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Dead Actors in New Movies?? · The Recess Bell

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  Speaker 1: This production is brought to you by the Recess Bell.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, my name is Justin Greenberg, and we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk about dead actors being in movies. Yay. This is
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  Speaker 1: a major problem. Ground Control to Major Tom They're gonna
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  Speaker 1: bring back David Bowie. They're gonna make a Labyrinth too.
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  Speaker 1: I bet and bring back dead David Bowie without his blessing.
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  Speaker 1: This is a major, major issue. And I bring this
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  Speaker 1: up because of a movie that I saw called Alien Romulus. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to know nothing about Alien Romulus, this
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  Speaker 1: is not the episode of film reel that you want
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  Speaker 1: to be listening to. But if you want to have
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  Speaker 1: minor spoilers while listening to me Rant, then you could
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  Speaker 1: proceed to listen to this additional film reel. So I
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  Speaker 1: was enjoying Alien Romulus, I had my issues with it.
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  Speaker 1: We're not really gonna be focusing on the movie. I
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  Speaker 1: want to focus on one aspect of the film, and
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  Speaker 1: that is the character of Rook. Who is Rook? He
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  Speaker 1: is an android portrayed by actor Ian Holme. Ian Holme
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  Speaker 1: has been dead for a number of years now, but
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  Speaker 1: with the permission of Ian Holme's widow, they used his
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  Speaker 1: likeness to portray the character of Rook. This is something
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna become an even bigger problem as artificial intelligence advances.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're gonna never know if Ian Holme would have
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  Speaker 1: wanted to be in this movie. Maybe he had a
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  Speaker 1: conversation with his widow. Yeah, if they make an alien
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  Speaker 1: movie years after my death, yeah, you could use my likeness.
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  Speaker 1: We'll never know. Now actors are putting things in their
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  Speaker 1: contracts saying you cannot use my likeness years after my death.
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  Speaker 1: This is something that easily could have been written differently.
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  Speaker 1: They did not need to have Ian Holme in this movie,
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  Speaker 1: or his likeness rather in this movie because the character
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  Speaker 1: of Rook is a brand new character to the Alien franchise.
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  Speaker 1: Ian Holme played Ash, who was a synthetic or an
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  Speaker 1: android in the nineteen seventy nine movie Aliened. So they
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  Speaker 1: could have done a few things. One, they could have
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  Speaker 1: just made it a different synthetic, a different android. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen Bishop, another android character in the Alien franchise,
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  Speaker 1: so it didn't specifically need to be that model of android.
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  Speaker 1: It added nothing else to the plot except stupid people
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  Speaker 1: remember the likeness of that actor, and they clap like seals.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh, I remember that guy. Yeah, yeah, that's the
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  Speaker 1: guy from the first movie. He looks really weird. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, it looks It looked really weird. It looked
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  Speaker 1: really off putting. It was not perfected, so it came
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  Speaker 1: across like I was watching artificial Intelligence. Now, granted, the
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  Speaker 1: character is an android, so maybe it worked a little
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  Speaker 1: bit less creepy in that sort of role. But they
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  Speaker 1: have not perfected bringing people back from the dead yet.
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  Speaker 1: So Number one, like I said, they could have just
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  Speaker 1: made it a different Android character that did not need
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  Speaker 1: to be that original Android model. Number two, they could
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  Speaker 1: have just recast the role. They could have just hired
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  Speaker 1: an actor of that looked like the actor. They've done
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  Speaker 1: that a million times in various different movies, whether they're
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  Speaker 1: doing a younger version of a character, or you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe an actor dies so they have to recast. They
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  Speaker 1: do that all the time. Ian Holme was great and Alien,
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  Speaker 1: but let's be honest, majority of the people that are
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  Speaker 1: watching Alien Romulus are probably not familiar with the Alien
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  Speaker 1: film from nineteen seventy nine. They're just not so who
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  Speaker 1: are you doing this for? The people that are fans
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  Speaker 1: of Alien are upset that they're using a dead actor
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  Speaker 1: and the people that are actually watching in the movie,
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  Speaker 1: the younger audience has no recollection of this character. And
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  Speaker 1: he's not this super iconic character. You know, we're not
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  Speaker 1: talking Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Terminator. We're not talking John Rambo.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Sylvester Stallone's character. This is one of the
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  Speaker 1: many ensemble cast members in a movie from almost fifty
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  Speaker 1: years ago. So you could have recast, you could have
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  Speaker 1: written it as a different character, but no, they chose
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  Speaker 1: to bring an actor back from the dead. I'm reminded
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  Speaker 1: of Crispin Glover being used in Back to the Future
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  Speaker 1: too for people I don't know. Crispin Glover was one
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  Speaker 1: of the main characters in the original Back to the Future,
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  Speaker 1: and they aged him up in that movie, meaning they
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  Speaker 1: put makeup on him, they took a mold of his face,
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  Speaker 1: and they made him look like an older man in
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  Speaker 1: certain scenes in that movie. And there was some issues
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  Speaker 1: with Crispin Glover not wanting to return to the sequel.
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  Speaker 1: We've heard various different reasons as to why I didn't return,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's money or differentiating opinions on what the script
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  Speaker 1: should be. But he didn't return for Back to the
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  Speaker 1: Future too, but they used his character George McFly. Now
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  Speaker 1: that's fine. He didn't create the character. They could recast it.
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  Speaker 1: You know what they did, They took that mold that
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  Speaker 1: they used to create the makeup effect for Back to
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  Speaker 1: the Future of the original movie and they put that
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  Speaker 1: mold on a different actor and that led to a
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  Speaker 1: very famous lawsuit and Crispin Glover ended up winning that lawsuit.
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  Speaker 1: And now if you use someone's likeness in a movie
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  Speaker 1: without their permission, even if it's through a makeup mold technique,
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  Speaker 1: then you're gonna get sued. And I'm seeing very similar
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  Speaker 1: things of bringing people back from the dead. Now again,
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  Speaker 1: the widow signed off on this. But I want to
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  Speaker 1: take you to another movie that came out last year,
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  Speaker 1: The Flash. Oh everyone loved The Flash. What a great movie.
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  Speaker 1: It definitely didn't lose hundreds of millions of dollars for DC.
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  Speaker 1: So in that movie, there is the multiverse, and in
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  Speaker 1: this multiverse they go to different various incarnations of DC
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  Speaker 1: Film properties. And one of those DC Film properties they
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  Speaker 1: go to is the nineteen fifties television series Superman, where
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  Speaker 1: Superman was portrayed by an actor named George Reeves, and
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  Speaker 1: again they got the permission from the estate to use
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  Speaker 1: his likeness. If you're not familiar with the story of
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  Speaker 1: George Reeves, George Reeves killed himself and partly two to
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  Speaker 1: his work as Superman. He was extraordinarily depressed because of
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  Speaker 1: his failed career and he was unable to find work.
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  Speaker 1: He was sort of typecast in that role, and he
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  Speaker 1: would talk to various different cast members of the Superman
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  Speaker 1: Show and tell them that putting on this costume is
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  Speaker 1: like putting on a monkey suit. He felt degraded, like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm Superman. I'm a better actor than this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just this, you know, kids show, television star.
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  Speaker 1: I could be in movies, I go win to Oscars.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just Superman. Though, So he killed himself
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  Speaker 1: and they brought him back to place Superman, and to me,
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  Speaker 1: that was out of all the awful things that that
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  Speaker 1: Flash movie was that, right, there was the most embarrassing
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  Speaker 1: aspect of that movie. Bringing back an actor that essentially
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  Speaker 1: took his own life because of a role, and you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna make him that role terrible, terrible? Where is this
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  Speaker 1: going to lead to? This can lead to some really
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  Speaker 1: really bad things later on down the line. We've seen
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  Speaker 1: it already. We've seen people you know, file lawsuits and
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  Speaker 1: put out complaints about using likeness with you know digital
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  Speaker 1: you know art, like created artificial intelligent art. Taylor Swift
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  Speaker 1: was going off last year because they were using her
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  Speaker 1: likeness with AI art and they were you know, sexualizing
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  Speaker 1: the art. So this is something that is going to
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  Speaker 1: be very very important in our lifetimes. In the next
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  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years. We're going to see court cases,
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  Speaker 1: We're going to see potential crimes be created. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you could fake someone's voice these days, and it's to me,
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  Speaker 1: it's all similar. This all correlates to Ian Holme being
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  Speaker 1: used in alien you know. I saw a story earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the year where principle was being accused of saying
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  Speaker 1: racist things and the guy who made the accusations used
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  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence to create a voice for this guy. And
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  Speaker 1: they later deduced that no, this is not real. This
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  Speaker 1: is created using AI. And that's from a random guy
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  Speaker 1: that has no background in technology creating a voice, and
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  Speaker 1: he was able to trick a lot of people now
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  Speaker 1: think about like really really wealthy individuals with vast knowledge
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  Speaker 1: of artificial intelligence. Think about governments that are able to
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  Speaker 1: create certain things. I don't want to be a conspiracy guy,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, we will be able to fake certain things.
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  Speaker 1: That is going to be it's going to be detrimental
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  Speaker 1: to our society. And I think starting right now with
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  Speaker 1: having actors in movies, we're starting down that slippery slope. Now,
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  Speaker 1: is this a crime? Of course not. We got the
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  Speaker 1: permission from the estate, so you know, with thean home,
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  Speaker 1: not a crime. But I'm telling you, years from now,
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  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna make movies about this aspect of filmmaking,
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  Speaker 1: of taking dead people and bringing them back. So that's
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  Speaker 1: just a little rant. I want to go on about
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  Speaker 1: bringing actors back from the dad. You know they're doing
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  Speaker 1: it with musicians now, and listen, is it cool in
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  Speaker 1: one aspect that, yeah, you'll be able to see certain actors.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I love the movie The Crow with Brandon Lee.
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  Speaker 1: Would it be cool to see more versions of that character?
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  Speaker 1: I guess so. But also we'll never know what they
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  Speaker 1: would have wanted. So one way, selfishly, I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if they could perfect this, because it's not
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  Speaker 1: perfected yet, but if they could perfect this years from now,
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  Speaker 1: and you could get the same performances of actors of
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  Speaker 1: like Jimmy Stewart or Orson Wells, and you can bring
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  Speaker 1: them back in a modern setting. It is fascinating. I
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  Speaker 1: do see the interest in that, but again without their
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  Speaker 1: actual permission, it's a slippery slope. So we'll see what
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  Speaker 1: the years bring on. You know, as far as this
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  Speaker 1: technology of people actually being upset, you know, I know
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  Speaker 1: people are upset, but it's not going to stop companies
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  Speaker 1: from continuing this trend. All right. That is my little
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  Speaker 1: rant about dead actors. One other quick rant about Alien Romulus.
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  Speaker 1: They say a line in that movie that pissed the
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  Speaker 1: hell out of me. The iconic line from nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 1: six is Aliens, where Sigourney Weaver says to the alien queen,
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  Speaker 1: get away from her, you bitch. What an iconic line,
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  Speaker 1: and that had such a deeper meaning when that line
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  Speaker 1: was delivered. Sigourney Weaver was sort of a motherlike character
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  Speaker 1: to Newt, and Newt was being sort of held captive
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  Speaker 1: by the alien queen. So it's one woman, one mother
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  Speaker 1: fighting with another mother, and her saying get away from her,
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  Speaker 1: you bitch, meant so much more than what it meant
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  Speaker 1: in Alien Romulus. That's right. They said the same exact
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  Speaker 1: line in Alien Romulus. Why because of those same dumb
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  Speaker 1: people that would clap when they see Ian Home. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, yeah, I remember the line. I remember. It
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  Speaker 1: makes no sense. Those characters never met. Is this just
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  Speaker 1: a common phrase that is being said in the Alien universe?
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  Speaker 1: Get away from her, you bitch. No, it meant something
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  Speaker 1: in Aliens from nineteen eighty six because again the mother
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  Speaker 1: daughter connection with the other female character. It's said by
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  Speaker 1: a random male android in this scene for no reason
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  Speaker 1: other than dumb people in the theaters clap because they
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  Speaker 1: remember that line being said. Lines being shared by characters
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  Speaker 1: that have no connection because they're in the same film
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  Speaker 1: franchise is again one of my biggest pet peeves. I
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of complaints when it comes to movies,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why we're here to do the film world
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  Speaker 1: for you to listen to my rants. All right, have
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  Speaker 1: a great day everybody, or night. I don't know when
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  Speaker 1: you're listening to this. Yebye.