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5 Takeaways From Ohio State's 41-21 Rose Bowl Blowout Against Oregon · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: And welcome to a very special live episode of Buckeyes
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow Morning for Thursday, January second. I'm your host, Sam Moore.
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  Speaker 1: The Cotton Bowl game against Texas is in eight days.
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  Speaker 1: The game he get especialating three hundred and thirty one days.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy. Ohio State started the twenty twenty five calendar
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  Speaker 1: year with an absolute banger in the Rose Bowl. The
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  Speaker 1: Tournament of Roses Parade theme for the day was best
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  Speaker 1: day Ever and Kevin Noon for Ohio State and a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot of the Buckeyes that felt pretty apropos.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this was Sir se Lanister's best day ever. She
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  Speaker 2: chose violence and Ohio State chose violence. Another tremendous first
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  Speaker 2: quarter start for Ohio State coming off of the heels
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  Speaker 2: of the Tennessee game in the first round of the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State comes out in the first quarter.
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  Speaker 2: And really just I don't even think the score told
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  Speaker 2: the story.
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State scores on a couple of drives, the you know, the.
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  Speaker 2: Oregon Ducks three and out, three and out, the drive
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  Speaker 2: where they do get a first down or something, but
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  Speaker 2: don't really get a whole lot that comes out of that,
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  Speaker 2: and before you know it, Ohio State is just sitting
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  Speaker 2: in cruise control of fourteen nothing at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the quarter. What where it differs from the Tennessee game
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  Speaker 2: is Oiostate puts up twenty points in the second quarter,
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  Speaker 2: where Ohio State was not able to do that. There
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  Speaker 2: but an interesting factoid that I think I have the
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  Speaker 2: number right. In the first quarter of Ohio states last
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  Speaker 2: two games, Ohio State has a mass wait for it,
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  Speaker 2: four hundred and thirty eight yards.
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  Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of that's it's it's good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there were there were points during that first half where
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State was on pace for seventy something points and
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  Speaker 1: was on pace for something like eight hundred yards of
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  Speaker 1: total offense. I mean, it was those are just number
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  Speaker 1: Those are numbers that you know, hey, you do this
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  Speaker 1: against Akron or Kent State, and it's like, yeah, okay, sure,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's a fun it's a fun thing that
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  Speaker 1: you did. Look at look at the thing that you did.
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  Speaker 1: This is the number one team in the country, was
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  Speaker 1: the number one team in the country, and it was
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  Speaker 1: it was just it was over so quickly, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: then it was thirty four to nothing in the first half,
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  Speaker 1: and it was like well, you know, you know, Orgon's
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  Speaker 1: going to make a little bit of a run, and
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  Speaker 1: they got a touchdown before halftime, went for two, got it,
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  Speaker 1: so it's thirty four eight. They had a touchdown again
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  Speaker 1: after right after halftime. Ten plays seventy five yards eleven play,
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  Speaker 1: seventy five yards on those two drives. But I think
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  Speaker 1: the story there is even when Oregons scored, they scored
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  Speaker 1: three touchdowns ten plays, eleven plays, ten plays. For as
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  Speaker 1: bad as Ohio State was in terms of giving up
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  Speaker 1: big plays in the first game, there was just nothing
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  Speaker 1: there for Organ in the big play department.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, really made them earn it.
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  Speaker 2: It reminds me a lot of Organ's really only meaningful touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: That's not true.
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  Speaker 2: But when they played in the twenty I guess fifteen
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  Speaker 2: in the championship game, Oregon, it took them eleven twelve,
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  Speaker 2: thirteen plays with Marcus Mariota quarterback, and Ohio State was
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  Speaker 2: cool with that because they weren't going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to do that over and over and over again. That
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  Speaker 2: was not going to be something that they were going
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  Speaker 2: to be able to replicate.
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  Speaker 3: So kudos to where Jim Knowles.
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  Speaker 2: Has this defense and you know, coming out of the
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  Speaker 2: Oregon game in October on October twelfth, there were a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Ohio State fans like, is this really the
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  Speaker 2: right guy?
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  Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: When he was hired, I said, it took him three
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  Speaker 2: years at every other stop to really get them cooking.
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  Speaker 2: And there certainly have been some some highs and some
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  Speaker 2: lows along the way, but they are they are sky
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  Speaker 2: high right now.
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  Speaker 3: On defense, they are absolutely sky high.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is this was something that you came
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  Speaker 1: into the season thinking this is maybe one of the
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  Speaker 1: most talented defenses in the country. Just look at just
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  Speaker 1: look at the just the five stars. And I know
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  Speaker 1: recruiting rankings don't always exactly correlate, but you got both
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  Speaker 1: defensive ends are five stars. You got Sunny Styles as
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  Speaker 1: a linebacker, he's a five star. You've got Caleb Downs
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  Speaker 1: five star. I mean, and there's a bunch of guys
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  Speaker 1: who have been playing like five stars who were not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily with those recruiting rankings. Tody Simon, Cody Simon, Cody
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  Speaker 1: Simon and Lathan Ransom. My goodness, it's just that this
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  Speaker 1: is like, this is the defense that has been promised
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  Speaker 1: this is a defense when they brought in Jim Knowles
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. As you said, you knew it
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  Speaker 1: was going to take a little while. And the first year,
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  Speaker 1: the first year was oh boy, they gave up too
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  Speaker 1: many big plays, and then last year was the defense
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  Speaker 1: is pretty good, but the offense wasn't there. This is
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  Speaker 1: the year that it feels like stuff is kind of
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  Speaker 1: starting to come, you know, into alignment for Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: right now. Where the offense is doing what the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the elite Ohio State offense you would figure would look
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  Speaker 1: like the defense is doing that. Heck, they kicked a
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  Speaker 1: couple field goals, I mean they would that was Excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: that was as complete a performance as you've seen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I even go back to twenty two
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State plays Georgia. We want to see that. We
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  Speaker 2: want to see dark Bryan Day, we want to see
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  Speaker 2: all of that going on. But remember, I mean, Georgia
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  Speaker 2: put up a ton of points in that game. We're
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  Speaker 2: seeing both units. I'm not quite ready to put special
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  Speaker 2: teams up there yet, but we're seeing the offense and
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  Speaker 2: the defense just really put their will on opposing teams.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they're just taking the wind out of their
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  Speaker 2: sales immediately. And you know, we haven't really gotten to
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  Speaker 2: the point of talking about what the next game is
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  Speaker 2: going to be other than just how long how far
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  Speaker 2: away that game is going to be at this point.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, this is a lot of domination from
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State that you know, haven't seen a lot of
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  Speaker 2: through the years. I mean, yeah, I mean obviously the
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  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen National championshipship year. You know, I think when
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  Speaker 2: you could look back at what was it twenty eighteen
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  Speaker 2: halfways lone years DC the d nineteen nineteen, the defense
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  Speaker 2: was lights out number one a lot of statistical categories.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's where it is right now. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's you know, it's it's crazy where they are. And
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  Speaker 2: just to think that we are a month plus off
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  Speaker 2: of what people have called maybe the worst game in
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  Speaker 2: in the Ohio State football program's history, we've witnessed two
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  Speaker 2: of the top tier games.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that Michigan Law certainly is looking like even
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  Speaker 1: more of an outlier than it did at the time.
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  Speaker 1: But man, I think there's a certain argument to be
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  Speaker 1: made that that might have been exactly the kick in
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  Speaker 1: the butt this team needed where And you know, is
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  Speaker 1: it the players that needed to kick in the butt,
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  Speaker 1: is that the coaches need to kick in the butt?
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  Speaker 1: Whoever you think needed to kick in the butt, they
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  Speaker 1: got it and you're seeing the results right now. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I know that's not a game that any
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State fan is ever going to say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I sacrifice this one for that one. But yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: have to like where Ohio State is right now, because
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  Speaker 1: buck guys, are you you pulled up the betting odds
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  Speaker 1: on that national championship they were, They're essentially even money
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  Speaker 1: at this point, and they still have two games to go,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of other talented teams out there.
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  Speaker 1: This is not you know, this is not Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: And you know they're not in the half of the
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  Speaker 1: bracket where all they have to do is be Boise
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  Speaker 1: State and smu. No, this is there's nothing but big
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  Speaker 1: boys left Texas and then your choice of Penn State,
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  Speaker 1: Georgia or Notre Dame. I mean, these are these are
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  Speaker 1: some of the biggest, biggest teams in the country, but
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  Speaker 1: a lot of other teams are banged up. Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: has been banged up too, but Ohio State right now
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  Speaker 1: is playing with just the depth that Ohio State has
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  Speaker 1: in this roster. This is the time of year when
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  Speaker 1: you bring in the extra depth so that then you
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  Speaker 1: have guys to put in right now because you know
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  Speaker 1: you're going to lose people at some point and they
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  Speaker 1: have the roster to deal with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot about Ohio State not playing
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  Speaker 2: with tempo earlier in the season, Ohio State and really
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  Speaker 2: keeping a lot of guys on pitch counts. Well, this
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  Speaker 2: is the time where guys have a lot of their
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  Speaker 2: legs left.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that is so important there.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, we've always talked about strength and conditioning
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  Speaker 2: and a team that can sit there and excel in
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  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. I mean, Ohio State's putting teams out
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  Speaker 2: of their misery in the first half. I mean, if not,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the beginning of the third quarter and it's over.
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  Speaker 2: So I think Ohio State really is in a perfect storm.
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  Speaker 2: And and and and you know, I agree with what
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  Speaker 2: Tom said there. I mean, Ohio State has to play
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  Speaker 2: the extra game with the first round and then has
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  Speaker 2: to come out to the West Coast and play Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: Now is going to have to go out to the
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  Speaker 2: Cotton Bowl to go play Texas and then potentially could
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  Speaker 2: have to play Georgia in the you know, in the
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  Speaker 2: National Championship game. I personally don't think Georgia gets pass
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  Speaker 2: a Notre Dame. I think that Georgia's offense is horrible.
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  Speaker 3: But uh, you know, we'll.
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  Speaker 2: We'll cross that bridge when we get to it if
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State is able to get past the long arms.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and there's not a team right now, I
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  Speaker 1: mean Notre Dame. We talked about Riley Mills being out
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  Speaker 1: on the earlier show. Uh, not the last show, the
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  Speaker 1: show before the last show, but after the first show.
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  Speaker 1: We've done a lot of shows tonight. It's been it's
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  Speaker 1: been a busy. It's been a busy night. But we
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you guys all sticking up there and staying up
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into the comments and the questions. If
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  Speaker 1: you do have questions, throw some questions in there. I've
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  Speaker 1: got a couple I've started already and we'll get into those.
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  Speaker 1: But the one of the places where like I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: everyone's like, why are these idiots not talking about Jeremiah Smith.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get there like we got it, like we.
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  Speaker 2: I think in the four hours and fifteen minutes of
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  Speaker 2: the show has been on, there's been a little Jeremiah talk.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the things that I think I really
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  Speaker 1: wanted to touch on because I don't know if we
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  Speaker 1: talked about it on the previous show in a ton
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  Speaker 1: of detail, but it's something I put out on Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: and it's I think Donovan Jackson is really a little
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  Speaker 1: bit under a pre shaded by Ohio State fans. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean people are slagging him or anything like that,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just I don't know that people really understand
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  Speaker 1: what he did for this team and how important it
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  Speaker 1: is that he did what he did for this team.
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  Speaker 1: Because you had Josh Simmons go down, and Josh Simmons
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  Speaker 1: was actually at the Rose Ball. I didn't seen Josh
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  Speaker 1: Shimm's around the program. I couldn't think in recent weeks,
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  Speaker 1: but he was out here. Obviously went to San Diego State,
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  Speaker 1: so kind of a local guy. Yeah, yeah, he's from
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  Speaker 1: San Diego, so so he you know, he may have
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  Speaker 1: been not around the program a ton, but was it
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  Speaker 1: the game again in the Rose Bowl. But he goes
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  Speaker 1: down against Oregon the first time, and that's probably, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of the many things that went against Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: in that first matchup. And then zen Mahalski comes in
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  Speaker 1: and then he goes down, and then you're kind of
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  Speaker 1: looking around and it's like you've still had half the
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  Speaker 1: season almost to play at that point. That was the
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  Speaker 1: Nebraska game. That was the seventh game of the season.
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  Speaker 1: They've played seven games since then, and Donovan Jackson's been
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  Speaker 1: that left tackle for I think pretty much all of them.
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  Speaker 1: There was a easy, clear answer at that point. We
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  Speaker 1: did a lot of shows talking about, well, they could
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  Speaker 1: do this, they could do that, they had approach terodactyl,
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  Speaker 1: but they there was not a definitive like this is yah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely no problem to do this and there'll be no problem.
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  Speaker 1: He had not played tackle before and then the first
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  Speaker 1: game he plays tackle is at Penn State against Abdua
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  Speaker 1: Carter who is pretty good at football and pretty good
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  Speaker 1: at making your quarterback run around and be scared.
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  Speaker 3: True.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he had a couple of plays and that
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  Speaker 1: one where it was like, yeah, they really needed to
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  Speaker 1: give him some help there. Since then, you really haven't
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  Speaker 1: noticed him. And the problem is he's been so good
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  Speaker 1: that you're not noticing him, so you forget about what
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  Speaker 1: he's done. But what you know to to with an
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  Speaker 1: NFL draft four months away at this point, for him
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  Speaker 1: to make that sacrifice and play it, you know, put
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  Speaker 1: yourself in a spot where you're playing a position you
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  Speaker 1: haven't played before at the college level, that's an enormous sacrifice.
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  Speaker 1: And can you even imagine where they'd be if he
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  Speaker 1: hadn't done what's planned be there?
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  Speaker 2: It would have been really easy for him to screw
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  Speaker 2: up his draft status as well, because you moved from
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  Speaker 2: being an All American level guard to tackle a position
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  Speaker 2: you don't play, and then you muddy the waters. And
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  Speaker 2: you think, well, from NFL front offices, they're they're smart
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  Speaker 2: enough to be able to you know, discern fact from
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  Speaker 2: you know fluff, and no, we see dumb players get
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  Speaker 2: drafted all the time and not dumb, but just dumb
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  Speaker 2: decisions of drafting these players. So with what you know,
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  Speaker 2: with what Donovan Jackson's been able to do, and really
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  Speaker 2: just solidify that position has been has been incredible. And
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  Speaker 2: let's not forget Ohio State went against James Kars junior
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  Speaker 2: last last round against Tennessee did a great job there.
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  Speaker 2: Oo State went against Jordan Birch and mateo, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: was close.
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  Speaker 3: I knew if I if I mumbled the end of it,
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  Speaker 3: I would be okay.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, and it's it's it's I think it's a testament
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  Speaker 2: to what Donovan Jackson's able to do. But I know that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I know that Justin Fry's been a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a whipping boy in terms of where fans see things.
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  Speaker 2: And this is not a pass for where recruiting is.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the first one to admit that recruiting has not
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  Speaker 2: been up to snuff, but the development has been pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I think that everybody can you know,
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  Speaker 2: take a moment to appreciate that and then get back
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  Speaker 2: to being pissed off about recruiting. And again, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: here to call anybody the lunatic French.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he I think there's it's very easy to
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  Speaker 1: go from one extreme to another. I mean, House it
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  Speaker 1: loses to Michigan and they're never going to win a
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  Speaker 1: football game ever again, and they should fire everyone out
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  Speaker 1: the program down. Yeah, and then they beat Tennessee and
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  Speaker 1: like sixty percent of the fan base is back on
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  Speaker 1: the bandwagon. And then tonight, I mean, I I can't
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  Speaker 1: imagine you know, if they're if they're Ohio State fans tonight,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that that is the looting tick. Friend, You're like,
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  Speaker 1: you're never going to You're never getting. Yeah, if you
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  Speaker 1: if a Rose Bowl Championship college football playoff win like
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  Speaker 1: that over the you know, number one team in the
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  Speaker 1: country where you're up thirty four to nothing in the
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  Speaker 1: first half, if that's not good enough for you, like
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  Speaker 1: you may just need to find a different hobby, Like
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  Speaker 1: this college football may not be for you. If that,
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  Speaker 1: if that doesn't kind of move the needle. And obviously
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  Speaker 1: the team is gonna be the first one to tell you, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's still work to do. No, no kidding, there's still
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  Speaker 1: there's still They're only halfway through. They Sobrees Davis gave
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Day a football on the podium, and I think
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  Speaker 1: it had the scores of Tennessee and the Oregon games
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  Speaker 1: where they had the logos of the teams they've beaten
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  Speaker 1: on there, and he said, you know, there's there's room
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  Speaker 1: for a couple more on there. And so obviously there
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  Speaker 1: is more work to do for the Buckeyes. But the
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  Speaker 1: good news is when they have to do that work,
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  Speaker 1: they have Jeremiah Smith on their side.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's pretty good and you know, letting
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  Speaker 2: him talk about him this week and you know, really
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  Speaker 2: so he had seven receptions a touchdown last time around,
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  Speaker 2: and it just, you know, it largely felt like he
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  Speaker 2: was underutilized in that game.
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  Speaker 3: Well damn it. Ohio State was not going.
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  Speaker 2: To allow that to happen this time around and got
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  Speaker 2: him involved early and Jeremiah Smith did not disappoint. A
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  Speaker 2: couple of scores, a couple of catches that he's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't catch that? How did he catch that? And
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's just a Wednesday for Jeremiah Smith. And
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  Speaker 2: we truly are looking at a generational player. I know
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  Speaker 2: I've said this on shows before, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: say it again. Yes, we the Bosas and Chase hung
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  Speaker 2: were all generational type players, and they all occurred, you know,
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  Speaker 2: largely within a decade plus, but there were guys that
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  Speaker 2: were able to kind of step into that role there.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody is going to be Jeremiah Smith. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to put that kind of heat on Chris Henry Jr.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to put that kind of heat on Brown.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to put that heat on even a
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: teammate on the team right now, Mylon Graham. Jeremiah Smith
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: is one of one, and you know, just just enjoy it.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: And you know, he's he's got two more seasons barring
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: you know, something crazy happening with in NFL eligibility rules.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: And now this is not a kid that just falls
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: back on his talent and it doesn't put in the work.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, no, we've not seen him on the We've
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: not seen him on the Monarch, you know, basically the
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Drugs Machine the way that we saw Marvin. But I
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: don't know what it is that Jeremiah is doing. But
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: young man keep doing that.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you look at Marvin Harrison Junior, who a
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: year ago was I think he didn't win the Blittanikoff
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: right or he was.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: A finalist.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: The year the year that he lost, he should have won.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: And the year that he won, you could make an
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: argument he should have lost.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: But but you know, he's a Blatankov winner and went
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: number three in the NFL draft and his third year
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: productivity this you know, the the yardage touchdowns, he had
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: twelve touchdowns. Jeremiah Smith already had twelve touchdowns.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: He's a freshman.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: He's a freshman and he's at twelve and that's the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: guy who was going to go you know, those number
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: three overall in the NFL draft and Jeremiah Smith, I mean,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: people are already talking about him. Know, if he was eligible,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: he would go number one right now. I mean I've
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: seen several NFL times say that guy. Yeah, And some
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: of that is it's not a great quarterback class, but
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: it's also.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: You watch the Rose Bowl and he you know, he
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: had two touchdowns. The play that you're talking about, you know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the sort of the wow factor. The wow play for
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: me was there's one where Will Howard kind of throws
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: one up and there's three Oregon defenders, there's three Green
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: jerseys around there, and Jeremih Smith goes up and just
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: pulls it down and it was like what because he
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: in Columbus before we came down here, gave an interview.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: This was last Saturday, and he talked about the fact,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: you know, we asked him short, when you're bracketed, do
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you feel like you're open? Yes, And so then Tony
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: asked him, Okay, so how many guys have to be
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: on you? He was like, oh, I don't know, like
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the whole team, and Will Howard talked about it in
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: terms of will that yeah, yeah, us. Will you know
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: what a team effort that was? You me, you, me
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and Tony. We tried to. We we tried to, you know,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: we were right with this Jeremiah. We tried to, we
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: tried to triple cover Jeremiah, and he moved it, moved
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the ball on us as well. Yeah, yeah, he uh,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: you know, he basically said, you know, it's anyone and
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: he doesn't It really doesn't matter if the whole team's
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: on him, maybe he'll feel like he's covered.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Will Howard talked about, you know, three four guys, but
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you threw it up with three guys there and he
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: caught it. And that's just that is not a normal thing.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: And what's really interesting about Jeremiah Smith is he's putting
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: up these insane numbers. He had won one hundred and seventy
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: nine yards or something like that. In the Rose Bowl.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: It was six catches, sorry, seven catches, one hundred and
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: eighty seven yards, two touchdowns, ten targets, but it was
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: ten targets and he put up most of that before halftime.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Because they didn't need him for the second game in
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: a row, playing the College Football Playoff, they functionally didn't
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: need him in the fourth quarter. I don't think he
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: played at all in the fourth quarter.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Last week.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: He played in the fourth quarter, but I don't think
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I threw the ball in the fourth quarter this this week.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: These guys are a little more arrested than you would think.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: You would expect this to be sixty minute slugfest, and
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: they haven't been. And so not only are you guys
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: maybe a little more rested and the rotating more than
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: that you might have expected in these kinds of games,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: there's also the overage that that's a term that Chip
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Kelly and Ryan Day will to use in terms of like, well,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: we had all these plays, you know, you know, drawing
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: up for this game, and then we didn't end up
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: using some of them. So the overage is like, well,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: we can just sort of throw that back on the
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: shelf and pull it up, pull it out later. There's
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: probably a bunch of stuff still sitting on that shelf
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that other teams are burning through their good material right
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: now in Ohio State because they've just been able to
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: separate so quickly, hasn't had to do that.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you wonder what is still left out there.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And they'll take their twenty four hours to enjoy this
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: win and then it's on to Texas. But I guarantee
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: you that they had you know, they had assistant you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: lower level staffers going through and cutting up Texas and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: cutting up Arizona State just just to be ready. And
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: they'll they'll start to look and see what things may
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: work against the Longhorns. Because I'm going to tell you this,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: there is you know, there's not an offense like the
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Ohio State offense running around in the SEC right now,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: plain and simple. Yeah, talk about it being a back
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: quarterback draft. I mean, if quarterbacking in the SEC is
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: suboptimal this year, I think I think Jay Lagway is
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: going to be pretty good. I think there's some guys
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: that are going to be able to step into into.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Roles as time goes on.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: But there's nothing that Texas has seen that is going
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: to prepare them for what Ohio State does. Now, who
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: is going to be better on that Friday night. That's
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: you know, we're going to have to wait to see.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And that's why you play the games, you know. It
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: was it was really interesting in the build up to
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: this Ohio State Oregon. There was you know, there were
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: two school of thoughts that they it's hard to beat
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: a team twice. Ohio State's playing hot versus the Oregon
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: just has their number and they're going to be able
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to do this. I mean, look, it's it's the one
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: versus the eight for peet's sake. But you know, just
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: the over it is going to be pretty amazing to see.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: There.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: You go back and you look at the Oregon defense,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and maybe the past defense was maybe the softer side
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: of where some things were on the defense. But Ohio
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: State just did some things against Oregon that just were unnatural.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I mean it was. It was pretty darn amazing.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Will Howard finishes sixty five percent completion. He
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: was He's been eighty percent for like half the season,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: so this was a little bit lower on that side,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: but three hundred and nineteen yards, three touchdowns. They are
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: they finished eight point eight yards per play, five point
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: eight yards per brush, eighteen point eight yards per completion.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: That is nuts. Travian Henderson eight carries ninety four yards,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that sixty six yard or for one of the touchdowns
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: eleven point eight yards per carry. Quin John Judkins deal,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I know Travan Henderson had the two touchdowns. I know
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Travanna Henderson rush for more yards. I know Travan Henderson
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: had a longer run. I know long Travan Henderson average
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: more yards. I know all of these things. Quin John
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Judkins going seventeen carries eighty five yards, averaging five yards
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to carry with a long of eighteen, which means you
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: didn't do it. Just you know, you didn't go seventeen
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: carries eighty five yards by going eighty yards on one
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: carry and getting stuffed at the line the other sixteen times.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of fours, a lot of fives,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: just keeping Ohio Stata schedule. There were a bunch of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: times when they hand the ball to him on first
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: down and it was second and five, they hand the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: ball to him on second and eight and it would
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: be third and three. Kind of you know, it was
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: just kind of keeping them on, keeping him on schedule.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: And they didn't have to run the ball a million times.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: They ran at thirty one, which is not I mean,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that's a decent number, but it's not Niggo crazy high number.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: But that only had fifty seven offensive plays. Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were able to do. This is this
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: is what Ryan they talked about. Where balance isn't we
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: do the same thing the same you know, we run
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it as many times as we pass it, and we
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: get as many yards as one as we as another.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: It's the ability to just do whatever you want to do.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: That's what balance is. And they certainly had balance. I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: mean they really, I mean they did.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: And I think I said in one of my pieces
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: that I, you know, I wanted to see Ohio State
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: go at least four point seven yards per carry for
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the game, or at least for the backs, because I
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you know, you're gonna have your debates about sack adjusted
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: rushing yardage. Oregon rush for minus twenty three yards, but
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that's because Dylan Gabriel had minus forty three rushing yards
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and that was largely because Ohio State's defense just smothered
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: than overwhelmed them. So yeah, that balance is important and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: it really kept them off guard, I mean, and once again,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: like the like the Tennessee game, Ohio State came out
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: past past pass packs, I mean, and it was all
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: passing at the beginning, but they were able to move
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the chains. And one hundred and eighty one yards against
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: a pretty good rush defense is very impressive. So you
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: can go in and I'll start digging into the numbers
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: for Texas probably on Friday and looking at things there
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: with Ohios take going for one fifty six against Tennessee
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and going one to eighty one against again story and
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: that's pretty impressive for you know what I'm seeing there.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And if you're wondering what I'm doing off camera, I'm
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: doing another one of those behind the scenes videos, just
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like what it's like to cover the rose ball during
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the game. So you'll watch this and then you edit
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: together the podcast clip where we're talking about that. So
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that's what that is right now. So all right, so
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: done with that. Now let's talk about the Ohio State defense,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: because holy most that was Dylan Gabriel, who looked like
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: no Ohio State player was ever going to tackle him.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: In the first game, where he just constantly was elusive
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: was getting out, was finding receivers down the field. He's
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: still had a really solid day numerically statistically twenty nine
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: for forty one, two ninety nine, a couple of touchdowns,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: no picks, so he completed more passes or more passes
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: for seventy higher completion percentage. In Will Howard, he had
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: an okay day, But I mean a lot of that
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was because they were desperately down and they could not
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: run the ball at all, and the Oregon defensive offensive
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: line they couldn't open up holes in the run game,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and they couldn't protect Dylan Gabriel And you know, other
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: than that, missus Lincoln, how did the game go? But
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the Ohio State defensive line deserves a ton of credit
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: because that was another just dominating performance.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I think in one of my prediction type pieces, I
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, you'll get at least two sacks. Well
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: it was more than two, and I think when they
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: got the first sack, I was pretty impressed with all
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: of that. But when you end up with eight sacks,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I mean that is just that is unbelievable. He sit
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: there and you go through there. I mean, just Cody Simon.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I know we're talking as we're talking about d Lineman,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: but you know, you can talk about Cody Simon. It's
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: fine in two sacks, three TFLs, a PBu and a
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: partridge and of Patree. I mean, he really kind of
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: did everything right there. It was just a complete effort.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I try to sit there and think of you know where,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: did Ohio State really have a breakdo?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, so Ohio State gave up twenty one points,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't It was an effect of like.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: A real huge breakdown.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a couple of third downs that it
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: would have been nice if they could have gotten Organ
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: off the.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Field a lot.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You know, not being able to get to Gabriel or
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to affect the pass at the end of the first
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: half or two seconds left or the touchdown certainly was disappointing.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: But this is a forty one one. This is a
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: twenty point win that honestly, that does not tell the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: full story. It really is more like a forty point
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: win in my opinion from how it felt. Now, you know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: maybe as time goes on, have a little bit more
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: time to reflect watch the TV copy, I may feel differently,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: but coming out of it, this was just domination in
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: almost every aspect.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Well, when you look at eight sacks to zero, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: then you look at even if you take the sacks
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: out of the out and you just talk about the
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: yards per carry for the running backs and we're just
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: we'll just use yards per cary for running backs and sacks.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: So we got eight sacks to zero and the team
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: that had eight sacks had running backs run for eleven
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: point eight yards per carry and five yards per carry.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: The team that did not had running backs run for
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: two and zero point five. That is, you got your
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: faces caved in on the line of scrimmage on both
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: sides of the ball, like period, full stop. That is
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that you know, there's lots of you know, it's easy
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to talk and it's fun to talk about Jeremiah Smith,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and it's fun to talk about about, you know, Trevion
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Henderson going sixty six yards or whatever it is. You
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: win the game at the trenches and Ohio State like
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: dominated that game in the trenches, and I'm with you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I felt like as I was watching it, like, boy,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: it feels like they're really winning the line of scrimmage.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: But I'm down on the field. I don't have a
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: great view of that. That's that's like the worst thing
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: for me to try and evaluate live during the game.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: So I do want to go back and watch that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I will try and probably do that Saturday Thursday morning
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: before we leave here. But it that was Ohio States
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: defense just absolutely saying nope, no, thank you, Like you
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: look at how easy the Ohio State touchdown drives were.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: It was just okay, well get the ball Jeremiah Smith
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and space and he'll go do something and touchdown. Boom, easyps,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: no problem. Ohio States touchdown drives three plays seventy five yards,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: three plays fifty three yards. They had a ten play
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: sixty three yard field goal drive, two plays forty eight yards,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: one play sixty six yards. They had four touchdown drives
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that totaled nine plays. Oregon did not have a touchdown
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: drive of less than ten plays. Oregon had to do
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: everything on hard mode, like Oregon was like trying to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: climb up uphill on black ice, and Ohio States just
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: kind of like swishing down the mountain like effortless like that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: That was the I think that's the biggest takeaway half
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: from the Ohio State defense is just it just looks
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: so hard. Even when teams score, it just looks like
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: it's so hard to do anything effective against them.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Well, one of my favorite memes out there certain famous
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: basketball players, and I took that personally. I think Ohio State,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: on both sides of all took this personally and went
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: out and just made it so.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Difficult for Oregon all night.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, defense just really you know, boa constrictor and
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: just choked the life out of out of Oregon. The
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: offense was more of a viper, a pit viper with
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: with the quick strike and the poison boom, You're you're
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: a goner at that point. It's it's it's unbelievable with
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: just the precision that they were able.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: To do things. And of course, and I'm sitting too
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: far away from the chat to read anything.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: It's nothing bad, I know, but.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Somebody, I'm sure is said at some point over the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: four and a half hours, and where was this against
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: you know, Oregon the first time, or against Michigan, or
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: hell even against Nebraska, which was which was Ohio State's
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: stinker of a win. You know, but Oregon had a
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: stinker of a win at Wisconsin as well.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: So uh again, I I.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Still I don't know if there are enough platitudes that
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I can throw out there at this.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Point for what, you know, what I saw.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I mean it really for a game that was supposed
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to be high, you know, hotly contested and everything else,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, Oregon very well could be leading in
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter and Ohio State is going to have
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: to come back on the on the on the pregame
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: show that with Tony Gerderman earlier on on game Day.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Well I was wrong on that one because Oregon never
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: had a chance.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: No, all right, so here look, here's the super chef
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: from Jordan Kaplan. Probably a dumb question because that's media.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: You can't be biased. But do you guys have a
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: favorite play or sequence of events from today's game? You know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: we can we can watch football and go that was cool,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Like there's stuff that you know, teams do against Ohio State.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: There was like that's like, wow, that was really amazing.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's not that's not that's not based
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: on you know, you can you can recognize greatness or
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: amazing stuff, you know, without without that reflecting bias. Did
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you have anything in particular, because.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I like every Jeremiah catch I thak.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I mean I think a couple of the sacks were
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: pretty amazing to me as well.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: It's it's just.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Really in some ways, it was like you just savored
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: every moment of watching a team go out and play
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: good football. I mean, when you know, regardless of the team,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you cover the team. You don't cover a team going
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: out there and executing highly. But at other points too,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: it was kind of just a flash because Ohio State
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: was just moving.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Around so quickly.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And I mean just I think Ohio State start, I think,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I really think it just comes down to the start
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and being up fourteen nothing the end of one and
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: just putting the vice grip on on Oregon on the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: other side of the ball.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was that was just the whole first half
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: was you know, you never, you know, you never compare
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a baseball player to Mickey Mantle. You never, you know,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: you never say someone's the next Patrick Mahomes, Like you
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: never say, boy, this game reminds me of the twenty
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: fourteen Big Ten Championship game, And I had not said
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: that in the ten years and a month since the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen Big Ten Championship game. That game reminded me
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: of the twenty fourteen Big Ten Championship game where it
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: was just, you know, there was two interesting teams pretty
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: evenly match, should be a good game, and then one
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of them, just one of them is the Avalanche and
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the other one is the Skier, and it's like, Nope,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: that's that's not that's not how that's you know, this
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: is this is over early. And I had a stat
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: from that I saw on op the stats on Twitter.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: This is the first time in the team has had
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: three wins by twenty plus points against ap Top ten
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: opponents in the same season since Nebraska had four in
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five and route to the National Championship. And
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: that Nebraska nineteen by ninety five team was always sort
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: of the standard for me in terms of best college
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: football teams I've ever seen, because they just they I
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: think had one game against Kansas State that was like
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: fourteen points and everything else was just like all right,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: into the combine harvester with you and then and then
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you throw the next team in the next week, the Pigs, Yeah, exactly,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and so Ohio State. They beat Indiana, who was number
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: five at the time. By twenty three, they beat Tennessee,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: who was number seven at the time. By twenty five,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: they beat Oregon, who's number one, by twenty and you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: not as close as the score indicated. As you said,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the context around this team right
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: now that I know this has been a really kind
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: of up and down season for Ohio State fans in
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: some ways, and I know that the you know, the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: two losses were stuff that you kind of went, this
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: team is too talented to be doing this, And yeah,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: they probably were too talented for doing this, but they're
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: not doing it now, and if they don't do it
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: in the next two games, well then you're gonna have
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: a nice shiny trophy at the end of it.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: No darn, No darn.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: But it's funny that you mentioned the twenty fourteen Big
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Ten Championship game because I was sitting next to a
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: couple of newspaper writers and we all kind of came
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: to the same conclusion at the same moment, and it
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: was all like we were hive mind and we all
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: had the same thing going and We're all like, this
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: feels a lot.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Like that Wisconsin game.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: And I'm glad that we weren't the only ones that
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: felt that way because it was it was shaping up
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to be that. I mean, Ohio State was really shaping
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: up to have to have the ducks completely on the
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: ropes if not for that last, you know, that touchdown
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: at the end of the of the half.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: But even with that, I mean that was too little,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: too late.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know that I actually gave an
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: answer to this question. I'm sorry. I feel my brain
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: going into power save mode at this point. I got
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: up at four o'clock Pacific time this morning to get
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to the you'll cover the parade, so I will apologize
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: for if I'm if I'm lagging. If you see me,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: if you see the buffering thing in front of my face,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: that's what that is. But my I think my amazing
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: play and there are some good suggestions in here, and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I'll get to a couple of the other ones. But
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the play where Oregon had three guys on Jeremiah Smith
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and he goes up and he catches it like that
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't the flashiest play that was That was you know,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: he scores touchdowns like you've seen that before. I've never
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I've seen him going into double coverage. I've never seen
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: him get go up into triple coverage. That was the
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: one where I kind of went like, whoa, what, how
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: did he do that? And it just and it's just
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: like yeah, sure, you watch it and it's like, oh, yeah,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: sure that of course, of course he did it. That's
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: what he does.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: It was a more difficult catch than the touchdown where
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: there wasn't a defensive player within La County.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Mm. Yeah, And here's from Robert. He says, the first
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: JJ touchdown was awesome, but the tray sixty six yard
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: or felt like the final dagger, that classic first half dagger.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: But that that was one of the things that made
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it made it feel like that twenty fourteen Wisconsin game
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: where Ohio State was up twenty four and I think
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: they had a long touchdown run or something like that
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to make it thirty one, and then right before the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: half you had Joey Bosa with the scoop and score
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: off the fumble for Melvin Gordon. And that was the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: one where like that was the one where like the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: game just like went to plaid and and that Jared
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that tre Von Henderson won was the moment that was
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, like, what is going on here?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Because I'm again I'm going to read this to you.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Three plays seventy five yards, three plays fifty three yards,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: two plays forty eight yards, one play sixty six yards.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Those were the touchdown drives.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: It was this was you know when you when you
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: get a new a new copy of EA and you're like,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to play like Norfolk State and
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do it on JV mode. Just so
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I get that. That was the first half and that
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: was against number one team in the country. That that
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: was amazing to me. So yeah, give give Robert credit
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: on that one. Now here's here's a good one from
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Rick Glad. The tight ends are really starting to cook
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: some really good blocking. I know they can catch the
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: ball and you know, it did not take very long
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: for them to get g Scott involved in in the
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: passing game today.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no overage there. They sat there and
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: made sure they were going to get that one in.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: And uh.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Again, we always joke about as as the year of
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the tight end, and no, it's gonna be the year
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: of Jeremiah Smith. But tight ends are doing well and
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: g Scott that was you know that was. That was
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: a tremendous concept and I'm looking forward to you know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: watching it hopefully from kind of a top down view
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: and kind of figured out there was I know, there
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: was a little bit of a rubb route in there
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: that kind of occupied his defender and uh, you know
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: he he took.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: It for a while.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Leo has a question about the defense. Did Jermaine
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Matthews get some snaps? And yes, Jermaine Matthews was playing
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: out there. They are you know, we talked earlier about
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the defensive line and how they're rotating more of the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: defensive line, but you're seeing more rotation in a lot
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of places. You're seeing Rvel Reese in there with the
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: linebackers where it's you know, yeah it's Cody Simon and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: yeah it's sunny styles. But also even when they're not,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: you know, playing a team where you're going to play
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: three linebackers, you're playing more r Rovalis because he's viewed
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: as a starter, so they're gonna work him in there.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Jermaine Matthews is someone who they view as a starter,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and yeah, you're gonna start Davis Sinegmonosen and Denzel Burke,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: but they feel like they can put Jerma and Matthews
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: in without having a drop off, and they know, hey,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you still have two games coming up against big, big
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: time teams. You're going to have to continue to play
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: your death and you need to have someone ready in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: case someone goes down. That's that's true, you know, everywhere
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: everywhere on the field. One thing we didn't mention on
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the earlier show that I noticed. Did you see that
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Mylon Graham was out there at the end of the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: game like they were playing. He was like all the ones,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And they had Bryson Rodgers out there for a couple
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: of times and then but then they had Mylon Graham
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: out there. I thought that was very interest.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Doesn't count against the red shirt.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly. You you and he you know, he
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: was just like run blocking. But I just thought like, huh,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: all right, well you remember, remember Jayden Ballard is gone,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Kojo Antweet is still around. I saw Kojo today, but
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: he you know, he's they don't need to get him
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: writing for next year. Yeah, he's in. I mean, he's
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: literally in the portal already. So you know, Ballard gone,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Kojo gone, So myle and Graham kind of is that
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: next man up and in some ways in that outside
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: of you know, brandon In this obviously is I wonder
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I wonder if we would if you asked Brian Hartline
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: if he considers Brandon In as a starter, if he
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: would because inno is he's been you know, inn this
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: is getting the reps like he's kind of in that conversation,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: but obviously not as many as the starting three. I'd
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: be interested to, uh, maybe we'll get a chance to
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: talk to him about that, be interested to find that out.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Jason Wander says Texas can slow and down by using
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: by getting outside pressure. They have to get pressure though
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the Texas DBS cannot hold up without it. I have
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: not watched I assume you have.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Probably I watched Texas Texas on them. I watched Texas
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: ou okay, but I watched.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Them both more from a fan standpoint and less from
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: a critical standpoint. You know, at no point did I
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: necessarily think Ohio State was going to match up for Texas.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So when I watched those games, I didn't watch it
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: as a critical eye. I watched it with a with
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: a cheeseburger and a cold brew.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's I've had. It was I think it
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: was the Tennessee Arkansas game. I had like sort of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: been passively watching it, and then we sat down to
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: do that as of rewatch before the first round of
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the playoff, and I turned it on and I'm like,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: this all looks sort of vaguely familiar, but it's just
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: sort of like you're passively consuming it and then you
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: know ninety percent of it has flown out of your
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: brain twenty four hours later. So yeah, I'm going to
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: start probably watching Texas tomorrow. That might be my homework
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: on the airplane on the way home tomorrow.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: We do also have before that, we'll we have to
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: watch the Shore.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, goodness. Yeah, it's and I don't
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: know if we're going to get to watch the whole
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: shirt what we might get to watch part of what.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: We're gonna watch part of it on the plane and
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: then we get to Phoenix and then we'll find somewhere
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and hopefully we can watch close to the gate on
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: our devices or whatever.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: So so we'll we'll do some some Texas study coming up.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: But I think my sense for just about everyone in
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: the country is you don't have as many good cornerbacks
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: as Ohio State has wide receivers just because who has
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: three great cornerbacks like Cardill Tait is you know, the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: third wide receiver and the Date can't wait to tell
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you one. Yeah, yeah, the Date folks can't wait to
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: tell you that he's not the third. You know, they
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: have three ones, but he you know, if he's if
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you're viewing him as well, he's the third of their
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: number one wide receivers. Who has a cornerback? Is it
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: is Carnel Tait as their third of their number one cornerbacks.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I would submit that we have seen multiple pretty good
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: teams the last couple of weeks who could not match
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: up with that, and that you know you'd have those
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and if you do have those three cornerbacks, great, can
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: you match up with Travon Henderson and quin John Jenkins
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: because that's all that's a different challenge. It's just I
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: think that the Texas defensive line is one of the
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: best in the country, if not potentially the best in
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the country. But I think there's questions behind that.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: And I don't think Tennessee though as well.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, so yeah, so we'll give be able to
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: give you much more informed answer on Texas stuff. Probably
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: twenty four to forty eight hours from now. Doug Sheppard says, Tom,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: And have you research research Texas yet? Not yet. We
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: had talked about that on the earlier show. So no,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: we did not grind any Texas film on the media.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Shuttle back from the Rose Bowl, Terry says, Allegedly, Tennessee
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: had the best defensive line in the Sea. See what's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on Texas's defense? You know again, I mean.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: To be determined. Let us let us let us watch
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: a little bit of tape on that one. That's just
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: really it's coming. I mean, because there's not a lot
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: of time between these. It's a little bit more time
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: than a standard game week instead of you know, a
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: seven day cycle.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's a ten day cycle or so, or.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: It's a nine days it's on the games on the
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: a nine day.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Cycle, but you know, a hair longer. But you had
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of travel to deal with as well as
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: do we.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Yep, So here's one from William Vance. Here's the thought
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: you Ers loses his last game with Texas to Ohio State,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: enters the portal and wins his first start versus Texas
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: the following year, because the Ohio State, of course opens
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: with Texas next year. I don't think Ohio State's in
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the market for a number one quarterback in I think
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: they think they've got their guy on the roster right now.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I had seen him linked to like Michigan State, Like
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: that make a ton of sense, Michigan State. If they
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: don't think that, oh boy, now I'm gonna forget the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: name Aiden Chiles, Aiden Chiles who transferred from Oregon State
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: with Jonathan Smith. If they don't think Aiden Chiles is
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the answer there, you could see them bringing in someone
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: like quin Yours. I just I think Ohio State thinks
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: they've got their guy, and Julian saying and if you
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: bring in a transfer, a one year transfer, you're gonna
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: probably chase those guys into portal. So I don't think
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that's how that's probably gonna shake out.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: There's something about how you build a roster, and sometimes
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: you have to fill things in with with with transfers.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: But when you can only play one quarterback, it's not
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: like a case of if you have two quarterbacks, you
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: have no quarterbacks.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: You can't dance around with that.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, I think we'll have to kind of wait
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: on what Lincoln Keynolds is thinking, I mean, Ohio State
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: could go have to get two quarterbacks out of the portal.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: But if you believe Julian Saying is your guy, you
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: can't sit there and say we're gonna wait another year
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: as TV and Saint Clair comes up and yeah, I
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: mean you know, he's just not going to stick around.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and ta VI and Saint Clair was there at
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl today. A bunch of the Ohio Date
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: early and rollly freshmen were there.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Devin Sanchez, Carter Lowe, Bon mcmiller, Javon McFadden.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, I think there were a couple more, Jay.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Cook, Yeah there were. There were a bunch there. Faim
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Delane was there. Yeah, they were.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: You have photos to edit at a point like at
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: four in the morning, and you'll have all of that.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: That's what you should do on this night.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: And this is not going to turn into a twenty
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: four hour work day, he said, trying to convince himself
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: of that. Uh, except from party gens can Os, you
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: handle the National Freshman at the Year, boy, that's isn't
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: that going to be a fun matchup there? Because the
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: sewn Alexander Freshman of the Year award went to Simmons.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Colin Simmons, a Texas linebacker, and everyone. Jerrem Smith got
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: asked about that last week and it was kind of like, well,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: you know, he's good, you know, but yeah, you could
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: you could see that be some being something that, you know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: much like the Kurt Signetty Google me thing, where's like
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: no one, no one said anything about it beforehand, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: then the game's over and I'll have say it has
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: like google me on the scoreboard. You could see that
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: being something that comes up later if if if the
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: game goes a certainly I.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Mean through no fault of Colin Simmons his own. I mean, yeah,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: it was just one of those things. But yeah, yeap.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: So here's one. And I don't Gary Williams wants to
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: know has will Howard played his route way in the
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: first round of the draft. You are much more NFL
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: aligned than I am.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: You know, this is going to be a pretty weak
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: quarterback draft. I mean, obviously he's doing some things. Well
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, he's not going.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: To be there.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of top fives, and I questioned
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: some of the names I've seen in the top fives.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: There you know, I think he's playing his way up
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit. So much of it's going to be
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: the deed upon what he's able to do in Indianapolis, at
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: the Combine, at Ohio State during Pro Day. But there
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: are some physical limitations as to what he is able
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: to do. I mean, his deep ball is still a
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: little inconsistent. Sometimes the velocity. He either goes rocket sauce
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: on you and then throws it like right by you.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: He or he feathers it too much. And you know,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, I think he's somebody that is
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: going to get picked up. But I don't think it's
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: a case of him being certainly not a Day one
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: draft pick. I mean, I think his best case scenario
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: is toward the top half of Day two.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Here's here's one from Chris and Brenda R. As a
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: case State fan, I will only cheer for all of
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: you because Will Howard needs to be Texas and get
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: some redemption for twenty twenty three in previous years. I
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: will say. The pay State note that I have from
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the end of the game was I have a picture
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: which Lord knows what, and I will get to edit that,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: but I have a picture of Will Howard and Kobe Savage,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: who both played together at Kansas State, they have like
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: had interacted a couple of times, and during the first
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: game in Eugene, Savage tackled Howard at the goal line
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: and like Howard got up and just kind of like
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: tapped him on the chest. And I think you heard
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: this kind of like whoa like because it looked like
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: he was like hitting him or something, and it was
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: like very clearly was a friendly thing. But it was
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: kind of like you can tell they get along. After
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the game tonight, Howard and Savage like had it, you know,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: came over, had a big, you know, a big hug,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: talked for a few minutes. It was it was like
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: a nice you know, like very clearly like these are
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: guys who like respect each other and you know each
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: one each one got one this year. So but yeah,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I think I think Will Howard is someone who a
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: lot of people are rooting for. He's he was hey
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: yes at times this year. Been one of those guys
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: who you look at it's like, man, this is someone
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: who just the Ohio State fan base is just like
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: built to love like this exact kind of a kind
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: of guy and.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Kind of player. Well, I mean he he always wins
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: the interview.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he does a great job there,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: and you know he's he's gutty when he goes out
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: there and plays. I mean, as Tom mentioned earlier in
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: the show, has a lot of eighty percent passing games.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's crazy to think about where
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: quarterbacking has gone in the last ten plus years for
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Ohio State. Yeah, a certain a certain quarterback on a
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: four letter network could have only dreamt.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Of eighty percent.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I mean he, I mean maybe dreamt of only eighty completions.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: So Will Howard certainly has captured the you know, the
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: the love of buck Eye Nation. Don't you dare go
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: and lose one now? Because we know that love is fickle. Yeah,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: but you know, for now all is well.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Love is fickle. Lucas fickle as well. Wing Man Ted says,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: treys sixty six yard run was more similar to a
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: certain rush through the heart of the South. To me,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: that was ten years ago today, by the way, January first,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, that was the Ezekiel Elliott eighty five yards
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: to the heart of the South. That was the last
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: time Ohio State beat the number one team in the
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: exactly earlier this year, they had a punt return touchdown
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: for the first time in ten years, and one day
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: now they have beaten the number one team in the
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: nation for the first time in exactly ten years. So
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that's a nice, nice, fun, little fun little factory there
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: for you. Jose Cruz Taurus has thoughts on the possibility
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of a B one G final, so that would be
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Penn State has already advanced to the Semis. They're going
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: to play the winner of Georgia and Notre Dame Ohio State.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: If they get through Texas, I mean you could, absolutely
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: you could actually have an Ohio State Penn State final.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I think having seen a rematch now, we saw the
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: rematch in twenty nineteen, Rowhouse State clawberd Wisconsin in the
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: regular season and then beat him not as badly in
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: the Big ten chain bitchup game. I think having seen
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: this now where you got a very different result. It
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't just like here's this game and then here's the
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: exact same game but in a different stadium. I'm Penn
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: State has looked real good. I think Penn State probably
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: comes into that game as like a thirteen point underdog yeah, it's.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Abdol Carter's dinged up.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: James Franklin didn't give a great answer about what his
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: status may be moving forward, and.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Sutton looked like he might have gotten dinged a little bit.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: He might have been grabbing the hamstring.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: At some point.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: And you know, we talked about about coaching kryptonite. Ohio
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: State is kryptonite to James Franklin, plain and simple. And
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: now obviously people, you know, every game is a game
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: into itself, and you can't you can't read too much
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: into that.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: But Ohio State has owned James Franklin.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and in James Penn State has been a very
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: good program that has never gotten over the hump to
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: great And James Ferringline had a sound like member or
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: when he was talking about being elite and they're not elite,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: They're still not at that point, and that maybe they
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: could get to that point. I mean, you're right at
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: this point, you're two wins away from being elite, so.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at the right time. But yeah, you're running into
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: a team that's hotter, so yeah, yeah.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, you know, I think Ohio State
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: would probably be fine with that. I don't think Penn
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: State's the worst potential matchup of the day.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: You know who else will be fine with that? Tony Petiti?
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oh absolutely yeah yeah. And and boy, if
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: if I mean George Texas was fortunate to escape, if
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Texas took double overtime, I mean, you're not that far
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: away from Texas being out and Georgia maybe facing a
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: difficult challenge. A it's Notre Name and the SEC being out.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Even before the semis like that, that was a realistic possibility.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: You messed it up.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Mica says, who do you think Penn State plays next?
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: So that's the the question is is the uh the
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: uh Cotton Bowl, No, not bowls, Sugar Bowl Sugar.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Bowls between been delayed because of a you know, very
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: tragic situation in New Orleans.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: So that that's Notre Dame and Georgia my guess would be.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: And believe me, no one is more shocked at the
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: fact that I'm saying these words out loud. My pick
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: to win this major bowl game is Notre Dame because well,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I guess they're due. That's one thing that's been that's
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: been thirty years, thirty years. They won the nineteen ninety
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: four Cotton Bowl, that's the last time I won a
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: major ball game. But you that's that's I think Georgia
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: without Carson Beck. Not that Carson back was great, but
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: that just Georgia went out Carson Beck and not I
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: mean it's somewhat limited skills out when they really missed
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Brock Bowers.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: They really missed Brock Bower. Oscar Dope is fantastic. I
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: think he's a great tight end, but he he's not
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Brock Bowers.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, it's it's Brock Powers was you know,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Brock Bowers is like the first you know, first round
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: draft pick, immediate NFL impact guy. Oscar Delp's a good
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: tight end. It's a different it's kind of a different thing.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be interested to see how Georgia goes
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: about things with their offense, because I think there was
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: a theory that they might throw someone else in a quarterback,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: that they throw Jaden Bershata, they might throw Jaden and
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Bshoda in a quarterback that the younger guy who's probably
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: a better passer than the Gunnerstock Gunnerstocked and so.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Well, they they I'm not convinced they're going to be
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: able to throw. Yeah, they haven't been able to run
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: all year. How exactly are they going to win this?
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: And they've got a tremendous defensive front, but Notre Dame
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: has been able to run the ball really against all comers.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I just think, I think that Notre Dame wins the
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: game by a couple scores. And I know that sacrilege
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: to say about the mighty mighty sec Curt purp Street's
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: going to kick my ass everything else, but this, I know,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: picking Notre Dame in a big game is kind of sacrilege.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: But well, here we are at you know, the five
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: hour mark.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: At the five power mark and the numbers.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: I'm I was gonna say, I watch. I guess nobody
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: has to go to work tomorrow.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: So Doug Sheppard says, kas Merrick has really helped the
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: running game. Will kasmeric a tight end he has been.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: He has really been a great addition. And he's another
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: one of those guys who's kind of on that Donovan
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Jackson list where a little bit underrated. You shoult of
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: forget about him because you know, g Scott has the
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: passing receptions in the receiving yards. Kas America. They brought
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: him in because he was a good blocker. That was
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: the stated reason that they brought him in. He caught
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: twenty passes last year at Ohio University, and you think
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: he might have been twenty a year before that, so
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: we can catch it. But he just kind of does
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: the thankless grunt work, dirty work stuff at tight end
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: that is, you know, that's that's what Ohio wants out
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: of a tight end because one of the stated reasons
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Ryan Day for why they always want to play a
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: tight end and why they don't just go four wide
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: with a with a running back, you know, you know,
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: to go ten personnel. They almost always have a tight
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: end the field just because they feel like that really
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: helps them in blocking in the run game. And yeah,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: to have to have them go for whatever it was,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I mean five yards to carry for Gwen John Judkins
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: and eleven yards to carry for for tre Van Henderson
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: seems like it's working.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's working.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: And you know there, you can't say enough nice things
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: about cast America. I mean, he's not necessarily going to
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: jump off the stat page for you, but when when
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: you when you're thinking of cast America, see what's going
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: on with the with the run offense, See what's going
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: on with the QB protection and that's that's really where
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: his stats live.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: So yeah, here Terry, Arizona State had a couple of
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: chances to win the games the Texas can be had.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I have still not seen the targeting call that everyone
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: was up in arms, But did you know.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I don't have a beer in my hand, so I
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: mean it was it was questionable and it was a
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Big ten officiating crew, so we know they don't know
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: how to call it targeting.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: This question, what was a Big ten officiating called a
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Big ten officiating crew, Well, you don't have a beer
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: in your hand, but if we were playing the Big
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: ten officiating for a drinking game, that was a questionable
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: call on a targeting is definitely everyone has to drink.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Rick says, I've already rewatched the game and quite frankly
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: shocking the organ got to twenty one points. Yeah, it
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: was you know, ten ten plays, ten plays, eleven plays
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: on those drives, Like they had to grind it all
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: out and that took a lot for them to do it.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: That's that was not an easy.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Way to do. I agree.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: I think that when we get a chance to watch it,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: we'll agree with Rick on that statement.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it certainly felt like that. During the game.
• 58:00
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• 58:01
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• 58:04
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• 58:06
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• 58:08
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