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With Great Power #314... 22 Panels with Matt Kindt · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:01
  Tad Eggleston: We're starting almost in media res here. We kept having good parts of our conversation, so I'm gonna… Challengers is where I see your artwork on the wall on a regular basis.
• 0:10
  Matt Kindt: Oh, yeah, okay.
• 0:11
  Tad Eggleston: Henry Lime is, like, dead center behind the counter.
• 0:14
  Matt Kindt: No, that's great. I… I miss that shop. I need to come back up. I haven't been to Chicago in a few years, so.
• 0:20
  Tad Eggleston: Well, welcome to 22Panels, Mr. Matt Kint. You've been on my shortlist for a really long time, so when I saw that you were being publicized by Superfan, and they're really good for setting stuff up for me, I was so excited!
• 0:37
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, I'm so excited. As soon as I realized this was the baseball meets comics podcast.
• 0:43
  Tad Eggleston: It is.
• 0:43
  Matt Kindt: I was like, I have… I have to be on here.
• 0:46
  Tad Eggleston: It is. Like, I love… I… I have…
• 0:51
  Tad Eggleston: four reoccurring lifelong hyperfixations, and they're baseball, music, comics, and, I'm gonna be really specific, policy. I have zero interest in politics.
• 1:05
  Tad Eggleston: Though it bleeds into policy. I have lots of interest in how government works.
• 1:11
  Tad Eggleston: How to do better.
• 1:13
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, okay, alright.
• 1:14
  Tad Eggleston: Does that make sense?
• 1:15
  Matt Kindt: That doesn't make sense. It seems like the most useful of all those things.
• 1:20
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, I think they all play together.
• 1:25
  Matt Kindt: They all play together.
• 1:27
  Matt Kindt: No, it's interesting, like, I… I was thinking about that the other day, because I was like, I think I have, like, too much stuff, I want to get rid of.
• 1:34
  Matt Kindt: extraneous things in my life, you know, and I look around, and I'm like, well, I have books. I love books, I can't get rid of them. That includes comics.
• 1:43
  Matt Kindt: And then I love, movies. Can't get rid of those. Love movies.
• 1:48
  Matt Kindt: And then, Board game.
• 1:51
  Tad Eggleston: I'll have all my CDs.
• 1:52
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I'm a board game fan, so I have a bunch of…
• 1:54
  Tad Eggleston: Board games, I have your board game.
• 1:56
  Matt Kindt: Yes, thank you.
• 1:57
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't found anybody to play it with me yet, so I don't know how. I've read through the rules.
• 2:03
  Tad Eggleston: figured out.
• 2:04
  Matt Kindt: Alright, well, if we meet up in Chicago, I can… I, I'll reluctantly, teach you and then get beat by you.
• 2:11
  Matt Kindt: I love it.
• 2:11
  Tad Eggleston: I will toss out that, like.
• 2:13
  Tad Eggleston: I, I… and talk to me off-air, but I might be able to also arrange lodging, so you only need to be able to get up here.
• 2:21
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, no, that's cool, I'll figure it out. I definitely… it's been too long since I've been to Chicago. Yeah. I love the guys at Challengers, and…
• 2:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, they're great, though I have to shill for Modern Age Comics and Algonquin now, because…
• 2:35
  Tad Eggleston: Psychocomicology, Edgar Ramos and Lee Woods and Samantha Ramos, psychologists that use, use their, use comics in their practice, bought a store.
• 2:49
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, okay. So there…
• 2:51
  Tad Eggleston: They're on my podcast regularly, they own a store, I book their events, I go out there regularly, they get me my comics cheaper, so, like, I have to plug them too, but I still have a pull list at Challengers as well, even though it's an hour away.
• 3:04
  Matt Kindt: I can't, visit both. Yeah. Is it… where is it? Is it west? North of… Oh, okay.
• 3:11
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, alright, we'll hit them both.
• 3:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we'll make it work.
• 3:16
  Tad Eggleston: We'll make it work.
• 3:18
  Matt Kindt: I love… I love a good comic shop.
• 3:22
  Tad Eggleston: great comic shops are… like, every city I go to, I look for a comic shop and a music store, and if I… like, I'm really happy if I can do a comic shop, a music store, and a baseball game.
• 3:33
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, I would always do, every convention.
• 3:37
  Tad Eggleston: Major League, minor league, I don't care.
• 3:39
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I would do… every convention, I would… I would always go to whatever the stadium was, I'd go there if they were in town, you know.
• 3:44
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 3:45
  Matt Kindt: A lot of times they book, like, San Diego, I've been to maybe 20 times, they're always gone, you know, they don't…
• 3:50
  Tad Eggleston: Did you know that they used to have…
• 3:54
  Tad Eggleston: a… it depended on the year, how they split up the teams, but most of the time, it was publishers versus distributors, or editors versus publishers. Yeah. Softball game at San Diego every year.
• 4:06
  Matt Kindt: That sounds so fun, dude, I would… I would…
• 4:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:11
  Matt Kindt: kitchen.
• 4:11
  Tad Eggleston: told me about it.
• 4:13
  Matt Kindt: Well, that's… they should, they should just have, like, Marvel versus DC versus Image versus, whatever, every publisher have a team, you know, and we'll have some playoffs.
• 4:22
  Tad Eggleston: Kitchen Sink used to have their own team. He hasn't gotten to me yet, but he came across a,
• 4:28
  Tad Eggleston: A set of the baseball cards they made for themselves.
• 4:31
  Tad Eggleston: So at some point, I'll get my kitchen sink… Softball league baseball cards.
• 4:36
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, dude, that's so great. Here's what I'll say, I love softball. I haven't played in a long time, and I was… I was never very… I was good at fielding. I'm good at catching, throwing, and but I'm not… I don't hit very hard or anything, but,
• 4:52
  Matt Kindt: I was on… I used to work at the Sporting News, and they had a team, so I'd be on that team.
• 4:56
  Tad Eggleston: Huh.
• 4:56
  Matt Kindt: Really good.
• 4:57
  Tad Eggleston: You worked at the sporting news?
• 4:58
  Matt Kindt: at sports. Yeah, I designed coffee table books.
• 5:01
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
• 5:02
  Matt Kindt: This was, like, the McGuire home run era. I actually designed a book that was, like, all about the home run record.
• 5:09
  Tad Eggleston: I got to see… McGuire's, I think 60… 4th, and Sammy 62nd.
• 5:21
  Tad Eggleston: For the change in my pocket.
• 5:24
  Tad Eggleston: Because they happened in the second game of a doubleheader at Wrigley.
• 5:29
  Tad Eggleston: And I got off the train.
• 5:31
  Tad Eggleston: when I saw that there was still baseball going, I was taking a class at the Lakeshore campus of Loyola, and living… or, no, I was taking a class at the downtown campus, and living on the Lakeshore campus, so I was heading back to…
• 5:46
  Tad Eggleston: To my dorm, and saw the game was still…
• 5:49
  Tad Eggleston: going, and a friend of mine and I jumped off.
• 5:52
  Tad Eggleston: And we found a scalper, because they were sold out.
• 5:56
  Tad Eggleston: But he was so desperate to get rid of his tickets, because it was already, like, the second inning of the second game.
• 6:02
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:03
  Tad Eggleston: We wound up giving them up.
• 6:05
  Tad Eggleston: For the change in his pockets, they were the third row behind home plate.
• 6:10
  Matt Kindt: Oh my god, dude, those are good seats, too.
• 6:12
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, that's cool. That's cool.
• 6:15
  Tad Eggleston: He had… he had held on too long.
• 6:17
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, right place at right time, man, that's what you… that's what you gotta do, is just, wait it out.
• 6:24
  Matt Kindt: No, I… so, here's my softball, sir. I hit,
• 6:28
  Matt Kindt: I, don't hit for power, I'm medium speed, but we, I can hit… I can hit it where… I can hit it wherever. So it always hits the right fielder there. Worst fielders over there, so I'll just hit the right field every time, so I can get on… I can get a single, you know. Right.
• 6:49
  Matt Kindt: But the one time… this is my only home run I've ever hit in my entire life. It's, like, the greatest moment in my softball slash baseball, career.
• 6:59
  Tad Eggleston: I've only got a couple myself, and they feel really good, don't they?
• 7:02
  Matt Kindt: No, well, it comes with a caveat, because I hit it over the head of the right fielder, and I'm rounding first, and as I'm rounding first, my
• 7:10
  Matt Kindt: shoe comes off, because I'm just running so hard, you know, I can feel it. My shoe comes off, and by the time I'm around second to third, my sock is starting to slide down, and my sock is just long, and flapping, and then flapping, and then I… around third, and I… and then slide into home, and I'm… and
• 7:27
  Matt Kindt: I'm safe, but I slide under the legs of the guy who's at the home plate, like, into his crotch.
• 7:36
  Matt Kindt: And then I was safe, and it was a home run, but everybody was laughing so hard. I was like, this is my… my triumphal… triumphant moment, and I had one sock almost all the way off, and I slid into this guy's crotch at the end. It was… it was,
• 7:51
  Matt Kindt: It was exactly what I wanted out of a home run.
• 7:54
  Tad Eggleston: There you go.
• 7:56
  Tad Eggleston: There you go.
• 7:58
  Tad Eggleston: No, I had two in my life, one literally bounced off the fence and over, so it, like, just barely hit that top… you know, they've got the yellow things on the top of the chain.
• 8:09
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:10
  Tad Eggleston: That, but it went the right direction.
• 8:13
  Matt Kindt: That's good, that counts, man, that counts.
• 8:15
  Tad Eggleston: No, it was a much better picture.
• 8:19
  Tad Eggleston: Much better picture.
• 8:21
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, I was good at outfield. I love running for balls, catching.
• 8:25
  Tad Eggleston: I was good at throwing from the outfield, but not great at judging fly balls.
• 8:30
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I love… that's my favorite part.
• 8:32
  Tad Eggleston: as many as I'd like, but, but, but, like…
• 8:36
  Tad Eggleston: I was the guy that would throw you out.
• 8:39
  Tad Eggleston: You try to stretch that single into a double, or double into a triple, whatever. I once accidentally knocked a kid out because I hit him in the… you know, it was… it was just the wrong angle, and the ball hit him in the back of the helmet, rather than going…
• 8:55
  Matt Kindt: Yup.
• 8:56
  Tad Eggleston: I felt terrible.
• 8:57
  Matt Kindt: But he was out.
• 8:59
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, that's not, you know, that's not your fault.
• 9:04
  Tad Eggleston: No.
• 9:05
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, we will certainly talk more baseball, but we should probably talk some comics, because my…
• 9:13
  Tad Eggleston: You are returning to your magnum opus.
• 9:16
  Tad Eggleston: At least that's how I've always described it.
• 9:19
  Matt Kindt: And…
• 9:19
  Tad Eggleston: And I… first, I wanted to show you, and I only grabbed one of them, I bookmarked… or I,
• 9:25
  Tad Eggleston: Book clubbed Mind Management with a friend.
• 9:28
  Matt Kindt: Nice.
• 9:28
  Tad Eggleston: Probably 4 or 5 years ago.
• 9:30
  Matt Kindt: Okay, cool.
• 9:32
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, look at that, oh my god.
• 9:34
  Tad Eggleston: Every volume has that many posts.
• 9:36
  Matt Kindt: It's got, like, 100 post-its stuck in there.
• 9:38
  Tad Eggleston: Right, and it's, it's, it's all, like, questions.
• 9:42
  Matt Kindt: Doesn't Question on every one. Right.
• 9:45
  Tad Eggleston: So, I have had my first question for you.
• 9:50
  Tad Eggleston: planned out since before I had a podcast.
• 9:53
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, okay.
• 9:54
  Tad Eggleston: how do you keep track of it all? Do you have, like, that red string bulletin board set up to tie everything? Because that's what I imagine, is Matt and his typewriter with, like, the murder board up, with all the red string crossing each other, and…
• 10:13
  Matt Kindt: No, you know what's funny is, is, like, the trick for me is, like, I don't do that, I'm not organized. The trick for me is, like, I work on it, I binge work, so I'll work on… I'll get a whole thing done all at once, or within…
• 10:26
  Matt Kindt: You know what I mean? I don't work on anything else until that's done. So, especially with that book, it was all I was doing.
• 10:33
  Matt Kindt: I think that was all I was doing, but I just was, like… I just sit down, do… write it all at once, then go draw it all at once, and then… So it's all in my head at the same time, so there's nothing to keep track of. I did keep notes. It was too big after a while.
• 10:47
  Tad Eggleston: I was about to say, like, you have to stop and eat or spend time with family at some point, so, like… Yeah, yeah. I mean, I get that you're not doing…
• 10:58
  Matt Kindt: Nevermite.
• 10:59
  Tad Eggleston: Other books, but these are complicated books, man!
• 11:03
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, because it's… I guess,
• 11:06
  Matt Kindt: That's what my editor today, she texted me and was like, how… she's like, how are you doing this? And I was like, well, I was like, that's all I'm doing, I don't… you know what I mean? I sleep, I eat, I'm doing this, I'm not… I haven't played video games, haven't watched any movies, haven't watched TV, haven't done anything else, so I just do it.
• 11:23
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 11:23
  Matt Kindt: But I do… I do it all in a few big sittings where I just get most of it out, like, either, like, the detailed outline, or the whole… all the notes, so it's all together. And then, and then when I'm doing that, the whole book… the whole thing is just in my head is like a…
• 11:39
  Matt Kindt: almost like a movie, like, I could see it playing out. So everything after that is just, like, typing it down, and then drawing what I… what it's already done, you know, so it's… it's a…
• 11:49
  Matt Kindt: I don't know, there's no… I don't think there's any trick to it, but I definitely, here's… here's the other thing, though. It takes up all of my brain. As soon as I'm done, I flush it out, so I don't remember anything. Like, once I'm onto the next book, I've forgotten. I've forgotten it all.
• 12:05
  Matt Kindt: which is… it's great when you go back then and re-read if I'm reading or proofing lettering or something. Right. Because I'll… I'll read something, I was like, oh, that's…
• 12:13
  Matt Kindt: That's pretty funny.
• 12:16
  Matt Kindt: It's like somebody else wrote it, you know? And
• 12:20
  Matt Kindt: And then my wife, the day, I was like, oh, that ending, that's a pretty good ending. My wife's like, are you reading your own thing and talking about how your ending is good? I was like, yeah, but it's like somebody else wrote it. It's like, it feels like somebody else wrote it, and now I'm being entertained by it, so…
• 12:36
  Tad Eggleston: I, this is… and I gave you a taste of this in the email today. My brain goes all over the place, and you're reminding me of an interview
• 12:45
  Tad Eggleston: David Bowie gave, I think, around the Earthling album.
• 12:50
  Tad Eggleston: Where, where, where somebody asked him.
• 12:52
  Tad Eggleston: like, so… like, talk about your influences in this album, and he just started laughing, he's like, okay, this is… this is gonna sound so pretentious, but I swear to God, it's not supposed to be. See, my son is 6, and he wanted…
• 13:07
  Tad Eggleston: to hear my old stuff, and so we've been listening to, like, Ziggy Stardust, and Hunky Dory, and… and I haven't listened to any of these in, like, 30 years.
• 13:19
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:20
  Tad Eggleston: So, so they're actually, like, my biggest influence on this album is.
• 13:25
  Matt Kindt: It's me!
• 13:28
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, I… but here's the thing, I think that's the creative impulse, right? For, at least for me, is like, I want to make a thing that I would want to read, the thing that I don't see anywhere, that, so you're creating a book that you would like.
• 13:42
  Matt Kindt: You know, so I think if you're able to do that, and then if years go by, and you forget about it, and you look at it, hopefully you would like it, because you kind of made it for yourself.
• 13:50
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, one would hope.
• 13:52
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 13:52
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, it would definitely…
• 13:54
  Tad Eggleston: Nope.
• 13:54
  Matt Kindt: And but the thing is, I don't go back and reread anything. I did… I did read,
• 14:00
  Matt Kindt: mind management again, before I started again, because I wanted to…
• 14:04
  Tad Eggleston: I was about to say.
• 14:05
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, but not to tie in with it, I purposely… I wanted to make this thing so standalone, separate, that you could never read that old series and still be satisfied by this new one.
• 14:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I mean, so far, you're not gonna… I mean, I've just read the Free Comic Book Day book and Issue 1, and because I said those words, I officially can't publish this until after noon Eastern tomorrow, because it's still embargoed.
• 14:33
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:34
  Tad Eggleston: when we set this up for this time, there was a little thrill to go, oh, wait a minute, I get to talk to him while it's still embargoed? That's so cool!
• 14:43
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, alright, cool. I, yeah, we could talk about everything then.
• 14:48
  Matt Kindt: Hold on.
• 14:50
  Tad Eggleston: But having read those, those two, like…
• 14:55
  Tad Eggleston: I can already feel, like, people who know what they're getting into are gonna get that much more special of a…
• 15:02
  Tad Eggleston: experience. You know, they're little Easter eggs, callbacks… I don't even know what to call them, because they're…
• 15:09
  Tad Eggleston: It's mine management, so it's not quite…
• 15:14
  Tad Eggleston: It's never quite what it would be in another book.
• 15:18
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, it's… it's a little… it's a little off. If you've read the old stuff, it's a little off, on purpose. And to me, it's just like a… I don't know.
• 15:28
  Matt Kindt: trying to think of an analogy. Like, high school. Like, if you're a freshman coming in, that's what new readers are, right? If you're a senior, you're like, yeah, I've been here before, I get what's going on, and then,
• 15:38
  Matt Kindt: Perfect. Know what to expect.
• 15:39
  Tad Eggleston: Perfect analogy.
• 15:40
  Matt Kindt: It's really what it is, but it's… but it's its own… everybody's experiencing that same year, you know, at the same time, and
• 15:47
  Matt Kindt: So yeah, so maybe that's it. But yeah, I didn't… the other part of it was, I looked at it, I… I reread it all, because I didn't want to repeat anything. I didn't want to do, like, all the…
• 15:57
  Matt Kindt: the weird stuff I did, and, like, there's a lot of format things and different ways of.
• 16:02
  Tad Eggleston: I love it.
• 16:03
  Matt Kindt: You're telling us, I didn't want you to…
• 16:04
  Tad Eggleston: Doing other format things already.
• 16:06
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, that's the idea, it's like, okay, I did that, I don't want to do that again, like…
• 16:11
  Tad Eggleston: format things. Yeah, yeah.
• 16:13
  Matt Kindt: so different. I'm trying something different, which is making it harder, but also, like,
• 16:18
  Matt Kindt: I have a… I have a bigger picture playing this time. I think the first time around, I had an idea for this sprawling series with all these characters that would sort of weave…
• 16:29
  Matt Kindt: Through all these different, times and places, and
• 16:35
  Matt Kindt: But I didn't know… like, I knew… I knew the ending. I knew the ending, and was like, how we get there, we'll figure it out. We'll go along the way. But this time, I have the whole thing figured out, and I'm trying to… I'm trying to mess around with not just, like, the… what's on the page, but also, like, how it makes you feel.
• 16:51
  Matt Kindt: From arc to arc. So, like, the… at the beginning, it's like detectives and this duo who's… who's trying to solve these murders, you know, and it's hopefully kind of comfortable as far as, genre and what they're doing, like a procedural mystery where they're looking for clues and finding, and almost kind of
• 17:10
  Matt Kindt: Not basic, but like a… like a…
• 17:13
  Matt Kindt: all these tropes that you're used to, like detective duo, girl and a guy, maybe they're gonna… are they gonna have a romance? Are they… what are these murders? They're really weird, who did it?
• 17:24
  Matt Kindt: all these kind of, like, just generic tropes. And as a way to sort of be like, oh, this is… what a fun, relaxing comic, you know? And then, I just finished writing the next, like, 5 through 8, and it's the craziest… it's the craziest shit I've ever put on paper in my life.
• 17:44
  Matt Kindt: But, hopefully I've tricked you into getting that far.
• 17:47
  Tad Eggleston: That's… that's saying something.
• 17:50
  Matt Kindt: Like.
• 17:52
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I had, I, like, there's…
• 17:56
  Tad Eggleston: you've done so much work, and really so much amazing work that, like, I had to…
• 18:01
  Tad Eggleston: Pull up and refresh myself.
• 18:05
  Tad Eggleston: before we got started, to make certain that I, like…
• 18:09
  Tad Eggleston: add in my head… I didn't want to forget that, like, Oh, you know…
• 18:16
  Tad Eggleston: You did a book with your mom.
• 18:18
  Tad Eggleston: That, that turned better.
• 18:20
  Tad Eggleston: detective trope on its head in a beautiful… and…
• 18:24
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, really quick, we gotta do… because I mentioned earlier, my mom is one of the people that does listen to all of the episodes. So, mom, spoiler alert, if you haven't read Guilt Frame yet, pause the podcast and finally go read it. It's sitting in your living room.
• 18:44
  Matt Kindt: Oh, that's good. That book's for her.
• 18:46
  Tad Eggleston: It is, it's totally for her.
• 18:48
  Matt Kindt: Go get it.
• 18:49
  Tad Eggleston: She's that kind of mystery nut, too. But, like… This is what, like.
• 18:56
  Tad Eggleston: And again, spoiler alert, everybody, I am spoiling it, it came out 2 years ago, deal with it, because I don't know how to give you this piece of praise without spoiling it.
• 19:09
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, do it. You've hit the warnings.
• 19:11
  Tad Eggleston: Right. So… At the end of Issue 1, I was like, oh…
• 19:20
  Tad Eggleston: They're the thieves and the killers. And by the end of Issue 2, I was certain that they weren't.
• 19:26
  Matt Kindt: Fun…
• 19:27
  Tad Eggleston: they were at the end of the season.
• 19:30
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 19:32
  Tad Eggleston: So to manage to pull that bait and switch, like, like.
• 19:38
  Tad Eggleston: To have… have me, like, okay, I got this, no, no, I don't think so. And then, boop, yep, you were right 3 months ago.
• 19:48
  Tad Eggleston: That's like a special kind of talent.
• 19:51
  Matt Kindt: No, it's… it's, it was fun working with my mom. My mom's got that mind for that, too, like, all the… the mystery, and the… and the… all… all the details of the… the mystery, and the detectives, and… and the…
• 20:05
  Matt Kindt: She's got a good brain for that, and she's been writing all her life, so we had a lot of fun. The… the beauty of those books is we had an idea for the first one. While we're doing the first one, we had an idea to do a trilogy, so there's two more books.
• 20:17
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, we just…
• 20:17
  Matt Kindt: We just finished writing the second one, so the script's done, we're just gonna write them all, so they're all written, and then I can draw them at my leisure, because I'm just… it's too busy right now for me to draw them, but…
• 20:26
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, because you got that whole mine management thing going.
• 20:29
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, so I have to kind of weigh, I can't draw two books at the same time, but.
• 20:34
  Tad Eggleston: I'll tell you a little bit.
• 20:34
  Matt Kindt: The comic show.
• 20:35
  Tad Eggleston: You want Issue 1.
• 20:36
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff is.
• 20:41
  Matt Kindt: I haven't given.
• 20:41
  Tad Eggleston: by somewhere.
• 20:42
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff is… April 27th, so soon, and it'll be in storage June 24th. Anyway…
• 20:52
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, so we wrote, we came up with the idea for the trilogy, so the first book is, like, who did it, right? The second book is, oh, now we know who did it, but how are they going to get away with it? And the third book is, how do they get caught? So we… Oh, wow. It's a way of sort of doing every kind of
• 21:08
  Matt Kindt: Mystery, murder mystery, you know, the all-in-one thing where the… it's the same, sort of,
• 21:15
  Matt Kindt: Main characters every time.
• 21:17
  Matt Kindt: But that's fine. I think the second book's even better than the first one, and the third one's gonna be,
• 21:22
  Matt Kindt: nuts. They're gonna…
• 21:25
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I believe it. I mean, everything you do is nuts. I mean, I'm…
• 21:30
  Tad Eggleston: again, I'm just floating through, and like…
• 21:34
  Tad Eggleston: as you were talking about mind management, I found myself thinking about
• 21:39
  Tad Eggleston: subgenre and bang, and going, are they really in the universe? Because they already felt like they were kind of in the universe, but now the way you're talking about the new mindbag management, are they?
• 21:53
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, boy, here's what I would say, read those carefully. Also, you don't need to, but if you do, you'll be like… you'll,
• 22:04
  Matt Kindt: You'll start to glom onto some things maybe a little earlier.
• 22:07
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I might have to go dig them out again.
• 22:13
  Tad Eggleston: It's one of the problems with the fact that I buy all your stuff in single issue. I have to, like…
• 22:18
  Tad Eggleston: Work harder to read it again, or go buy it again.
• 22:21
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, man, I appreciate it.
• 22:23
  Tad Eggleston: the ladder. Just go by the…
• 22:26
  Matt Kindt: Doing the monthly, though, is, that's great, that's what keeps us, it keeps the industry going, you know, is the people that go in.
• 22:34
  Matt Kindt: Buy those monthly books.
• 22:36
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and, and, like, again…
• 22:43
  Tad Eggleston: I'm trying to think of all of the different ways I have described your work through the years, because it depends on which one, and I haven't even…
• 22:50
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't even tackled your Valiant stuff yet, because…
• 22:54
  Tad Eggleston: like, I know that I need to tackle that whole era of Valiant.
• 23:00
  Tad Eggleston: because it was, what, you and Lemire? I think Van Lenti took over for…
• 23:06
  Tad Eggleston: as it went into… like, there's, like, two waves of valiant stuff that just…
• 23:12
  Tad Eggleston: Seems to have redefined a pretty cool universe?
• 23:16
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Matt Kindt: No, that's fun, that's probably the most…
• 23:19
  Matt Kindt: It's definitely the most fun, create… or, work-for-hire stuff I've ever done, you know, because we were sort of taking these legacy characters and relaunching them, and then working with
• 23:28
  Matt Kindt: friends, like, I'm still friends with everybody that we worked with. I worked.
• 23:31
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and here we're gonna go full circle, too, like, cause you worked in the Valiant universe, and then more recently, you've worked…
• 23:40
  Tad Eggleston: with one of the originators of the Valley Universe, David Lapham.
• 23:44
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 23:45
  Matt Kindt: Like, can you believe that?
• 23:47
  Tad Eggleston: Dude, what was…
• 23:48
  Matt Kindt: I remember being in college and reading Stray Bullets, and it was, like, my favorite comic.
• 23:52
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, it's so good.
• 23:53
  Matt Kindt: Like, this guy is so good at writing and drawing, so good. And then… and then to find myself…
• 23:59
  Matt Kindt: paired up with him, writing scripts for him. I'll tell you, I've been nervous only a few times in my comic book career, but sending him the first script was one of those times.
• 24:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, he's a master. I'm blessed to have gotten to talk to him once so far.
• 24:18
  Tad Eggleston: We'll drag him on again, I'm certain.
• 24:21
  Tad Eggleston: He's another baseball guy, Orioles fan.
• 24:23
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, he, which is totally fine, you know?
• 24:27
  Matt Kindt: That's… I allow it, but .
• 24:31
  Tad Eggleston: The wife does screen printing.
• 24:33
  Tad Eggleston: So I have all sorts of t-shirts, and this is a THB Paul Pope sweatshirt, but she made me a t-shirt. He… in stray bullets, they went to an Orioles game.
• 24:45
  Tad Eggleston: And there's a panel that's just a beautiful Eddie Murray-hitting panel, so I have a David Lapham, Eddie Murray t-shirt.
• 24:55
  Matt Kindt: That's cool, does he know that?
• 24:57
  Tad Eggleston: It does.
• 24:58
  Matt Kindt: Man, that's.
• 24:59
  Tad Eggleston: It does.
• 24:59
  Matt Kindt: You should have us both back. We'll talk mainly.
• 25:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, well, I… you know what? I will work on that, because Hero Trade… Hero Trade and, Night City was just… I just finished…
• 25:11
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, I sent… sent him an email this last Wednesday, because I think he had 3 books come out this Wednesday? He had Night City, he had…
• 25:25
  Tad Eggleston: or maybe it was only two. It was, it was, it was the last Night City and the first, HAB.
• 25:32
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, it's still weird any time an artist has…
• 25:37
  Tad Eggleston: Two books come out on the same day, particularly because he's also got… Da-da-da-da-da… American…
• 25:48
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, what's it called? The, the, the, the Dark Horse book.
• 25:53
  Tad Eggleston: that he's doing with the… the… I know Shelly Bond is… I had the whole team on, and I can't remember them right now.
• 25:59
  Matt Kindt: What is that?
• 26:00
  Tad Eggleston: Jelly Bond is editing, and… and…
• 26:04
  Tad Eggleston: the guys from Grand Theft Auto are writing.
• 26:07
  Matt Kindt: Oh, yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, he was telling me about that, I can't remember the title.
• 26:10
  Tad Eggleston: It's ridiculously good. I mean, like…
• 26:14
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm drawing a blank on the name right now.
• 26:16
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 26:17
  Tad Eggleston: Which is just terrible, because again, I got to talk to that whole team. That's how I finally got to meet David Lapham.
• 26:25
  Matt Kindt: American Caper.
• 26:27
  Matt Kindt: There we go.
• 26:29
  Tad Eggleston: Because I know Shelly, and when she announced it, I'm like, Shelly!
• 26:33
  Tad Eggleston: I want to meet David Lapham, can I talk to all of you?
• 26:37
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, he's great. Yeah, have us both back. That'd be great. He… he, I was so nervous to work with him at the beginning, and then we… because I'd been on a panel with him, like, years ago, and I was like, hey, I just want to… to the side, I was like, I'm just… I'm a huge fan of whatever, I can't believe we're both up here, whatever, he's a nice guy. Then years later, we ended up working together, and then… and now we talk on the phone.
• 26:57
  Tad Eggleston: See, you talking about you being on a panel reminded me of something. You could have been on 22 panels a long time ago, and via one of my baseball people, because you were on a panel at San Diego with Christopher Cantwell.
• 27:10
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, okay.
• 27:11
  Tad Eggleston: And… and I desperately wanted you, so… so my wife literally… Designed an invitation.
• 27:20
  Tad Eggleston: that Chris printed up and took with him.
• 27:23
  Tad Eggleston: To give to you, to invite you on 22 panels, but you darted too fast for him to get it to you.
• 27:30
  Matt Kindt: I was like, I don't remember getting it. So, yeah, yeah, maybe I did.
• 27:34
  Tad Eggleston: No, you didn't get it, because as soon as the panel was over, you were off.
• 27:38
  Tad Eggleston: And I got a text from him saying, I'm so sorry, he ran away before I could…
• 27:43
  Matt Kindt: I probably had another signing or something I had to go run to or whatever, or I was just trying to get out of there.
• 27:51
  Matt Kindt: Good, bud.
• 27:52
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah.
• 27:52
  Matt Kindt: It wasn't my fault.
• 27:53
  Tad Eggleston: No, I don't blame anybody, I just… I just remembered it when you said panel. I went, oh yeah, that's right, I know somebody you paneled with.
• 28:04
  Matt Kindt: No, that's great. Yeah, LabM's great. We… we, and now we talk on the phone.
• 28:10
  Matt Kindt: And we'll talk about whatever stories, just whatever, and then I get off the phone, and I'm like.
• 28:14
  Matt Kindt: Guess who I just talked to?
• 28:18
  Tad Eggleston: Talk to me about Night City, because that's gotta be totally crazy. You write, he draws, you color, so, like…
• 28:25
  Tad Eggleston: You get to see…
• 28:29
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, you know what was interesting is,
• 28:32
  Matt Kindt: I don't know, we didn't… didn't have a colorist yet, and I was like, you know what? I was like, what if I painted Lapham? Because I remember, loving his work back in the 90s, Valiant, and it was all… that was not digital color, it was all hand-painted or hand-colored stuff, you know.
• 28:47
  Matt Kindt: And I was like, maybe he'd be up for it. So I… I asked him, I was like, hey, can I just do… I'll just do a couple test pages, because I don't know if it'll work either, you know? So let me just paint a couple, I'll send them to you, and if it's good, then we'll just… we'll just…
• 29:01
  Matt Kindt: well, I'll just keep doing it. And so, I don't know what happened, but the deadline came up, Issue 1,
• 29:08
  Matt Kindt: it was due, and I was like, oh my god, alright. So I just painted the whole issue, scanned it in, turned it in, and I was like, oh my god.
• 29:15
  Matt Kindt: I forgot to send them the sample pages to approve, so I was like, I was like, oh, no.
• 29:21
  Matt Kindt: And so I called him right away, I was like, look, dude, I… I forgot to send you those, the deadline was due, so I just cranked it, I finished it all, turned it in. And he was like, no, no, it's alright, it looked great. He was happy with it, and he had… it was interesting, because he hadn't been colored.
• 29:40
  Tad Eggleston: No, he hasn't been… I mean, until…
• 29:41
  Matt Kindt: The 90s.
• 29:42
  Tad Eggleston: Recently, not much of his stuff has been…
• 29:45
  Matt Kindt: Or, or, and if it hasn't been, it's been digital, and right. And so, so he's actually, he really liked it, and I was so…
• 29:52
  Tad Eggleston: That was one of the things that we talked about with American Caper. It was weird.
• 29:57
  Tad Eggleston: seeing his stuff colored. Not as weird, because he also,
• 30:01
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, first of all, I think a couple of the… the…
• 30:05
  Tad Eggleston: The Bad Idea books have gotten colored.
• 30:08
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 30:09
  Matt Kindt: And…
• 30:10
  Matt Kindt: There's another one that he did.
• 30:12
  Tad Eggleston: image that got colored.
• 30:16
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, color's always okay, but for his art, I prefer black and white. You know, there's some people… I like Jeff Smith, I prefer black and white. Lapham, black and white. Paul Pope, black and white.
• 30:25
  Tad Eggleston: Jeff's a good guy.
• 30:26
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, I…
• 30:28
  Tad Eggleston: took me on a backroom tour of the Billy Ireland.
• 30:33
  Matt Kindt: That's cool. Now, he… he's always been super friendly. He gave me a blurb for my very first book, I never forgot it, so I always thank him every time I see him.
• 30:40
  Tad Eggleston: He's… he's such a good guy.
• 30:42
  Tad Eggleston: Such a good guy. And this is where I'll quickly plug, Cartoon's Crossroads comes back April of 2027.
• 30:50
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, mark your calendars right now, everybody should be in Columbus.
• 30:55
  Tad Eggleston: in April… I'll get the exact weekend here, because…
• 31:02
  Tad Eggleston: They had to move it from the fall to… the…
• 31:07
  Tad Eggleston: spring, because they don't get the Ohio State football schedule.
• 31:12
  Tad Eggleston: Early enough anymore.
• 31:14
  Tad Eggleston: So, April 15th to 18th, 2027.
• 31:18
  Tad Eggleston: I'm skipping this year, but back…
• 31:22
  Tad Eggleston: Full-on in 2027. Have you been to that one?
• 31:25
  Matt Kindt: No, I'd love to do it. I'd love to do it. I hear about it, but it's…
• 31:29
  Tad Eggleston: Well, this is where I'm gonna say, Matt, like.
• 31:31
  Tad Eggleston: This is the one that I tell people, if you're not doing it, you should just go.
• 31:37
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:37
  Tad Eggleston: Give yourself a weekend and just go.
• 31:40
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Because… It's just a special con.
• 31:46
  Matt Kindt: Mmm.
• 31:46
  Tad Eggleston: You know, like, it's the only con I know where, like.
• 31:51
  Tad Eggleston: You always want to be at all the panels, and that makes it difficult, because…
• 31:58
  Tad Eggleston: Like, then how do you get to the floor to talk to people and buy stuff?
• 32:03
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, no, I get it, I get it. No, the older I get, the more I'm… I want to do these… I want to do, like, small little one-day shows and everything, and
• 32:13
  Matt Kindt: And I do… some of the most fun I had last year was just doing some mini-comics.
• 32:18
  Matt Kindt: I did, I did too many comics, I think. I did, like, a…
• 32:23
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 32:23
  Matt Kindt: I did nerdy well. I do a webcomic for my Patreon, and so I put, like, a bunch of those together and just…
• 32:29
  Tad Eggleston: Is that to pay for your Patreon now?
• 32:31
  Matt Kindt: Mini comic, you don't have to pay for it. But, I bet that…
• 32:34
  Tad Eggleston: I want your webcomic.
• 32:36
  Matt Kindt: And then I did, it'll be out eventually, and Owen's gonna put it… put it out, just wait for it.
• 32:42
  Matt Kindt: But, yeah, I have, like, a year and a half's worth of… it's, like, basically 3 graphic novels worth of stuff on there.
• 32:48
  Tad Eggleston: This is… this is what I'm saying.
• 32:51
  Matt Kindt: But it's funny, I do it, like, weekly or every other week, so I just forget after a while that it starts to build up. Yeah. What did I do? I did a… I'm a fan of the Viagra Boys, this band, and so I illustrated one of their songs as a mini-comic.
• 33:05
  Tad Eggleston: Viagra Boy?
• 33:06
  Matt Kindt: And then I… that one, I gave… I gave that mini-comic out at the… they came into St. Louis, and I just went to the show, and I just gave it out to everybody.
• 33:14
  Tad Eggleston: nice.
• 33:15
  Matt Kindt: I had, like, 100 copies printed, I think, and then… But that's some of the most fun I had. I'm doing a…
• 33:20
  Matt Kindt: Minneapolis. My daughter lives in Minneapolis now, she graduated from school, and so we go up there every time we can, and there's… there's a little one-day spring con that's gonna be there in, I guess I'll plug that. When is that? That's in, June.
• 33:35
  Matt Kindt: It's the weekend before Heroes.
• 33:37
  Matt Kindt: But that's just, like, a one-day show, I got a table for that. I think I'm just gonna make mini-comics to sell there, like, old.
• 33:43
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I will, I will say that, insert name…
• 33:51
  Tad Eggleston: Comic Cuisine Fest in Minneapolis is one that, 22 Panels has been supporting
• 33:59
  Tad Eggleston: For as long as we've been around.
• 34:02
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, like, I will totally plug that one for you to either go visit your daughter and go to the con, or, like, I know the… I know the people, I could probably get you a table.
• 34:13
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, no, I… I just want to go… yeah, I… we'll see what the dates are. I know I was looking all… scouring the dates to see what I could do this year, and and I have… there's a lot of… there's so many good cartoonists up there, like Xander Cannon's one of.
• 34:25
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 34:26
  Matt Kindt: He's amazing, he's up there. He's gonna be at this one, too. That's what I…
• 34:30
  Matt Kindt: I just love these little one-day shows, and then Heroes is still just, like, a straight-up comic show, I love that.
• 34:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I still need to get out to Heroes. That's… that's…
• 34:40
  Matt Kindt: That's a good one, man.
• 34:41
  Tad Eggleston: Of the… of the… the cons that I… I… Haven't been 2.
• 34:50
  Tad Eggleston: in the United States, that's probably top of my list.
• 34:53
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 34:54
  Tad Eggleston: go worldwide, I think only Thought Bubble and Anglem.
• 34:59
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 35:00
  Matt Kindt: is awesome, Uncle Lim's great. You know what one I liked is, lucca Festival in Italy.
• 35:09
  Tad Eggleston: I've heard of that one.
• 35:10
  Matt Kindt: That one's amazing, too, that was really…
• 35:12
  Tad Eggleston: Supposedly, Lake Como is really good, too?
• 35:14
  Matt Kindt: I haven't been to that one, but I would like to be invited.
• 35:16
  Tad Eggleston: Elsa Chardier was just writing about.
• 35:19
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 35:20
  Tad Eggleston: Just looking forward to heading out for that one.
• 35:23
  Matt Kindt: No, that's good. I think I need to draw better to get invited to that one.
• 35:28
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, they appreciate comics, though.
• 35:31
  Matt Kindt: No, no, they, they do, they do.
• 35:35
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I like the cons that I… like, I go to C2E2 every year because it's the Chicago con.
• 35:43
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Tad Eggleston: And because I've learned how to just hide an artist's alley and or…
• 35:50
  Tad Eggleston: go to panels, and this year I actually hosted 4 panels, which was kind of cool. It was the first time I've…
• 35:55
  Tad Eggleston: hosted panels, and…
• 35:57
  Matt Kindt: Okay, that's cool. Do you like it?
• 35:58
  Tad Eggleston: experience. I enjoyed myself, yeah.
• 36:02
  Matt Kindt: Oh, that's good. You know what? Newark Comic-Con's pretty great, too. The artist alley there is just a gigantic.
• 36:06
  Tad Eggleston: I've heard, and I have enough people that live out in New York, or near New York, that I could…
• 36:12
  Tad Eggleston: I might put in panel submissions this year, because if I can get a panel, I'll just go… I'll drive out and stay with a friend.
• 36:20
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 36:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no.
• 36:22
  Matt Kindt: Shit, it's worth it. It's great.
• 36:24
  Tad Eggleston: I might go back to San Diego someday. I… I went, like…
• 36:30
  Tad Eggleston: The last year before it became crazy.
• 36:34
  Matt Kindt: Which year was that?
• 36:36
  Tad Eggleston: I think it was 98?
• 36:38
  Tad Eggleston: maybe 99? I was literally… I was on vacation in Southern California with family, and we heard an ad for it on the radio in the LA area, and shot down to San Diego for the weekend, and were able to buy tickets at the door, and Kevin Smith was the biggest name there.
• 36:56
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Outside of comics.
• 36:58
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, no, I… I, my first year there was 2000.
• 37:03
  Matt Kindt: And I remember waiting, standing in line at the…
• 37:06
  Matt Kindt: at the… whatever, I got a table there, and I was staying in line to get my badge.
• 37:12
  Matt Kindt: And then, I backed up because I heard something, and I stepped on the foot of the guy behind me, and the guy behind me was Stan Lee, waiting in line for that… his badge, too.
• 37:21
  Matt Kindt: So, it wasn't too bad in 2000, but every graph for that.
• 37:25
  Tad Eggleston: Broke Stanley's foot, is what you're saying.
• 37:27
  Matt Kindt: I didn't take it, but I was like, oh man, I'm sorry.
• 37:31
  Tad Eggleston: Knocked over an old man, and somehow they still let you write Spider-Man?
• 37:35
  Matt Kindt: He wasn't that old back then, that was a while ago.
• 37:40
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I, no, my biggest regret, though, and one of the few reasons that I would kind of like to go back.
• 37:51
  Tad Eggleston: I wasn't nearly as steeped in… I mean, I was a steeped reader, but I wasn't into comics culture.
• 37:57
  Tad Eggleston: So when I saw it said Artist Alley, I thought that meant only artists were allowed.
• 38:04
  Matt Kindt: Oh. Yeah.
• 38:08
  Tad Eggleston: You know, and it wasn't even that packed. And every once in a while, I've, like, seen lists of people who were there in 98 and gone, oh my god, the number of people that I could have talked to.
• 38:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Except that I didn't know it was allowed.
• 38:21
  Tad Eggleston: I thought you needed to have a special badge.
• 38:24
  Matt Kindt: No, that's good. No, there's probably better places to talk to people now.
• 38:29
  Matt Kindt: New York's still pretty good for that.
• 38:32
  Tad Eggleston: But, but yeah.
• 38:33
  Tad Eggleston: But, you know, I've got this podcast now, and the crazy thing about comics is, like, everybody says yes.
• 38:41
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, it's a… I'm too…
• 38:43
  Tad Eggleston: small for anybody. That's weird to me. It's totally weird to me, Matt.
• 38:49
  Matt Kindt: I've heard about you for years. I've been trying to get on this podcast for at least 3 years.
• 38:56
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'm easy to get a hold of, Matt.
• 39:01
  Matt Kindt: No, I don't… but I also don't want to be presumptuous, you know? It's weird to be like… I was like, hey, let me be on your.
• 39:05
  Tad Eggleston: I can't remember if I've sent you an email through your site or not, because I kind of try to forget who I send emails to, and just wait for things to come back, but you might be on the list of people that I was too afraid to.
• 39:20
  Matt Kindt: Also, you might have done it in my emails, is basically a dumpster fire, so…
• 39:24
  Tad Eggleston: No, I get that too.
• 39:27
  Tad Eggleston: No, actually, in the, in the early going, like… I… I long have had…
• 39:39
  Tad Eggleston: great difficulty reaching out to people I don't know and asking for things, which isn't an easy thing to practice, because for the most part, you don't need to do that unless you really need to do that. So it sucks if you can't do that.
• 39:54
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:55
  Tad Eggleston: But there's no good way to practice it. So when I started the podcast, I went, oh, I have a way to practice this.
• 40:01
  Tad Eggleston: And I started… You know, it's like, okay, you gotta send…
• 40:05
  Tad Eggleston: 5 emails a day, only, like, everybody responds, so I had to, like, dial it way back, because…
• 40:11
  Tad Eggleston: We were scheduling too many podcasts.
• 40:14
  Tad Eggleston: But then the other thing I did was, like.
• 40:17
  Tad Eggleston: back when Twitter wasn't a dumpster fire, what I liked about it was you couldn't send a message until they
• 40:26
  Tad Eggleston: followed you.
• 40:27
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, so it's really.
• 40:29
  Tad Eggleston: That was kind of a nice feature. So it's like, oh, they've given you the thumbs up to send a message.
• 40:35
  Matt Kindt: Hmm.
• 40:36
  Tad Eggleston: So I kinda… I promised myself, oh, if I know this person, I'll… I'll send a message.
• 40:42
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, it never hurts. Here's what I'll say, is that, one year, I was at Baltimore, Darwin Cook came up to my table and was like, hey, Matt, I'm just a big fan of mind management, blah blah blah, really love your stuff. I was like, oh my god, dude, I didn't…
• 40:57
  Matt Kindt: I was like… I love your work and everything, and then,
• 41:01
  Matt Kindt: a few years later, I emailed him something, and then he emailed back, he was mad at me because I hadn't come up to him, like, the next year at Baltimore, I hadn't come up to say hi to him or anything. He's like, you didn't… I was there, you were there, you didn't say anything. I was like, what the heck, what's wrong with you? And I was like.
• 41:17
  Matt Kindt: I felt so bad, but I was like, I'm not…
• 41:20
  Matt Kindt: I'm too shy to do that, dude. I was like, I don't…
• 41:22
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 41:23
  Matt Kindt: I mean… No, I get it.
• 41:24
  Matt Kindt: And then just…
• 41:25
  Tad Eggleston: Me too?
• 41:25
  Matt Kindt: You know? And so… and then, and then he passed away, like, the year after that, and I just… it haunted me. Like, that haunted me, and I was like…
• 41:34
  Matt Kindt: So I just remember being…
• 41:35
  Tad Eggleston: So, was he mad, or was that email mad? Because that's the other thing that I can never tell, is somebody messing with me in an email?
• 41:46
  Matt Kindt: He was that.
• 41:47
  Tad Eggleston: Excuse me.
• 41:48
  Matt Kindt: mad, but I forgive him.
• 41:50
  Matt Kindt: But but no, but here's why. Here's what was great about that, is then the next year, I was at Kansas City, and I'm stand… I'm sitting at my table, staring at Bill Sienkiewicz at his table, doing drawing sketches and everything, and I was like.
• 42:02
  Matt Kindt: I love Bill's work so much, I was like, I'm gonna go. And all weekend, I was like, I'm too shy, I can't go… wait, he's not gonna… like, does he know me? And then I can't presume he does, you know, because I don't… not everybody knows everybody.
• 42:15
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 42:15
  Matt Kindt: And then, so I'm just like, I'm just gonna go up there and just… and then by Sunday afternoon, I finally did. I was just like, this is ridiculous. I'm a grown adult. And,
• 42:26
  Matt Kindt: And I went up and I was like, hey, blah blah blah, and I think he knew who I was, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. He acted like he did, so either way, it doesn't matter. I like that he acted like it, you know?
• 42:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, it's so funny, because…
• 42:39
  Matt Kindt: He's done covers for me since then, so I think he does know me.
• 42:43
  Tad Eggleston: At least now.
• 42:44
  Matt Kindt: But yeah, now he does. And what I realized is, like, oh, I… I… I like it when people do that to me, you know? And so, I was like, they… I think everybody does, like, you just…
• 42:56
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I think overall, people don't go to cons if they don't like some people to come up and say, hey, I like your stuff.
• 43:04
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, and that's…
• 43:05
  Tad Eggleston: And it's even cooler if it's a pier rather than…
• 43:09
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Matt Kindt: No, it's… it's all on me, and I still have… whatever that anxiety is, I still have it for, like… like, if we have to order pizza over the phone, I can't be the one that does it.
• 43:20
  Tad Eggleston: No, I love that you can order pizza online now.
• 43:23
  Matt Kindt: I know, I don't have to talk to a person. It's so bad for me, because I'm even more out of practice, you know?
• 43:30
  Tad Eggleston: Get it.
• 43:32
  Tad Eggleston: See, we're finding more, more reasons that we should be friends, Matt.
• 43:36
  Matt Kindt: I know. What's funny is, like, I could sit and do this, this is different. Somehow this is different, you know, than, like, calling up and ordering a pizza, or talking to somebody…
• 43:45
  Tad Eggleston: Because you know that I like comics already. So you know that we have at least one thing to talk about.
• 43:51
  Matt Kindt: That's true, and that pizza guy, I don't know what he likes.
• 43:55
  Tad Eggleston: You don't know what he likes, you don't know if he's had a good or a bad day.
• 43:59
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:00
  Tad Eggleston: you know… I mean, like… 800 episodes of a podcast,
• 44:09
  Tad Eggleston: aside, I'm actually pretty much an introvert, but there are certain places where I'm not.
• 44:16
  Tad Eggleston: You know, if I'm in a comic shop, and there's a good chance that you're into comics, I'm less introverted.
• 44:23
  Tad Eggleston: At a baseball game, I'm less introverted. I still don't start the conversations, but I don't have trouble
• 44:32
  Tad Eggleston: joining in one, particularly if I think I've… like, if I hear you talking about something, and you get something wrong, or you can't remember a player, or…
• 44:42
  Tad Eggleston: whatnot, you know, I'll turn and say, oh yeah, that was Jody Davis.
• 44:46
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 44:49
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, that's funny. Yeah, it's weird, man. I don't… and I don't get… I haven't been nervous.
• 44:55
  Matt Kindt: public speaking, or… I haven't been nervous in, like, a long time.
• 45:00
  Matt Kindt: But.
• 45:01
  Tad Eggleston: Public speaking's easier, too, because, like.
• 45:03
  Matt Kindt: bother me, yeah, it's like you… it's because you know what you're talking about. You're… whatever the thing is, you're the one… you know more about that than anything else. Right. It's not hard.
• 45:11
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and you know that they care about hearing it.
• 45:15
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:16
  Tad Eggleston: is the two things that I worry about
• 45:18
  Tad Eggleston: Are a little bit sounding dumb, but really about talking too much.
• 45:24
  Tad Eggleston: at somebody who really doesn't want to listen to what I'm talking about.
• 45:29
  Matt Kindt: Oh, that's what… yeah, and I think that's what it is. I just assume people don't want to hear what I… you know, I was like, oh, they're not… this is…
• 45:35
  Tad Eggleston: With… with public speaking, they wouldn't be there if you didn't… if they didn't want to hear what you were talking about, with…
• 45:41
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, like, I think, like, speech class is harder than real public speaking.
• 45:46
  Tad Eggleston: Because it's like, pretend public speaking, and the students are required.
• 45:51
  Matt Kindt: Nobody be there.
• 45:53
  Tad Eggleston: I'm a teacher, I can handle that. Not all my students want to hear my stuff, but there's a reason that they should hear my stuff.
• 45:58
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, exactly.
• 46:02
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, put me at a party?
• 46:07
  Tad Eggleston: And I'll try to be invisible.
• 46:10
  Matt Kindt: Probably won't go to the party.
• 46:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I often have that.
• 46:13
  Matt Kindt: I mean…
• 46:15
  Tad Eggleston: I don't go to many parties. I meant, like, if I didn't have a choice.
• 46:19
  Matt Kindt: Yeah. Like that.
• 46:20
  Tad Eggleston: wedding that you can't get out of, or… I am the king of leaving weddings early.
• 46:26
  Matt Kindt: Yep, no, that's the way to do it. Now, the older I get, the less… the more I'm like, you know, I don't even think… I don't have to go there. I don't have to do that. Right.
• 46:35
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 46:36
  Tad Eggleston: Right. I mean, the only crowds I have any interest in… our concerts, Baseball games, And occasionally.
• 46:47
  Tad Eggleston: comic conventions, but there, I'm even pickier about my crowds than concerts or baseball games.
• 46:52
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 46:54
  Matt Kindt: No, I will, mike said, I love board games, so I'll go to a big board game… I go to Gen Con every year.
• 46:59
  Tad Eggleston: Do you?
• 47:00
  Matt Kindt: Giant crowd in a…
• 47:02
  Tad Eggleston: Lake Geneva is… like…
• 47:05
  Matt Kindt: It's not there anymore, it's in Indianapolis. It's named…
• 47:08
  Tad Eggleston: I know that, but they still have something in Lake Geneva, too, don't they?
• 47:12
  Matt Kindt: I don't know. That I don't know.
• 47:13
  Tad Eggleston: I think they do.
• 47:15
  Matt Kindt: But, that's one.
• 47:16
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, Lake Geneva is, like, 20 minutes from my house.
• 47:20
  Tad Eggleston: 25.
• 47:22
  Matt Kindt: I wish it was still there. It's so big now that this last year, I was like, maybe this is too big for me, I don't like…
• 47:27
  Matt Kindt: Bumping into people all the time, trying to get a board game, you know?
• 47:32
  Tad Eggleston: I know there's still something in Lake Geneva, because Jim Zub was there.
• 47:38
  Matt Kindt: But it might…
• 47:39
  Tad Eggleston: be more…
• 47:40
  Matt Kindt: He does a lot of game stuff.
• 47:42
  Tad Eggleston: RPG than… than board game.
• 47:45
  Matt Kindt: Yup.
• 47:46
  Matt Kindt: No, I don't… I don't do RPGs so much, because I don't wanna… Too social.
• 47:52
  Tad Eggleston: Pretty much like work.
• 47:53
  Matt Kindt: It really is, it's like, oh, if I'm gonna make something up, I'm gonna, put it in a book and get paid for it.
• 48:00
  Matt Kindt: I've got… I wanna break… I wanna…
• 48:03
  Matt Kindt: I want something with structure and rules, and there's a winner and a loser.
• 48:10
  Tad Eggleston: What's your favorite board game right now?
• 48:12
  Matt Kindt: Right now, I just learned this new one called On Mars, which, I don't know if it's my favorite, it's just the one I just… I spent, like, a day and a half learning it, because it's so complicated. It's by this game designer named, his last name's Lucerda, and he's known for designing these, like, big, complicated games.
• 48:31
  Matt Kindt: And and it's really good. It's part of the fun for the games for me is, like, figuring out how it works. You know, what are the… so the more complicated, the better. This is one of those.
• 48:41
  Matt Kindt: I was joking with my wife, I was like, look, she got from me for Christmas. I was like, it's… it was so expensive because it's so complicated. Look how complicated it is, that's why it costs so much.
• 48:52
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I don't get to… like, I… I like that sort of stuff.
• 48:58
  Tad Eggleston: I don't have enough people in my life that do to be able to do…
• 49:03
  Matt Kindt: You gotta have, yeah.
• 49:04
  Tad Eggleston: My wife has about, like, a 30-40 minute time limit for… so we'll play Ticket to Ride, we'll play Settlers of Catan.
• 49:13
  Tad Eggleston: Y-you know, I mean, I can get her past, like, The simple, simple games, but…
• 49:20
  Matt Kindt: Yo.
• 49:21
  Matt Kindt: But, like…
• 49:21
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 49:23
  Matt Kindt: My wife, she likes card games, you know, like, 20-minute long ones, you know. Right. But you definitely, you have to have a friend or somebody who's… who's willing to spend, like, a whole day learning and then playing a game, you know, that's… Right.
• 49:36
  Tad Eggleston: And I don't have that group right now.
• 49:38
  Matt Kindt: I have a… luckily, Brian, my studio mate, Brian Hurt, who's also the.
• 49:42
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, Brian Hurts in your studio.
• 49:44
  Matt Kindt: my other new book, Fort Psycho, which we could plug here, too.
• 49:47
  Tad Eggleston: We'll definitely… Fort Psycho is coming out a month after Mind Management, so I think it's just officially been solicited, so give me a second, and I'll have, like, the final order cutoff dates and whatnot.
• 49:59
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:00
  Tad Eggleston: Go ahead.
• 50:01
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I do that while I… I, but Brian, who… we've been studio mates for, like, 10 years, we've shared two different studios, and
• 50:10
  Matt Kindt: He's… we sort of fell into board games at the same time, got into him, so he's the guy. We spent…
• 50:16
  Matt Kindt: We spent a whole day,
• 50:19
  Matt Kindt: what was the game? It was some Lord of the Rings game, where it literally took… we woke up, started playing at 10, and we were done at, like, 9pm.
• 50:26
  Matt Kindt: That night, it took all day to do in a…
• 50:30
  Matt Kindt: So you gotta have somebody like that who's willing to just…
• 50:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, absolutely. That's… that's the… that's the key. I will… I will toss out that the Fort Psycho has not been solicited yet, so I don't have an official final order cutoff or release date. However, I will remind people that
• 50:47
  Tad Eggleston: There is a Fort Psycho Mind Management double feature on Free Comic Book Day. I have read it, both halves are…
• 50:55
  Tad Eggleston: Excellent.
• 50:56
  Tad Eggleston: And, just show up on May 2nd and get your comics. If you're at Modern Age Comics in Algonquin, we have, Tim Seeley and Greg Petrie in store to sign your books.
• 51:11
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, that sounds good. We will be at Betty's Books in St. Louis.
• 51:15
  Tad Eggleston: Benny's books?
• 51:15
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, buy these books.
• 51:17
  Tad Eggleston: Let me add that to my list of comic shops that I need to go to.
• 51:21
  Matt Kindt: Those…
• 51:22
  Tad Eggleston: I, E, or Y?
• 51:24
  Matt Kindt: Why?
• 51:26
  Matt Kindt: No, it's great, and it's,
• 51:28
  Matt Kindt: walkable from my house, I'm really going off.
• 51:31
  Tad Eggleston: That's always a… that's always a bonus.
• 51:38
  Tad Eggleston: Wait a minute.
• 51:42
  Tad Eggleston: Is it…
• 51:43
  Matt Kindt: B-E-T.
• 51:44
  Tad Eggleston: I'm seeing a Benny's Books…
• 51:46
  Matt Kindt: B-E-T.
• 51:47
  Tad Eggleston: 5013C.
• 51:49
  Matt Kindt: No.
• 51:52
  Tad Eggleston: That, that, that, that, that's a charity.
• 51:55
  Tad Eggleston: Let me put St. Louis.
• 51:57
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 52:00
  Tad Eggleston: It might… is it the charity?
• 52:02
  Matt Kindt: No, it's a… zip code is 63119.
• 52:09
  Matt Kindt: It's on Big Ben.
• 52:11
  Matt Kindt: Rips and groves.
• 52:14
  Matt Kindt: we're gonna be doing a… I'm bringing my typewriter, and I'm gonna make little, ID cards for everybody that shows up, with a little sketch of them as a character, and then their specialty, and then their backstory, you know, and their,
• 52:30
  Matt Kindt: whatever their abilities, either mind management or forward psychology.
• 52:33
  Tad Eggleston: Wait a minute, did you say… Betty? Not Benny?
• 52:37
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, Betty, B-E-P-E-L.
• 52:41
  Tad Eggleston: the T's rather than the N's makes all the difference. Betty's book, Graphic Books for All.
• 52:49
  Matt Kindt: That's it.
• 52:53
  Tad Eggleston: Just… just made my list of comic shops I have to go to.
• 52:57
  Matt Kindt: No, it's really great. It's really… they…
• 52:59
  Matt Kindt: There's sort of good coffee there, too, which is…
• 53:01
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, even better.
• 53:03
  Tad Eggleston: There aren't enough comic shops to have coffee.
• 53:06
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I know, man, it's like, why.
• 53:08
  Tad Eggleston: My favorite one closed, too. Did you ever get to, amalgam Comics in Philadelphia?
• 53:16
  Matt Kindt: -
• 53:17
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, it was fantastic.
• 53:19
  Tad Eggleston: Black woman run… own shop.
• 53:23
  Tad Eggleston: Great music, great coffee, great curated selection of Like, graphic novels, Just… wonderful shop.
• 53:34
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 53:34
  Tad Eggleston: That, that unfortunately closed in, I think, 22 or 23?
• 53:40
  Tad Eggleston: Managed to get there twice, and I have the mug.
• 53:43
  Matt Kindt: No, that's great, dude. That's… that's a… that's a hard… it's a hard business to be in. And to do it well, or whatever, is even harder.
• 53:58
  Tad Eggleston: Did they have you listed as… Oh, there's also face painting with Kenya and painted tattoos with Jess from 9 to 10.30 at Betty's Book.
• 54:09
  Matt Kindt: She asked what time we were going to do it, so we think we just sent it to her so that we might not be out.
• 54:13
  Tad Eggleston: It says 11 to 2.
• 54:14
  Matt Kindt: 11 to 2, yeah, that's when we're doing it. That's what we said. We didn't want to wake up late, we didn't want to work too, or we didn't want to wake up early or work too late.
• 54:23
  Matt Kindt: yeah, spend by $25.
• 54:27
  Tad Eggleston: and roll a D20 for a discount.
• 54:30
  Matt Kindt: What the heck?
• 54:32
  Matt Kindt: No, it should be fun. They have a great… they have a great, like, selection of graphic novels and everything, and .
• 54:40
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this looks like a cool store.
• 54:42
  Matt Kindt: That's… that's… that's my local shop.
• 54:49
  Tad Eggleston: Staff picks are testament and dreaming in color.
• 54:53
  Matt Kindt: They have a book club, too, when I… I try to drop in on their book club when I can.
• 54:59
  Tad Eggleston: I love it when their books
• 55:01
  Tad Eggleston: I'm hoping to get one going.
• 55:04
  Tad Eggleston: Sooner rather than later out at, modern age, but, like… Teaching.
• 55:11
  Tad Eggleston: And in a different direction from the shop.
• 55:14
  Tad Eggleston: Like, my house, the shop, and the school are like a 40-minute triangle. Like, the house to school is 40 minutes, the house to the shop is 40 minutes, and the shop to school is 40 minutes.
• 55:29
  Matt Kindt: That's a lose-lose-lose triangle there.
• 55:34
  Tad Eggleston: So, like… Right now, it limits a lot of my stuff to behind-the-scenes scheduling and whatnot.
• 55:45
  Tad Eggleston: Making the connections. Telling them, hey, order this book.
• 55:50
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, you know, I was talking to Brian the other day about this, is what I miss. I miss drives. Like, our… the studio's, like, a 5-minute drive from here, and then if you're not commuting into work, like, a 20-minute or so drive, you… I miss…
• 56:05
  Matt Kindt: That, there's, like, a thinking time in there, where.
• 56:08
  Tad Eggleston: It's also when I get to listen to my books.
• 56:10
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, you listen to the books, but I… I was driving in the studio the other day, and it was… it's literally, like, 5 or 6 minutes from the house to the studio, and in that time, I did have an idea. I was like, oh, I got this great idea. I got in, and I was like, Brian, I had this great idea while I was driving, and I was like… but I was like, if I had had a 20-minute drive, I probably could have had even more ideas.
• 56:30
  Matt Kindt: And I just don't… don't have that anymore, and we…
• 56:33
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I do some crazy thinking in the car.
• 56:35
  Matt Kindt: Yes.
• 56:35
  Tad Eggleston: sometimes have to take notes at stoplights, or as soon as I pull into the parking lot.
• 56:40
  Matt Kindt: No, there's some… there's something about the rhythm, and the sound of the road, and the…
• 56:44
  Matt Kindt: It sort of puts you in, like, a weird flow state that I think is conducive to being creative.
• 56:50
  Matt Kindt: we… one of my favorite trips was Heroes. Brian and I would usually drive there, it's like a 13-hour drive. Yeah. So we'll wake up early, and we'll drive, and then all day, all we'll do is, like, talk… have a checklist of
• 57:03
  Matt Kindt: ideas he's working on, ideas I'm working on, we'll just, like, talk about them, and for, like, 13 hours, it was some of the most productive driving we've ever done, you know, I think…
• 57:11
  Tad Eggleston: Well, if you need an assistant, and you wanna… and you can get me in, I'll drive down to St. Louis and share the driving.
• 57:18
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, alright, alright, yeah, I'll, I can bounce some ideas off you.
• 57:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, cause, cuz… is on my… and actually.
• 57:29
  Tad Eggleston: This year, my wife and I had different spring breaks, and I… and I did panels at C2E2, because C2E2 wound up being at the end of my spring break. I think it was 2022,
• 57:39
  Tad Eggleston: was the last time we had different spring breaks, and I went on what we called the 22 Panels Ill-Advised Comic Shop Tour.
• 57:49
  Matt Kindt: Where did you go? Where was the tour?
• 57:51
  Tad Eggleston: I… I hit Challengers on my way out of town.
• 57:54
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, okay.
• 57:55
  Tad Eggleston: I went to a store in Valparaiso that I can't remember the name of.
• 58:00
  Tad Eggleston: I got to meet, and we're gonna give a quick rest in peace, because I saw today that he passed away. I met Gibb at,
• 58:09
  Tad Eggleston: Laughing Ogre in Columbus.
• 58:12
  Tad Eggleston: Great, great guy, we talked for, like, 2 or 3 hours.
• 58:15
  Tad Eggleston: and then I cut down to…
• 58:21
  Tad Eggleston: Charlotte, so that I could go to here's…
• 58:25
  Tad Eggleston: So I've been to the shop, but I haven't been to the con.
• 58:29
  Matt Kindt: No, that's alright. That doesn't… that doesn't sound ill-advised. It sounds great.
• 58:33
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but then from there, I went up to…
• 58:37
  Tad Eggleston: I cut through and hit Big Planet in DC.
• 58:41
  Tad Eggleston: and Third Eye in Annapolis on my way to stay with a friend in New Jersey.
• 58:47
  Tad Eggleston: I stayed with him for, like, 3 days, and during that day, we spent 1 day where we shot into Brooklyn and did…
• 58:54
  Tad Eggleston: Bulletproof, anyone… And then JHU in Staten Island on our way out.
• 59:02
  Tad Eggleston: And then… We did a full loop through… Pennsylvania and… and…
• 59:13
  Tad Eggleston: New Jersey the next day, where we went up to Comics on the Green in Scranton.
• 59:18
  Tad Eggleston: We hit Amalgam in Philadelphia, and we hit, like, 4 other shops that I can't remember.
• 59:26
  Tad Eggleston: And then I met my friend Bob Scranton.
• 59:32
  Tad Eggleston: Manhattan to go to the Strand, and…
• 59:38
  Tad Eggleston: God, Matt Rosenberg used to work there. Matt Rosenberg and Tyler Boss worked there, and I can't remember the name of the story. Forbidden Planet? Does that sound right?
• 59:46
  Matt Kindt: That sounds good.
• 59:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 59:48
  Matt Kindt: That, or Midtown, but I don't know.
• 59:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 59:51
  Matt Kindt: I don't know where they are.
• 59:52
  Tad Eggleston: A town I didn't actually make it to.
• 59:54
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 59:54
  Tad Eggleston: didn't actually make it to Midtown. All of the stores I hit in New York that trip, I didn't hit Midtown.
• 1:00:00
  Matt Kindt: That's crazy, dude.
• 1:00:01
  Tad Eggleston: I met with Marcus Kwame Anderson at Aquilonia, outside of… Albany.
• 1:00:11
  Tad Eggleston: I hit a couple of stores in Rochester. I hit a store that had a coffee shop in Buffalo.
• 1:00:18
  Tad Eggleston: I hit… Is it John and Nancy's?
• 1:00:23
  Tad Eggleston: John and something in Cleveland on the way home that, Durf Bechdurff had told me to go to.
• 1:00:29
  Matt Kindt: Nice.
• 1:00:31
  Tad Eggleston: And, I hit 2 different… Vault of Midnights in…
• 1:00:39
  Tad Eggleston: It hit the, the East Lansing and the…
• 1:00:42
  Tad Eggleston: Grand Rapids Fall to Midnights in Michigan.
• 1:00:47
  Tad Eggleston: Before getting back home.
• 1:00:48
  Tad Eggleston: So it was like.
• 1:00:51
  Matt Kindt: That might be more…
• 1:00:52
  Tad Eggleston: 20-some-odd stores in 9 states.
• 1:00:55
  Matt Kindt: That might be more comic shops than I've ever visited in my lifetime.
• 1:00:58
  Tad Eggleston: 10 days.
• 1:00:59
  Matt Kindt: of them.
• 1:01:00
  Matt Kindt: Now, I did… I remember one year before I was…
• 1:01:03
  Matt Kindt: comics full-time. I was working at the Sporting News, and they… they sent me and another guy out to LA for a graphic design conference.
• 1:01:12
  Matt Kindt: And one afternoon, I dipped out of the conference, and I just took a cab. This is before Uber. This is, like, 19…
• 1:01:19
  Matt Kindt: No, this is, like, 2000. 1999, maybe.
• 1:01:22
  Matt Kindt: And I just took a cab to every… every comic shop.
• 1:01:26
  Matt Kindt: It was in the phone book, you know, it was a full apple and all that, whatever.
• 1:01:30
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it was 98 or 99 that I was out there, and…
• 1:01:35
  Tad Eggleston: it was all… I mean, the reason we wound up at Comic-Con is it was… it was the year that I was obsessively tracking down every Frank Miller Daredevil.
• 1:01:46
  Tad Eggleston: And mind you, this is, like, before the internet was even really a thing. So, really, I was just looking for, like, the earliest Daredevil I had.
• 1:01:57
  Tad Eggleston: that had Frank Miller was, like.
• 1:01:59
  Tad Eggleston: 159, and the latest one I had was somewhere in…
• 1:02:05
  Tad Eggleston: Born again, so, like, 2…
• 1:02:08
  Tad Eggleston: 14 to 15, so I figured I was looking for at least 10 issues on either side.
• 1:02:15
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:17
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, those are the days, right, where you had to get the Overstreet price card, and, like, who's the rider? Who's the,
• 1:02:24
  Matt Kindt: Where you, mail order Mile High Comics, man, I used to order a bunch of stuff from there. Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Matt Kindt: Yeah. I've been to.
• 1:02:30
  Tad Eggleston: One mile high.
• 1:02:32
  Matt Kindt: I know, I've heard all about it, and I have yet to go.
• 1:02:36
  Tad Eggleston: I have been to Mile High.
• 1:02:37
  Matt Kindt: It's been in life.
• 1:02:38
  Tad Eggleston: It's huge.
• 1:02:40
  Matt Kindt: That's cool. I would love to get there. We almost went there one year, and then something fell through. I couldn't… whatever, we couldn't make it happen, but…
• 1:02:46
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I have a Google Map with, like.
• 1:02:56
  Tad Eggleston: Hundreds of comic shops pegged on it.
• 1:02:59
  Tad Eggleston: That I either have been to or want to go to.
• 1:03:02
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:03:03
  Tad Eggleston: Cuz…
• 1:03:04
  Tad Eggleston: I just… I love a good comic shop. I love a bad comic shop. I mean, like, comic shops, to me, are kind of like ballparks, and I remember
• 1:03:13
  Tad Eggleston: I think it was Will Leach did all 30 ballparks in one year, and wrote an article on each one of them.
• 1:03:19
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Tad Eggleston: And the one about… Tropicana Field in Tampa.
• 1:03:26
  Tad Eggleston: like… was all about how terrible it is, but then finished with, but, all told.
• 1:03:34
  Tad Eggleston: Spending an afternoon at a ballpark beats pretty much anything else I could have done.
• 1:03:40
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, that's great. That's great.
• 1:03:42
  Matt Kindt: No, every comic shop. I remember when I was a kid, we would do driving vacations, and me and my brother… I have an older brother, he was really into comics.
• 1:03:51
  Matt Kindt: he got me into comics, and we would drive to wherever it was. You know, when we lived in Kansas City, we'd drive to St. Louis. When we lived here, we would drive… we went down to Texas for the Gulf Coast one year for vacation. Whatever hotel we stay in, we would grab the Yellow Pages, and we would look up comic books.
• 1:04:10
  Matt Kindt: stores, and see where the local shop was, because we didn't have one near our house. Right. So every time we were out, it was like, where is it? We're probably close to one. And then you call, find out what the hours are, and it's like, they're not open till noon. No shop was open till noon on…
• 1:04:24
  Tad Eggleston: Of course not.
• 1:04:24
  Matt Kindt: Back in the… whatever, this was, 80s.
• 1:04:26
  Tad Eggleston: They weren't open on Mondays.
• 1:04:28
  Matt Kindt: So it's like, oh my god, they're not… and then we have to get an early start for our vacation to do whatever family thing we were doing and everything, and now we're gone, so the place we were, we never… we would never get to go to a comic shop, but we always tried, you know?
• 1:04:43
  Matt Kindt: But, that's how desperate back then it was. Like, just… now everything seems so easy, you know what I mean? You can…
• 1:04:49
  Tad Eggleston: easy.
• 1:04:50
  Matt Kindt: Download it, or order it, or shop to it.
• 1:04:54
  Tad Eggleston: And digital is definitely a game changer in terms of being able to read stuff.
• 1:04:58
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, I was, what did I… I was…
• 1:05:03
  Matt Kindt: I was re… I… Jeff Lemire's, Minor Arcana, he sent it to me as a PDF, the first issue as a PDF, and I was like, that was great, I'll get it when it comes out. Well, I missed it, and then I couldn't find the book anywhere, and then I go online and can't order it. It's like, I don't know if it's out of… temporarily out of print, book one.
• 1:05:21
  Matt Kindt: So then I decided to buy the digital. I was like, well, at least I… at least I can read it. Right.
• 1:05:27
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 1:05:28
  Matt Kindt: I mean, but you should have said it.
• 1:05:30
  Tad Eggleston: Hey, I drew your fill-in issues a sweet tooth, can't you just send me a PDF of those.
• 1:05:34
  Matt Kindt: I want to support it. And also, I hate reading digital. I didn't want to read it that way. I just did it begrudgingly.
• 1:05:40
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's what I mean, is rather than paying for the digital, save the money to.
• 1:05:45
  Matt Kindt: for it when it.
• 1:05:45
  Tad Eggleston: comes back in physically.
• 1:05:47
  Matt Kindt: I still support it. I'll still buy the books. But, no, I was…
• 1:05:51
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna laugh if you can buy it straight from his website. I'm checking right now, by the way.
• 1:05:56
  Matt Kindt: Don't do that. He's not gonna ship from Canada. I… I guarantee you he's not selling it.
• 1:06:02
  Matt Kindt: but
• 1:06:04
  Matt Kindt: we're doing an unofficial crossover. So there's a crossover with a character from that book that's crossing over with Mind Management, and then likewise, we're doing a secret
• 1:06:15
  Matt Kindt: No one knows about this. You're the first person I've told about this.
• 1:06:18
  Tad Eggleston: I am so excited.
• 1:06:19
  Matt Kindt: Both teams.
• 1:06:20
  Tad Eggleston: hear about it, and hopefully to see it. And yeah, it doesn't look like he has a web store right now, so you win.
• 1:06:27
  Matt Kindt: We're doing a secret crossover, so I had to… I had to make sure I got the names right. I was like, I can't remember the name of that… of somebody. I won't spoil it.
• 1:06:38
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, he's… he's another… I've got… I got to meet him at Challengers, and I gave him a card.
• 1:06:44
  Tad Eggleston: But I've never managed to get him on the podcast. He seems very shy.
• 1:06:49
  Matt Kindt: He, I took him to his first baseball game.
• 1:06:52
  Tad Eggleston: Did you?
• 1:06:53
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I was up in Toronto, just hanging out with him.
• 1:06:56
  Matt Kindt: And I was like, let's go to Toronto Blue Jays game. I was trying… I'm trying to go to… every time I go to the city, I try to go to that stadium, you know? So, I hadn't been to see Toronto, and he's like, okay, so we got…
• 1:07:09
  Tad Eggleston: That's one of the stadiums I've been to. I even stayed in the Sky Dome Hotel.
• 1:07:13
  Matt Kindt: That's pretty cool, that's pretty cool. I liked it, it was neat, it was neat. He,
• 1:07:18
  Matt Kindt: this is a… I can't remember what year it was. It was a year, Verlander was pitching for Detroit, and he was.
• 1:07:23
  Tad Eggleston: So, I've been… early…
• 1:07:25
  Matt Kindt: children.
• 1:07:25
  Tad Eggleston: mid-2000s.
• 1:07:27
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, Jeff was like, he's like, I'll order tickets online. I was like, okay. And then he's like, I got…
• 1:07:32
  Matt Kindt: like, right behind home plate, like, 4 rows back behind home plate. It was, like, 50 bucks. It was so cheap.
• 1:07:38
  Matt Kindt: And I was like, oh my god, these seasons are so great. I was like, how much were these? He's like, 50 bucks. I was like, oh, it's weird. So we went to the game, and then, he'd never been, and it was great. But Verlander, it was… he was pitching a no-hitter, like, through the sixth inning. Oh, nice. It was, like, the most super exciting.
• 1:07:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:07:56
  Matt Kindt: If you've never been to a baseball game, super boring.
• 1:08:01
  Matt Kindt: I don't think he was… it didn't really sell him on baseball, you know, but .
• 1:08:05
  Tad Eggleston: That reminds me, I had a friend…
• 1:08:09
  Tad Eggleston: And that I went to school with.
• 1:08:12
  Tad Eggleston: that she went to a White Sox game one night, and she came home, and I was going nuts. I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe you got to go tonight's game! It was amazing! She's like, it was?
• 1:08:24
  Matt Kindt: It's a little boring.
• 1:08:26
  Tad Eggleston: She was at Mark Burley's perfect game.
• 1:08:31
  Matt Kindt: And bore the tears.
• 1:08:33
  Tad Eggleston: It's like.
• 1:08:33
  Matt Kindt: Where's the shit?
• 1:08:34
  Tad Eggleston: Like, I didn't think much happened. I'm like, that's the point!
• 1:08:37
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  Matt Kindt: No, it's so funny. Yeah, it's a…
• 1:08:42
  Matt Kindt: Anyway, it was… it was a good time.
• 1:08:46
  Tad Eggleston: Baseball? But that's what I love about baseball. It's got… pastoral cadence.
• 1:08:56
  Tad Eggleston: It ebbs and flows.
• 1:08:58
  Matt Kindt: No, it's… it's relaxing. I like listening to it while I'm working, because it's… it just has a…
• 1:09:03
  Matt Kindt: It's, like, a good background.
• 1:09:05
  Matt Kindt: Vibe to it, you know?
• 1:09:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:09:08
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I grew up on Harry Carey and Steve Stone. There's…
• 1:09:13
  Tad Eggleston: Never been a better hometown call.
• 1:09:17
  Tad Eggleston: than the pair of those. I mean, there's a difference between the impartial call and…
• 1:09:23
  Tad Eggleston: And I hear St. Louis got the best of Harry's impartial years, but we got the best of his hometown years.
• 1:09:29
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, we fired him, man, that's unbelievable. We got Jack Bucks pretty great, but yeah. You know who Vin Scully, Dodgers, the best, the absolute best.
• 1:09:39
  Tad Eggleston: I told you, I was reading through the Superfan…
• 1:09:44
  Tad Eggleston: Baseball Movie Roundtable, and a number of people brought up For Love of the Game, which I'm glad that they did, because I think that that is an unheralded baseball masterpiece. It may not be a movie masterpiece, but it's a baseball masterpiece.
• 1:09:57
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Matt Kindt: What did I pick? What did I pick for that?
• 1:10:02
  Tad Eggleston: I'll go find out.
• 1:10:03
  Matt Kindt: I'm gonna look at that.
• 1:10:04
  Tad Eggleston: But what disturbed me… was nobody…
• 1:10:10
  Tad Eggleston: mentioned… you picked Moneyball, which is another good pick.
• 1:10:14
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, I stand by that, only because.
• 1:10:17
  Tad Eggleston: I don't blame you.
• 1:10:18
  Matt Kindt: I love… I love the,
• 1:10:21
  Matt Kindt: The strategy and the science and the board gaminess of it.
• 1:10:25
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, have you ever played Stratomatic?
• 1:10:28
  Matt Kindt: I haven't… my dad did, and then my… and Derek talks about it. We… we, I bought, Derek Gould, we haven't talked about him on the record yet, but my friend Derek, who's writer for the Cardinals.
• 1:10:41
  Matt Kindt: For the post-dispatch, I guess.
• 1:10:44
  Tad Eggleston: And a, a, a annual 22 panels guest.
• 1:10:47
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, he's been here before. Anyway, I, he talks about that, and then I bought him a board… this great baseball game, board game, I can't remember the name of it, he has it, but it's so fun, too, but I, when you have him on, he'll remember the name of the game. I bought him this great baseball board game. It's not that, the strategy.
• 1:11:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I've got a couple of them. I've got, like, a pizza box baseball that's okay.
• 1:11:12
  Matt Kindt: Gosh.
• 1:11:12
  Tad Eggleston: I can't remember. I'm a sucker for a baseball game.
• 1:11:15
  Matt Kindt: I… I remember when I was a kid, this is, like, 19…
• 1:11:19
  Matt Kindt: 80s, like, mid-80s, late 80s, there was a PC game that was just all
• 1:11:27
  Matt Kindt: It was all names and numbers, all stats and everything, and you do… you would do the lineups, and then put.
• 1:11:32
  Tad Eggleston: There's still some of those, and I still play them.
• 1:11:35
  Matt Kindt: through it, right? And I was like, that kind of made me love baseball. Yeah. Like, I like watching it, you know, I like the baseball part.
• 1:11:43
  Tad Eggleston: People are shocked at how few baseball games I watch on TV.
• 1:11:47
  Tad Eggleston: Because I don't actually watch a ton of games on TV.
• 1:11:51
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly because, again, I was spoiled by Arne Harris and Joe Corneo, who…
• 1:11:58
  Tad Eggleston: produced and directed every Cubs game from the very first broadcast in, like, 1950,
• 1:12:04
  Tad Eggleston: Until they died in the 2000s, and therefore nobody
• 1:12:11
  Tad Eggleston: Like, every… every baseball camera thing that you've imagined, they came up with. And the problem is, now everybody's got their football or their basketball crews going on, or shooting the games, and they don't…
• 1:12:26
  Tad Eggleston: Or at least producing the games. They don't know where… where to be.
• 1:12:32
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:33
  Matt Kindt: No, I…
• 1:12:34
  Tad Eggleston: too much time showing you the guys in the booth, which is about as boring as you can possibly get.
• 1:12:41
  Matt Kindt: No, I don't… I usually listen to it, I don't really watch it, you know?
• 1:12:44
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I love listening to baseball. Listening on the radio, or even listening to a good… TV crew.
• 1:12:53
  Tad Eggleston: is beautiful.
• 1:12:55
  Tad Eggleston: But I listen to baseball, and I read about baseball, and…
• 1:13:00
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:13:01
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I read… I read my… I read Derek's, because he's such a comic fan, too. He reads my comics, and I was like, I gotta… I gotta read what your… your work also, you know, we have…
• 1:13:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, he's the car…
• 1:13:12
  Tad Eggleston: beat writer, so I can't bring myself to read them on a regular basis, but I do read baseball every day.
• 1:13:17
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, no, he's a good writer, he's a good writer.
• 1:13:20
  Tad Eggleston: He is. He's a very good writer.
• 1:13:22
  Matt Kindt: Our, our hobbies overlap each other's, work.
• 1:13:28
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, but, but, I mean, I, I like… The,
• 1:13:33
  Tad Eggleston: The first year that we did it.
• 1:13:36
  Tad Eggleston: like, thank God Rob Nyer's a Kansas City slash…
• 1:13:40
  Tad Eggleston: Seattle fan, because everybody else was either a Mets, Yankees, or Cardinal fan, and I'm sitting there going, here I am, hosting my first baseball and comics podcast, and almost everybody roots for or works
• 1:13:58
  Tad Eggleston: writing about… teams that I despise.
• 1:14:04
  Tad Eggleston: But that also made them grow on me, because, like, now I have friends that like them.
• 1:14:09
  Matt Kindt: Now you're putting real people's faces to the teams, you know?
• 1:14:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:14
  Matt Kindt: You can't hate the person.
• 1:14:16
  Tad Eggleston: No, you're not even the only Cardinals fan that I can count among friends now.
• 1:14:21
  Matt Kindt: I know, right? We're here…
• 1:14:22
  Tad Eggleston: Call you a friend now. Is that okay?
• 1:14:24
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, let's do it. I mean… I think we've hit it.
• 1:14:27
  Tad Eggleston: off well.
• 1:14:28
  Matt Kindt: Only one Cubs fan as a friend, I guess that's you.
• 1:14:33
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Derek grew up in Chicago. He's never quite completely answered the question of his fandom.
• 1:14:41
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, he's not… it's definitely not Cubs. I think it's…
• 1:14:45
  Matt Kindt: I don't want to answer for him. I think it's, like…
• 1:14:48
  Matt Kindt: I don't know if it's Colorado? I don't know who… I think it's Colorado, weirdly.
• 1:14:53
  Matt Kindt: That'd be cool. We'll let him answer that. I should know that, actually. That'd be cool.
• 1:14:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no.
• 1:15:00
  Tad Eggleston: And actually, you know, I mean, the south side has the two most famous fans at this point.
• 1:15:07
  Matt Kindt: Who's that?
• 1:15:08
  Tad Eggleston: Barack Obama and the Pope?
• 1:15:10
  Matt Kindt: Oh, yeah, yeah. Is the Pope a fan of the White Sox?
• 1:15:14
  Tad Eggleston: He's a White Sox fan.
• 1:15:16
  Tad Eggleston: He was at a World Series game in 2005.
• 1:15:20
  Matt Kindt: I had no idea. Yeah.
• 1:15:22
  Matt Kindt: Alright, alright.
• 1:15:24
  Tad Eggleston: And in fact, the one game that they… They're doing a… Pope Hat Night in August.
• 1:15:35
  Matt Kindt: That's crazy, dude. That's crazy.
• 1:15:36
  Tad Eggleston: They started out with, like, $1,500.
• 1:15:39
  Tad Eggleston: And sold them so fast that they decided to expand it to everybody gets one.
• 1:15:45
  Tad Eggleston: And they were selling, like, 12,000 tickets a day.
• 1:15:50
  Tad Eggleston: After they made the announcement, for that game only.
• 1:15:53
  Matt Kindt: Who would've thought? Who would've thought?
• 1:15:55
  Tad Eggleston: Like, the night before Popat Night is when they're retiring Ozzie Guillen's number. It hasn't sold nearly as many tickets.
• 1:16:04
  Matt Kindt: That's… well, he shouldn't… you know what I mean? He shouldn't… what does he expect?
• 1:16:10
  Tad Eggleston: They have a Pope mural.
• 1:16:12
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, nice.
• 1:16:13
  Tad Eggleston: at Comiskey now.
• 1:16:14
  Matt Kindt: Alright.
• 1:16:15
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't… I didn't know that until recently, when I was reading about Poe Pat Night.
• 1:16:21
  Tad Eggleston: I try to go to a White Sox game from time to time. Among other things, it's…
• 1:16:25
  Tad Eggleston: Generally, it's cheaper to get in.
• 1:16:27
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's so weird, because it didn't used to be.
• 1:16:34
  Tad Eggleston: It used to drive me up the wall. I'm like, wait a minute, the White Sox are the worst team.
• 1:16:39
  Tad Eggleston: In the harder-to-get-to neighborhood, that… Isn't as nice of a neighborhood.
• 1:16:47
  Tad Eggleston: And… Their ballpark's not as good.
• 1:16:51
  Tad Eggleston: And their tickets are more expensive, and they only sell out on half-price Mondays?
• 1:17:00
  Tad Eggleston: And then I discovered that part of their deal with the state of Illinois is they don't pay certain taxes if their attendance is below a certain threshold.
• 1:17:10
  Matt Kindt: Oh, alright, well.
• 1:17:11
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm like, fucking Jerry Reinsdorf.
• 1:17:16
  Matt Kindt: No, you know, my favorite,
• 1:17:19
  Matt Kindt: Let's see, favorite ballparks? I… Dodger Stadium is probably my favorite.
• 1:17:24
  Tad Eggleston: are saying.
• 1:17:24
  Matt Kindt: We went to…
• 1:17:26
  Matt Kindt: we were in San Francisco for something to see the Giants, and the best I had… it was me and our daughter was, like, maybe 7 or 8.
• 1:17:33
  Matt Kindt: And it was… it was a chilly night, and
• 1:17:36
  Matt Kindt: At the stadium, and it was… the best part was they had Ghirardelli's hot chocolate in big backpack canisters that the guys were… Oh, wow. They were walking up and down, and then they would pump… pump out hot chocolate into cups, and I was like, this is the best… that might have been the best baseball game.
• 1:17:54
  Tad Eggleston: Was that in the new park, or Candlestick?
• 1:17:58
  Matt Kindt: New park, new park, new park.
• 1:18:00
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't been to the new park yet.
• 1:18:01
  Matt Kindt: It's like, yeah.
• 1:18:02
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't been to the new park yet, but I've been to Candlestick.
• 1:18:05
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, it's… it's beautiful. I, I, it was neat, and it was cool.
• 1:18:09
  Tad Eggleston: I think I've been to… I think I've been to, like, 5 or 6 stadiums that aren't there anymore.
• 1:18:15
  Matt Kindt: That's a bummer. I miss… Old Bush Stadium is the one I grew up on.
• 1:18:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, and I never made it down to that, but I've been to the old Comiskey Park, I've been to Riverfront Stadium in Cincinnati, I've been to Tiger Stadium in Detroit, I've been to Candlestick Park in San Francisco, Jack Murphy Stadium in San Diego.
• 1:18:34
  Matt Kindt: It's almost like those don't count now. It's like you haven't been to the ballpark.
• 1:18:37
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I have to, I have to go to the ballparks again, yeah.
• 1:18:40
  Matt Kindt: Yup.
• 1:18:41
  Tad Eggleston: But then, I've been to Fenway, I love Fenway, I love Wrigley.
• 1:18:45
  Tad Eggleston: I like the park up in Minnesota.
• 1:18:50
  Matt Kindt: Oh, yeah, I've been there, that's great, because my daughter's up there now.
• 1:18:53
  Tad Eggleston: The Minnesota Park's nice.
• 1:18:55
  Matt Kindt: It doesn't he? It's real steep, so you're, like, feel like you're right.
• 1:18:58
  Tad Eggleston: That's the part I don't like.
• 1:18:59
  Matt Kindt: Oh.
• 1:19:00
  Tad Eggleston: Because I don't like that at Comiskey, or the new… I can't call it whatever it's called now.
• 1:19:05
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:19:05
  Tad Eggleston: But, but the new Sox park, That steep wasn't cool either.
• 1:19:11
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Tad Eggleston: I actually like the one in Milwaukee way more than I expected to.
• 1:19:17
  Matt Kindt: I haven't been there.
• 1:19:18
  Tad Eggleston: Pretty nice stadium.
• 1:19:20
  Tad Eggleston: Well, we'll try to hit 2 if you come to Chicago. They're not that far away, if they happen to be in town.
• 1:19:26
  Matt Kindt: This is a… this is the gear, I think. I think I'm up for it.
• 1:19:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:19:31
  Matt Kindt: I'll talk to.
• 1:19:32
  Tad Eggleston: I took Dennis Kitchen to a Milwaukee Milkman game.
• 1:19:36
  Tad Eggleston: The Brewers were out of town when he was in town, and we felt like going to a baseball game together.
• 1:19:41
  Tad Eggleston: The Milwaukee Milkmen were in town, so we went to an independent minor league game.
• 1:19:45
  Matt Kindt: Dude, that's really great. It reminds me, I've been to, Buffalo Bison, so I have…
• 1:19:51
  Tad Eggleston: I wanna see that.
• 1:19:52
  Matt Kindt: So we went to a Buffalo Bisons game years ago, that's high school, probably.
• 1:19:57
  Tad Eggleston: Going to a South Bend Cubs game later this summer.
• 1:20:00
  Tad Eggleston: My wife already picked up the tickets. I've been out to see the Iowa Cubs a few times.
• 1:20:05
  Tad Eggleston: Used to go down and see the Peoria Chiefs a lot. I've seen them both as a Cubs farm club and as a St. Louis Farm Club.
• 1:20:12
  Matt Kindt: who is it that, every year at Gen Con in Indianapolis, there's a… there's a…
• 1:20:17
  Tad Eggleston: Indianapolis Indians.
• 1:20:19
  Matt Kindt: They're right next to the stadium. Are they? And then there's always… they're always playing, too, during that week, and I was like.
• 1:20:27
  Matt Kindt: I was, like, tempted to go, but I'm like, I'm playing board games, I'm not here for baseball, so I've never gone. I've seen it, and I'm like, I want to play board games, that's what we're here for.
• 1:20:36
  Tad Eggleston: That's definitely on my list. Among other things, they'll sometimes wear Indianapolis ABCs.
• 1:20:42
  Tad Eggleston: uniforms.
• 1:20:45
  Tad Eggleston: the Negro League team that Oscar Charleston was on.
• 1:20:48
  Matt Kindt: That's cool, that's cool. I, yeah, no…
• 1:20:53
  Tad Eggleston: We need more baseball comics, Matt. I'm telling you this.
• 1:20:55
  Matt Kindt: We are… I'm working on a baseball graphic novel with… with my friend.
• 1:21:01
  Tad Eggleston: this.
• 1:21:01
  Matt Kindt: And it's.
• 1:21:02
  Tad Eggleston: I like this.
• 1:21:03
  Matt Kindt: he's, he's dictating the schedule here, because I'm going to do.
• 1:21:06
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 1:21:07
  Matt Kindt: All the drawing and, like, the, whatever, layout.
• 1:21:09
  Tad Eggleston: So, in other words, it gets written during the off-season, because, like…
• 1:21:12
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, so during the season's tough, but he's… he's… I think he's almost there, he said it's almost ready.
• 1:21:18
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, we've been talking about going comic shopping when he's in town for a Cubs series. Since the first time he was on, we haven't managed to make it happen yet.
• 1:21:26
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:21:27
  Matt Kindt: No, well, maybe we'll… maybe we'll road trip up there. I don't know when the Cardinals are going up there, but I wonder if he's traveling with them, maybe I'll… maybe I'll tag along. He'd bring his friend to work day, and I'll go to the… go to the game.
• 1:21:40
  Tad Eggleston: Let's see, we can find out. It's not hard to find out when…
• 1:21:44
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:21:45
  Tad Eggleston: They're coming to town.
• 1:21:46
  Matt Kindt: No, I had… I… talking to him, I had an idea for a baseball graphic novel, because I…
• 1:21:53
  Matt Kindt: I feel like sports comics don't really… aren't really a thing here in the U.S, you know what I mean.
• 1:21:58
  Tad Eggleston: No, not in the US. Japan?
• 1:22:00
  Matt Kindt: Right, there's tons of manga. I was like, why… we should be able to do one here. I think we could do a really good.
• 1:22:04
  Tad Eggleston: There's some great baseball manga.
• 1:22:07
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, I…
• 1:22:07
  Tad Eggleston: I imagine there's a lot of great baseball manga that hasn't been translated, too.
• 1:22:12
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:22:13
  Matt Kindt: That's what I… I was reading, I was reading Blue Lock, which is just, like, a soccer… soccer… I've heard about it.
• 1:22:19
  Tad Eggleston: about that.
• 1:22:20
  Matt Kindt: And and it's neat the way it breaks things down, but I was like, we could do… let's do this, not like that, but I want to do something that's… that's, kind of non-fiction.
• 1:22:31
  Matt Kindt: But that basically shows, like, all the things I love about… or, I mean, just in and about baseball.
• 1:22:37
  Matt Kindt: basically all the questions I have for Derek, I was like, what about this? How does this work? What does this do? How do we,
• 1:22:44
  Matt Kindt: And so we're doing a book like that, I think, which is gonna be…
• 1:22:48
  Matt Kindt: Neat, I don't think there's anything like it.
• 1:22:52
  Tad Eggleston: Cubs are coming to St. Louis at the end of May, so if you're hosting, I can come down.
• 1:22:58
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:22:58
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't been to the ballpark in St. Louis yet.
• 1:23:01
  Matt Kindt: End of May.
• 1:23:04
  Matt Kindt: Let's see…
• 1:23:08
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, we can figure that out.
• 1:23:10
  Matt Kindt: I guess people are listening, so maybe we should schedule this off.
• 1:23:13
  Tad Eggleston: It looks like the first time the Cardinals are in…
• 1:23:18
  Tad Eggleston: Chicago is 4th of July weekend.
• 1:23:23
  Matt Kindt: That seems like a hassle.
• 1:23:25
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:23:26
  Matt Kindt: Hmm.
• 1:23:27
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that seems like a hassle, period.
• 1:23:29
  Matt Kindt: Yup.
• 1:23:31
  Tad Eggleston: And then we're back down in St. Louis at the end of July.
• 1:23:36
  Tad Eggleston: Which means that, like, wow, we're seeing the August…
• 1:23:41
  Tad Eggleston: You just have to come up and stay in Chicago for multiple weeks.
• 1:23:45
  Matt Kindt: I could do that, I miss Chicago, it's been a while.
• 1:23:50
  Matt Kindt: I didn't do C2E2 this year, which I liked doing, but I just didn't have time.
• 1:23:54
  Tad Eggleston: So you brought up… yeah, you haven't done C2E2 since I've been doing it.
• 1:23:58
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, I,
• 1:24:01
  Matt Kindt: It's just hard. It's hard with the schedule I have. It's, like, taking a weekend off, then there's, like, a week to recover from it and everything, it's just a…
• 1:24:09
  Matt Kindt: I gotta make comics. I'm too busy making.
• 1:24:12
  Tad Eggleston: Totally get it.
• 1:24:13
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, actually, like, one of… like, I'm the type of guy that, like, I dream of what I would do if I had a billion dollars dropped in my lap, and one of the things I do is, like, buy and renovate, like.
• 1:24:27
  Tad Eggleston: an old motel, anywhere near places that I wanted
• 1:24:33
  Tad Eggleston: people to come to the Comic Cons, so I could say, hey, no, come out for the week, there's a drawing table in your room. Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Matt Kindt: No, that's true, yeah.
• 1:24:41
  Matt Kindt: I thought about that, I was…
• 1:24:44
  Matt Kindt: well, this… the older I get, what am I? I'm, like, 53 now? I was like, what does my retirement look like? You know? And I think about, I was like, well, what will I do when I don't have to work?
• 1:24:52
  Tad Eggleston: Comics? Retirement?
• 1:24:54
  Matt Kindt: Well, that's what… I was like.
• 1:24:55
  Tad Eggleston: Your retirement is you'll die at your drawing table, just…
• 1:24:58
  Matt Kindt: Just a book for…
• 1:24:59
  Tad Eggleston: just accept it.
• 1:25:00
  Matt Kindt: But here's the… here's the realization I had, is I was like, what… this… I'm doing what I like to do, like, why would I do something else, even if it wasn't…
• 1:25:09
  Matt Kindt: you know what I mean, for Mind Your Living, I was like, I enjoy doing it. Like, I had so much fun. I was riding all day in the last two days, just solid 12-hour riding days, and I was like, it's the most fun I have. I was like, wow.
• 1:25:21
  Tad Eggleston: I have to circle back, though, because you mentioned, with Free Comic Book Day, you're going to be typing out nameplates and whatnot, and you mentioned the con, and I know you often take your typewriter to conventions, and, you know, other people sketch stuff, and you'll type pages. So, my question for you is, what kind of typewriter?
• 1:25:39
  Matt Kindt: I have a, oh my god, what's the name of it? It's a, hermes, or Hermes,
• 1:25:47
  Matt Kindt: portable. It's, like, the smallest one I could find.
• 1:25:51
  Matt Kindt: Let's see if I can find it, it's a Jeremy H-A… H-E-R-M-E-S.
• 1:25:56
  Matt Kindt: And I have 3 of them.
• 1:25:58
  Matt Kindt: Different colors, different fonts.
• 1:26:01
  Matt Kindt: One is…
• 1:26:02
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 1:26:02
  Matt Kindt: One is from South America, so it's got more Spanish characters on it, but it's got a neat font, like, more of, like, a computer-y-looking font.
• 1:26:11
  Matt Kindt: Alright, bonus.
• 1:26:11
  Tad Eggleston: See if I can…
• 1:26:12
  Matt Kindt: By the exact model.
• 1:26:14
  Tad Eggleston: I gotta look at these.
• 1:26:15
  Matt Kindt: It's a… it's a Hermes Baby typewriter, they call it the Baby. 1963.
• 1:26:22
  Matt Kindt: It's like a…
• 1:26:23
  Tad Eggleston: Some of them cost even more than the Shohei action figure that we were looking at.
• 1:26:27
  Matt Kindt: That is true, but I can make money with a typewriter.
• 1:26:31
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, I'm pretty certain that if I get the right influencer account, I could do, like, stop-motion videos with my Shohei action figure.
• 1:26:41
  Matt Kindt: just shoot an unboxing video, you know, or do some ASMR as you open it up and play with it.
• 1:26:48
  Tad Eggleston: No, I asked because I have a, I have an Underwood standard portable.
• 1:26:53
  Matt Kindt: Yes, that's probably a little bigger.
• 1:26:56
  Tad Eggleston: a little bit bigger. It's not… it's not that big, because it's the first, like, portable, and it was designed to be portable. It's probably heavier.
• 1:27:05
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, it's probably… the one… that baby's heavy, too, and but I got it because it is portable, the color is fun, so it looks cool. Yeah. You know, I have an orange one, I have, like, a green one, and then a white one.
• 1:27:18
  Matt Kindt: And they're… and, what's cool about it is, is, at the convention, it's loud, and people talk… the sound of the thing typing cuts through everything. Like, people stop and look, you know, and it's like, what is that sound? And people sort of have, like, a sense memory of what that sound is, because they've heard it somewhere in their life.
• 1:27:36
  Matt Kindt: You know, and then… but you haven't heard it in that context, so that's kind of cool. And it's also, like, I've come to so many conventions over my lifetime.
• 1:27:46
  Matt Kindt: that I'm kind of bored of sitting at the table, so anything I can do… yeah, is that your underwood? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:54
  Tad Eggleston: Well, it's not mine, I just pulled up an email.
• 1:27:55
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, that's when you get.
• 1:27:56
  Tad Eggleston: bay.
• 1:27:57
  Tad Eggleston: Mine… I looked up the serial number once, because mine's been in the family since it was given to my grandmother.
• 1:28:05
  Tad Eggleston: As, like, a graduation present, or maybe just sometime when she was in high school.
• 1:28:09
  Tad Eggleston: She was born in 1913.
• 1:28:12
  Tad Eggleston: The one I have came off the line in 1929.
• 1:28:17
  Matt Kindt: That's crazy.
• 1:28:19
  Tad Eggleston: The H stinks.
• 1:28:22
  Tad Eggleston: Which, I know when I've been using the typewriter a lot, and unfortunately I haven't been lately, though I saw that you have a physical
• 1:28:31
  Tad Eggleston: Mailing address for… for… for mind management, so I was thinking about it again today.
• 1:28:40
  Tad Eggleston: Because I also need to write a physical letter to Brian K. Vaughan one of these days, because I think that's the only way I'll get him and Fiona to come on, is if I send him a physical letter.
• 1:28:50
  Matt Kindt: No, you should do it. It's so great, you sent me a letter… I got a… I just designed…
• 1:28:55
  Matt Kindt: a custom letter… letterhead and envelope for myself that I've been wanting.
• 1:29:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, nice.
• 1:29:01
  Matt Kindt: I'm just dying to write letters to anybody that writes me a letter.
• 1:29:05
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, I miss having pen pals, so maybe I'll… I'll come up with, like, some baseball geeky thing, and we can just start going back and forth.
• 1:29:14
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, dude, have you ever talked to Derek about the postcards he mails out?
• 1:29:19
  Tad Eggleston: No.
• 1:29:20
  Matt Kindt: He mails everywhere, because he travels with baseball all the time. He sends postcards to all his friends, like, from everywhere he's going, you know, constantly, so…
• 1:29:29
  Tad Eggleston: I am gonna have to talk to him about this.
• 1:29:31
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I have a…
• 1:29:32
  Tad Eggleston: Never gone.
• 1:29:32
  Tad Eggleston: Baseball.
• 1:29:33
  Tad Eggleston: Postcard from him.
• 1:29:35
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, get a… get in your address, you might get one. It's so great when they come in the mail, but it's nothing like… especially now, like, the mail… I don't even check the mail anymore, because I'm like, there's nothing good in it. It's all just, like…
• 1:29:45
  Matt Kindt: Junk, you know?
• 1:29:47
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I get stickers from Kyle Starks, and.
• 1:29:50
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, print those few.
• 1:29:52
  Tad Eggleston: Brent's from Elsa Chardier, and from Jacob Phillips. So, like… And the onion.
• 1:30:01
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, that's it. Brian subscribes to the Onion newspaper, so he brings that in. I get Derek's postcards, and then my Patreon, if you go to my Patreon, I stole Derek's idea, but monetized it to my Patreon, so there's a postcard club.
• 1:30:16
  Matt Kindt: It's basically Kyle's Sticker Club of postcards, so I mail a postcard every month.
• 1:30:21
  Tad Eggleston: So… Do you design the postcard, or do you…
• 1:30:25
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, it's all… it's original art for the postcard, and then…
• 1:30:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, see, that's like what Elsa Chardier does.
• 1:30:30
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:31
  Tad Eggleston: Only hers come all the way from France.
• 1:30:34
  Matt Kindt: Well, mine couldn't go to France. If you move there.
• 1:30:36
  Tad Eggleston: And then… So, so you might appreciate this.
• 1:30:40
  Tad Eggleston: The onion was at C2E2.
• 1:30:42
  Matt Kindt: That's great.
• 1:30:44
  Tad Eggleston: So I have an onion, 20-sided die.
• 1:30:47
  Matt Kindt: Nice.
• 1:30:49
  Matt Kindt: No, that's great. There's something about…
• 1:30:51
  Tad Eggleston: one of their guys gave me when I invited him on 22 Panels.
• 1:30:55
  Tad Eggleston: I wrote to him, he hasn't gotten back to me yet, but I want him. Because among other things, like, I need them to take over InfoWars. It's not over yet, and that would just be amazing.
• 1:31:07
  Matt Kindt: No, that would be great, dude. I forgot that I put my, I put that address in the Free Comic Day comic. We're gonna get all kinds of crazy, crazy.
• 1:31:17
  Tad Eggleston: You did!
• 1:31:20
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:31:21
  Matt Kindt: Not sure, I probably should have run that by the… Brian before I did it.
• 1:31:26
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, is that the studio address?
• 1:31:28
  Matt Kindt: Might be the studio… might be the studio address, or it could be a P.O. Box. Don't go there and find out.
• 1:31:35
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's not listed as a P.O. Box.
• 1:31:37
  Matt Kindt: No, it may or may not be, we'll see.
• 1:31:41
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't have time to check today, is the phone number working?
• 1:31:44
  Matt Kindt: The phone number works, yep. Please call the number, the number's so funny.
• 1:31:49
  Tad Eggleston: You know, do you… did you get a chance to see, news from the Fallout, Chris Condon and Jeffrey Allen Love's book?
• 1:31:57
  Matt Kindt: -
• 1:31:58
  Tad Eggleston: First of all, it's just fantastic, and it's available as a graphic novel now. But second, they did so much meta stuff. They set up a website.
• 1:32:09
  Tad Eggleston: with, like, secret links in the website that you had to search for. They set up a phone number.
• 1:32:17
  Matt Kindt: No, dude, I love that stuff. Condon's great, too. He.
• 1:32:20
  Tad Eggleston: I love Chriscon.
• 1:32:21
  Matt Kindt: signings together, he's really great, and .
• 1:32:23
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, yeah, he was talking about being right next to you.
• 1:32:27
  Tad Eggleston: At a con, with you and your typewriter.
• 1:32:29
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, we did… we did a signing in Phoenix, and I… and I've never met him before. I was like, hey, if I bring two typewriters.
• 1:32:36
  Tad Eggleston: That's right, that's what he was telling me.
• 1:32:39
  Matt Kindt: And, I was like, I'll bring two, and like, you start a… you start a little micro-fiction story, and then I'll write the ending, you know?
• 1:32:46
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 1:32:46
  Matt Kindt: And then, or we.
• 1:32:47
  Tad Eggleston: Told me about that.
• 1:32:48
  Matt Kindt: And he was totally game for it. I was like, oh my god, this is so great, and .
• 1:32:53
  Tad Eggleston: This is a good chord.
• 1:32:54
  Matt Kindt: And it was so… that was maybe the most fun signing I've ever done, because we just were crazy. I believe it. Funny little story.
• 1:33:01
  Tad Eggleston: like, Talk about… Writers that have just exploded.
• 1:33:07
  Tad Eggleston: He is so good.
• 1:33:09
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, he's a good dude, too, that's what I…
• 1:33:12
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, he is. He's an amazing dude. I am very happy to call him my friend. I've treated him to dinner. I've been his cabbie in Chicagoland.
• 1:33:22
  Tad Eggleston: We text and email regularly. He's such an amazing guy.
• 1:33:29
  Tad Eggleston: But also just so talented.
• 1:33:33
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, like, 20 years from now, people who picked up that Texas blood at the beginning are gonna go.
• 1:33:40
  Tad Eggleston: How was this not huge? Because the amount of talent between those two guys is just…
• 1:33:47
  Matt Kindt: Yeah. That's it. What was the… Enfield… Enfield Massacre?
• 1:33:51
  Tad Eggleston: Bill Gang Massacre.
• 1:33:52
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, that was good, I liked that a lot.
• 1:33:54
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I loved it. And I loved their decision… their decision to put it on New Sprint, and not tell anybody in advance.
• 1:34:01
  Matt Kindt: The paper's great. Surprise. The paper's great.
• 1:34:03
  Tad Eggleston: Wednesday, when you picked it up.
• 1:34:05
  Matt Kindt: No, we… you know what we did,
• 1:34:08
  Matt Kindt: for the new mind management, we matched the paper of the original series, which is, like, this kind of, like.
• 1:34:15
  Matt Kindt: Similar, it's sort of like a pulpy, sort of gritty.
• 1:34:18
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 1:34:18
  Matt Kindt: Paper, and we found a printer that… that had that… that paper.
• 1:34:23
  Tad Eggleston: Awesome.
• 1:34:24
  Matt Kindt: And I haven't… we haven't used… I haven't…
• 1:34:27
  Matt Kindt: Had anything on paper like that since then, so…
• 1:34:32
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna use a different example to ask you how the crazy stuff comes to you, because I spent…
• 1:34:42
  Tad Eggleston: like, 45 minutes one day, and didn't… didn't finish, because, like, I had students get in the way, and I never got back to it, but you clearly wrote a code into the receipt on the back of the issues of Spice Purb.
• 1:34:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 1:34:59
  Matt Kindt: I did.
• 1:35:01
  Tad Eggleston: Which one day, I will take the time to actually crack.
• 1:35:06
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:35:07
  Matt Kindt: I'm pretty sure… I'm trying to think of the solution. It's probably just a symbol substitution code where the number and the.
• 1:35:12
  Tad Eggleston: No, I was… I was pretty certain it was a substitution code, I just hadn't figured out exactly how it lined up yet, because I don't… it's not.
• 1:35:20
  Matt Kindt: It's not…
• 1:35:21
  Tad Eggleston: And A is 1, B is 2.
• 1:35:24
  Matt Kindt: I… whatever I did, it just shifted, so if you.
• 1:35:26
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay. So that'll make it easier.
• 1:35:28
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:29
  Tad Eggleston: I was actually doing detailed number analysis. I was going, okay, which number shows up the most? That's probably E, let's…
• 1:35:36
  Matt Kindt: I try not to make them too hard, because I do get… people send me weird little codes and things all the time, and I'm like.
• 1:35:45
  Matt Kindt: I was like, man, I don't have time to… I don't have time to… to code it.
• 1:35:49
  Tad Eggleston: So you're telling.
• 1:35:50
  Matt Kindt: I like doing that.
• 1:35:51
  Tad Eggleston: I shouldn't send you a letter using the baseball encyclopedia as…
• 1:35:55
  Matt Kindt: If you want me to read it, don't make me work. Don't make me work. I've already worked.
• 1:35:59
  Tad Eggleston: Because I was thinking about that as I was driving home.
• 1:36:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:36:04
  Tad Eggleston: seeing the opportunity, I'm like, I should type up a letter where I use the baseball encyclopedia as the cipher.
• 1:36:10
  Matt Kindt: I get the… I get the funniest emails, or funniest, like, mail, whatever, fan mail, whatever you want to call it. I get the funniest, weirdest things, and I'm like, I don't know… I don't know what this is, and I have deadlines, so please put the solution on the back, or upside down and everything, so I can just…
• 1:36:27
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 1:36:28
  Matt Kindt: Drip to it.
• 1:36:28
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, if I do anything crazy, I'll also give you the.
• 1:36:31
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, no, I do appreciate it, but
• 1:36:35
  Matt Kindt: But I… yeah, just because I make stuff like that doesn't mean I enjoy stuff like that.
• 1:36:43
  Matt Kindt: I was like.
• 1:36:44
  Tad Eggleston: You only like…
• 1:36:44
  Matt Kindt: Don't torture me.
• 1:36:48
  Tad Eggleston: just because you have so many books out, I gotta do a couple quick hits on other recent books you have out. Give us the front counter pitch of Space Scouts, which…
• 1:36:58
  Tad Eggleston: The, trade will be available before we know it.
• 1:37:02
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, Space Scouts.
• 1:37:04
  Matt Kindt: Spitzkop?
• 1:37:04
  Tad Eggleston: unexpectedly cool.
• 1:37:06
  Matt Kindt: It, I love Dave Rubine. I've worked with him on a few other books. We did, Aether…
• 1:37:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I did your… your pandemic Kickstarter.
• 1:37:15
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, Cosmic Detective.
• 1:37:17
  Tad Eggleston: I'm a detective, yeah.
• 1:37:19
  Matt Kindt: And then,
• 1:37:20
  Matt Kindt: And so I love working with him, and I had this idea, which is basically, like, it starts out as a Legion of Superheroes story with a bunch of crazy alien characters that come to… to, a planet to compete in this sort of reality show to be the next… be the new heroes of the universe.
• 1:37:36
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:37:36
  Matt Kindt: So that's, like, the starting point, and then…
• 1:37:39
  Matt Kindt: And then I love… it has all the stuff I love about… I love, like, battle royale-type things, where there's eliminations, and… and then,
• 1:37:48
  Matt Kindt: Sort of some of the social stuff.
• 1:37:50
  Matt Kindt: And then I also like, twist, so there's that plus, like, a horrible twist.
• 1:37:56
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 1:37:56
  Matt Kindt: And and I won't spoil it, but…
• 1:37:59
  Tad Eggleston: The little socio-political commentary going on there.
• 1:38:02
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, and it's kind of whatever commentary. I don't… we don't have to label everything.
• 1:38:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:08
  Matt Kindt: We won't.
• 1:38:10
  Matt Kindt: But yeah, I just,
• 1:38:13
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I love… I grew up loving Legion of Superheroes, and I… I don't think I… there was any particular run I loved.
• 1:38:19
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, you're another Legion fan?
• 1:38:20
  Matt Kindt: I'm a big Lisa fan.
• 1:38:22
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, cause we have… It's semi-annual, we haven't had it in a couple of years because my friend Johnny.
• 1:38:30
  Tad Eggleston: Who is old enough that… that…
• 1:38:34
  Tad Eggleston: one of the reasons he's a massive Legion of Superheroes fan is because he realized, or he discovered, that Jim Shooter, when Jim Shooter was writing it, was only, like, 3 months older than him.
• 1:38:46
  Matt Kindt: No, he's really young, he's a kid.
• 1:38:49
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:38:49
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Jim Shooter started writing it when he was 13.
• 1:38:52
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, again, Johnny, I think, is 3 months older than Jim Shooter would be. So the reason we haven't had it the last couple of years is he was desperately trying to get Jim Shooter.
• 1:39:04
  Tad Eggleston: And then Jim died, and, like, but we will have another one sometime soon, so I'll keep you on the list of people who might be interested in coming and talking Legion of Superheroes.
• 1:39:15
  Matt Kindt: No, that's great, I love it. I… my first exposure to it was, like, the 90s, Keith Giffen's The Great Darkness, where it was just all the nine-panel grid and everything in a…
• 1:39:25
  Tad Eggleston: our last Legion Roundtable. Yeah. We did have Paul Levitz and Tom Berenboyne.
• 1:39:33
  Tad Eggleston: And we got the message from Keith's…
• 1:39:37
  Tad Eggleston: Son-in-law, literally the morning that we were recording, that he'd gone into the hospital.
• 1:39:42
  Matt Kindt: Oh, jeez.
• 1:39:43
  Tad Eggleston: make it.
• 1:39:44
  Matt Kindt: That's a… that's a bummer. No, he…
• 1:39:46
  Tad Eggleston: This close.
• 1:39:48
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I love,
• 1:39:52
  Matt Kindt: I love that. That era was my first… what was cool about that, that era.
• 1:39:57
  Matt Kindt: of it was never knowing any of it before. It's like, all the characters, they're using their first names, they're not in costume, like, who is who here? I don't even… I don't even know, but that was part of the fun, was sort of…
• 1:40:07
  Matt Kindt: having these characters with all this history that you sort of had to discover or uncover, and I think that was… that was maybe one of my favorite parts of it. So, I don't claim to be an expert in it, I just claim to be a fan of it.
• 1:40:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I'm becoming more of a fan.
• 1:40:23
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I… it's, one of my dream projects, and I started it, it was to… I wanted to draw…
• 1:40:30
  Matt Kindt: every single Legion member, and just have, like, a book, an art book that's, like, every character, you know, in it. But,
• 1:40:38
  Matt Kindt: I don't have the time to do that. Well…
• 1:40:42
  Tad Eggleston: Now I know that if you're in Chicago, I need to, like, take you out to breakfast with Johnny, just so he can get a picture of you wearing a Legion ring.
• 1:40:48
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, it's one of those things.
• 1:40:50
  Tad Eggleston: that.
• 1:40:50
  Matt Kindt: What?
• 1:40:52
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, you have one, so you can just send me the picture without him having to provide it.
• 1:40:56
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, I don't… I've got a ring.
• 1:40:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, he's got, like, they, they did, when Bendis did Legion of Superheroes, they, they did a thing where they, they, they did the… you could buy 25…
• 1:41:09
  Tad Eggleston: packs of the plastic ring for your… so I bought a package of them just for him.
• 1:41:17
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, is that what the… I can't remember where I got it from, I just have it in… I have all my Legion books custom bound, like, the issues, I just have them bound in the hardcovers, so I have that ring sitting on top of it. I can't remember where I got it from, but I guess that's where…
• 1:41:30
  Tad Eggleston: If it was the plastic one, that was when it was.
• 1:41:32
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, it's.
• 1:41:32
  Tad Eggleston: There is actually, like, re… like, one time when he was offering it to somebody, the guy said, or I could just… and he pulled one out from under his desk, we were at a comic shop, and put on, like, a high-end…
• 1:41:45
  Matt Kindt: A real one. It actually… he actually started floating.
• 1:41:50
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, Johnny, Johnny moderates,
• 1:41:55
  Tad Eggleston: private Legion of Superheroes group on Facebook.
• 1:41:59
  Tad Eggleston: Like, invite only.
• 1:42:01
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:42:01
  Tad Eggleston: Tons of the creators…
• 1:42:03
  Tad Eggleston: through the years, are part of the group, that sort of thing. So one of the things he'll do is he'll get pictures of people, or have me get pictures of people, wearing the Legion ring, and he'll post it up to that group.
• 1:42:13
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, well, I'll send you one.
• 1:42:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we'll make that work.
• 1:42:15
  Matt Kindt: Studio, alright.
• 1:42:17
  Tad Eggleston: But, but I also have to ask you about SafeNow, because…
• 1:42:22
  Tad Eggleston: Not named Mind Management or Red Handed, this is probably my favorite Matt Kent book.
• 1:42:29
  Matt Kindt: Oh, I appreciate it. It's…
• 1:42:32
  Tad Eggleston: heartbreaking, it's… Beautiful.
• 1:42:36
  Tad Eggleston: It's… Creative and crazy.
• 1:42:43
  Matt Kindt: How would you pay?
• 1:42:44
  Tad Eggleston: catch it.
• 1:42:44
  Matt Kindt: I, here's… I won't pitch it, but I'll tell you how the idea for this story came to me. Well, I, there's two parts to it. The first part of the idea was… I was playing Red Dead Redemption, this video game where you're a cowboy.
• 1:42:59
  Matt Kindt: And, you play, it's a big open world, you can do whatever you want.
• 1:43:02
  Tad Eggleston: Written by the same guys who wrote American Caper for…
• 1:43:06
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:43:08
  Matt Kindt: circle it right around to lap him again. I love it. He, but I was playing that, and he… I was playing, and then I saved my game, and I play… I play that game, like,
• 1:43:18
  Matt Kindt: I'd roleplay, like, this is what I would do in real life. I'd try not to kill people, or do whatever, unless they deserve it, then you put them down, you know, but…
• 1:43:25
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 1:43:26
  Matt Kindt: But, try to be good. But then I saved the game, and then… and then after a while playing like that, I'm like, what happens if you just go nuts, you know, and start killing everybody? So… so one night, I was… I saved my game, I was done for the night, but I was like, I'm just gonna kill this whole town.
• 1:43:41
  Matt Kindt: horses and everything, just be a complete monster to see how long you survive, or what happens. I don't know what happens. So I'm doing that. In the middle of doing that, my wife walks downstairs where the TV is and the game machine, and she's like, oh my god, what do you do? She's like, did you just shoot a horse? And I was like.
• 1:43:59
  Matt Kindt: Like, yeah, but I… it's… I just saved my game, this isn't real, you know what I mean? I didn't… I'm not really doing this. And she's like, but you're really doing it. I was like, no, no, no, it's… look, I saved my game, and I come back.
• 1:44:10
  Matt Kindt: And then, but it struck me, I was like, oh my god, it… because you… I was really doing it, you know, in the game.
• 1:44:17
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:44:18
  Matt Kindt: And so then I was like, oh, what if you were… what if your power was… you could save your game, your life, and go back and do…
• 1:44:26
  Matt Kindt: And then does it make you… does it change you as a person if you do some horrible thing, but you can just go back and not do it?
• 1:44:33
  Matt Kindt: you just… part of you did that thing, you know, so it does… I was like, oh, that'll be an interesting character thing, to have this power.
• 1:44:40
  Tad Eggleston: You got to witness all sorts of things. Yeah. I mean, this was actually… I can't remember the name of the character, but one of the characters in,
• 1:44:52
  Tad Eggleston: Milestone Universe. Blood Syndicate.
• 1:44:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Had the ability to go, like, everything back.
• 1:44:59
  Tad Eggleston: X number of seconds.
• 1:45:01
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, I don't remember that one, but I remember buying those issues. That was on good paper. That was printed on good paper. Yep.
• 1:45:09
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, so that was where the idea came from, and then the part… the… later on, when I was writing it, the idea for the ending, which I won't spoil here, had to do with being
• 1:45:19
  Matt Kindt: I don't think I've gotten there yet.
• 1:45:22
  Tad Eggleston: The end hasn't happened yet.
• 1:45:24
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, maybe… well, then I won't spoil it. It's not out yet. I wrote it so long ago, I don't know what… I don't know where it's at, but I won't spoil it, but the.
• 1:45:31
  Tad Eggleston: Currently, Issue 4 is to be determined.
• 1:45:35
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, don't… well, then I won't tell you the second half of how the ending came about, because.
• 1:45:39
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, feel free to send me a PDF, and then you can tell me all you want.
• 1:45:44
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, no, I won't spoil it, but that's for the.
• 1:45:47
  Tad Eggleston: And I normally don't care about spoilers, but I do on this one, Matt.
• 1:45:52
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah, I won't… I'll shut up right there, except that the ending is heartbreaking, but also optimistic.
• 1:45:58
  Tad Eggleston: I believe… you're good at that. That seems to be in the Matt Kent niche.
• 1:46:05
  Matt Kindt: That's a… I mean, that's how… that's how I… that's me.
• 1:46:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:46:11
  Matt Kindt: It's like we're, we all ended up in the same spot.
• 1:46:14
  Tad Eggleston: Real.
• 1:46:14
  Matt Kindt: Let's, let's have a good time while we're here.
• 1:46:18
  Tad Eggleston: So… so I do have…
• 1:46:20
  Tad Eggleston: One, one question, and this is probably more of a bad idea question, but you… you might know.
• 1:46:27
  Tad Eggleston: So the… and I was very excited for it, and… and I bought it, and I… and I would have bought it
• 1:46:35
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, obviously I bought it without knowing, but, like…
• 1:46:39
  Tad Eggleston: the zero issue. Matt Kent, Jose, Rip, Cano, issue zero, that's what it says on the first… on the front cover, and I'm like, and you buried the lead, because also Jesse Lonergan!
• 1:46:58
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:46:59
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, he… he's so great. We're working on another book together. I'm writing, like, a graphic novel, and and I hadn't… wasn't quite done with it yet, you know? So he's like, hey, should I do this, 8-pager? I was like, well, only if you're… I was like, only if it doesn't mess up our other schedule. He's like… he's like, no, I read the…
• 1:47:18
  Matt Kindt: he's like, I read the script, I really liked it, so I want to do it. And I was like, what? I was like, what was it? I couldn't remember. I'd written… I had written two 8-page stories for a bad idea that, while I was,
• 1:47:30
  Matt Kindt: I was sick, I think I had COVID, or whatever it was, I was out of my mind, and I was, like, at the tail end of it, but I was still, like.
• 1:47:36
  Matt Kindt: not quite right. And then, but the scripts were due, and I was like, I forced myself to write two 8-page stories during this weird time, and I was like, I couldn't remember what I'd written, and when I was writing it, I was like, this is terrible, but I have to get…
• 1:47:52
  Matt Kindt: pages done. And so I turned him in, I couldn't even remember until he sent it to me. I was like, what did I… I don't even remember what I wrote, dude. I was like, I hope it's good. But yeah, it was… it ended up being really neat. What he did was really cool.
• 1:48:05
  Matt Kindt: But, yeah.
• 1:48:06
  Tad Eggleston: Ridiculous.
• 1:48:06
  Matt Kindt: Stephanie's awesome. Jerome is a… of all the… the favorite book I read last year, you know?
• 1:48:12
  Tad Eggleston: Chrome is… is…
• 1:48:14
  Tad Eggleston: not only is the… I'm on record as it's my favorite book of the year. It was, like, literally my pick for top book of the year.
• 1:48:23
  Matt Kindt: No, dude, it's so good, and here, let's talk about it for a minute, because I… I don't have a lot of people to talk to about it, because Brian hasn't read it yet, and I'm just bugging everybody.
• 1:48:31
  Tad Eggleston: Really quick before that, though.
• 1:48:34
  Tad Eggleston: I follow him, I'm one of his patrons, so I'd actually read it in the unedited
• 1:48:40
  Tad Eggleston: form before he sold it. So, it was also my top graphic novel of 2023 in its unpublished form.
• 1:48:50
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, I subscribe to his Patreon, but I can't log in. Since I run one, I'm on a…
• 1:48:56
  Matt Kindt: certain account, and I've… and then, I can't see the other account, so I don't… I subscribe to a few people I like, and then I don't see any of it.
• 1:49:05
  Tad Eggleston: We got, we gotta help you be able to…
• 1:49:08
  Matt Kindt: That's alright. I'll just wait for the book. I'll just wait for the book. I don't mind supporting him.
• 1:49:13
  Matt Kindt: But, no, here's what I liked about Drone, is the way I felt when I was reading that was like, it felt like he channels some kind of
• 1:49:21
  Matt Kindt: Kirby sort of crazy Kirby energy to it, but he wasn't doing a pastiche of Kirby, or doing, like, a take on Kirby, or, like, even, like, a throwback. Like, I've seen people do that all the time, where they're like, it kind of looks like Kirby, and it's like they're trying to channel… and I was like, I don't like that, because I feel like, well, you're just…
• 1:49:39
  Matt Kindt: you're just doing your Kirby because you like Kirby. But he did something with that book that felt like Kirby, but not… but completely new, completely different.
• 1:49:47
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but that was part of how it felt like Kirby.
• 1:49:50
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, that's what… I know, and that's what the beauty of it is.
• 1:49:53
  Tad Eggleston: relevant… I mean, like, I hadn't thought of it that way, but as soon as you said it, it made sense to me. We've got a Kirby book club, we just… we just read… we just finished reading his whole
• 1:50:04
  Tad Eggleston: New Gods run, original run. So I've been talking Kirby once a month. I've become more, more a student of Kirby than I'd ever been before.
• 1:50:15
  Matt Kindt: Doesn't write very well.
• 1:50:16
  Tad Eggleston: But draws like a motherfucker.
• 1:50:18
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, that's… that's the thing, is like… but it's just the sheer creativity and the ideas and everything, but it didn't… after I read Jerome, it…
• 1:50:24
  Matt Kindt: it wasn't until a couple days later where it hit me, where I was like, oh… I was like, this is why I like it, because it's… there's something there that's… that's deep-seated, that curvy seed in there somewhere that I love.
• 1:50:34
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and the other thing that I just adore… is…
• 1:50:41
  Tad Eggleston: And it took me so long to figure out exactly why I loved it so much.
• 1:50:46
  Tad Eggleston: I love his panel usage.
• 1:50:49
  Matt Kindt: Oh my gosh, that's… he's the best. There's nobody doing it like that, you know what I mean?
• 1:50:54
  Tad Eggleston: I realized what it is, is… is he… He controls, like…
• 1:51:02
  Tad Eggleston: for me to fully, fully, like, make this make sense, like, I have to…
• 1:51:07
  Tad Eggleston: The only medium that I can read horror in is comics.
• 1:51:12
  Tad Eggleston: I can't read horror prose, I can't watch horror movies, because the parts that I don't like, the director, the writer, they decide how much time I spend with them. I can't just go, woo!
• 1:51:25
  Matt Kindt: We have.
• 1:51:26
  Tad Eggleston: Those panels do.
• 1:51:31
  Tad Eggleston: Is they manipulate your time.
• 1:51:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Even though there's one picture, so you can crack out of it. If you ever drew something that I really didn't want to look at, I'm certain that I could manage to turn the page.
• 1:51:43
  Tad Eggleston: But even when it's one picture for the whole page, because it's separated into 30 panels.
• 1:51:52
  Tad Eggleston: It forces you to linger on it.
• 1:51:55
  Tad Eggleston: You spend a little bit of time with each panel, just in case one is different.
• 1:52:00
  Tad Eggleston: work.
• 1:52:00
  Matt Kindt: Yup.
• 1:52:01
  Tad Eggleston: It's not even really just in case one is different, because you know that they won't be, but…
• 1:52:07
  Tad Eggleston: But it's this way of manipulating the… the time.
• 1:52:13
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, you're right. In the… this is why I'm look… like, for me, like, the older I get, the harder it is for me to find comics that are interesting to me, because I've seen it all. You can kind of catch up with comics and read all the greatest things, I think. And I feel like I… now it's harder for me
• 1:52:31
  Matt Kindt: to find something like that that's like, oh my god, I hadn't thought of that. Or… or, like, here's a new way of doing a thing, because that's what… I'm always trying to figure it out, like, how do I… how can I do something new and different? Only you can do in comics?
• 1:52:43
  Matt Kindt: And then he's… he's cracked the code on something there with, like, what you said, plus, like, the way that… it's not just a lot of panels, or, like, the layouts are crazy, it's, like, the panels are part of the storytelling in a way that nobody else is doing it.
• 1:52:56
  Matt Kindt: like, the actual panel, the arrangement, and the… it's part of the storytelling, and sometimes they go like this, where the panels are in the story, and then sometimes they're out, pushing you to the next thing. Nobody's doing anything quite like it.
• 1:53:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, and, like, every read-through, I, I, like, notice… like…
• 1:53:19
  Tad Eggleston: and great artists, like, one of the reasons I can read Mind Management over and over again, one of the reasons that I can read Saga over and over again, one of the reasons I can read Jesse Lonergan, anything, over and over again, is each read
• 1:53:34
  Tad Eggleston: I will discover something new.
• 1:53:38
  Tad Eggleston: but not something… I mean, sometimes something that'll make me look at it differently, but more something where I have picked apart just a little bit more
• 1:53:49
  Tad Eggleston: why I was so odd to begin with.
• 1:53:53
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 1:53:54
  Matt Kindt: I felt…
• 1:53:55
  Tad Eggleston: it the first time, even though I…
• 1:53:57
  Tad Eggleston: Didn't notice it the first time.
• 1:54:01
  Matt Kindt: Yup.
• 1:54:02
  Tad Eggleston: You know… .
• 1:54:06
  Matt Kindt: No, that's what… that's what I love about that, and that's why I… I sort of love, and that's why I kind of reject comics that… where you can just read and flip, read and flip, and it's like…
• 1:54:16
  Matt Kindt: Artisem's incidental, you know, it's not doing anything to add to it, and .
• 1:54:20
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't reject them, because sometimes they're still fun stories. I mean, like, reject them.
• 1:54:25
  Tad Eggleston: Every medium has different types of stories.
• 1:54:27
  Matt Kindt: No, no, you're right about that, but I reject him, because I was like, I want to read comics that use comics to make.
• 1:54:31
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, like, I mean, it all comes down to how much reading time. You make more comics. Like, I don't reject them because comics are my favorite medium for…
• 1:54:39
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:54:40
  Tad Eggleston: All storytelling.
• 1:54:41
  Matt Kindt: That's true. That's true. I have… here's what I…
• 1:54:43
  Tad Eggleston: I'm much more of a reader than a maker.
• 1:54:45
  Matt Kindt: I am… that… that's true. I also… I didn't used to be… I think, the older I get, the more I realize how much I have finite time on this earth, so I'm gonna make sure that I… I can't read everything, so I'm gonna make sure that, I try to read… I get that.
• 1:54:59
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, trust me, I'm getting pickier.
• 1:55:02
  Matt Kindt: Hmm, yeah.
• 1:55:03
  Tad Eggleston: I'm just not as… and you've got, it sounds like, about 10 years on me, so, like…
• 1:55:09
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:55:10
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe only 8, did you say 53?
• 1:55:12
  Matt Kindt: 53, and I didn't start…
• 1:55:14
  Tad Eggleston: 7 years, you got 7 years on.
• 1:55:16
  Matt Kindt: I've never quit a book… a prose book. I've never… I never quit a prose book partway through until, like, 10 years ago, and then I was like, you know what? I don't need to. I don't need to finish everything. It's okay.
• 1:55:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's a hard thing to accept, though.
• 1:55:30
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, but I still haven't.
• 1:55:31
  Tad Eggleston: Not all the way there.
• 1:55:33
  Matt Kindt: I've not walked out of a movie yet, but… but books, I've stopped.
• 1:55:37
  Tad Eggleston: I've never walked out of a movie, I have stopped watching one that I was streaming, or whatever.
• 1:55:43
  Matt Kindt: That's true. I have done that too. I have done that too, but…
• 1:55:47
  Tad Eggleston: But you brought up books, and there's one other comic that I absolutely have to bring up. I've already had you for, like, 2-plus hours, so…
• 1:55:57
  Matt Kindt: minutes, Leah?
• 1:55:58
  Tad Eggleston: What?
• 1:55:59
  Matt Kindt: Chop this… edit this down to 20 minutes so people will hear it all.
• 1:56:04
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, ironically, some of the longer ones are the ones that get listened to more.
• 1:56:08
  Matt Kindt: No, that's good. Get to work and then get back. I think people go, oh, wait!
• 1:56:13
  Tad Eggleston: X number of hours with so-and-so?
• 1:56:16
  Matt Kindt: God.
• 1:56:16
  Tad Eggleston: I'm in.
• 1:56:17
  Tad Eggleston: You… And I've all… like, every issue, I send Ibrahim a glowing email.
• 1:56:28
  Tad Eggleston: You and Ibrahim Mustafa have taken on…
• 1:56:35
  Matt Kindt: John Lecrae?
• 1:56:37
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah, I was gonna go there, but what I was really gonna say is, like, the near impossible project.
• 1:56:42
  Tad Eggleston: Because John LeCare is… Not only the master spy novelist, but he's the master spy novelist because… Cuz…
• 1:56:54
  Tad Eggleston: He's a spy novelist.
• 1:56:56
  Tad Eggleston: Because he's not James Bond. Because he's not…
• 1:57:00
  Tad Eggleston: action all the time, blah blah blah, because… but…
• 1:57:04
  Tad Eggleston: he's still always compelling. And somehow, always compelling, even though he doesn't, like… I mean, like…
• 1:57:14
  Tad Eggleston: In Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy, the climax is George Smiley
• 1:57:20
  Tad Eggleston: Sitting in a room, going through papers, that you don't hear about what's in the papers, and still, it's a…
• 1:57:30
  Tad Eggleston: like… compelling climax.
• 1:57:34
  Tad Eggleston: Even though he didn't tell you what was going on, and it's not action-packed.
• 1:57:39
  Tad Eggleston: So, when I saw that this book was coming, because I'm a huge Le Carre fan. Huge LeCare fan.
• 1:57:46
  Matt Kindt: Same.
• 1:57:47
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 1:57:47
  Tad Eggleston: And overall, I'm a huge believer that the comics are the perfect medium, that there's no story that can't be told as well or better in a comic book.
• 1:57:58
  Tad Eggleston: I'm all for comic adaptations of anything.
• 1:58:03
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 1:58:06
  Tad Eggleston: And when I saw this announced, I was scared, because I'm sitting there going, Please, dear God.
• 1:58:15
  Tad Eggleston: Have this feel like a lecery?
• 1:58:17
  Matt Kindt: Me too.
• 1:58:19
  Tad Eggleston: And like, the only reason I was 100% on board is I'm like, oh, Matt Kent and Ibrahim Mustafa, I know that they CAN do it. So the question is.
• 1:58:31
  Matt Kindt: How…
• 1:58:32
  Tad Eggleston: Much editorial interference will they run into
• 1:58:38
  Tad Eggleston: You know, oh, where's the car chase? Why don't we have gadgets? I mean, I could just… I could hear the horrible conversations in my head, and Dark Horse isn't always like that, but you know what I mean.
• 1:58:50
  Matt Kindt: Yeah. No, here… here's a true story of that. Everything you said that was… would make you nervous, me too. I didn't want to do it. Honestly, I didn't want to do it. I turned it down, I was like, I don't… I don't… and then,
• 1:59:03
  Matt Kindt: But I talked to the estate, and the people running the estate are his kids. It's his daughter and his son.
• 1:59:11
  Matt Kindt: And then,
• 1:59:13
  Matt Kindt: So I was talking to them, and then there was such reverence for the original books, and then for their dad, and for the work, and they were telling me stories about them and everything, and then… and then,
• 1:59:24
  Matt Kindt: And I felt good about it, because I was like, oh, let's turn in an outline, here's… here's some ideas, here's… and then I felt like they were…
• 1:59:32
  Matt Kindt: protecting me, but also, like, making sure that it… it was right, you know? And I wasn't gonna do something that was…
• 1:59:39
  Matt Kindt: disrespectful to him or the property and everything, because I'm such a huge fan of it. The last thing I want to do is
• 1:59:46
  Matt Kindt: honestly, the last thing I want to do is, like, kind of work on… on it, or be a part of that. You know what I mean? I… I just want to be a fan of it sometimes, and so this is one of those cases, but… but also, I was like, I was like, maybe if it's said… because it's said in modern day, we don't see Smiley, you know, you sort of… there's…
• 2:00:03
  Matt Kindt: his fingerprints around it a little bit, hints of him and everything, but it's… it's all new, set in this universe with all this stuff he set… he…
• 2:00:11
  Matt Kindt: created, so, like, all the toys and the cool stuff is there, but I can… you can sort of tell a new story, and it's in comics. Anyway, I, yeah, I… I was happy with how it turned out, and they were happy with how it turned out, and that's all that really matters, like, are the kids happy?
• 2:00:25
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I can't wait for the third issue. I'm happy with how the first two have turned out, and like…
• 2:00:31
  Tad Eggleston: The next issue is, I think, a week from Wednesday, and, like, I'm salivating already.
• 2:00:37
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, I'm glad, I'm glad you're liking it, and that one I have to sort of block out. I was like, I hope to God people love it. I know that the kids liked it, and that, at the end of the day, is all they'.
• 2:00:47
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, frankly, I mean, particularly because I imagine, at least on some level, it was work for hire. That's your audience. If they liked it, you're good.
• 2:00:58
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, it was work for hire, but I was like, I don't need work for hire, I don't do it anymore, you know? I was like, I don't need the hassle or the… and that was… I don't really need it. I don't want notes, you know? But this one is too…
• 2:01:11
  Matt Kindt: Too fun not to try.
• 2:01:14
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I haven't… I haven't had Ibrahim on the air since… since…
• 2:01:18
  Tad Eggleston: this? Like, how did you pair with him? Because he is, like, the perfect…
• 2:01:24
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, Darkworth set it all up, it was all through them, you know, it was just,
• 2:01:28
  Matt Kindt: All right.
• 2:01:28
  Tad Eggleston: Right, so who was editing and was smart enough to go, Matt Kent and Abraham Mustang?
• 2:01:33
  Matt Kindt: That's a good question, that's a good… I have no idea where the name… I think they sent… I think they sent the estate a few different options, and then they chose… and he was picked from all of them, you know.
• 2:01:45
  Matt Kindt: I think that's how it worked, but I can't… I don't know… I don't know all the details.
• 2:01:49
  Tad Eggleston: He's definitely one of those… completely underrated storytellers out there. His… his solo work is…
• 2:01:59
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know if you've read it all, if you haven't…
• 2:02:01
  Matt Kindt: He did a Cano Monte Cristo thing, or whatever, I thought was really cool.
• 2:02:05
  Tad Eggleston: Count and sin.
• 2:02:06
  Matt Kindt: I'd never worked with them before, so…
• 2:02:08
  Matt Kindt: Yeah. He's such a good guy.
• 2:02:11
  Tad Eggleston: Such a good…
• 2:02:11
  Matt Kindt: Cool, he did a great cutaway view, I was like, what? And when I was writing it, I was actually writing for me to draw, forgetting that I wasn't drawing it. And then, so a lot of the script was like… I was like, oh boy, I hope you don't mind cutaway views and cool…
• 2:02:25
  Matt Kindt: But, no, he has a real good sport about it, so… Yeah.
• 2:02:29
  Tad Eggleston: So, what's your favorite LeCary novel?
• 2:02:33
  Matt Kindt: Boy, it's a good question. Tinker Tailor's probably my favorite, just because.
• 2:02:38
  Tad Eggleston: It's so good.
• 2:02:38
  Matt Kindt: There's so much… and I can keep… I can re-read it, because I forget. I was like, what hap… how does all this tie together? I forget.
• 2:02:46
  Tad Eggleston: The whole Karma trilogy.
• 2:02:48
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 2:02:49
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I like all the Smiley books, even the new one, but the Carla trilogy.
• 2:02:53
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, those are my favorite. I read them all in chronological order.
• 2:02:57
  Matt Kindt: all of his books, you know, just to sort of… I wanted to make sure I tried to capture the voice through osmosis, you know, so I tried to not write as me, necessarily. And so I reread everything, took a ton of notes. I've never done that much
• 2:03:12
  Matt Kindt: work.
• 2:03:13
  Matt Kindt: for a comic before in my life. It's usually just making stuff up, it's easy.
• 2:03:19
  Tad Eggleston: Do you read, McCarron?
• 2:03:22
  Tad Eggleston: the Slough House books.
• 2:03:24
  Matt Kindt: No, I've been…
• 2:03:25
  Tad Eggleston: Slow Horse.
• 2:03:26
  Matt Kindt: I've been watching the TV show, and then Brian, reads all the books, he tells me they're great, and that I like them and everything, and then I just haven't yet, because…
• 2:03:33
  Tad Eggleston: I'm listening to the books… er, well, I was re-listening to the first one, and now listening to the later ones, because,
• 2:03:41
  Tad Eggleston: I watched the series after, Dennis Hopeless told me I needed to. Yeah.
• 2:03:48
  Tad Eggleston: No, it's good.
• 2:03:49
  Tad Eggleston: One of the things I like that they did in the series… Like, the novels, like…
• 2:03:57
  Tad Eggleston: you can… you can tell that they're, like, using different names, but kind of referring to Smiley-type stuff.
• 2:04:05
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 2:04:06
  Tad Eggleston: And in the TV show, they just use Smiley.
• 2:04:10
  Tad Eggleston: You know, he gets referenced on a regular basis, and I love it.
• 2:04:15
  Tad Eggleston: They… they do feel like both the novels and they feel like they belong in the same universe. The MI5 and MI6 are the same universe.
• 2:04:24
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah. No, it's great, and I will… I think I'm waiting for this show to be done.
• 2:04:30
  Matt Kindt: And then I'll go read the books, because then there'll be no more show, and then I'll still have.
• 2:04:34
  Tad Eggleston: That's fair.
• 2:04:34
  Matt Kindt: He'll get my fix, you know.
• 2:04:35
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, he's still reading… writing the books, so, I mean…
• 2:04:38
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 2:04:38
  Tad Eggleston: B.
• 2:04:39
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, that's… yeah, that's true.
• 2:04:40
  Tad Eggleston: It'll be a while on either one.
• 2:04:42
  Tad Eggleston: We'll see.
• 2:04:43
  Matt Kindt: But.
• 2:04:44
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, we're gonna get to the two closing questions, just because if I want you to be my friend Matt Kint, I can't keep you forever and ever.
• 2:04:53
  Matt Kindt: Yes, that would be great. I have… I have to go back and work some more tonight.
• 2:04:57
  Tad Eggleston: And I have to proctor the ACT tomorrow.
• 2:05:00
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 2:05:00
  Tad Eggleston: Also.
• 2:05:01
  Matt Kindt: Yeah.
• 2:05:02
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, alright, I won't trade you.
• 2:05:06
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's good, because nobody would want to see my drawing.
• 2:05:09
  Matt Kindt: That's good, and I wouldn't know what to do.
• 2:05:12
  Tad Eggleston: king draws better than I do.
• 2:05:16
  Tad Eggleston: I've been doing this podcast for… for…
• 2:05:23
  Tad Eggleston: like, not even five years now, and I feel like I've entered the Twilight Zone. The number of experiences I have, like, hanging out with Matt Kint for two and a half hours.
• 2:05:34
  Tad Eggleston: Two days after I knew it was possible that I could hang out with Matt Kent at all… .
• 2:05:41
  Matt Kindt: Cool, dude, I, it's been great.
• 2:05:44
  Tad Eggleston: That sort of thing. Like, my life is just filled with all of these surreal…
• 2:05:50
  Tad Eggleston: talked to me 10 years ago and tell me it's gonna happen, unbelievable experiences. But I've also discovered that, like, everybody in comics…
• 2:06:01
  Tad Eggleston: has those experiences, or feels that Twilight Zone. So I've started collecting
• 2:06:06
  Tad Eggleston: experiences. Tell me one surreal. You have to pinch yourself to believe that it actually happened.
• 2:06:13
  Tad Eggleston: Experience that you've had.
• 2:06:17
  Matt Kindt: Oh boy, let's see…
• 2:06:19
  Matt Kindt: So, you're… it's true, here's what I'll say about comics, is if you told me going into comics that it would provide the opportunities I've had over the course of my life, just, like, travel opportunities, you know, going to…
• 2:06:33
  Matt Kindt: to France, and all over Europe, and everything, and Anglem, I would say one of the… my favorite,
• 2:06:43
  Matt Kindt: one of my favorite memories… I have two memories. One is… I'll do… I'll make them real quick. One is, going to Paris, landing in Paris, getting in the car, the publisher picked me up, and then we're driving through town to the hotel, and then the radio's on. He's like.
• 2:06:58
  Matt Kindt: He's like, oh, they're talking about you right now on the radio. This is, like, my second book, Two Sisters, one of my earlier books. And I was like, what? He's like…
• 2:07:06
  Tad Eggleston: Which is so good.
• 2:07:07
  Matt Kindt: They're talking about,
• 2:07:08
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't even bring up Red Hannah tonight. We could do a whole episode on Red H.
• 2:07:12
  Matt Kindt: We'll do another one, we can actually talk about the books sometime, but that's… that's less interesting to me. But but yeah, they were talking about me and the books on the radio, in the car, right after we landed. I was like, what the heck's going on here? Second one is Luca, Italy. We were at this… they were like, oh, come to the theater tonight, there's gonna be…
• 2:07:31
  Matt Kindt: whatever, it was this big… it looked like an opera house, and it was the opening night of the convention, and I didn't… couldn't understand anything, and they're like, oh, go backstage, I don't know what's going on, you know, and
• 2:07:44
  Matt Kindt: They're, like,
• 2:07:46
  Matt Kindt: They're like, just go backstage and get in line. I was in line, I was with… I can't remember who was there, it was, like, Paul Pope, a bunch of other, like, big names.
• 2:07:52
  Tad Eggleston: He's a great guy.
• 2:07:53
  Matt Kindt: comic book people.
• 2:07:55
  Tad Eggleston: Positive.
• 2:07:55
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, we're totally…
• 2:07:56
  Tad Eggleston: That's another one of those weird things.
• 2:07:59
  Matt Kindt: They're, like, way behind the stage till they call you your name, so I was like, okay, I don't know what's going on, it's a crowd out there. And then, so everybody, they call the names, you walk out, and so they call my name, I walk out, and they hand me some kind of…
• 2:08:10
  Matt Kindt: award, some kind of plaque or something in a velvet box and everything. I was like, what's happening here? What is going on? I don't know what it was, you know? And then, literally, like,
• 2:08:20
  Matt Kindt: And then there was the convention, you do all the… all that stuff. But literally, like, a month later, I'm reading an old interview with Jack Kirby in the Comics Journal, and they're talking about, whatever, this is, like, from the 80s, this interview.
• 2:08:32
  Matt Kindt: And Jack Kirby's talking about, yeah, I… they invited me to Luca, and then I came, and I was on stage at this place, and… and then they… they're like, go, and then they call me out, and then they give me this award,
• 2:08:45
  Matt Kindt: after they called my name, I had no idea what… what it was for, what they were doing, because of all the… I don't speak Italian. It literally was the same… he was describing the same experience I just had, like, a month earlier. Interesting. And I was like, that… that was the best. I was like, oh my god, I don't… I don't deserve it, but I was like, it's cool to be at least walking in the… whatever.
• 2:09:04
  Matt Kindt: You do.
• 2:09:05
  Tad Eggleston: You deserve it.
• 2:09:06
  Matt Kindt: And that's an amazing…
• 2:09:07
  Tad Eggleston: story.
• 2:09:07
  Matt Kindt: Of these greats, you know, but that's probably one of my favorites.
• 2:09:11
  Tad Eggleston: Love it.
• 2:09:12
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, last question. Tell me something you love.
• 2:09:16
  Tad Eggleston: Preferably a comic, but we don't really have rules. Preferably storytelling, but again, with the rules.
• 2:09:22
  Tad Eggleston: But something that you love.
• 2:09:24
  Tad Eggleston: That not enough people around you have experienced, and you need them to, so you can talk more about it. And you can't say drone, because we just talked about it.
• 2:09:32
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, we would say don't drum… okay, oh, boy. Let's…
• 2:09:38
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it would have been a good choice, but we just talked about it.
• 2:09:41
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, yeah. No, here's what… you know what I'm gonna say? I'll plug another friend of mine, Kyle Starks, I think is a talent.
• 2:09:49
  Tad Eggleston: Kyle's another regular on this podcast.
• 2:09:51
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, is he on the.
• 2:09:52
  Tad Eggleston: Big fan of Kyle Starks.
• 2:09:53
  Matt Kindt: So, so mad that he got on here before me. I was like, how dare.
• 2:09:57
  Tad Eggleston: Multiple times.
• 2:09:58
  Matt Kindt: But no, he… I just read his… he's doing…
• 2:10:01
  Tad Eggleston: He's another guy that had two of my favorite books that came out this week.
• 2:10:05
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, what came out? What was it? Plug on the…
• 2:10:08
  Tad Eggleston: Let me pull up the show notes from… from… I had to go 9 rather than 3. Normally, I do my top 3 books, and if I don't do 3, I have to go to 9, because…
• 2:10:18
  Tad Eggleston: like, I'm a baseball guy. He had both Where Monsters Lie, Dead End, I got my PDF from him, and End of Life Number 3.
• 2:10:28
  Matt Kindt: Nice. Yeah, those are both good. I read all these…
• 2:10:30
  Tad Eggleston: Fantastic.
• 2:10:30
  Matt Kindt: the PDFs, I'm reading them in the worst possible way. But, no, I would say get… Sex Castle is the first book… Oh, I love.
• 2:10:39
  Tad Eggleston: Sex Castle.
• 2:10:40
  Matt Kindt: That was the one that got me onto his work, and then we became friends, and then,
• 2:10:46
  Matt Kindt: he's got a new one, he's gonna launch a Kickstarter this summer, and he sent me a PDF of it, and I can't remember the name of it, it's like something… it's a…
• 2:10:53
  Matt Kindt: Girl's name…
• 2:10:54
  Matt Kindt: stole my heart, and I have, like, 2 days to get it back or something. You'll see it this summer, but he's.
• 2:10:59
  Tad Eggleston: I'm trying to remember if he mentioned it, I mean, he literally sent out a Patreon today.
• 2:11:07
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, I wonder if he's.
• 2:11:08
  Tad Eggleston: We're talking about not having anything, like, on the slate right now.
• 2:11:12
  Tad Eggleston: Which is frustrating for him.
• 2:11:13
  Matt Kindt: Hmm.
• 2:11:14
  Matt Kindt: I'm doing a, well, I'm doing a variant cover for it, for him, but it's like a 40- or 50-page graphic novel, but I read it, and I was like, his art, he's drawing it too, so my favorite stuff is that he writes and draws.
• 2:11:26
  Tad Eggleston: Me too.
• 2:11:26
  Matt Kindt: something about the goofiness of his art, and I mean goofiness in the best possible way.
• 2:11:32
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, absolutely.
• 2:11:33
  Matt Kindt: That goes with the writing, which seems ridiculous, and it's…
• 2:11:36
  Matt Kindt: It's violent and funny, but there's… he's… there's a secret…
• 2:11:41
  Matt Kindt: ingredient… there's real heart and real feeling in it that, like, sort of catches you off guard because it's funny and it's weird-looking, and then he sucker punches you with, like, these feelings that, are so shocking to me. I haven't read… I don't really read any comics like that.
• 2:11:57
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I… I adore Kyle Starks. I will say that the only time I like… Kyle Starks.
• 2:12:06
  Tad Eggleston: writing with a different artist, as much as I like Kyle Starks all by himself, is when Chris Schweiser is drawing him. Sidekick's Trigger Keaton is…
• 2:12:15
  Matt Kindt: It was so good, and yeah, he's…
• 2:12:17
  Tad Eggleston: Not just because it's the only other Tad Thaddeus I have ever met.
• 2:12:22
  Matt Kindt: Apparently.
• 2:12:23
  Tad Eggleston: And they have a friend named Thaddeus who's a tad, but, like, I have no Thaddeuses in my life, I have known Tad's in my life, I have never met a Thaddeus that was a Tad other than me until the character in Six Sidekicks is Trigger Keaton. So, my wife also made me a sweatshirt.
• 2:12:40
  Tad Eggleston: that has… there's a… there's a panel where… where… where Tad's at the…
• 2:12:46
  Tad Eggleston: at the wheel of his car, going, hi, my name is Tad.
• 2:12:50
  Matt Kindt: No, that's great.
• 2:12:53
  Tad Eggleston: They debuted that at C2E2 last year, and went to both of their booths to show off.
• 2:12:57
  Matt Kindt: Your t-shirt game is strong, dude.
• 2:13:01
  Tad Eggleston: This is the advantage of marrying a printmaker.
• 2:13:03
  Matt Kindt: Yeah, no, that's great.
• 2:13:05
  Tad Eggleston: My sugar mama is a… is a… is a… is a public school art teacher who's also a printmaker, so I'm in good shape.
• 2:13:13
  Matt Kindt: That's great, it's a dangerous combination, I love it.
• 2:13:15
  Tad Eggleston: I do too.
• 2:13:19
  Tad Eggleston: Stick around for a second after we're off air, but for 22 panels, this has been Matt Kent, and so much fun. I was so nervous earlier today, and we just fell into it, and it's been fantastic, and we will see you after the next page.