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Ep 122: Mike Gallagher and Matt Pottinger on a Victory Strategy for China

Mike Gallagher and Matt Pottinger join the show to discuss their recent Foreign Affairs essay on the need for a victory strategy in America’s cold war with China.

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Times

• 01:53 Introduction

• 03:25 Meeting in Iraq

• 07:43 “There are bad guys…”

• 13:15 Why detente isn’t working

• 23:45 Real statesmanship?

• 32:12 Rearm/Reduce/Recruit

• 35:20 TikTok

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Read the Foreign Affairs piece here No Substitute for Victory America’s Competition With China Must Be Won, Not Managed

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