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Heading South: Baez, Greene, Torres Voted American League All-Star Game Starters · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome in another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network as Try Tiger's podcast. I'm Kiri
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Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always a man who ain't got
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Speaker 1: time for Sophie Cunningham's BS. How you doing facts?
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Speaker 2: Facts? Look?
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Speaker 3: Can you from somewhere else you can say that, But
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Speaker 3: if you're in Indianapolis, like I just I just don't
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Speaker 3: think you should be saying that.
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Speaker 1: Come on, come on, Hay, got no time? Uh what
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Speaker 1: we do have time for Cody And we are recording
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Speaker 1: this for the record. We are recording this while the
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Speaker 1: second half of the doubleheader is going on. We are
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Speaker 1: instantly reacting to the Tigers in historic achievement, like for
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Speaker 1: the franchise really having three all star starters that would
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Speaker 1: be Labor Torres, that would be Riley Green, and that
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Speaker 1: would be Hobby hop He's obvitill further notice Cody, Hobby
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Speaker 1: Baia's name starters on the American League squad man. That's crazy,
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Speaker 1: That is just crazy to think about. Like we've been
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Speaker 1: doing this podcast since AJ Hench got to the Tigers,
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Speaker 1: and I went and looked at the twenty twenty one
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Speaker 1: roster earlier today just for some perspective, And here we
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Speaker 1: are now talking about a Tigers team that could have
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Speaker 1: could have more than one third of the starting lineup
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Speaker 1: in the All Star Game as a representing the team.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy?
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Speaker 2: Some wild stuff.
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Speaker 3: It is only the fourth time in franchise history the
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Speaker 3: Tigers have had three fan elected starters. The other times
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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four, that was a pretty good year, nineteen
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Speaker 3: eighty five, and two thousand and seven, So two of
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Speaker 3: those are coming off World Series seasons. If I would
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Speaker 3: have told you what, let's say July last year, Hobby
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Speaker 3: bia is going to start the All Star Game and
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Speaker 3: Hobby Bida is going to start the All Star Game
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Speaker 3: in center field, what what would you have said?
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Speaker 1: Uh? I would have said, hey, man, maybe those recreational
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Speaker 1: drug laws need to be clamped down a little bit.
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Speaker 1: That would probably be That would probably be my reaction,
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Speaker 1: especially the center field piece. Uh. And then also I
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Speaker 1: would have assumed that there was some sort of special
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Speaker 1: like if I were to think something logically like, oh,
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Speaker 1: are they doing some sort of special event? Obviously this
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Speaker 1: nothing like a Pooholes Cabrera thing, but I would assume
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Speaker 1: there was some sort of commissioners additive for some special
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Speaker 1: reason that I wouldn't.
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Speaker 2: Have hobbies and now hobs.
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Speaker 3: You know, the hip surgery didn't go well and he's
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Speaker 3: announced he's retiring.
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Speaker 1: Right or in response to like a tragedy of some
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Speaker 1: sort like that would have been the only thing like no,
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Speaker 1: like like that would be the only thing that would
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Speaker 1: have been like even at the time, because like people
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Speaker 1: gotta like you gotta know like that. It's not just oh,
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Speaker 1: they thought about day and him, which is like the
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Speaker 1: kind of the national talking point that gets said. It's
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Speaker 1: it's it's that he was in the afterthoughts, afterthought in
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Speaker 1: terms of being able to be actually productive. That's that
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Speaker 1: that that they they were coming into this year one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent planning on having a sense of motive and
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Speaker 1: recently called up Trey Sweeney as the everyday shortstop because
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Speaker 1: they like consistency and upside more than hobby Baiaz And
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Speaker 1: then and again the story we've talked about. I'm trying
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Speaker 1: not to be too repetitive here, but the outfield component
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Speaker 1: of it makes it more fun. The fact that he's
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Speaker 1: now you know, the everyday shortstop. When he gets announced
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Speaker 1: as the outfielder makes it more fun. And then, like
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Speaker 1: I've said over the years, Cody a lot about like
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Speaker 1: the power, and you have two about the power of
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Speaker 1: Hobby bias. And I think it kind of was met
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Speaker 1: with some eye rolls because I get it, like the
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Speaker 1: guy was a negative player for several years here. But
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Speaker 1: on those voting graphics, I don't know if you guys
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Speaker 1: noticed this, it wasn't Riley Green on there, it was
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Speaker 1: Hobby Bias. The marketability of Hobby Bias one won the day,
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Speaker 1: and it coincides with him being like a flat out
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Speaker 1: deserving All Star. Now, I went and looked up several
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Speaker 1: kind of basic summarizing stats for all these guys, and
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Speaker 1: we'll obviously talk about Green and Torres too, But here's
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Speaker 1: something funny. Cody as a center fielder, Hobby Bias batted
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Speaker 1: two ninety four. As a shortstop, he is currently batting
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Speaker 1: three twenty four. It's all the other positions that he
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Speaker 1: can't see the hit, which which is kind of funny.
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Speaker 1: And then also if you go and you look at
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Speaker 1: his month splits because I think even when when it
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Speaker 1: was going well to start the year, you're just like,
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Speaker 1: all right, where's the regression coming? And that would have
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Speaker 1: been the month of May. So in April slash March.
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Speaker 1: He is a near three hundred hitter that goes down
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Speaker 1: the two fifty in May. But June, and I don't
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Speaker 1: think we gave this enough credit. June he batted three
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Speaker 1: oh eight Cody and and and that, and that's combined
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Speaker 1: with like even his down month, which I know that's
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Speaker 1: kind of you know, a couple of games kind of
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Speaker 1: lift at that his down month of May was his
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Speaker 1: most power. He had five home runs in the month
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Speaker 1: of May, right, you know, after only havn't won in
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Speaker 1: the first you know month, plus a couple of days
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Speaker 1: in March. So like the wave is actually not as
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Speaker 1: steep as I think we certainly we were anticipating. And
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Speaker 1: then also with the with the way it played out
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Speaker 1: like this is, this is he has been one of
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Speaker 1: your most valuable and one of your most consistent players
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Speaker 1: while playing at a time, for a time, playing every
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Speaker 1: day and now basically playing every day with a little
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Speaker 1: bit of help here and there. It's true, it's truly remarkable.
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Speaker 1: I think he deserves a ton of credit for we've
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Speaker 1: seen instances this season of All Stars perennial All Stars
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Speaker 1: not taking too kind to a suggestion of a position change.
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Speaker 1: He did that, and he not only did that, he
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Speaker 1: performed remarkably well. He gets rewarded. It's his third career
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Speaker 1: All Star, first time since twenty nineteen. What else can
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Speaker 1: you say? Man, It's one of the more it's one
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Speaker 1: of the more remarkable, unbelievable stories that base I think
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Speaker 1: has happened in baseball period.
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Speaker 4: In the last time, I mean it's it's it's you know,
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Speaker 4: I mean literally this time a year ago, we were saying, like, well,
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Speaker 4: the Tigers have the courage to just eat Hobby Bias's contract.
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Speaker 3: You know, the people are like they're soft if they
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Speaker 3: just don't do it. And and I guess this is
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Speaker 3: one kind of a lesson. Like one reason I don't
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Speaker 3: always love to talk in absolutes on this podcast is
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Speaker 3: because this game kind of tells us time and time again,
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Speaker 3: like you just never know. I certainly would not have
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Speaker 3: seen this coming with Hobby Bias, but like, I don't know,
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Speaker 3: sometimes you can't declare a guy can't do this or
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Speaker 3: a guy can't do that. You know, I've been wrong
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Speaker 3: about these things so many times now. Anytime we talk
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Speaker 3: about a player, it's like, well, the numbers say this.
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Speaker 3: The eye test kind of says this, but you never know.
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Speaker 3: And if it sounds like I talk like that, sometimes
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Speaker 3: this is kind of why. Also, let's look at what
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Speaker 3: the numbers say again, because it's a kind of a
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Speaker 3: fun exercise. Hobby Bias resurrected his career. His barrel rate
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Speaker 3: is worse than last season. His average exit velocity is
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Speaker 3: it was eighty eight point three last year. It's eighty
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Speaker 3: eight point two. This year it is worse. His chase
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Speaker 3: rate was forty three percent last year. It's forty one
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Speaker 3: percent this year. It's not a whole lot better. His
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Speaker 3: walk rate is worse. You can go look at all
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Speaker 3: these numbers, and it's so kind of hard to explain
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Speaker 3: what in the world Hobby Bias is doing. The one
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Speaker 3: thing that does stand out he started hitting the fastball again.
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Speaker 3: He hit below two hundred against fastballs in both twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty three and twenty twenty four. Back in his heyday,
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Speaker 3: Hobby Bias was a fastball killer, and this year he's
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Speaker 3: hitting to eighty one. He has a positive run value.
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Speaker 3: He seems able to be one time, and maybe that's
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Speaker 3: impacting how guys are pitching them. He's seeing a little
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Speaker 3: bit like a lower percentage of sliders. Maybe there's something
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Speaker 3: to that. He's had some good battered ball luck, but
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Speaker 3: he's been able even though the barrel it's not there.
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Speaker 3: He's tapped into the power. That was my big concern
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Speaker 3: entering the year, like maybe he can adjust the swing
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Speaker 3: and hit some more singles. But does this guy still
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Speaker 3: have any pop? Well, we've seen that there's some pop.
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Speaker 2: In there still.
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Speaker 3: I don't have any grand explanation beyond that, but we've
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Speaker 3: talked about it time and time again. Like Hobby's having
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Speaker 3: fun every day, and I think that's probably the coolest part.
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Speaker 3: You can just see a difference in his body language
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Speaker 3: and the way he's playing the game. He's energized. I
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Speaker 3: think he likes being on a winning team, playing in
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Speaker 3: front of some big crowds. And maybe it doesn't hurt
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Speaker 3: having a guy like Labor Torrez as his teammate.
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Speaker 1: coming back here, the Torres piece is is fascinating because
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Speaker 1: that's that's something Cody that with the cliche elements that
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Speaker 1: we kind of lean into, but say, like is this
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Speaker 1: really real?
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Speaker 5: Uh?
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Speaker 1: Having having one of your good buddies maybe has some
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Speaker 1: benefits because Torres is having like a career resurrection, like
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Speaker 1: in a way, like in a way he's having a
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Speaker 1: career resurrection because like this is he he was an
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Speaker 1: All Star twice before this, Right, but this guy stayed
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Speaker 1: on the market for a bit stubborn or principle depending
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Speaker 1: on how you feel about what his what his value
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Speaker 1: and what his position would be, and settled for a
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Speaker 1: one year prove it deal. I because they're well, not
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Speaker 1: all one year deals are create equal and a lot
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Speaker 1: of them end up being like opt out type deals anyway.
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Speaker 1: But like there's nothing, there's not like a lot of
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Speaker 1: precedent for guys that you know, maybe roll out there
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Speaker 1: options and they're like, okay, I'll go here and just
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Speaker 1: kind of figure it out from there. Starting in the
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Speaker 1: All Star game. And I'll also say this, I was
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Speaker 1: almost about to have like I thought we were gonna
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Speaker 1: have a different tone here because they went to break
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Speaker 1: and then they were like big upset coming up American League, and.
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh my christ, how how are
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Speaker 3: we getting a thirty minute Like why is it taking
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Speaker 3: thirty minutes to announce the Alstar? We're getting thirty minutes
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Speaker 3: of TV out of this. I mean, I guess maybe
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Speaker 3: that's is that good for baseball?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I watched. I sat there and watched it.
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Speaker 2: I didn't really enjoy it. I was like, all right,
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Speaker 2: let's get this show on the road.
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Speaker 1: When they went to commercial to do the outfield, I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. But I was like, man,
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Speaker 1: did Jackson Holiday get and look, we love Jackson still
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Speaker 1: Water people. You know this is not anti Jackson, but
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Speaker 1: I was like, did Jackson Holiday pull out this huge upset?
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Speaker 1: And then it turns out it's it's Wilson over over
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Speaker 1: with Junior at shortstop. Anyway, Torres has A has kind
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Speaker 1: of laid the blueprint for what it actually means to
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Speaker 1: bet on yourself in this way because it because like
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Speaker 1: guys that are talented enough to start All Star Games
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Speaker 1: typically aren't like shown the door before the previous season ends,
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Speaker 1: which metaphor is basically what the labor Torres was to
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Speaker 1: the Yankees. They had no interest in bringing him back.
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Speaker 1: They more or less they made that clear the trade deadline,
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Speaker 1: basically with the with the with the Jazz trade. Even
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Speaker 1: though he's playing third base, and then he said he
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Speaker 1: I was supposed to play second base. So anyway, I
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Speaker 1: guess all other teams have positional mishaps as well. Uh So,
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Speaker 1: like Torres has been nothing but a professional hitter. Like
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Speaker 1: it was a little scary when he had that side strain,
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Speaker 1: remember what they technically called it. Uh But he's but
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Speaker 1: he's an everyday guy. He goes about his business. I've
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Speaker 1: been pleasantly surprised with his defense. He has bought in
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Speaker 1: to the base running identity of this team, and he's
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Speaker 1: he the first like position player additive of this regime
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Speaker 1: to be like, we identified this. We can make things work,
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Speaker 1: even if it doesn't seem like it is like a
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Speaker 1: perfect fit initially, we'll be able to make it work
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Speaker 1: because we had this infrastructure. And yeah, and by the way,
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Speaker 1: your your your guy Hobby's gonna be on the team too,
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Speaker 1: and you guys are gonna have a ball.
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Speaker 2: Well again, let's go back in time.
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Speaker 3: Remember when the Tigers signed Glaber tourres it was like
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Speaker 3: no one saw it coming, Number one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no rumors out there. Nope. We thought the Tigers
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Speaker 2: had a second baseman. We thought his name was col Keith.
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Speaker 2: They signed Glaber.
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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, well, I don't you know, I don't
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Speaker 3: hate it because of the offensive profile. He's consistent, he
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Speaker 3: gets on base. But it was like defense is bad,
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Speaker 3: base running's bad. You know, fans were really over them
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Speaker 3: in New York. You know, at the time we didn't
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Speaker 3: know what was going on with Spencer Torklesen. It was like, really,
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Speaker 3: you went with Glaber instead of getting the first basement,
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Speaker 3: and now here we are. Trus having a resurgence season,
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Speaker 3: was in All Star consideration. Himself probably won't get in
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Speaker 3: as a reserve, but certainly borderline certainly worthy of being
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Speaker 3: in that discussion. Labor Tour is far and away the
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Speaker 3: best numbers of any second basement in the American League.
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Speaker 3: And what I really wouldn't have expected, not knowing Labor
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Speaker 3: before this, he has been exactly the guy this team needed.
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Speaker 3: Both from a production standpoint, We've seen that consistency we
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Speaker 3: talked about, and it's been to an even higher degree
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Speaker 3: in terms of his ability to get on base and
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Speaker 3: behind the scenes. From all indications, he's just like a
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Speaker 3: consummant professional, been a positive impact when the likes of
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Speaker 3: Hobby Baia as other teammates, we hear about how vocal
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Speaker 3: he is and hitters meetings sharing his experience. He's professional
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Speaker 3: with the media, just like everything I have observed from
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Speaker 3: Glabor tours is like the consonant professional. Maybe not incredibly outspoken,
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Speaker 3: but you talk about kind of lead by example, kind
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Speaker 3: of that veteran guidance that the Tigers have kind of
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Speaker 3: been searching for for a long time. Like Labor has
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Speaker 3: exemplified that as well as anyone, better than anyone they
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Speaker 3: have brought in here in the past few years. And
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Speaker 3: of course he's backed up with his production on the field.
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Speaker 3: He's been a difference maker to have a right handed
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Speaker 3: bat atop that order who gets on basis a three
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Speaker 3: eighty clip who has a little power. I kind of
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Speaker 3: just like can't emphasize enough how big of an impact
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Speaker 3: Labor Torres has had in multiple facets. So he's very
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Speaker 3: deserving of this that I'll kind of be fascinated to
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Speaker 3: see where it leads for him next in his career.
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Speaker 1: You know what's funny is there's actually also like a
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of under the into the weeds kind
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Speaker 1: of storyline with his time and the Tigers shortly because
16:53
Speaker 1: there was a there was a time where like even
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Speaker 1: though like I assume that the was made with the
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Speaker 1: like understanding you are second base and second base, second
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Speaker 1: and second base third and second base fourth, uh, Like,
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Speaker 1: there were people clamoring to get to for the Tigers
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Speaker 1: to do like the thing that some franchises do where
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, we signed you to I
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Speaker 1: mean we just saw it with another franchise. You signed
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Speaker 1: you for this, but we really we're just gonna do this.
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Speaker 1: We're just gonna put you at third. There are like
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Speaker 1: people clamoring to put them at third in order to
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Speaker 1: make that kind of what they thought at the time
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Speaker 1: was for everything to work. And and that's probably a
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Speaker 1: Torres lesson. There is sometimes like when you like the
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Speaker 1: emotional example would be like try not to be happier
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Speaker 1: than happy, where it's like you have a steady hitting,
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Speaker 1: you know, second baseman who excels at this skill set
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Speaker 1: that you value value and it's not like you were
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Speaker 1: plus defensively last year, and it's not like you were
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Speaker 1: plus defensively planning on this year at second base when uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, we all assume is gonna be cooled Keith.
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Speaker 1: Uh but which to his record, he's still obviously working
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Speaker 1: on his defense. And you have the like the you
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Speaker 1: have a happy veteran who has made this impact. It's
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Speaker 1: like maybe maybe it's it's rather simple. It's rather simple
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Speaker 1: Glabor Torres the like the headline of the offseason, which
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Speaker 1: was kind of like, okay, well that's not much of
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Speaker 1: a headline. And it turns out he's an All Star
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Speaker 1: game starter, So you know, happy for him, happy that here.
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Speaker 1: Like like I think sometimes New York tends it like
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Speaker 1: New York is one of those things where it just
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Speaker 1: exaggerates everything. It exaggerates greatness and exaggerates flaws. And and
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Speaker 1: I think maybe had his career started in another franchise,
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Speaker 1: he would be he would have been well more well regarded,
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Speaker 1: you know, throughout his first part of his career. He
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Speaker 1: has this thing in Detroit and uh, he's the he's
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Speaker 1: the he's the toast of the town when it comes
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Speaker 1: to second sackers in the American League. So really cool
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Speaker 1: for labor torres and a feather in the cap to
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Speaker 1: Scott Harris for identifying that, and then aj for obviously
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Speaker 1: constructing a team and putting, you know, putting guys like
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Speaker 1: him new guys, you know, not guys that grew up
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Speaker 1: in the system or he inherited, putting them in the
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Speaker 1: best position to succeed, which leads us to a guy
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Speaker 1: who is not making his first career All Star appearans.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you caught this, Cody, but when
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Speaker 1: they announced Riley Green the other outfielder, they said first,
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Speaker 1: the graphics said first career All Star appearance. So the
19:36
Speaker 1: Tigers still have yet to net all the respect that
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Speaker 1: they deserve. But Riley Green is your third outfielder, or
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Speaker 1: probably more accurately second outfielder. The voting was thirty three
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Speaker 1: percent of the He got a third between four people
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Speaker 1: of votes to fill a spot in the outfield. Riley
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Speaker 1: Green gets his first career start as an All Star
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Speaker 1: in his second consecutive All Star appearance. He had two
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Speaker 1: home runs today, Cody, but it's the month of July.
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Speaker 1: In the month of June, Riley Green had the basically
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Speaker 1: the career average of Tykov. He had three sixty with
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Speaker 1: a four point with a four hundred four h four
20:19
Speaker 1: on base and a six thirty slug six home runs,
20:25
Speaker 1: nine doubles, still doing his thing defensively, not necessarily preserving
20:29
Speaker 1: his body in left field. But that's a conversation for
20:31
Speaker 1: another day. He has become like the he's become everything
20:37
Speaker 1: and probably exceeded it, because I don't know if anybody
20:39
Speaker 1: would have guessed that he would be starting in the
20:42
Speaker 1: outfield of the American League this soon. But he has
20:45
Speaker 1: become everything that was kind of envisioned for him when
20:48
Speaker 1: he was selected fifth overall in the twenty nineteen draft.
20:53
Speaker 1: That right, twenty nineteen draft, and like I said, two
20:56
Speaker 1: time All Stars starting, he's he is. He's no longer
21:01
Speaker 1: like this cool young player. He's no longer this like, hey,
21:05
Speaker 1: this is a good season. Let's you know, you know,
21:07
Speaker 1: he deserves an All Star dot he is now. As
21:09
Speaker 1: we talked about with Austin a couple of weeks ago,
21:11
Speaker 1: in my opinion, like this is star stuff. Riley Green
21:15
Speaker 1: is like at the very beginning of Star of the
21:19
Speaker 1: path to Star dump. Once they get there, there's All
21:24
Speaker 1: Star Game selections.
21:25
Speaker 3: You're talking about labor tourists here, imagine if Riley Green
21:28
Speaker 3: played in New York, like, oh yeah, he would be
21:31
Speaker 3: pretty famous, you know, like and instead instead we're just
21:37
Speaker 3: now getting there. People are just now catching on to like,
21:39
Speaker 3: oh this is this Green. Guy's pretty good. He's got
21:42
Speaker 3: twenty homers at the break. Yeah, he's pretty good. And
21:44
Speaker 3: to people in Detroit, this is no surprise. This was
21:47
Speaker 3: the best position prospect the Tigers have had in a long, long,
21:53
Speaker 3: long time. And all he has done is live up
21:56
Speaker 3: to every bit of that hype. He deserves for that,
22:00
Speaker 3: for handling the pressure that comes with that, for handling
22:03
Speaker 3: the expectations, for navigating some hard times, not necessarily being
22:10
Speaker 3: a star right away in the major leagues, going through
22:13
Speaker 3: some slumps, going through a slump this year when everyone
22:16
Speaker 3: was like, can you take your game to a higher level?
22:18
Speaker 3: Can you be this MVP vote getter, got off to
22:22
Speaker 3: a tough start, and now he is scorching. You're mentioning
22:27
Speaker 3: him in the same sense as Ty Cobb, because that's
22:32
Speaker 3: how good he played in the month of June, and
22:34
Speaker 3: he's off to a great start.
22:36
Speaker 2: Of course here in July.
22:37
Speaker 3: I can't say enough about Riley Green and what he's
22:40
Speaker 3: done at the hitter he has become.
22:43
Speaker 2: He's legit.
22:44
Speaker 3: They're just not that many guys ahead of him that
22:46
Speaker 3: you would want in the middle of your order. The
22:48
Speaker 3: Tigers are lucky to have him. They're lucky to have
22:50
Speaker 3: him under under control for a few more seasons as well.
22:54
Speaker 1: So, like I'm glad you mentioned like the pressure of it, because,
22:58
Speaker 1: like you know, MLB's they're trying to market all their
23:02
Speaker 1: teams obviously, like they're trying to market as many trying
23:05
Speaker 1: to figure out as many stars as they can to
23:08
Speaker 1: promote the game, grow the game, all that stuff. And
23:11
Speaker 1: so you know, even when the Tigers were not that
23:13
Speaker 1: great of a team, like they were going to New
23:16
Speaker 1: York and we'll be Network would do a thing, and
23:18
Speaker 1: then they would always have Riley Green come in. And
23:20
Speaker 1: then Riley Green has been like a media focus, you know,
23:24
Speaker 1: since he was drafted, and then and every you know,
23:27
Speaker 1: his first you know spring training, you know, major League
23:29
Speaker 1: Spring training invite, and then it's like, all right, he's
23:31
Speaker 1: probably gonna make the team. And then he has a
23:33
Speaker 1: stretch factor in his foot. I remember that I was
23:35
Speaker 1: in my honeymoon at the Golden Nugget in Vegas when
23:38
Speaker 1: when that news broke, like he's handled everything, adversity, injuries, losing,
23:47
Speaker 1: having to kind of answer for his buddy Torque, struggling,
23:50
Speaker 1: and you know in a way like he's handled everything
23:54
Speaker 1: with grace enthusiasm, like like there's there's not really a
23:59
Speaker 1: box in the Riley Green Like, uh, resume that's like
24:03
Speaker 1: unchecked in terms of what you want from a franchise player, right,
24:08
Speaker 1: and and the and the fact that he's he's earned
24:11
Speaker 1: this and what it seems it seems like it's happened
24:13
Speaker 1: so fast, but really it has been like accumulating over
24:17
Speaker 1: time and and and and and and when you take
24:20
Speaker 1: a step back, it makes one hundred percent sense. But
24:24
Speaker 1: like his rise to start him like this is this
24:26
Speaker 1: is why he was drafted. His rise to start him
24:29
Speaker 1: has perfectly coincided with the Tigers return to contention. First
24:35
Speaker 1: All Star appearance, you know, get to the playoffs, blake,
24:38
Speaker 1: playoff drought, playoff game drought, uh and then starter as
24:42
Speaker 1: the Tigers have you know, give or take the day
24:45
Speaker 1: and when you see this or whatever, the best record
24:48
Speaker 1: in baseball, best record in the American League. So it's
24:51
Speaker 1: like these two things have occurred in per and basically
24:55
Speaker 1: perfect unison. And that's really cool to see because if
24:57
Speaker 1: you're going to go through a rebuild, you want to
25:00
Speaker 1: see things. You want to see a payoff, and the
25:03
Speaker 1: ultimate payoff is a world series. But this is this
25:06
Speaker 1: is this is a this is a checkpoint payoff as well,
25:09
Speaker 1: you know, so like that that's probably one of the
25:12
Speaker 1: more special things about this And and uh, I'll also
25:18
Speaker 1: say this a little bit of a smile for I
25:20
Speaker 1: hope he's smiling. I hope he's having a nice I
25:22
Speaker 1: hope he's having a nice whiskey on the rocks. Whatever
25:25
Speaker 1: his rigged choices buck on the rocks. I hope, I
25:29
Speaker 1: hope he's had. I hope he's smiling because the guy
25:33
Speaker 1: that he drafted and the guy that he's his big
25:36
Speaker 1: free agency move to try to turn around the Tigers.
25:40
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to give him credit, but I hope
25:42
Speaker 1: he's at least smiling a little bit. That those two
25:44
Speaker 1: guys are going to be starting in the outfield together
25:47
Speaker 1: in the All Star Game. Kind of wild when you
25:49
Speaker 1: think about it.
25:50
Speaker 2: Man, kind of super wild, super wild.
25:53
Speaker 1: All right, we will talk about the other kind of
25:58
Speaker 1: moves happening around the team. Again, we're not going to
25:59
Speaker 1: react to games. Yeah, we'll do that for Friday's podcast,
26:02
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26:04
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Speaker 1: It all right, coming back here, I think I would
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Speaker 1: a lot of different ways right now, the reality and
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Speaker 1: the strategy that the Tigers are trying to employ in
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Speaker 1: order to get to the All Star break with you know,
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Speaker 1: in as good as shape as they can, which as
27:40
Speaker 1: of recording their like what twelve games up on the division,
27:44
Speaker 1: they're obviously in a very good spot. But since we
27:46
Speaker 1: last talked, Carry Carpenter officially on the IL, Sawyer Gibson
27:53
Speaker 1: Long officially on the I L, and there's been a
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Speaker 1: series of moves Trey Sweeney, Tyler Owens, justin Henry molloy,
28:00
Speaker 1: A lot of them in parts for what it's really
28:04
Speaker 1: a cellivratory week, but a lot of them in parts
28:06
Speaker 1: for the Tigers. I think you've put it perfectly last time, Cody,
28:09
Speaker 1: this is the right move to put Carry on the
28:12
Speaker 1: il and just kind of almost in a way like
28:16
Speaker 1: put him as a piece on this team, like out
28:18
Speaker 1: of sight, out of mind for a couple of weeks
28:20
Speaker 1: and just and just get that hamstring as right as possible.
28:24
Speaker 1: Which is unfortunate because you know, obviously he got it
28:26
Speaker 1: on a triple. He had hit, Yeah, a little bit
28:28
Speaker 1: of a hot streak. He thought he was finding his stroke.
28:31
Speaker 1: But the long term healthier, it's just July, you're in
28:34
Speaker 1: a good position of the division. The long term healthier
28:36
Speaker 1: has to take precedent.
28:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's absolutely the right call.
28:40
Speaker 3: Glad the Tigers, you know, it finally took my advice
28:42
Speaker 3: on this one, my expertise, you know, esteemed medical expertise.
28:47
Speaker 3: Hopefully you can just get the inflammation out that hopefully
28:50
Speaker 3: that hamstring is good to go after the All Star break, right,
28:53
Speaker 3: if it can be kind of a reset and you know,
28:55
Speaker 3: hopefully it doesn't take a whole month to get right,
28:58
Speaker 3: but maybe if he's able to rest it come back
29:01
Speaker 3: be one hundred percent. I think that is going to
29:03
Speaker 3: by far be worth not having carry Carpenter for what,
29:07
Speaker 3: you know, eight nine, ten games, whatever it may be,
29:12
Speaker 3: just to get him right, because he was not right
29:14
Speaker 3: for the majority of the past month. Even he started
29:16
Speaker 3: hitting a little bit at the end. I mean, we
29:18
Speaker 3: saw him running it just it just wasn't good. So
29:22
Speaker 3: I think I think this is best for all involved.
29:25
Speaker 3: As far as the pitching goes, we have a million
29:28
Speaker 3: flying parts. I don't know what's going to happen. I'll
29:31
Speaker 3: be interested to see Dylan Smith got optioned after the
29:34
Speaker 3: first game of the doubleheader rather than sending Tyler Owens
29:37
Speaker 3: back down as a little surprising to me, but we'll
29:40
Speaker 3: see what they do. Dietrich Gens is getting another start
29:42
Speaker 3: here against the Nationals. Riese Olsen sounds like he's going
29:45
Speaker 3: to be back for the Cleveland series. So that's actually
29:47
Speaker 3: pretty big. I think makes you feel okay about losing
29:52
Speaker 3: Sawyer Gibson long he's got next stiffness, which sounds unfortunate.
29:57
Speaker 3: Hope it doesn't turn into anything bigger. You never know,
30:00
Speaker 3: with you know, kind of a description like that. I'm
30:04
Speaker 3: just really interested, honestly to watch Resource in this weekend
30:06
Speaker 3: and see what he's going to give you. He's a
30:08
Speaker 3: guy you need to be the best version of himself.
30:11
Speaker 3: I think this second half and that could really go
30:14
Speaker 3: a long way and stabilizing your rotation if you get
30:17
Speaker 3: that out of him, and then I'll be curious to
30:19
Speaker 3: see how long tray Sweeney sticks around. I'm not sure
30:23
Speaker 3: what the plan is going to be there with Jahin
30:25
Speaker 3: also up for this double header, probably be kind of
30:27
Speaker 3: matchup dependent. The Tigers do face another lefty, Logan Allen
30:31
Speaker 3: in Cleveland. Tray Sweeney clearly the Tigers wanted him to
30:35
Speaker 3: make some adjustments, you know, go down and be able
30:38
Speaker 3: to get more consistent at bats, work on things in
30:41
Speaker 3: a lower pressure environment made a lot of sense, right,
30:44
Speaker 3: I think he needed it.
30:46
Speaker 5: But now you have another.
30:47
Speaker 3: Injury and now he's back up here but probably not
30:49
Speaker 3: going to play a lot. So I'll let's see how
30:53
Speaker 3: that one shakes out as well. But the best thing
30:55
Speaker 3: for tray Sweeney realistically is probably to be getting at bats.
30:58
Speaker 5: It's Toledo right now.
31:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the aforementioned hobby bayas being you know
31:03
Speaker 1: a big part of why it's gonna be a little bit,
31:06
Speaker 1: you know, more challenging to get him at best. But
31:08
Speaker 1: we know Aj is gonna you know, figure out if
31:10
Speaker 1: they if they're there, they're in the clubhouse, they're gonna
31:13
Speaker 1: figure out a way to use them in some fashion.
31:15
Speaker 1: And you know, for the record, in the first game
31:17
Speaker 1: of Wednesday's doubleheader, he did have some good swings there,
31:19
Speaker 1: and it was nice see him get on base and
31:21
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And then you know, Jay Hen
31:24
Speaker 1: gets a call up. All right, buddy, go go bat
31:27
Speaker 1: lead off against Mackenzie Corp. I'm Toledo anymore. Uh here here,
31:34
Speaker 1: here's something about Jay hencode I went. I was like,
31:36
Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm not gonna try to keep track
31:38
Speaker 1: of all these guys like Daily and Toledo because, as
31:41
Speaker 1: we joke, like, I don't know what triple A stats
31:44
Speaker 1: mean anymore. All right, but consider it. He was there
31:47
Speaker 1: for basically a month, the better part of a month.
31:50
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well, let's see what's what
31:52
Speaker 1: was going on. He had a two ninety two average A.
31:57
Speaker 1: I think I wrote that for eighty on. I might
32:00
Speaker 1: have wrote that down maybe four to ten. I'll look
32:02
Speaker 1: that up in a second, four eighty on base. You
32:07
Speaker 1: know what his slug was? Did you look this up?
32:10
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
32:11
Speaker 1: Three sixty one he had. He had a home run
32:16
Speaker 1: in two doubles in the month at at Toledo. So
32:19
Speaker 1: he was hitting and he was getting on base, but
32:22
Speaker 1: he wasn't hitting for much power. Just for the record,
32:26
Speaker 1: I think j Hen is a guy that I think
32:28
Speaker 1: he has gap power like at his best and would
32:32
Speaker 1: like to see him tap into that something we haven't
32:34
Speaker 1: really seen this season. He but but maybe by a
32:39
Speaker 1: j this is pure speculation. It might not even be
32:41
Speaker 1: relevant by tomorrow. But like maybe AJ saying like, all right, Lefty,
32:46
Speaker 1: we're putting you at the leadoff spot, just do your
32:49
Speaker 1: at bat thing and then we'll and we'll figure it
32:52
Speaker 1: out from there. And I would like to see him
32:54
Speaker 1: get some more defensive play because I think I think
32:58
Speaker 1: he that's something that it's going to be important for
33:00
Speaker 1: him long term in order to have like a more
33:03
Speaker 1: solidified role on this team this season, next season, you
33:06
Speaker 1: know whatever is like the confidence to be able to
33:10
Speaker 1: put him out there and stretches defensively and and and
33:14
Speaker 1: by the way, I've always thought he looked fine, Like
33:17
Speaker 1: I've never like I don't think I've ever seen him
33:19
Speaker 1: look lost, which is that they would not play him
33:22
Speaker 1: so much that like you would thought it would be
33:25
Speaker 1: like you know, a butcher in right field or whatever.
33:28
Speaker 1: So I think that's that's it's not as important, but
33:30
Speaker 1: it's pretty damn important. So I'll be curious to see
33:33
Speaker 1: how how the role envisions. But it is nice just
33:36
Speaker 1: in general the CJ hend back up in the backup
33:39
Speaker 1: in the picks. So, I mean, you know Olsen. I
33:44
Speaker 1: like that he brought up Olsen quietly. He was He's
33:47
Speaker 1: a one point one war guy this this year, Like.
33:52
Speaker 2: Really good man.
33:52
Speaker 3: I'm having to like tell people, like outside of Detroit,
33:55
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, there's like no resource is a good
33:58
Speaker 3: quality major league pitcher.
33:59
Speaker 2: Like people realize that.
34:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he can be the seconds on this staff
34:04
Speaker 3: if he's at his best.
34:05
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like they've taken their time with,
34:09
Speaker 1: you know, getting him back up with you know. I
34:11
Speaker 1: mean I like that, but I think he was right
34:13
Speaker 1: for a minute.
34:14
Speaker 2: I think the really bothered.
34:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, which again this is all right and fair, but
34:18
Speaker 1: it's like we kept hearing like, well he's gonna do
34:20
Speaker 1: the change up bullpen tomorrow and that was like two
34:23
Speaker 1: weeks ago. So like they like so they they definitely
34:26
Speaker 1: wanted to get him as close to full major league
34:30
Speaker 1: game speed as possible for the reasons that you said
34:34
Speaker 1: he's a damn good pitcher, and like he is a
34:38
Speaker 1: as vital as anybody not named Trek Schougl right now
34:41
Speaker 1: in order for this team to reach its full potential.
34:44
Speaker 1: So uh so, yeah, not to be forgotten sometimes you
34:47
Speaker 1: always got to remind yourself too, not to be forgotten, Resoulson.
34:50
Speaker 1: And you know, we get to see Dietrich again, so
34:52
Speaker 1: that that will be that will be fun as well,
34:56
Speaker 1: all right, anything else, Cody.
35:01
Speaker 3: I think labor Torres is going to get a hundred
35:02
Speaker 3: million dollars game. That's his goal, that's the state goal,
35:06
Speaker 3: one hundred mil. He's having a great season. We just
35:09
Speaker 3: raved about him for like five minutes. I don't think
35:12
Speaker 3: he's going to get a hundred mil though. It's just
35:15
Speaker 3: a little bit of a spotty track. Not spotty, but
35:18
Speaker 3: like you don't fully know year to year what kind
35:21
Speaker 3: of player he's going to be. He is still young,
35:24
Speaker 3: but I'm thinking he's.
35:26
Speaker 2: Going to get like three sixty or something like that.
35:29
Speaker 2: Am I wrong? I think I'm wrong. I think the
35:31
Speaker 2: Tiger should.
35:33
Speaker 1: I don't think you're wrong. I think a I would
35:36
Speaker 1: definitely be open to extension talks with labor tors because
35:40
Speaker 1: I think the groundwork has kind of been laid by
35:43
Speaker 1: that a little bit with having Colt Keith, you know,
35:47
Speaker 1: seeing that this third base thing can be viable in
35:51
Speaker 1: a way, and you know, things that change year to year.
35:54
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't change Clabor Tourus claveror Torres just
35:57
Speaker 1: doesn't change year to year. Uh. And in three years,
36:01
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's gonna want more than three years. But
36:05
Speaker 1: you could convince them, hey man, that's when you're gonna
36:07
Speaker 1: be thirty thirty one, you do this for a little
36:10
Speaker 1: bit longer like that that you're still like kind of
36:13
Speaker 1: in his style, should age well anyway, Like we all
36:16
Speaker 1: knew the Hubby thing was not necessarily going to age well.
36:20
Speaker 1: You were hopeful, but of course maybe it did age
36:22
Speaker 1: well because now he's an All Star at thirty two.
36:25
Speaker 1: But like you know, you know it wasn't gonna age well.
36:27
Speaker 1: Whereas you know Glaber should I mean Glabor and Theory
36:31
Speaker 1: could do this another five six years easily.
36:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, this is one of those things Like
36:35
Speaker 3: the first time I really thought about it in the
36:37
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, I was like, no, they're you know,
36:39
Speaker 3: the Tigers aren't going to extend them because they have
36:42
Speaker 3: McGonagall coming, they still feel good about how you lee,
36:45
Speaker 3: like they just have it, you know, even the Max
36:47
Speaker 3: Anderson's Chase young like, they haven't field depth, they haven't
36:50
Speaker 3: field prospects coming.
36:51
Speaker 2: McGonagall might be in the big leagues next year.
36:55
Speaker 3: There's like, I don't know, man if actually play third? Yeah,
37:02
Speaker 3: Like we just talked about how he was the right fit.
37:05
Speaker 3: He's been the guy they needed. He does consistently get
37:08
Speaker 3: on base every year regardless, you know, even if the
37:11
Speaker 3: power fluctuates. Would they give him five years? I think
37:17
Speaker 3: is a little bit more like I think the bat
37:20
Speaker 3: can age well the defense even though eye test wise
37:23
Speaker 3: it's better than I thought it would be. It's he's
37:25
Speaker 3: still a negative defender and he's only going to get
37:27
Speaker 3: older and slower. So that does worry me. Like can
37:30
Speaker 3: he even play second base in five years time?
37:37
Speaker 1: I don't know.
37:37
Speaker 3: I lean toward like, I don't think they'll extend him
37:40
Speaker 3: just given the youth they have on the infield. I
37:43
Speaker 3: don't think they're going to want long term commitments.
37:46
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't I don't know.
37:48
Speaker 3: I wouldn't totally rule it out or imagine that wasn't
37:53
Speaker 3: What if it's like a flairty thing. You know what
37:55
Speaker 3: if just no one quite wants to go five six
37:58
Speaker 3: years and they can get Glaber a little shorter term.
38:03
Speaker 3: I kind of feel bad for Glabor, but it'd be
38:06
Speaker 3: work out pretty good for the Tigers.
38:08
Speaker 1: A fun game to play with your friends at the
38:10
Speaker 1: local watering holes is you know who gets extended first,
38:15
Speaker 1: and some of them might not get extended at all.
38:17
Speaker 1: And that's your that's your four presumably not you know,
38:22
Speaker 1: your four all star stars for the Tigers, Riley Green, Labor, Torres,
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Speaker 1: Hobby Bias. You know, you throw that in there for
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Speaker 1: fun and Trek Schooble, So have have fun with that.
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Speaker 1: That's who gets extended first. That's that that you could
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Speaker 1: fill up a whole night with your with your body.
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Speaker 2: That one good.
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Speaker 3: My mind's already going crazy just thinking of that.
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Speaker 1: All right. I mean a great day for the Tigers, truly,
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Speaker 1: like I said, beginning historic day and Cody, you laid
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Speaker 1: out there. It doesn't happen very often, period, and some
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Speaker 1: of those teams were either great teams or coming off
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Speaker 1: great seasons that the company that they joined right there,
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Speaker 1: and again you're gonna have at least one more All
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Speaker 1: Star and depending on how it shakes out, could could
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Speaker 1: be more as well. So credit to Glabor, credit to Hobby,
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Speaker 1: credit to Riley Green. Happy for those guys, especially Hobby
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Speaker 1: with what he's come through. Riley with you know this,
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Speaker 1: you know first time. Then Glabor you know a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a comeback as well. So the comeback Tigs
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Speaker 1: make the make three All Stars starters this year. Crazy
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Speaker 1: crazy to say, even crazier to think, but makes sense
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