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Solving the Existential Crisis of Humanity By Evolution of Consciousness · Sri Aurobindo Studies

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Welcome to the selfgrowth.com show.
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My name is David Ricklin and I'm the founder of selfgrowth.com.
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They will be discussing solving humanity's existential crisis
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through the evolutionary development of consciousness.
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I know that's a very challenging concept.
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We're going to delve in deep is a lot of problems going on in
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the world right now. To help us understand these
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topics, I'm excited to interview Santosh Krinsky.
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Make sure you have something to write with.
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We're going to be sharing a lot of information today.
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Before we get started, I want to take a couple of minutes and
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share some information on Santosh.
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Santosh Krinsky's been studying 3 Arabindos The Life Divine
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since 1971 and we'll be getting to some detail about who he is
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and and why he's important. He's lived in the USA, Europe
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and India and is Ben and remains active in the natural products
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industry. Since 1974.
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He's the editor at Lotus Press, a publisher of books on
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spirituality and Wellness, with a special focus on Ayurveda,
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Reiki and herbalism and the writings of Sri Arbindo.
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He is himself the author of 13 books of readings focused on the
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works of Sri Arbindo, and he publishes a daily blog post as
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he expands his study. Santosh is president of a
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nonprofit institute for holistic education, which is dedicated to
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the work of integrating spirituality into daily life.
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He resides with his wife, Karuna.
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Hope I get the pronunciation right in Honolulu, HI.
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Santosh, welcome to today's show.
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Well, thank you. It's my pleasure to be here.
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All right, very excited. A lot of deep topics I want to
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cover today and we're going to delve in deeply.
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But the first thing I want to start with, it's something I
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mentioned in terms of the our broad topic, what is this, the
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existential crisis of humanity today?
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So let's take a broad look. What is that?
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Well, essentially we're looking at a lot of changes that have
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taken place since the Industrial revolution to the point where we
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are experiencing massive species die off on the planet, climate
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change, the development of weapons that can totally
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annihilate humanity. But even more close to home, we
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have a very small percentage of people on the planet who live
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like the greatest kings or maharajas in history, while
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billions of people are barely able to survive.
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We have a freshwater crisis that's been across the world.
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We have a food crisis. We have a lot of tensions
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because of these issues that's leading to mass migrations and
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warfare and a lot of Saber rattling going on around the
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world. Now, clearly humanity has dozens
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of ways to destroy ourselves and the planet right now that we
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didn't have two or 300 years ago.
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And people are anxious, fearful and confused about what to do
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about it because these are such massive problems of someone
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mentioned to me just this morning that even Warren Buffett
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with all his billions of dollars says that he cannot solve these
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type of problems. And it makes him confused,
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fearful and concerned. Thank you for mentioning that to
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me this morning. You're welcome.
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I it's interesting. There's no, there's been no time
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in our history like this where we have, as you mentioned, just
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so many means of self destruction, self annihilation
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like never before. It's amazing that we put
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ourselves in a position. But with that, hopefully, and
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we'll be discussing today some things that we can do that
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individuals can do and we can do as a society and mankind to to
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offset some of these challenges that we deal with.
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So I want, I want to take a minute because I know one of the
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things you've done is you, you focused on studying 3 hour
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Bendos life and his worked. Why is he important?
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Why is he important in general? And how does some of his
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teachings apply in what we're going to be talking about today?
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OK, well basically I should say I've studied a vast array of
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spiritual and religious teachings from around the world,
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Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism along the way, so I'm
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not essentially limited there. What I found in the work of Sri
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Aurobindo was he integrated a lot of disparate facts that we
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do not normally understand the common thread, and showed that
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there is an evolution of consciousness that has been
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taking place on our planet since its inception as a a ball of
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fiery matter up to the point that human beings came forward.
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And people have misunderstood the idea of evolution.
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They think it's some kind of situation where man descended
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from the apes or whatever. And whether or not that's
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physically true about the physical evolution.
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More importantly, he speaks about an evolution of
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consciousness, the consciousness in matter, then the
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consciousness in the vital force of plants and then animals, and
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eventually the development of the human being and the mental
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consciousness. And all of these things
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systematically came forward and developed the forms that were
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able to hold that level of consciousness.
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And at this point, we find that the evolutionary crisis is that
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we are applying to problems we created with our mental
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consciousness to manage the material world and the vital
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world around us. But with the limitations of the
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mental consciousness, we've created a hole for ourselves
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that we've dug ourselves into. And Triora Bindo points out that
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the evolution of consciousness is not finished, and that it is
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at times when nature creates a crisis of existential
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proportions, that the next level of consciousness must appear and
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must begin to act upon the world or we wind up destroying
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ourselves. And so I think that's the
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important aspect that trioral Bindo focused on.
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That really is something revolutionary Albert Einstein
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said. We cannot solve our problems
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with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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And that's why we're all confused and fearful nowadays,
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because we keep trying to apply mental ideas and solutions to
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that now are far beyond what any mental solution can provide.
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Which is why we have everyone shouting at each other and why
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we have gridlock in our society. Because we're all seeing 1
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little piece of the puzzle and saying this is the solution.
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And in fact, all of them have limitations and weaknesses based
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on the limits of the mental consciousness.
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All right. Let me delve in a little deeper
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into a few things that you've said so far.
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So one of the challenges you mentioned in terms of trying to
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find a solution to this existential crisis is we really
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haven't evolved. Our level of consciousness
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hasn't evolved yet. Is that the main reason that
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past solutions, past things that we've tried have failed?
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Or are there other there are other aspects to it?
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Well, some of it is just we have used the mental power primarily
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to try to aggrandize ourselves materially and vitally.
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We use it to fulfill our desires, fulfill our greed.
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We don't even apply the mental consciousness in a way that
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uplifts us. It basically we try to find ways
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to have more technology, have creation, have more enjoyment
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and how to game the system if you will, rather than
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understanding why it is we are alive and what it is we are
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meant to do with our lives on this planet.
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If we think that the entire purpose of the creation of the
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universe is to eat, drink and be merry, well, frankly, we
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probably have too limited a viewpoint about things.
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All right, so in essence, it sounds like you're saying that
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this massive brain power and development we've really been
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focusing on, you know, almost the our pleasure.
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It's the kind of the the the physical pleasures in in most
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cases, instead of understanding and taking account the kind of
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the spiritual world and our conscious level of being that
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all this energy, but we have this brain power, but it's just
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using in one very specific focus and instead of using it broadly
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kind of fix things for for now in the future.
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Is that is that an accurate view?
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That's one side of the picture and it's it's a good start, but
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we're not limited to the brain power of the mental
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consciousness. The evolution continues and new
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manifestations of consciousness will evolve beyond the mental
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level. And so there's two aspects to
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it. One is we're not using our minds
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to their optimum potential. Secondly, we're not opening
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ourselves and becoming receptive to the pressure of the next
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level of consciousness that's trying to manifest in the world,
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and we are capable of achieving that level through our
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development. Maybe we should go quickly into
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the evolution of consciousness for a moment, because without
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that we're sort of stuck. Here.
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OK, let's focus on that. OK, so if somebody were looking
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at the planet Earth billions of years ago, they would have seen
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a ball of matter, They would have not seen any forms of life
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whatsoever. You Fast forward several billion
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years and suddenly you see plant life evolving and coming forward
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out of matter. And if you keep fast forwarding,
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you see animal life coming and eventually you see human life
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coming. With each level you see a new
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power of consciousness for the material level, which is very
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much mechanical in nature. It's atoms and molecules and
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forces of gravity and electricity and that type of
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thing. At the plant an animal level,
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you begin to see a vital reactive force, a force that has
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attraction and repulsion and desires and various needs.
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At the mental level, you begin to see thought developing and
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human beings begin to think about, well, why am I here?
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What is the universe about? How do things work?
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The reality is it's like a seed of a tree.
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If you see the seed of a tree, it's a material thing.
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Nobody knows that encoded inside that seed is a big tree.
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Plant it and give it the right conditions, the tree comes out
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of it. The world is pretty much the
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seed of development of the consciousness of the universe,
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you could say. And so we see first with the
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tree, some roots appear, a couple of leaves appear, and
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then you get, then you get branches and you get eventually
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the flowers and the fruits and the process of reproduction.
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The same thing happens with the planet and that evolution of
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consciousness. So we've seen the vital level
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come out, we've seen the lower mental level come out, we've
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seen flashes of a higher level of mentality come out.
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And some people over time have had experiences, spiritual
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experiences, what they may call religious or vision quest
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experiences, that show them that there is another further reality
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beyond what we can do with mental conceptualization.
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And that is the first indication that another level of
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consciousness is out there waiting and striving to evolve
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and develop on the planet. And it is a level that totally
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transforms the way we experience, look at and respond
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to the issues of life. All right, that's interesting.
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I'm just kind of thinking through the steps and where we
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are right now. So at this point, a smaller,
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much smaller percentage of the population and, and I would
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argue that probably only last few 1000 years of mankind have
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developed to this next level or are just beginning to develop
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this next level of, of consciousness.
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And from what you're saying is the expectations are that
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they'll be even more levels of consciousness that man will
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create and strive to. So we're, we're still at a point
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where perhaps we don't even know what our limits in terms of
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developing this consciousness are.
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Is that would that be an accurate view?
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Absolutely. That is, what we're seeing here
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is that even in humanity we have people who manifest some of the
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higher powers of the mind and we have some who don't, who are
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living more or less a purely vital life.
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Right. Maybe for reasons of opportunity
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or educational background or the stresses of just trying to
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survive in a harsh world. Because we found that people all
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over the world, when given opportunities, have the capacity
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to develop their mental powers. So it's not a matter of one
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group or person is better than another, but a lot of it is
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where they are, what they have to deal with.
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And. How they're given evolutionary
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opportunities, but then we see at the same time, not just these
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levels within mentality, but we see some people following a
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spiritual path, following a deeper religious path as they
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are called to find out more, to understand why they're here,
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what their life is about, and how they can participate in that
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higher purpose. OK, So I get it.
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Would you, would you say that people that are striving for
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those types of things have a better understanding of why
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we're here of a, a kind of a bigger world view are geared
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more towards or moving more towards manifesting these higher
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levels of consciousness? Well, to some degree I I would
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say that all of us who try to live a spiritual or religious
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life or for higher things have different levels of where we are
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in that realization. And some have more
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understanding, some have less. Some, like me, have to spend 40
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years studying one book to try and figure out what my book is
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about. You know, it's really, it's
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really something that is never ending.
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We have stages of our growth and development.
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And I can say that I feel like I've learned a lot in 40 years
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to the point where I can say that I really don't know very
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much. So there's a lot more to go.
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Yeah, there's. An old saying that the more you
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know, the more you know that you don't know.
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Well, I would agree with that. The more you're more learning
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about the stuff you don't know. So one of the things we want to
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focus on today was this concept is an existential crisis.
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What can we do about it? You know, we haven't had the
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tools and haven't haven't been able to kind of fix things.
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The problems are still there and they're worsening.
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Can be argued that they're worsening.
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What can humanity what, what can humanity do to seek a solution
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for the kind of this this crisis of survival almost.
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And so 22 broad questions. What can humanity do?
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And then what could we or should we as individuals be doing?
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And it and we'll start with that.
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Let's start with that, OK? Well, first, I was always
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impressed by a particular statement of Shriora Bindos,
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which I'll share with you, and that is to hope for a true
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change of human life without a change of human nature is an
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irrational and unspiritual proposition.
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And if we think about that for a moment, OK, we want to put a
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Band-Aid over all these problems we have.
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We have plastic in the ocean. The solution as well?
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Let's just clean up the plastic, or maybe stop using straws or
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something that isn't solving the essential problem.
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We're still seeing the world as individual fragments interacting
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with and fighting over the resources and the opportunities
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of the planet, and we see ourselves as individual separate
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actors on a stage in a hostile world.
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Basically, that viewpoint is essentially A vital and mental
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viewpoint. A change of consciousness leads
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to a change of human nature, and the essential change of
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consciousness can be illustrated by back a few thousand years
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ago, virtually all of humanity said that the sun revolves
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around the Earth. The Earth was the center of the
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universe. And.
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Everything was there for the Earth's benefit, and then along
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came certain individuals in science and they studied it and
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they said, well, actually the Earth revolves around the sun
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and it turns, and that's what creates the phenomenon that we
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see differently. So if we apply that same logic
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to how we live in the world and the consciousness we use, we say
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that the individual human being, you and I, are not the center of
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the universe. It's all not here just for our
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vital and physical satisfaction. So when we see the image from
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the space station of planet Earth, and we see that it's one
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unified whole and not a bunch of different countries fighting
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with each other over resources, we begin to see the shift in
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consciousness that is both coming and necessary for us to
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change the way we relate to the problems we're facing.
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We begin to see that we are part of a unity that has a larger
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purpose in the universe. Our Earth is part of a solar
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system. The solar system is part of the
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Milky Way Galaxy. The Galaxy is one of many
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galaxies, and these many galaxies are part of the
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universe. And some scientists nowadays
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will tell you there are multiple universes.
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Is that all there so that we can enjoy our pina coladas on the
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beach in the evening? I don't think so.
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You see what I mean? Yes.
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So the essential change of consciousness is to shift from
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an understanding of fragmentation and division to a
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vision and an actual experience of unity of all humanity and all
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the beings on the planet. You know, we could not survive
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without the trees on this planet, even though we're
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cutting them down and burning as fast as we can because we are
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symbiotic to them. Think about that for a moment.
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We don't think about that. We think of trees as a resource
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to be used, to be cut down, to be utilized, destroyed to make
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room for something else. But they create the oxygen that
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we need by breathing in the carbon dioxide that we excrete.
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So we and the trees are one symbiotic being, you could say.
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And trees means all the plant life, basically.
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Essentially, we can't live without them.
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They can't live without us. So why don't we recognize that?
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Why can't we live in that understanding of unity when that
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starts to happen? Because I'm now going to answer
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your question. When that starts to happen, both
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on the global level and on the individual level, it changes our
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entire relationship to each other and to the way we look
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upon the planet. And suddenly we realized that
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the other people on the planet are not our enemies.
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The planet is there to be shared among all the people and all the
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beings and animals that are on the planet, and to be honored
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and nourished and nurtured as our home, as part of our being
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from which we come. And at that point, we're not
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fighting over how I can grab more, but we're understanding
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how we can better apply the resources and not be wasteful
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and not be harmful planet to other people.
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And our whole vision of how to create international relations,
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how to deal with our world, how to apply science and technology,
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all of that changes. So then we come to the question.
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The second part of your question was, well, what can I do as an
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individual? And there are several things.
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These type of changes of awareness don't happen
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overnight, generally or magically.
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You know. Back in the 60s people thought
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they could take a pill and achieve cosmic consciousness.
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Well, OK, they got an experience of something that said they were
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not stole, fragmented individuals, but eventually they
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come down and they have to now deal with the fact that they
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still have to relate to their lives.
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So part of it is to undertake the mental and vital development
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that we said was not fully developed earlier so that we
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become more understanding and appreciative.
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We begin to look for the unity and consciously relate to that
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unity wherever we can. Start to look at our opinions,
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look at our desires, look at our needs, and try to make some
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adjustments to that while recognizing that that is not
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enough. It is eventually necessary for
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us to allow the next level of consciousness through intuition
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or through whatever spiritual practices 1 undertakes to begin
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to manifest within us, and that is a long lifetime process.
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The the Sages, the Rishi's, the spiritual and religious leaders
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have all said that know thyself, be true to thyself, understand
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the oneness of humanity. Those are words until we begin
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to actually practice them and you start where you are.
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You know, they say that one little ripple can change the
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universe. The butterfly effect.
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Well, what if 1000 people start trying to see the world from
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this different viewpoint, become receptive to it, undertake their
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own spiritual practices and, and let me say this, it has nothing
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to do with a specific religion, specific philosophy or a
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specific practice. Whatever people are doing to
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evolve and develop themselves is a positive pursuit and they
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should follow it and carry it out.
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We're not in opposition with each other as to whether we are
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believers in Buddha or Christ or Muhammad or Krishna or whomever,
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or philosophers such as Plato or Descartes.
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It doesn't matter. What matters is that we actually
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try to live that and be receptive to new thoughts, new
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feelings and new inspirations as they come and what we see when
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that happens. The spiritual experiences
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described by the leaders of the world over centuries who have
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had these experiences, they tell you you begin to experience a
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force within you descending from above your mind into your body
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and changing the way you react to things.
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Because it's not that we separate fragmented individuals
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have to do this. We that's still the old mental
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viewpoint. We need to allow the evolution
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that manifested matter, life and mind to manifest the next level
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within the framework of who we are as human beings.
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And so we have to become receptive and we have to begin
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to trust the inspiration that comes from that perception of
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unity. So let me just mention a few
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things that I'm hearing and I just want to kind of reaffirm.
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So it seems to me that in order to take on some of these bigger
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existential challenges that we're talking about, that not
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only does humanity as a whole need to develop this kind of a,
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the next level of consciousness, but all individuals should focus
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in their own way, in their kind of their own, their own world
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and developing themselves spiritually and to work in
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developing their, their own personal level of consciousness
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or, or greater level of consciousness independently of
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where they are now. So whatever, whatever level
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we're on now, people should look to kind of expand their
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awareness. And by expanding their
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awareness, it, it sounds like a big part of this is
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understanding kind of the unity of the whole world of how
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everything fits together. And I, I think you're, you're
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right. And one of the things that you
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said is we, we tend to think in our own little space and our,
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you know, we're doing our own little piece and we can just get
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our piece of the world and let's take what we can.
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But based on the interactions you're you're talking about,
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there's just too many factors at play and we're all working
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together. It's kind of an interlocked
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system. So whether you might think that
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you're sitting there in an isolated position and you're
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just doing your own piece of the world, but in essence, we're all
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locked together. Is that is that an accurate
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assessment of of some of your views?
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To a great degree, I would only say that I don't expect that
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every individual on the planet will get to the same place at
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the same time. That's not that's not a
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necessary factor. You know, there's a concept in
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logging called the key log. When they're cutting down trees
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and come into a river to move them somewhere, they get
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blocked. And an expert in logging can go
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and find the one log that, when it's moved, allows the entire
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flow to take place. And so we have a key log that we
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need to understand in our lives that will allow this new
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consciousness to pour forth. And so most of that is related
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to simply our preconceived habits and notions about what
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our life is that we've been indoctrinated to believe that we
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get bombarded with every day in the media.
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And it's really hard for any individual to get bombarded with
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that and still keep some sense of a larger purpose.
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So, you know, people like, for instance, His Holiness the Dalai
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Lama will say whatever the teachings are, my teaching is
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love and compassion. And others will say, well, it's
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having gratitude. These are emotions and feelings
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that open the being and make us more human, give us more
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relationship to one another, more understanding, more
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appreciation. And really, at this stage,
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that's the key log we need to move people away from material
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gratification as their purpose to appreciating the wonder, the
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beauty and the harmony of the world through compassion, love,
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gratitude, and reaching out to others and building bridges
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rather than setting up walls and putting us behind the walls with
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a weaponry to fight off everybody else.
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What you just said, it was very powerful in that for me, it
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summed up a lot of what you're saying and a lot of what we need
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to do as a people. Where you started out by saying
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we need to move away from this occupation with materialism and
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consumerism and we need to make AI guess a conscious effort to
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moving away from that. And that's it.
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That's a big change 'cause I I think of how the world runs and
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it's driven and part of the challenge you're talking about
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commercials and advertising and the messages we're getting.
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It's driven by this materialism consumerism.
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So it's, it's almost looking at it and saying, all right, we got
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to stop, at least for us as individuals and we need to open
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ourselves up to these, these other ways of thinking.
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Yes, you know, Sri Aravinda at one point said that we are
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satiated but not satisfied with the material benefits that we in
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the world. People are not happy.
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They are alienated, cynical, frustrated and angry at the same
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time. They've got all these material
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things and all these recreations and all these enticements and
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excitements. The reality is we feel less our
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humanity and our common humanity and less goodwill the more we
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isolate ourselves into this satiation.
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Yes. So we really need to understand
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that our fulfillment and benefiting the world through a
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more human response to it go together.
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All right. On a practical level, and you've
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covered some of these, but maybe you can reinforce them, what can
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we do to kind of participate in this change?
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So on a on a practical level, so you mentioned learning and
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following a spiritual path, whether it be teachings of Dalai
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Lama or you mentioned different religious teaching or spiritual
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teaching. What else can we do to kind of
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participate as individuals and bring about this change both in
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ourselves and in humanity? Well, I think that just by
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starting the thought process and then trying to implement it in
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daily life, people will begin to notice a lot of different things
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of I'll give you an example. There are many people who are
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deathly afraid of bees, OK? And they see a bee and the first
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thing they want to do is kill it.
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And they're not thinking about the fact that bees are essential
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to providing the food that they eat.
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And they don't need to be fearful of bees.
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They need to understand the role the bees play.
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Take that very simple example and say you have a fearful
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individual and that individual begins to reflect upon the
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oneness of everything and says, well, OK, I'm I just had a
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fearful reaction to a bee. Why am I reacting that way?
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And, you know, how can I deal with that in a different way?
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Begin to reflect on all the positive things the bees do.
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And then they begin to observe them and see that they're really
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interested in the flowers. They're not interested in coming
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out and attacking people. And.
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Over time, that fear reaction begins to subside and they've
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created a new relationship to another being on the planet.
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Well, multiply that by every interaction we have, you see
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massive amounts of opportunity for change.
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That's why Sri Aurobindo calls what we're talking about here
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the adventure of consciousness. We've explored outer space,
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we've explored under the sea, we've explored the tops and
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mountains. And Sri Aurobindo says it's time
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to explore inner space and have the adventure of consciousness.
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And it is an adventure because you have to face up to every
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issue. Someone cuts you off on the road
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and you're angry with them. You're not understanding.
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They're trying to get a sick person to the hospital and
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they're doing what they need to do and you're expressing anger.
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Well examine that and find out why is it I'm reacting and how
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can I look at it differently. But I can have compassion
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towards that being and not let them live rent free in my head.
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As someone has said, yes. Heard that before.
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Exactly. I like.
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This concept, the adventure of consciousness.
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So there's a couple things you said.
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I like that a lot. I also like the fact that we're
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kind of fighting to be satiated, but most people aren't
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satisfied. That's an.
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Interesting. It's an interesting concept and
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one of the things I hear a lot about especially in the business
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world, but it's all over that people are are not engaged,
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they're kind of disengaged in their world and we need to
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reengage and these are some of the ways is talking about to
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kind of reengage yourself. So I want to take a minute over
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here. Obviously, you talked a lot
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about Sarah Benda. Can you just share website?
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What's the best way to find resources, more learning or more
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tools with where do people go? Sure.
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Well, we have a a page called orobindo.net on the net and that
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landing page will give some introductions.
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We'll introduce people to some of the books that he's written
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or some of the introductions about Triorrobindo and his work.
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I think that's a pretty good place to start.
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I should mention Shrioro Bindo was not interested in starting a
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new cult, religion, following, or anything else.
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His stated purpose was to support the evolution of
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consciousness on the planet, and each individual needs to find
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their way through there. His writings are meant to assist
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you in whatever your path is. He's not looking for someone
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flying the Orobindo flag and going to war with somebody else.
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On the contrary, you know, if you're a Christian or a Buddhist
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or a Hindu or a Jain or an atheist, whatever, you can
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participate in this evolution of consciousness.
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And his insights may be useful to that process.
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All right, and I'm going to. Spell that out for folks who
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didn't aren't looking at a link. It's arrobindo.net.
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It's a UROBINDO arrobindo.net. All right, I just want to take a
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couple of minutes right now to give you a chance to kind of sum
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up any final message for our listeners today.
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Things you haven't covered or any final message what what
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people should do at this point Well.
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I'll I'll give you another citation from Sri Aurobindo here
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that I think is salient. The most vital issue of the age
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is whether the future progress of humanity is to be governed by
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the modern economic and materialistic mind of the West,
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or by a nobler pragmatism guided, uplifted and enlightened
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by spiritual culture and knowledge.
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And I think that sums it up all right.
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Thank you very much for joining us today.
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I appreciate you shared a lot of wisdoms, your own wisdom and
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wisdom from Sri Arbundi. I really thank you for joining
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us. And I want to thank everybody
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for listening today. And I want to implore folks live
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Thanks, Steven. You're welcome.