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Southeast Asia's Fascination with The Supernatural · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: So throughout the night, I think I was, um, I
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  Speaker 1: was possessed and I just remember that I was carrying
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  Speaker 1: on some energy.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Art.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Raihan. My name is Pha. My name
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  Speaker 2: is Wayne. My name is Kyle, and this is Tales
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  Speaker 2: from Incredible Tales. Inspired by the classic Minor series, we
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  Speaker 2: explore different aspects of Southeast Asia's supernatural culture for supposedly
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  Speaker 2: haunted locations to creatures and spirits. Still got it, got it.
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  Speaker 2: OK, we have 2 guests again for this episode. One
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  Speaker 2: of them, of course, is the host of Incredible Tales
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  Speaker 2: throughout its 13 years. Art, welcome back, Art.
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  Speaker 1: Hi guys.
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  Speaker 1: It's always really cool to be back. Is that your, um,
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  Speaker 1: real voice, or did you, did you adapt the voice for, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I, I host, uh, this radio show called Mystery Jumblast.
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  Speaker 2: So basically it's a horror, it's a Malay horror radio show.
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  Speaker 2: So every now and then I have to use that voice.
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  Speaker 2: To to make it more creepy,
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  Speaker 1: la, the voice works that works. That
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  Speaker 2: was like 20% like you show him the 100% sia.
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  Speaker 2: That's why he's the host of MG.
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  Speaker 2: This man is not messing around with the scam.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, everyone brings something on board. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like for me when I did the show, it's like
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  Speaker 1: people remember my voice and then it's like for you
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  Speaker 1: for the last two seasons, you brought something to uh
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  Speaker 1: the table as well. So it's, it's interesting to see
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  Speaker 1: how we expand.
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  Speaker 2: Well, see, we've been talking to him this whole time, uh,
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  Speaker 2: but clearly you can tell we have another guest for
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  Speaker 2: this episode.
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  Speaker 2: He's equally special to us in terms of the history
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  Speaker 2: of tales from Incredible Tales. We want to welcome back
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  Speaker 2: Raihan Yaob. Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, it's really
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  Speaker 2: good to very right. I feel sad now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean like 5 of us,
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  Speaker 2: yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the family is growing,
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  Speaker 2: growing,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, so when I got invited back, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm really super delighted to be back here and
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  Speaker 2: to see familiar faces, not just you guys, but also
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  Speaker 2: the crew. So I'm really happy to be here and
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  Speaker 2: I'm really happy to be with all of you. you
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  Speaker 2: never address. Oh
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  Speaker 2: hi.
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  Speaker 2: I love by the way, how like, you know, things
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  Speaker 2: shifted around new studio space and everything and then for
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  Speaker 2: some reason you ended up back there again with her.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, yes, I remember, uh, she's always behind
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  Speaker 2: me watching over my back after you got back. I
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  Speaker 2: think all I can say is I'm not here to
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  Speaker 2: replace Raihan. I'm here to continue his legacy for you.
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  Speaker 2: Clearly this is going to be the sentimental. But tonight
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  Speaker 2: we want to talk about why we love the supernatural
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  Speaker 2: in Southeast Asia. From Singapore to Thailand and beyond, this
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  Speaker 2: episode's topic is inspired by the original Incredible Tales episode.
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  Speaker 2: Motorcycle taxi. There are so many supernatural creatures in the
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  Speaker 2: mythologies of Southeast Asia, some of which share similar traits
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  Speaker 2: across different countries. For example, if you just look at
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  Speaker 2: Malay and Thai folklore, there's the Toyo and the Kuan
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  Speaker 2: tong or the Pontana and the Naangtani.
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  Speaker 2: Or the Penangalan and the Krasu. Why do you think
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  Speaker 2: the supernatural is so much a part of Southeast Asia's culture?
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  Speaker 2: The simple to answer question, the one that's not at
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  Speaker 2: all so broad. You know, I had a reflection earlier
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  Speaker 2: on as well, you know, as part of, because I've
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  Speaker 2: been here for two seasons, right? One of the things
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  Speaker 2: that I really learned and grew along in this series
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  Speaker 2: is that
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  Speaker 2: Throughout the whole entire time where we talk about ghosts,
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  Speaker 2: ghost stories, supernatural, there's always one thing that is very
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  Speaker 2: related to us. It's the aspect of
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  Speaker 2: Family and when we speak about family, which is very
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  Speaker 2: strong in Asian context, right, then family turns into a
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  Speaker 2: horror story where for example, in this case, Pontana is
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  Speaker 2: about uh being left behind by a guy that she loves,
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  Speaker 2: you know, about the Kuman Tong, you know, being a BB, right? So,
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  Speaker 2: so it's all about family context is there that is
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  Speaker 2: very strong.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, strongly related to Asia, Southeast Asia's culture, and then
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  Speaker 2: when we translate that into a horror story, it it
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  Speaker 2: becomes something that is very connected to us. I mean
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  Speaker 2: we can we can take a look at um.
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  Speaker 2: A westernized horror, like for example, vampires or poltergeist, right,
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  Speaker 2: but you don't really hear poltergeist coming from a perspective
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  Speaker 2: of someone being left behind or something like that, but
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  Speaker 2: in the Asian context, it's more of family and then
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  Speaker 2: turned into a horror story. So that's why I think
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  Speaker 2: it is very closely related to us because in Asia.
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  Speaker 2: We emphasize family and then when family gets into chaotic situation,
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  Speaker 2: horror story begins, and that's why we are so connected
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  Speaker 2: to it because there's a part of us that is
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  Speaker 2: connected to the horror story itself. I think for me, right,
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  Speaker 2: it's how we grow up, right, how our parents discipline us,
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  Speaker 2: so they will always share with us like superstition.
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  Speaker 2: Or they will always scare us like hey, you don't
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  Speaker 2: go out after Margaret, you don't go out later the
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  Speaker 2: hantu will, you know, trap you in under her, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I think, I think they,
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  Speaker 2: they will always try to relate ghosts with disciplinary actions,
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  Speaker 2: you get what I mean, they try to discipline us
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  Speaker 2: with ghost stories. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think we all can relate.
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  Speaker 1: But for me, I feel it's the landscape, the environment
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  Speaker 1: across Southeast Asia, we live in the same environment, whether
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  Speaker 1: or not like we're um we have the same religion
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  Speaker 1: or not, it's like forest area, um humid, um, it
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  Speaker 1: plays into
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  Speaker 1: It's the culture and then it plays into the discipline,
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  Speaker 1: it plays into the family. So uh the similar ghost
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  Speaker 1: that we have with different names, let's say we back
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  Speaker 1: in the day when things weren't developed, there were villages,
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  Speaker 1: they were like kampongs, um, in Thailand being Muan, it's
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  Speaker 1: just different terminology, but it's the same way of life.
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  Speaker 1: So the experiences are quite similar, um, and uh the
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  Speaker 1: supernatural paranormal of things are happening.
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  Speaker 1: There are similarities. So I think that's why we gel
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  Speaker 1: like together as a collective to understand like, oh, because
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  Speaker 1: it's like kind of deep rooted in like different urban.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, stories and tales, that's my take on it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for me it's like if you look at
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  Speaker 2: this table, right, we are so diverse, right? We come
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  Speaker 2: from different backgrounds, cultures and all, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: perfectly represents Southeast Asia. I think even though you look
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  Speaker 2: at South Asia, oh yeah, it's like, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: it's it's one corner of Asia, but actually looking at
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  Speaker 2: Southeast Asia is one of the.
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  Speaker 2: Most diverse regions in the world. So you're mixing all
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  Speaker 2: this culture and folklore together, then you have like this
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  Speaker 2: very unique take on the horror that I feel like
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  Speaker 2: you won't get anywhere in the world, yeah, because it's
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  Speaker 2: like East Midwest like kind of Rojak yeah, basically Rojak, yeah, yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 2: because we all came from like forested areas and everything,
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  Speaker 2: so I think.
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  Speaker 2: If you just look at it from a map, you
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  Speaker 2: can't go, oh, this is Malaysia, this is Thailand, you
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  Speaker 2: look at a map, it looks just like one giant
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  Speaker 2: land mass land mass, but like also like what you said,
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  Speaker 2: because even though we all share this one giant piece
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  Speaker 2: of land, there's so many different cultures as well. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, you got to ask, you got all these different.
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  Speaker 2: Cultures on there and then you couldn't get the mythology
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  Speaker 2: that we have down here anywhere else just because it's
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  Speaker 2: born of us and tying back to what you were saying,
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  Speaker 2: born of us being one big Southeast Asian family where
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  Speaker 2: everybody is different, but
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  Speaker 2: Our roots uh show in, in the superstitions in the
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  Speaker 2: myths in the folklore that we have. So I think
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  Speaker 2: that's very much a part of who we are. And
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  Speaker 2: I think all these supernatural things bring us together. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: bonds us, you know, because it's like a, it's like
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  Speaker 2: everyone knows about it. It's it's, it's, uh, how do
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  Speaker 2: you say that? It's a, it's a ghost language. I
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  Speaker 2: think when you, you know, you can be.
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  Speaker 2: At different parts of the house, but you know, you
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  Speaker 2: can see it like maybe in the bedroom, the other
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  Speaker 2: one can be in the kitchen, but the moment someone
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  Speaker 2: tells a ghost story, everybody just gathers. And even though,
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  Speaker 2: even though they cannot relate to the story, let's say
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  Speaker 2: for example, you start talking about maybe an Indonesian ghost,
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: What's an Indonesian maybe Kun OK, and then we have
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  Speaker 2: like maybe a Thailand ghost, right, but it's a ghost
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  Speaker 2: story and it connects people somehow or rather listening to
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  Speaker 2: that story and if you notice, like for example Toyo
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  Speaker 2: and Kuan Tong has a has a very similar story.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so it's, it's, it has some kind of
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  Speaker 2: lineage somewhere there that it just connects people whenever people
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  Speaker 2: start talking about ghost stories. Yeah. Yeah, I mean speaking
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  Speaker 2: of stories, right, I remember, I mean the short story la,
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  Speaker 2: I remember there was this, uh, one of my schoolmates
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  Speaker 2: in secondary school, he's uh
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  Speaker 2: My cousin who is much older than him, he actually
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  Speaker 2: kept Kuman tongs. Yeah, he he kept Kuman tongs at
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  Speaker 2: home and he was telling us like, uh, Kuman tongs, uh,
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  Speaker 2: like what, what is Kuman Tong, and then like he
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  Speaker 2: apparently kept so much Kuan tongs that it
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  Speaker 2: They started fighting each other because Kuman Tong is basically,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like it's similar to Toyo they they are
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  Speaker 2: they literally translated to golden child or something like, basically they,
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  Speaker 2: they are their children lah, but they will take care
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  Speaker 2: of their masters, but you need to feed them, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you need to basically care for them, right? If not,
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  Speaker 2: they will get angry.
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  Speaker 2: And then there was this great so he got so
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  Speaker 2: many so that probiotic drinks that they used to, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: pray to the commando and then he started spilling like
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  Speaker 2: that fly violently and my friend saw it and then
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  Speaker 2: like the toys like started moving on its own at night. So,
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  Speaker 2: so clearly like they were not happy, right.
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  Speaker 2: And then, um, so he basically the cousin went into
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  Speaker 2: rampage like he and he was like super into like
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  Speaker 2: the the thai or called uh amulets like the ones
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  Speaker 2: not the ones that are given to you by the monk,
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  Speaker 2: the ones that are bought questionably so he he wore
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  Speaker 2: a lot of that and then he had kumang to
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  Speaker 2: so he actually.
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  Speaker 2: Had kind of like a psychotic breakdown. So he was
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  Speaker 2: like basically the the spiritual masters that helped him said
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  Speaker 2: that you had too much power to the point where
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  Speaker 2: they are fighting amongst themselves to take control. And when
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  Speaker 2: the story was done, right, we were seeing there was
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  Speaker 2: one of our Malay classmates was like, oh yeah, they
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  Speaker 2: want to you la.
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  Speaker 2: No creeping in listening to the post to you la.
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  Speaker 2: We also have uh like but same same but different la,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean like so that that's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what Southeast Asia is like, right? Yeah, we have a
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  Speaker 2: version of that also, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah yeah
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  Speaker 1: yeah that one's like, uh, dabbling into like dark, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like magic and like, you know, once, once it goes
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  Speaker 1: into a dark place, then you kind of.
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  Speaker 1: You kind of cross over into this whole new area.
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  Speaker 1: But um just to touch on like what you just
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  Speaker 1: uh shared with us, this was like in the time media,
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  Speaker 1: I think probably uh within the last two months, it
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  Speaker 1: was like quite funny. It was quite funny for me,
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  Speaker 1: it was quite entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: Because apparently um they had like CCTV coverage of a
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  Speaker 1: burglar going into uh this Muban, which is a community
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  Speaker 1: of houses. So he's been like, he's been stealing from
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  Speaker 1: these houses, um, but there was this one house, he
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  Speaker 1: jumped out of the second floor or he ran down
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  Speaker 1: within like, uh, I think less than 5 to 10
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  Speaker 1: minutes after like rummaging through. So it turns out that
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  Speaker 1: this particular house has Guman tong.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so, um, they caught him eventually and he
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  Speaker 1: said that he saw a Guman tong, like he went
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  Speaker 1: up and he was just like going through the house,
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  Speaker 1: seeing what he can steal, and then he saw like
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  Speaker 1: um he saw like a statue, he didn't think anything
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  Speaker 1: of it, of a Guman Tong and like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the altar and right when he ran down, he saw,
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  Speaker 1: he said he actually saw the Guman tong and it
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  Speaker 1: freaked him out so he just.
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  Speaker 1: Ran out of the house. So they they interviewed the
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  Speaker 1: owner as well. So she said, yes, she's she has
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  Speaker 1: uh two Guman tongs in the house, but I like
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  Speaker 1: to her it was a it was a surprise, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't think like people will actually see like uh
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  Speaker 1: Guman Tong, like, you know, in reality, but yeah, when,
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  Speaker 1: when they did interview her, um.
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  Speaker 1: You can tell that she, she cares for the spirits
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, and then you kind of, well, it depends
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  Speaker 1: on how you see things, but um basically, she uh
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  Speaker 1: she gets offerings to the Guman tongs like every day,
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  Speaker 1: and she shared how certain things uh appear for her
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  Speaker 1: like in terms of like luck, but not like every day.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's been like a duration of like
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  Speaker 1: a few years, like maybe 3 to 5 years already,
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  Speaker 1: but the way she describes it, it's like, it's not
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  Speaker 1: a person that you feel is like overly um extreme.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like someone who's normal, explaining something normal. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: quite interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So I think commands are there to protect you per se.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean in in.
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  Speaker 2: In Malay beliefs, right, Toyo is there to actually help
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  Speaker 2: you steal money. Yeah, so for Kuman tong is like overall,
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  Speaker 2: is it? Yeah, I would say so.
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  Speaker 1: I would say Kumman tongs, um, from my understanding why, uh,
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  Speaker 1: people have guman tongs in Thailand is as a form
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  Speaker 1: of protection. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And usually they are like uh spirits of uh babies
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  Speaker 2: or fetuses or kids that didn't make it. So it's
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  Speaker 2: like you're actually doing marriage to help them cross over
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  Speaker 2: and also to take care of them in that sense.
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  Speaker 2: So it's also good karma for you to adopt. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: it's quite a common thing in Thailand, if you go
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  Speaker 2: right to to to the restaurants, sometimes you will see
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  Speaker 2: the the.
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  Speaker 2: The small alta of the Kumanton is usually at the bottom, bottom,
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  Speaker 2: and then they have like the the pink drinks, soft drinks,
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  Speaker 2: and they put the straws. That's usually a kuan Tong alta.
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  Speaker 2: So on another side of the world though, outside the
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  Speaker 2: indigenous cultures, it seems like most of the Western confines,
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  Speaker 2: the supernatural fringes. Why do you think that Western cultures
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  Speaker 2: approach the supernatural differently
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  Speaker 2: from us?
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  Speaker 1: I would say the environment.
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  Speaker 1: um is different and their history is different. And the
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  Speaker 1: way they interpret history and interpret their spirits are different,
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  Speaker 1: just like how we do. It's like it's hard because
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  Speaker 1: their culture is so different from ours, it's hard for
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  Speaker 1: them to connect to why we have our personal experiences.
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  Speaker 1: It's something, it's as simple as food.
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  Speaker 1: You know why is their food different and our food
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  Speaker 1: is different. Yeah, so we bring that into like the
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  Speaker 1: supernatural paranormal world, it's no
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  Speaker 1: different.
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  Speaker 2: I have to add on to that, you know, because
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  Speaker 2: when I was traveling to UK to Europe, the the
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  Speaker 2: amount of fear that I had for a ghost to
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  Speaker 2: attack me.
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  Speaker 2: There is way lower than the fear that I have here.
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  Speaker 2: If I go to a Malaysian Hutan forest for uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for a vacation. I, I remember I was, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I was in a southern, no, I was in Wales,
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  Speaker 2: mountainous area filled with forest. I was staying in the Airbnb, happy, happy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, don't even think about having Pontana to appear
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  Speaker 2: in my window at night, that kind of thing. And
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  Speaker 2: then when I come back here.
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  Speaker 2: Nighttime, 9 p.m. I don't even want to look outside
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  Speaker 2: the window. So it's just maybe the environment plays a part.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know whether it's because of Asia's weather or whatsoever,
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  Speaker 2: but it's just that, you know, the perception that you
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  Speaker 2: have is, I don't think Hantu will follow me all
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  Speaker 2: the way to a cold country, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: So
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  Speaker 1: maybe I think it's how energies are aligned too. It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like if you have um people from the
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  Speaker 1: Western world come into Asia, the way they'll be affected
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  Speaker 1: by their experience with spirits will be different. They'll probably
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  Speaker 1: be less than.
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  Speaker 1: Um, what they experienced back in their home, because it's
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  Speaker 1: like they're understanding their perception.
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  Speaker 1: Um, what, what they were brought up to understand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, uh, I just recall a story. Uh, I,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I have shared this story before. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a, it's not really a physical kind of uh
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  Speaker 2: uh haunting.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, this story is for you, Shervin, because he
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  Speaker 2: was my roommate when I was in uh Paris last year,
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  Speaker 2: covering the Paralympics. So we actually stayed in a hotel
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  Speaker 2: room together, um.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, over the course of two weeks while we were
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  Speaker 2: covering the games, um, and this is, this hotel, the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the walkway, I mean the, the corridor to our room
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  Speaker 2: looks exactly like the corridor from The Shining, super creepy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, your hantu is not scary, OK,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I go, but I remember I recall one nightmare that
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I had specifically on the 2nd week, the start of
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the 2nd week.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Uh, it was the corridor, but then for some weird reason, my,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: my dream had like cinematography in it, means that I,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I was looking through a lens, like, like a movie,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: it was a Dutch angle, so you, you imagine you
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: instead of like a straight, uh, you know, the corridor
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: is like Dutch and then right, guess what appeared.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Kaka bro, in the dream it came, it was like
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: rushing towards me. Then I was very scared. I was like,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: oh my God, how, how can like Kaka come to
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: me in Europe? It's the land of, not the land
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: of bananas. I mean, she just created the passport la. Yeah,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: maybe for clearance, right? So I don't know what do
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: you guys think it for me it's, I think it's
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: because their ghost stories don't.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: They're very location specific, too location specific so that they
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: don't travel, and so that the legend doesn't spread and
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: so it just gets confined to a certain spot and
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: it almost kind of loses its power in that sense.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I mean it's been a while since I last see
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: both of you. I want to ask.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Has anything creepy happened or any ghost stories happened during
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: our time apart. Remember the story about this uh hotel
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: resort that I was in, and then that room felt
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: not right, and when I was sleeping, I felt that
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: there was something beside me. So when we were there,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: we were about to go to another to to to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: a local tourist area.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So we were about to wait for the Grab to come,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: so we decided to take a selfie. So in that,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: in that photo, clearly there's an image of a lady
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: standing at the mirror and the reflection can be seen
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: only in the mirror, not outside the mirror, and it's
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: black in color. So my wife showed me recently, just
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: two months ago, and I was looking at it, I'm like, ah,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: but actually my heart.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing creepy that happened to me for
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the past since we
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: have not met yet.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And only once, um, out of like the whole time
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that I was filming incredible tales that I had only
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: one really um clear experience, and that was when I
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: had my brother here with me. From what I understand, um,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: is that it was spirits or like energies that my
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: brother was carrying.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Because we had gone to the temple the next day,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: which was part of like the location shoot. So, uh,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the head monk, the teacher monk had said that there
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: was something following my, my brother, but the night before, um,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and this is like, mind you, like we're adults now,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: so like, you know, we, we haven't slept in the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: same room for like the longest time, so like being
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: here on location, on shoots, so we're in the same room.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: So throughout the night, I think I was um.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I was possessed, um, and he, he recorded it too
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: at one point in time, and I just remember that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I was carrying on some energy, and I was very
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: angry because he was like, and he's this big, big guy,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: because he used to be in the US Army, so he's,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: he's twice the size of me in terms of bulk.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So it's like he, I can hear him uh during
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the night just reiterating my name.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: And he's up against the wall, so like when I'm
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: like kind of coming out of my trance, it's like
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I see my brother up against the wall, this huge
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: dude who can beat me up and he's just like
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: yelling at me, like, get out, get out, you know, um, yeah,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: so um he was pretty freaked out. And I think
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: what it was was that I was carrying some sort
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: of energy that was following him.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And I somehow took that energy and so it was
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: really interesting because for a period my my brother at
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the time would not want to enter any type of
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: religious um establishments like church, temples, anything, especially like because
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: when I was we were doing shoot, he did, he
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: would just be in the in the bus, he wouldn't
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: come in. Um, but that day for some reason, I
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: told him that he should.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Um, but then I went to do my links and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the next thing I knew I saw him with like
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: with the with the monk talking and then I went
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: in and then it's like he did, he gave us
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a blessing, he gave us blessings, but he said that my,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: my brother had to do some merits because he was
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: carrying a lot of uh heavy, heavy energies and sort
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: of like I was sort of like uh I don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: want to use the word medium, but I was just
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: sort of like the.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I, I absorbed the energy the catalyst, yeah, yeah, so
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: that was the only experience I've had like filming Incredible
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Tale like after the incident is like that's it. I'm
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: not sharing rooms with you no more.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I like he said that like he said he's, I'm
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: never ever going to sleep in the same room with
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you again. Yeah. Oh my God, that's like that's how
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: traumatized he was. Yeah. And um I, I think the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: second time because I was trying to go to bed
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: because I was so tired because it's like, you know, we,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: we were squeezing so much in a short amount of time,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: like the links and all these stories, I need to
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: go to sleep, but I couldn't go to sleep, so
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I think the.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Uh, the 2nd or 3rd round when I was speaking
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: in tongues or whatever, like he actually recorded it. So
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I went to watch that on playback was like pretty freaky.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, what, what language do
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: you?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but it wasn't my voice. It was, yeah,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it was just kind of like I was just, it
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: was just I was like kind of.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I would describe it as rapping, but, um, like in
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: some language and in a tone of voice that wasn't mine,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you know, we talked about these legends, we talked about
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: these myths, you know, the legend of the Pontian goes
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: back centuries. Um, we, we tried to do research like
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: in terms of the rasu, you know, could we find like, uh,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: an origin point of it, but it goes back so
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: far that it's actually difficult to pinpoint when the legend
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: of the ras will begin.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Even till today, uh, our Southeast Asian creatures and spirits
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: are still, are not only still popular, but the legends
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: have spread across the world. So if you look at
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: something like the Panangalan, um, it appeared in Hellboy Comics.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: You look at the rassu, it's appeared in video games,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: you know, why do you think our creatures and spirits
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: continue to thrive and even grow in popularity over time?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I think things that are unique or so different to comprehend,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: especially with this day and age and the generation that
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: we're in, just becomes even more fascinating.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: so I think that's, that's the reason. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: think it's because it's scarier than, uh, I'm so sorry
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to say this word, it's scarier than Ang Mo ghost.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Don't need to be sorry.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: We've had two seasons of it's undisputed, yeah, yeah. So
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: like usually for them it's like, you know, the nun,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: you know, and then like probably like a black shadowy figure,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: probably like, you know, Freddie, you know, killing Freddie is
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: fake la I would say the scariest from the western
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: side is probably Annabelle.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: The dolls and clowns how much you love clowns Penny wise, yeah, then,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and then for, for, you know, I suppose to for us,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you know, from Southeast Asia we have like, you know,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: we have.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Fontana, we have Po Chong, you know, it's like a
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: diverse diversity of ghosts just they're just thinking different ways
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: to kill you like different ways like you want to
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: be suffocated, you want to go into the next dimension,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: you want your genitals to be ripped out like.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: us being being really supernatural people, society, we tend to
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: spread these kind of stories faster. So hence it becomes
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: a worldwide tale. I mean, in Indonesia, even police officers
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: go and use spirits to question.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, yeah, I remember, I remember that case, yeah, really, yeah,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: they do. They like, they like someone a spirit just
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: so that they can ask you, you, the spirit kill
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you that kind of who killed you Xia.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really, I think partly is because the amount of
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: horror movies now, yeah, and then it's on, you know,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: it's on um Netflix and whatnot, you know, so everyone
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: is watching it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually it's very, it's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: very interesting because like even in Asia, you look at
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the different movies, right, it's different style, right? Indonesian movies
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: is usually family.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Somebody got something, somebody died. They get do the proper prayers,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: then come back as pong or something, and get pregnant,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: then marry the devil stuff like that. Uh, the Thai
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and I guess the Chinese side is more about the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: karmic cycle, karma, like you do something to someone that
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: is not right, then you come back, uh, pretty, pretty straightforward,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: and then, uh, the Japanese side actually strangely enough is
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: urban legend.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like Ring is it's an urban legend. Like
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the VHS thing is all an urban legend. Then recently
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: they got one, the station 19, right? Also urban legend, uh,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the Koreans are more about, they're talking about society. Like
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you wrong someone in society in Korea and then maybe
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: they off themselves, they come back as a spirit. Somewhat,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: some karmic cycle thing as well, but it's a bit
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: more about society like the Gong Jian asylum, the at
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the hospital.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also, it's also how like uh the people
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: were treated there before, like, you know, it got abandoned la.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: So then then the the restless spirit came back. So,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: so yeah, so I think they got different flavor, but
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: the ghosts about the same, yeah, it's the Asian cuisine.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. Let me ask you guys, so what
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: do you think can be done to keep our understanding
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and appreciation of the supernatural
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: life to have shows like this?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: There you go. Oh, with the wings some more. I
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: was actually about to say go for more night walk.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: You say no more or more
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: more let's go. Then I realize my own grave.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: No, but, um, on a serious note, um, I think
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: why it's able to like connect people from the very
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: start from when we were growing up as kids is
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: because we hear these stories and it connects us and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: then now that we've grown older, we continue the stories
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and so it can connect to the next generations. I,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I think there's when you watch Incredible tales like uh when.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I had uh done this the seasons is that it
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: connected with people because there's so many elements to everything
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: that we're discussing in this episode, um, the family, um,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the whole culture, the whole tying in together, the different
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: cultures because we're like in the same part of Asia.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: So there's sometimes an aspect of just coming together and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: telling stories, it's it's like a community, it's a collective, so.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: That's what makes it special and continuing that on will
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: carry on too.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: For me it's the fascination, right? Like, uh, like my
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: mind is very weird lah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: So I like to think of things like, you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: like there's this island, uh, used to be part of
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Singapore and then we gave it back to Australia, right?
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: It's called Christmas Island. It's very near Australia, right? And
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that strangely enough, the the demographic there is similar to
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Singapore and Malaysia, like, uh, Malays, Chinese, Indians. So I'm
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: thinking like, OK, somewhere so far you can call it
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: an Angor area. Does he have Pontana? Does he have Toyo?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Right, does he have, uh, pochong or this different spirit
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: because of the culture that is there. So I'm thinking
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: of things like that, like the fascination and therefore by
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: thinking about it, I will talk about it, I will
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: research about it, and then the fascination will continue. Yeah, yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: you do your homework. Well done.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: For me it's like having this type of conversation because
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: normally I would do my show alone, right? So whatever
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: they send they send to me, I would just read
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: their stories and mostly it's because it's um of like,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you know, Malay ghost, right? So you're normal, but when
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I came into the show and I listened, you know, to,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: to people's, you know, stories and whatnot, it kind of
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: like opens up.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: You know, and I finally understand, oh, what is, uh,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Kuman tongs or what is uh deity in you guys,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: you know, uh, sorry, what was it called? Duape, is it,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: you know, those, those sort of things. So, um, this
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: type of conversation to me is very interesting and, um,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: you know, hopefully I understand it well so that I
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: can share it with others in the future, you get, yeah, yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: This question is for everyone. What's your favorite creature or
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: spirit that's not from your own culture?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Mine would be
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Bigfoot.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Why this is so mysterious, right? Yeah, it's just there's two,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was supposed to see that.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: OK, let's take Bigfoot.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: There's there's Bigfoot for me, um, because there's the mystery
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: behind it because to this day, people are still trying
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: to figure out who, what Bigfoot is, who Bigfoot is,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: and then you'll have like these blurry pictures or like
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: these accounts and so it's just, it's so mysterious, yet
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: it's still not tangible. So um and then you have
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: like pictures of the like the.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: The princes of like the Bigfoot and everything and to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: this day, you don't know if those are like real
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: princes or not real princes.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Can I ask you, do you think that there's only
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: one singular Bigfoot
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: or like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: no, I think there's more, I don't think there's like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I think there's a whole clan clan of Bigfoot. Yeah,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I think there's a family of Bigfoots.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting. OK, I feel like since Raihan was going like, oh,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Loch Ness Monster, you have to go next, Loch Ness monster, because, um,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I've always been intrigued what's underneath the water, the water, right,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: what's inside and if in fact that it's uh really
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: dark that usually scientists can't really go all the way
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: into find out what exactly lives inside. So when I
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: was there when I was at
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: This is lame, but when I was there when I
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: was on a boat on top of the river while
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: we were actually on the Loch Ness River, I was
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: actually trying to find the monster. I was like, Where
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: is it? Where is it? I'm like, where is it?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like that curiosity that everyone goes there
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: to find it, but they can't find. Such a disappointing
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: thing to do, but eventually it makes money.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: So I guess it's really about the curiosity but whether
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: it exists that makes you really want to find out
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: even until today, I don't even know whether there are
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: real monsters in deep seas. I mean, you
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: know, inside,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: right? I believe there's a lot of creatures.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: That we are uh we're yet to explore in the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: deep sea, but the Loch Ness has this like in
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: between being a monster or prehistoric creature along with there's
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: like so it's, it's, there's a mystery too because like,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: It disappears. You can't find it. You can't, you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: for the longest time, people are trying to get something tangible,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: yet it it pops up, then it goes
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and then all these prints the pictures, all those blurry,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: blurry kind of, you don't know whether it's edited or
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: it's real. It's like, oh, big deal, but is that
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: really a tale, that kind of stuff, yeah.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I, I dare say it's, it's not one particular creature.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: It's just the darkest, deepest, most unknown depths of the ocean.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: That's the, that's the, that's the creature almost that fascinates
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: me the most. I don't think any one particular creature
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: from the depths of the ocean could ever be enough
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: to frighten me as much as what we don't know.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: a writer. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I turned
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the whole ocean into an entity basically.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I'm scared of water for me, I don't know whether
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: this counts as a creature or not, but UFO, you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: like aliens. I wonder if it's true or not. Area 51,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: yeah right, either that or uh mermaid.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: So that's so different because, because the thing is, the
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: thing is some people say that they are friendly creatures,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, again, I don't know whether
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: this is true or not, but some people say they
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: are actually monsters. They are actually very scary looking. so
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: sometimes I wonder,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: but um there are.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Um, accounts of actual mermaids having been washed up, I
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: think this is in the East Coast, and these two
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: boys found the corpse.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And they took pictures on their phone, but then they
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: were confiscated by, you know, men in black, um, so
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it was interesting because what you would think of mermaids,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you know, Ariel and you know, like, you know, very beautiful,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: but this is like the opposite. It's like, you know, um,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: it had like the fish scales and everything, but um.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: The face and everything like from what I remember, because
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it's me doing my research, um, it's just fascinating me
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  Speaker 1: and Kyle kind of understand it's like, and then before
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  Speaker 1: you know it, a lot of the research you do,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: it disappears. Yeah, um, so they look humanlike, but with, um,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: they don't look humanlike but also very alien like, you know,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: with big bulging eyes and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: And it's like there's, I mean, there's different accounts to it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: There's accounts that these are, these were um.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Scientifically, uh, creatures that were made on a particular island off,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: off of that coast and they probably, you know, and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: they appeared on the coast and they had, you know,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: for some reason, it has to be quiet, they have
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to make it quiet as as soon as possible. Um,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: so they might not actually be the mermaids that we
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: think they were like, you know, they were more scientifically um.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Not manufactured like, uh, genetic technically created
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: yeah possible. Oh, so you, you, you're leaning more towards
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the science fiction kind of thing, la, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: isn't that fascinating to you? It is,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: it is. Oh yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Every everything fits under tails.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess next season we're talking about Naga
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: versus mermaid, right? And, OK, but, uh, I mean now
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: that I, you know, I got all your answers.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: My one my one is damn lame. I'm so sorry
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: if you sat through the whole thing to listen to mine.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I just want.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: To meet a vampire. Oh, you're gonna go skier. No, I,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about it, but if vampires are what
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: we see like in the movies like Edward Collin that kind, right,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: or like, OK, at least uh interview with the vampire, right?
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Fair enough. I want to live forever so that I
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: can see flying cars. It's a really lame answer.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just want to see what happens in
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the future because I'm curious. It's a curious thing. I
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: want to see whether if all these things are real
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: and all, so I can live forever. I can somehow
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: wiggle my way into the authorities and then find out
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the secret files now. I finally know. I have to
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: say your reasoning actually makes perfect sense. Yeah, like I
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: was at first I was like vampire, but leave it
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: To come up with the perfect reasoning to make it
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: sound very cool Carl the vampire and Wayne the familiar.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: You told me the world's oldest familiar. I'm sorry.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Guys, this, this has been such a wonderful reunion, such
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: a wonderful passing of the torch as well, um, but
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: we have to wrap things up and of course, when
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: we wrap things up, we go to Kyle with our
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: morbid fact of today. There's a city in Indonesia named Pontana.
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  Speaker 2: Some of you know its origins. Pontana was built in
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  Speaker 2: 1771 by the Sultan Sharif Abdurrahman Alkadri. While workers cleared
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: the forest to build his new palace, they were attacked
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: by a guard, basically Pontana.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: The sultans scared her off by firing cannons, then named
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the city after her. What you might not know is
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: that an annual festival is still held in the city
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: where special cannons are fired to ring the end of
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Ramadan and keep the Pontianaks away. super metal. I know
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: it's like I'm going to chase you away by firing
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: a cannon and then name the city after you. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: what a tribute.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Have, have you heard of this, I heard of the story,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: but not cannons. I thought, I thought he fought them
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: with like, like a crease or something right because it's 1771.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: That was a long time ago I guess they had
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: cannons back in the day like boom, right, OK. When I,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: when I first found out that it was cannons and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: not the crease, I was also a little bit disappointed.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I thought they'd be like, you know, hand to hand
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: combat with Pontiana, but no, it's apparently sounds like someone
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: will make a movie out of it, la, yeah, right.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: But if I'm the Pontian, I'll be sad though. First
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and foremost, you shoo me away from here and you
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: name that place Pontana, and you still don't let me
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: come back. Yeah, hey.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: of mythological gentrification. Wow, 1771, you were there, right?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: It's not a reunion without jabbing at Wayne's age. It
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: was actually
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: his uncle,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: one generation remove. Come on, man. I'm not that old. 1871.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: All right, thank you again, Art and Rahan for joining us.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Thank you. So nice to have you. And thank you
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: to all of you for tuning into Tales from Incredible Tales.
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  Speaker 2: New episodes go online every week on Me Watch, Meliten, YouTube,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Spotify and Apple podcast.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Art.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: My name is Rihan. My name is Wayne. My name
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: is Kyle. My name is, and we'll see you next.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Tales from Incredible Tales was hosted by Far Anwar, Wayne Ray,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: and Kyle Ong, with special guests, Art and Raihan Yao,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: directed and produced by Kyle Ong, written by Wayne Ray,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Assistant director, Chin Chin Wei, director of photography, Shervin Chua, Gaffer,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Chan, camera operators, Joey Chia.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Melvin Long, art director, Jolene Lim, sound recordist Audrey Lee.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Behind the scenes footage shot by Brian Koh, hair and
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: makeup by Bino Lim, Pro production manager, Sherry Yap Ang
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Chie Rui, production assistants, Jamie Teo, Teu Yiuan, post-production by Fudge,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Motion Graphics by Jolene Lim.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Camera support by Nikon, lighting support by Aperture, and Amaron.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Smoke support by PMI Gear and DC Pro Private Limited.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Special thanks to Danny Cordy from Mediacorp. Tales from Incredible
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Tales is a production of Hantu and MediaCorp. Follow the
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• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you for listening.