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Ben Alexander & Rich Peil: Anytime Fitness Australia founder · The R4R Podcast: Road to Zero

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At Lonsdale St Studio, we believe in the power of
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storytelling to connect people and create change.
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That's why we're proud to be the production partner for this
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Running for Resilience podcast. Hi, Benny here filling in for
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Brady this week on the Running for Zooids podcast.
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And I'm here with the great Rich Appeal.
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Rich, welcome. Thanks mate.
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For those who don't know, Rich is obviously father, husband,
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Incredible Jess, who's a massive Afro legend, chairman of former
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chairman of the Central Coast Mariners and Co founder of
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Anytime Fitness. And I just want to kick off
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with, I don't know if you remember the first time we met,
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it was probably a year and a half ago.
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I'm at the dock and I came in after half an hour.
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I was sort of rushing around just trying to, I was trying to
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get someone something. And you're sitting you're having
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dinner with Jess and you go, excuse me, mate, can you put the
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Mariners on and I go I go Seattle Mariners, the baseball
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and you go Nah, the the soccer Central Coast and I go might
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what a league. Who watches the a league?
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I was just saying jokingly. And you go I do I'm the chairman
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and I oh shit, sorry, mate, rushed around got the remote.
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But mate, so I guess why you're well, how we've gotten an HL a
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bit a lot better since then, and it's probably only maybe two or
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three months after that. You pull Brainy and I aside and
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with with an idea of formalising R for R and maybe take it to the
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next level. Like let's talk us through that.
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What? Like one, why did you pull
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Brandy aside that night? And two, what do you see in R
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for R that can make a difference?
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Well, it's it is a great question and it was a bit of a
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impromptu grab, you guys. I hadn't planned to do it.
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I've been coming to R for R for a few weeks and Jess obviously
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runs everywhere, runs every day. She'd taken me to a few park
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runs and I enjoyed that and I turned up to R for R and I could
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just see what you guys were trying to achieve.
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And like, I like park run, but I go to a park run and I don't
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talk to anyone. I I'm fairly introverted at at
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heart, you know, you know, I'd love to go along and just talk
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to me and Jess. But as you know, and people know
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Jess, she talks to everyone there.
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She knows everyone talks to everyone but at Parker and I
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just go along and and do my run, enjoy it.
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What I saw at Farrar, though, was I guess the purpose behind
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the brand, behind the name. There was really clear to me
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that people were turning up and I, I found myself doing this and
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I still do it now. You know, I turn up because of
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the purpose and the speech you give it at the start.
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And you know, I do my run and I do cheat a little bit.
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I you know, I don't go all the way and it's not time now they
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had. To fall, start you a couple of
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times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Heads out early. It makes me feel good when I'm
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at the pointy and coming back, but I could tell at the end and
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and I do it myself that, you know, cost of the purpose of the
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brand, You're actually looking around for people.
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People come there because they might be struggling.
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So, you know, I, I look for people after the run and try and
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pick people out that I think look a bit out of place.
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And I don't do that at park run because that's not the purpose
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of the brand. But that's what I saw in our
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Farrar and I know absolutely no. The one thing that frustrates me
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a little bit about our Ferraris, I know our Ferraris saved lives
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and I know you and Bernie spoke last week that you know you, you
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don't. The suicide statistics in the
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ICT are actually trending very much in the right direction.
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And you said, you know you, you're not sure if you've had a
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lot to do with that. I'm convinced that you guys have
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had a lot to do with that. And the wider we can spread that
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by doing more, more sites. And that's really what the
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funding that Jess and I put in for was to allow you guys to
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actually have the opportunity to work on the brand full time and,
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and spread it out throughout, throughout Canberra.
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Because I know absolutely know that it saves lives.
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And what I was saying, what frustrates me is you can't
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measure it. It's really hard to measure
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that. But when you see.
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Our actual impact. Yeah, you can't, because you
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don't know. You don't know who's turned up
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that week and who was on the edge, happened to, you know,
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just have 5-10 words with someone that changed their
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mindset because it doesn't take a lot to get someone back on the
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right side of that, you know, that ledge I feel, Yeah.
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And yeah, I agree around the purpose of something It gives.
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I said last week like I've got, you know, tremendous purpose in
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my family. I love my family and then fill
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my life full of purpose. And and that really helped me in
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my darkest moments. I think probably my at my worst
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year, it was just I wanted to get better for my family because
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I know I knew a part of me, even though I was tired and just
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going, maybe people are better off without me.
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I knew deep down now it's not true.
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It's not true. My kids will be better off for
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me having seen obviously my not obviously, but like a lot of
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family affected by suicide some generations above me.
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My grandmother lost a brother, my mother in law lost a father,
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and seeing the impact that's out of my mother in law and that's
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passed down that intergenerational trauma that
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comes through suicide. But mate, you, you mate you.
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And I've spoken about it, but I think it's important for the
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people to hear that story. And I think what really drives
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you can you can hear it in your voice.
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How much is like you believe in the purpose and the mission and
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what we're trying to do. Do you want to?
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Yeah, for the listeners, tell that story about you look your
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best mate. Yeah, yeah.
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Really more about that. Anyone who see me running shorts
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knows I've got a tattoo, a big tattoo on my right lower leg
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which is a tribute to my best mate who committed suicide about
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26 years ago now. And this is a guy that we, we a
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very tight group of friends growing up.
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And in fact, we're all still great mates.
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And Pete was the life of the party.
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He was the guy that sort of the glue that held us all together.
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And, you know, I moved out, we moved out of home together.
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The first person I moved out of home with, we got a flat, we
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made. Well, I think we had five or six
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fishing boats together. We spent a lot of time together.
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And I never knew he was struggling because he was always
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the life of the party. And yeah, for me, out of the
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blue, he he took his own life and, and what came out of, you
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know, that is very sad story. You know, he had a six year old
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son at the time. You know, he, you know, Pete had
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set everything up and planned to take his life.
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He had gone and tried to get help at three different
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hospitals the weekend before he took his life.
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And they all offered him Valium and sent him away.
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And bear in mind back then. Hey, when we how many years ago,
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sorry, did you say 26? Years ago, 26 years ago, like
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you didn't talk about that sort of stuff, Benny.
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Like I can talk very openly, you know, but when I, when I have,
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we all have down days, I can talk about it very openly.
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I can talk about it very openly with my kids, with my sons, with
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my daughter. You didn't talk about it back
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then and he didn't talk about it.
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And I absolutely know one of the reasons why I am passionate
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about helping our for our expand is I know because of his, you
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know, he was an exerciser. If he'd have had R for R back
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then, I'm I'm convinced he'd still be here today because he
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tried to get help. He actually went out and tried
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to get help. Did he get the right help?
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Didn't get the right help, You know, they offered him
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medicines. He wanted to be checked in.
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He wanted to. And even when he committed
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suicide, he actually drove out to a point and down South of
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Wollongong and slashed his wrists and then realised he'd
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made a mistake and tried to drive himself to hospital and
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actually had a car accident and crushed his Larry necks and
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broke his neck when he on his way trying to drive him to
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hospital. He was desperate for help and it
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just wasn't there. And you know, moving forward
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that that shouldn't someone like that type of death, if someone's
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desperately looking for help, it shouldn't, it shouldn't happen
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moving forward. And our Ferrari is a very, very
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big part, in my opinion, of, of providing an outlet for people
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that are struggling like that. A lot to say and I feel a bit
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uncomfortable listen like that's such a rough, sad story.
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So if any of the listeners please hope, hope you're all
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right like that's but I think I totally agree.
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It's so important that we talk about this stuff.
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It is so important that we can't just keep sweeping it under the
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carpet. Why do you apart from it is just
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a hard thing to it's like a really sad thing to hear.
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And I think about my mate Vicks, Dan Vickman I play with and I,
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I, I often think about how, how sad I, I'm so just for how he
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was feeling in the, in the months late, maybe even the
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years leading up to when he took his life.
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How like just what he was thinking and how much pain he
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would have been in. Because when I got depressed, it
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was only probably about 2-3 months.
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But if that always in it was, it's painful.
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If anyone's been depressed, it's painful.
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Like your nervous system, your brain is, is hurting, you're in
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pain. And if for that to have
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continued for years, that's what like, oh, it's, it still scares
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me like, and hopefully I feel I've got the tools now to
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prevent myself getting back to that state.
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And if I ever do, I feel I've got the support.
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I've got friends, family who who've proven it that they help
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me when I'm doing tough. But why?
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Why do you think it's so hard to talk about or not spoken about
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then and that, and why do you think this tide is shifting?
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I think it's just general society back then.
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Like, and just to make that story clear, like probably 14
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years before he took his life, he actually checked himself.
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You know, we're in our late teens.
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He checked himself into a hospital in Sydney and we found
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out later it was something to do with mental, mental health.
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He's there for a couple of weeks and it has, I mean, I'm, I'm
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definitely not, I'm embarrassed to say this, but when he came
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back, I mean, we were, we didn't ridicule him, but we're like,
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you know, what's wrong with you? Toughen up.
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Mate, Yeah. It was just a different time,
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different conversations. You were, you know, guys in
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particular weren't supposed to, you know, you were supposed to
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just battle on with that sort of stuff, you know, Whereas now I
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think the knowledge behind, you know, mental health, you know,
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if you're struggling from depression, that's not just you
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feeling sorry for yourself. There are.
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Neurochemical reasons you're in, you feel.
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That way yeah exactly. It's like having high blood
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pressure or candidly it's like having, you know, hip
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replacement Yeah, which I've just had it is a medical
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condition that needs treating and I think people we recognise
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the signs a lot more now and people seek seek help for it.
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I, I don't, I, I think in another 1520 years Benny, we'll,
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we'll be at a whole new level where I don't think drugs will
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be as bigger. As relied on or.
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Relied on down the track as they are today, I I feel like there
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is too many. I think the unbalancing of brain
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chemicals to me is created by candidly by industrialization.
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The. State we're in now from
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industrialization? Yep.
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Well, the body's meant to move more than we move it today.
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And in fact, you know, in the last year and a half is the
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first time in human history where obesity has caused more
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death than famine. So think about that.
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There's more people dying today because of obesity related
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disease than starvation. It's the first time in history
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because we're simply eating too much sugar and we're just not
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moving our body enough. It's as simple as that, which
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is, you know, as well as our, for our people ask me why I'm
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still, you know, after 38 years at the coalface of the fitness
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industry, because I've got a lot more work to do.
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We've got a lot more work to do to get people moving.
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And the World Health Organisation, World Medical
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Organisation, their number one concern for the human race today
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is lack of movement. You know, it's, it's, it's not
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heart disease, it's not pandemics, it's lack of movement
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is their number one concern. And I believe that when we get,
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we entrench this into the school systems a lot better than we do
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today. Earlier, I hope and believe that
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in 1520 years time, people will understand that they have to
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move their body the same way as they brush their teeth, the same
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way as they go to the toilet. You have to move your body.
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Yeah, couldn't agree more. And I think one thing after all
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what we're doing, well hopefully in our messaging, it's that
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doing moving with friends. So it's not just lack of
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exercise, lack of connection is with people.
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They're like the two things I think like obviously food, 100%
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agree on the food, but the connection and that's the thing
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I missed when I retired and I thought a bit more like, so park
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run massively helped me when I first retired.
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Was feeling awful during the week, tight chest, brain fog, no
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energy. But then going to park run on
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the weekend with mates and I did a run to do the exercise.
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We didn't do it together. We'd all Sprint and try and beat
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each other. But then going for the coffee
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after I felt so yeah, just felt like old me again.
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What? So I want to ask you a different
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question and it's about your mate because we had on Wednesday
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night we had our first volunteer training session.
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So for volleys to help them learn to spot red flags, yellow
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flags in people and with the Medicare Mental Health Services
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Centre, which we'll partner with and we'll talk more about them
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in future episodes. But actually just raised an
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interesting question that the guy actually couldn't answer.
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So we're talking about red flags and yellow flags, learning to
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spot them in people that come to Afra and in themselves making
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sure because you can't help other people unless you're in a
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good state to help others. And you and your better half
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said, how do you spot the people that the life of the party that
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are putting on that mask, that everything's OK, that they're
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fine, But obviously your mate wasn't OK for a long time
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leading up to it. And I guess what I'm trying to
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say is what looking back, did you spot?
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Did you notice anything now looking back?
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Or you were still like, what, what is it?
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What what was a flag now looking back that you'd spot in your
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mate? Because I hope people listening
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might be able to spot it and just put not, you know, fix
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their friends, but just be looking out for them.
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What? Yeah.
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What for the people that are really good at masking?
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It's a really good question, Benny.
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And look, I'm one of my best mates today is his brother, 2
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years younger than him and we and another of my best mates,
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and we've all just been away to Hawaii together and we talk
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about Pete every time we're together.
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And one of the things that I it, it's not an obvious sign, Benny,
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But when I look back when we were out fishing and when we
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were living together, there were times when and OK, it's hard to
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explain, but I just could tell that he wasn't there was like a
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like a the shape of his forehead.
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I know that sounds ridiculous, but swelling or something, but
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he just, I could tell by the, the, the shape of his eyes that
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when I look back and I can see him now like that, he wasn't, he
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just wasn't in a good place. And I, and I actually think when
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I look back that I knew he wasn't, but it was like it
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wasn't my it. Was your place to say it was my?
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Place to ask, but it was I should have been but like I say
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different time different situation and and and I I think
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now because I've got to you know, I think everybody has days
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that are bad Benny you know. Weeks.
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Weeks that are bad. Yeah, of course, Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah. And I've had a couple of, you
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know, bad, bad, everybody does. But I, I think the difference or
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the advice that I would give to to people and I've done it with
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you a couple of times when I've just actually rung you, you.
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Checked it? Yeah, you checked.
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It Hey mate, I'm just just saw the other day you're you're
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good. Do you know do you want to go
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it? Was last year.
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I'm trying to remember what happened.
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I was, I was last weekend. I was just rundown.
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I don't remember what it was, but I do still really appreciate
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that. Message I and and what What I'm
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getting at is I think people should ask even if you have the
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slightest inclination. Inclination of what you'll
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offend them or. The no, no slightest inclination
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that they're. They're not.
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They're not great. Yeah, ask.
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Just ask. I'll just wish I'd have been
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more mature, smarter and just said to Pete, like, what's going
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on? Why talk to me?
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You know what? What's going on in here, like?
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And I never did that. Are you OK with that?
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Like I5 with VIX, I like last time I saw him at the dock, I
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think I said last week and he looked like he hadn't exercised
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and then and he like stared. He couldn't even talk and look
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at him. VIX hadn't seen him for a few
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years and then I know there's nothing I could have done like
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but it did something I that's not haunted me, but I I do think
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about a lot that last time I saw him and that could I have said,
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I said, Hey ya mate, and it was obvious he wasn't going well,
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but could I have asked him asked him something more useful that
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would just would have I don't know got him to open up, but.
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Yeah, I look, I, I'm at pace that I wasn't.
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I shouldn't expect myself to know what I know today back
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then. So I'm at pace with that.
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I mean, me and Pete were supposed to go skiing like 10
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days after he took his life. And I, and I just, yeah, I
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wonder. I don't know.
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I don't think when I look back, Benny, that there was anything
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that I could have done different.
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I it's just sad now. It's just sad because like we're
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all in Hawaii a couple of weeks ago and four best mates, he's
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the one that was missing And, and we talked about him quite a
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bit. In fact, I think we talked about
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him every day. You know, when we do something,
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we go up. Imagine if Pete was here, we
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call him Yemen be we imagine if Yemen was here, like he, he'd
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have loved doing that because we went fishing and that he was, he
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was a great fisherman. So yeah, just sad.
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Yeah, I'm glad you like, yeah, sharing that.
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And hopefully, yeah, like, well, people, I've been trying to be
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stressed, riding, sharing, going through rough patches.
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It's fucking normal. Even I hope that if we can
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normalise when you're going through a rough patch, we'll
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make it easy for people to speak up when when someone asks.
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So I think we're getting a lot better at society thanks to you.
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Are you OK Day. And hopefully you're doing
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training to helping people get better at spotting the signs
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when someone's struggling. And then hopefully as a society
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and through conversations like this that we can make people
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open up and then we got to get them to the right support.
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So like we said, Pete wasn't getting the right support we
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need and that's a big thing AFRA has to do is getting people to
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then go to the Medicare Mental Health Services Centre, which
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will then triage them and get them to the right support.
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And you did mention another great organisation.
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Are you OK? I mean, I love organisations
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where you can get what they're the purposes from the from their
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name, you know, run for resilience.
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Are you OK? I think it's, you know, it's a
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great organisation that just in its name, you know, we it's got
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people asking that question and, you know, it's just it's yeah.
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So the more. Shifting the conversational
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society like that, it is checking in matches a total
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normal thing, which then have to make a total normal to say no,
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I'm not OK. And it's why we why you know,
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Anytime Fitness is one of the major funds fundraisers for are
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you OK? And and as you know, we just not
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personally a right behind run for resilience because I've been
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blessed to be in the position that I mean in business and I'm
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determined to make a difference moving forward and help as many
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people as you can avoid that that stress.
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You said something earlier, Benny, that that, you know, I
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look back on, you know, the effect that the ripple effect
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that it has is just immense, you know, and anyone who's going
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through that brain chemical imbalance and thinking that the
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world would be better off without them, that's just wrong.
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It's never the case. It's never the case like the
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the, the effect, you know, I'm, you know, like I said, I think
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it's 26 years later on, we still talk about this guy, you know,
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every week, every week. That's the impact he had on our
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lives and. I actually don't think, and this
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is just reflecting on my own experience when I was at my
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worst, it was not that I thought people would be better without
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me. It was that I'd lost faith in my
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own, but lost belief in myself that I could fix it.
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That was what really made me feel super hopeless.
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I was like I've been trying to eat well, I've been exercising,
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I've been trying to sleep well and I still was in a bar without
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just an odd lost like belief in myself and maybe I don't know
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that's hopefully then I don't know what I'm trying to say but
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it's that yeah that loss of belief and if anyone's listening
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is going through rough patch anyone you can turn it around
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like that. I have yeah.
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We've, we've heard plenty of times at bar for our people in a
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bad way and losing hope. But there is someone around you
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that can help. Just ask.
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And you don't know how quickly things can turn around because
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it was me, yeah, telling my wife that she was the first one I
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told. Then she said go and chat to
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your dad and dad said go and chat to a mate and then mate
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said chat to Brumbies. And then Brumbies put me in
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touch with the right psychologist and that was the
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and I feel as good as I've ever felt my whole life.
22:56
And I didn't comment on what you said before, Benny, but around
23:00
the connection, like having connection with people like I'm
23:04
a massive advocate for exercise and I am in an introvert.
23:09
I have a very small group of the friends.
23:13
The older we've got, the closer we've got because we can speak
23:17
about anything. And it's really important what
23:20
you say like one thing. So eating well and when I say
23:27
eating well, predominantly cutting out too many complex
23:30
carbs and sugars, which. Is processed food.
23:32
Processed food, cut out processed food, move your body
23:37
every day. And my theory on movement is,
23:40
you know, it's not probably as extreme as what most people are.
23:43
I believe you should carve out 20 minutes every day and whether
23:49
that's a brisk walk, doing some weights, yoga, bike ride,
23:54
whatever it is, you know, 20 minutes.
23:58
I think you need to lift weights twice a week.
24:00
Doesn't need to gain to be excessive weights, but you need
24:04
so two of those 20 minutes would be put towards weights and try
24:12
two to three days a week to get a second session in.
24:15
And if you can't, it doesn't matter.
24:17
But you got to move your body 20 minutes a day and it's got to
24:20
be, you know, unless there's medical reasons why you can't do
24:24
it or your doctor tells you not to do it.
24:28
You know, it has to be fairly brisk for that 20 minutes.
24:31
And I want to spat rich he's man of his way over the 20 minutes.
24:33
So we went to the Brumbies. We met on Saturday night and we
24:36
went to the the pub before met at the pub before.
24:39
But you go mate. I just gotta go to the gym any
24:42
time to sat there from the house.
24:43
Gotta go to a quick 20 minute workout.
24:44
Can you get order me a beer? I'm like what?
24:46
Order me a beer and you're like, you're going to the gym.
24:48
Yeah, mate, I'll just be 20 minutes.
24:50
I'm all right. So go down.
24:51
And I didn't know whether to, like, hold off the food order
24:53
and the beer order, but, mate, lock clockwork 20 of minutes, He
24:57
comes straight hobbling down with your crutch.
24:58
And I was like, all right, yeah, 20, he's fed income 20 minutes.
25:01
Yeah, yeah, look, sometimes I'll spread that out to 30, some that
25:05
says I'll do 40. But that 20 minute workout mate
25:09
is, is gold. So I'd done 25 minutes in the
25:12
morning on the exercise bike, some only 8 days.
25:16
I was 8 days and then 20 minutes up a body weights mate.
25:21
I'm as good as gold and I can afford to go and have two beers
25:26
and enjoy the Brumbies. What a great win give.
25:29
You up down the tower. Sorry Samer, if you listen to
25:32
this. Yep, Yep.
25:33
So yeah, look, 20 minutes, try and double up twice a week,
25:37
maybe a third time, but don't like, and you and I've spoken
25:42
about this, you know, be careful of all the Super 6 pack
25:48
influences out there that say you have to be extreme with your
25:51
training. It's just not the case, mate.
25:54
You need to move, you need to move your body.
25:56
But as well as that, so cut the sugars out, cut processed food
26:02
out, move your body 20 minutes a day and develop connections with
26:07
with people, Talk and listen. You know, it's and I'm not going
26:12
to mention the name, but I spent a fair chunk of time this
26:16
weekend with a good mate of mine from Canberra and I gave him
26:20
some pretty tough love this weekend.
26:22
You know, he he's in a situation where he again, I could see it
26:29
in his head, his forehead, like he was just.
26:33
Not what he's like. He's like, he just got a way out
26:36
here. Yeah, I don't know what it is,
26:37
Benny, but I I reckon it's my between.
26:40
People, my forehead's pretty big.
26:42
It's decent mate, it's. Decent.
26:44
Sell that for advertising on the podcast I think.
26:47
Anytime Fitness sponsor on my forehead.
26:50
But yeah, I spent a good chunk of time with him this weekend,
26:54
spent made sure I saw him every day this weekend.
26:57
And he I saw him earlier today and he said, mate, thank you for
27:01
being honest with me. And I'm not going to tell you
27:02
what the topic was, but he was, he needed some tough love.
27:07
And I it wasn't the case where he I needed to send him to
27:11
someone. He just let a particular
27:13
situation get on top of him. And was that why is that because
27:17
he wasn't making the right hard decision, he just avoiding a
27:20
hard decision? Avoiding a hard decision, mate.
27:22
So but yeah, that's not really a mental health situation.
27:25
I guess what I'm getting at though is that you need to what
27:30
I've become better as I got, as I get older is is listening and
27:35
caring about what other people have got to say.
27:38
You know, when you 20s and 30s, I think I was terrible, you know
27:43
that listening to my mates, whereas now I actually actively
27:47
seek a man and want to listen to him.
27:49
So developing those real connections with someone you
27:53
know, whether it's your partner, mates, some people get it from
27:57
animals, you know it's. Toto Lons, we're here.
28:00
We're at Lonsdale Studio Toto, the dubbed beautiful border
28:03
collie here before. Yeah.
28:05
Amazing studios. Yeah, that's awesome.
28:07
Yeah. But some, yeah, they're, they're
28:10
some of the key components I think to having, you know, good,
28:13
good. And then understanding the signs
28:16
yourself of when you're getting into that, you know, your
28:19
chemicals are probably unbalancing and and hopefully
28:22
finding ways of proactively, proactively stopping them
28:27
getting really deep. I do believe that there's and I
28:31
haven't got the solution today, but I am very actively
28:36
experimenting, self experimenting with a wide
28:41
variety of supplementation natural supplements.
28:44
For brain chemistry. And I absolutely, you know,
28:49
hopefully in the next 12 months, Benny, I can come on here and
28:51
give you a list of things that I 100% believe in that can help
28:57
balance brain chemicals because I know they're out there, but.
29:00
What can we do apart from like, I mean, yeah, that'd be great
29:03
because I mean, yeah, having a gummy or something, but what are
29:08
some other, you said exercise, nutrition.
29:12
I mean, the one thing I don't think people talk enough about
29:14
is sleep. The two things like that give me
29:18
the most energy is sleep and self compassion and purpose.
29:23
They're like the well, I guess and you, you.
29:26
And when I think when we first caught up for breakfast, you
29:28
tell me about the anytime mission.
29:30
It's like a million people to What's the mission again, if any
29:33
time? You want to get a million people
29:34
involved, you know a million members is what we're after in
29:37
Australia where it's 732,000 currently.
29:42
Not just a million members, a million people.
29:44
So it was in your LinkedIn by what's the coming of the exact
29:47
word and get, you know, fit and healthy and enjoying life or
29:49
something. What can you expand on that?
29:52
Like what, how did you come to that?
29:53
Like what's the well, how does that drive you?
29:56
Because you said about purpose. Yeah, for our purpose really
29:58
gets you going. So, so Benny, I have had that
30:01
million number in my head for about 10 years and this was back
30:06
when we were 300,000 members. Don't ask me what it is, it's
30:09
just a, it's just a number that I've had in my head with, you
30:13
know, back then 25 and a half million people, I think 20,
30:16
nearly 27 million people in Australia.
30:19
Now if I can be effect positively affecting the life of
30:22
a million of those, I think that it's, that's what my purpose is
30:26
here is to try and help 1,000,000 Australians with their
30:31
exercise routines. And now we're getting close to
30:36
that. It's become our mantra at
30:38
Anytime Fitness, you know, to help a million people live a
30:42
happier, healthier life. So, and now we've just bought
30:47
Anytime Fitness UK and we're at 217,000 members and I, you know,
30:53
I said to my business partner Justin, when we settled, I said,
30:55
OK, we need to get this to half a million people in the UK.
31:00
So that's, that's purpose many and it is a good, good.
31:04
So let's come back to sleep. But again, you know, finding
31:09
your purpose and having something that you wake up in
31:11
the morning and want to get out of bed for.
31:14
I think it's important. Obviously you've got young,
31:16
young kids. My kids are a bit older some
31:20
days, some days I could lay in bed, but you know, I know that
31:24
I've got to get up because I've got to keep driving the business
31:27
towards, you know, 800 health clubs at 12150 members each and,
31:36
and edge our way towards that million members.
31:38
That's, that's my purpose. So having a purpose and whether
31:41
that purpose is, you know, helping your son or daughter
31:47
with their with their kids, you know, being the best grandparent
31:50
that everyone has to find what their purpose is and define it
31:54
for themselves and remind themselves as to what that what
31:58
they're striving for. So, you know, that's purpose is
32:02
massive. If you don't have purpose it, it
32:04
is very easy, I think to slip down, start eating rubbish,
32:09
exercise less. What's the point?
32:11
What's the point? I've got nothing to work
32:13
towards. Yeah, and then the other one,
32:15
big one, Benny's sleep. And you and I do compare you.
32:18
Know sleep stats. Yeah, yeah, there's, there's
32:20
Whip and there's auring Apple Watch.
32:23
There's plenty of things out there now that can help you
32:26
understand sleep patterns. And, you know, as individuals,
32:34
everybody, one of the things they need to work hard towards
32:37
is understanding what helps them sleep better.
32:40
You know, you asked me the other night, we were at the footy the
32:43
other night and I said, is there any chance to get in the coffee?
32:46
Then you say, won't that stop you sleeping?
32:48
I'm lucky enough that caffeine doesn't seem to affect, you
32:52
know, my sleep. That's that's my biochemistry
32:55
there. I know other people that if they
32:56
have a coffee after tea. Oh, look at it after 10:00 AM
32:59
and. Stuff and it'll stop them
33:01
sleeping so everyone needs to work.
33:03
What natural supplements? And there are plenty of natural
33:06
supplements out there for people to help them.
33:09
What is it like? I love it.
33:10
Your take on what you think, specifically sleep is related to
33:13
mental health. Like I think it's just about
33:15
giving the brain a bloody rest and the brain can just just
33:19
recharge. Do that regularly.
33:21
What is it that you think? I'm not a sleep scientist, but
33:23
I, I, I know I've read a lot of stuff around getting into that
33:30
deep sleep and REM sleep that allows you, your body to switch
33:35
off. And like you said, just take
33:39
yourself out of that stress response that happens to the
33:44
body. And some people use what they
33:48
call heart rate variability to understand how their body's
33:52
performing. I like that.
33:54
I know there's some sports scientists that question that I.
33:57
Actually, that's what we used at Brahms was was HIV for like
34:01
readiness, how hard they'd push us based on the group's HIV.
34:04
So the the thing that's heart rate variability, which is
34:08
confusing is the the closer and the more regular your heartbeat
34:13
gets. More stressed you.
34:14
Are more stressed you are yeah, whereas the wider the gaps and
34:18
more. Heart rates all over the place,
34:20
which is good thing. Yeah, good things you in a more
34:23
relaxed state and understanding that sort of stuff and and
34:26
allowing your body to get full recovery again.
34:30
I reckon we probably know 30% of what we 30% about sleep that
34:35
we'll yeah, we'll know a lot more in 10 years time.
34:38
I I think we're still scratching the surface surface of that.
34:43
I just wanted to see the conversation.
34:44
We're trying to then thing as a Brandy like I want to like I
34:48
want to start sleeping for resilience because that's the
34:51
number one things that like for me, more than exercise and
34:53
eating well, it was getting a good.
34:55
I mean, if I eat well and exercise, I end up sleeping
34:56
well. So it's all like interlinked.
34:59
But I know I got quite a lot of crap from my mates about like, I
35:03
don't know, bloody hell, mate, you're sleeping all the time.
35:05
Like what are you doing parenting or and I used to get
35:07
called sloth while we were playing, but that's because I
35:10
actually used to be in bed for a long time, but I'd actually not
35:13
sleep very well and I'd always be tired.
35:16
And that was, and I'm really grateful that I now sleep better
35:19
with three kids and a desk job than I did as a professional
35:22
athlete with none. So I think anyone like like I'm
35:26
still struggling or still getting there articulating that
35:28
story and trying to convince people.
35:30
And I think society, like you're saying before we didn't talk
35:32
about mental health. It was something just swept
35:35
under the car. But I think sleep, it's kind of
35:37
the same thing that a lot of society thinks sleep is weak and
35:41
it's an inconvenience and it's actually a waste of time.
35:43
Whereas I think you were saying hopefully in 1020 years down the
35:47
track, I forgot what you said about down the future, but I
35:50
think 1020 years down the track, we'll look back and think the
35:53
notion of sleep is weak. Is thinking like we used to
35:56
think smoking cigarettes was a good thing For sure as as we
35:59
learn more. Yeah, yeah.
36:00
And it's sleep is an interesting one, Bernie, because there's
36:04
also there is definitely oversleeping and and I know that
36:08
for me to get. Lying in bed or actually being
36:11
asleep. I think being asleep, being
36:15
asleep, yeah. Full.
36:16
Out. Yeah, Yeah, I do.
36:18
And I know myself that around my sweet spot is around 7 1/2 to 8
36:22
hours if I edge over, unless like now, I'm recovering from
36:27
surgery, I'm sleeping probably a little bit longer than that at
36:29
the moment. And if I have, you know,
36:31
stressful periods, I'll probably sleep 8 1/2.
36:34
But if I drift into that 9 hours 9 1/2.
36:38
I had 945 last night but I was only as erect from like not
36:41
getting much sleep on the weekend.
36:42
But yeah, I it didn't make I get up and I'm worse, you know, I
36:46
need to make myself get up at that 8 hour mark on a regular
36:50
basis or at least wake. Up.
36:52
Yeah, it's good. That's when I'm in a good
36:54
rhythm. I'm seven and a half eight.
36:55
But one other thing, as I said before, the two things that give
36:58
me the most energy is good night sleep and self compassion or
37:00
like self care looking after myself.
37:03
This is just a question I really want to know is how you Yeah,
37:05
apart from obviously the 20 you said with the exercise at 20
37:08
minutes at least once a day, non negotiable and eating well, what
37:13
are some other things that you do to look after yourself when
37:16
you are I mean, how many gyms your your thousand gyms globally
37:20
now? Well, now in Australia, but
37:22
you're managing you got a lot mentally like going on and and
37:25
doing you're. Weighing in on 800.
37:28
So what are some other things that you do to look keep rich
37:30
Peel well outside of sleep and exercise and nutrition.
37:33
What is some for me, it's been cut learning to cut myself some
37:36
slack. Like I I think in sport, you you
37:40
learn to like suffer and and push yourself and and you to
37:45
push through physical pain. But it's something I've really
37:48
was with some work from psychologists working to cut,
37:53
learn to cut myself a bit of slack sometimes and that things
37:57
can be going better for me. And a lot of it has come from
37:59
learning when to just go, mate, ease up on yourself.
38:01
Like you, I learned about doing recovery as an athlete, but I've
38:04
never learned to do the mental recovery.
38:07
I'm not pushing myself all the time.
38:08
What? As someone you just do.
38:11
You do so much, so much going on.
38:13
What else do you do to fit into? Yeah, keep Rich Rich well
38:16
upstairs. Good question.
38:18
Well, first of all, I'm a massive believer in saunas.
38:24
So I've got both a steam room and a sauna at home.
38:26
So an infrared sauna and the traditional steam room.
38:29
And I'm not allowed to at the moment, but I would do five days
38:33
a week. Some of that.
38:35
I did contrast therapy with cold therapy in between short periods
38:38
of cold and the mental clarity and the science behind heat
38:44
exposure is made it stuff visible anymore.
38:47
Yeah, it's, we know the benefits that you get from that.
38:50
So I, you know, I recommend everybody should be doing some
38:54
heat exposure two or three times a week.
38:59
And I'm a massive fan of the contrast.
39:01
But yeah, some people don't like that, but that's fine.
39:05
The other thing that I've done in the last probably 5-6 years,
39:11
Benny is as well as my support office in Sydney and we, we have
39:17
about 70 people working for Anytime Fitness supporting all
39:21
our franchisees. Very, very highly skilled group
39:26
of, of people that, that work for us up there.
39:29
I also have my own team that work for my family companies and
39:35
I have a couple of people in there that just, I'm not a very
39:40
organised person Benny. I'm a look, I've, you know,
39:44
ADHDI, didn't finish high school, that sort of stuff.
39:48
Not the smartest guy. I'm not great on computers.
39:51
Wasn't gonna say mate, but mate. I'm not, but I've got smart
39:56
people around me that help me do all the stuff that I'm poor at.
39:59
And whereas I used to, you know, just stress about and be really
40:06
hard on myself because I wasn't, you know, keeping up with the
40:10
bookworks and the. The bookkeeping or the
40:14
administrative work for my for my companies, I beat myself up
40:18
on it. Now I have really, you know,
40:20
skilled people who? Who smash it?
40:23
Who are? So doing that sort of stuff, I
40:24
have a full time lawyer slash business administrator who
40:28
works. He lives in Tasmania, Georgia.
40:31
Georgia, Great man, the great man.
40:32
Amazing. Extremely smart, extremely
40:35
organised. You know, he'll keep me, you
40:38
know, focus and helps me, helps me maximise my ADHD brain that,
40:45
you know, he's all over the place.
40:47
And and so putting a good structure of people around
40:51
around me. Now, you might say, oh, not
40:53
everybody's capable of doing that.
40:54
True. But the size of my business
40:57
allows me to have people in those positions.
40:59
But everybody can put resources in those positions.
41:02
Like there are things that you know if you're not good at
41:06
something, there are. Certain.
41:08
People that can do it. And that's one thing that that
41:12
has made my life happier, like better.
41:14
And he's the last five years or so really understanding what I'm
41:19
good at and what I'm not good at.
41:20
And I just don't try and do the things that I know I'm not good
41:24
at anymore. I focus on the things that I
41:26
know I'm good at. And believe it or not, this is
41:28
going to find really strange actually fitting out gyms like
41:33
deciding, you know? Where the squat rack should go?
41:36
I'm not good. At it, you'd think after.
41:38
You're not good at it, no. You'd think after 48 gyms that
41:42
I've owned personally and you know, 38 years that I'd be an
41:45
expert at it, but I'm actually not.
41:47
But my nephew's a genius at it, so I don't waste my time trying
41:51
to. I don't.
41:52
I can't visualise well. What's something?
41:54
What's something you look? Is it like putting the most like
41:57
that at the at a supermarket? They put the milk at the back,
42:01
the bit that it that everyone needs to get to that.
42:03
Is there any little secrets if anyone's setting up their own
42:05
gym that you want to share that like how do you?
42:08
Don't ask me that's. Where your nephew?
42:11
Your nephew. Yeah, no, look, honestly, mate,
42:14
it's I can go into a gym and tell you this doesn't feel quite
42:18
right, you know, like, you know, that's what Rex should probably
42:20
do. Too close to that.
42:22
Or why is that? Why are those 4?
42:24
Pieces safety or just. Yeah, safety and convenience and
42:27
flow of workout that I can do. What I can't do is get an empty
42:31
box and go OK how are we going to fit this out for maximum I
42:36
need? I can I can fix it up when
42:38
everything's in there, but I just can't visualise.
42:40
Do you design gyms feel like connections?
42:42
That's something with the pub. A big part.
42:44
I only realised the other day, the word pub is from the word
42:47
public house. Youth pubs are always the place
42:49
in the in the UK where people come together.
42:51
So when the DOC would design, we thought a lot about out is it,
42:54
you know, people, some people like the high tables.
42:57
So we got sit down, we got the low tables.
42:59
So the oldies who got bad backs can sit down and connect.
43:02
Is there anything? Yeah.
43:03
Like 100% mate. And it's, you know, it's people
43:08
ask why anytime which we started after jets in Australia and why
43:13
are we at 700,000 members. One of the things.
43:18
That's market leader, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:20
By quite a way, the founders of, you know, Chuck and Dave, the
43:25
guys that started this in the US, again, stronger a lot of
43:30
things, not great at other things, but one of the things
43:33
they've always been ahead of the curve on is understanding the
43:36
importance of creating connections with inside the gym
43:39
walls. And it's something that we
43:42
continue to focus on. And we've got a full team that
43:45
look after that side of things. But we've got a lot of work to
43:50
get better at it. There's still a lot of
43:52
improvement we can make in in that space and AI is actually
43:56
helping us break new ground in that area.
44:00
And we've got a lot of work to do in the UK on that.
44:02
Like we're OK at it in Australia, but that's one of the
44:05
weaknesses of the Anytime Fitness UK currently.
44:08
So great question and yeah, it's very important.
44:12
Very, Yeah. I want to dig in the other part.
44:17
If you're a big part of your life in the last few years and
44:19
it was your time as chairman of the Central Coast Mariners, you
44:21
obviously would have taken a lot from your experience, Anytime in
44:24
your business experience that you took into the Mariners and
44:26
turned them around, where were they on the table when you
44:28
stepped up as chairman? Mid Mid to low.
44:32
Table, yeah, yeah, mid table that it's.
44:37
And well, that went on one back to back titles and the Asia Cup
44:40
and the minor premiership for rugby people.
44:43
But it's called the Premiership. What's it called?
44:44
It's the league. That's what it's called in
44:46
soccer. Minor premiership, Minor
44:47
premiership won that as well, so.
44:50
With the smallest budget. On the smallest budget.
44:52
The youngest team. With the youngest team, what did
44:55
you take out of your time in the Mariners and sport that you
44:58
you'll take into business? So you obviously would have
45:00
taken tonnes around getting the right people in the right roles
45:02
and sports a great metaphor for that, especially rugby, Like no
45:05
point putting a prop on the wing or a proper half back if they
45:08
don't have the right skills. Yeah.
45:09
What's something that you take away from that two years at the
45:12
Mariners that you like? Well, that anyone else?
45:16
Yeah. What did you take away from that
45:17
you'll take into any time or after I could learn from?
45:21
I took a lot back into any time Benny, so when we one of the
45:26
reasons that I handed the lot the licence back to the previous
45:32
owner at the Mariners. Well, first of all, the late
45:34
cut, $2.3 million of their funding, which made it extremely
45:39
tough, but I really needed to step back just and I needed to
45:47
step back into any time. We were going really well, but
45:50
we could see that our competitors were starting the
45:55
catches and we needed another, another quick boost.
45:59
And the one thing that I learned from sport, because when I went
46:04
to the Mariners, there was so much going on.
46:08
You know, they were doing so many, trying to do so many
46:13
public appearances, but it, you know, not targeting what was
46:17
most effective and tiring players out doing that stuff.
46:21
And, you know, they had all these programmes going on.
46:25
They had a massive Academy that lacked structure.
46:30
Like there was a lot of, it was just a big mess.
46:33
And Jordan and I just sat back for the first six weeks and just
46:36
talked to people and listened and observed.
46:41
And we sat back after six weeks and we just went, OK guys, we're
46:45
going to cut this, this, this, this, this, this, this.
46:48
We cut so much peripheral noise out of the business and said
46:54
we're going to focus on two things.
46:55
We're going to focus on developing the best athletes we
46:58
can because we knew we could. That was, that's my background,
47:02
your strength. Yep.
47:04
And giving the coaches the best support that they can get so
47:09
that they can just focus on coaching players because they
47:13
were doing so much stuff like that wasn't really a coach's
47:16
job, you know, expected to do, you know, so much administration
47:22
type stuff. So.
47:23
It's not coaching stuff. No.
47:25
So when we came back into any time, the what we did was make
47:29
sure that people were in the jobs that suited their skill set
47:34
and that they knew very clearly what their job was and what they
47:38
were meant to achieve. And secondly, we just cut, cut,
47:43
cut stuff out. You know, we just, and I sat
47:46
there and we said, OK, what do we really need to do over the
47:48
next two years? And we need to stop our
47:50
competitors gaining honours. We need more clubs, more members
47:55
and more profit for our franchisees.
47:57
That's it. Those 3 buckets, we looked at
48:01
everything underneath that we were doing and if it didn't
48:03
contribute to one of those 3 buckets, we scrapped it.
48:06
I think we scrapped like 40 different, you know, projects or
48:10
components of the business really, really quickly and it
48:14
allowed people clarity on what we were we were focusing on and
48:21
allowed them, what allowed them to know what success looked like
48:25
for them and allowed them. We find we've got a really
48:30
skillful and happy workforce there at the moment because
48:34
people are achieving. They know what they've got to
48:36
achieve and they're achieving it.
48:38
And they have the belief that they can do it as.
48:39
Well, yeah, 100%, yeah. Which is the other thing, you
48:42
know, like with the coaches at the Mariners and, and there's a
48:47
documentary, it's called The Greatest Little Club.
48:49
On Paramount. On Paramount and you know, one
48:53
of the scenes in there, you know, we, we won the, the grand
48:57
final year one and then we lost our coach in that offseason.
49:00
I brought a guy over from England called Mark Jackson, the
49:02
amazing human being, great coach and we had the worst start to an
49:07
A league season by defending champion in history.
49:10
We lost our first four games. Knives were out, people.
49:14
Knives were out. In fact we lost our first five
49:16
because we were in Asia and we lost our first game in Asia and
49:19
we I think we drew one pre season game.
49:21
So I think we lost like 8 out of nine games in pre season and it
49:25
started the competition. I could just see some of the
49:29
players starting to doubt, you know, what was going on and
49:33
there's a scene in the documentary where we close the
49:36
the door I think was after the Brisbane loss around 4 of last
49:40
season. So with the potty mouth, there's
49:42
a bit of potty mouth, Yeah. Isn't that one of those scenes?
49:44
But so we close the door and I, you know, I get it on on the
49:48
microphone. We didn't let the cameras in.
49:50
We stayed in there for an hour. Jacko talked, the sporting
49:53
director, Matt Simon, the great Matt Simon talked as well.
49:57
And then and I finished off and you know, I did get pretty
49:59
passionate and I said, if any of you guys are effing doubting
50:04
Mark Jackson, come and see me after this meeting and I'll get
50:08
you a release from the club. And you know, we we all shook
50:12
hands after the meeting and players went their way and the
50:15
coach and the sporting director looked to me and went, what the
50:18
fuck have you done? I.
50:20
Care what mate, they'll be out the door.
50:21
But. The club might come to you after
50:23
this and say yeah, we want to release, but no one did, no one
50:25
didn't. And we, I think we, I, I think
50:30
we only lost two out of the next 37 games throughout Australia
50:35
and grand final series in the Asian Cup.
50:37
So it was an amazing turn around.
50:39
And I'm not saying that speech, but that.
50:44
Point. That was a turning point, but
50:45
there there all the people spoke that night.
50:47
Jack Howard only 9 for a couple months then, and he knew from
50:50
that point on, man, this guy's got my back.
50:53
And that's an important point in business.
50:55
You know, when you put people into positions that that you
51:00
believe that they're going to thrive in, you've got to give
51:05
them the confidence that you've got to give them the confidence
51:10
that you believe in them, but also that you know they're going
51:13
to make mistakes. And I was saying my team, you
51:16
know, if you're not, if you don't make mistakes, it's
51:20
because you're not pushing the boundaries.
51:21
And I want you to push boundaries.
51:23
You're going to make mistakes. OK, let's talk about it.
51:25
When you do it, hopefully you don't make the same mistake
51:28
twice because I'll probably have a limit.
51:30
You're not learning, or you're not learning from.
51:31
If you do it a third time, then we've got a little bit of a
51:33
problem we're gonna have a talk to.
51:34
But I want you to make mistakes. And I used to say when I coached
51:37
junior kids at soccer, you know, did any of you make a mistake at
51:42
half time? They go, no.
51:46
Why? You're not pushing the
51:47
boundaries. Boys push the boundaries.
51:49
Life is about pushing boundaries, seeing which side of
51:56
the fence you land on. And yeah.
51:59
Apologising if you need to. If you've knocked the fence
52:01
over, you probably need to fix it for it.
52:03
They'll ever own the fence. You know better than anyone,
52:05
Benny. You learn more from your
52:06
mistakes than you do from your successes.
52:08
You know, but accepting the mistakes are part of life.
52:12
And a classic example, my daughter's an elite gymnast.
52:16
She had the first comp of the season yesterday.
52:18
She was on the uneven bars and twice the handstand on the bar,
52:25
you know, where they're supposed to spin back around and do the
52:27
giants and then unload. She actually flipped over twice
52:29
and she's she never does that. And you know, I could see her
52:33
after the because you only get one.
52:35
Go see her throwing her wraps off and that.
52:38
And just because of the stuff that I've talked to her about,
52:42
you know, about resetting and stuff like that, I could
52:45
actually see within about 30 seconds, the smile come back on
52:49
her face. And I hope I haven't had a
52:51
chance to speak to her. I hope she realised, OK, the
52:55
straighter they get, the more points they get and it's a fine
52:57
line of going over and she was pushing her boundaries.
53:00
Unfortunately it didn't work for on that one, but she's got four
53:03
more comps coming up and I'm sure she'll know those.
53:05
So, you know, I think it's important for everyone to
53:08
understand you're going to screw shit up.
53:11
And sport, if there's one thing I learned about sport, sport is
53:13
not about winning and losing. It is about trying and learning,
53:17
having a crack. If you come up short, just
53:20
learn, go again, and then eventually you might get that
53:22
result you want. But just finally, Rich,
53:26
everything you said that really resonates for me with not just
53:29
this, but a lot of our for our stuff.
53:31
What do you think our for our should be doing in the next few
53:33
years like? Spreading.
53:35
Spreading in what, just more events more like you know, you
53:38
said obviously not doing too much.
53:40
You cut at any time and then after it's not a business, but
53:42
you cut a lot of stuff. Well, it is still got to be
53:45
traded. Lost.
53:45
Still got to be. Well, they're not.
53:46
Yeah, it's not for profits as a legal entity.
53:48
Still got to, you know, break even, all that stuff.
53:50
But what, yeah, what do you, what do you think like that we
53:55
need to do? And I think a big thing we spoke
53:57
with at our border, if any of you are listening, we want
54:00
everyone trying more things, having cracks, following your
54:02
instinct because we've done a lot of things that haven't
54:05
worked, but we have done some things that have worked.
54:07
And it like, so yoga for resilience was an example of
54:10
something we've tried. And then people are loving it,
54:11
if not more than the running. So, but what, what are the last
54:15
bit of advice for anyone in our for our community?
54:17
What advice would you have for them to help grow out and make
54:20
Canberra suicide free? First thing I would say is we
54:23
need more volunteers. We need more people to come
54:25
forward, do the training so that when you bring more venues on
54:33
you and Brenny and and the amazing board that you've got
54:36
can't go to all these events. So there needs to be another
54:38
level of volunteers that are trained in the way you guys do
54:42
things so they can make sure that when you do, when you
54:47
expand how many sites you've got, the same standards ethos is
54:53
pushed out through. The last thing you want to do is
54:56
grow too quickly and lose control of the the brand and the
54:59
product. You don't want people to.
55:00
Start. Timing, you know, or making it
55:03
more about the run than it is about the, the the talk
55:07
afterwards. Like you need to keep the, the,
55:11
the, I guess the promise that the brand is there to deliver.
55:16
You want to keep that. The more it goes, but the
55:19
quicker you can expand while keeping those standards, the
55:22
better it is. And like Jess and I have said,
55:24
we'll continue to support the brand financially to help it do
55:28
that as long as we can see that the, the quality is still being
55:34
maintained and, and that and, and that it's not losing its
55:41
soul. I guess it'll be a shame if it
55:43
ever, ever lost its soul. But I do believe this with a bit
55:48
of luck, I do believe that our for our in five years time may
55:54
even be overseas. Like I do think that it's a it's
55:58
very different to anything else out there.
56:00
Benny, like I said, the big thing is that people go along
56:04
and know it's run for resilience.
56:06
It's about running with a mate or coming along if you're
56:09
struggling to a community that's going to support you and that's
56:14
not out there anywhere else. So I think there's a big
56:17
opportunity for us to be the global leader in this space.
56:21
So the time for the top. Mate, why not?
56:26
Why not? Rich, thank you for all your
56:28
support there for our. Thanks mate.
56:30
Glad, very glad to call you a friend.
56:32
So thank you for your time. Hopefully we'll have you back
56:34
again. This has been awesome and we'll
56:36
get Jess. We'll get you better half on
56:38
soon before we get. You back but I didn't know there
56:40
was cameras. I thought it was a like a
56:41
podcast. I thought it was asking for a
56:43
paper. Bag.
56:43
Yeah, paper bag like my wife. Fuck, you know I'm well and
56:46
truly. You and I are both a part of a
56:47
certain club, yeah. Punching above our white clubs
56:50
for sure. Yeah, 100% Brothers in arms.
56:52
Lifelong members, may that be. But yeah, thank you mate, your
56:56
good friend. For more information, yeah, head
56:58
to running for resilience.com. And if there's anyone you want
57:01
us to interview, yeah, on the pod, leave a comment below.
57:04
But thanks everyone and just keep moving.