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The Kenny Report | 18 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Forget about cuts to power bills or a lower cost
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  Speaker 2: of living. Now the Treasurer wants to talk about tax increases.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's on his way home after Donald Trump's snub,
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  Speaker 2: but herebuss Elbow might head back for more. President Trump
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  Speaker 2: now has issued an ultimatum to Iran as Israel continues
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  Speaker 2: to bomb Iran's nuclear and missile facilities.
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  Speaker 1: I'll cross live to Israel later in the program.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll show you how a local council has delusions
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  Speaker 2: about delivering world peace. All that, plus the Wednesday wrangle
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  Speaker 2: and some wisdom from Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking. Let's start tonight on the news.
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  Speaker 2: We can use what's happening in this country when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to the cost of living and the economy, and
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  Speaker 2: the bottom line is that.
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  Speaker 1: We're in strife.
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  Speaker 2: Things are getting worse than the federal government has no
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  Speaker 2: idea what to do about it. New figures show the
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  Speaker 2: number of business closures has hit record highs businesses, mainly
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  Speaker 2: small businesses that represent the aspirations and hard work of
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  Speaker 2: mums and dads and families well Almost seven thousand of
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  Speaker 2: them have fallen over in New South Wales alone in
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  Speaker 2: less than a year, and there's been more than five
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  Speaker 2: thousand closures in Victoria, more than three thousand in Queensland,
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  Speaker 2: just over one thousand in the West, with just under
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  Speaker 2: a thousand in South Australia. Hospitality has been hit hard
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  Speaker 2: with accommodation and food outlets failing, but there have been
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  Speaker 2: plenty of closures in construction too. The main problem, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know the answer, rising costs, insurance, up electricity prices
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  Speaker 2: through the roof, and with power prices about to go
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  Speaker 2: up again by about ten percent in a couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 2: the squeeze only gets tighter with all this going on.
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  Speaker 2: The Federal treasure Jim Charmers gave a speech at the
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  Speaker 2: National Press Club today and you know what screamed out
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  Speaker 2: from his speech the loudest, Well, it was the issues
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  Speaker 2: of cost of living and cutting electricity prices.
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  Speaker 3: Under Labor, you'll have a government which cares about cost
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  Speaker 3: of living and has plans to deal with it, get
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  Speaker 3: power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 3: a year and to ease the pressure that too many
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  Speaker 3: Australians are feeling by twenty twenty five two hundred and
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  Speaker 3: seventy five dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those promises from the twenty twenty two election campaign,
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  Speaker 2: there was nothing about them today.
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  Speaker 1: The silence was deafening.
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  Speaker 2: The key promises from labor that they failed to deliver.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Charmers were just silent on them.
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  Speaker 2: No apologies, no reckoning, no new promises, just an unbelievable
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  Speaker 2: effort to put himself on the back.
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  Speaker 3: Now, when our first term we stabilized and strengthened our economy.
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  Speaker 3: We got inflation down, we got real wages up, we
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  Speaker 3: kept unemployment low, and we improved the budget position and
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  Speaker 3: important ways. We outperformed our peers. And we should be
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  Speaker 3: proud of that. But we shouldn't be satisfied with that.
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  Speaker 1: They should be proud. How smug can you get?
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  Speaker 2: Electricity prices went up by four times more than they
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  Speaker 2: promised to cut them. They didn't fix the cost of
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  Speaker 2: living crisis, so they don't even bother to promise any
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  Speaker 2: improvements this time around.
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  Speaker 1: And incredibly, just.
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  Speaker 2: Two months after being reelected, they're looking for ideas about
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  Speaker 2: what to do next.
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  Speaker 3: We've made good progress with more work already underway, but
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  Speaker 3: we know that we need to do more, and now
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  Speaker 3: is the best time to work out the next steps.
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  Speaker 3: That's why the roundtable that I'm convening in August is
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  Speaker 3: such a well timed opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this so called roundtable with business and unions, of
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  Speaker 2: course plenty of union input. This is where labor expects
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  Speaker 2: to get their economic reform ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about a vacuum at the top.
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  Speaker 2: And of course the most obvious and necessary ways to
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  Speaker 2: boost our economy and productivity can't be tackled by labor.
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  Speaker 2: They can't lower energy costs because they care more about
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  Speaker 2: net zero than they do about electricity bills. And they
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  Speaker 2: can't deregulate the labor market because they have to do
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  Speaker 2: what the unions tell them to do. So that pretty
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  Speaker 2: much leaves only one lever for them to tinker with.
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  Speaker 3: Now, no sensible progress can be made on productivity, resilience,
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  Speaker 3: or budget sustainability without proper consideration of more tax reform.
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  Speaker 3: I don't just accept that I welcome.
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  Speaker 1: That year tax They call it tax reform.
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  Speaker 2: You and I might know it as tax increases or
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  Speaker 2: new taxes, which is kind of the opposite of reform.
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  Speaker 1: For starters. The disgrace new.
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  Speaker 2: Supertax, the one that actually taxes unrealized gains, that is
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  Speaker 2: the horrible precedent of taxing people on what they might earn. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Charmers isn't even prepared to reconsider that one.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, we're not changing the policies we took
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  Speaker 3: to the election.
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  Speaker 2: Well, dear an economy facing record business closures and escalating costs,
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  Speaker 2: budgets in deep deficits as far as the eye can see,
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  Speaker 2: runaway cost blowouts in welfare and the NDIS, while not
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  Speaker 2: spending enough on defense, and the government that's out of
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  Speaker 2: ideas two months in and it wants new ideas on
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  Speaker 2: how to raise more tax Don't say we didn't warn you.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has wrapped up his trip to Canada
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  Speaker 2: for the G seven summit, the meeting where he was
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  Speaker 2: on the periphery and where he really only turned up
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  Speaker 2: to get his first face to face meeting with Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: which didn't happen. Before he left, Anthony Albanez, he started
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  Speaker 2: the list off all the other meetings he had with
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  Speaker 2: US officials and lesser world leaders.
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  Speaker 4: I had discussions with President mccron of France, Prime Minister
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  Speaker 4: Modi of India, Prime Minister Ramoposa of South Africa, Prime
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  Speaker 4: Minister Schoenbaum of Mexico, Prime Minister Maloney of Italy, as
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  Speaker 4: well as saying gooday to a whole bunch of other
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  Speaker 4: people during the.
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  Speaker 1: Day, a few goodays. How it all sounded a little desperate.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't it, given the Big Kurna shot through early and
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  Speaker 2: gave Albo short shrift.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, from Air Force one.
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  Speaker 2: The President managed to place a call to the Mexican
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  Speaker 2: President because his meeting was canceled too. But President Trump
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  Speaker 2: didn't reach out to Albo.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently, No, it hasn't.
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  Speaker 4: But I spoke with key advisors to the president. The
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  Speaker 4: President has been engaged, obviously with the circumstances around Iran
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  Speaker 4: and Israeli.
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  Speaker 2: And Albanesi refused to concede that the President's actions demonstrated
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  Speaker 2: a low priority on relations with Australia.
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  Speaker 5: Not at all.
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  Speaker 4: We're mature about the circumstances of what happened to perfectly understandable.
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  Speaker 4: Will reschedule a meeting from time to time, that is
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  Speaker 4: what occurs.
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  Speaker 2: Despite all that, Albanesi had nothing substantial to say on
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  Speaker 2: the issue of the moment the Middle East, and his
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  Speaker 2: Foreign minister confirmed that the PM might now try for
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  Speaker 2: another trip in just a week or so for the
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  Speaker 2: NATO summit, hoping again to meet Trump.
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  Speaker 6: That is something that is under consideration, obviously in relation
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  Speaker 6: not only to President Trump, but more broadly. We see
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  Speaker 6: the world at a dangerous point. We see the importance
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  Speaker 6: of collective action, collective discussion and engagement with other countries
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  Speaker 6: of the world. So obviously this is a decision for
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  Speaker 6: the Prime Minister. But I think he made clear to
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  Speaker 6: the Australian people this was the matter that he is
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  Speaker 6: considering carefully.
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  Speaker 2: And while Albaniz he had nothing serious to say about
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  Speaker 2: the Middle East, the issue preoccupying the President, Wong changed
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  Speaker 2: the government's language on the Israel Iran war. Whether it
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  Speaker 2: was the president snub, whether it was listening to critics
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  Speaker 2: or just coming to their senses, the Albernezi government has
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  Speaker 2: finally said something critical of Iran.
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  Speaker 6: Iran must come to the table. Iran must stop itsle
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  Speaker 6: any nuclear weapons program. That is the fastest way out
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  Speaker 6: of the danger Iran and the world, the region and
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  Speaker 6: the people face at this point.
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  Speaker 2: You don't say why it would take five days to
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  Speaker 2: come up with this language is staggering at least it's
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  Speaker 2: a start. Now, they need to endorse Israel's action, give
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  Speaker 2: it the same diplomatic support that Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: And the US have done.
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  Speaker 2: If Albo had something useful to say, maybe people would
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  Speaker 2: want to meet with him. In the Middle East, the
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  Speaker 2: conflict between Israel and Iran continues as the world awaits
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  Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump's next move. Israel has targeted air
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  Speaker 2: attacks on Iranian installations near Tehran and in other parts
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  Speaker 2: of the country, as President Trump has claimed that the
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  Speaker 2: Israel Defense Force controls the skies above Iran. Indeed, after
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  Speaker 2: Trump's warning for Iranians to evacuate Tehran yesterday, the IDF
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  Speaker 2: warned Iranians to evacuate a specific part of the city
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  Speaker 2: overnight as it began bombing a missile factory.
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  Speaker 1: Around the same time.
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  Speaker 2: There were alerts for incoming missiles and aircraft in northern Israel,
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  Speaker 2: but there are no reports of additional damage at this stage.
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  Speaker 2: Israeli media report the IDF again bombed Iranian nuclear facilities,
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  Speaker 2: raising more questions about whether they can complete that task,
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  Speaker 2: or whether US bombers will be required, and whether or
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  Speaker 2: not President Trump would give that order. If he did,
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  Speaker 2: it'd be consistent with his long stated aim.
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  Speaker 1: Believely, Iran will never have a nuclear weapon that I
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  Speaker 1: can turn it.
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  Speaker 7: Most importantly, the United States in isuel can declare with
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  Speaker 7: one voice that Iran must never be allowed to possess
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  Speaker 7: a nuclear weapon. Never ever reaffirmed that Iran must never
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  Speaker 7: be allowed to obtain, under any circumstances, a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 7: In order to ensure the other big book, the Iranian
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  Speaker 7: regime never obtains nuclear weapons. A regime with this track
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  Speaker 7: record must never be allowed to possess a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 1: Durand will never have a nuclear weapon now.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump has been active on social media overnight, using
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  Speaker 2: it to threaten the Iranian leadership. He posted that they
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  Speaker 2: knew where the Supreme Leader Aetola Khameni was hiding and
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  Speaker 2: that they could kill him, but they won't for now,
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  Speaker 2: warning Iran not to target civilians or American soldiers. The
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  Speaker 2: President also posted what appeared to be an ultimatum unconditional surrender.
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  Speaker 2: This is the bizarre world of war and diplomacy in
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  Speaker 2: the age of social media, hey and the age of
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. The exiled Crown Prince of Iran also took
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  Speaker 2: to social media, calling on Iranians to rise up and
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  Speaker 2: overthrow their Islamist extremist regime. Negarjo bodies domin naboshi I
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  Speaker 2: on Jiang.
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  Speaker 1: Nakahatch.
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  Speaker 2: He said his supporters have a one hundred day plan
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  Speaker 2: to transition Iran to democracy governed by Iranians for Iranians.
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  Speaker 2: There are reports of defiance against the regime, which is
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  Speaker 2: of course a religious extremist dictatorship that subjugates women and
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  Speaker 2: ethnic minorities, but it's impossible to verify these reports or
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  Speaker 2: get a reliable readout on the situation on the ground
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  Speaker 2: in Iran. For now, at least, it does appear clear, however,
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  Speaker 2: that Israel is dominating the war and that Iran is
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  Speaker 2: at its mercy. By the way, in case you're worried
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  Speaker 2: about the hopelessness of the United Nations and the International
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  Speaker 2: Atomic Energy Agency or NATO and other alliances when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to dealing with these issues in the.
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  Speaker 1: Middle East, rest assured.
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  Speaker 2: There's a new governing body eager to exert its influence.
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  Speaker 2: The Northern Beaches Council in Sydney last night considered a
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  Speaker 2: motion put up by a twenty one year old Green's
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  Speaker 2: counselor So. This council, for Sydney's idyllic beachside suburbs, heard
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  Speaker 2: the usual slurs against Israel, the hateful lies about genocide
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  Speaker 2: and war crimes and all the other hummas propaganda repeated
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  Speaker 2: by the UN, Amnesty and the media. And why why
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  Speaker 2: did they discuss this? Well, here's the counselor explaining.
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  Speaker 8: Whilst foreign policy is the responsibility of the Federal many
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  Speaker 8: Northern Beaches residents are horrified by the ongoing military attacks
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  Speaker 8: by the Israeli Defense Force on the people and infrastructure
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  Speaker 8: of Gaza. They would like us to do whatever is
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  Speaker 8: in our power to stop the bloodshed.
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  Speaker 2: Really, people on the Northern Beaches want their local council
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  Speaker 2: to do all it can to solve the Middle East crisis,
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  Speaker 2: to deliver world peace. I'll tell you what they're more
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  Speaker 2: likely to want. They might want the Council to stick
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  Speaker 2: to its knitting instead of indulging its councilors with this nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: On the very same night, mind you, that the council
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  Speaker 2: jacked up rates by twenty five percent. You heard it right,
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  Speaker 2: twenty five percent. No wonder ratepayers weren't so keen on
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  Speaker 2: the tilt at Israel and the promise of world peace.
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  Speaker 9: Green's councilor Ethan hen Jack has moved the motion about
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  Speaker 9: Israel and Hamas.
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  Speaker 1: How is this a local issue? How is it a
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  Speaker 1: local issue that.
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  Speaker 9: Affects the people of the Northern that doesn't counselor hendex
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  Speaker 9: motion shows a complete disregard for his role as counselor
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  Speaker 9: to manage the roads, the bins and the public service
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  Speaker 9: of ratepayers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, they're indulging in a hate fest against
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  Speaker 2: Israel while they're putting up rates by twenty five percent.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, if you go to the council website,
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  Speaker 2: you'll see a heap of highly paid jobs are on offer.
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  Speaker 2: Two hundred and forty grand a year for a financial officer,
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty grand for a beach safety manager.
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  Speaker 2: I've got my eye on that one and one hundred
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  Speaker 2: grand for a tree assessor. Maybe they could lop off
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  Speaker 2: a few of their own costs instead of sticking it
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  Speaker 2: to ratepayers. Yet again, Now, as it happens, the Middle
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  Speaker 2: East motion didn't pass, so I guess they won't.
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  Speaker 1: Need a job.
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  Speaker 2: Have a job advertisement for a manager of international relations
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  Speaker 2: or a Middle East peace negotiator. Let's go to Robin
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  Speaker 2: now and catch up with James Patterson who's now the
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  Speaker 2: shadow Finance Minister for the Coalition.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, James.
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  Speaker 2: I'll come to finance matters in a moment, but I've
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  Speaker 2: just got to get you on this Middle East situation first.
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  Speaker 2: Some strong language from Penny Wong today at least demanding
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  Speaker 2: that Iran give up its nuclear aspirations, but I think
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  Speaker 2: early on the Coalition's language was pretty soft on this.
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  Speaker 2: Can you be clear with us, does the Coalition support
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  Speaker 2: the action that Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Has taken against Iran?
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  Speaker 10: Well, Chris, I welcome the stronger comments from the Foreign Minister,
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  Speaker 10: but like you, I'm a bit amused why it took
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  Speaker 10: her so long as to whether or not Australia should
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  Speaker 10: be on the side of the liberal democracy and friendly
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  Speaker 10: nation which is trying to prevent an Islamist dictatorship from
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  Speaker 10: acquiring a nuclear weapon in contravention of all international laws
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  Speaker 10: and norms. Of course, the burden here falls on Iran.
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  Speaker 10: Iran is the one that has done the wrong thing
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  Speaker 10: seeking to acquire a nuclear weapon, and by making very clear,
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  Speaker 10: the purpose in doing so is to wipe the Jewish
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  Speaker 10: state off the face of the map. As many Iranian
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  Speaker 10: political and religious letters have said, over many years, so
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  Speaker 10: Australia's position should not be ambiguous in this. Our interests are,
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  Speaker 10: along with our like minded partners, including the United States
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  Speaker 10: and others, that Iran be prevented from gaining a nuclear weapon,
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  Speaker 10: preferably by them voluntarily choosing to give it up. But
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  Speaker 10: if not, then I understand why Israel has taken the
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  Speaker 10: action it has because it faces an existential threat here.
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  Speaker 2: So you support overtly the military action taken by Israel.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Benjamin didn't yet, you know who doesn't need the
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  Speaker 10: approval or support of the shadow Finance Minister of Australia
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  Speaker 10: for the actions he's taking. But I absolutely understand why
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  Speaker 10: he is doing what he is doing. If I was
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  Speaker 10: in his shoes, I would probably be compelled to make
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  Speaker 10: similar steps because Iran has made clear they are seeking
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  Speaker 10: nuclear weapons, and the purpose of those nuclear weapons is
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  Speaker 10: to wipe Israel off the map. For Israel, that's an
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  Speaker 10: exist threat. For the Middle East region, it's a serious
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  Speaker 10: security threat. But for the whole world, it undermines peace
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  Speaker 10: and security, and we all have an interest in preventing
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  Speaker 10: around from doing so.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 2: But the American government and American politicians have had no
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  Speaker 2: trouble overtly supporting Israel's action, it seems a little bit less.
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  Speaker 2: So from here I'm just interested in the next step.
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  Speaker 2: Would we support the US joining in the Israeli military
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  Speaker 2: action if they deem it's necessary.
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  Speaker 10: Loo kris I haven't been briefed on these matters for
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  Speaker 10: some time, so I'm loath to provide public military targeting
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  Speaker 10: advice to the President of the United States. But it's
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  Speaker 10: self evident from public reporting that the nuclear facility at
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  Speaker 10: four Doh has not been able to be dismantled or
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  Speaker 10: damaged by the Israelis, and many respected and formed antalysts
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  Speaker 10: say that only the United States has the capability is
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  Speaker 10: necessary to do that. I think if this conflict were
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  Speaker 10: to come to an end with Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities
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  Speaker 10: at four Doh tact and able to quickly speed to
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  Speaker 10: a bomb in a matter of weeks or months, that
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  Speaker 10: would be a terrible end to this crisis. Now that
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  Speaker 10: it has commenced, our interests are very clear. We want
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  Speaker 10: that facility dismantled. It can either be dismantled with the
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  Speaker 10: consent of the Iranian regime, or it can be dismantled
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  Speaker 10: by American leadership. But I don't think it's a realistic
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  Speaker 10: option for it to remain in place, because it was
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  Speaker 10: a threat to everyone.
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  Speaker 2: If it does, absolutely I couldn't agree with you more.
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  Speaker 2: Let me get to your portfolio now, and the treasurer
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  Speaker 2: of speech today on the economy, we know there are
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  Speaker 2: such pressures on the economy, business closures, escalating, insurance, electricity
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  Speaker 2: costs up. Yet when it comes to this productivity sum,
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  Speaker 2: and it seems that he's narrowed the focus down to
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  Speaker 2: tax reform, do you trust this labor government to come
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  Speaker 2: up with tax reform that might lower and simplify taxes
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  Speaker 2: or are we looking at some tax increases here, Chris.
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  Speaker 10: I think any Australian economists who's looked at our tax
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  Speaker 10: system recognizes that it doesn't raise revenue in the mostfficient
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  Speaker 10: form possible, and that there are reforms you could make
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  Speaker 10: to the Australian tax system which would give us a
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  Speaker 10: more productive economy. But you are right to be suspicious
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  Speaker 10: about Jim chalmers motivations here because it did appear to me,
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  Speaker 10: based on his comments at the Press Club today, that
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  Speaker 10: he is starting to prepare the ground for higher taxes,
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  Speaker 10: and you would be mad to think that the thing
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  Speaker 10: the Australian economy needs right now is higher taxes. We're
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  Speaker 10: in the midst of a productivity crisis. On Labour's watch,
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  Speaker 10: We've gone back a decade in productivity, back to twenty
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  Speaker 10: sixteen levels. We have a business investment crisis, we have
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  Speaker 10: a living standards crisis, which is dropped by six point
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: three percent on Labour's watch, and we have a budget
• 20:38
  Speaker 10: crisis with deficits as far as the eye can see
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: and one point two trillion dollars of debt. None of
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: those problems get solved by higher taxes. Even if you
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: thought you could solve the deficit problem with higher taxes.
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: The problem that you cause for yourself on the other
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: side is a less competitive economy, and international reports came
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: out this week showing that our competitiveness has slid backwards
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: on Labour's watch.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Taxes is not the answer.
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: And while we're prepared to be constructive, we're not going
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: to provide a blank check for labor just to increase
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: taxes on Australians.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Will you seek a seat at the table of the roundtable?
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: Well, I don't think you need to read the Treasurer's
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: comments at his press comments today too closely to make
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: it very clear he has no intention of inviting the
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: opposition into the room. He spoke about the limited seats
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: around the table of the Cabinet room as if there
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: are no other facilities of Ailble and Parliament House with
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: larger rooms that could invite more people. So I think
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: his intention is clear. There will assess the priorities that
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: come out of the summit on their merits. If there
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: are good ideas that are in Australia's national interest, we
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: will back them. We recognize productivity as a problem. The
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: Treasurer has admitted that it's a problem, but he's like
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: the arsonists turning up pretending to.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Be the firefighter.
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: These are fires that were started on Labour's watch in
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: their first term and now they're saying they're going to
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: have to fix it. We will help them fix it
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: if they've got good ideas that actually fix the problems.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: James Patterson, thanks so much for joining us.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Senator James Patterson, there now the Shadow Finance Minister joining us.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Live from Melbourne.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Let's go now live to Queensland and catch up with
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: One Nation founder and leader. Good to talk to you again, Pauline.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: We're talking about the cost of living there and I
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: talked a bit about at the top of the program.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: One nation has done a sample of attitudes across this
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: nation nation and concerns.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Surprise, surprise, cost of living is right up there.
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: It is cost of living this one that's on the agenda.
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: Also education, they fell in the classrooms, this racial discrimination
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: in the classrooms. Family law is a matter also, Charles
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: support and then you've got the nursing homes. COVID is
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: very much on the mind so people as well. So
• 22:43
  Speaker 11: it's cross section of feedback that we got from the
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: general public.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen the details of your survey.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I've seen the way you've summarized it, so I don't
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: know how big your sample it is or how scientific
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: But tell us about the cost of living.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Pressures, where's it hitting hardest, What areas are feeling, what
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: areas geographically are feeling the cost of living pressures hardest,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and what are the bills that are going up most
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: that are concerning people.
• 23:11
  Speaker 11: It's the electricity cost, Chris, that we're finding that's right
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: across the board with everyone doesn't matter whether you're in
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: the ceas, whether you're on rural and regional areas. But
• 23:20
  Speaker 11: the cost of living is being driven up by electricity costs.
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: Small businesses, industries manufacturing also feeling the cost of electricity
• 23:28
  Speaker 11: which is driving their productivity down. The cost of wages,
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: that's another thing that's also that businesses can't afford the
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: cost of wages, increase wages and all the other benefits
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: that are going with it. Every year, you know you're
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: getting extra like domestic violence, leeve you've got all these
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: other leaves and of course the businesses have to pay
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: for that, which is passed by the legislation in the parliament.
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: So it's really the cost of living is the factor
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: driving factor and I've spoken that many times on your
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: program that it needs to be ranged in if we
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: want to see productivity increase in our country, investment and
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: just listening to James Patterson, he's mentioned there a lot
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: of things that is hitting people across strata. But we
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: want to keep in touch with our members and the
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: people of Australia's political party to understand what their concerns
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: are and that's what drives policy with one nation. And
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: that was quite evident in the last election when we
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: put out policies with regards to pensioners in middle income
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: splitting to actually help people stay at home and also
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: self funded independent retirees. Cost living, we could drive it down,
• 24:35
  Speaker 11: put more money back in the pockets of astrains and
• 24:37
  Speaker 11: the cost of running governments that needs to be adhered to.
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: We need to look at why the cost is so
• 24:45
  Speaker 11: high and this government spending well.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I find it astounding that the government is having this
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: productivity roundtable just a couple of months after winning the election.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: You would have thought that had some ideas themselves on
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: how to improve the economy activity. But they're going to
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: have this roundtable to be a big union influence there.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: So in terms of freeing up the labor market, we
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: know that's not going to happen. He seems that is
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Jim Charmers seems to be focusing.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: On tax Now. Of course useful tax reform could be useful.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: But do you have any confidence that they're going to
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: actually try and streamline the tax system or are we
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: looking possibly at tax increases here in some sectors.
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: They have to There's only two ways of actually collecting
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: taxes is through productivity, raising that and income from our
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: resources that are sold to overseas, and that's where we
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: get a lot of our money from agriculture and the
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: mining sector. They're destroying both of them. So therefore the
• 25:40
  Speaker 11: other tax they can get is taxing people more so
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: when they look at increasing GST, which one nation totally opposes,
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: or they actually increase taxation. And this government has totally
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: constantly gone after high income earners in Australia, that is,
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: keep taxing them more and more, and the Greens encourages
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: that as well. Well, you can't keep taxing people that
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: are paying they're rightful taxes and paying more as well,
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: and giving out handouts to those people who don't want
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: to work instead around doing nothing. Think it's their right
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: to get a wealth of payment for their life because
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: they want their own standard of living, their own way
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: of life without contributing to society.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Pauline. I wish we had better
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: news for everyone, but we'll see what happens.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Pauline. Hands in there live and
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: queens that I stid by tax the other day.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: The amount of tax you're paying how these country is
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: not deep in the black.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know now coming up after the break.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Will delve more into the Middle East to get expert
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: analysis now on what President Trump's ultimatum to Iran might mean.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Still to come in the program, I'll be crossing Live
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: to Israel for all the latest and also with the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Wednesday Rangel, we'll look at how Arnold Schwarzenegger has weighed
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: into the American immigration debate.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: But for now, let's get back.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: To the Middle East issues and catch up with Peter
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Jennings from Strategic Analysis Australia joining US Live from Canberra
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: to get the latest analysis. Thanks for joining us again, Peter.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: It's astonishing to see the way these world events play
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: out now in the digital age, especially with someone so
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: addicted to social media as President Donald Trump. Because we
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: saw this truth social post go out overnight, obviously directed
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: at Iran, the President of the US saying unconditional surrender. Now,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: this is not a declaration from him, He's not surrendering
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: to anyone. This is very much a demand to the
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: ayatollers in Iran.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: What do you make of it?
• 27:43
  Speaker 12: Well, I thought back, of course to the Second World
• 27:45
  Speaker 12: War unconditional surrender of Germany, which meant, of course no
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: negotiations with the Nazi regime with you know, hundreds of
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: thousands of troops occupying the country at the time, and
• 27:57
  Speaker 12: nothing like that prevails in Iran or will prevail. So
• 28:02
  Speaker 12: goodness knows what Trump is really thinking. But you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: to try and put some interpretation into it, I guess
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: there's really two things which I think the regime has
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: to give up completely if it can be allowed to
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: survive at all. And that is firstly, nuclear weapons, let's
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: say at end, chemical and biological, and they've got to
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: do that in a way which means that people can
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: come in to determine the fact that those weapons have
• 28:25
  Speaker 12: been given up. And secondly, they've got to break all
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: ties with terrorist organizations Hamas has Belah, the Hooties and
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: so forth. And you know, these things are so sort
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: of deeply entwined into the DNA of the regime in Iran.
• 28:42
  Speaker 12: I can't see how they could give those things up.
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: And really, what that comes to, Chris is that, you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 12: it's one thing to say, destroy the nuclear weapons program,
• 28:51
  Speaker 12: but if you've still got the people in power that
• 28:54
  Speaker 12: actually created that in the first place, what have you
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: actually achieved.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Look, the other extrapolation from what President Trump is saying
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: in social media is that, of course, at the moment,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: America is not involved militarily directly.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Isn't he at least implicitly threatening that America will actually
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: join this war?
• 29:14
  Speaker 13: Oh?
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's been clear.
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: And the Americans have made no secret they are preparing
• 29:20
  Speaker 12: the ground for military intervention. They're pushing aircraft and ships
• 29:25
  Speaker 12: into the region, which makes that possible. And along with
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: everybody else, I except that a number one purpose of
• 29:33
  Speaker 12: that must be to use the so called Mother of
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: All bombs, the thing that can dig down deep enough
• 29:38
  Speaker 12: to hit those nuclear centrifugias in the mountain at Fodh,
• 29:43
  Speaker 12: and perhaps.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: One or two other targets besides. So I think that is.
• 29:49
  Speaker 12: Trump can choose not to do this, but I think
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: it's highly likely that we will see some American strikes
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: on those facilities, perhaps by the end of the week.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Chris, Yeah, that's what it's been looking like, hasn't it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I want to show you another post from Donald Trump.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: This one's more specific and indeed more personal. It's essentially
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: a threat to the AA tooler. He says, we know
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: exactly where the so called Supreme Leader is hiding.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: He's an easy target.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: But he's safe there for now because they're not going
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: to kill him. But he's basically suggesting that we will
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: take you out if you don't unconditionally surrender.
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: Trump has done this before with Taliban leadership in Afghanistan.
• 30:32
  Speaker 12: It's not a bad way of persuading your enemy that
• 30:35
  Speaker 12: they need to think carefully about their next move. And
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: I don't know that Trump can necessarily speak either for
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: the Israelis or for Mossads. So one thing that the
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: Israelis have demonstrated in the last week is they know
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: where a lot of the senior leadership of the Iranian
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: political regimes, plus the military, plus their intelligence services and
• 30:54
  Speaker 12: their scientists. So it's a complex time to be a
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: senior Iranian leader in many fields these days.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: So absolutely they have been extraordinary in targeting them. And
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: if you've got any influence in that regime at all,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you would be very, very worried at the moment. Thanks
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: so much for joining us, Peter. I appreciate it as ever.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Peter Jennings there live from Canberra. He's with Strategic Analysis Australia.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break. After the break,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: we're going live to Jerusalem. Jerusalem We're going to catch
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: up with a special envoy for the Israeli Foreign Ministry.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Israel now where it's ten thirty or
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: so in the morning. I want to catch up with
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Flur Hassan Nahoum, who's a special envoy for the Israeli
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Foreign Ministry. Good to talk to you again for I
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: want to start with the situation there. Overnight, from what
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I've seen from reports, not a lot.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Of alerts in Israel. There were some in the north
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: of Israel.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Has there been any missile damage to your country overnight?
• 31:58
  Speaker 14: So there were that's.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Really there were alerts in the north and central part
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: of Israel about ten to fifteen missiles I believed to
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: have been sent and no damage that we know of
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: at the moment. We've had some rough nights and I
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: don't know whether it's just my feeling or wishful thinking,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: but it seems to be getting their ability seems to
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: be getting weaker. So we've heard intelligence reports that essentially
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: they're moving to a more terrorist type way of throwing
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: rockets because we've managed to destroy all their launchers, but
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: this is still ongoing. Yesterday morning we had some alerts
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: they threw another fifteen. So during the day yesterday they
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: did throw about forty missiles to Israel, but ironically it
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: seemed to be a light day compared to the day before.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank goodness for that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Although your bombing rides in Iran, close to Teyran and
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: around the country have been carrying on a pace from
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: all reports, targeting missile launching facilities, missile manufacturing facilities, obviously
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the nuclear facilities at the outset. Benuminettnaw who talked about
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: this war or this attack lasting at least two weeks,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: do you have any idea how far into this process
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: you are, how much damage you've reaped, and whether the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: task is close to completion.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure the task is close to completion. The
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: assessment is or we've managed to do fifty percent of
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: what we set out to do. And the question really
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: is where the Americans join in a more active way,
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: because if they do, this could actually be a much
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: shorter war than if they don't. We will get there,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: but we would get there much quicker and normal painlessly
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: in terms of civilian casualties in Iran. If America gives
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: us its direct support, of course, they've been supporting in
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: many different ways, but everybody's waiting at the moment for
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: a President Trump's decision.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, obviously you've preempted what was going to be
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: my next question, and that is whether America joins the
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: phrase so to speak. Now, obviously there's been a lot
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: of focus on its ability with it with its B
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: two stealth bombers and the Mother of All bombs to
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: actually penetrate deeper into the ground and make sure Iran's
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: nuclear facilities are destroyed. But also just the fact that
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Americas involved would surely lead to perhaps a quicker surrender
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: or even overthrow of the regime in Tehran.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: What are you expecting to happen there.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Well, that's right, it would lead to something quicker. And
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: the main reason that we still really need the Americans
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: just because the main nuclear installations Inforda are ninety meters
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: underground and the only way you can destroy those capabilities
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: is through the bunker bombers that the Americans have, which
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: is well, doesn't MA And so yes, here's our can
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: do damage to FORDO, but we would be able to
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: really decapacitate them if we had those bunker bombers. And
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: I think that's the question, and Let's remember we're talking
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: about a regime that is killed over six hundred Americans.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: We are killing the people in the IRGC who are
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: directly responsible for the killing of American servicemen and women,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: as well as many other.
• 35:23
  Speaker 15: Servicemen and women from around the world. And so this
• 35:27
  Speaker 15: is what we're waiting for. But we pray that they
• 35:30
  Speaker 15: will join in a more active way. And also the
• 35:33
  Speaker 15: truth is, we pray for the Iranian people who have
• 35:36
  Speaker 15: been under the yoke of a repressive Islamist regime for
• 35:40
  Speaker 15: forty six years, a regime that kills their women in prisons,
• 35:44
  Speaker 15: anybody who says anything against them. There's thousands and thousands
• 35:48
  Speaker 15: of prisoners right now, people innocent, people who spoke out.
• 35:53
  Speaker 15: They've killed so many different activists, especially women, and so
• 35:58
  Speaker 15: these are really very try bad people who have been
• 36:01
  Speaker 15: terrible to their own people. We would be I've been
• 36:04
  Speaker 15: doing a huge service to the entire world, but especially
• 36:07
  Speaker 15: to the Iranian people, eighty percent of which you really
• 36:09
  Speaker 15: want to get rid of this very toxic region they've
• 36:12
  Speaker 15: been living under.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Well, this is a key point, as you say, with
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: military capabilities knocked out and still being knocked out. If
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Iran turns to terrorism, where it's been the past master
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: of exporting terrorism around the world, especially against Israel. It
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: just shows that the regime is the problem. Sure, you
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: want to get rid of the nuclear threat and the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: missile threat, but as long as this regime exports terrorism,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: it remains a problem. Now, the exiled Crown Prince of
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Iran has called on Iranians.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: To rise up.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: He says he has a one hundred day plan to
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: install democracy there and to effectively transfer to a.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Transition to a democratic situation.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: How much work has Israel done on either trying to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: instigate that or support that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Look, Ultimately, our aim is very clear. We need to
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: get rid of the nuclear threat, which is an existential
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: threat to our country. We would love for the Ranian people.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: We're laying the groundwork for the Uranian people to overthrow
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: this horrible regime. We've killed so much of the leadership.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: HARMANI is feeling very isolated right now. He's appointed a
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: bunch of replacement that he's not happy, and so this
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: is the moment. But we are not there for any
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: type of adventurism. We are there to eliminate the threat
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: against us, and we will lay the ground and help
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: the Iranian people. But it's ultimately them who have to
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: decide what government they want and what leaders they want
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: to start.
• 37:43
  Speaker 16: Up.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: To us, we can only lay the groundwork for them
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: to be able.
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: To do that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Fur Hassan Nahum, thanks so much for joining us. I
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Hassan Nahum.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: There who's a special envoy to the Israeli Foreign Minister.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Also the Themer Deputy of Jerusalem joining us live from Jerusalem. Now,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: let's get to a break. On the other side of that,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: we've got the Wednesday wrangle.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Liza and Justin will join me.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about the terminator, the former California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: He's wayed into the immigration debate.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Now I've got to show you a follow up to
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: those la riots that were dominating the news not so
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: long ago. They've died down now and the curfew has
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: been lifted. But as you know, the riots were triggered
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: by the Trump administration's cracked down on illegal immigrants, especially
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: illegal immigrants with criminal convictions. People were being arrested and
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: detained and many were deported, sparking the protests and the riots.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Even though Democrat presidents have rounded up and deported even.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: More illegal immigrants. In the past.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: The Democrat governor of California joined the usual leftist pylon
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: against Donald Trump.
• 38:56
  Speaker 13: When I see people disapparing no due process, they disappear
• 39:00
  Speaker 13: so a federal facility. They may end up a day later,
• 39:03
  Speaker 13: maybe hours later, in Louisiana, Texas, their family nowhere known't
• 39:08
  Speaker 13: where they is. That's Trump's America right now, and he's
• 39:12
  Speaker 13: planted out not just in the streets of California, and
• 39:14
  Speaker 13: this is starting to take shape all across the country
• 39:16
  Speaker 13: right now. This is a preview of things to come.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: So that's the background, you know, the drill. Now watch
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: what happened when the.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Former movie star on former Republican state governor, Arnold Schwarzenegget
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: turned up on that lefty chat show The View, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: he was asked for his view on the rights.
• 39:35
  Speaker 16: I just think the world of the great kind of
• 39:37
  Speaker 16: history that we have with immigrants in America. But the
• 39:40
  Speaker 16: key thing also is at the same time that you've
• 39:42
  Speaker 16: got to do things legal. That is the important thing,
• 39:45
  Speaker 16: you know. So you've got to do things legal. And
• 39:48
  Speaker 16: those people that are doing illegal things in America, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 16: they're the foreigners, they are not smart.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not smart.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: You could say that Annie exterminated there argue, but he
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: had more.
• 40:02
  Speaker 16: The important thing is when you become an immigrant, to
• 40:06
  Speaker 16: think about, Okay, I go to America because I want
• 40:08
  Speaker 16: to use America for the great opportunities that America has
• 40:13
  Speaker 16: in education, in jobs, creating a family, all of those
• 40:16
  Speaker 16: kind of things. Then you have to think about, Okay,
• 40:19
  Speaker 16: if I get all of those things from America, then
• 40:22
  Speaker 16: I have to give something back. You have a responsibility
• 40:25
  Speaker 16: as an immigrant to give back to America.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the very embodiment of the American immigrant success story.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: He says, arrive legally, abide by the law, and give
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: back to your adopted country. Not exactly what the viewpanel
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: wanted to hear. Let's get into some Wednesday wrangling now
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: with Justin Smith, columnist and author, live from Melbourne and
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Lisa got a dining media joining us live from hometown Brisbane.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to both of you.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: What do you think about Arnie there, Lisa, He gave him.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: A bit of a truth bomb on the view.
• 41:02
  Speaker 17: God, could you imagine the reaction weopen.
• 41:04
  Speaker 18: Goldberg must have been sitting there just going, oh no,
• 41:07
  Speaker 18: what is he saying he's meant to be on our side,
• 41:09
  Speaker 18: not speaking some common sense, because you don't very often
• 41:12
  Speaker 18: hear that on the View. But what I loved is
• 41:14
  Speaker 18: there was actually an applause.
• 41:15
  Speaker 17: For the audience.
• 41:16
  Speaker 18: So go figure that you've got the view audience, You've
• 41:18
  Speaker 18: got Arnie saying, well, immigrants need to behave make your bed,
• 41:21
  Speaker 18: keep the place clean, do the right thing.
• 41:23
  Speaker 17: Give back. Audience approves much.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Sure the panel did, Yeah, exactly.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: It's interesting though, I suppose they thought he might have
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: a different view, justin because he's an immigrant himself. But
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I find it in this country it's immigrants to this
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: country who are often more I suppose, strident about the
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: need for people to obey the immigration laws. Immigration is great,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: but if I came here legally and did the right thing,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: then I expect you to do the same.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I yeah, that's a good point.
• 41:54
  Speaker 14: This thing about Arnie though, Come, I thought he was
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: supposed to be a tough guy. Have a listened back
• 41:59
  Speaker 14: to that that wishy, washy bob each way kind of answer.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Other has thought he's supposed to be the.
• 42:07
  Speaker 14: Terminator that that was as weak as hell. But let's
• 42:11
  Speaker 14: not this immigration crackdown. I mean the immigrants, and even
• 42:15
  Speaker 14: the illegal immigrants are such a big part of the
• 42:17
  Speaker 14: economy in America. I mean, this is America for you.
• 42:20
  Speaker 14: They have guns and they wonder why people get shot,
• 42:23
  Speaker 14: and then they allow the immigrants to be such a
• 42:25
  Speaker 14: big part of the economy, and then they wonder why
• 42:27
  Speaker 14: there are immigrants. Let's not forget what it's all about here.
• 42:29
  Speaker 14: It's all about Trump trying to look tough. It's all
• 42:32
  Speaker 14: about Trump rolling the military and the power into there.
• 42:35
  Speaker 14: It's all Trump, Trump Trump. If you think this is
• 42:37
  Speaker 14: a real crackdown on immigration in America, you've been sold apart.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for once I kind of agree with Justin,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: but probably not for the reasons.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, right down the time and date this happened,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I've got to write exactly, but you're not going to
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: like life. Just the reason is it is all about Trump,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Trump Trump. That is exactly about Trump, Trump Trump. Because Lisa,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: under Democrat presidents.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: We've had even more illegal migrants arrested and deported back
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: in the Obama days, and there were no riots and protests.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Then people just accepted that that's the law. But because
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Trump's doing it, suddenly it causes a riot.
• 43:26
  Speaker 17: Yeah, exactly.
• 43:27
  Speaker 18: Look and Trump is doing exactly what he said he
• 43:29
  Speaker 18: would do, so there's no surprise and that he's cracking
• 43:32
  Speaker 18: down on immigration. And justin to your point, immigration is great,
• 43:35
  Speaker 18: but it's the illegal immigration that they've got a problem with.
• 43:37
  Speaker 18: That's very clear, that's not disputed, and that's what people
• 43:40
  Speaker 18: are standing up to and saying, Look, if you come
• 43:42
  Speaker 18: here illegally, we don't want you. If you are here,
• 43:44
  Speaker 18: then assimilate, be part of our community. Be respectful of
• 43:47
  Speaker 18: the fact that you are similar in this country. America
• 43:50
  Speaker 18: beat Australia, jo in this country because you have chosen it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I think Trump likes to trick it all up to
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: to make it look like he's a little bit more
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: dramatic than he really is.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And so you get that backlash.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Let's come back to Australia, where much more sensible country.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Of course, we've got the local government, the Northern Beaches
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Council and Sydney other beautiful part of the world where
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: people live right up against some of the best beaches
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: in a wonderful climate.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Is literally heaven on the earth.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: But they want to solve the Middle East, they want
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: to end the war and.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Their council is going to do it. Listen to this
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Green's counselor.
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: Whilst foreign policy is the responsibility of the federal government,
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: many Northern Beaches residents are horrified by the ongoing military
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: attacks by the Israeli Defense Force on the people and
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: infrastructure of Gaza. They would like us to do whatever
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: is in our power to stop the bloodshed.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Justin do you really think the rate players of the
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Northern Beaches want their council to deliver world peace?
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: I was going to say, there's a guy who's planning
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: to run for the Senate one day into the future,
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: or at least he's hoping to. Look, I'm you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: I'm for world peace, and I'm obviously for people we're
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: espousing it wherever they can.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, well, but that's right.
• 45:12
  Speaker 14: It's kind of an obvious thing, isn't It's a politician
• 45:14
  Speaker 14: Like when a politician says, oh, I'm all for health
• 45:16
  Speaker 14: and education and you know, better roads, and yeah, will
• 45:19
  Speaker 14: name me a politician who isn't. It's kind of just
• 45:21
  Speaker 14: so obvious that they don't. Look, it's just going to
• 45:26
  Speaker 14: be frank, it's just I like the sentiment, but it's
• 45:29
  Speaker 14: just garbage. It's just sort of I'm all for world peacely,
• 45:35
  Speaker 14: so I just don't think it's going to be delivered
• 45:37
  Speaker 14: by Miss Universe or the Northern Beaches Council.
• 45:41
  Speaker 18: The dolphins might be saved by Miss Universe. We look
• 45:44
  Speaker 18: un lest he knew that it was a federal government
• 45:45
  Speaker 18: that was responsible for foreign policies.
• 45:47
  Speaker 17: You have to give him a tick there. Look what
• 45:49
  Speaker 17: is he twenty one?
• 45:50
  Speaker 18: I think there was some reference to his greatest experience
• 45:52
  Speaker 18: in life as far as business guys, was working at
• 45:54
  Speaker 18: Kentucky Fried Chicken. So he needs to go back to
• 45:57
  Speaker 18: understanding exactly what the role is of local council.
• 46:00
  Speaker 17: Look at the rates, roads and rubbish.
• 46:01
  Speaker 18: You talked about garbage, Well, he needs to focus on
• 46:03
  Speaker 18: getting the garbage collected, not trying to interfere and thinking
• 46:06
  Speaker 18: he could make some grand stands and waste so much
• 46:08
  Speaker 18: time on the same night that they both in a
• 46:11
  Speaker 18: twenty five percent pay right, so he actually.
• 46:13
  Speaker 17: Will told after all of that.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: A.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Stuck ratepayers for a twenty five percent increase in their rates,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: just staggering on the same night.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: They obviously count not a good council. Oh man. They
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: need a sister city relationship with guards and other sort
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: things out and delivered world peace.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Now justin there's a there's a there's this game of
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: sport on tonight. Some people call it footy. I still
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: can't quite think of it as footy. But rugby league,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: state of origin Queensland versus New South Wales playing in Perth.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Strangely enough, is it getting much attention in Melbourne?
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Or is this all anathema to you?
• 46:57
  Speaker 14: What are you talking about? New South Wales? And who
• 47:00
  Speaker 14: someone else Queen Queens are doing? They're playing a game somewhere.
• 47:03
  Speaker 14: Where are they playing?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: What is it play?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's in Perth and it's it's rugby league,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: State of Ireland.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Have to look it up. Yeah, okay, oh good luck
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: to them. Good luck. No need to ask you.
• 47:15
  Speaker 18: Lisa, Well, Afi boys, you'll be on.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: The morons, no doubt. Lisa. Looking to get some revenge
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: and put it to a decider. Surely what's that game?
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: What do they play?
• 47:25
  Speaker 17: It has to go to a decider? Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:29
  Speaker 18: I let the team down tonight because I walked into
• 47:30
  Speaker 18: the office this morning and the whole team.
• 47:32
  Speaker 17: Looked at me and said, where's your marone?
• 47:34
  Speaker 18: So it's black Ben, I'm Sorry, I let the state
• 47:38
  Speaker 18: down on that one. But yes, come on, you have
• 47:40
  Speaker 18: to be watching that game tonight at least.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Look, I'll tell you what I might even win.
• 47:44
  Speaker 17: It's a win to make a decider.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: We would like to see a third game.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: You want to you want to decider back over here
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: where people watch rugby league.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Why Perth is involved? I've got no idea, but we
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: will see. Thanks for joining us, Lisa and Justin. We'll
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: catch you next week and we'll see whether or not
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to the marone. Do get up.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I just want to finish up with some of your
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: feedback from what we had to say last night here
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: on the program, I talked about Albert Easy being snubbed
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: by Donald Trump in Canada.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: One viewer says Albo is out of his leg.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Trump doesn't have time for silly leftist parrots with silly
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: attitudes and silly policies. Another viewer says this is a
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: direct consequence of the Australian people voting for a flog leader.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Well that's a bit nasty.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Brady says Albow was at the kids table at the
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Christmas absolutely irrelevant.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: He has made himself irrelevant on these issues.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: And Linn says ma I can't think of any Australian
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: that would want to meet albo Oh.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Come on, lots of people like him.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Here and one says why would Trump hold a meeting
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: when most of the Australian media vilify him as an individual,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: as if we're all perfect. I don't think the President
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: cares what the Australian media thinks about him. I think
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: there are bigger issues at play than that. Thanks for watching.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter