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#2030 My New Favourite Singer - Fran the Singer · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a you, Bloody Champions, Welcome to another installment
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  Speaker 1: of you project. It's me and it's you, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited today because I was just saying a fran who
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  Speaker 1: I was chatting with off air. I was saying a
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  Speaker 1: fran about one or two times, maybe three times a year,
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  Speaker 1: I reach out through my social media to someone else
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  Speaker 1: because I'm not the guy that gets the guests. I'm
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  Speaker 1: the guy that talked to the guests, and as you
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  Speaker 1: all know, Melissa and Tiff are the guest getters. And also,
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  Speaker 1: I think you know I don't say shit that I
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  Speaker 1: don't mean. I've been following this young lady for a
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  Speaker 1: while on which that sounds creepy, doesn't it. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's let me undo that so well it is. I've
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  Speaker 1: been virtually following this lady for a while. Her name
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  Speaker 1: is Franz. She goes by fran the Singer. You'll find
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  Speaker 1: her on Instagram. Go there right now, give her a
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  Speaker 1: follow fran the Singer. And I heard her voice. I
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  Speaker 1: fucking love her voice. And I'm not saying that because
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  Speaker 1: she's listening to me right now. I actually just send
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  Speaker 1: her a message, and your voice is amazing. Would you
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  Speaker 1: like to have a chat with me on my show.
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  Speaker 1: I thought she probably wouldn't respond because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people don't and and but I said, nonetheless. Either way,
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  Speaker 1: if you do or you don't, your voice is great.
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  Speaker 1: Congrats blah blah blah. Anyway, she got back to me
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  Speaker 1: and giddy up, butter Cup, she's here. I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 1: Hi friend, Hi Greg, thank.
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  Speaker 2: You for having me. This is so exciting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Australian audience is going to heat if I start
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  Speaker 3: mimicking your Australian accent.
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  Speaker 2: But it's I'm not it's not my own doing. I
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  Speaker 2: just can't help.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, well you just let yourself go. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want I don't want any barriers. I don't want any
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  Speaker 1: you know. It's just a creative platform for you to
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  Speaker 1: be whatever you want to be. When did you Have
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  Speaker 1: you ever been on an Australian podcast before?
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  Speaker 4: Never?
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  Speaker 3: Never, But I have a lot of listeners. It's like
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  Speaker 3: the second biggest audiences in Australia for me, which is
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how that happened. And the other only
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  Speaker 3: connection I have to Australia is that I took a
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  Speaker 3: dialects course my last year of college, so I just ah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So I just like doing the dialect and I used
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  Speaker 3: it a fair bit at one of my jobs to
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  Speaker 3: make more money.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Really what was that? What was that? What was that?
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  Speaker 1: Can we?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I worked at a bakery for like six months
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  Speaker 3: and I was a cashier and I found that if
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  Speaker 3: I talked, if I spoken in Australian accent, I would
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  Speaker 3: make more tips. And I just did it as an experiment.
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  Speaker 3: When one shift, I was like, let me just compare
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  Speaker 3: today if I do it all shift and if I
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  Speaker 3: do it tomorrow or if I don't do it tomorrow
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  Speaker 3: what happens? And I would make more money if I
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  Speaker 3: That is like the novelty of it.
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  Speaker 1: That is hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's funny is like when you when
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  Speaker 1: you are you right, it's like you you probably your
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  Speaker 1: your sense of you is that, well, I don't have
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  Speaker 1: an accent, has an accent, whereas I'm like, well what
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  Speaker 1: do you mean we don't And of course, but being
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  Speaker 1: an Australian living in Australia talking the way that I
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  Speaker 1: do and listening to one million ausies a day, it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's nothing special if anything as objective as I
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  Speaker 1: can be about my own accent. To me, it sounds
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  Speaker 1: somewhat abrasive and unsophisticated and kind of unpolished. It's you know,
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  Speaker 1: but when I've been to the States a bunch and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: people are like, oh wow, I love your accent, or
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  Speaker 1: I can't understand. I can't understand what the fuck you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: I went to a place called Breckenridge, which is in Colorado,
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  Speaker 1: to do some work like up in the snow, and
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  Speaker 1: I checked in. So this is, you know, twelve thousand
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  Speaker 1: feet above sea level or whatever. And I arrived there
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  Speaker 1: and I went to check in at this conference and
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  Speaker 1: I said, and the guy asked me my name, like
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  Speaker 1: are you checking in? I said yes, he said name
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  Speaker 1: and I said Harper and he goes he looks at me.
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  Speaker 2: It was Happer.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, no idea, I said Harper, and he still
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  Speaker 1: looked at me. And then there was a lady next
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  Speaker 1: to him and he brought her over so they could
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  Speaker 1: try and understand this weird fucking man. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: I said, I said Craig Harper, and they go, oh,
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  Speaker 1: mister Harper.
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  Speaker 4: And I so.
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  Speaker 1: I had to if I said Craig Harper to them.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like you have.
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  Speaker 3: A bunch of marbles in your mouth, is the best
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  Speaker 3: way to describe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, well now that you've told us
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  Speaker 1: how brilliant, right now, this is an exercise fraught with
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  Speaker 1: danger because you know that people are fucking terrible at
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  Speaker 1: Australian accent.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I did not say it was good.
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  Speaker 1: This is a lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 3: Saturdays and Sundays, I would do an Australian accent that
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  Speaker 3: sounds a little bit kiwi, and I would make slightly
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  Speaker 3: more tips on the weekends.
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  Speaker 2: I did not show you an.
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  Speaker 1: Accent that's not bad, that's not really really fast.
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  Speaker 3: You almost can't hear the mistakes if I do.
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  Speaker 2: It really fast.
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  Speaker 1: And no, no, not.
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  Speaker 3: Away from I'm from Adelaide.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, dude, that is pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. If I don't talk a lot, I can get
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  Speaker 3: away with like a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always amused in American shows when and we're still
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  Speaker 1: movies where they get an American playing an Australian who's
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  Speaker 1: fucking terrible. Yeah, I'm like, you know, we have Australian actors, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know you could actually.
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  Speaker 2: To fly out. Probably that's their excuse.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, well, we love having you on.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this. Let's let's find
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  Speaker 1: out a little bit about you. You before we before
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  Speaker 1: we started recording, you kind of said to me, I
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  Speaker 1: had to look through the back catalog of guests and
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  Speaker 1: topics and whatever, and you're like, ah, you know I
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  Speaker 1: don't have a PhD. You know I'm not a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, well, it's one you don't need to be.
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  Speaker 1: And two, most of our at least half of our
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  Speaker 1: guests are not academics. And it's really just a conversation
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  Speaker 1: about I love the fact that, like, you've got an
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  Speaker 1: interesting story, but you're also still the story is still happening, right,
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  Speaker 1: You're still doing the work and you're in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of it, and it's trying to learn from people. And
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  Speaker 1: I said to you, even though I'm kind of a
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  Speaker 1: teacher and kind of an academic, you can definitely teach
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  Speaker 1: me as much as I can teach you, just about
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  Speaker 1: different things. So let's start in the beginning. Where are
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  Speaker 1: you from? Like, where were you born?
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  Speaker 3: So I was born in Costa Rica. It's funny that
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  Speaker 3: we started talking about accents, because I don't think it's
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  Speaker 3: noticeable or placeable where I'm from based on how I
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  Speaker 3: speak at all. Yes, I was born in Costa Rica,
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  Speaker 3: and then I moved to the US with my mom
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  Speaker 3: and my younger son, Sture, when I was six or seven,
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  Speaker 3: and then after that we kind of moved every year
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  Speaker 3: or two. So first place was Alabama, which is a
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  Speaker 3: wild place to learn your English from, very sad, yes,
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  Speaker 3: right there, a very very bless your heart community. They
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  Speaker 3: say that all yea blessure.
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  Speaker 2: And we did that a couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: We went to California, which is, you know, not too
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  Speaker 3: far across the country, and then we went to Oregon
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  Speaker 3: for a year. We went back to California for another
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  Speaker 3: year because if it didn't work the first time, it
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  Speaker 3: will work the second time. And then I finished high
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  Speaker 3: school in North Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was sick of moving.
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  Speaker 3: I came to New York for college, and I planted
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  Speaker 3: myself here and I've been here maybe six or seven
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  Speaker 3: years now.
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  Speaker 1: And what did you do with college?
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  Speaker 3: I actually went to school for acting.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even consider music.
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  Speaker 3: As a path for myself until twenty twenty one, which
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  Speaker 3: is a bit after the pandemic hit.
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  Speaker 1: Cannot be rude, How old are you be?
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  Speaker 2: So rude. Yeah, I just turned twenty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, you're a donosaur. Dude, Wow and still braithing
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  Speaker 1: and living. That's amazing, because.
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  Speaker 3: I actually do feel like a dinosaur. Once you leave
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  Speaker 3: like twenty five, twenty six, you're like, oh, no, it's
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  Speaker 3: not mid twenties anymore.
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  Speaker 1: How about you shot the fuck up?
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  Speaker 3: No, that's so annoying.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I'm twenty seven, poor me. I'm larious.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm comparing myself to people accomplishing the same or
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  Speaker 3: more than me at seventeen. So it's all about you
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  Speaker 3: know what you're comparing yourself to. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I know I have.
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  Speaker 2: Like plenty of time.
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  Speaker 3: But I only did two years of college before COVID
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  Speaker 3: hit and I took a leave of absence.
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  Speaker 2: I paused school. I was engaged at the time.
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  Speaker 3: I took a pause on that and immediately just was
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  Speaker 3: finding different ways to feel the pain that I was feeling,
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  Speaker 3: which was a lot. I didn't immediately turn to music. Boy,
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  Speaker 3: that would have been so beautifully healthy. I you know,
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  Speaker 3: smoked a lot. I started smoking a lot, I started
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  Speaker 3: drinking a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And then you realize that it does work at.
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  Speaker 3: Numbing you out, and you reach a point though, where
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  Speaker 3: you just don't feel anything. You don't feel the good
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  Speaker 3: and you don't feel the bad. You just get stuck
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  Speaker 3: in like a loop. And I guess like my mom's
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  Speaker 3: roots started helping me because she used to sing a
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  Speaker 3: lot around the house. She's a very emotional person, so
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  Speaker 3: if she's feeling really good, it's like music is expressing it.
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  Speaker 3: She's loud, she's she's really expressive, and if she's sad,
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  Speaker 3: it's very obvious with music also, and you can just
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  Speaker 3: tell everything in her body is very expressive. And I
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  Speaker 3: guess I started just letting that, letting myself do that
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  Speaker 3: more and singing around the house and listening to music.
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  Speaker 3: And I started just singing a lot, crying a lot
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  Speaker 3: like that was I saw that as like weak because
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  Speaker 3: it feels very weak. Yeah, I mean I'm very like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm very like stick up my butt, like get it right,
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  Speaker 3: perfectionist type of person.
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  Speaker 2: So at that time that was hard.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, music then I just once I started singing
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  Speaker 3: and felt how much lighter I felt doing that. I
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  Speaker 3: always have a hard time expressing that feeling, but once
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  Speaker 3: I started letting it out and emoting through music, I
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  Speaker 3: guess is the best way to say it. I there
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  Speaker 3: was just a moment where I was like, Oh, this
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  Speaker 3: is what I'm supposed to be doing. Nothing else lets
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  Speaker 3: me feel this. Catharsis like doing this.
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  Speaker 1: It's so true. It's like like when you find that thing,
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  Speaker 1: that thing that that makes you feel that way and
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  Speaker 1: that you it's like the insection of therapy and joy
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  Speaker 1: and purpose. It's like when those things kind of it's
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  Speaker 1: like that fruit salad of the human experience where you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: like for me, when I'm when I'm I do a
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  Speaker 1: lot of speaking, right, So I talk to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of audiences, and there's you know, you know when you're
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  Speaker 1: kind of when you're singing. I guess for you, But
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  Speaker 1: for me, it's like when I'm speaking and when there's
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  Speaker 1: an audience, and it's like I'm in flow and it's
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  Speaker 1: not coming out of my brain, it's coming through me,
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  Speaker 1: not from me. Now. I know this sounds weird, right.
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  Speaker 3: But this is exactly the thing that I love to
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  Speaker 3: talk about because it's really hard to explain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because and it's like, oh, I'm I'm almost a
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  Speaker 1: passenger here in the own, in my own fucking thing
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  Speaker 1: that I'm running where like and I think there's this
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  Speaker 1: I think there's this I don't know almost this creative
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  Speaker 1: magic that we have. I don't have yours. You maybe
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  Speaker 1: don't have. Well, you're a very fucking good communicator anyway,
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  Speaker 1: but you know it's different, and I feel like for me,
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  Speaker 1: it's a responsibility. I think, all right, well, Craig, you
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  Speaker 1: can communicate. You're not very good at many other things,
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  Speaker 1: but you can think clearly and you can communicate. What
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  Speaker 1: are you going to do with that? Like how do
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  Speaker 1: you serve people with that?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 1: How do you make other people's lives better? And also
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  Speaker 1: because you know, like which you don't know any of this,
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  Speaker 1: we're just meeting each other. But I was this morbidly
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  Speaker 1: obese kid, so insecure, fucking attention seeking, you know, self doubting,
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  Speaker 1: self loathing, all this bullshit. So I always tried to
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  Speaker 1: get approval through being fucking funny or captivating or hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get over that, right kind of, and
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  Speaker 1: then you just think, oh, well, now what do I
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  Speaker 1: do with this? And how do I how do I
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  Speaker 1: turn this into a how do I turn this into
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  Speaker 1: maybe a career as well, like because what's.
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  Speaker 3: Even left anymore? Sometimes when you're not trying to do
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  Speaker 3: anything for anyone else. There's a period of time where
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  Speaker 3: you're like, what even who am I if I'm not
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  Speaker 3: trying to.
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  Speaker 2: That's very relatable.
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  Speaker 3: I relate to that a lot. But the only way
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  Speaker 3: that I found that I can like go into that flow,
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  Speaker 3: especially related to what I was saying about being very controlling,
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  Speaker 3: is when I see myself as a vessel for the
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  Speaker 3: information and the work that I've put in to go through.
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  Speaker 3: Because if I think that I'm creating the flow, there's
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  Speaker 3: no flow, you know what I mean, When you're like
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  Speaker 3: locked in and all the work that you've put in
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  Speaker 3: is just happening. I have to remember that it's not me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just like a vessel that's allowing the things to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Because the second I think it's me, then I'm like
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  Speaker 3: concerned about how it's going to be perceived and if
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  Speaker 3: it's connected to me, and if it's what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like you need to get out of the
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  Speaker 1: way so it can happen.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly through you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is magic. It is like a sense that
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  Speaker 3: we haven't quite tapped into how to call it, but
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  Speaker 3: it is magic.
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  Speaker 1: I think, and you know the irony is I think, friend,
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  Speaker 1: when you try to dissect it intellectually, you almost fuck
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  Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, you know, it's like, dude, stop fucking
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  Speaker 1: overthinking it. Because sometimes I'll do a gig where you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking for three hours and it's good, it's solid,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, there's good feedback, it's nice, but it's
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  Speaker 1: very strategic and it's Craig being Craig and talking about stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And then there are other times when it's amazing despite me,
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  Speaker 1: not because of me. Right, it's just been something special
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  Speaker 1: going on where people come up and people are crying
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  Speaker 1: and people and there's just this energy in the room.
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  Speaker 1: And then later I'll try and deconstruct what that was
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  Speaker 1: about so I can replicate it, and I can't. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know, you know, it's like no, I just
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  Speaker 1: know that. Yeah. The more I try and strategize that,
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  Speaker 1: the worse I am. So for me, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, almost getting out of the way of
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  Speaker 1: what can happen with people and with all.
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  Speaker 3: The energy in the room, right time, right place, you
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  Speaker 3: couldn't have planned it. I mean, some people get good
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  Speaker 3: at kind of setting themselves up for success. But uh,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, it's it's that's exactly correct. Like it feels
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  Speaker 3: like the more that you try to overthink in I'm
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  Speaker 3: a huge overthinker. So I could talk about as I
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  Speaker 3: come for you so bad? I mean I'm doing pretty
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  Speaker 3: good at it lately, but but I mean, no, it's
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  Speaker 3: not going so bad. Actually I'm getting better at it
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  Speaker 3: with age.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, now that you're a dinosaur, I mean, there'd
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  Speaker 1: be all that maturity in wisdom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I set you up for that joke, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you like? How do you manage you like?
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  Speaker 1: How do you like? What's your go to for you know,
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  Speaker 1: for turning down the fucking internal noise and getting out
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  Speaker 1: of the overthinking mind and the anxiety and the chaos?
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  Speaker 4: Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously music is a big part. Is there anything else?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that I use music to turn it off?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe creating music. But this is a good time, I
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  Speaker 3: guess to delve into that because I am under a
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: lot of self imposed pressure right now to write my
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  Speaker 3: second EP or album or whatever it's gonna be. I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to write every day and I actually just wrote
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  Speaker 3: a song this morning. I'm super excited about it, and
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  Speaker 3: the only way I was able to get to like
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  Speaker 3: a fun, silly place, which is not usually where I
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  Speaker 3: gravitate towards, is to pretend that no one's ever gonna
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  Speaker 3: see it. It's like a journal entry and I'm just
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  Speaker 3: gonna la la la and see what comes out. But
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  Speaker 3: that's usually what helps me a lot, is to pretend
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  Speaker 3: that no one is gonna see it. That's the only
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  Speaker 3: time that I can really tap in and let things happen.
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  Speaker 3: That way, there's no pressure. I can scrap it if
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  Speaker 3: it's bad. So that worked.
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  Speaker 2: I've been trying that recently. That worked this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes it doesn't work because you're just too caught up
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: and trying to make a thing. You're hearing too many
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: of like industry voices about make a hit, and they
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: should sound like this and sound like this, and that
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: stuff is never anything that's going to sound like someone
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: else is never going to sound as good as the original.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: So I think also maybe once like if you're just
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: in that creative space and you're not, you're not over
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: cerebralizing it. It's that there's less brain and more creative flow.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I think the moment that you start to think about, oh,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: what will people think of this, How will this sound
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to them? How will this be experienced? Then fear comes
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: in and fear fucks up creativity.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's the exact opposite of the excitement that
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: you get after you're in flow for thirty minutes. I
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: can talk about this now because I just had this
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: feeling and it's yeah, oh amazing. When you're like in
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: flow and you you lock in for thirty minutes to
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: an hour and you write something that feels so good
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: and so authentic. The feeling is really when you write
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: it and it communicates exactly what it was in your brain,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: and then you know you did the right job. And
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: then I was just like listening to it over and
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: over and over again. And that excitement is the exact
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: opposite of the fear of rejection from the public, and
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: it's so fueling, like that fuels the entire day. Now.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: The downside is that then if I don't create something
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: like that or I'm not able to tap in for
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: a week, I feel awful and I feel like I'm
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: not contributing my purpose and I feel like I'm falling
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: behind and all these things. But that like one day
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: where I can nail it or at least feel for
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: myself that I nailed it. Even if I send it
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: ad to executive producers and no one responds and they're
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: all busy to listen to it. I have a sense
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: of accomplishment that I did a thing that I was
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: supposed to do with my gift. But that that's only
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: you know. I'm trying to find ways that I can
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: access that more often so that I can feel that more.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I think also, you know, you like part of you,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: you me everyone who wants to kind of connect with
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: an audience and be and that is through a version
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: of creativity. As hard as it is, You've got to
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: be okay. I mean, you've got no choice, but you've
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: got to be okay with rejection and people who like
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: you or don't like you, or you know, once your audience.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: You know, I've said this before. I get three or
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: four e miles a week from people going basically, you're
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a fucking idiot, I hate you, you know, and and
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, Brian, think, oh yeah, yeah, because you
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: know not or you know you're a dickhead or you know.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: But for every one of those, I have a lot
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of really nice stuff, you know, But that I wanted
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to share something with you. Nobody in the world's heard this.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: My audience will, but you're the second person in the world, right,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: so you know, like I have my have you seen
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: my Instagram page or no?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Other okay quotes yeah, yeah. So I always write stuff,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and the funny thing is trying to figure out what
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: people will like or what will resonate. So at the minute,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: my views are over the last thirty days, like over
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: nine million, right, so it goes it's going nuts at
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the moment, so like three hundred thousand views a day.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: And I always try to figure out, how do I
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: write something that's going to connect with people. It's not
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: too many words, it's not too few words. It actually
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: conveys something that might be helpful or and it's maybe
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit funny.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: But then other times I write things I want to
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: read you something I wrote. I wrote this the other
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: day and this came out in about three minutes, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I like it, but I know that this is not
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: something that would resonate, so I didn't put it up,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: but I should be put it up and go fuck,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if people like it or not. But
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: because it's not funny, right, or because it's not cheeky,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: or because I don't say fuck. So this is what
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I wrote. I am everywhere and nowhere, everything and nothing,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: inspiration and desperation. I am the scene and the unseen.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I am the calm and the chaos, laughter and tears,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: light and darkness. I am complicated and simple. I am
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: problems and solutions, fear and courage, vulnerability and power. I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: am the creator of your reality. I am thought and
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I wrote that, and I went, I fucking love that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and I wrote it, which sounds ridiculous, right, But I'm
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: like that is I think about how much our mind
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: basically shapes our reality.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: And I love that. You should post that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it too, But I thought, but then
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I think, why wouldn't you post it? Just because it
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: might not go well?
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to how could anyone disagree with what
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: that's true?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not a rise in chaos?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, one hundred percent.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: So I think people just wouldn't like it because it doesn't.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Say fuck well, just because it's not fucking, you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: cool enough for it. It's not cheeky enough for it's
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: not outrageous enough for But then yeah, because there's this
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: dichotomy because you want to create, like for example, with you,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you want to create music that people really connect with,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and so in a way you've got to be strategic,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: but also at the same time, you don't want to
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: be too strategic because that kills creativity, right.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: And most of the time what gets me to send
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: it is that if you like it, there's gotta be
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: someone out there who also see, like thinks that's cool, yes,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: or else you think that you're super special, like you
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: wrote that and you thought, wow, that's cool, and you
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: think you're the only brain in the world that thinks
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: that that's super cool.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: There's no way when you did that Ala Lujah Joline
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: kind of mash up? Do you call it that?
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Everyone go listen to that? And it's like, you know
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: what I love about that. It's not produced, it's not
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it's just you sitting there with your guitar just doing.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: This terrible guitar and I'm just clunking away that it's cool.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Dude. It's like, well, it's clear you can play guitar,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: but you're not John Mayer. But you can play guitar,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: but your voice is fucking outrageous. And there's just this
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: this intertwining of these two different beautiful kind of the experiences,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: like that creates this new thing, Like you created a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: new thing, like nobody's ever done that that way, that
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and that that one thing that's now well over a
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: million views, and that's just on instag and I'm sure
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it's in other places much more like.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Mist about that video, and speaking of self doubt, is
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: the morning that I recorded that. I was in a
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: hotel room filming for a show and I was just
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: like trying to make content and I did it a
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: bunch of versions and narrowed it down to that one.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I sent it to a friend and I was like,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: should I post this? And they were like, ah, you've
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: done better, And I guess so I'll just post it
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: on TikTok because that's where I post like my yeah,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I just shoot it to the wind and then it
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: starts blowing up and I was like, wait, wait a minute,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: what's going on? And I guess it just captured. It
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: was the right moment, the right like feeling that I
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: was in that yeah, But I definitely didn't know that
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: when I posted it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I was kind of thinking.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I could redo it. The runs could be cleaner, there
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: could be more excitement, there could be a build up,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: there's always you know what I mean, you can go
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: on forever.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that one surprised me as well.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I find encouraging? And this sound
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: both harsh for some people and positive for you, but
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: it's like, I look around and there are people that
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: are way, way, way more famous and successful in a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: musical sense than you with less talent. That's what gives
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: me hope for you. Like I think, I mean, you're
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: already doing well, but you'd like to be, you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: on a bigger stage and all of those things. I'm assuming, right,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: But I look at you and I think I said
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to someone else yesterday. In fact, yesterday I had coffee
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: with a friend of mine in the morning, a guy,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and I said, look at this. Just look at this
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: girl and tell me what you think. He's like, she's
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: fucking amazing. So he started following you his names.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So Scott's following you right anyway, I go, So I go,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: how good is this girl? He's like, she's fucking amazing?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Who is she? What did you like? Everyone that I
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: show the like, who's this girl? So You're going to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: be the next big thing. That's my prediction. I want
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you to be, I hope.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm manifesting it. I'm working hard.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I still I do music Monday through Friday. I still
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: a bar tend on the weekends. Yeap, no shade to
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the job. I love it, but.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to just do music full time.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Tell us about just digressing. Digressing for a moment. So
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you live in New York right now?
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Is that a lot around the city.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: And I sing at the bar that I work at
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: and I love it here.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is it. I've been to the States a bunch,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I've never been to New York. Try and try and
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: capture the essence of New York for my listeners. I'm
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: sure most have not been. What is? What is New York?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Describe New York to us like we've all seen it
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, but I've never been there.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Okay. Also, one thing that you said before is that
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you said that there's a lot of talent here than
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of people are famous. And the one thing
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: about that is that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: For people that are like mega pop stars. Sorry, this
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: is just stuck in my head.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Because yeah, yeah, a sutle.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Reason that they're there. It's like showing up to the
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: studio every day, writing every day, getting it produced every day.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: It's like also the hard working aspect of it. So
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: whenever I hear that, I'm like, well, but maybe they're
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: just working harder.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: And it's true, they are just working harder.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: So there's something that I'm doing that I could be
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: doing that isn't just like, oh man, I just the
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: things aren't working out for me and I'll just sit
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: here and be more talented and just live with it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I have to get there somehow because I'm there's got
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: to be something else that I can be doing. And
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: that's where you get caught in like the I'm never
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: doing enough.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Thing I have. That is a really good point that
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you might and it's it's absolutely valid, Like like you
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: have a gift ride so that's just But then how
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you develop that gift, how you develop that skill, what
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: you do with it, how you in science we call
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it operationalize it, you know, put it into out into
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the world. Right, Yeah, because there are some I mean,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: there are how many brilliant people are there that nobody's
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: ever heard of?
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I'm just lucky enough to be on your
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: podcast now and get my audience a little bit bigger
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: and have people hear about it and then hopefully make
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: things that speaks to their emotions and keep building on that.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I'm just lucky, and then I
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: just have to put the more hard work behind it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: But anyways, to describe New York, I mostly really like
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: it because there's less of a barrier between strangers. We
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: moved a lot, so the barrier between strangers was kind
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: of gone. Anyway, in my upbringing, there wasn't a lot
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: of time to get to know people in my grade,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I have a year to be your best friend. So
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: here's everything about me, and then tell me everything about you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: So that helps you a lot when you move a lot,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: because there's just you don't waste a lot of time
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: getting to know people. You kind of present yourself as
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: you are faster, yeah, which has its pros and its cons.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: But yeah, in New York, I just like how many
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: people there are here. I like that I get to
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: walk everywhere. I haven't driven since high school, so that's great. Yeah,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: And you just get to feel the effects of your
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: energy faster because you're around more people. So if you're
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: putting out great energy, you just get rewarded for it
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: faster because there's so many things that could happen, you
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: know what I mean.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel that way. I think that you
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: ever sorry, Do you ever feel like I grew up
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: in the country, right, So I grew up in a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: kind of rural quad and I live in what's nothing
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: like New York, that's for sure, but I live now closer.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I live in a suburb out of Melbourne, bottom of Australia,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and I live on a main street, and you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: it's pretty busy. It's pretty like I'm surrounded by cafes
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and bars and retail stores and restaurants and gyms and
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: all the normal nail shops and massage shops and bullshit
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: that's in any city, right, But sometimes I've just got
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: to go somewhere where there's none of that. I just
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: need space and quiet. And I'm also lucky because I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: live eight hundred meters from the beach, so I can
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: just go there and it's pretty quiet. Do you feel
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: like you need to get away from the busyness and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the noise and all bit good mayhem? But like, there's
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of mayhem, there's a lot of nonstopness. Do
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you just need to get away from that ever?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Nothing beats to the beach like I could stare out
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: at the ocean for hours whenever we go, because I
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: don't get to see it as often anymore. I just
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: got back from LA for a show, and I went
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: with my best friend and we went to Santa Monica
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and just stared at the water for what seemed like
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: two hours, because it is the most.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Peaceful, calming thing, especially compared to the city.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Usually, when I crash out and just have worked really hard,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the closest I get to quiet is just isolating in
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: my room for two days and just really which isn't ideal.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I would love to just pack up and go to
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: the mountains for a week and probably write a whole
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: other album over there that that's coming. It was really good.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: It was really good. I met with an agency that
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to make some connections with. I had my
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: first headlining little showcase beautiful. Yeah. I had some cool
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: people come out and see it. I put into practice
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: some mindfulness things that could get me more out of
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: my head and in flow, which had a lot to
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: do with remembering that I deserve it and I'm not
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: tricking anybody into being here. Sometimes I feel like it's
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: crazy and I'm in a dream and there's no way
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: that I could do this and it'll go really well.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, my best friend is kind of in
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: that whole field of adjusting how you think about things
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: and really having an impact on how things go.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: So we did a lot of.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Quote unquote manifestation type of stuff where you just picture
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: yourself doing well or change and not self sabotaging by
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: you know how, when you have things memorized, sometimes the
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: thought will pop in your head that's like, oh, you're
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: gonna mess up the next word. You're going to mess
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: it up. I don't know what that is, but I'll
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: do that to myself sometimes and I mess it up
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: and it's just confirming that I'm right and it's weird.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: So I tried not to do that and the show
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: was great. It was a good test that your mind
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: does a lot of power.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because you want to be awesome, but
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you don't want to try too hard because when you
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: try too hard then there's anxiety and anxiety and anxiety
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of inversely correlates with performance.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I had to see it as not
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I have to do well to impress the people that
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: are important that are in this room. But of course
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: this is what I have to this is what I do.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I'm a singer.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: It's gonna go great because I sing. And then, yes,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: that was really surprising that at twenty seven that was
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: late for me to learn. Yeah.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean even though you're a dinosaur and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: clearly you're on the home straight, but as a singer,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you're young, right, like it's four years, Like you've been
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: singing for four years? Really? Am I right in that?
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: It started really slow, just making little videos at home,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: posting them on a private account. Then I was working
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: at a coffee shop and I would sing on their
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: little open mike nights, and it's slowly.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Do you have a you know, one of the things
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: that we talk about on the show a lot is
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: getting better whatever that means, you know, whether or not
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: that's changing your body or changing your business or your career,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: or you know, being less stressed, more calm, more productive,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: more efficient, producing better outcomes. Do you have like any
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: strategy for just forget the career stuff and the brand
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and the exposure. But as a singer, is it just organic?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Do you have lessons? Do you have a coach? Do
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: you how do you get better as a singer and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: a writer. Mmm?
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: I just started going to a coach regularly, just because
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I think I need to have better technique that I
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: can rely on.
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  Speaker 2: Other than just this feels good and this feels good.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: That's not always the best for your vocal health. But
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: that's very recent. I really only notice the difference over time.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: There's a video on my Instagram where I show a
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  Speaker 3: video from four years ago where I first started doing
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  Speaker 3: a cover and the like the tone and the ease
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: of the runs and everything is so different now just
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: because of practice, you can let go more once that's
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: just in your base of knowledge now. Yeah, but I
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: don't know that I'm I've just been doing it so
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: much because I love to do it, and so you
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: just get better the more you do something, like with anything. Yeah, writing,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if I'm getting better. I'm just
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: getting better at not overthinking. I'm getting I'm expanding my vocabulary.
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  Speaker 3: That's really what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Over the years, you expend.
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  Speaker 3: Your vocabulary based on your taste and what you listen to,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: your options to choose from get wider. Yeah, so it
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: just seems like you're better, but you just have learned more.
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  Speaker 3: And now instead of these three notes that you usually
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: go to, now you have seven that you think of faster.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, same with writing, So then you can let
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: go more and it feels actually less like work. Yeah,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: because you know you just got this treasure trove of options.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I had to ask a cheesy, predictable question, but I
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: am genuinely interested. So you're on the voice, Uh, how
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: is that? How is that?
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: It was good? Uh? Hold on, let me try to
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  Speaker 3: answer honestly and not script.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I didn't even want to ask that question,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: but I think it's a significant thing, and I thought,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: how actually, how was I.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Tell you how it was?
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Let me get in comfortable position. First off, did not
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: expect to go on it. I that was the biggest surprise,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: and that was probably what led to my downfall, is
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: that during no part of it did I think, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I deserve this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was terrified to lose it the whole time. So
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: if I did anything like that ever again, I would
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: completely change that mindset. And you could tell too, And
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: how I was singing just blacked out.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Just remember the words, remember the words, hit the right note.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Things were forced. I wasn't breathing right. My heart rate
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: so fast, and that affects your breathing. That affects everything.
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  Speaker 3: You can't sing right if your heart's rates like going
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 2: But I did learn a lot through that experience.
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  Speaker 3: I learned like that I can perform under a lot
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: of pressure. Yeah, I I was angry upon leaving, and
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  Speaker 3: I learned that.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone has their.
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  Speaker 3: Time and nobody knows the reason why. I didn't understand
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: why I was leaving. At the time that I left,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I didn't understand some decisions that were made, and it
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: kind of doesn't matter. And I came to realize that
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: because for some reason, and I have understood the reasons now,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: my partner had to keep going. He needed more exposure,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: he needed to be in front of more people for
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: more time. And I was kind of good. I had
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: like a good following, I had a good basis and
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I had to leave the contract at that exact time
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: to be able to do the EP and sign with
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: the people that I'm signed with now and carry on
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: and put out my original music. But in that moment,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I just couldn't understand what I did wrong, and I
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: was just I beat myself up so bad. So yeah,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: it's kind of brutal to have a moment like that's
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: so public, but then everyone forgets about everything two days later,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: like everything else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so it's.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Just self involved to think, oh no, everyone's gonna no,
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  Speaker 3: everyone's gonna forget. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we didn't say it, so you're okay.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: It was fine, Like it was good. I'm not it
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: was great. It was just what was going on mentally.
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  Speaker 3: I know that it could have been better. I could
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: have done more mentally to propel myself, but I didn't
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: have the tools at the time. I was so new
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: to it. I felt like a baby.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How much writing do you do?
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Now I'm writing every day just because I'm working on
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: my new EP. But before I wrote musically, I did
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of free writing, which I don't know if
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: you're familiar with free writing.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like have you read.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: The Artist's Way.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: No, it's this book by Julia Cameron, and she wrote
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: it basically to help artists.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: It applies to writers, any type of artist, just tap.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Into creativity, and she readed this thing called morning pages.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: Will you write three type whatever, three stream of consciousness,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: just whatever it could be. I woke up today and
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I'm feeling bad and I have to do laundry, and
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: it could be just bullshit. Whatever is circling around your brain.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Realistically that day that if you don't get it out
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: on paper, is going to be swirling around and then
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: you just never get to the end point. Yeah, So
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: by spewing all this bullshit for three pages or however
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: much it takes every morning, you start to open up
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: the vessel to the ether to receive ether, but you
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: get it receiving more ideas and you just empty the
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: junk out. So I would either do that a lot,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: or I would just if I'm going through something stressful,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I would find that you have a lot of the answers.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: You have more answers than you think. You just haven't
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: gotten to the end.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: When you are forced to reach the end of the sentence,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: you find you know exactly what you need to do
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: to get yourself out of the rut. It's just so
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: annoying to get there. Yes, and there's so many thoughts
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: that get in the way. I'll be thinking I'm sad
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: today because someone and so said this, But.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I don't want to think about that.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I need to do my laundry and how many loads
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: do I need to do before my friends come over?
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: You just you jump away from that finishing the freaking
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: point and then if you're just like shit the rest
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: of the day, and then I don't make music. So
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: sometimes that helps either get the musical idea out or
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: just clear the bullshit that's not letting me.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: You know. One of the interesting things I'm thinking about
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: as you're talking is like, simultaneously we don't want to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: look for people's approval because that kind of compromises like
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: who we are and how we present ourselves. But at
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: the same time, for both of us, for your career
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: to work, you need people's approval, do you know what
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I mean? Because you want them to buy your music,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: you want them to come here, you sing, you want
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: them to do what we're doing now, which is to
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: you want raving fans. You need it.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: So I think in the middle of that practical reality
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: of well, I want people to listen to my podcast,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I want people to talk about it, I want people
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: to buy my books. I want people to you know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. But at the same time, I almost
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: need to forget about that in order for it to work.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Because people are drawn to authenticity.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: It's like a weird code. The more yourself you are,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: the less you care about it, the more they like
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: you because they see you don't care about it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's an irony. And it's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: like you like.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: A sixth sense. They can tell when you're faking it.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: You can tell when you're faking it, you can tell
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: when other people are faking it or performing. There's just
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: like something there that you're like, no, I'm you're not
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: talking to me.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's the gap between persona and person Yeah,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like, oh, this is not friend, this
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: is the Fran Show totally.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: You know. Maybe I just feel like when I bartend,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I get to see that a lot and when people's
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: personas drop, whether because they're drinking or they get comfortable.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: So I guess I observe that a lot, and I
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: see when people are being authentic and how that draws
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: people into whether it's a story or them talking about
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: themselves or whatever it is. But I love to observe
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: that at work. It's really interesting.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: H And another irony is like the more people try
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: and be likable, the less likable they are, like dude,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: don't don't or you know, like I don't even how
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: fuck it I'll say. You know, guys trying to impress women,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god stop, because trying to be impressive
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: is the opposite, Like it creates the opposite outcome of
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: what you think, because we all know what's going on, like, and.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Some women can spot that intention and see that they're
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: trying so hard and they feel bad and it it's sweet,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: but yeah, you know what I mean. Like, sometimes you
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: see a guy trying so hard and you're like, oh,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: you're really showing, like you're showing everything, like you're really trying.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: And that's endearing because in a way that's being authentic
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: because they're showing they really want it. Yeah, but it's
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: more like off putting when they're putting on a front
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: like their big shit and they're not and that's yeah,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: there's nothing to work with there, all.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Right, everyone, So we just took him any break because
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I chicily asked Frand if she would sing a song,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: and I probably should have checked with her before we
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: went live. But she said, yes, I'm very excited, So
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: tell us what you're gonna sing.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna sing your favorite Craig. I'm gonna do Joline
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: over Hallelujah. I'll just do a verse and a little chorus.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, ladies and gentlemen. Friend the singer.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: H your beauty is beyond compare with flaming lock of
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: auburn hair, with ivory skin and eyes of amalpleans.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Your smile is like a.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Breath of spring, your voices soft like samoan, and I
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: cannot compete with you.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Jolie Joly, Joly Jly Joly, Jolie, happen.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: He talks about in his sleep. There's nothing that I
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: can do to keep from crying when he calls you
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: the Jolie.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: And I can eas understand how you get easy.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Take my man, but you don't know what he means
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: me Jolie, Joe.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Joely Joely Joy Joe.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, very unprepared, a little rough, but you get it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Dude.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: You are a gift from God.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: You can have the part that was smoothest, cut out
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: the parts where I went it was.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: All phenomenal, like shut up, amazing amazing. Hey, well, I
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: think we need.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: To get decided if you want to put it in or.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: No, we're definitely going We're definitely putting that in. And Melissa,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: leave all this conversation into because.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: This is.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: So What I'm going to say is, thank you so
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: much for coming to chat with me. I want to
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: chat with you again, maybe in a few months, because
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: there's a few doors I'd like to open, and we
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: want to keep I want to keep supporting you and
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: keep promoting you and putting out the frand love to
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the world. We'll say goodbye, affair butt friend. Thank you
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: so much for chatting with me, Thanks for being real
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: and raw and vulnerable, and thanks for being part of
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: the you project.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Thanks Greg, I'll see you in Australia sometime.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Come on, dude, Mom