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Ohio State Spring Football: How Much Is The Defensive Line Improving? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to buck Eyes tomorrow morning for Wednesday, March twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: we're in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center, Tom Moore Jones
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  Speaker 1: but joined by Tony Gerderman. Just get a chance to
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  Speaker 1: talk to Larry Johnson and sort of a smattering of
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  Speaker 1: the defensive lineman, not all projected starters, some guys who
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  Speaker 1: are who was kind of an interesting mix of guys,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of veterans though, so I think that was
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  Speaker 1: sort of the through line for a lot of it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you choose because there's a bunch of different
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: CJ.
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  Speaker 1: Hicks, I know, is like the big topic of interest.
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  Speaker 1: Edward Houston is sort of the guy who's maybe coming on.
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  Speaker 2: The fastest logan.
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  Speaker 1: George is the new guy who is like the international
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  Speaker 1: man of mystery, even though Idaho is not technically international.
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  Speaker 1: So you you choose, well, we'll do a choose your
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  Speaker 1: adventure to talk to talk about Logan George. Turn to
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  Speaker 1: page seventeen to talk about c. J.
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  Speaker 3: Hicks. Turn to page why not page eleven?
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  Speaker 2: That's yeah, you know, you know what, let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: c J.
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  Speaker 3: Hicks.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to put numbers.
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  Speaker 4: One guys, so you mentioned the one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 4: seven days until Texas. As we speak with these players,
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  Speaker 4: it is one hundred and fifty eight days.
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  Speaker 3: Because CJ.
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  Speaker 4: Hicks also talked about one hundred and fifty eight days
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  Speaker 4: because he was asked, do you feel this is your
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  Speaker 4: last year?
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel pressure to like.
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  Speaker 4: Make everything work at defensive end? He's like, yeah, there's pressure,
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  Speaker 4: but there's also time. There's one hundred and fifty eight
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  Speaker 4: days till Texas. It's like, why do you know this?
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  Speaker 4: And it's like we talk about it every day. So
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  Speaker 4: we talked about this yesterday. Yes, but where this is a.
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  Speaker 3: Not a rallying crime, but.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like, hey, that's out there, Texas is every
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  Speaker 4: single day they talk about it, so they need to
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  Speaker 4: be ready because Texas is certainly pointing towards Ohio state
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  Speaker 4: and wanting to be ready.
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  Speaker 3: So I just think that part was interesting.
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  Speaker 4: But overall, spending a lot of time with Larry Johnson
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  Speaker 4: Matt Patricia after after practice working on all of the
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  Speaker 4: little things and he's gonna have to get better at
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  Speaker 4: run stopping. And they just haven't had pads on for
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  Speaker 4: two days, so that still has yet to be developed.
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  Speaker 4: And that's not necessarily something that will happen in great
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  Speaker 4: portions in the spring with the way they're planning to
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  Speaker 4: do it.
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  Speaker 3: But everybody's upbeat.
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  Speaker 4: A bottom we saw while some of these interview views
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  Speaker 4: are going on, Matt Patricia had him back there and
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  Speaker 4: they were working on like hands and steps and things
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  Speaker 4: like that. So he's taking it all in because he
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  Speaker 4: knows it is his last year, but also to him,
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  Speaker 4: they're still well over one hundred.
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  Speaker 1: And fifty days to be ready for sure, and we
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  Speaker 1: will keep you we'll keep you abreast of that situation
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  Speaker 1: as it develops as week as that game gets a
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  Speaker 1: little closer. He did say right before you walked up,
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  Speaker 1: he did say that he thinks this fits his play
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  Speaker 1: style more lets him be more aggressive now he's just
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  Speaker 1: working on getting off the ball, holding the edge in
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  Speaker 1: the run. He's two hundred and forty pounds or so
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  Speaker 1: right now, thinks he might get to two forty five
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  Speaker 1: or so by the start of the season. Does Love
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  Speaker 1: Love coach Patricia said, Patricia maybe kind of pointed to
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  Speaker 1: like Willie McGinnis as someone who might be sort of
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  Speaker 1: camp for him, or you know, this might be a
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  Speaker 1: guy you could sort of be like. And he said,
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  Speaker 1: he actually has worked with Willie McGinnis, but it was
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  Speaker 1: at one of those camps when he was like a
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  Speaker 1: high school junior and he was an off ball guy
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  Speaker 1: at that point, so it was like all different stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But he does actually worked.
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  Speaker 3: With him well.
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  Speaker 4: And then Dan Hope from eleven Laires asked him, you
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  Speaker 4: know when you does the example of Michael Parsons and
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  Speaker 4: Abdill Carter at Penn State that move from linebacker to
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  Speaker 4: defensive end, does that give you some encouragement. He's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but I you know, you said it does, but I'm
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  Speaker 4: my own player. And then Toy He's like, yeah, but
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  Speaker 4: you were number eleven just like.
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  Speaker 3: Those two guys did.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like it's true, Yes, yeah, it's true. So all right,
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  Speaker 1: so let's move on now from C. J. Hicks to
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  Speaker 1: Logan George because I think he's sort of a really
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  Speaker 1: I feel like he kind of have a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a sense for like the starting four. You kind
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  Speaker 1: of know what you got with Kenyata Jackson. You kind
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  Speaker 1: of know what you got with Kayden Curry and Kaden
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  Speaker 1: McDonald and and uh Edward Houston, and we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: those guys a little bit. Logan George is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a mystery right now because he came from
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  Speaker 1: the f CS level. Larry Johnson talked about the fact
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  Speaker 1: that he, you know, he knew Logan George from like
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  Speaker 1: the same high school as you know, the same high
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  Speaker 1: school as Tommy TOGIAI, so like knew some of the
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  Speaker 1: same people, so you kind of have a sense for
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  Speaker 1: who he is. That's still a really big jump from
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  Speaker 1: Idaho State to Ohio State.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and especially when you look at the defense they
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  Speaker 4: played in, which was like a three three five stack
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  Speaker 4: where he plays defensive end, but so much of his
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  Speaker 4: movement is like attacking the center and the guard or
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  Speaker 4: the guard and the tackle. Like he doesn't he's not
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  Speaker 4: outside much at all, unless it's like a passing down.
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  Speaker 4: They let him go out there. But so this is
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  Speaker 4: there's a learning process of this kind of defense. But
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  Speaker 4: he talked about being able to learn from watching Jack
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  Speaker 4: Sawyer and J T. Tw Molilaw during the last couple
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  Speaker 4: of Bowl games. So that's a pretty good example. He
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  Speaker 4: was asked, so when did you, like, when did when
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  Speaker 4: did Ohio State call?
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  Speaker 3: And when? What was that?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 4: He's like, I was on my way to dinner, my
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  Speaker 4: phone rang, There's Larry Johnson. It was amazing, and then
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  Speaker 4: somebody else that's I met it was pretty good. Dinner's like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: it was a really good dinner.
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  Speaker 3: So very excited about that. And you know he's like C. J.
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  Speaker 4: Hicks, soaking it all in because you know he's still
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  Speaker 4: got a couple of years. He's a Retcher junior now live,
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  Speaker 4: so he's got two years. But this learning process, all
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  Speaker 4: of this spring is about learning so that when Paul
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  Speaker 4: camp starts he can be a contributor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it feels to me like contributor this year,
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  Speaker 1: bigger role slash starter next year is probably a reasonable
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  Speaker 1: track for him. When you bring in a multi year guy,
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  Speaker 1: that really changes the expectations a little bit on what
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get year one. Yeah, He's definitely an interesting
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  Speaker 1: person to watch on that line. Someone else I think
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  Speaker 1: is probably near the top of my list of guys
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  Speaker 1: I'm most interested in seeing this year and like what
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  Speaker 1: they're going to do in their new roles is Edward Houston.
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  Speaker 1: Edrick Houston is he ended up so far ahead of
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  Speaker 1: and also in a different place than I expected him
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  Speaker 1: to as a true freshman and on the defensive line
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  Speaker 1: that is not a place where you normally see that,
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  Speaker 1: So to see it and then to see him take
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  Speaker 1: on a like an actual role as three tech and
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  Speaker 1: a team that won the national championship as a true freshman,
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  Speaker 1: now I'm looking at the sophomore year and going.
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  Speaker 2: All right, what do we what do we get? What's
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  Speaker 2: what's act to here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? No kidding.
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  Speaker 4: He moved from like number six defensive end to number
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  Speaker 4: four defensive tackle, which I think it's a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of a statement about the position group at the defensive tackle,
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  Speaker 4: but also he was then playing and it took him
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  Speaker 4: all of about a week and a half to become
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  Speaker 4: a defer to go from defensive end to defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 4: He did that during the bye week, and I asked
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  Speaker 4: him like, did you did you feel pressure to be
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  Speaker 4: ready for that game, knowing like, Okay, I got one
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  Speaker 4: week to get this and I need to know all
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  Speaker 4: my lines and when the music hits, I gotta be ready.
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  Speaker 3: I got a solo, I got the squared dance.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And he was like there was no pressure because
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  Speaker 4: Coach j told him like, we'll go when you're ready.
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  Speaker 4: So I thought that was interesting. But and you saw
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  Speaker 4: the snaps kind of rise and go on from from
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  Speaker 4: the early stages. And he said it fits his game
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  Speaker 4: in a free tech because he's can use the speed,
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  Speaker 4: he's a pass rusher. Feels very comfortable. He said, I
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  Speaker 4: just want to help the team. Whatever it takes, I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna do it.
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  Speaker 3: And that's one of the things.
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  Speaker 4: That Ryan Day talks about in recruiting, where you got
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  Speaker 4: to recruit the guys that can handle the culture. And
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  Speaker 4: that's part of being part of the culture is willing
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  Speaker 4: just to move. And you know, he's a guy that
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  Speaker 4: was one of the five star defense men. Why should
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  Speaker 4: I move anywhere? He's like, I'll move wherever, and and
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  Speaker 4: so you know he's he's gonna be fun to watch.
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  Speaker 4: I mentioned I asked Larry Johnson how does he compare
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  Speaker 4: to Draymond Jones. He's like, well, it's too early for that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to get into that. But those are
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  Speaker 4: both two big defensive ends that moved to defensive tackle
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  Speaker 4: pretty early in their careers, and as a recher freshman,
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  Speaker 4: Draymond Jones was ridiculous, I'm not expected then I was gonna.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what to expect.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, it's not fair to expect any
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  Speaker 4: kind of like season like Draymond Jones had in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: But I think he's gonna make the place, yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, when you're talking about Larry Johnson sort
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  Speaker 1: of like reassuring him.
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  Speaker 2: That kind of goes back to.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things we hear Larry Johnson talk about
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  Speaker 1: a lot over the years, which is, you want guys
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  Speaker 1: to be in there when they're ready.
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  Speaker 3: You're not.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a rush, they're not gonna you're gonna put
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  Speaker 1: him in a success it is a situation where they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna succeed, and so you're not gonna just throw a
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  Speaker 1: guy in and it's like, well, good luck out there.
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  Speaker 1: It's Larry Johnson has made a very consistent thing over
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  Speaker 1: the years to wait until you have a situation you
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  Speaker 1: want to You know, Chase Young, when Chaise Young was
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  Speaker 1: a freshman, he was out there, but he was out
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  Speaker 1: there in situations where Chase Young, as a true freshman,
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  Speaker 1: could succeed.
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  Speaker 2: That's something with.
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  Speaker 1: Larry Johnson has gotten very good at it seems like
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  Speaker 1: over the years. And so you know, not surprising that
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  Speaker 1: you saw Edward Houston out there succeeding when he was
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  Speaker 1: out there. He was more to me a surprise to
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  Speaker 1: see him out there because that felt like Larry Johnson
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  Speaker 1: felt like, Wow, this guy can already succeed at a
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  Speaker 1: different position.
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  Speaker 4: As a true freshman, right because I mean he could
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  Speaker 4: have very easily put Tywan Malone out there.
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  Speaker 3: Instead, it was it was Edric.
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  Speaker 1: Houston, and he did mention Taiwan Malone. He was asked
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  Speaker 1: about ty One Malone. He talked about the fact the
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  Speaker 1: same thing that you always hear when he Tuck bring
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  Speaker 1: up Taiwan Malone, which as well, he was a baseball
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  Speaker 1: player for a couple of years. That really set him back.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like now like okay, maybe you're finally through
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  Speaker 1: that and you're sort of caught up.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe this is a little bit more of an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity there.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Moore with someone he talked about just he's finally
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  Speaker 1: getting more reps.
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  Speaker 2: He just needs to play more, needs to do something
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, he is finally getting the opportunity now,
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  Speaker 1: he's got.
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  Speaker 2: To capitalize on that.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go back to the kind of starters on the
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  Speaker 1: defensive line, presumptive starters of the defensive line. Kenyata Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: He was not out here for very long, but you
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  Speaker 1: know he is. He's quick in a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: that he does at that defensive end position.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and we've talked over the last month or so
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  Speaker 4: about how we keep hearing that kind of leader that
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  Speaker 4: he is in the defensive line room now. And he
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  Speaker 4: was talking about that and one of the points of
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  Speaker 4: being a leader is like you have to lead different
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  Speaker 4: guys different ways.
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  Speaker 3: And knowing how to lead that that's something he learned
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  Speaker 3: from Jack Sawyer and J. T.
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  Speaker 4: Tuey mull Awhile, like, I can't lead Kate McDonald the
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  Speaker 4: same way I lead Logan George the same way I
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  Speaker 4: lead Edric Houston. So I thought that was interesting where
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  Speaker 4: you've got to just stuff that you would never even
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  Speaker 4: think about like, I can't yell at this guy. I
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  Speaker 4: can't yell at this guy. This guy needs this kind
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  Speaker 4: of encouragement. This guy needs that kind of encouragement and
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  Speaker 4: the fact that all of this matters.
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  Speaker 3: To you, like this is this is your leader.
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  Speaker 4: And that's just interesting to watch him talk about that,
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  Speaker 4: because this is a guy who he played quite a
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  Speaker 4: bit last year.
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  Speaker 3: But has never played as much as you like he
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  Speaker 3: had a roadblock with the.
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  Speaker 4: Two guys in front of him, and he hasn't let
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  Speaker 4: that stop him from being a leader. And I know him,
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  Speaker 4: Kit and Curry like they're all excited about finally the
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  Speaker 4: horizon is here.
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  Speaker 3: They've reached it and they're ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is not a this is not a
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  Speaker 1: comp in terms of what the outcome is gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: But it feels like the year where you had like
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  Speaker 1: the guys who were behind Pete Warner, a tough Worland
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  Speaker 1: and those guys like you know that that didn't pan
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  Speaker 1: out for several of those guys, but it was like
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  Speaker 1: the year where it was like, Okay, finally these guys
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  Speaker 1: who been multi year starters at all three positions, they're
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  Speaker 1: finally gone and now we can go take that you
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  Speaker 1: know you have that opportunity. Doesn't mean you're gonna capitalize
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  Speaker 1: on him, but it means that opportunity is there. Kid
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  Speaker 1: McDonald is someone who he did not come.
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  Speaker 3: Out and talk but which was disappointing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's always a good he's always a good talker,
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  Speaker 1: also turning into a pretty good football player. He's another
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  Speaker 1: guy who was very you know, very young Ridchard freshman
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  Speaker 1: last year, right dyard freshman.
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  Speaker 2: So second year player last year.
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  Speaker 1: He was someone who you saw in there even with
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  Speaker 1: the veteran guys, the veteran defensive line. You saw him
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  Speaker 1: in in these crucial moments, goal line stand against Penn State,
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  Speaker 1: there's Kate McDonald right in the middle of everything. Saw
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  Speaker 1: him play a bunch during the playoffs. He's another guy
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  Speaker 1: who he's kind of been that Edward Houston camp with
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  Speaker 1: me where it's like, all right, he did not come
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  Speaker 1: in with quite the you know, the hullabaloo that Edward
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  Speaker 1: Houston did. But he's someone who it feels like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what is he going to look like getting forty fifty snaps?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's played each of the first two years.
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  Speaker 4: And then the way people talk about him like not
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  Speaker 4: us yeah, though, but like the way his teamates talk
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  Speaker 4: about it. Wait, Ty Hamilton talked about him at the combine, saying,
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  Speaker 4: Cayden's gonna be fine, Like you can go to the combine,
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  Speaker 4: who's gonna replace you?
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  Speaker 3: How it's gonna go. Caden's gonna be fine. And you
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  Speaker 3: know he's he's.
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  Speaker 4: Big, he's energetic, he's athletic, and you hear people talk
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  Speaker 4: there's the level of confidence that they have in him.
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  Speaker 4: I think speaks it's not nothing because yeah, that's one
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  Speaker 4: thing where they'll talk about somebody, but when there's like
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  Speaker 4: this level of confidence, like there's no concern here, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and when you ask about a specific player and
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  Speaker 1: get an answer about that player, that's one thing. When
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  Speaker 1: you ask about something broadly and you get a very
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  Speaker 1: specific answer about that player, that tells you something. That's
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  Speaker 1: something that historically has meant a lot. Kayden Curry we
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  Speaker 1: haven't talked specifically about, but I mean he's kind of
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  Speaker 1: similar in a similar boat to Kenyata Jackson, where it's like, okay, finally,
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  Speaker 1: now you know, can he take that next step and
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  Speaker 1: go from like solid back up to you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if can you be a Jax order, a
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  Speaker 1: T TWE molole player. I don't know if that's a
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  Speaker 1: realistic expectation, but can you take a step and intermediate
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  Speaker 1: step to get some to most of the way there?
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  Speaker 4: You know, it was interesting when when he was talking
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  Speaker 4: because he's he's in the same boat as can you
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  Speaker 4: have to Jackson c j X. They're all four with
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  Speaker 4: your guys. They all could have left, they're all still here.
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  Speaker 4: And what Kane Curry says, I love Ohio State, I
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  Speaker 4: love coach J. I didn't want to go like there's
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  Speaker 4: there's this is where I want to be. And that's
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  Speaker 4: what the other three guys. The other two guys said
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  Speaker 4: it as well, like this is where they want to be.
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  Speaker 4: So when you've been waiting and biding your time and
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  Speaker 4: you know, well why you know they played some, it's
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  Speaker 4: like why didn't you play more?
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  Speaker 3: It's like, well, it's harder get in front of Jacksonayer
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  Speaker 3: and j T two.
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  Speaker 2: Model as it turns out, understand this.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're that patient and that hungry, like once
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: you get to the buffet, don't you just hammer it
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: like three plates? Like I need you get some help
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: from the with the third plate like they're ready to go,
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: so are then then it becomes skill and execution.
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: But like the desire and to want to is all.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: There, It's all about skill and execution.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: Don't fill up on bread.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: Don't fillum bread, Safson, room for the bathtub full of
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: ice cream. And that's an old Columbus.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: Tip for you. Anyone else that those are the guys
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: that he saw come out.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Anyone else that got talked about that you thought was noteworthy.
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: No, because I think we pretty much covered everybody.
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: Although you know, Larry Johnson did say, who's asked about
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: the younger defensive tackles, the guys that we haven't really
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: seen yet, And he's like, dude, they're all coming along
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: and they do need like Will Smith, you mentioned, Jason Moore,
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: Eric Menza. Maybe maybe Will Smith and Eric Mensa more
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: than anybody too, because they played nose tackle last year.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: And one of the questions is.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: Who is behind Caden McDonald And I keep saying, look
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: to the portal, perhaps, yeah, and how hard they look
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: is gonna depend on I think those two guys.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is the is the backup nose tackle on this
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: team right now?
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: And that's sort of an open question, which we'll get
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: sorted out somewhat throughout spring ball to the Spring Game
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: on the twelfth of April, and then probably possibly through
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: the transfer portal after that. So lot's gonna be lots
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: to talk about the next few weeks. We'll have plenty
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: more coverage. Wednesday is pro Day here inside what he
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: as Athletics Center, with a bunch of former Buckeyes putting
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: on a show for the NFL scouts and coaches and
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: I saw Travon Henderson and Cody Simon down there earlier.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: It's kind of been old home week here the last
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: couple of days you've sart of, you know, so I'm
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: making a book out here working yesterday.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: We talked about that on yesterday's show.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: So yeah, lots of familiar faces in here, as Ohio stated,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: and also a big recruiting week as well. There were
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: a bunch of high profile recruits in here as well.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: So give me lots to talk about this week. At
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Buckeye Huddle dot com, that's where Tony Kevin and I
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: covered the team Mark covers recruiting. We got our whole
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: team in Fexs's nose crews there as well. All the
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: mickey with Smarter football Fan, all at Buckeye Huddle dot
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: com Lett.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Doing for today. Thank you guys all for joining us.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Have a great day. We'll talk to tomorrow