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Pam Montgomery – Co-Creating with Nature · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
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Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
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Speaker 1: Destination Unlimited. The Earth is calling and the time to
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Speaker 1: answer is now. As we face a global shift healing,
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Speaker 1: our separation from nature is no longer optional. It's essential.
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Speaker 1: Only by reuniting with the living Earth can we co
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Speaker 1: create a world where all life, human and nonhuman flourishes.
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Speaker 1: My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, Montgomery says we
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Speaker 1: can accomplish this by co creating with nature. Pam Montgomery
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Speaker 1: is an erbalist, nature evolutionary, international teacher and earth elder
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Speaker 1: who has passionately embraced her role as a spokesperson for
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Speaker 1: the Green Beings, a founding member of United Plant Sabers
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Speaker 1: and the Organization of Nature Evolutionaries, She's the author of
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Speaker 1: two books, including Plant Spirit Healing. Her website is wakeuptanature
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Speaker 1: dot com, and she joins me this week to share
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Speaker 1: her path and new book, co Creating with Nature Healing.
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Speaker 1: The wound of separation. Please join me in welcoming to
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Speaker 1: Destination Unlimited. Pamela Montgomery. Welcome, Pamela.
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Speaker 2: Very nice to be here. Victor, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Pam Your bio describes you as an herbalist, author, international teacher,
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Speaker 1: earth elder, and new paradigm thinker who has passionately embraced
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Speaker 1: her role as a spokesperson for the green beings and
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Speaker 1: has been investigating plants and their intelligence spiritual nature for
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Speaker 1: more than three decades. Please share with us your early
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Speaker 1: path and how this calling manifested for you.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I have that question asked me a lot,
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Speaker 2: and I have to say that it really goes all
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Speaker 2: the way back to when I was a kid, because
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Speaker 2: I was one of the lucky ones that had one
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Speaker 2: of those grandmothers that you just you know, she's like
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Speaker 2: you want to gobble her up. She's so incredibly wonderful.
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Speaker 2: And my grandparents this is my maternal grandparents, and they
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Speaker 2: lived in the eastern Hills of Kentucky, so the Appalachian Mountains,
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Speaker 2: and they were you know, when you say salt of
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Speaker 2: the earth, that's who they were. They were like these
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Speaker 2: people that were just of the land. They didn't they
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Speaker 2: didn't live on the land. They were part of the land,
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Speaker 2: and they were just so amazing. So she was a
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Speaker 2: plant person, and she had plants all through the house,
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Speaker 2: and you know then she had plants all all over
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Speaker 2: the place outside and in the in the South, you
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Speaker 2: eat your main meal at noontime, so she would spend
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Speaker 2: all morning in the kitchen and cooking and then cleaning
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Speaker 2: it all up. By around two or three o'clock in
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Speaker 2: the afternoon, she would come outside and she'd be picking
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Speaker 2: and pruning and you know, doing everything with her plants.
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Speaker 2: But she would she would talk the whole time. And
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Speaker 2: so I remember so distinctly going up to her, and
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Speaker 2: I was little, I was, you know, I mean maybe
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Speaker 2: at that point by oh seven, you know, kind of
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Speaker 2: the curious years. And and uh, I said, Granny, who
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Speaker 2: are you talking to? And she said, in her very
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Speaker 2: Kentucky accent, she said, well, plants are just like people.
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Speaker 2: They need friends too, And so so what happened, What
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Speaker 2: was so important about that was that I got the
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Speaker 2: message that you are in relationship with your with the plants.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're they're like your friends there and you
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Speaker 2: communicate with them. So as an herbalist, I feel like
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Speaker 2: I got this kind of jump start on. I just
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Speaker 2: assumed that that's the way it was, and I thought
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Speaker 2: that everybody did that. And then as I got older
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Speaker 2: and kind of got in the herbal world, it was like,
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Speaker 2: oh no, not everybody does do that. Not everybody does
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Speaker 2: things that way. So I just felt like I started
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Speaker 2: on this path very early of there's something about the
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Speaker 2: natural world in general, because I was when I went
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Speaker 2: for my summers to my grandparents place. I mean I
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Speaker 2: was just outdoors the whole time, and I was in
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Speaker 2: the stream, and I was you know, I was climbing
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Speaker 2: the trees and I was being with the plants. So
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Speaker 2: I feel like I've got a real head start because
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Speaker 2: of my grandparents, and they really encouraged all of that.
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Speaker 2: And then as I got older, I just I became
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Speaker 2: really well, what happened was things started to happen in
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Speaker 2: my garden that I couldn't explain, and I got really
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Speaker 2: interested in, like there's something else going on here. So
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Speaker 2: I really delved deeply into the bio intelligence, I guess,
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Speaker 2: if you want to call it that of plants, and
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Speaker 2: I got read everything I could get my hands on,
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Speaker 2: and I was having these experiences of so I realized, again,
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Speaker 2: this is early on, this was you know, this was
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Speaker 2: probably early thirties by this point, and I just realized,
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Speaker 2: there's a whole lot more than the chemical constituents, just
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Speaker 2: the chemical constituents to these plants. There's a whole lot
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Speaker 2: more going on. And that's what I want to know about.
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Speaker 2: I am really I'm gonna deal. So that's what I've done.
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Speaker 2: I just have gone deeply into this. The I would
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Speaker 2: have to say that there's the vast, vast intelligence of
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Speaker 2: the plant world. And then, of course I'm a real
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Speaker 2: nature girl, so I'm I'm outdoors a lot, and I'm
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Speaker 2: really really trying to understand what our part is in nature.
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Speaker 2: Then you know, we're a part of nature too. We're
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Speaker 2: an animal, We're a part of nature too, and so
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Speaker 2: what does that look like and how does that how
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Speaker 2: does that play out? And or not as the case
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Speaker 2: maybe and so anyway, I'm really fascinated by the whole
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Speaker 2: idea of being in partnership, co creative partnership with nature.
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Speaker 2: So that was kind of a lengthy answer to your question.
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Speaker 2: But that's how it all got started, and it just continues,
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Speaker 2: it continues to unfold. I'm not that that.
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Speaker 1: It's a wonderful sir, it's not too long and interesting point.
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Speaker 1: You said that this really started manifesting for you in
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Speaker 1: your early thirties, and that's second chapter of life. And
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Speaker 1: many of us have a spiritual awakening in the second
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Speaker 1: chapter of life. Do plants have a spiritual awakening in
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Speaker 1: their second chapter?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes? Well, okay, So here's the thing between plants
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Speaker 2: and people is that we're very symbiotically related. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we're way more related to plants than we are to
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Speaker 2: other animals. Some may you know, want to, you know,
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Speaker 2: kind of call me on that one and say, wait
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Speaker 2: a minute, you know, but I mean we breathe because
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Speaker 2: of plants. I mean real basic stuff here, which this
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Speaker 2: is not rocket science. This is real basic. It's like,
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Speaker 2: we breathe oxygen and the only oxygen on this planet
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Speaker 2: is from plants, trees, and sea vegetables. That's it. And
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Speaker 2: then we breathe out carbon dioxide, which the plants breathe in.
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Speaker 2: So we have this very just from something as simple
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Speaker 2: and mundane as breathing. We are already in relationship with
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Speaker 2: the plants. But then when you bring it into conscious awareness,
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Speaker 2: you bring it up a notch, and you become very
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Speaker 2: conscious that you're actually breathing in the outbreath of another being.
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Speaker 2: And then you're breathing out your outbreath and another being
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Speaker 2: is breathing it in. So there's this cycle of breath
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Speaker 2: between you and another another species on this planet. And
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Speaker 2: so it brings it into this this like, oh wow,
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Speaker 2: that's pretty profound. Wow that's actually oh I'm the breath
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Speaker 2: of another being. Oh that's pretty intimate. So it takes
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Speaker 2: it to a whole other level. So anyway, but here's
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Speaker 2: the cool thing is that plants have always preceded their
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Speaker 2: animal counterparts in evolution. So, for example, angiosperms, which are
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Speaker 2: flowering plants that have internal or have their reproductive organs,
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Speaker 2: you know, in intact within the plant, and so so
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Speaker 2: they evolved before mammals. Mammals are their animal counterpart, and
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Speaker 2: mammals needed something to eat, so angiosperms had to evolve first.
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Speaker 2: So this is the way it's been all through through
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Speaker 2: our evolution, is that the plants have always preceded their
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Speaker 2: animal counterparts in evolution. So I look at this and go, okay, well,
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Speaker 2: what is our evolution right now? And if you look
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Speaker 2: at it, it's like around about the sixties, maybe a
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Speaker 2: little earlier than that, but for sure in the sixties
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Speaker 2: there was this huge explosion of people being interested in
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Speaker 2: plants mostly that were open doors of perception, so psycho
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Speaker 2: tropic plants, cannabis, ones that just were like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 2: there's a there's another another whole dimensional reality here that
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Speaker 2: we haven't tapped into yet. So there was a huge
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Speaker 2: explosion of that in the sixties. And then from there
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Speaker 2: it was like flower Essences, which Edward Back was the
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Speaker 2: first one to kind of make bring them onto the scene,
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Speaker 2: and now there's like hundreds of flower essence companies and
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Speaker 2: what those are there. There's no there's no chemical constituents
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Speaker 2: whatsoever in the in the product. It is strictly the
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Speaker 2: vibratory resonance of the plants. Some would call that the
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Speaker 2: plant's signature. And it really works kind of like more
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Speaker 2: on emotional level. And then you know, some of the
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Speaker 2: work that I've done is with plant spirit healing, so
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Speaker 2: you don't really even have to ingest the plant at all.
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Speaker 2: It has to do with your relation with the plant
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Speaker 2: and how how well you can communicate with the plant
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Speaker 2: on what it is. The type of healing that needs
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Speaker 2: to be done. Now we're starting to do what's called
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Speaker 2: plant initiations, where the plants are actually stepping up to
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Speaker 2: take the role of the elder. Like in the old days,
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Speaker 2: initiations were young people coming into the tribe and the
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Speaker 2: elders would would would be the initiators to these young people.
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Speaker 2: And that's almost completely gone. It doesn't happen anymore. And
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Speaker 2: maybe in some rare places on the planet right now,
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Speaker 2: but it's pretty much so here we are a whole
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Speaker 2: culture's culture is full of uninitiated adults, which means we
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Speaker 2: don't know really how to live within the collective sanely.
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Speaker 2: And it's pretty obvious that we don't. And so these
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Speaker 2: plants are just preceding us in our spiritual evolution right now.
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Speaker 2: Or you might want to say, our raising of consciousness
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Speaker 2: to the next level where you know, hopefully we you know,
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Speaker 2: at least stop killing each other and destroying the planet.
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Speaker 2: So I feel like right now in this evolutionary process
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Speaker 2: of what the plant's evolution is is dependent on our evolution.
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Speaker 2: It's always the way it's been, and I feel like
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Speaker 2: we're right on this cusp. The plants are just ahead
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Speaker 2: of us. And if we would start to pay attention
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Speaker 2: to the plants in this way and let them guide us,
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Speaker 2: I feel like we're right on the cusp of a
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Speaker 2: huge leap in consciousness right now.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's exciting.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. We're going to be discussing your new book, co
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Speaker 1: Creating with Nature Healing the Wound of Separation. But let's
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Speaker 1: start with your previous works. Tell us about your what
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Speaker 1: inspired your book Plant Spirit Healing A Guide to Working
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Speaker 1: with Plant Consciousness.
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Speaker 2: Well, well, as I just mentioned, you know, I went
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Speaker 2: into working in with well, I was just interested in
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Speaker 2: this larger aspect of the plants, and I found that
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Speaker 2: when I when I worked with the plants through communicating
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Speaker 2: and it's not plants don't communicate like we do. We do.
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Speaker 2: We make these sounds that come out of our mouth.
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Speaker 2: In the biological world, and this is all in the science.
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Speaker 2: In the biological world, the foundational way in which communication
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Speaker 2: takes place is through light and sound that carries a vibration.
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Speaker 2: So it's really this vibratory resonance, and the plants are
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Speaker 2: very good at. One of the things that the plants
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Speaker 2: are really good at is they confine tune their resonance
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Speaker 2: to us easier than we can to them where they're
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Speaker 2: not distracted, they're just being who they are, whereas we
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Speaker 2: get real distracted by everything else that's going on. And
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Speaker 2: you know, instead of like paying attention and being present
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Speaker 2: as we sit with plants and and we communicate and
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Speaker 2: we and we you know, experience the vibratory resonance of
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Speaker 2: the plant within our body. You know, we're getting distracted,
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Speaker 2: you know, balancing our checkbook in our head. Plants are
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Speaker 2: not doing that. Plants are just being plants. And so
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Speaker 2: what happens is because so the light, there's biophotons at
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Speaker 2: the nucleus of all all living all living organisms have biophotons,
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Speaker 2: particles of light at the nucleus of the cell, nucleus
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Speaker 2: of the cells at the DNA level. So when I'm
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Speaker 2: sitting with a plant and I'm being very present and
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Speaker 2: I'm focusing on that, you know that that I want
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Speaker 2: to be in communication with this plant, and the plants
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Speaker 2: easily doing that with me. Then what happens is what's
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Speaker 2: the two points of light in the nucleus is of
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Speaker 2: ourselves make a beam of light and they call it
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Speaker 2: a laser, they call it they actually call it a
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Speaker 2: laser beam. And that's called being coherent. And so when
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Speaker 2: we go into coherence, then there's this two way thing
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Speaker 2: that starts to happen. There's an exchange, and it's an
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Speaker 2: exchange of vibratory resonance. Now what I have experienced through
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Speaker 2: that is that everything, everything really has a vibratory resinence.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if it has a molecular structure, it vibrates.
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Speaker 2: So everything are and then also our thoughts, our feelings,
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Speaker 2: everything really has a vibratory resonance. And what happens when
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Speaker 2: you start to have this exchange is you start to
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Speaker 2: have sensations in your body. You start to you know,
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Speaker 2: from the sensations, what starts to bubble up our emotional
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Speaker 2: responses to the sensation. You start to be in what
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Speaker 2: I call the daydream of the plant. It's like you
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Speaker 2: are part of the daydream of the plant, and every
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Speaker 2: single thing that's going on around you in your environment
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Speaker 2: is part of that daydream, and all of it has meaning.
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Speaker 2: So you begin to kind of take all these bits
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Speaker 2: and pieces and they're like puzzle pieces and start to
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Speaker 2: put them together and like a picture forms and so yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's the best I can describe it. It might sound
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Speaker 2: really far out there, but it's not. I just want
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Speaker 2: you to know that that we because of our symbiotic
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Speaker 2: relationship to the plants and our longtime association with them,
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Speaker 2: it's that we actually do know how to do this
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Speaker 2: communication with them. It's just that our modern day life
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Speaker 2: is not super supportive, and it's it creates this like amnesia.
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Speaker 2: It's like we've fallen into this deep anichea and we've
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Speaker 2: forgotten that we are actually kin, that are that the
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Speaker 2: plants are our kin. We wouldn't be here without them.
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Speaker 2: We absolutely wouldn't be alive if it weren't for plants.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we don't make tissue from sunlight. Plants do that,
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Speaker 2: and they're the food. And if we didn't eat the plant,
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Speaker 2: then we ate an animal that ate the plant, so
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Speaker 2: on a physical level or totally relate, you know, in
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Speaker 2: symbiotic relationship with them. So so we actually it's in
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Speaker 2: our it's in our it's in our whole makeup. So
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Speaker 2: it's really a remembering process that we actually do know
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Speaker 2: the language of plants. And so did that answer your question?
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Speaker 1: Yes, and this is something that indigenous healers and shamans
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Speaker 1: have known for centuries.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and yes, many of them never forgot. We forgot,
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Speaker 2: but no, people who live close to the earth, it's
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Speaker 2: like they haven't forgotten how connected they are to nature.
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Speaker 2: It's those of us who have, you know, really gotten
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Speaker 2: entrenched in this modern world that you know, we're doing
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Speaker 2: other things that have nothing to do with nature really,
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Speaker 2: so we've just forgotten. And so it's a remembering process.
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Speaker 2: And how do we do that. Spend time with nature,
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Speaker 2: spend time with the plants, be there with them. I
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Speaker 2: happen to be in Belize right now. I spend my
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Speaker 2: winters in Belize, and I have fallen completely in love
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Speaker 2: with coconut palms, you know. And it's so funny because
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Speaker 2: I mean they're kind of like, oh, coconut palms. You know,
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Speaker 2: they're on you know, they line the beaches, and they're
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Speaker 2: they're everywhere, They're pretty much everywhere. Well, I have discovered
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Speaker 2: that when you lay underneath these palms and you're completely
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Speaker 2: present with them, and of course there's there's a key
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Speaker 2: element to laying underneath them. Don't lay directly underneath the
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Speaker 2: coconuts because they do fall out of those trees, and
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Speaker 2: you don't want one hitting you because they're heavy. So
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Speaker 2: you lay in the middle of you know, or on
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Speaker 2: the outer edges of so I have discovered these palm
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Speaker 2: trees that are just magnificent trees. They've got these great, big,
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Speaker 2: long branches. And then when they you know, there's always
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Speaker 2: a breeze on the beach. Oh man, they're waving in
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Speaker 2: the breeze. And then I have a friend here, Elaine,
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Speaker 2: and she she has a beach farm, and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: a beach far uh huh, and what's that mean. She's
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Speaker 2: got forty different varieties of coconut palm on her beach farm,
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Speaker 2: and she just lets them drop. She doesn't whack them
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Speaker 2: out of the tree. She just lets them drop. She
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Speaker 2: has enough to drop that she every week she kind
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Speaker 2: of rotates through these these coconuts. She makes three gallons
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Speaker 2: of coconut oil a week. It's the most exquisite coconut
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Speaker 2: oil you've ever had in your entire life. And she
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Speaker 2: makes coconut milk and then from the meat of the coconut.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, these coconuts have you could you could
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Speaker 2: probably just live on coconuts. I'm telling you, They're amazing. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm that's my new love, My new love is
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Speaker 2: palm trees, coconut palms.
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Speaker 1: And that brings us to your newly published book, Cobaborating
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Speaker 1: with Nature Healing the Wound of Separation. In this book,
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Speaker 1: you share that being in partnership with nature is our birthright.
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Speaker 1: So many have forgotten this. What are the roots of
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Speaker 1: that forgetfulness?
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Speaker 3: Well, that's a very good question, I I feel well,
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a there's a lot of things, but
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Speaker 3: probably was the beginning of agriculture.
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Speaker 2: And now it's being questioned about when that really was.
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Speaker 2: They're making new discoveries that it looks like it was
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Speaker 2: a lot early, you know, a lot further back than
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Speaker 2: what we originally thought, so you know, up to maybe
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Speaker 2: up to maybe twelve thousand years ago. But it's it's
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Speaker 2: kind of like when we stopped just hunting and gathering
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Speaker 2: and taking what was just there for us and started
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Speaker 2: putting seeds in the ground, and it was really the
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Speaker 2: beginning of the manipulation of nature and putting seeds in
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Speaker 2: the ground, not having to move around as much, started
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Speaker 2: storing grains, and you know, once you start storing storing things,
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Speaker 2: then you then you have something that's of value that
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Speaker 2: you can you you know, use later, and then of
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Speaker 2: course it moves into accumulating personal property, having property that's
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Speaker 2: just yours instead of the commons. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: way back then it was I mean people started living
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Speaker 2: in little villages, but they would go out together to
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Speaker 2: work the land and it was held in common. There
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Speaker 2: was no fences, there was none of that. And but
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Speaker 2: that began to change as as agriculture, and it got
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Speaker 2: into like, you know, then it did start to get
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Speaker 2: fenced in or more likely hedges, and there was domesticated animals,
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Speaker 2: and then then it moved into like the difference between
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Speaker 2: the wild and the domesticated, and the wild was beyond
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Speaker 2: the pale as the expression that was an expression in
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Speaker 2: the British Isles. If you went beyond the pale, with
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Speaker 2: the pale was like a area of land that kind
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Speaker 2: of was a designated point between your things that you
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Speaker 2: farmed and then what you didn't farm. And when when
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Speaker 2: you went beyond the pale, that was like, ooh, there's
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Speaker 2: the wild and you have to be careful because there's
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Speaker 2: wild animals out there. So people became afraid of the wild,
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Speaker 2: and so it just progressed to and then of course,
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Speaker 2: once you start to own land, and there's you know,
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Speaker 2: sequestering of resources, and then you know, then it's ownership
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Speaker 2: and then it's like, well I have I have more
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Speaker 2: grain than you have. So then it gets to be
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Speaker 2: a power trip and it just kind of snowballs from
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Speaker 2: there to the point of then we start to move
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Speaker 2: into empires. And then we get into the like the
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Speaker 2: empire thing and where there's oppression and and it usually
23:58
Speaker 2: has to do with the the resources of the land.
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Speaker 2: It's like that's a lot of it. And so yeah,
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Speaker 2: and then and then you know, now it's like, I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's been so many empires that have come and gone
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Speaker 2: and we'll we'll see how that continues on, but it
24:20
Speaker 2: probably will continue They come and go, and so you know,
24:25
Speaker 2: then corporations become empires, and it just it just goes
24:30
Speaker 2: on and on and yeah, and then and then so
24:33
Speaker 2: kind of like once the you're the sovereignty is taken
24:37
Speaker 2: from us, then that's the amnesia really sets in big time.
24:43
Speaker 2: Once you're like you're you are not your own authority anymore.
24:49
Speaker 2: It's taken from you, and then you start to forget
24:53
Speaker 2: and then the stories stop being told about get handed
24:58
Speaker 2: down from generation to gener and the young people don't
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Speaker 2: even know that what that land used to be and
25:06
Speaker 2: what used to grow on that land, and that there
25:09
Speaker 2: used to be this spring that was so gushing full
25:14
Speaker 2: of pure wild water it fed the whole village. And
25:18
Speaker 2: the young people don't even know that anymore. Nowadays, it's like,
25:22
Speaker 2: you know, you mentioned broccoli and people are kids are like, oh,
25:26
Speaker 2: what's that and what's that look like? I don't even
25:28
Speaker 2: know what it looks like. So it's just been this
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Speaker 2: progression and to the point at which once we've lost that,
25:40
Speaker 2: and we've lost and we stopped telling the stories of
25:43
Speaker 2: the land, then we don't remember. We don't and it
25:48
Speaker 2: only takes a generation. It takes one generation to forget absolutely.
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Speaker 1: My guest is Pam Montgomery, her new book co Creating
25:57
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26:01
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26:02
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Speaker 2: Yes, my website is www dot wake Up too Nature
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Speaker 2: dot com. Wake Up to Nature is spelled allout dot com,
26:15
Speaker 2: so you can find out what I'm doing and what
26:18
Speaker 2: classes are happening, and you can you can certainly buy
26:21
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week Pam Montgomery.
27:06
Speaker 1: Her new book is entitled co Creating with Nature, Healing
27:10
Speaker 1: the Wound of Separation. Pam, you say that plants can
27:14
Speaker 1: guide us in living according to our true essential nature.
27:18
Speaker 1: How may we open to that guidance?
27:21
Speaker 2: My experience has been I described already, you know, kind
27:25
Speaker 2: of coming into communication and what happens is that there's
27:30
Speaker 2: like there's like this merge that that happens between humans
27:37
Speaker 2: and the ability is there for e merging to happen.
27:41
Speaker 2: So the way I see it is like the vibratory
27:46
Speaker 2: resonance of the plant. I'm able to identify that through
27:51
Speaker 2: the felt sensation. The felt sensation is a literal sensation,
27:56
Speaker 2: like you know, tingling in your hands. That's a sensation.
27:59
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm talking about. So I identify through
28:03
Speaker 2: felt sensation the vibratory residence of the plant that's happening
28:08
Speaker 2: somewhere in my body. My body registers it. I put
28:12
Speaker 2: a handle on it. It's called putting a handle on
28:14
Speaker 2: it where you with a few words you identify it,
28:17
Speaker 2: or it might be a posture or some way you
28:21
Speaker 2: identify that felt sensation, which is the vibratory resonance of
28:26
Speaker 2: the plant. So then when now that you now that
28:31
Speaker 2: you know what that vibratory resonance is, you can be
28:37
Speaker 2: in communication with the plant at any given time, even
28:41
Speaker 2: without the plant being present. So because you can tap
28:46
Speaker 2: into it through the unified field, I would say, And
28:54
Speaker 2: so what these plants do is they when you engage
29:01
Speaker 2: with them on a healing level.
29:03
Speaker 5: What they do is they it's like going to the source,
29:12
Speaker 5: which I would say is on a spiritual slash energetic level.
29:17
Speaker 2: Because energy and spirit works together. Spirit being sentient energy
29:23
Speaker 2: is just exists. It doesn't you know, it doesn't get
29:26
Speaker 2: created or destroyed. It just is so the spirit, the
29:30
Speaker 2: sentient spirit directs the energy. So it's at that level.
29:37
Speaker 2: And so what happens with these plants is they can
29:41
Speaker 2: go directly to that source level, the spirit slash energy level,
29:45
Speaker 2: which is where disease or or compromise begins. It begins
29:51
Speaker 2: at that level. By the time it reaches the physical level,
29:54
Speaker 2: it's been hanging around for a very long time. So
29:56
Speaker 2: ideally you catch it at that level. These plants have
29:59
Speaker 2: a ability to do that. The other thing, this is
30:03
Speaker 2: the other so incredibly cool thing, is that back to
30:07
Speaker 2: the biophotons. So there was a man named Fritz Pop
30:11
Speaker 2: and Albert fritz Pop he's passed on now that he
30:15
Speaker 2: was a German biophysicist and he was the one that
30:19
Speaker 2: discovered biophotons at the nucleus of the cells of all
30:23
Speaker 2: living organisms. And he did work with plants. And what
30:27
Speaker 2: he did was he found that cells that were compromised
30:36
Speaker 2: or had weren't healthy let's put it that way, and
30:40
Speaker 2: we're talking big stuff like cancer cells. He found he
30:46
Speaker 2: said that the light at the nucleus of the cell
30:49
Speaker 2: had gone awrye meaning that the pattern of the light
30:54
Speaker 2: was not healthy, was not toward health. It was toward disease.
31:00
Speaker 2: So what he did was he gave the biophotons from
31:05
Speaker 2: certain plants to unhealthy cells, and what happened was the
31:11
Speaker 2: light repatterned toward health. Now I call that leading edge.
31:19
Speaker 2: This is what plants can do. And so, and it
31:24
Speaker 2: happens at this vibratory level between light and sound. Sound
31:28
Speaker 2: is a part of it, too. Light and sound on
31:30
Speaker 2: this biophoton level, they're going right to the source and
31:35
Speaker 2: they're healing at these source levels. So okay, that's not
31:39
Speaker 2: your question, though. Your question is living according to your
31:43
Speaker 2: true essential nature. So part of this whole being being
31:50
Speaker 2: helping you to be as healthy as you possibly can.
31:55
Speaker 2: Being true to your original blueprint. And our total original
32:03
Speaker 2: blueprint is a brilliance. I mean, we're designed to be
32:06
Speaker 2: quote unquote enlightened because we have all these particles of
32:12
Speaker 2: light at the nucleus of all our cells. We only
32:16
Speaker 2: have two intact strands of DNA, we have the potential
32:20
Speaker 2: for twelve in tract strands of DNA. Anyway, that's a
32:24
Speaker 2: whole nother, big, big conversation. So what these plants are
32:28
Speaker 2: doing is really helping us to live according to our
32:31
Speaker 2: true essential nature because they're helping us to come into
32:35
Speaker 2: our own original blueprint of brilliance and that we are not.
32:44
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned to me earlier about a little
32:48
Speaker 2: Bible story and that was kind of cute. But you know,
32:52
Speaker 2: there's this whole thing about original sin and that were
32:55
Speaker 2: born into original sin. Well, that came down later about
33:01
Speaker 2: three hundred years after Christ became The Confessions of Saint
33:07
Speaker 2: Augustine was what people are familiar with. Saint Augustine, who
33:11
Speaker 2: was a Berber from northern Africa. He was the one
33:15
Speaker 2: who talked about original sin. It was it's not in
33:18
Speaker 2: the Bible. It was none of the words that Jesus
33:20
Speaker 2: says anyway, So anyway, our original blueprint is of original brilliance.
33:26
Speaker 2: That's who we are. That's really who we are. And
33:29
Speaker 2: these plants help us to live according to our original blueprint,
33:34
Speaker 2: which is that of brilliance. It's of being light, being
33:38
Speaker 2: light beings and once this and they help us. I
33:43
Speaker 2: feel like part of our evolution right now is more
33:46
Speaker 2: of our DNA is becoming intact. More strands of DNA
33:51
Speaker 2: are starting to line up, and I think there's even
33:54
Speaker 2: children being born. They call them the blue babies and
33:58
Speaker 2: Indigo children. And all of that that have more more
34:00
Speaker 2: in tax strands of DNA, so it's all starting to happen.
34:03
Speaker 2: And then epigenetically speaking, if we look at epigenetics, which
34:06
Speaker 2: have to do with gene expression through more through our
34:09
Speaker 2: environment and our experiences, then within one generation the DNA
34:14
Speaker 2: expression can change. So I feel like, what's happening right now,
34:19
Speaker 2: and it's such an exciting time to be alive, is
34:22
Speaker 2: that we're more of our DNA is becoming intact, so
34:26
Speaker 2: it's making beams of light because it's in a strand
34:29
Speaker 2: instead of just little points of light. And so I
34:34
Speaker 2: think what's happening is we're actually making use of this
34:39
Speaker 2: DNA and as we do that, we become more and
34:42
Speaker 2: more enlightened, Our consciousness raises more and more and more,
34:46
Speaker 2: and we really move into who we truly are and
34:50
Speaker 2: we start to realize that, oh, there's this whole other
34:54
Speaker 2: way of being on this planet where we're interconnected. It's
34:58
Speaker 2: called inter being. Actually were interconnected, were interdependent, and we
35:04
Speaker 2: actually and they also use the word interpenetration, which is
35:09
Speaker 2: about the merge where we have this capability of merging
35:13
Speaker 2: with other species in order to thrive on this planet.
35:19
Speaker 2: All life thrive, not just humans, all life. So I yeah,
35:25
Speaker 2: it's exciting.
35:26
Speaker 1: And you talked about this before as plant initiation. You
35:30
Speaker 1: offer the steps for creating and facilitating plant initiation with
35:35
Speaker 1: common plants. Please share with us the basics of that initiation.
35:39
Speaker 2: Okay, So, as I mentioned, initiations are basically young Originally,
35:48
Speaker 2: we're young people coming into the tribe and finding their
35:51
Speaker 2: place within the tribe. And usually they would take on
35:55
Speaker 2: new names and all that, so they knew the place
36:01
Speaker 2: and they knew how to be within that collective atmosphere,
36:06
Speaker 2: collective tribal atmosphere. And so here we are now, and
36:13
Speaker 2: the plants are stepping up to take on the role
36:16
Speaker 2: of the elder to initiate us into what it means
36:20
Speaker 2: to be truly human living walking the path we came
36:25
Speaker 2: here to walk this time around, That's what they're doing.
36:28
Speaker 2: So this initiation process is one of those ways to
36:31
Speaker 2: answer your previous question of how do we live to
36:34
Speaker 2: our true you know, how do we how do we
36:36
Speaker 2: live according to our true essential nature? This is one
36:39
Speaker 2: of the ways the plants are teaching us. So basically
36:41
Speaker 2: what we do is the way I'm doing them. Are
36:45
Speaker 2: three days where we are, we are focusing on one plant,
36:50
Speaker 2: and I do not choose the plant, choose the plant
36:53
Speaker 2: chooses me. The plant steps forward and says, I'm going
36:56
Speaker 2: to be the initiator this year, and so that's who
36:59
Speaker 2: it's going to be. And so we basically we make
37:03
Speaker 2: and usually it's an ingestible plant. You can do plants
37:07
Speaker 2: that are that you don't ingest the meaning the physical
37:13
Speaker 2: properties of the plant, but you can work with the
37:15
Speaker 2: flower essence, which there's no chemical constituents in that, so
37:18
Speaker 2: you could do that. But usually we're working with ingestible plants,
37:22
Speaker 2: which means we're creating what I call an elixir of
37:26
Speaker 2: different parts of the plant, different mediums, water, alcohol, hydrosol,
37:30
Speaker 2: which is the byproduct of distilling distillation process. Maybe you know,
37:39
Speaker 2: if it's got a strong lot of all oils in it,
37:41
Speaker 2: then we might work with the scent of the plant
37:44
Speaker 2: as well. And so we make this elixer and everything
37:48
Speaker 2: is done in a ceremonial context. So we are in
37:52
Speaker 2: ceremony in this initiation, ceremonially for three solid days and
37:58
Speaker 2: we ingest the We do do sixteen ounces a piece
38:02
Speaker 2: of the of the elixir, and so we drink like
38:06
Speaker 2: eight times. We'll do two ounces eight times throughout the
38:09
Speaker 2: three days, and then we do all kinds of different
38:12
Speaker 2: things with the plant. We'll do We'll do shamanic journeying
38:17
Speaker 2: with the plant. We'll sit with the plant, of course
38:19
Speaker 2: and do our communication thing. We embody the plant, so
38:22
Speaker 2: like we make masks and we we actually take on
38:28
Speaker 2: the plant. We embody the plant. We have a council.
38:31
Speaker 2: We'll have a count. So if the plant is dandelion,
38:34
Speaker 2: we'll have a council of dandelions around the fire at night,
38:37
Speaker 2: and we speak for dandelion as if we are a dandelion,
38:40
Speaker 2: so we're in council together. We do a process called
38:43
Speaker 2: green breath, which is like transform transformational breath work, only
38:48
Speaker 2: we're breathing specifically with whatever plant is the initiator, and
38:52
Speaker 2: that is a super powerful process where we've seen spontaneous
38:57
Speaker 2: healings happen during these these green bread sessions. We do
39:03
Speaker 2: dismemberment journey, so we do all these we do. We
39:06
Speaker 2: work with a labyrinth. Within the labyrinth with the plant
39:08
Speaker 2: we do. We work with sound. So we do all
39:12
Speaker 2: these different things with the plant, and by the end
39:15
Speaker 2: of three days, I'm telling you people's lives have changed.
39:19
Speaker 2: And you know this plant like lives inside you after
39:23
Speaker 2: these initiations and you are come out of them like
39:26
Speaker 2: a different person. It's it's quite phenomenal. So so yeah,
39:31
Speaker 2: that's what that's basically what the initiations are. And you know,
39:34
Speaker 2: there's a whole section in this new book of mine
39:36
Speaker 2: that talks about how to prepare for an initiation and
39:40
Speaker 2: then the whole process of doing the initiation, and then
39:43
Speaker 2: there's a whole section on plants that we've done initiations
39:46
Speaker 2: with and and what's come from those initiations, and so
39:50
Speaker 2: it's quite it's quite powerful. I must say.
39:53
Speaker 1: I had an inadvertent what I would call natural initiation
39:58
Speaker 1: with the Loveli azaleas in our small front garden that
40:01
Speaker 1: was very healing for me during a time of grieving.
40:04
Speaker 1: It actually inspired a poem that I wrote called the
40:07
Speaker 1: Lesson of the Azaleas. Meshare that with you?
40:09
Speaker 2: Oh? Please?
40:10
Speaker 1: Do they return each spring in their full glory without
40:15
Speaker 1: our hand and tending leave in three weeks. A very
40:19
Speaker 1: short story, but no sadness in this ending, for they
40:23
Speaker 1: grace us with signs of summer's return, lifting our spirits
40:27
Speaker 1: with cheer, and we know they'll be back and blossom
40:31
Speaker 1: again one full turn of the wheel of the year,
40:35
Speaker 1: and the lesson they share with beauty and grace. Transition
40:39
Speaker 1: is just Nature's way, a reminder will all return to
40:43
Speaker 1: this place and blossom on some shining day.
40:48
Speaker 2: God, most beautiful Victor. I just love that so much.
40:52
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. It got me through the passing
40:55
Speaker 1: of my mother. Actually, oh yes, that really helped me
41:00
Speaker 1: process that grief and develop a deeper understanding. So thank
41:03
Speaker 1: you for allowing me to share that.
41:05
Speaker 2: Wow.
41:06
Speaker 1: In the co creating with nature healing the wound of separation,
41:10
Speaker 1: you offer six principles of developing the co creative partnership.
41:15
Speaker 1: Please share a short description of these principles that the
41:18
Speaker 1: readers will find in your book.
41:21
Speaker 2: Yes, and these are just this is I mean, I
41:24
Speaker 2: feel like I'm just beginning this. This might be just
41:27
Speaker 2: a scratch on the surface, and there may be a
41:29
Speaker 2: whole bunch more principles that others come up with, but
41:32
Speaker 2: these are the ones that have really stuck with me. Well. Communication,
41:37
Speaker 2: which of course we've been talking about communication quite a bit,
41:39
Speaker 2: and really discovering the vibratory resonance of the plants, So
41:44
Speaker 2: that's an important one. Whenever you're in a partnership. I mean,
41:49
Speaker 2: one of the key ingredients in a really healthy partnership,
41:53
Speaker 2: I would say, is good communication. So that's one. There's
41:58
Speaker 2: also this aspect of self love. And I say self
42:04
Speaker 2: love because when you really know how to love yourself,
42:10
Speaker 2: I mean, you really need to be able to love
42:11
Speaker 2: yourself before you really can love another. And so there's
42:15
Speaker 2: a whole process of going into self love. That's one
42:18
Speaker 2: of them. And there's healing the split, which is kind
42:22
Speaker 2: of the same thing as healing the separation, but the
42:24
Speaker 2: split really it's where you discover the gifts. Every single
42:31
Speaker 2: person carries gifts, every single plant carries gifts. We all
42:36
Speaker 2: come in with gifts, and so this is where we
42:40
Speaker 2: even when we think, oh, it's a poisonous plant. Oh
42:44
Speaker 2: it gives me a rash. Oh, therefore it must be
42:48
Speaker 2: not good. Now that's not true. It's just that, you know,
42:52
Speaker 2: so we stop looking at it as the enemy and
42:55
Speaker 2: we realize that, oh no, oh, well, that poisonous plant
42:59
Speaker 2: actually is a really big protector plant and it can
43:02
Speaker 2: really help protect us. So that would be an example.
43:06
Speaker 2: So we look at that, we look at that of
43:08
Speaker 2: the healing of the split, and then there's the thing
43:11
Speaker 2: about trust and how important it is for us to
43:14
Speaker 2: trust trust our own I call it the first voice.
43:18
Speaker 2: It's like that primal knowing like that, which like just
43:21
Speaker 2: it just is the first little, first little thing that comes.
43:24
Speaker 2: That's the first voice. And so it's super important that
43:28
Speaker 2: we go into our work with these plants realizing that
43:32
Speaker 2: we can totally trust the plants. The plants are not
43:37
Speaker 2: going to lie to us. They do not do that.
43:39
Speaker 2: And so when we receive these touches from the plants
43:43
Speaker 2: or these are these insights or these into our intuitions
43:47
Speaker 2: from the plants, we can trust that. So yeah, and
43:50
Speaker 2: then then there's this piece of about time. And this
43:55
Speaker 2: has been so valuable for me, is that we've got
43:59
Speaker 2: x internal time, which rules our lives, and then we've
44:02
Speaker 2: got internal time. And the internal time is like you know,
44:07
Speaker 2: being in your own rhythm. What is your rhythm and
44:10
Speaker 2: what is your rhythm with nature? The tendency is when
44:14
Speaker 2: you spend time in nature, quite a bit of it,
44:16
Speaker 2: then you get on the same rhythm in the same
44:18
Speaker 2: sink as nature. And what internal rhythm does or internal
44:24
Speaker 2: time does, is it really helps you to be present.
44:28
Speaker 2: You're not thinking about the future, and you're not dwelling
44:31
Speaker 2: in the past. You just become in the present, and
44:34
Speaker 2: in that present moment is where the magic happens and
44:37
Speaker 2: you can like step into that inter dimensional reality. It's
44:41
Speaker 2: so incredible. And this whole thing of external time, I
44:46
Speaker 2: think has been one of the big ways in which
44:52
Speaker 2: separation has happened, that we've gone into. The amnesia is
44:56
Speaker 2: we're just on the clock all the time, and it's
44:59
Speaker 2: helping us forget. And then there's of course joyful encounter.
45:03
Speaker 2: And joyful Encounter is just exactly as it says, is
45:06
Speaker 2: this interacting with nature in this way, this coming back
45:11
Speaker 2: into the fold, this realizing that we're a part of
45:13
Speaker 2: nature and that we can be in a co create
45:15
Speaker 2: a partnership together. It is joyful and it's so much fun.
45:20
Speaker 2: And we have these like wow moments or Aha moments
45:24
Speaker 2: in nature and here we are just really being in
45:28
Speaker 2: this space of joy and what better place to be
45:33
Speaker 2: And so plants bring us to that place. And yeah,
45:38
Speaker 2: so my.
45:39
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45:42
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45:45
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Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guests this week Pam Montgomery
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Speaker 1: her new book co Creating with Nature, Healing the Wound
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Speaker 1: of Separation. Pam, you offer meditations as a means of
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Speaker 1: connecting with plant, energy and nature. Is there one that
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Speaker 1: stands out for you.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well, there's a lot. I mean, it
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Speaker 2: depends on how you know, how detailed you want to
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Speaker 2: get here. But let's start at the let's start at
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Speaker 2: the very foundational level i'll call it, which is your breath.
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Speaker 2: And so I do this a lot, a lot with well,
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Speaker 2: with lots of people, but especially anybody new to like
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Speaker 2: this kind of work, or somebody who might well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I would just I'll just keep it at that, anybody
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Speaker 2: who might be new to this. And really it's so
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Speaker 2: let's just take a minute and just you know, breathing
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Speaker 2: in and just be breathing deeply in, bring it all
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Speaker 2: the way down into your lower belly, and then breathing out,
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Speaker 2: and just feel that nice rhythm of breath. And maybe
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Speaker 2: you have a special tree that comes to mind, or
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Speaker 2: a plant, or maybe one of your houseplants even that
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Speaker 2: you might want to just bring them into your conscious awareness.
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Speaker 2: And as you breathe in oxygen, you become aware that
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Speaker 2: your plant or tree is breathing out oxygen as you
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Speaker 2: take your in breath of oxygen. And then as you
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Speaker 2: breathe out, you breathe out carbon dioxide, and you become
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Speaker 2: aware that your plant or tree is breathing in carbon dioxide.
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Speaker 2: And now as you realize that you are in a
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Speaker 2: cycle of breath with your plant or your tree breathing
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Speaker 2: in oxygen, which is the plants or trees out breath,
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Speaker 2: breathing out carbon dioxide, which is the plant or trees
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Speaker 2: in breath. Cycle of breath with another being. Every second
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Speaker 2: of every minute of every hour of every day, you
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Speaker 2: are in this cycle of breath with the green beings.
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Speaker 2: These green beings give you your very life. Feel how
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Speaker 2: connected you are through your breath. You're the breath of
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Speaker 2: another being. You share breath with another being. How intimate
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Speaker 2: this is. Realizing that you are in deep relationship to
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Speaker 2: this plant entry because they give you your very breath,
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Speaker 2: your very life. And taking one more nice deep breath,
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Speaker 2: being ingratitude for the gift being given to you by
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Speaker 2: your plant or tree, coming back into your awareness now
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Speaker 2: into this lovely chat that we're having. Now you can
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Speaker 2: do this type of breathing anytime because you've always got
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Speaker 2: your breath right with you. So this is a simple
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Speaker 2: meditation that brings you to a whole other level of
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Speaker 2: consciousness with the green world, plants, trees, sea, vegetables, and
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Speaker 2: everybody can do it. And it's simple. You can stand
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Speaker 2: in the grocery line and do this. Even all you
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Speaker 2: have to do is bring into your awareness, bring into
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Speaker 2: your mind's eye or into your heart a favorite tree
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Speaker 2: or a favorite plant, or if you love seaweed, then
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Speaker 2: bring that one into It is simple and at the
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Speaker 2: same time incredibly profound.
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Speaker 1: You touched upon the expression heart coherence. Please tell us
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Speaker 1: what this means and how it applies to all of
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Speaker 1: this work.
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Speaker 2: Right, Well, our heart is the primary organ of perception,
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Speaker 2: and some may think it's our brain, but.
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Speaker 7: It is not.
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Speaker 2: The heart is what does all the perceiving, receives all
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Speaker 2: the data, brings it into the heart. Ideally, you are
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Speaker 2: in coherence with internally, meaning that again you're making this
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Speaker 2: between all of your cells. You're connecting all of your
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Speaker 2: biophotons together, making these coherent pathways. I'm going to say
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Speaker 2: of light, thus, vibratory resonance, energy, and the ideal is
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Speaker 2: that you are in total coherence with both your gut.
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Speaker 2: So we've got three areas of intelligence. We have our
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Speaker 2: heart intelligence. We have our gut intelligence, which is instinct
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Speaker 2: heart being on our emotional intuitive level. Then we have
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Speaker 2: our brain intelligence, which is the intellect. So ideally these
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Speaker 2: three are in sync together. And so your heart in
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Speaker 2: coherence helps you to instinctually know things. That's probably your gut,
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Speaker 2: is your instinctual brain or intelligence or brilliance if you will,
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Speaker 2: and that really helps you be super in touch with nature,
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Speaker 2: is on an instinctual level. And so your heart helps
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Speaker 2: you become coherent with your instinctual self and with your intellect.
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Speaker 2: So your heart tells your brain. Your heart says, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to decide. This is the decision I'm going
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Speaker 2: to make about all this data I have received. Here's
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Speaker 2: the decision. The heart makes the decision, sends that decision
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Speaker 2: to the brain says, here's what I've decided. Now, the
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Speaker 2: brain does what it's designed to do, which is carry
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Speaker 2: out the decision. That's what the brain is designed to do.
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Speaker 2: The brain is not designed designed to make the decision.
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Speaker 2: I need to be really clear about this because we
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Speaker 2: think sometimes that you know, if we just make a
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Speaker 2: decision in our brain, well no, it's it doesn't always
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Speaker 2: work out that well. So make your decision with your heart.
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Speaker 2: So that's what coherence is. I mean, that's a real
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Speaker 2: you know's the that's the twenty five cent version. There's
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Speaker 2: a whole book called The heartmath Solution that talks about
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Speaker 2: heart coherence and if you really want to go into
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Speaker 2: it deeply, that's a fabulous book. They're an incredible organization
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Speaker 2: that have done a ton of work with heart coherence. So,
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Speaker 2: but the heart is the big Khuna, and that's who's
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Speaker 2: we need to have the heart sitting on the throne
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Speaker 2: making the decisions.
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Speaker 1: The green wisdom of Pam Montgomery her book co Creating
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Speaker 1: with Nature Healing the Wound of Separation. Pam, one more time,
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Speaker 1: please share with our listeners where they can get your
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Speaker 1: books and find out more about you and your wonderful work.
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Speaker 2: They can go to my website Wake Uptnature dot com
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Speaker 2: and you can learn what I'm what kind of classes
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Speaker 2: are going on, and you can buy my book there
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Speaker 2: and I will sign it for you.
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Speaker 1: Pam, thank you so much for joining us and share
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Speaker 1: your experience, your wisdom and your big heart.
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Speaker 2: You are so welcome and thank.
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Speaker 1: You for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor the
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Speaker 1: Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.