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Sovereign Circuits: Europe’s Challenge to Visa and Mastercard · SCENARIO Mr Camp (Podcast Deep Dive)

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  Speaker 1: You know, there's a quiet rebellion brewing in Europe. It's
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  Speaker 1: not happening on the streets, but in the digital world
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  Speaker 1: of payments. See, there's this massive plan taking shape to
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  Speaker 1: challenge the giants we're talking Visa and MasterCard, and to
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  Speaker 1: reclaim what some are calling payment sovereignty. So what is
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  Speaker 1: actually going on behind the scenes every time you tap
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  Speaker 1: your card? Just think about it for a second. The
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  Speaker 1: last time you bought a coffee, right, you tapped your card,
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  Speaker 1: the payment went through, and you probably didn't give it
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  Speaker 1: another thought. But that super simple, seamless transaction is part
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  Speaker 1: of a much bigger story, a story about dependency, billions
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  Speaker 1: of euros and fees and a growing geopolitical risk that
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  Speaker 1: is Europe scrambling for an alternative. And the scale of
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  Speaker 1: this is, well, it's pretty wild. According to the European
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  Speaker 1: Central Bank, about two thirds of all card payments in
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  Speaker 1: the Eurozone are processed by just two American companies. That
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  Speaker 1: is a crazy level of dominance in what's a really
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  Speaker 1: critical piece of Europe's entire economic infrastructure. So how did
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  Speaker 1: this even happen? How do we get here? And why
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  Speaker 1: is this suddenly being seen as such a huge problem.
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  Speaker 1: To really get it, we need to quickly look at
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  Speaker 1: the key players involved in this whole thing. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: every single time you use your card, there's a payment
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  Speaker 1: service provider or PSP working in the background. They're basically
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  Speaker 1: the essential middlemen that manage the whole process from the
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  Speaker 1: shop's card reader all the way to the banks making
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  Speaker 1: sure everything is secure. The issue for Europe, the biggest,
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  Speaker 1: most dominant PSPs on the continent are Visa and MasterCard,
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  Speaker 1: and this slide, this represents the heart of the economic problem.
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  Speaker 1: For every single transaction, these PSPs charge a tiny little
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  Speaker 1: interchange fee. Now it might just be a fraction of
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  Speaker 1: a percent on your purchase, but when you add up
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  Speaker 1: every single transaction across the entire continent, while that adds
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  Speaker 1: up to billions of euros flowing out of the European
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  Speaker 1: economy and right back to the US year after year.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly how a lot of European businesses see it.
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  Speaker 1: These fees are totally unavoidable, and they can be raised
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  Speaker 1: pretty easily when there's not much competition to keep them
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  Speaker 1: in check. This really hurts the small and medium sized businesses,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the ones operating on super tight margins. It's
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  Speaker 1: actually why you still see some smaller shops that just
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  Speaker 1: won't accept certain cards. But the concern goes way beyond
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  Speaker 1: just economics. There's this growing fear that this dependency could
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  Speaker 1: be well weaponized. European officials saw a really clear example
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  Speaker 1: of this when Visa and MasterCard pulled out of Russia
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  Speaker 1: after the invasion of Ukraine and a world with rising
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  Speaker 1: geopolitical tensions. The thought that a foreign power could, in theory,
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  Speaker 1: just switch off a huge chunk of your payment system,
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  Speaker 1: that's a risk Europe is just not willing to take anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So what's the plan. Well, a group of national payment
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  Speaker 1: providers have decided to join forces and build a truly
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  Speaker 1: pan European alternative. And we're not talking about some little
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  Speaker 1: startup here. This is an alliance of established, incredibly popular
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  Speaker 1: in national payment systems. I mean, look at this list.
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  Speaker 1: You've got major players like Spain's BISOM and Poland's BLEAK
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  Speaker 1: all teaming up to create one network that can work
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  Speaker 1: seamlessly across borders, covering almost three quarters of the EU
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  Speaker 1: and Norwegian populations right out of the gate. And this
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  Speaker 1: isn't some distant dream either. The timeline is really ambitious.
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  Speaker 1: The alliance was just formed in late twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 1: and the plan is to start rolling out cross border
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  Speaker 1: payments by late twenty twenty six, with a full blown
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  Speaker 1: expansion to online shopping and in store payments coming in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven. They are moving fast, So how are
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  Speaker 1: they going to pull this off while they're not trying
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  Speaker 1: to build a new visa from scratch. The strategy is
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  Speaker 1: actually a lot smarter than that. The plan really has
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  Speaker 1: three parts. First, you link the existing popular national apps
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  Speaker 1: that millions of people already use and trust. Second, you
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  Speaker 1: build a central hub that lets an app from Spain
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  Speaker 1: work perfectly in Poland. And third, you create a shared brand,
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  Speaker 1: a single logo so customers know they're using a European system.
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  Speaker 1: And this branding part is key. The whole idea is
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  Speaker 1: to create a kind of made in Europe label for
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  Speaker 1: your payments. It's an appeal to a shared identity, trying
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  Speaker 1: to encourage people to consciously choose a European provider over
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  Speaker 1: an American one, you know, when they have the choice.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so we've got the why and we've got
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  Speaker 1: the how. But the biggest question, the one everyone is asking,
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  Speaker 1: is can this actually work. Can it really challenge the
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  Speaker 1: duopoly of Visa and MasterCard? You know, there are some
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  Speaker 1: strong reasons to be optimistic here. Just compare it to
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  Speaker 1: other tech sectors like cloud computing, where US giants have
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  Speaker 1: an even bigger market share. The key difference is that,
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  Speaker 1: unlike the cloud, Europe already has the domestic infrastructure and
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  Speaker 1: the popular apps it needs to build its own payment system.
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  Speaker 1: They're not starting from absolute zero. So yeah, the optimism
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  Speaker 1: comes from using apps people already love, an infrastructure that's
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  Speaker 1: already built. There's even proven demand over six million euros
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  Speaker 1: we're transferred on the network with literally zero advertising. But
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  Speaker 1: and this is a massive butt, there's the European Central
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  Speaker 1: Bank's own plans for a digital Euro. This could create
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  Speaker 1: a system where people just transfer money directly, which would
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  Speaker 1: completely remove the need for any middleman, including this new
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  Speaker 1: European alliance, which leads us to this really central, kind
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  Speaker 1: of ironic question. In this big push to gain strategic
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  Speaker 1: autonomy from the US, could Europe accidentally create two competing
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  Speaker 1: solutions that just end up undermining each other? And this
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  Speaker 1: brings us right to the future and the potential for
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  Speaker 1: a really fundamental shift in how money itself works in
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  Speaker 1: Europe yeat. The digital Euro is the huge wild card
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  Speaker 1: in all of this. If it becomes a reality, it
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't just be an alternative to Visa and MasterCard, it
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  Speaker 1: would be an alternative to the entire system of private
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  Speaker 1: payment providers. It basically be a direct line from you
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  Speaker 1: to the central Bank. And this quote just captures the
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  Speaker 1: potential outcome perfectly. It would be pretty ironic, right if,
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  Speaker 1: in its big quest for financial independence, Europe developed too
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  Speaker 1: much strategic autonomy, creating one project to get away from
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  Speaker 1: American finance, only to have it completely wiped out by another,
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  Speaker 1: even more ambitious Hereuropean project. So ultimately, this is what
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  Speaker 1: it all boils down to. We are watching this fascinating
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  Speaker 1: three way race unfold. Will the American giants hold onto
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  Speaker 1: their grip, Will this new pan European alliance of national
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  Speaker 1: apps manage to carve out its independence, or will a
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  Speaker 1: government backed digital Euro come in and change the entire game.
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  Speaker 1: The future of Europe's wallet is officially up for grabs.