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How to Resurrect Your Dead Prayer Life with Dr. Bill Thrasher & AI Biblical Counseling with Dr. Eric Scalise · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
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  S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
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  S1: Start your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Cold spaghetti's. Great. Okay.
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  S3: Okay, I disagree. I guess not. No, I guess certainly
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  S3: it is not. No. Okay. Well, man, I'm going back.
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  S2: To my bachelor days. I guess I like cold spaghetti
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  S2: was universally loved.
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  S4: I've never been known for, like, high levels of coordination.
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  S4: That's just. And it feels like.
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  S2: I've never been known for high levels of coordination.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
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  S4: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S4: that would make it worth it.
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  S5: Our own way never ever works because it's apart from
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  S5: the life source, which is God.
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  S6: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S6: be taken from you. Christ love can't. And he went
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  S6: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S4: Hey. Good morning. Welcome to Carl and crew, our 6:00
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  S4: central time. Our listeners across the country though.
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  S3: So yes, we do.
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  S5: Sometimes it's right now it's 7:07.
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  S4: A.m. for many of you. I hope, I hope the
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  S4: rest of the day is going well.
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  S5: Could be three in the afternoon. I don't know.
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  S4: And if you're listening to our show cast, you could
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  S4: be hearing this at an entirely different time. You know,
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  S4: sports are such a great metaphor for life. Yeah. And
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  S4: even if you don't consider yourself an athlete, I think
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  S4: that there are things about athletes that people can most
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  S4: people can look at and appreciate.
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  S5: Yeah. You don't have to know all the ins and
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  S5: outs of how football or basketball work to get the
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  S5: story and to enjoy the story.
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  S4: I don't consider myself a great athlete. I mean, I,
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  S4: I played volleyball, I played a couple of years of
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  S4: college volleyball, but I am I will be the first
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  S4: to admit that I was. I was a solid volleyball player.
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  S4: I was never the best.
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  S5: Sure you weren't. You didn't have thoughts of Olympics.
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  S4: No, I mean, I play, I play after two years
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  S4: of college, I said, I think I'm done. Sure I
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  S4: loved I really, truly did love the sport, but coaching
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  S4: situations and an ankle injury, ultimately, I was like, I
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  S4: think that this is I think it's run its course
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  S4: for me, you know, but I, I look at my
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  S4: husband who was a, a high level athlete and played professionally.
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  S4: And then now I have two kids who both love basketball.
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  S4: And I, you know, it's interesting the amount of things
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  S4: I learned from my daughter who's a junior in high
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  S4: school who has aspirations to play college basketball, women's college basketball.
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  S4: And so she has totally learned from my husband. So
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  S4: it's not like this is just kind of come out
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  S4: of nowhere.
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  S5: You know, she's had the right training.
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  S4: But the level of drive and commitment that she has
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  S4: to the simple things is what I find remarkable because
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  S4: I know that I am I tend to want to
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  S4: give up quickly. I mean, I just do. I'm just
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  S4: being honest with my personality.
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  S5: Sure.
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  S4: My natural personality, apart from the grace of God, I
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  S4: want to give up when the minute adversity hits.
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  S5: Smacking into resistance, you're.
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  S3: Like, yeah.
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  S5: Kind of lean into.
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  S3: It.
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  S4: Like if it, you know, when it feels really hard
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  S4: in my weightlifting class, I want to drop down and
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  S4: do lighter weights. And sometimes I do, like, I just
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  S4: don't have it today.
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  S5: Yeah, I get it.
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  S3: Yeah, sure.
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  S4: Would you consider yourself someone who sticks with it? Like to.
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  S4: You know, at a pretty high level, like, okay, this
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  S4: is a little bit adversity. This is expected. Or do
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  S4: you are you more like me? And you're kind of like, I,
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  S4: I want to give up.
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  S5: No, I most of the time I'm in a place of,
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  S5: of that wanting to give up when the resistance comes.
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  S5: When you talk about weightlifting. Yep. I totally understand it.
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  S5: As soon as you feel the burn, you're like, all right,
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  S5: I'm kind of done with this. I've had a couple
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  S5: moments where I've stuck with it in in some high
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  S5: leverage things. And it's, it's felt awesome. But like I,
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  S5: I've been here for nine years. So this is, I
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  S5: don't think I've even shared it before the, the first
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  S5: week that I worked here, you know, the new waking
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  S5: up early schedule. I was also a student at the time.
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  S5: So when I finished here, I didn't get to go
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  S5: take a nap. Always. I had classes all the rest
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  S5: of the day. And like on Thursday of my first week,
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  S5: I called my my now wife girlfriend. Then Shannon and
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  S5: I called her and I was crying, and I was like,
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  S5: I don't think I can do this.
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  S3: I was.
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  S5: Like, I was like, I can't.
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  S3: Hold up. I was like, oh, yeah.
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  S5: And, and she said, she said, just stick with it
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  S5: a little longer. And, and I think that you'll see
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  S5: an adjustment come. And the adjustment came and I was
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  S5: grateful for that because I'm still here now. But yeah, no,
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  S5: as soon as the resistance comes and a lot of things,
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  S5: I'm kind of like, all right, is it worth it?
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  S4: Every first day of every job I've ever had, I've
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  S4: wanted to quit. But how will how can I ever
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  S4: do this? This is so hard. I will never learn
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  S4: how to do this. What about you? I do you,
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  S4: I you know, I, I think I'm going to answer
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  S4: for you. Okay. But you go first, but you go first.
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  S4: Go ahead. I think you have. I think you have
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  S4: a stick with Itness.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S3: Yeah, absolutely.
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  S4: And I don't think she's going to say that.
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  S3: Correct.
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  S4: But what I've seen to be true about you is
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  S4: I think that you have a, a, a deeper well
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  S4: of stick with it.
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  S3: I would agree.
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  S6: I hang on. I'm. Yeah, very, very hopeful. Maybe I
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  S6: hang on to some things that I probably shouldn't.
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  S3: I'm going to.
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  S6: I'm going to say that that's the that's the whole
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  S6: problem with our show and segment. But yeah, sometimes you
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  S6: can stick with it too much.
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  S4: Sure, sure, sure. And we know that there's always that
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  S4: high ridge in anything that we talk about.
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  S6: But yeah, I stick with it.
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  S4: And there's, you know, so back to my daughter. So
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  S4: she's a high school junior and, you know, she really
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  S4: started loving basketball, I would say in like fourth or
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  S4: fifth grade. She played a little bit before that, played
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  S4: on a couple of teams. But in fifth grade during
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  S4: Covid actually was when she said there was a switch
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  S4: that flipped for her. And so Covid, you know, everything
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  S4: was shut down. Everything, even the parks.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S4: And so.
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  S5: Man, that was hard.
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  S4: But I remember her, you know, she decided, okay, I
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  S4: if it takes 10,000 zero hours to be great at something.
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  S4: I'm going to start my ten zero zero zero hours.
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  S5: Hey.
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  S3: Start early.
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  S4: And so she started like a book, like a notebook
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  S4: to start to log. Wow.
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  S3: Good for her.
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  S4: And so she would go out there with my husband
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  S4: kind of training her, but it was her driving it
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  S4: that was, that was the thing that and if you're
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  S4: a sports parent, oh, boy, is this important. She was
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  S4: the one driving it. So she was like, I got
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  S4: it's time I got to go out. It's like, well,
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  S4: it's raining. No, no, no, no, I need to go out.
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  S4: And so she would go out there and she would
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  S4: do her ball handling. And she started to get better
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  S4: and better at her ball handling. And she was is
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  S4: to this day. Now it's six years later, she's so
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  S4: disciplined with the work that it takes to be good
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  S4: at basketball. And there are so many times that I'm like,
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  S4: you probably should take like, this should be a day off.
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  S4: Like you worked really hard yesterday and there is time
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  S4: for recovery. So we do emphasize that. But she's like,
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  S4: I'm like, but you didn't feel great this morning. She's like,
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  S4: it like, it doesn't matter. I'm going. I'm going to
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  S4: the gym. I'm going to work on my shots. And
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  S4: so I'll just watch her. And I kind of marvel
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  S4: at it because it's this this quality that the great
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  S4: athletes have for sure.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S4: And she would be the first one to tell you
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  S4: that she doesn't have like insane natural athleticism.
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  S5: The one of the most cool things in sports is
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  S5: that a lot of these professional leagues are more made
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  S5: up of people who have this high drive of discipline
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  S5: than have this insane amount of natural.
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  S3: Talent.
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  S4: And who know how to get the most out of
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  S4: what they do have. Yes. And so we always joke
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  S4: that starting from the very first kind of big basketball
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  S4: games that she started to play, she loved to shoot
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  S4: the ball, as most kids do. And so there would
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  S4: be times when she would shoot up like five airballs.
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  S4: And in my mind, I would look at my husband
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  S4: and I would go, she should probably stop shooting now.
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  S4: I mean, they're not going in for her today, But
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  S4: without fail, she just keeps shooting. And so a lot
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  S4: of you could see, especially with girls, I think you
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  S4: would see a lot of girls. If they miss a
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  S4: couple shots, they start to like shrink back a little bit.
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  S3: Sure.
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  S4: Do a little bit less because nobody really likes to
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  S4: be the one out there that shoots five airballs, right?
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  S5: I'm putting myself out there and it's just not working.
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  S4: But for whatever reason, that didn't she was undeterred.
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  S6: Did not. Yeah.
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  S4: And so we will watch games now where some games,
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  S4: if you shoot some games, you shoot well and some games.
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  S4: And this is true for even the very best shooters
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  S4: in the world. Steph Curry if he has an off game.
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  S4: But what do you tell shooters keep shooting. Yeah. So
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  S4: she she could miss nine straight and shoot that ten
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  S4: with the full confidence that it's going in.
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  S3: That's man.
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  S5: Crazy.
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  S3: It is crazy.
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  S4: It's absolutely crazy to me. And and so there's been
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  S4: many times where she will shoot herself back into a
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  S4: game because she doesn't let the misses keep her from
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  S4: keeping doing exactly what she knows to do. Not changing
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  S4: her shot. And so I said, this is not a
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  S4: brag on my kid thing.
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  S3: No, no.
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  S4: When I think about the spiritual discipline that it takes
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  S4: to not be great in our own eyes, but to
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  S4: be able to withstand adversity, be able to walk through
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  S4: the storms of life. There's a certain stick to it
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  S4: ness when the ball's not going in. But don't change anything.
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  S4: Just keep shooting mentality that you have to have in
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  S4: the spiritual life.
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  S3: Yes.
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  S4: Because the reps that it takes to walk in victory,
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  S4: it's not exciting. It's like going out and dribbling in
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  S4: the rain when you'd rather sit on the couch and
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  S4: watch Netflix.
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  S5: Yep, absolutely.
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  S4: And so I want to wrestle with that this morning
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  S4: because as somebody who wants to give up easily, like
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  S4: it's the shots aren't going in. Let's pack it up
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  S4: and go home. I'm not feeling like my prayers are
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  S4: getting answered, so maybe I should just stop. I've been
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  S4: reading my Bible, but I don't really understand what I'm reading.
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  S4: Maybe I should try something else. Does that sound familiar?
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  S4: You want to give up because you don't see the results.
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  S4: It doesn't feel like it's making a difference and doing
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  S4: the same thing day after day after day. It gets boring.
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  S4: It gets monotonous. Sticking with the basics, let's talk about it.
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  S1: It's Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
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  S4: You know, we've been talking about sticking with it all
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  S4: week and sticking with the basics. What are the things
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  S4: that we know help us grow spiritually? I mean, just basics, prayer.
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  S5: Getting in the word, fasting.
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  S6: Uh, community.
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  S5: Church community, the body of getting involved, uh, being the
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  S5: hands and feet.
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  S4: Reading your Bible and praying every day. And we've seen,
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  S4: we've sung that little song before. Jonathan. You learned it.
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  S4: Maybe you learned it too soon. I read your Bible
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  S4: and pray every day.
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  S6: I've heard of it.
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  S4: Yes.
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  S6: I grew up with it, but I heard of it.
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  S4: And and you'll grow, grow, grow. And the thing about
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  S4: the everydayness of spiritual disciplines is that you don't always
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  S4: see immediate results, right?
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  S5: Oh, I mean, you never see immediate results. I mean, okay,
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  S5: that's not true.
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  S4: We'll leave room for. There are times when.
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  S5: Yes, there.
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  S4: Are certainly times when you see an immediate answer to.
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  S5: Prayer. Yes, that is very true. 100%. And but in
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  S5: terms of growth, like, yeah, I after I read the Bible,
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  S5: God gives me an amazing truth and I, I am
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  S5: immediately affected by it and it helps me immediately. I
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  S5: also probably do need to focus in on that for
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  S5: a while in order to retain it and keep it
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  S5: past just that immediate moment.
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  S4: So what can easily happen? The battle that we fight
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  S4: in the in the spiritual life is often a battle
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  S4: to stick with it. When spiritual disciplines feel dry, when
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  S4: prayer feels like it's not really doing anything, and Bible
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  S4: reading feels like I don't know what I'm. Don't know
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  S4: what I'm reading. I don't know if I'm retaining this
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  S4: when it feels like fasting. I mean, I'm kind of hungry, right?
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  S4: Like the, the, there's such a, it always amazes me
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  S4: how much the flesh wars against the spirit life.
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  S5: Yep.
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  S4: In the biggest and smallest ways. You sit down to
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  S4: read your Bible and you have great intentions, and then
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  S4: you wake up 30 minutes later and go, what just happened?
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  S4: How did I.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S4: Like happens all of a sudden. I got go so
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  S4: sleepy I couldn't keep my eyes open.
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  S5: I understand how the disciples fell asleep in the garden
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  S5: when they were praying with Jesus.
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  S4: Just like you couldn't even pray with me for one hour.
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  S4: And this is not a legalistic thing, not a this
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  S4: is not a box checking thing. This is what I
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  S4: think the human experience often is, always is, is that
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  S4: war between the flesh and the spirit. So I'm curious
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  S4: to hear from you when it comes to spiritual disciplines,
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  S4: what makes you most likely to want to give up?
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  S4: Just take texts on this one. What makes you most
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  S4: likely want to give up? Is it discouragement? Is it motivation?
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  S4: Is it something else? What is it that makes you
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  S4: most want to give up on prayer, Bible reading, gathering
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  S4: with God's people, the basics of the Christian life that
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  S4: actually do over time help you grow strong in the Lord.
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  S4: And without them, without fail, 100% of the time, you
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  S4: are the weaker for it. Right?
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  S5: Oh yeah.
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  S4: Oh yeah.
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  S5: Every single. Time.
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  S4: Oh yeah. We've all lived that. You've been out of
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  S4: the word. You've been out of community. You've neglected to pray.
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  S4: And you can, you can kind of start to beat
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  S4: yourself up over it, but it's not about like, oh,
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  S4: God must be disappointed in me. It's that we're actually
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  S4: sacrificing the very thing that helps us grow. So that,
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  S4: like the athlete who has not really prepared all week,
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  S4: but then shows up for the game and they're not
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  S4: ready for the moment. Right?
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  S5: Exactly.
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  S4: And it's not that they're a bad person or that
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  S4: they'll never be any good, it's that.
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  S5: They just weren't ready.
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  S4: You didn't do the very basics. You didn't show up
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  S4: to practice this week. You didn't put in any reps
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  S4: to actually have the muscle memory so that when you
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  S4: go out there and the clock is ticking and the
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  S4: opponent is on you, you've got a higher percentage of
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  S4: making that shot. When you've been shooting, when nobody else
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  S4: is watching.
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  S5: Exactly.
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  S4: What is it for you that most makes you prone
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  S4: to want to give up on the basics? The spiritual disciplines.
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  S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S4: Lots of responses coming in from you on this question.
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  S4: What is that thing that most makes you want to
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  S4: give up on the spiritual disciplines, the basics of prayer
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  S4: and Bible reading and fasting and gathering with God's people.
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  S4: Let's see. Illness or lack. Truly feeling overwhelmed. Depression. Exhaustion.
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  S4: The constant need of the flesh. Non-Stop thoughts. Busyness. Busyness. Distractions. Discouraged.
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  S4: How does this hit you guys?
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  S5: Yeah, I think it's real. I mean, all of those
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  S5: things are understandable. Uh, it's, you know, you said discouraged.
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  S5: And I think sometimes, and I'm guilty of this as
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  S5: well is we, we feel that type of way. And
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  S5: then we don't look to the one place that can
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  S5: help us. Yeah. Pull us out of it.
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  S4: That's the irony, right?
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S4: Is it on all of those places is where God
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  S4: meets us 100%.
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  S5: I think for me, one of the hardest things or
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  S5: what kind of pulls me out sometimes is, uh, just
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  S5: in all honesty, uh, the desire or distraction of other things.
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  S5: I yeah, you know what I. I could sit and
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  S5: read the Bible right now, but I had a long
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  S5: day and I kind of just want to sit and
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  S5: watch TV and not do anything. Uh, and and that's hard,
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  S5: but it's true. Uh, sometimes I can just get pulled away. Yeah.
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  S5: And I got to be wary of that.
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  S4: Uh, 9630 just gave a response. Um, laziness. And that's.
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  S5: That's real.
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  S4: Let's call it what it is.
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  S6: That's so real.
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  S4: Yeah. What were you going to say?
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  S6: I, I was just saying that that phrase like I'm tired.
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  S4: Mhm.
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  S6: Can really have a lot of layers. A lot of
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  S6: layers to two little words. Yeah. I'm tired. And I
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  S6: would just really encourage that when you're in that point
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  S6: community more than ever. Yes. In the word, in the, in,
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  S6: in prayer. But seek a friend, seek a pastor, seek, uh,
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  S6: women within the church or men depending, you know what
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  S6: I'm saying? Just seek, uh, seek help. And on the
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  S6: opposite note, if you're really noticing someone just kind of going,
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  S6: they're not coming out as much as they used to.
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  S6: They're not involved as much as they used to. Maybe
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  S6: they're saying the phrase, I'm tired more than they used to,
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  S6: kind of pay more attention to that.
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  S4: Yeah. Always, always good insight. You know, when you think
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  S4: about I've, I've been in acts this week and you
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  S4: think about the basis for so many churches comes out
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  S4: of acts two, the fellowship of the believers. Now we've
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  S4: talked about the when the early church, the 120 that
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  S4: were gathered in that upper room, the day of Pentecost
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  S4: comes and they're filled with the Holy Spirit. And Peter
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  S4: boldly preaches the gospel, and it starts to spread quickly.
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  S4: They're also met with a lot of opposition, as there
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  S4: are public healings that are performed, and leaders start to
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  S4: question and fear this movement of Jesus's followers. And so
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  S4: the believers were so tightly knit. And so acts 242
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  S4: on it says, and they devoted themselves to the apostles
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  S4: teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread. And
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  S4: the prayers and awe came upon every soul, and many
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  S4: wonders and signs were being done through the apostles, and
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  S4: all who believed were together and had all things in common.
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  S4: They were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the
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  S4: proceeds to all as any had need, and day by day,
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  S4: attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes,
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  S4: they received their food with glad and generous hearts, praising
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  S4: God and having favor with all people. And the Lord
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  S4: added to their number day by day those who were
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  S4: being saved. Did you catch that twice? Day by day,
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  S4: attending the temple together. Breaking bread in their homes day
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  S4: by day.
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  S5: Day by day.
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  S4: The Lord was adding to their number. So it was
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  S4: the devotion to the teaching or preaching of the word,
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  S4: the fellowship, the breaking of bread, and the prayers. It's
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  S4: a pretty simple existence, right?
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  S5: Yeah. And it was day by day.
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  S4: Day by.
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  S5: Day. And that's so important because, you know, I like
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  S5: to run. But as soon as I take a day off,
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  S5: I kind of stop wanting to run a little bit.
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  S5: And then maybe I take a couple more days off.
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  S4: It's easier to neglect it, right?
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  S5: Yes.
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  S4: So if you've been in a pattern or a season
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  S4: of neglecting God's Word or neglecting to gather with God's people,
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  S4: we talked a little bit about that yesterday, neglecting to
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  S4: seek God in prayer. You know, go to God with that.
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  S4: And that sounds so simple and so obvious, yet it's
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  S4: the reminder that I always need, and that I think
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  S4: we all need is go back to God. It's not
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  S4: a five step plan to try to get your life right.
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  S4: Just go back to God, confess honestly where you're at. Repent, turn.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S4: And ask him for the grace to help you read
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  S4: your word, even if you don't understand it. Tomorrow, get
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  S4: up again and and and read your word. You know,
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  S4: my pastor, Pastor Al Toledo, is so this is the
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  S4: thing that he preaches faithfully. It's it's woven into almost
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  S4: everything that he says and does. It's like it's his
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  S4: heart's motto and mission of, you know, just like that
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  S4: day by day, putting down roots, being privately healthy, seeking
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  S4: God in the quiet places. And it's it never I
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  S4: never get tired of hearing it because it's always the
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  S4: reminder that I need, that it's that every day, day
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  S4: by day, seeking God that ultimately allows us to grow.
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  S4: And I want to grow.
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  S5: I'd like to as well.
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  S4: Super di, you want to grow?
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  S6: Oh, I think so. Yeah. Hands up for sure.
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  S4: If you want to grow.
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  S6: Absolutely. Yeah.
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  S4: Got to get back to the basics. Good reminder this
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  S4: morning here on Carl and crew.
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  S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S4: Sometimes it can be challenging to stick with it in prayer.
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  S4: If you have not seen God move, or at least
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  S4: you don't think you've seen him move in the way
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  S4: that you have been praying for, expecting, asking you for
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  S4: your story this morning, what's something you had to persevere
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  S4: in prayer for? 800 555, 7898 got a text message
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  S4: from someone who says, I prayed for my brother's salvation
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  S4: for 50 years. Three years ago, he came to Christ.
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  S4: His life was totally changed.
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  S5: Incredible.
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  S4: Oh, wow.
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  S5: That's proof enough to just stay persistent.
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  S4: 50 years of praying for a loved one.
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  S6: Thank you for sharing.
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  S4: Yeah.
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  S6: That's awesome.
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  S4: Another text message. Healing for my marriage. We separated for
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  S4: over a year. He'll he and salvation for my husband
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  S4: so persevered in prayer there. What's your answer to that question?
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  S4: What's something you had to persevere in prayer for? 800 555, 78, 98.
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  S5: You know, for me, it was my daughter. My first daughter.
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  S5: We've got a second daughter on the way. But, you know,
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  S5: the process of of wanting to have a child and
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  S5: not having a child for when you want them is
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  S5: it can be difficult sometimes there's a lot of emotional, uh,
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  S5: weight to carry with that because you're hopeful and then,
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  S5: you know, you're waiting and then you find out no,
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  S5: and then okay, you're hopeful and then you're waiting and no,
• 23:59
  S5: and you kind of get that no, a good few
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  S5: stretches down the road and you're like, oh man, I
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  S5: just keep waiting and I keep hearing no. And it's
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  S5: just it's discouraging and it hurts and it's hard. And,
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  S5: and we didn't stop praying. We changed our prayers. We allowed,
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  S5: you know, us to surrender it to God. But we
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  S5: did keep praying. And eventually he did answer us. And
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  S5: we named our daughter Eliana, which means God has answered
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  S5: just to remind us that he's there. And I think about, uh,
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  S5: Luke 181 through eight as we're talking about this, Jesus
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  S5: gives this parable. It says he told them a parable
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  S5: to the effect that they ought to always pray and
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  S5: not lose heart. He said, in a certain city there
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  S5: was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man,
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  S5: and there was a widow in that city who kept
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  S5: coming to him and saying, give me justice against my adversary.
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  S5: For a while he refused. For a while he refused.
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  S5: But afterwards he said to himself, though I neither fear
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  S5: God nor respect man, yet because this widow keeps bothering me,
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  S5: I will give her justice so that she will not
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  S5: beat me down by her continual coming. And the Lord said,
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  S5: hear what the unrighteous judge says. And will not God
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  S5: give you justice to his elect who cried to him
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  S5: day and night? Will he delay long over them? I
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  S5: tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. I
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  S5: think that that's a really important thing for us. God
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  S5: tells us to be persistent. He tells us to be
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  S5: persistent with him, to keep coming to him because he's
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  S5: better than that unrighteous judge that he gives the parable about. Yeah.
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  S5: And so he loves us. He wants to take care
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  S5: of us, and he wants to give us the things
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  S5: that we need.
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  S4: And I love that, that parable, because it's not the
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  S4: takeaway is not that just keep bothering God until he
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  S4: gets so tired of hearing from you.
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  S5: Exactly.
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  S4: That there are definitely been times when my kids were
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  S4: wore me down in that I. I did not intend
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  S4: to give them ice cream, for example, but they pestered
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  S4: me enough to where I was like, fine, we're just
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  S4: gonna do ice cream today because I can't take your
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  S4: asking anymore. That is not the picture of God here. Correct.
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  S4: It is that if an unrighteous judge can be worn
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  S4: down by persistence, how much more a good God seeks
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  S4: to give good gifts to his children who persist in
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  S4: asking him?
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  S5: Exactly right.
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  S4: So he is obviously the comparison. Like God is not
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  S4: a God, not a not a man. Right? And so
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  S4: everything that he does is infinitely better, infinitely more perfect
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  S4: than what we could ever accomplish, even on our best days. Right?
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  S5: Exactly.
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  S4: So don't stop praying.
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  S1: Celebrating the unstoppable gospel.
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  S5: It's not that I've got to fill in these check boxes,
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  S5: so he's okay with me, but it's that I get
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  S5: to stand close to him so that I can experience
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  S5: the life that he has for me.
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  S1: You're listening to cast and Crew.
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  S4: Well, has this ever happened to you? Have you ever
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  S4: had a season of life in your journey with the
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  S4: Lord where prayer seems difficult? Maybe you feel like your
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  S4: prayers haven't been answered, or you feel like you start praying,
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  S4: but then you get so distracted and your mind goes
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  S4: a million other places. Maybe you're saying words, but it
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  S4: feels disconnected. And if you're not careful, you can start
• 27:17
  S4: to feel like, what's the point? Why am I even
• 27:20
  S4: doing this? Doctor Bill Thrasher, who's been such a treasure
• 27:24
  S4: for our show, he's got a book that I think
• 27:26
  S4: is such a great resource. It goes right after it.
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  S4: How to resurrect a dead prayer life transforming your prayers
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  S4: into a spirit empowered, life giving adventure. I'm so glad
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  S4: you've written a book like this and that you've given
• 27:39
  S4: it a title that's so clearly captures what so many
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  S4: people may feel, but are afraid to say out loud.
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  S4: Let's start with how do you know if your prayer
• 27:50
  S4: life has died?
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  S7: You know, certainly the title of the book is No
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  S7: Desire to Demean Anybody. I'm really talking about my own experience.
• 27:58
  S7: I got saved at 13 years of age at a
• 28:00
  S7: Billy Graham crusade. It did not significantly grow after that,
• 28:03
  S7: but until it was actually in college and walked into
• 28:07
  S7: a fraternity brother's room and he shared with me about
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  S7: the ministry of the Holy Spirit. And that sort of
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  S7: sparked that was a very uninformed Christian. God used that
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  S7: to spark my Christian life and got involved in ministry
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  S7: and ultimately called into ministry. I roomed with him, and
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  S7: we had a prayer meeting in our room every night.
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  S7: And as I felt God's call to go to seminary,
• 28:27
  S7: I had a prayer meeting in my room every night
• 28:29
  S7: there and and even God's call to come to Moody.
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  S7: So after about ten years of being very involved in
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  S7: the activity of prayer and you're around the church, people say,
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  S7: pray for this, pray for this. I really tried to
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  S7: pray for it all. And then there was one morning,
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  S7: like you so clearly articulated, I said, God, this thing
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  S7: that I've given myself to the Lord, would you just
• 28:48
  S7: sort of take this burden off my back? Because what
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  S7: I realized that morning, Lord, I'm not sure I'm really
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  S7: expecting anything to happen. And if you're praying, you're not
• 28:56
  S7: expecting anything to happen. Sooner or later you'll ask yourself
• 28:59
  S7: the question, why pray? So I felt like my prayer
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  S7: life had died. I said, God, there's two things I
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  S7: keep hearing about prayer, and I've bought into those totally. Uh,
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  S7: one is it's very, very, very important. Two is you
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  S7: need to discipline yourself to do it. Well, God, I've
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  S7: bought into both of those things. So, God, there's got
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  S7: to be something else you got to teach me. And
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  S7: so that put me on a pilgrimage to trusting God
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  S7: to resurrect my own prayer life.
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  S4: So I'm curious more about what that looked like when
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  S4: you realized that you had bought into the things that
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  S4: were true, that it was a discipline, that it was
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  S4: important to do. But there was like, you weren't really
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  S4: expecting anything to happen. Where did you go from there?
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  S7: Well, you know, I said, God, I've got to learn some,
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  S7: some new lessons. And, you know, there are five commands
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  S7: in relationship to the Holy Spirit. Be filled with the spirit.
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  S7: Walk by the spirit. Don't grieve the spirit. Don't quench
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  S7: the spirit. But the fifth one is pray in the spirit.
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  S7: I said, Lord, I think that's the one. I'm not
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  S7: sure I know what that means, but but God, it
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  S7: seems to me you tell me this experience of prayer
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  S7: is not just a human event. I'm not supposed to
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  S7: be able to pull it off. You've given me a helper.
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  S7: And Lord, also when I saw Scripture, God, you seem
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  S7: to honor need you say it does not lie within
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  S7: man to direct his path. I'm not supposed to be
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  S7: smart enough. You give all these promises to the needy.
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  S7: You save the children of the needy. Okay, God, I've
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  S7: always felt my children qualified for that verse. And he
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  S7: sets the needy securely on high away from affliction. So
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  S7: he's opposed to the proud. Grace to the humble. So, Lord, okay,
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  S7: I recognize my need in my prayer life. I need
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  S7: you to resurrect it. And that put me on a pilgrimage. God,
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  S7: what does it mean to pray in the spirit? And
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  S7: you know, D.L. Moody, the greatest preacher of his day? Unquestionably.
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  S7: I think every church historian would say that. He said,
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  S7: I'd rather teach one person to pray than ten people
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  S7: to preach. Yeah. So there is a teaching to it.
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  S7: And so Luke 111 used to be on the top
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  S7: of my prayer life for many years. Lord, teach me
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  S7: to pray. And sometimes I've had to unlearn things about prayer.
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  S7: And so you come to God. It's very unflattering. So
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  S7: I'm speaking of myself, Lord, in and of myself. I
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  S7: don't care about anybody but me. What's in it for me?
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  S7: Just run so deep in our soul. I can't produce
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  S7: Christ like fervency. I can't produce Christ like compassion. And so, God,
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  S7: I need to trust you under the filling of your spirit,
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  S7: which you produce that in me. And he can and
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  S7: he will.
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  S4: You know, I love that. And have you seen that
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  S4: to be the case in your own life, in your
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  S4: own journey with the Lord, that as you trusted the
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  S4: Holy Spirit to develop that passion and that fervency to
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  S4: where it wasn't just kind of reading a grocery list
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  S4: of bless this person, heal this person, help this person.
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  S4: How long did it take before God answered that prayer
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  S4: of give me some passion and fervency here?
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  S7: And may I say also that I think I have
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  S7: to continually rediscover it? Yes. You know, I don't think
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  S7: it's something oh boy, I've got this down or whatever.
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  S7: I think there's continually new lessons that God has shown me. But,
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  S7: you know, when you open your life up to the
• 31:55
  S7: spirit and he begins to help you see needs and
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  S7: to begin to feel those needs, and then you admit
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  S7: your helplessness to do anything about it, but you surrender
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  S7: it to God and you cry out to God with
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  S7: that fervency and helplessness, and you see him work. And also,
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  S7: I think the thrilling thing is you're praying to God.
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  S7: You're always open to what he wants to do in you.
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  S7: I remember praying one time with a group of people,
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  S7: and we prayed all over the world. And then at
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  S7: the end of the meeting, the person said, let's all
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  S7: get on our knees and say, God, we're willing to
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  S7: do anything he want us to do to be an
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  S7: answer to these prayers. You know, as we let him
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  S7: work in us, he can do a fresh, glorious work
• 32:34
  S7: if he. He teaches us how to pray.
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  S4: Yeah. Doctor Bill Thrasher, our guest this morning, the book
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  S4: How to Resurrect a Dead Prayer Life Transforming Your Prayers
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  S4: into a spirit empowered, life giving adventure. That's what you want.
• 32:46
  S4: That's what I want. Coming up, how can you use
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  S4: the things that maybe cause you to be worried or
• 32:52
  S4: anxious or even persistent temptations? An area where you feel
• 32:55
  S4: like maybe you've given in to sin and it keeps
• 32:58
  S4: coming up and you feel like, can I really pray
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  S4: for that again? How can that actually help your prayer life?
• 33:05
  S4: I'll ask doctor Bill Thrasher that coming up.
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  S1: Want to hear that again. Just download the Carl and
• 33:10
  S1: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
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  S4: Well, if you have something that you've been praying about
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  S4: for a long time, maybe it's an area of temptation
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  S4: or an area where you have compromised or fallen into sin,
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  S4: and you keep going back to God with the same
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  S4: thing over and over again. There reaches a point where
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  S4: you may be tempted to stop, to stop praying about
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  S4: it altogether. The shame, the discouragement sets in, and you
• 33:35
  S4: stop talking to God. Has that ever happened to you?
• 33:38
  S4: Doctor Bill Thrasher with us this morning on this important
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  S4: topic of sticking with it, sticking with prayer. When you
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  S4: feel like giving up, how can persistent temptations or even
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  S4: failure aid us in our prayers for ourselves, but also
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  S4: intercession for others?
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  S7: Well, you know, I think it can become the power
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  S7: of your prayer life. What makes the temptation of temptation
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  S7: is what it appeals to. A legitimate need to meet
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  S7: it in an unrighteous way. And sometimes we can develop
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  S7: almost a reflex, wrong reflex reaction or whatever. And so
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  S7: let's talk about persistent temptations. This principle here has helped
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  S7: me the last 40 years, every day of my life.
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  S7: And continually it's this. This dear man was leading a
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  S7: number of people from hard backgrounds to the Lord. He says,
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  S7: now that you've come to Christ, you're going to be
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  S7: tempted to go back to some of those wrong choices.
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  S7: And he says, here's what I want you to do.
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  S7: I want you to go to God and ask him
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  S7: to give you a prayer request, a prayer burden that
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  S7: every time you're tempted to go back to that wrong choice,
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  S7: I want you to take it as a prompting to
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  S7: pray for this. He says. Let it be a request
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  S7: that damages Satan Kingdom as God answers that. And, uh,
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  S7: I developed the reflex that my temptations are to turn
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  S7: me into conversations with God. You'll speak to God from
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  S7: your heart when you talk to him about your temptations.
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  S7: You walk in the light with that, but also this
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  S7: idea of taking your temptations and praying for others. You'll
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  S7: get tired of saying no if you're not saying yes
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  S7: to something else. And I just know in those situations,
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  S7: I pray with compassion for people, and I feel with people,
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  S7: it's not like, God, I've got it together. Now. Would
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  S7: you whip these people into shape? It's like God gives
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  S7: me a compassion and and many times when I'm about
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  S7: to have a ministry, God puts me through a real period.
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  S7: And I think that prepares me as I pray for
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  S7: the people that I'm about to minister to. I feel
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  S7: with them so it. Don't look at your temptation, as
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  S7: one person says, like it's a a wolf that you
• 35:27
  S7: need to cage up. It's a seeing eye dog to
• 35:30
  S7: lead you to Jesus. Your temptations lead you to Jesus.
• 35:33
  S7: It shows you your need for him. It shows you
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  S7: that what? Apart from him, I can do nothing. Lord,
• 35:38
  S7: if I have my own way, I will respond wrong.
• 35:40
  S7: God meets us in our struggle. Yes. If he's not there,
• 35:43
  S7: he's not relevant anywhere. You can come boldly to that
• 35:46
  S7: throne of grace and come boldly needs to come with freedom.
• 35:49
  S7: And that's good news.
• 35:51
  S4: And we know that because of Scripture, that the Holy
• 35:53
  S4: Spirit will help us when we don't know how to pray.
• 35:56
  S4: How how does that work? How have you seen that
• 35:59
  S4: work in your own life?
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  S7: Well, that's a beautiful thing. You know, the idea that
• 36:03
  S7: he says in Romans eight, the Holy Spirit helps us
• 36:05
  S7: in our weakness. The next phrase explains what he means
• 36:08
  S7: by weakness. But we don't know how to pray as
• 36:10
  S7: we ought. There are times in our life we don't
• 36:12
  S7: know how to pray as we are. You know, you
• 36:14
  S7: can be around the church for a while, and we've
• 36:16
  S7: got a prayer that we'll lay on you on any occasion.
• 36:18
  S7: You know we've got one. But I remember this dear student.
• 36:21
  S7: I had left a very lucrative career in chemical engineering.
• 36:24
  S7: And he came and he was an incredible prayer warrior.
• 36:27
  S7: He was doing a pastoral internship. He went to visit
• 36:29
  S7: somebody in the hospital. Their health was deteriorating. And and
• 36:32
  S7: they were angry. And they said, I don't want you
• 36:35
  S7: to come to see me. I didn't ask you to come.
• 36:37
  S7: And so he said, well, can I pray with you?
• 36:39
  S7: I don't care if you pray for me or not.
• 36:41
  S7: And so he said, well, let me pray. He said
• 36:42
  S7: he went to pray for her and he just began
• 36:44
  S7: crying like a baby. And he came to me as
• 36:47
  S7: if he was a total failure. Hey, I'm 50 years old.
• 36:49
  S7: I'm getting a master's degree, and all I can do
• 36:51
  S7: is go to somebody and cry like a baby. But,
• 36:54
  S7: you know, he went back the next time. I mean,
• 36:56
  S7: that guy was an incredible prayer warrior. I could tell
• 36:58
  S7: you stories for hours of how God used his prayers. But,
• 37:01
  S7: you know, there there was such authenticity and she began
• 37:05
  S7: to open her heart. God dealt with her bitterness. Her
• 37:07
  S7: health began to improve. He could have professionalized that moment
• 37:10
  S7: and destroyed the effectiveness of it. And so there are
• 37:13
  S7: times we don't know how to pray. As we all see.
• 37:15
  S7: Sometimes there is a deeper desire beneath our desire. When
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  S7: Paul prayed, Lord, remove this thorn in the flesh. That
• 37:22
  S7: was a strong desire. But underneath that was God. I
• 37:25
  S7: want to be the most fruitful. I want to know
• 37:28
  S7: your grace and your power. The possible extent. So God
• 37:30
  S7: did not answer his desire in order to give him
• 37:33
  S7: a deeper desire. And sometimes we're not in touch with
• 37:36
  S7: that deeper desire. And that's what the Holy Spirit wants
• 37:38
  S7: to do. Now he can guide us and pray our hearts.
• 37:41
  S7: But sometimes when we don't know how to pray our hearts,
• 37:43
  S7: he prays our hearts for us. And that's wonderful news.
• 37:46
  S4: Doctor Bill Thrasher, our guest. Such a great conversation. If
• 37:49
  S4: you want more text, pray to 805 557898. I believe
• 37:55
  S4: this is going to be a real help for you.
• 37:57
  S4: Just text pray to 805 557898.
• 38:01
  S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
• 38:04
  S1: God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in
• 38:08
  S1: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 38:14
  S8: What's the worst advice you've ever been given. Worst advice? Super.
• 38:24
  S4: I didn't see that one coming. If someone told you, hey,
• 38:30
  S4: this is a great idea, go for it. Definitely do this.
• 38:35
  S4: Don't do this.
• 38:37
  S6: Um.
• 38:38
  S4: Tell me. Text me. What is the worst advice you've
• 38:43
  S4: ever been given? 805. 557898. 805 557898. Remember being a
• 38:54
  S4: college freshman, that is not a year that is historically
• 38:59
  S4: known for fantastic decision making.
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  S6: Correct?
• 39:02
  S5: Usually one of the worst.
• 39:04
  S4: Yes. And so I made the mistake of going to
• 39:09
  S4: I was on a volleyball team. I was going to
• 39:11
  S4: school out of state. And there was a girl on
• 39:14
  S4: the team who was much older. So I was I
• 39:16
  S4: was really young. I was 17 years old my freshman
• 39:19
  S4: year in college.
• 39:20
  S5: Okay.
• 39:21
  S4: She was like a 17th year senior. So she was probably,
• 39:26
  S4: I mean, the age gap. She was probably 22 or 23.
• 39:29
  S5: Okay. Yeah.
• 39:29
  S4: So good.
• 39:30
  S5: So good age.
• 39:31
  S4: Gap.
• 39:31
  S6: Huge difference in that age.
• 39:32
  S4: I won't get into the details around what I asked
• 39:34
  S4: her advice for, but it was life stuff and I
• 39:38
  S4: wanted to make a decision that wasn't going to be
• 39:40
  S4: a great decision, and anybody should have been able to
• 39:44
  S4: tell me, hey, this is a bad idea. But I
• 39:46
  S4: went to her and she was like, it's a great idea.
• 39:49
  S4: I think this is a really good idea. And in fact,
• 39:52
  S4: you're going to school here, so nobody back home has
• 39:56
  S4: to know at all, which is even better. So she's
• 40:00
  S4: basically telling me to go for this thing. That was
• 40:04
  S4: a terrible idea, and then telling me how I can
• 40:07
  S4: lie about it so that nobody in my family or
• 40:10
  S4: like friends back home would ever find out. So you
• 40:13
  S4: are totally in the clear. You are were out of state.
• 40:15
  S4: Go for it. Nobody will ever know. Oh, I'm so
• 40:18
  S4: grateful that I did not take that advice. I was
• 40:22
  S4: tempted to. Because in my 17 year old, far from
• 40:26
  S4: the Lord mindset. What. What could go wrong? About a
• 40:33
  S4: million things. Praise God he kept me from taking her
• 40:35
  S4: horrible advice.
• 40:37
  S5: Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I the only I can
• 40:40
  S5: think of the worst advice I ever gave.
• 40:42
  S4: Oh, okay. We'll take that.
• 40:44
  S5: Uh, you know, so this was back when I still
• 40:47
  S5: had the illusion of salvation. Uh, one of my buddies
• 40:51
  S5: from high school did also, uh, and we were driving
• 40:56
  S5: in the car and talking and, and he, he was
• 41:00
  S5: opening up and he was kind of like, I just
• 41:03
  S5: don't know where I'm at with Jesus.
• 41:06
  S4: Oh, boy.
• 41:07
  S5: And, and I said, well, like you, you believe, right?
• 41:14
  S5: And he goes, yeah, I believe. And I said, great,
• 41:18
  S5: then you don't have to worry about anything. And then
• 41:22
  S5: I found a real relationship with Jesus. And I was like, oh,
• 41:26
  S5: real belief causes us to follow and repent and change
• 41:29
  S5: our lives. And yes, he takes all of it. I
• 41:31
  S5: don't do anything. I'm not responsible and don't earn anything.
• 41:35
  S5: But I am called to follow just as much as
• 41:38
  S5: I'm called to believe, more so than I'm called to
• 41:40
  S5: believe him. And after I came to a real a
• 41:43
  S5: real relationship with Jesus, he actually did as well. And
• 41:46
  S5: we talked and I apologized and I said, hey, I
• 41:49
  S5: gave you some really bad advice back then. And I said,
• 41:51
  S5: I was also in a bad spot. And, uh, and
• 41:54
  S5: he said, it's all good. And we're thankfully we're both
• 41:57
  S5: with Jesus. But, but yeah, it was I gave some
• 41:59
  S5: bad advice there.
• 42:00
  S4: Wow, wow. That's honest. Thank you for sharing that. Uh,
• 42:04
  S4: a couple of text messages that came in. Worst advice ever.
• 42:08
  S4: Follow your heart, they said, wish I would have known
• 42:11
  S4: to follow the Lord. Guided by His word, truth and
• 42:14
  S4: purpose for my life.
• 42:16
  S5: Yes, our heart will tell us to do some pretty
• 42:18
  S5: stupid stuff.
• 42:18
  S4: There's another. This is a painful piece of bad advice.
• 42:22
  S4: This person said the. You should get a divorce. You
• 42:25
  S4: deserve to be happy. The kids will understand.
• 42:28
  S5: Oh yeah. Bad advice.
• 42:31
  S4: Bad advice. File for bankruptcy. This person said another piece
• 42:35
  S4: of bad advice. Eat whatever you want. Yeah, that.
• 42:40
  S5: Bad.
• 42:41
  S4: Advice. Sideways.
• 42:42
  S6: Yeah.
• 42:44
  S4: Okay. This is another one. When I was young, the
• 42:47
  S4: motto in my neighborhood was to get rich or die trying. Yeah.
• 42:51
  S4: Sometimes advice may be, even if not explicitly stated, is
• 42:54
  S4: sort of implied.
• 42:55
  S5: Yeah. It's lived.
• 42:56
  S4: This is this is the way that you go. I mean,
• 42:58
  S4: there's so many kind of unspoken codes.
• 43:01
  S6: Oh, yeah. Do before somebody does to you. Yeah. That
• 43:04
  S6: was a big one when I was growing up. Do
• 43:06
  S6: before they do to you.
• 43:07
  S4: Interesting.
• 43:08
  S6: Mhm.
• 43:09
  S4: Bad advice. Another one. I was driving in a group.
• 43:13
  S4: An officer pulled behind us with his lights on and
• 43:16
  S4: my sister said, don't pull over. Yeah, that's bad advice.
• 43:19
  S5: Oh my goodness.
• 43:20
  S8: That is really bad advice, sister.
• 43:22
  S6: Wait a minute. Oh.
• 43:26
  S4: Man. Bad advice can get you so far down the
• 43:30
  S4: wrong path.
• 43:31
  S5: Relationships.
• 43:33
  S6: Oh, man.
• 43:34
  S4: And the problem is, you don't. If you're not careful,
• 43:38
  S4: you don't. You don't know that it's bad advice until
• 43:40
  S4: after you've taken it.
• 43:41
  S5: Oh, yeah? Well, I was gonna say you wouldn't take
• 43:43
  S5: it if you thought it was bad, right?
• 43:45
  S4: You, you you go a path because maybe somebody told
• 43:49
  S4: you that's what you were supposed to do. Right. And
• 43:51
  S4: then you get down the road and realize, wait a second.
• 43:54
  S5: I made a mistake.
• 43:55
  S4: I made a mistake.
• 43:56
  S6: Yeah. What filter did they. What filter did I run
• 43:59
  S6: that advice through? Or did I even run it through
• 44:02
  S6: a filter? You know what I mean? It's like, wait
• 44:04
  S6: a minute.
• 44:05
  S4: Keep them coming. Keep your texts coming on this one.
• 44:07
  S4: We'll take a couple more. Uh, what is that? bad
• 44:10
  S4: advice that you've got? Maybe you took it and regretted it.
• 44:14
  S4: Maybe by God's grace, you didn't take it. Worst advice
• 44:17
  S4: you've ever been given. 805. Five. Five. 78. 98. Another one.
• 44:23
  S4: Do what makes you happy. That one you got to
• 44:26
  S4: be careful of, too. We'll talk more about that coming up.
• 44:29
  S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 44:33
  S4: Well, some advice is so obviously bad that only. Man,
• 44:38
  S4: you go. Nobody would take that.
• 44:41
  S5: Sure.
• 44:41
  S4: But.
• 44:42
  S5: But you'd be surprised.
• 44:43
  S4: You'd be surprised. But so often now, really bad advice
• 44:47
  S4: is very nicely packaged. So the messaging around self-empowerment Self-encouragement self-esteem.
• 44:56
  S4: Notice a common theme here of self. Self at the center? Yeah.
• 45:00
  S4: And so here's what happens is a lot of people
• 45:02
  S4: are turning to AI chats for advice. So a lot
• 45:08
  S4: of people use it for kind of like a search engine, like.
• 45:12
  S6: Pretty much.
• 45:13
  S4: Yes. Tell me the best place to get a new
• 45:15
  S4: lawn mower in the Chicago area.
• 45:18
  S5: A great price.
• 45:19
  S4: You could probably come up with a couple of good answers.
• 45:22
  S4: But when you start asking questions like, I am struggling
• 45:26
  S4: in my relationship and I need you to tell me
• 45:30
  S4: what are the things that I should do to try
• 45:32
  S4: to fix my marriage or my friendship, or I'm struggling
• 45:37
  S4: with depression. And heartbreakingly, we've seen high profile stories in
• 45:42
  S4: the news of how AI has been utilized in an
• 45:46
  S4: incredibly evil and destructive way, with tragic consequences. And I
• 45:50
  S4: won't get into that. But I think you have heard
• 45:53
  S4: those stories as I have. So the problem with AI
• 45:58
  S4: is that it's packaged really nicely. It's easy to pick
• 46:03
  S4: up your device and to anonymously ask a question and
• 46:08
  S4: get a voice that responds to you, no doubt. And
• 46:11
  S4: it's usually affirming. Hey, great question. Glad you asked.
• 46:14
  S5: You're so smart.
• 46:16
  S4: You deserve to be happy. This is.
• 46:18
  S6: Oh yeah.
• 46:19
  S4: And then outlining in what seems like really grounded, well
• 46:24
  S4: thought through.
• 46:25
  S5: Sure. It looks like it looks like getting a really
• 46:29
  S5: encouraging text from a nice friend.
• 46:31
  S4: Because there's a worldview behind it and it's a godless one, right?
• 46:36
  S5: Yes.
• 46:37
  S4: So coming up, I want to introduce you to a
• 46:40
  S4: new tool that is available that I think is really exciting,
• 46:44
  S4: knowing that people are going to these AI chats to
• 46:47
  S4: try to get answers to from the mundane to life's deepest,
• 46:52
  S4: all the way to life's deepest questions. What if there
• 46:54
  S4: was a way that you could guarantee that the AI
• 46:57
  S4: response was actually grounded in Scripture that eliminated all of
• 47:02
  S4: the other nonsense that could actually Destroy and gave biblically grounded,
• 47:10
  S4: theologically sound and actually rooted in counseling principles. A new
• 47:16
  S4: tool available, I think is going to be great, particularly
• 47:19
  S4: for the church to utilize. I'll tell you about it
• 47:21
  S4: coming up.
• 47:22
  S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
• 47:27
  S6: Who do you.
• 47:28
  S4: Go to to ask some of those deep life questions?
• 47:32
  S4: Maybe you go to a pastor. Maybe you wake up
• 47:35
  S4: in the middle of the night with questions that beg answers,
• 47:38
  S4: and you don't want to pick up the phone. In fact,
• 47:40
  S4: maybe you're not even comfortable asking a person. So many
• 47:44
  S4: people are turning to AI to try to get some answers.
• 47:48
  S4: There's two ways that you could respond to this. You
• 47:51
  S4: could feel like, no way. We don't want to be
• 47:53
  S4: turning to AI to get some of those questions answered.
• 47:57
  S4: But what if there was a safe and more? Let's
• 48:01
  S4: see responsible way to interact. Special guests with us this morning,
• 48:06
  S4: doctor Eric Scalise. He's the president and chief strategy officer
• 48:09
  S4: for Hope for the heart. It's an international counseling ministry. Now,
• 48:13
  S4: this is very, very exciting. Now, this is a biblical
• 48:17
  S4: counseling ministry, hope for the heart that was founded by
• 48:19
  S4: June Hunt. But there's something that new that you are offering,
• 48:23
  S4: partnering with pray.com to build the first AI platform grounded
• 48:27
  S4: entirely on Scripture. Please explain. Give me the high points
• 48:31
  S4: of this, because you can explain it far better than
• 48:33
  S4: I can.
• 48:34
  S9: We are partnering with pray.com and many of your listeners,
• 48:39
  S9: they may know it's a fairly large media platform that
• 48:43
  S9: hosts radio programs and podcasts and other kinds of content,
• 48:47
  S9: and they're moving into the AI world, as many are.
• 48:52
  S9: And I'll just say, this AI is here and it's
• 48:55
  S9: not going away. And like other new technologies, when they
• 48:59
  S9: arrive on the scene, it's always interesting to me. Sometimes
• 49:03
  S9: people of faith are a little suspicious. And is this
• 49:07
  S9: can this be used for evil? And the answers are sure, absolutely.
• 49:10
  S9: But it can also be used for good. Are there
• 49:13
  S9: radio broadcasts that are ungodly? You bet. Are there ones
• 49:16
  S9: just like this show, uh, that honor Christ? You bet.
• 49:20
  S9: And so we just have to be wise about it.
• 49:23
  S9: And that's what we've done with pray.com. These open systems
• 49:29
  S9: basically troll the entire internet universe to get their information
• 49:34
  S9: and data in terms of responding to people, that's potentially dangerous.
• 49:40
  S9: And you can get all kinds of unbiblical feedback in
• 49:45
  S9: council in the mental health space. I don't know if
• 49:47
  S9: you heard about a couple of these cases, but people
• 49:50
  S9: were using AI to ask about some pretty serious life
• 49:55
  S9: challenges people were going through. And in a couple of cases,
• 50:00
  S9: it resulted in an actual suicide of the person using it.
• 50:04
  S9: So people rightly raised some alarms. And what we did
• 50:10
  S9: with prey.com was we created what's called a closed system.
• 50:15
  S9: Therein lies the a little bit of the wisdom and
• 50:18
  S9: the safety in that world.
• 50:20
  S4: We have Doctor Eric Scalise with us this morning. He's
• 50:22
  S4: president and chief strategy officer for Hope for the heart. Okay,
• 50:26
  S4: so this AI platform is built on the ministry's keys
• 50:30
  S4: for living library. So there are 108 life topics that
• 50:37
  S4: someone could ask about. Give me some examples of how
• 50:40
  S4: this can be utilized.
• 50:42
  S9: It is a pretty extensive library. I've been in the oh,
• 50:46
  S9: let's call it the People Helping World Mental Health space
• 50:49
  S9: for 46 years now. And I like to say I
• 50:53
  S9: started when I was seven, but that wouldn't exactly be true.
• 50:56
  S9: But I've never seen such a comprehensive resource topically that
• 51:03
  S9: covers almost every life challenge you can imagine, but it's combined.
• 51:08
  S9: Not only is it professionally informed, it's combined with biblical integration.
• 51:13
  S9: It's a trusted resource for people of faith. And so
• 51:17
  S9: we we tackle some pretty serious topics like suicide, depression, anxiety,
• 51:23
  S9: domestic violence, childhood sexual abuse. But then others like forgiveness, hope, worry, anger.
• 51:31
  S9: And so there's something in there for everybody. What I
• 51:35
  S9: did is I, in essence, gave pray.com our entire library.
• 51:40
  S9: It's probably over 15,000 pages of biblically, professionally informed resource.
• 51:48
  S9: So I imagine for a minute if you and I
• 51:51
  S9: were talking and you said, hey, do you have anything
• 51:53
  S9: on anxiety? I might be having a panic attack every
• 51:56
  S9: now and then. And imagine if I handed you 108
• 51:59
  S9: books and I said, somewhere in this 15000 pages, I'm
• 52:04
  S9: pretty sure there's some help for you. Well, okay. But
• 52:08
  S9: then it's on you to cull through all that material
• 52:11
  S9: and find what you do, what the AI platform does with.
• 52:15
  S9: In the partnership with pray.com, it queries the entire resource
• 52:20
  S9: base and within seconds it gives you relevant information, feedback,
• 52:27
  S9: and support in that area. So it doesn't draw from
• 52:29
  S9: the internet world. It only draws from that repository that
• 52:34
  S9: we gave them.
• 52:35
  S4: Now, why is this such a game changer? I mean,
• 52:38
  S4: there are many people who maybe could benefit from a
• 52:42
  S4: help with counseling and would definitely could use pastoral support,
• 52:47
  S4: but maybe our there's some shame and stigma. I mean,
• 52:50
  S4: is that what this seeks to remove?
• 52:52
  S9: Huge. There is so much shame and guilt associated with
• 52:58
  S9: many things that people wrestle with. You know, how many
• 53:01
  S9: times do people come up and say, hey, I'd like
• 53:04
  S9: to talk to you about my pornography addiction, or I'm
• 53:07
  S9: really wrestling with using cocaine or I'm being bullied or I,
• 53:11
  S9: I was sexually abused and I don't know what to
• 53:14
  S9: do with that. So there is quite a bit of stigmatization.
• 53:18
  S9: And the church capital C has historically not done a
• 53:23
  S9: great job in that department. I think it's changing. I
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  S9: think that's one of the factors. I think other factors
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  S9: are young people are used to text and screens and stuff.
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  S9: And I think part of this came out of sort
• 53:39
  S9: of the post Covid environment. I know we're a little
• 53:42
  S9: bit past Covid now, but for 1 to 2 years
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  S9: we were isolated, especially our young people. There was no
• 53:49
  S9: face to face stuff. We all learned to connect, you know,
• 53:52
  S9: through other media forms, Zoom in particular, right? And so
• 53:56
  S9: the fact that people gravitate to those formats now. It
• 54:01
  S9: shouldn't surprise us, but I will say this. AI is
• 54:05
  S9: not a substitute for face to face relational support and care.
• 54:11
  S9: We were created for relationship through relationship and in relationship,
• 54:17
  S9: and we have to be mindful of that. It's a tool.
• 54:20
  S9: It can help people get started, but it shouldn't be
• 54:23
  S9: a replacement.
• 54:24
  S4: Yeah. So we're featuring today this Hope for the heart
• 54:27
  S4: AI chat. Now this is the first resource of its
• 54:29
  S4: kind to offer AI powered guidance that's rooted entirely in
• 54:34
  S4: Scripture and decades of professional biblical counseling. Talk about how
• 54:38
  S4: churches can utilize this because, as you mentioned, people need people.
• 54:43
  S4: That has always been God's way. How can the church
• 54:46
  S4: use this as a tool in their toolbox?
• 54:49
  S9: They can simply go to the pray.com site. They have
• 54:53
  S9: a number of chat links, but it's also on our website.
• 54:57
  S9: And we, you know, you train AI. It's not always intuitive.
• 55:00
  S9: You shape it, you train it. And so we've made
• 55:03
  S9: sure we're always pointing people to higher levels of support
• 55:07
  S9: and care if they need it to. National hotlines like suicide,
• 55:11
  S9: runaway drug hotlines, and how to call 911, how to engage.
• 55:17
  S9: And perhaps they need to connect with their pastor or
• 55:20
  S9: a licensed mental health clinician. So it points people to
• 55:25
  S9: additional levels of support and care. The important thing, though,
• 55:29
  S9: and the reason we're doing it, is because I think
• 55:32
  S9: we have to go to where people are. Jesus didn't
• 55:36
  S9: wait for the lost and the sick and others always
• 55:41
  S9: to come to him. He went to where they were.
• 55:43
  S9: You have to connect with someone before you can take
• 55:46
  S9: them anywhere.
• 55:47
  S4: Doctor Eric Scalise with us this morning. Is this already
• 55:50
  S4: out and available? Is it in the development stages? What
• 55:53
  S4: kind of feedback are you getting so far?
• 55:55
  S9: Uh, we spent a good chunk of last year in
• 55:58
  S9: the development side of it. We launched it some months ago,
• 56:03
  S9: and literally thousands of people are utilizing this tool right now,
• 56:08
  S9: so it's available.
• 56:09
  S4: You can text chat to 800 555 7898. Exciting new resource.
• 56:15
  S4: I want you to check it out, just text chat
• 56:18
  S4: to 805 557898.
• 56:22
  S1: A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Ali is
• 56:26
  S1: in the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio
• 56:31
  S1: making herself laugh no matter who joins her. It's time
• 56:35
  S1: for Ali thinks it's funny.
• 56:40
  S4: Got a bit of a math joke for you here
• 56:42
  S4: on this Wednesday. I you know, I never like to
• 56:46
  S4: set it up this way, but this is one of
• 56:48
  S4: those ones that I kind of wish Carl was here
• 56:50
  S4: because I'm just not sure.
• 56:52
  S5: Are you worried it's going to go over my head?
• 56:54
  S6: He's your number one supporter.
• 56:55
  S4: Over your head. I'm just worried that I'm worried that
• 56:58
  S4: this 1st May not be like a super die young
• 57:01
  S4: thunder special. And so. But I'm gonna because these jokes
• 57:06
  S4: are ultimately all about me.
• 57:08
  S5: I was gonna say, talk about staying ready. Ali, you
• 57:09
  S5: knew Carl wasn't here today.
• 57:11
  S6: I know.
• 57:12
  S4: I know, so maybe I don't.
• 57:13
  S6: Feel good right now. Jonathan. I feel like, okay, well.
• 57:17
  S4: Okay. So as, as per my usual, occasionally I have
• 57:20
  S4: a little, a little story to lead up to the jokes.
• 57:23
  S6: Okay.
• 57:23
  S4: Anyone like to do a match making you got a
• 57:26
  S4: friend over here and a friend, you meet this person
• 57:29
  S4: over here and you're like, boy, I would love for
• 57:32
  S4: you two to meet. Do you ever do you ever, uh,
• 57:34
  S4: you ever do a little matchmaking?
• 57:36
  S5: No, I've never done matchmaking.
• 57:37
  S6: Never.
• 57:38
  S5: I had that feeling one time at at my wife
• 57:41
  S5: and I's wedding. We looked at at a couple friends
• 57:44
  S5: and we were like, hey, that's that's a, that would
• 57:46
  S5: be a good couple right there. We never tried. And
• 57:49
  S5: then and then it was kind of, oh, and I've
• 57:51
  S5: never done it. No.
• 57:51
  S6: Okay.
• 57:52
  S4: Well, I have a couple of friends. And remember, this
• 57:54
  S4: is a math joke. I got a couple of friends.
• 57:58
  S4: I got parallel line number one over here. Great. Great girl.
• 58:04
  S4: Just kind works really hard. And then Mr. Parallel Line
• 58:08
  S4: over here. They have so much in common. It's a
• 58:12
  S4: shame they'll never meet.
• 58:15
  S6: I knew exactly.
• 58:17
  S4: See, I knew, I knew that the math one wasn't, like,
• 58:21
  S4: super nice. Stretch a stretch. No, it's a parallel line.
• 58:25
  S4: Stop it! And they'll never.
• 58:26
  S6: Delivery, though, because parallel lines.
• 58:29
  S5: No, I get it.
• 58:30
  S4: They never meet.
• 58:30
  S5: Never meet. Who? Understand?
• 58:32
  S4: Okay, well let's try.
• 58:33
  S6: Let's try another way. Next.
• 58:35
  S4: So I bought a new 4 in 1 printer at
• 58:38
  S4: Costco recently. Yeah, those things are great. They can do
• 58:42
  S4: a little bit of everything. Did I run out of music?
• 58:43
  S6: You did.
• 58:44
  S4: Fire it up again.
• 58:44
  S5: Okay. On it. Give me a second. You gotta wait
• 58:47
  S5: for it to.
• 58:47
  S4: Then I'm like, wait, I was talking too long. Thank you.
• 58:51
  S4: You're welcome. So my new 4 in 1 printer, I
• 58:53
  S4: had it in the back seat and bought it from Costco,
• 58:55
  S4: and I guess that I didn't make a full stop
• 58:58
  S4: at the stop sign, so I got pulled over driving home.
• 59:02
  S5: Oh no.
• 59:03
  S4: Not happy about this, so but I did. I asked
• 59:06
  S4: the police officer, I said, I got this new 4
• 59:08
  S4: in 1 printer. Would you like to see all the
• 59:10
  S4: cool features? He looked at me and he said, just
• 59:13
  S4: the facts, ma'am.
• 59:22
  S10: Ladies and gentlemen.
• 59:22
  S4: What?
• 59:23
  S5: Come on.
• 59:24
  S4: Just the facts.
• 59:25
  S5: I see, I know. No, I don't know. I don't
• 59:28
  S5: know what that is.
• 59:29
  S4: You don't know what a fax?
• 59:30
  S5: No, I know what a fax is, but, like, just
• 59:33
  S5: the facts.
• 59:34
  S4: No, just the facts. It's a 4 in 1 printer.
• 59:38
  S5: Okay.
• 59:38
  S4: Fax. Fax.
• 59:40
  S11: Didn't want the details.
• 59:41
  S5: I was overthinking it.
• 59:44
  S4: Jonathan.
• 59:44
  S5: I thought. Okay, listen.
• 59:46
  S4: So you you didn't get the facts?
• 59:47
  S5: No. Okay. And this one, this actually. Because usually, sometimes
• 59:51
  S5: what you tell me to grab, like the audio clip
• 59:53
  S5: that you tell me to grab. Right will give me
• 59:56
  S5: some insight as to what you're doing.
• 59:58
  S4: This was a dead giveaway.
• 59:59
  S5: And I thought that this was some quote from this show, Dragnet.
• 1:00:04
  S4: It is just the facts, ma'am.
• 1:00:05
  S5: Okay. I don't know that because it's from the 50s.
• 1:00:09
  S4: Text jokes to 800 555, 78, 98. My apologies on
• 1:00:14
  S4: behalf of all that I know for this one. Text
• 1:00:17
  S4: jokes to 805 557898.
• 1:00:20
  S5: Sorry. You told your 75 year old joke to a
• 1:00:23
  S5: 30 year old.
• 1:00:23
  S4: But do you think I'm 75? Yeah, you're you're I.
• 1:00:28
  S11: Would stop Jonathan while you had fun digging a bit. No.
• 1:00:34
  S4: Now, was I a ten year old who loved Nick
• 1:00:37
  S4: at Nite? There we go. That's. Yes. TV land. So. Dragnet. Yes. Text.
• 1:00:42
  S4: Text jokes to 805 5578, 98. You got it. Text
• 1:00:48
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