
  in
• 14:48
  Europe
• 14:49
  and
• 14:49
  each
• 14:49
  time
• 14:50
  the
• 14:50
  fa,
• 14:51
  because
• 14:52
  at
• 14:52
  that
• 14:52
  point
• 14:52
  they
• 14:52
  thought
• 14:52
  they
• 14:53
  were
• 14:53
  desperate
• 14:53
  to
• 14:53
  keep
• 14:53
  him.
• 14:54
  They
• 14:54
  kept
• 14:54
  looking
• 14:54
  after
• 14:55
  him.
• 14:56
  They
• 14:56
  gave
• 14:56
  him
• 14:56
  pay
• 14:56
  rises.
• 14:57
  You
• 14:57
  could
• 14:57
  argue
• 14:58
  he
• 14:58
  played
• 14:58
  them
• 14:58
  like.
• 14:58
  Like
• 14:58
  a
• 14:58
  great
• 14:58
  big
• 14:59
  fish.
• 15:00
  Them.
• 15:00
  Well.
• 15:00
  He
• 15:00
  played
• 15:00
  them
• 15:01
  well.
• 15:01
  But
• 15:02
  the
• 15:02
  one
• 15:02
  that
• 15:02
  did
• 15:02
  for
• 15:02
  him
• 15:03
  was
• 15:03
  the.
• 15:03
  The
• 15:04
  fake
• 15:04
  shake.
• 15:04
  So
• 15:05
  Erickson
• 15:06
  is
• 15:06
  invited
• 15:06
  to
• 15:07
  Dubai
• 15:07
  onto
• 15:08
  a
• 15:08
  yacht
• 15:08
  with
• 15:09
  Middle
• 15:09
  Eastern
• 15:09
  tycoon.
• 15:10
  This
• 15:10
  is
• 15:10
  just
• 15:10
  before
• 15:10
  the
• 15:11
  06
• 15:11
  World
• 15:11
  Cup.
• 15:11
  This
• 15:11
  is
• 15:12
  just
• 15:12
  before
• 15:12
  the
• 15:12
  06
• 15:13
  World
• 15:13
  Cup.
• 15:13
  So
• 15:14
  this
• 15:14
  is
• 15:14
  Masma
• 15:15
  Mahmoud,
• 15:16
  a
• 15:16
  man
• 15:16
  who
• 15:17
  was
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  fake
• 15:17
  shake.
• 15:17
  An
• 15:18
  undercover
• 15:18
  reporter
• 15:18
  who
• 15:18
  was
• 15:19
  later
• 15:19
  disgraced
• 15:19
  himself.
• 15:20
  Erickson
• 15:21
  was
• 15:21
  filmed
• 15:22
  saying
• 15:22
  he
• 15:22
  would
• 15:22
  be
• 15:22
  prepared
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  take
• 15:23
  over
• 15:24
  Aston
• 15:24
  Villa
• 15:25
  as
• 15:25
  part
• 15:25
  of
• 15:25
  a
• 15:25
  takeover
• 15:26
  and
• 15:26
  said
• 15:27
  David
• 15:27
  Beckham
• 15:27
  would
• 15:28
  return
• 15:28
  to
• 15:28
  England
• 15:28
  if
• 15:29
  he
• 15:29
  asked
• 15:29
  him
• 15:29
  to
• 15:30
  and
• 15:30
  suggested
• 15:30
  he
• 15:31
  would
• 15:31
  walk
• 15:31
  away
• 15:31
  if
• 15:31
  England
• 15:32
  won
• 15:32
  the
• 15:32
  World
• 15:32
  cup
• 15:33
  two
• 15:33
  years
• 15:33
  before
• 15:34
  the
• 15:34
  end
• 15:34
  of
• 15:34
  his
• 15:34
  contract.
• 15:35
  He's
• 15:35
  dead
• 15:36
  in
• 15:36
  the
• 15:36
  water
• 15:36
  at
• 15:36
  that
• 15:36
  point.
• 15:37
  Tried
• 15:37
  to
• 15:38
  pass
• 15:38
  off
• 15:38
  the
• 15:38
  conversations
• 15:39
  as
• 15:39
  fantasizing
• 15:40
  and
• 15:40
  gossip,
• 15:41
  but
• 15:41
  the
• 15:41
  FAA
• 15:41
  had
• 15:41
  had
• 15:42
  enough.
• 15:42
  Brian
• 15:42
  Barwick,
• 15:43
  the
• 15:43
  FA
• 15:43
  chief
• 15:43
  exec,
• 15:43
  said,
• 15:44
  understand
• 15:44
  me,
• 15:44
  I
• 15:44
  cannot
• 15:45
  have
• 15:45
  my
• 15:45
  Sunday
• 15:45
  mornings.
• 15:46
  You've
• 15:46
  already
• 15:46
  mentioned
• 15:46
  it.
• 15:46
  Yeah.
• 15:47
  Disturbed
• 15:47
  every
• 15:48
  week
• 15:48
  by
• 15:48
  something
• 15:48
  else
• 15:49
  you
• 15:49
  might
• 15:49
  have
• 15:50
  been
• 15:50
  doing.
• 15:50
  Yes.
• 15:51
  And
• 15:51
  he
• 15:51
  said,
• 15:51
  Sven's
• 15:52
  contract
• 15:52
  will
• 15:53
  be
• 15:53
  terminated
• 15:53
  at
• 15:54
  the
• 15:54
  end
• 15:54
  of
• 15:54
  the
• 15:55
  World
• 15:55
  Cup.
• 15:56
  That
• 15:56
  is
• 15:57
  the
• 15:57
  thing
• 15:57
  that
• 15:57
  finishes
• 15:57
  him.
• 15:58
  The
• 15:58
  fake
• 15:58
  shake
• 15:58
  expose.
• 16:00
  And
• 16:00
  I
• 16:00
  love
• 16:00
  the
• 16:00
  fact
• 16:01
  that
• 16:01
  he
• 16:02
  always
• 16:02
  had
• 16:02
  things
• 16:03
  in
• 16:03
  perspective.
• 16:03
  You've
• 16:04
  already
• 16:04
  mentioned
• 16:04
  Didi
• 16:04
  Hamanu
• 16:05
  scored
• 16:05
  that
• 16:05
  goal
• 16:05
  at
• 16:05
  Wembley
• 16:06
  and
• 16:06
  his
• 16:06
  interaction
• 16:07
  with
• 16:07
  Sven.
• 16:07
  I
• 16:08
  tell
• 16:08
  all
• 16:08
  my
• 16:08
  friends
• 16:08
  this
• 16:09
  is
• 16:09
  my
• 16:09
  favorite
• 16:09
  football
• 16:10
  story,
• 16:10
  bar
• 16:10
  none.
• 16:11
  And
• 16:11
  I'm
• 16:12
  Didi,
• 16:12
  I
• 16:13
  know,
• 16:13
  reasonably
• 16:13
  can
• 16:13
  tell
• 16:13
  me
• 16:14
  if
• 16:14
  I've
• 16:14
  got
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  exact
• 16:14
  wording
• 16:15
  wrong,
• 16:15
  but
• 16:15
  he's
• 16:16
  manager
• 16:16
  of
• 16:16
  Manchester
• 16:16
  City.
• 16:17
  The
• 16:17
  preseason
• 16:17
  tour.
• 16:18
  You
• 16:18
  know
• 16:18
  the
• 16:18
  story,
• 16:18
  don't
• 16:18
  you?
• 16:19
  I
• 16:19
  want
• 16:19
  to
• 16:19
  hear
• 16:20
  it
• 16:20
  again.
• 16:20
  Well,
• 16:20
  preseason
• 16:21
  tour,
• 16:21
  I
• 16:21
  think
• 16:21
  in
• 16:22
  Thailand,
• 16:22
  isn't
• 16:22
  it?
• 16:23
  Yeah,
• 16:23
  in
• 16:23
  Bangkok.
• 16:24
  And
• 16:24
  they've.
• 16:24
  They've
• 16:24
  done
• 16:24
  a
• 16:24
  morning's
• 16:25
  training
• 16:25
  and
• 16:25
  they're
• 16:25
  sitting
• 16:25
  by
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  pool
• 16:26
  afterwards
• 16:26
  and
• 16:26
  Sven's
• 16:27
  drinking
• 16:27
  a
• 16:27
  bottle
• 16:27
  of
• 16:27
  champagne
• 16:28
  and
• 16:28
  Eddy's
• 16:29
  going,
• 16:29
  sven,
• 16:29
  we're
• 16:29
  on
• 16:29
  pre
• 16:29
  season
• 16:30
  tour.
• 16:30
  What
• 16:30
  are
• 16:30
  you
• 16:30
  doing
• 16:30
  drinking
• 16:31
  champagne?
• 16:31
  I
• 16:31
  mean,
• 16:32
  what's
• 16:32
  all
• 16:32
  this
• 16:32
  about?
• 16:32
  And
• 16:33
  he
• 16:33
  just
• 16:33
  looks
• 16:33
  at
• 16:33
  him
• 16:33
  and
• 16:33
  goes,
• 16:34
  life
• 16:34
  there,
• 16:34
  Kaiser,
• 16:35
  life.
• 16:36
  And
• 16:36
  I
• 16:37
  mean,
• 16:37
  I
• 16:37
  love
• 16:37
  Sven
• 16:37
  for
• 16:38
  that.
• 16:38
  If
• 16:38
  nothing
• 16:38
  else,
• 16:38
  I'd
• 16:39
  also
• 16:39
  like
• 16:39
  to
• 16:39
  call
• 16:39
  a
• 16:39
  horse
• 16:40
  that
• 16:40
  I
• 16:40
  think
• 16:40
  is
• 16:40
  such
• 16:40
  a
• 16:40
  good
• 16:41
  name
• 16:41
  that.
• 16:42
  Why
• 16:42
  not?
• 16:42
  Yeah,
• 16:43
  it's
• 16:43
  there.
• 16:43
  I've
• 16:44
  got
• 16:44
  life
• 16:44
  in
• 16:44
  perspective.
• 16:45
  I
• 16:45
  think
• 16:45
  that's
• 16:46
  it.
• 16:46
  I
• 16:46
  think
• 16:46
  he
• 16:47
  was
• 16:47
  kind
• 16:47
  of
• 16:47
  serious
• 16:48
  about
• 16:48
  his
• 16:48
  work.
• 16:49
  He
• 16:49
  cared
• 16:49
  about
• 16:49
  his
• 16:50
  work,
• 16:50
  certainly,
• 16:50
  and
• 16:51
  he
• 16:51
  was
• 16:51
  heartbroken
• 16:52
  to
• 16:52
  lose
• 16:52
  the
• 16:52
  England
• 16:53
  job,
• 16:54
  but
• 16:54
  at
• 16:54
  the
• 16:54
  same
• 16:55
  time
• 16:55
  he
• 16:55
  had
• 16:56
  that
• 16:56
  lust
• 16:56
  for
• 16:56
  life.
• 16:57
  He
• 16:57
  had
• 16:57
  that
• 16:57
  ability
• 16:58
  not
• 16:58
  to
• 16:59
  take
• 16:59
  it
• 16:59
  too
• 16:59
  seriously
• 17:00
  and
• 17:00
  to
• 17:00
  see
• 17:00
  it
• 17:01
  as
• 17:01
  an
• 17:01
  opportunity,
• 17:02
  as
• 17:03
  a
• 17:03
  way
• 17:03
  to
• 17:03
  live.
• 17:03
  Well,
• 17:04
  I
• 17:04
  mean,
• 17:04
  I
• 17:05
  think
• 17:05
  it
• 17:05
  was.
• 17:05
  Martin
• 17:05
  Kellner
• 17:06
  in
• 17:06
  the.
• 17:06
  In
• 17:06
  the
• 17:06
  Guardian
• 17:07
  wrote
• 17:07
  famously,
• 17:08
  sven
• 17:08
  Johan
• 17:09
  Eriksen
• 17:09
  regards
• 17:10
  the
• 17:10
  England
• 17:10
  job
• 17:11
  as
• 17:11
  an
• 17:11
  excellent
• 17:12
  way
• 17:12
  to
• 17:12
  meet
• 17:12
  women.
• 17:15
  And
• 17:15
  there
• 17:15
  was
• 17:16
  some
• 17:16
  truth
• 17:16
  in
• 17:16
  that.
• 17:16
  Right,
• 17:17
  we'll
• 17:17
  take
• 17:17
  a
• 17:17
  break
• 17:17
  there.
• 17:17
  When
• 17:18
  we
• 17:18
  come
• 17:18
  back,
• 17:18
  it'll
• 17:18
  be
• 17:18
  Sven,
• 17:19
  the
• 17:19
  England
• 17:19
  manager
• 17:20
  on
• 17:20
  the
• 17:20
  field,
• 17:20
  and
• 17:21
  how
• 17:21
  it
• 17:21
  all
• 17:21
  unraveled
• 17:22
  for
• 17:22
  the
• 17:22
  golden
• 17:22
  gener.
• 17:39
  So
• 17:39
  Sven
• 17:39
  takes
• 17:39
  over
• 17:40
  and
• 17:40
  then
• 17:40
  he
• 17:40
  does
• 17:40
  something
• 17:41
  which
• 17:41
  really
• 17:41
  hasn't
• 17:42
  been
• 17:42
  done
• 17:42
  before
• 17:42
  or
• 17:42
  since.
• 17:43
  He
• 17:43
  goes
• 17:43
  to
• 17:43
  Germany
• 17:44
  and
• 17:44
  absolutely
• 17:44
  hammers
• 17:45
  them.
• 17:45
  You're
• 17:45
  in
• 17:45
  the
• 17:45
  ground.
• 17:45
  I
• 17:46
  was
• 17:46
  in
• 17:46
  the
• 17:46
  ground.
• 17:46
  I
• 17:46
  remember
• 17:47
  thinking,
• 17:47
  blimey,
• 17:48
  we're
• 17:48
  beating
• 17:49
  Germany
• 17:49
  51
• 17:50
  away.
• 17:51
  I
• 17:51
  mean,
• 17:51
  it
• 17:51
  was
• 17:51
  astonishing.
• 17:52
  But
• 17:52
  in
• 17:52
  a
• 17:52
  way
• 17:53
  it
• 17:53
  set
• 17:54
  the
• 17:54
  bar
• 17:54
  too
• 17:54
  high.
• 17:55
  Do
• 17:55
  you
• 17:55
  remember
• 17:55
  a
• 17:55
  few
• 17:55
  days
• 17:56
  later
• 17:56
  there
• 17:56
  was
• 17:56
  a
• 17:56
  miserable
• 17:57
  draw
• 17:57
  with
• 17:58
  Macedonia,
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  think,
• 17:59
  or
• 17:59
  somebody,
• 18:00
  but.
• 18:00
  But
• 18:00
  you
• 18:01
  realized
• 18:01
  then,
• 18:01
  didn't
• 18:02
  you,
• 18:02
  that
• 18:02
  you
• 18:03
  had
• 18:03
  Lampard,
• 18:03
  Gerrard,
• 18:04
  Scholes,
• 18:04
  Beckon,
• 18:05
  Owen,
• 18:05
  Ferdinand
• 18:06
  Rooney
• 18:06
  was
• 18:06
  about
• 18:07
  to
• 18:07
  appear.
• 18:08
  Wow,
• 18:08
  what
• 18:08
  a
• 18:08
  set
• 18:09
  of
• 18:09
  players
• 18:09
  this
• 18:10
  was.
• 18:10
  But
• 18:10
  it
• 18:11
  never
• 18:11
  quite
• 18:11
  came
• 18:12
  together.
• 18:12
  Do
• 18:12
  you
• 18:13
  put
• 18:13
  it
• 18:13
  down?
• 18:13
  As
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  said
• 18:13
  in
• 18:13
  the
• 18:14
  introduction,
• 18:14
  was
• 18:14
  it
• 18:14
  bad
• 18:15
  luck?
• 18:15
  Was
• 18:15
  it
• 18:15
  broken
• 18:16
  metatarsals?
• 18:17
  Was
• 18:17
  it
• 18:18
  tactical
• 18:18
  naivety?
• 18:19
  Was
• 18:19
  it
• 18:19
  being
• 18:19
  useless
• 18:20
  at
• 18:20
  penalties?
• 18:20
  What.
• 18:21
  What
• 18:21
  was
• 18:22
  it
• 18:22
  that
• 18:22
  stopped
• 18:22
  that
• 18:23
  generation
• 18:24
  from
• 18:24
  winning
• 18:24
  something?
• 18:25
  When
• 18:25
  he
• 18:25
  arrived,
• 18:26
  I
• 18:26
  think
• 18:26
  he
• 18:26
  looked
• 18:27
  at
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  players
• 18:27
  he
• 18:28
  had
• 18:28
  and
• 18:28
  he
• 18:28
  looked
• 18:28
  at
• 18:28
  Premier
• 18:29
  League
• 18:29
  football
• 18:29
  and
• 18:29
  thought,
• 18:30
  I
• 18:30
  can
• 18:30
  play
• 18:31
  a
• 18:31
  normal
• 18:31
  European
• 18:32
  mainstream
• 18:32
  way
• 18:33
  with
• 18:33
  these
• 18:33
  players.
• 18:34
  But
• 18:34
  I
• 18:34
  think
• 18:34
  he
• 18:35
  quickly
• 18:35
  gave
• 18:36
  up.
• 18:36
  There
• 18:36
  was
• 18:37
  a
• 18:37
  crucial
• 18:37
  sit
• 18:37
  down
• 18:38
  in
• 18:38
  South
• 18:38
  Korea
• 18:38
  before
• 18:38
  the
• 18:39
  2002
• 18:39
  World
• 18:40
  cup
• 18:41
  and
• 18:41
  Eriksen
• 18:42
  said,
• 18:42
  if
• 18:42
  you
• 18:42
  can
• 18:43
  pass
• 18:43
  six,
• 18:43
  seven
• 18:44
  or
• 18:44
  eight
• 18:44
  opponents
• 18:45
  with
• 18:45
  one
• 18:46
  pass,
• 18:46
  it
• 18:46
  is
• 18:47
  always
• 18:47
  the
• 18:47
  best
• 18:47
  pass.
• 18:48
  We
• 18:48
  shouldn't
• 18:49
  try
• 18:49
  to
• 18:49
  compete
• 18:49
  with
• 18:49
  Brazil
• 18:50
  in
• 18:50
  trying
• 18:50
  to
• 18:50
  keep
• 18:51
  the
• 18:51
  ball
• 18:51
  because
• 18:52
  we
• 18:52
  can't
• 18:52
  do
• 18:52
  it
• 18:52
  better
• 18:53
  than
• 18:53
  that,
• 18:53
  them
• 18:53
  or
• 18:53
  some
• 18:54
  other
• 18:54
  South
• 18:54
  American
• 18:55
  countries.
• 18:56
  So
• 18:56
  it
• 18:56
  was
• 18:56
  a
• 18:56
  kind
• 18:56
  of.
• 18:57
  England
• 18:57
  ended
• 18:58
  up
• 18:58
  playing
• 18:58
  a
• 18:58
  primitive
• 18:59
  style
• 18:59
  of
• 18:59
  football
• 18:59
  with
• 19:00
  a
• 19:00
  high
• 19:00
  class
• 19:00
  coach
• 19:01
  in
• 19:01
  many
• 19:01
  ways
• 19:02
  and
• 19:02
  a
• 19:02
  very
• 19:02
  good.
• 19:03
  Group
• 19:03
  of
• 19:03
  players
• 19:04
  and
• 19:04
  a
• 19:04
  court
• 19:04
  squashed
• 19:05
  into
• 19:05
  a
• 19:05
  pint
• 19:05
  pot
• 19:05
  because
• 19:06
  you
• 19:06
  had
• 19:06
  Paul
• 19:06
  Scholes,
• 19:07
  who's
• 19:07
  a
• 19:07
  magnificent
• 19:07
  footballer,
• 19:08
  Playing
• 19:08
  on
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  left
• 19:09
  hand
• 19:09
  side
• 19:09
  of
• 19:09
  a
• 19:09
  diamond
• 19:10
  and
• 19:10
  so
• 19:10
  fed
• 19:11
  up
• 19:11
  that
• 19:11
  after
• 19:11
  Euro
• 19:11
  2004
• 19:12
  in
• 19:12
  Portugal,
• 19:13
  he
• 19:13
  quit.
• 19:13
  He
• 19:13
  packed
• 19:14
  it
• 19:14
  in.
• 19:14
  Yeah.
• 19:14
  Accusation
• 19:15
  that
• 19:15
  he
• 19:15
  would
• 19:16
  not
• 19:16
  make
• 19:16
  a
• 19:16
  decision.
• 19:17
  Lampard.
• 19:17
  We
• 19:18
  still
• 19:18
  use
• 19:19
  Lampard,
• 19:19
  Gerald,
• 19:20
  today
• 19:20
  as
• 19:20
  an
• 19:20
  analogy
• 19:21
  for
• 19:21
  a
• 19:21
  football
• 19:22
  manager
• 19:22
  or
• 19:22
  frankly
• 19:23
  for
• 19:23
  a
• 19:23
  life
• 19:24
  lesson
• 19:24
  when
• 19:24
  people
• 19:24
  won't
• 19:25
  make
• 19:25
  a
• 19:25
  decision
• 19:25
  between
• 19:26
  two
• 19:26
  very
• 19:26
  good
• 19:27
  players.
• 19:27
  He
• 19:27
  just
• 19:28
  wouldn't
• 19:28
  do
• 19:28
  that.
• 19:28
  And
• 19:29
  you
• 19:29
  look
• 19:29
  at
• 19:29
  Lampard,
• 19:30
  Gerrard,
• 19:30
  Scholes
• 19:31
  and
• 19:31
  Beckham
• 19:31
  and
• 19:32
  then
• 19:32
  people
• 19:32
  like
• 19:32
  Owen,
• 19:32
  Hargreaves
• 19:33
  and
• 19:33
  Carrick
• 19:33
  and
• 19:33
  go.
• 19:34
  A
• 19:34
  more
• 19:34
  decisive
• 19:35
  manager
• 19:35
  would
• 19:36
  have
• 19:36
  gone.
• 19:36
  Right.
• 19:36
  Even
• 19:37
  if
• 19:37
  you
• 19:37
  don't
• 19:37
  like
• 19:37
  it,
• 19:38
  you're
• 19:38
  Paul
• 19:38
  playing
• 19:38
  Mark,
• 19:39
  you're
• 19:39
  on
• 19:39
  the
• 19:39
  bench,
• 19:40
  you'll
• 19:40
  play
• 19:40
  your
• 19:40
  football
• 19:40
  because
• 19:41
  you'll
• 19:41
  come
• 19:41
  off
• 19:41
  the
• 19:41
  bench.
• 19:42
  But
• 19:42
  the
• 19:42
  best
• 19:42
  team
• 19:42
  is
• 19:43
  not
• 19:43
  necessarily
• 19:43
  the
• 19:43
  best
• 19:44
  11
• 19:44
  players,
• 19:44
  it's
• 19:45
  the
• 19:45
  best
• 19:45
  team.
• 19:46
  And
• 19:46
  the
• 19:46
  way
• 19:46
  that
• 19:46
  they
• 19:47
  gel.
• 19:47
  I
• 19:47
  think
• 19:48
  you
• 19:48
  can't
• 19:48
  get
• 19:48
  away
• 19:48
  from
• 19:49
  the
• 19:49
  validity
• 19:49
  of
• 19:49
  that
• 19:49
  accusation
• 19:50
  that
• 19:50
  he
• 19:50
  would
• 19:51
  not
• 19:51
  make
• 19:51
  those
• 19:51
  decisions.
• 19:52
  No.
• 19:52
  And
• 19:52
  hundreds
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  thousands
• 19:54
  of
• 19:54
  words
• 19:55
  were
• 19:57
  and
• 19:57
  still
• 19:57
  are
• 19:58
  written
• 19:59
  about
• 19:59
  that
• 20:00
  conundrum.
• 20:01
  How
• 20:01
  do
• 20:01
  you
• 20:01
  get
• 20:01
  all
• 20:01
  these
• 20:02
  good
• 20:02
  players
• 20:02
  into.
• 20:03
  Into
• 20:03
  one
• 20:03
  team
• 20:04
  in
• 20:04
  particular?
• 20:04
  It
• 20:04
  was
• 20:05
  Lampard,
• 20:06
  Gerrard,
• 20:07
  Scholes
• 20:08
  and
• 20:08
  Beckham
• 20:08
  into
• 20:08
  a
• 20:09
  single
• 20:09
  midfield.
• 20:10
  Now,
• 20:11
  if
• 20:11
  you're
• 20:11
  being
• 20:12
  paid
• 20:12
  sort
• 20:12
  of
• 20:12
  £4
• 20:12
  million
• 20:13
  a
• 20:13
  year
• 20:13
  to
• 20:14
  be
• 20:14
  England
• 20:14
  manager,
• 20:14
  you.
• 20:15
  You
• 20:15
  have
• 20:15
  to
• 20:15
  solve
• 20:15
  that
• 20:15
  problem.
• 20:16
  Yes.
• 20:16
  So
• 20:16
  I
• 20:16
  think
• 20:17
  202.
• 20:17
  I
• 20:17
  don't
• 20:18
  think
• 20:18
  realistically
• 20:18
  they're
• 20:18
  ever
• 20:18
  going
• 20:19
  to
• 20:19
  beat
• 20:19
  Cafu.
• 20:19
  Ronaldo.
• 20:20
  Ronaldinho.
• 20:20
  Ronaldo.
• 20:21
  Especially
• 20:21
  in
• 20:21
  that
• 20:21
  heat
• 20:22
  and
• 20:22
  especially
• 20:22
  with
• 20:23
  Beckham
• 20:23
  coming
• 20:23
  back
• 20:24
  from
• 20:24
  a
• 20:24
  metatarsal.
• 20:25
  Was
• 20:25
  he
• 20:25
  enthralled
• 20:26
  to
• 20:26
  Beckham?
• 20:26
  That's
• 20:27
  a.
• 20:27
  Is
• 20:27
  that
• 20:27
  a
• 20:27
  fair
• 20:27
  question?
• 20:28
  Yes.
• 20:29
  Yeah.
• 20:29
  I
• 20:29
  think
• 20:30
  he
• 20:31
  was
• 20:31
  enthralled
• 20:31
  to
• 20:32
  Beckham
• 20:32
  partly
• 20:33
  off
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  pitch,
• 20:33
  I
• 20:33
  think,
• 20:34
  because
• 20:34
  of
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  access
• 20:35
  to
• 20:35
  the
• 20:35
  celebrity
• 20:36
  life
• 20:36
  that
• 20:36
  Beckham
• 20:36
  gave
• 20:37
  him.
• 20:37
  He
• 20:37
  was
• 20:38
  drawn
• 20:38
  by
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  light
• 20:38
  of
• 20:39
  Beckham's
• 20:39
  celebrity
• 20:39
  and
• 20:40
  it
• 20:40
  probably
• 20:40
  affected
• 20:40
  his
• 20:41
  judgment.
• 20:41
  204
• 20:42
  In
• 20:42
  Portugal,
• 20:43
  I
• 20:44
  think
• 20:44
  everybody
• 20:44
  would
• 20:44
  agree,
• 20:45
  is
• 20:45
  the
• 20:45
  one
• 20:45
  that
• 20:45
  got
• 20:45
  away
• 20:46
  and
• 20:46
  probably
• 20:47
  is
• 20:47
  the
• 20:47
  one
• 20:48
  where
• 20:48
  there
• 20:49
  is
• 20:49
  a
• 20:49
  degree
• 20:49
  of
• 20:50
  sympathy
• 20:50
  for
• 20:50
  Ericsson,
• 20:51
  that
• 20:51
  this
• 20:51
  was
• 20:51
  bad
• 20:52
  luck.
• 20:52
  Rooney
• 20:53
  bursting
• 20:53
  onto
• 20:53
  the
• 20:54
  scene
• 20:54
  and
• 20:54
  then
• 20:54
  breaking
• 20:55
  his
• 20:55
  foot
• 20:55
  in
• 20:55
  the
• 20:55
  semi
• 20:56
  final.
• 20:56
  Feels
• 20:57
  like
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  one
• 20:57
  where
• 20:57
  actually
• 20:58
  Ericsson
• 20:58
  could
• 20:58
  just
• 20:58
  say
• 20:59
  that
• 20:59
  was
• 20:59
  sheer
• 20:59
  bad
• 21:00
  luck.
• 21:01
  Yeah.
• 21:01
  I
• 21:01
  was
• 21:01
  watching
• 21:02
  the
• 21:02
  footage
• 21:02
  of
• 21:02
  that,
• 21:03
  of
• 21:03
  Rooney
• 21:03
  specifically,
• 21:04
  because
• 21:04
  I
• 21:04
  was
• 21:04
  doing
• 21:04
  something
• 21:04
  on
• 21:04
  Rooney
• 21:05
  at
• 21:05
  that
• 21:05
  tournament
• 21:05
  quite
• 21:06
  recently
• 21:06
  and
• 21:07
  there
• 21:07
  was
• 21:08
  a
• 21:08
  touch
• 21:08
  of
• 21:08
  Zidane
• 21:08
  about
• 21:09
  him
• 21:09
  at
• 21:09
  that
• 21:09
  tournament.
• 21:10
  He
• 21:10
  really
• 21:10
  was
• 21:10
  as
• 21:10
  good
• 21:11
  as
• 21:11
  we
• 21:11
  think
• 21:11
  he
• 21:11
  was.
• 21:12
  The
• 21:12
  memory
• 21:12
  is
• 21:13
  not
• 21:13
  playing
• 21:13
  tricks.
• 21:14
  Had
• 21:14
  Rooney
• 21:15
  survived
• 21:15
  all
• 21:15
  the
• 21:15
  way
• 21:15
  through
• 21:15
  the
• 21:16
  tournament
• 21:16
  without
• 21:16
  breaking
• 21:16
  his
• 21:17
  metatarsal,
• 21:17
  who
• 21:18
  knows,
• 21:18
  but
• 21:18
  every
• 21:18
  single
• 21:18
  England
• 21:19
  player
• 21:19
  from
• 21:19
  that
• 21:19
  generation
• 21:20
  that,
• 21:20
  that
• 21:20
  squad,
• 21:21
  I
• 21:21
  should
• 21:21
  say,
• 21:21
  says
• 21:21
  that
• 21:22
  that's
• 21:22
  the
• 21:22
  tournament
• 21:22
  that
• 21:22
  got
• 21:23
  away.
• 21:23
  I
• 21:23
  mean,
• 21:23
  I'm
• 21:24
  just.
• 21:24
  I
• 21:24
  know
• 21:24
  you've
• 21:24
  mentioned
• 21:24
  a
• 21:24
  lot
• 21:25
  of
• 21:25
  the
• 21:25
  names,
• 21:25
  but
• 21:25
  let
• 21:25
  me.
• 21:26
  Let
• 21:26
  me
• 21:26
  just
• 21:26
  list
• 21:27
  the
• 21:27
  outfield
• 21:28
  players
• 21:28
  who
• 21:28
  played
• 21:28
  against
• 21:28
  Croatia
• 21:29
  in
• 21:29
  a
• 21:29
  42
• 21:30
  win
• 21:30
  in
• 21:31
  Lisbon.
• 21:32
  Gary
• 21:32
  Neville,
• 21:33
  Sol
• 21:33
  Campbell,
• 21:33
  John
• 21:34
  Terry,
• 21:34
  Ashley
• 21:34
  Cole,
• 21:35
  David
• 21:35
  Beckham,
• 21:35
  Steven
• 21:36
  Gerrard,
• 21:36
  Frank
• 21:36
  Lampard,
• 21:37
  Paul
• 21:37
  Scholes,
• 21:38
  Wayne
• 21:38
  Rooney
• 21:38
  and
• 21:38
  Michael
• 21:39
  Owen.
• 21:40
  How
• 21:40
  did
• 21:41
  they
• 21:41
  not
• 21:41
  win?
• 21:41
  You
• 21:41
  would.
• 21:42
  Well,
• 21:43
  given
• 21:43
  that
• 21:43
  Greece
• 21:44
  won
• 21:44
  that
• 21:44
  tournament,
• 21:45
  you
• 21:45
  would
• 21:46
  expect
• 21:46
  them
• 21:47
  to
• 21:47
  go
• 21:47
  and
• 21:47
  win
• 21:48
  that
• 21:48
  European
• 21:48
  champion
• 21:48
  then.
• 21:49
  Saul
• 21:49
  Campbell
• 21:49
  has
• 21:49
  a
• 21:49
  goal
• 21:50
  very
• 21:50
  unluckily
• 21:51
  disallowed
• 21:51
  against
• 21:51
  Portugal
• 21:52
  as
• 21:52
  well.
• 21:52
  So
• 21:52
  I
• 21:52
  think
• 21:53
  that's
• 21:53
  where
• 21:53
  the
• 21:53
  bad
• 21:53
  luck
• 21:54
  is.
• 21:54
  And
• 21:54
  by
• 21:54
  206,
• 21:56
  it
• 21:56
  had
• 21:56
  just
• 21:56
  started
• 21:56
  to
• 21:56
  unravel.
• 21:57
  Eriksen,
• 21:58
  because
• 21:58
  of
• 21:59
  his
• 21:59
  flirtation
• 21:59
  with
• 21:59
  the
• 22:00
  fake
• 22:00
  shake,
• 22:00
  knew
• 22:00
  he
• 22:00
  wasn't
• 22:01
  going
• 22:01
  to
• 22:01
  be
• 22:01
  manager
• 22:01
  any
• 22:02
  longer.
• 22:02
  His
• 22:02
  number
• 22:03
  two,
• 22:03
  Steve
• 22:03
  McLaren,
• 22:04
  was
• 22:04
  going
• 22:04
  to
• 22:04
  take
• 22:04
  over
• 22:04
  and
• 22:04
  was
• 22:05
  still
• 22:05
  within
• 22:05
  the
• 22:05
  camp.
• 22:06
  That
• 22:06
  can't
• 22:06
  have
• 22:06
  helped.
• 22:07
  You've
• 22:07
  talked
• 22:07
  about
• 22:08
  Baden
• 22:08
  Baden
• 22:08
  before.
• 22:09
  It
• 22:09
  was
• 22:09
  absolute
• 22:09
  chaos
• 22:10
  off
• 22:10
  the
• 22:10
  pitch.
• 22:11
  Rooney
• 22:11
  had
• 22:11
  broken
• 22:12
  his
• 22:12
  foot
• 22:12
  against
• 22:12
  Chelsea
• 22:13
  and
• 22:13
  Alain
• 22:14
  Beckham
• 22:14
  in
• 22:14
  202,
• 22:15
  racing
• 22:15
  to
• 22:16
  get
• 22:16
  back.
• 22:17
  I
• 22:17
  remember
• 22:17
  being
• 22:17
  in
• 22:17
  a
• 22:18
  bar
• 22:18
  in
• 22:18
  Cologne
• 22:19
  and
• 22:19
  a
• 22:19
  Premier
• 22:19
  League
• 22:19
  manager
• 22:20
  saying
• 22:20
  to
• 22:20
  me,
• 22:20
  england
• 22:20
  are
• 22:20
  going
• 22:21
  to
• 22:21
  win
• 22:21
  this
• 22:21
  World
• 22:21
  Cup.
• 22:22
  It
• 22:22
  was
• 22:22
  a
• 22:22
  big
• 22:22
  statement.
• 22:22
  We
• 22:23
  haven't
• 22:23
  won
• 22:23
  anything
• 22:23
  since
• 22:23
  1966.
• 22:24
  And
• 22:25
  look
• 22:25
  at
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  team.
• 22:26
  Well,
• 22:26
  no,
• 22:26
  I
• 22:26
  think
• 22:26
  he
• 22:26
  probably
• 22:27
  said,
• 22:27
  look
• 22:27
  at
• 22:27
  the
• 22:27
  players.
• 22:27
  Goes
• 22:28
  back
• 22:28
  to
• 22:28
  the
• 22:28
  old
• 22:28
  debate.
• 22:29
  Those
• 22:29
  are
• 22:29
  the
• 22:29
  players.
• 22:29
  What
• 22:29
  about
• 22:30
  the
• 22:30
  team?
• 22:30
  Yeah,
• 22:30
  absolutely.
• 22:31
  What
• 22:31
  about
• 22:31
  the
• 22:31
  style
• 22:32
  of
• 22:32
  play?
• 22:32
  In
• 22:32
  retrospect,
• 22:32
  Feels
• 22:33
  like
• 22:33
  it
• 22:33
  was
• 22:33
  past
• 22:33
  the
• 22:34
  point
• 22:34
  of
• 22:34
  no
• 22:34
  return
• 22:34
  by
• 22:34
  then,
• 22:35
  almost,
• 22:35
  doesn't
• 22:35
  it?
• 22:36
  Yeah.
• 22:36
  And
• 22:36
  I
• 22:36
  would
• 22:36
  say
• 22:36
  on
• 22:37
  the
• 22:37
  pitch,
• 22:37
  England
• 22:37
  couldn't
• 22:38
  win
• 22:38
  a
• 22:38
  World
• 22:38
  cup
• 22:38
  playing
• 22:39
  the
• 22:39
  way
• 22:39
  they
• 22:39
  were
• 22:39
  playing.
• 22:40
  And
• 22:40
  on
• 22:40
  the
• 22:40
  Rooney
• 22:40
  thing,
• 22:41
  there
• 22:41
  was
• 22:41
  a
• 22:41
  fabulous
• 22:41
  revelation
• 22:42
  by
• 22:42
  Rooney
• 22:42
  in
• 22:42
  the
• 22:42
  Sunday
• 22:43
  Times.
• 22:43
  So
• 22:43
  we
• 22:43
  know
• 22:43
  he
• 22:43
  turned
• 22:44
  up
• 22:44
  late
• 22:44
  after
• 22:45
  a
• 22:45
  lot
• 22:45
  of
• 22:45
  treatment
• 22:45
  on
• 22:45
  his
• 22:45
  broken
• 22:46
  metatarsal
• 22:47
  and
• 22:47
  said,
• 22:47
  the
• 22:47
  big
• 22:47
  man
• 22:48
  is
• 22:48
  back
• 22:48
  in
• 22:48
  town
• 22:48
  as
• 22:49
  he
• 22:49
  walked
• 22:49
  into
• 22:49
  the
• 22:49
  camp.
• 22:50
  Good
• 22:50
  luck
• 22:50
  to
• 22:50
  him
• 22:51
  for
• 22:51
  that.
• 22:51
  That
• 22:51
  was
• 22:51
  brilliant.
• 22:52
  Do
• 22:52
  you
• 22:52
  know,
• 22:52
  the
• 22:52
  next
• 22:52
  day
• 22:53
  he
• 22:53
  jogged
• 22:54
  out
• 22:54
  for
• 22:54
  training.
• 22:54
  I'm
• 22:55
  back,
• 22:55
  I'm
• 22:55
  ready,
• 22:55
  you
• 22:56
  know,
• 22:56
  I'm
• 22:56
  fit.
• 22:57
  And
• 22:57
  he
• 22:57
  got
• 22:57
  tempted.
• 22:58
  There
• 22:58
  was
• 22:58
  a
• 22:58
  ball
• 22:58
  around
• 22:59
  about
• 22:59
  the
• 22:59
  halfway
• 22:59
  line.
• 22:59
  He
• 23:00
  got
• 23:00
  tempted
• 23:00
  to
• 23:00
  hit
• 23:00
  it
• 23:01
  as
• 23:01
  hard
• 23:01
  as
• 23:01
  he
• 23:02
  could.
• 23:02
  He
• 23:02
  was
• 23:02
  trying
• 23:02
  to
• 23:02
  strike
• 23:02
  the
• 23:03
  crossbar
• 23:03
  and
• 23:04
  he
• 23:04
  felt
• 23:04
  his
• 23:05
  groin
• 23:06
  tear.
• 23:06
  This
• 23:07
  is
• 23:07
  the
• 23:07
  day
• 23:07
  after
• 23:08
  he
• 23:08
  arrived
• 23:08
  in
• 23:08
  camp,
• 23:09
  after
• 23:09
  being
• 23:09
  a
• 23:09
  late,
• 23:10
  you
• 23:10
  know,
• 23:10
  a
• 23:11
  late
• 23:11
  arrival.
• 23:11
  And
• 23:11
  he
• 23:12
  said,
• 23:12
  I.
• 23:12
  I
• 23:12
  knew
• 23:13
  straight
• 23:14
  away,
• 23:14
  I
• 23:14
  was
• 23:14
  never
• 23:15
  close
• 23:15
  to
• 23:15
  100
• 23:16
  in
• 23:17
  Germany,
• 23:18
  and
• 23:19
  I
• 23:19
  shouldn't
• 23:19
  really
• 23:19
  have
• 23:19
  been
• 23:20
  there,
• 23:20
  so.
• 23:21
  And
• 23:21
  he
• 23:21
  didn't
• 23:21
  last
• 23:21
  long
• 23:22
  in
• 23:22
  the
• 23:22
  game
• 23:22
  against
• 23:22
  Portugal,
• 23:23
  of
• 23:23
  course.
• 23:23
  He
• 23:23
  stood
• 23:23
  on
• 23:23
  the
• 23:23
  unmentionables
• 23:24
  of
• 23:24
  Ricardo
• 23:25
  Carvalho
• 23:26
  and
• 23:26
  was
• 23:26
  sent
• 23:27
  off.
• 23:27
  And
• 23:27
  of
• 23:28
  course,
• 23:28
  because
• 23:28
  Fenior
• 23:29
  and
• 23:29
  Eriksen
• 23:29
  have,
• 23:30
  for
• 23:30
  whatever
• 23:30
  reason,
• 23:32
  madly
• 23:32
  gone
• 23:33
  with
• 23:33
  picking
• 23:33
  Theo
• 23:33
  Walcott.
• 23:34
  It
• 23:34
  was
• 23:35
  16,
• 23:35
  stroke
• 23:35
  17.
• 23:36
  So
• 23:37
  Rooney's
• 23:37
  injured
• 23:38
  and
• 23:38
  sent
• 23:38
  off.
• 23:38
  Peter
• 23:39
  Crouch.
• 23:39
  There's
• 23:39
  nowhere
• 23:40
  to
• 23:40
  turn
• 23:40
  to,
• 23:40
  is
• 23:40
  there,
• 23:41
  because
• 23:41
  Jermaine
• 23:41
  Defoe
• 23:41
  is
• 23:42
  at
• 23:42
  home,
• 23:42
  as
• 23:43
  I
• 23:43
  would
• 23:43
  be
• 23:43
  fuming.
• 23:44
  And
• 23:45
  you'd
• 23:45
  seen
• 23:45
  Theo
• 23:45
  Walcott
• 23:46
  with
• 23:46
  his
• 23:46
  parents
• 23:46
  going
• 23:47
  around
• 23:47
  Baden
• 23:47
  Baden.
• 23:48
  You're
• 23:48
  thinking,
• 23:48
  that's
• 23:48
  England's
• 23:49
  only
• 23:49
  fit
• 23:49
  striker
• 23:49
  now.
• 23:50
  Well,
• 23:50
  we
• 23:50
  were
• 23:50
  in
• 23:50
  Baden
• 23:51
  Baden
• 23:51
  with
• 23:51
  the
• 23:52
  paparazzi,
• 23:52
  with
• 23:53
  all
• 23:53
  the
• 23:53
  families,
• 23:53
  with
• 23:54
  the
• 23:54
  wives
• 23:54
  and
• 23:54
  girlfriends,
• 23:55
  and
• 23:55
  with
• 23:55
  England
• 23:56
  players
• 23:56
  coming
• 23:56
  down
• 23:57
  from
• 23:57
  the
• 23:57
  hills
• 23:57
  to
• 23:58
  try
• 23:58
  and
• 23:58
  sort
• 23:58
  things
• 23:58
  out
• 23:58
  and
• 23:59
  calm
• 23:59
  everything
• 23:59
  down.
• 24:00
  The
• 24:00
  papers
• 24:01
  were
• 24:01
  having
• 24:01
  a
• 24:01
  field
• 24:01
  day
• 24:02
  with
• 24:02
  the
• 24:02
  families
• 24:02
  going
• 24:02
  out
• 24:02
  and
• 24:03
  celebrating.
• 24:03
  It
• 24:04
  was
• 24:04
  great
• 24:04
  fun,
• 24:04
  actually,
• 24:04
  and
• 24:05
  there
• 24:05
  were
• 24:05
  some
• 24:05
  lovely
• 24:05
  people.
• 24:06
  It
• 24:06
  was
• 24:06
  so
• 24:06
  nice
• 24:06
  to
• 24:06
  spend
• 24:07
  time
• 24:07
  with
• 24:07
  the
• 24:07
  families,
• 24:08
  but
• 24:08
  it
• 24:08
  was
• 24:08
  mayhem.
• 24:08
  Rio
• 24:09
  Ferdinand
• 24:10
  described
• 24:10
  it
• 24:10
  as
• 24:10
  a
• 24:11
  circus.
• 24:12
  So
• 24:12
  England's
• 24:12
  only
• 24:13
  real
• 24:13
  backup
• 24:13
  striker
• 24:14
  towards
• 24:14
  the
• 24:14
  end
• 24:15
  of
• 24:15
  the
• 24:15
  tournament,
• 24:15
  Theo
• 24:15
  Walcott,
• 24:16
  was
• 24:16
  only
• 24:16
  17.
• 24:17
  He
• 24:17
  was
• 24:17
  taken
• 24:17
  in
• 24:17
  front
• 24:18
  of
• 24:18
  Jermaine
• 24:18
  Defoe,
• 24:19
  as
• 24:19
  you
• 24:19
  said.
• 24:19
  And
• 24:20
  I
• 24:20
  remember
• 24:20
  being
• 24:20
  out
• 24:20
  in
• 24:21
  Baden
• 24:21
  Baden
• 24:21
  one
• 24:22
  day
• 24:22
  and
• 24:22
  I
• 24:22
  heard
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  clip
• 24:22
  clop
• 24:23
  of
• 24:23
  a
• 24:23
  pony
• 24:23
  and
• 24:23
  trap,
• 24:24
  a
• 24:24
  tourist
• 24:24
  pony
• 24:25
  and
• 24:25
  trap,
• 24:25
  you
• 24:25
  know,
• 24:25
  of
• 24:26
  the
• 24:26
  sort
• 24:26
  you
• 24:26
  see
• 24:26
  in
• 24:26
  those
• 24:26
  twee
• 24:27
  German
• 24:27
  towns.
• 24:28
  And
• 24:28
  I
• 24:29
  thought,
• 24:29
  oh,
• 24:29
  there
• 24:29
  goes
• 24:30
  Theo
• 24:30
  Walcott
• 24:31
  with
• 24:31
  his
• 24:31
  family.
• 24:32
  His
• 24:32
  family
• 24:32
  were
• 24:33
  in
• 24:33
  the
• 24:33
  front,
• 24:33
  Theo's
• 24:33
  in
• 24:34
  the
• 24:34
  back,
• 24:34
  having
• 24:34
  a
• 24:34
  trip
• 24:35
  around
• 24:35
  Baden
• 24:35
  bad
• 24:35
  and
• 24:36
  on
• 24:36
  a
• 24:36
  pony
• 24:36
  and
• 24:36
  trap.
• 24:36
  And
• 24:36
  I
• 24:37
  thought,
• 24:37
  hmm,
• 24:39
  that's
• 24:39
  our
• 24:39
  World
• 24:40
  cup
• 24:40
  savior.
• 24:40
  Yeah,
• 24:41
  that's
• 24:42
  the
• 24:42
  last
• 24:42
  card
• 24:42
  in
• 24:42
  the
• 24:43
  pack.
• 24:43
  And
• 24:43
  it
• 24:44
  looked
• 24:44
  like
• 24:44
  Theo
• 24:44
  was
• 24:44
  there
• 24:45
  on
• 24:45
  a
• 24:45
  school
• 24:45
  trip
• 24:46
  and
• 24:47
  so
• 24:48
  dressed
• 24:48
  in
• 24:48
  lederhosen.
• 24:49
  No,
• 24:49
  I'm
• 24:49
  sure
• 24:49
  he
• 24:49
  was.
• 24:50
  I
• 24:50
  don't
• 24:50
  think
• 24:50
  he
• 24:51
  was.
• 24:51
  But
• 24:52
  Baden
• 24:53
  Baden
• 24:53
  was
• 24:53
  the
• 24:54
  end
• 24:54
  of
• 24:54
  the
• 24:54
  line
• 24:55
  for
• 24:55
  Eriksen,
• 24:56
  and
• 24:56
  it
• 24:56
  was
• 24:57
  suitably
• 24:58
  unhinged
• 24:59
  and
• 24:59
  debauched.
• 25:00
  But
• 25:00
  what
• 25:00
  he
• 25:01
  did
• 25:01
  do,
• 25:01
  of
• 25:01
  course,
• 25:01
  was
• 25:01
  break
• 25:02
  down
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  barrier
• 25:03
  to
• 25:03
  England
• 25:04
  having
• 25:04
  a
• 25:04
  foreign
• 25:04
  coach,
• 25:05
  and
• 25:05
  there
• 25:05
  have
• 25:05
  been
• 25:05
  two
• 25:06
  more
• 25:06
  since.
• 25:07
  So
• 25:07
  we
• 25:07
  go
• 25:07
  from
• 25:07
  Ericsson
• 25:08
  to
• 25:08
  Capello
• 25:09
  and
• 25:09
  now
• 25:10
  to
• 25:10
  Thomas
• 25:10
  Tuchel,
• 25:11
  who's
• 25:11
  been
• 25:12
  appointed
• 25:12
  to
• 25:12
  do
• 25:12
  the
• 25:13
  job
• 25:13
  that
• 25:13
  the
• 25:13
  FAA
• 25:14
  felt,
• 25:14
  the
• 25:14
  only
• 25:15
  job
• 25:15
  that
• 25:15
  Gareth
• 25:15
  Southcote
• 25:16
  hadn't
• 25:17
  quite
• 25:17
  pulled
• 25:17
  off,
• 25:17
  which
• 25:17
  was
• 25:17
  to
• 25:18
  win
• 25:18
  a
• 25:18
  trophy.
• 25:19
  So
• 25:19
  it's
• 25:19
  interesting
• 25:20
  to
• 25:20
  trace
• 25:20
  the
• 25:20
  lineage
• 25:21
  from
• 25:21
  Ericsson
• 25:22
  to
• 25:22
  Capello
• 25:23
  to
• 25:23
  Tuchel,
• 25:24
  all
• 25:24
  appointed
• 25:24
  for
• 25:24
  slightly
• 25:25
  different
• 25:25
  reasons,
• 25:26
  but
• 25:27
  for
• 25:27
  England
• 25:27
  to
• 25:27
  have
• 25:28
  had
• 25:28
  three
• 25:29
  foreign
• 25:29
  coaches
• 25:29
  in
• 25:30
  24
• 25:30
  years
• 25:30
  tells
• 25:31
  you
• 25:31
  that
• 25:31
  there's
• 25:31
  a
• 25:32
  problem
• 25:32
  with
• 25:32
  the
• 25:33
  production
• 25:33
  of
• 25:34
  coaches
• 25:34
  and
• 25:34
  managers.
• 25:35
  But
• 25:35
  the
• 25:35
  fact
• 25:35
  that
• 25:35
  they
• 25:35
  had
• 25:36
  a.
• 25:36
  They
• 25:36
  had
• 25:36
  appointed
• 25:37
  three
• 25:37
  overseas
• 25:38
  coaches
• 25:38
  of
• 25:38
  the
• 25:38
  men's
• 25:39
  team
• 25:39
  meant
• 25:39
  that
• 25:40
  it
• 25:40
  was
• 25:40
  much
• 25:40
  easier
• 25:40
  for
• 25:41
  them
• 25:41
  to
• 25:41
  appoint
• 25:41
  correct
• 25:42
  the
• 25:42
  women's
• 25:43
  team
• 25:43
  from
• 25:43
  overseas.
• 25:44
  Serena
• 25:44
  Wiegman,
• 25:44
  who
• 25:45
  has
• 25:45
  done
• 25:45
  absolutely
• 25:46
  everything
• 25:46
  the
• 25:46
  FA
• 25:47
  want
• 25:47
  their
• 25:47
  men's
• 25:48
  overseas
• 25:48
  coaches
• 25:49
  to
• 25:49
  go
• 25:49
  and
• 25:49
  do.
• 25:49
  Quite
• 25:50
  right.
• 25:50
  And
• 25:50
  Serena
• 25:51
  Wiegman
• 25:51
  is
• 25:51
  the
• 25:51
  best
• 25:52
  defense
• 25:53
  against
• 25:53
  the
• 25:53
  idea
• 25:53
  that
• 25:54
  it
• 25:54
  should
• 25:54
  always
• 25:54
  be
• 25:54
  an
• 25:54
  England
• 25:55
  manager
• 25:55
  because
• 25:55
  without
• 25:55
  Serena
• 25:56
  Vegeman
• 25:56
  I
• 25:56
  think
• 25:57
  England
• 25:57
  would
• 25:57
  have
• 25:57
  done
• 25:58
  really
• 25:58
  well.
• 25:58
  But.
• 25:58
  But
• 25:58
  we
• 25:58
  don't
• 25:59
  know
• 25:59
  that
• 25:59
  they'd
• 25:59
  have
• 25:59
  won
• 25:59
  those
• 26:00
  trophies.
• 26:00
  And
• 26:01
  she
• 26:02
  looks
• 26:02
  like
• 26:02
  the
• 26:02
  difference.
• 26:03
  She
• 26:03
  made
• 26:03
  the
• 26:04
  difference.
• 26:04
  So
• 26:05
  that
• 26:05
  certainly
• 26:06
  helped
• 26:06
  the
• 26:06
  argument
• 26:07
  that
• 26:07
  you
• 26:07
  just
• 26:07
  go
• 26:07
  for
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  best
• 26:08
  person.
• 26:08
  It
• 26:08
  doesn't
• 26:09
  matter
• 26:09
  where
• 26:09
  they
• 26:09
  come
• 26:09
  from.
• 26:10
  Paul,
• 26:10
  I
• 26:10
  think
• 26:10
  it's
• 26:11
  just
• 26:11
  worth.
• 26:11
  With
• 26:11
  Sven
• 26:13
  reiterating,
• 26:14
  sadly
• 26:14
  passed
• 26:15
  away
• 26:15
  from
• 26:15
  cancer.
• 26:16
  And
• 26:16
  in
• 26:16
  the
• 26:16
  last
• 26:16
  year
• 26:17
  when
• 26:17
  he
• 26:17
  knew
• 26:17
  he
• 26:17
  was
• 26:18
  dying,
• 26:18
  he
• 26:18
  sort
• 26:19
  of
• 26:19
  went
• 26:19
  on
• 26:19
  a
• 26:19
  farewell
• 26:20
  tour
• 26:20
  of
• 26:20
  all
• 26:20
  the
• 26:20
  clubs
• 26:21
  where
• 26:21
  he'd
• 26:21
  managed
• 26:21
  and
• 26:22
  he
• 26:22
  came
• 26:22
  to
• 26:22
  England.
• 26:22
  He
• 26:22
  loved
• 26:23
  Liverpool,
• 26:23
  he
• 26:24
  managed
• 26:24
  a
• 26:24
  sort
• 26:24
  of
• 26:24
  celebs
• 26:25
  game
• 26:25
  at
• 26:26
  Anfield.
• 26:26
  And
• 26:26
  actually
• 26:27
  the
• 26:27
  outpouring
• 26:27
  of,
• 26:28
  of
• 26:28
  affection
• 26:29
  for
• 26:29
  him
• 26:29
  in
• 26:30
  the
• 26:30
  UK
• 26:30
  in
• 26:30
  England
• 26:31
  was
• 26:31
  really
• 26:31
  striking,
• 26:32
  wasn't
• 26:32
  it?
• 26:32
  It
• 26:32
  was
• 26:33
  like,
• 26:33
  yes,
• 26:33
  Fed,
• 26:34
  you
• 26:34
  might
• 26:34
  have
• 26:35
  underachieved
• 26:35
  a
• 26:35
  bit,
• 26:36
  but
• 26:36
  we
• 26:36
  completely
• 26:37
  got
• 26:37
  who
• 26:37
  you
• 26:37
  were
• 26:38
  and
• 26:38
  your
• 26:38
  love
• 26:38
  of
• 26:38
  life
• 26:39
  and
• 26:39
  actually
• 26:39
  we
• 26:39
  want
• 26:39
  to
• 26:39
  show
• 26:40
  that
• 26:40
  completely.
• 26:41
  He
• 26:41
  had
• 26:41
  really
• 26:41
  a
• 26:42
  hero's
• 26:43
  send
• 26:43
  off.
• 26:44
  It
• 26:44
  was
• 26:44
  deeply
• 26:45
  moving.
• 26:46
  He
• 26:46
  was
• 26:47
  open
• 26:47
  and
• 26:48
  honest
• 26:49
  and
• 26:49
  really
• 26:49
  displayed
• 26:50
  his
• 26:50
  love
• 26:51
  of
• 26:51
  football
• 26:52
  in
• 26:52
  those
• 26:52
  final
• 26:53
  months
• 26:53
  and,
• 26:54
  and
• 26:54
  it
• 26:54
  was
• 26:54
  so
• 26:55
  good
• 26:55
  that
• 26:56
  the
• 26:56
  English
• 26:56
  game
• 26:57
  and
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  clubs
• 26:57
  and
• 26:58
  English
• 26:58
  fans
• 26:59
  showed
• 26:59
  such
• 27:00
  a
• 27:00
  fondness
• 27:00
  for
• 27:00
  him
• 27:00
  because
• 27:01
  he
• 27:01
  deserved
• 27:01
  that.
• 27:01
  I
• 27:01
  mean,
• 27:02
  when
• 27:02
  he
• 27:02
  left
• 27:02
  the
• 27:02
  England
• 27:03
  job,
• 27:03
  he
• 27:03
  didn't
• 27:04
  fall
• 27:04
  off
• 27:04
  a
• 27:04
  cliff.
• 27:04
  I
• 27:04
  mean
• 27:05
  he
• 27:05
  managed.
• 27:05
  He
• 27:05
  was
• 27:05
  managing
• 27:06
  Manchester
• 27:06
  City.
• 27:06
  A
• 27:07
  year
• 27:07
  later
• 27:08
  he
• 27:08
  also
• 27:08
  managed
• 27:09
  Leicester
• 27:09
  City,
• 27:10
  Knott's
• 27:11
  County.
• 27:11
  He
• 27:11
  was
• 27:11
  thoroughly
• 27:12
  conned
• 27:12
  at
• 27:12
  Knott's
• 27:13
  County.
• 27:13
  That
• 27:13
  was
• 27:13
  a
• 27:13
  bit
• 27:13
  of
• 27:13
  a
• 27:13
  duocal
• 27:14
  bit.
• 27:14
  But
• 27:14
  he
• 27:15
  went
• 27:15
  on
• 27:15
  this
• 27:15
  kind
• 27:15
  of
• 27:16
  walk
• 27:16
  on
• 27:16
  the
• 27:16
  wild
• 27:16
  side
• 27:17
  where
• 27:17
  he
• 27:17
  went
• 27:17
  to
• 27:17
  Mexico,
• 27:18
  Ivory
• 27:18
  Coast,
• 27:20
  China,
• 27:21
  Shenzhen
• 27:21
  in
• 27:22
  the
• 27:22
  Philippines.
• 27:22
  He
• 27:22
  kind
• 27:23
  of.
• 27:23
  He
• 27:23
  became
• 27:24
  very
• 27:24
  peripatetic.
• 27:25
  You
• 27:25
  know,
• 27:25
  he
• 27:25
  went
• 27:25
  anywhere.
• 27:26
  He
• 27:26
  was
• 27:26
  a
• 27:26
  hired
• 27:26
  gun
• 27:27
  in
• 27:27
  his.
• 27:27
  In
• 27:28
  his
• 27:28
  final
• 27:28
  years.
• 27:29
  But
• 27:29
  really
• 27:30
  pleasingly,
• 27:30
  the,
• 27:30
  the
• 27:31
  light
• 27:31
  drew
• 27:31
  him
• 27:31
  back
• 27:32
  to
• 27:32
  England
• 27:32
  and
• 27:32
  English
• 27:33
  football
• 27:33
  and
• 27:33
  that's
• 27:34
  really
• 27:34
  where
• 27:34
  you
• 27:34
  felt
• 27:34
  the
• 27:34
  love
• 27:35
  for
• 27:35
  him.
• 27:35
  So
• 27:36
  the
• 27:36
  story
• 27:36
  ended
• 27:37
  in
• 27:37
  that
• 27:37
  sense,
• 27:37
  you
• 27:38
  know,
• 27:38
  quite
• 27:38
  happily.
• 27:39
  Paul,
• 27:39
  thank
• 27:39
  you.
• 27:39
  That
• 27:40
  was
• 27:40
  really
• 27:40
  fascinating.
• 27:41
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• 27:41
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• 27:41
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  in
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  association
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  with
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  Apex
• 28:30
  Content
• 28:31
  Ventures.
• 28:34
  This
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  is
• 28:35
  a
• 28:35
  Global
• 28:35
  Player
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  Original
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  Podcast.