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The Kenny Report | 1 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Kenny Report Spring edition, welcoming in spring
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Speaker 3: this year tonight. Why does the Albanezi labor government and
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Speaker 3: the media call out some extremists and not others? The
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Speaker 3: leaders of China and Russia get together with plenty of
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Speaker 3: others in China and the United Nations Chief is there too.
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Speaker 3: How worried should we all be while power bills keep
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Speaker 3: going up? Guess what's going up even higher the paychecks
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Speaker 3: of power company executives. Across to the UK for Sophie
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Speaker 3: Ellsworth's latest on the immigration crisis, and Gemma Chon Chon
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Speaker 3: Yini and Caroline Durusso will join me too to sort
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Speaker 3: out the problems of the world.
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Speaker 2: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 3: We should never tolerate protests turning violent and ugly. Then
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Speaker 3: that certainly happened in Melbourne yesterday, And nor should we
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Speaker 3: welcome extreme more hateful view who is being aired at
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Speaker 3: public protests, and that certainly happened at some of the
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Speaker 3: rallies against our out of control immigration policies yesterday. Now
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Speaker 3: I've got no appetite at all for this sort of stuff.
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Speaker 3: Sickening Neo Nazis and racists ought to be exposed.
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Speaker 2: At every turn.
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Speaker 3: But we do need to have a thorough debate about
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Speaker 3: our immigration policies, of course, because they are out of control.
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Speaker 3: The Albanese government promised to reduce migration and it hasn't delivered,
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Speaker 3: and we do have a housing crisis, not to mention
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Speaker 3: the worst social division in living memory in this country.
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Speaker 3: And the extremists poison this debate so that bad policies
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Speaker 3: continue because all the opposition to them is tard with
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Speaker 3: the same extremist brush. So today I want to show
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Speaker 3: you how the media and some of our politicians seem
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Speaker 3: to have different approaches to different kinds of extremism and hatred.
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Speaker 3: They hide some forms of extremism, they make excuses for it,
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Speaker 3: and they oppose others. I prefer to be consistent. I'll
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Speaker 3: call out the hateful Islamus extremists and the feral socialist antagonists,
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Speaker 3: as well as the neo Nazis and the racists. Let
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Speaker 3: me show you what I mean just by showing you
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Speaker 3: some ABC coverage of yesterday's events compared to their coverage
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Speaker 3: of anti Israel and pro Palestinian protests last month. Flick
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Speaker 3: onto yesterday's coverage and it was the unsavory angles that dominated.
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Speaker 4: But walking among the crowd well known Neo Nazis, despite
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Speaker 4: denying its involvement in organizing the march. National Socialist Network
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Speaker 4: members were prominent, and Neo Nazi leader bestowed the honor
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Speaker 4: of final keynote speaker.
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Speaker 3: Now, the extremists were there, they should have been highlighted,
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Speaker 3: but the ABC could also have included more mainstream citizens
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Speaker 3: airing their concerns.
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Speaker 5: I love everything about Australia, That's why I chose to
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Speaker 5: come here. But it's not the same anymore.
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Speaker 6: I don't think.
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Speaker 5: Immigration is wrong, but you should have to It has
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Speaker 5: to be limited.
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Speaker 6: Our children, grandchildren.
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Speaker 5: They don't have any jobs now and they don't have
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Speaker 5: homes to live in. And what is a big fun
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Speaker 5: in bringing people? And at this age after my retirement,
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Speaker 5: I'm still working, still paying the tax for what to
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Speaker 5: support these people who come in as immigrants, So there
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Speaker 5: should be I always feel it's lessons more.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't there, but I understand there were plenty
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Speaker 3: of mainstream ausies with legitimate concerns who turned out, and
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Speaker 3: certainly that was the assessment from Channel nine's Mark Burrows.
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Speaker 7: The front of the march might have presented one picture, but.
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Speaker 3: The bulk of those parching today, those coming in from behind,
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Speaker 3: appeared to be anything but extremist, But you didn't really
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Speaker 3: get a sense of that from the ABC copy.
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Speaker 4: In Sydney police say there were about fifteen thousand in
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Speaker 4: the crowd. Members of a neo Nazi group were also
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Speaker 4: among the speakers there. I'm not go home, but were
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Speaker 4: boot out by others at the protest.
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Speaker 3: Now, once again, to be clear, this stuff should be
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Speaker 3: reported along with the disgusting poster of the alleged cop
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Speaker 3: killer Desi Freeman, which the ABC rightly highlighted. So the
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Speaker 3: point here is how the ABC focused on the extremists
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Speaker 3: and the hatred. They disagree with the main thrust of
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Speaker 3: the protest, so they reported them in.
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Speaker 2: An entirely negative way.
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Speaker 3: Compare that to their coverage of the pro Palestinian and
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Speaker 3: anti Israeli march across the Sydney Harbor Bridge last.
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Speaker 7: Month, despite the reign that come from all over the
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Speaker 7: city and beyond which.
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Speaker 8: Wanted to protest about what's going on in Gaza at
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Speaker 8: the moment, there's too many debts of young children, too
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Speaker 8: much starvation.
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Speaker 9: It's a sign of the turning tide of the opinion
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Speaker 9: in this country and it's a sign that people aren't
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Speaker 9: going to put up.
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Speaker 1: With it anymore.
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Speaker 7: The choice of location was intended to send a powerful message.
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Speaker 10: Concern for the starvation of the Palestinian people, expressed in
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Speaker 10: Sydney on our famous bridge that'll go right round the world.
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Speaker 3: They could not have portrayed this as more mainstream, more uplifting,
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Speaker 3: or more righteous, using the most agreeable pictures, players and comments.
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Speaker 3: It was more like an advertorial than a newspiece.
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Speaker 2: For some.
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Speaker 7: The sheer numbers of people turning up was overwhelming.
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Speaker 2: I can't cook at the crowd cry.
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Speaker 7: Thousands have braved this weather, the courts and the warnings
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Speaker 7: of the new South Wales Premier Chris Means to be
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Speaker 7: here today. Their message is the loudest it's ever been.
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Speaker 7: They are deeply concerned about the level of human suffering
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Speaker 7: taking place in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: They wanted to stop and.
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Speaker 7: They're calling on the Australian government to act now.
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Speaker 3: An advertorial indeed, bring what the ABC showed us about
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Speaker 3: yesterday's protests. What did the ABC fail to show people
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Speaker 3: from that bridge March? First, they didn't talk about the
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Speaker 3: hardline socialists who organized the protest. The Palestine Action Group
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Speaker 3: is often led by a self described socialist revolutionary, Josh Lees,
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Speaker 3: who writes for the website of The Socialist Alternative, which
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Speaker 3: is a Marxist outfit, But the ABC report left him out,
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Speaker 3: of course, and they also edited out the Islamist elements,
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Speaker 3: like the Islamist hate preacher Shaike Ibrahim de Doun, who
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Speaker 3: claimed to be doing this who's down on the Harbor
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Speaker 3: Bridge or iconic days when we are protesting, we're marching
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Speaker 3: for humanity. Really isn't this the same man who celebrated
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Speaker 3: celebrated the slaughter of twelve hundred Israeli men, women, and
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Speaker 3: children on October the seventh, twenty twenty three, not to
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Speaker 3: mention the taking of two hundred and fifty five hostages
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Speaker 3: even while the hostages are still being held to dooon
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Speaker 3: claimed to be marching for humanity, but the ABC didn't
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Speaker 3: include him or that Islamist angle. And there was plenty
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Speaker 3: more that was hateful and wasn't shown in the ABC report.
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Speaker 3: What about the people dressed like terrorists and waiving terrorist
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Speaker 3: banners on the bridge? What about the poster of the
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Speaker 3: supreme leader of Iran, the Ayatolla, who funds and inspires
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Speaker 3: terrorism around the world.
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Speaker 2: And what about the chanting for death.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, death to the IDF, death to the military that
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Speaker 3: every young Israeli serves in at some time, at other protests,
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Speaker 3: they've chanted for into fada or a terrorist uprising against Israel.
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Speaker 3: And of course there's always the River to the Sea
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Speaker 3: chart that even the Prime Minister admits is a call
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Speaker 3: for the elimination of Israel. Yet listen to how the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister described that Sydney Harbor Bridge March.
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Speaker 10: Yesterday's march was peaceful and there was an opportunity for
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Speaker 10: people to express their concern about what is happening in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Just incredible, isn't it. I was staggered and called it
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Speaker 3: out at the time. Most media, of course, went along
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Speaker 3: with this delusion. Yet the Albaneze Labor government's reaction to
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Speaker 3: yesterday's protest was very different. Here it is as covered
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Speaker 3: by the ABC.
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Speaker 11: Fighting against Mass Migration joined by One Nation leader Pauline Hansen.
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Speaker 6: What is this about? He's being proud of who we are.
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Speaker 6: Senator's views in the Minority.
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Speaker 4: We don't support rallies like this that are about spreading
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Speaker 4: hate and that are about dividing our community.
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Speaker 2: We are a country that is against extremism.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this extremism they call out radical socialists and radical
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Speaker 3: Islamist extremists are not tackled. The leftist politicians and much
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Speaker 3: of the media just pretend that stuff away. That's a
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Speaker 3: double standard and it's not good enough. The Opposition leader
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Speaker 3: seems to be getting stronger on these issues.
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Speaker 2: She demanded better from Albanezi today.
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Speaker 11: Since Hamas's barbarism on the seventh of October twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 11: new pressures have been placed on our social cohesion. There
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Speaker 11: have been multiple failures of government to keep our communities
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Speaker 11: safe and together. Synagogues have been firebombed, with our Jewish
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Speaker 11: community under siege. This past weekend, rallies occurred across Australia
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Speaker 11: attended by people of goodwill, but hijacked by violent neo
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Speaker 11: Nazis spouting hate and racism that can never be accepted.
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Speaker 11: This is a moment the demand's leadership. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 11: must show that leadership.
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Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, you've got to be strong and consistent on
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Speaker 3: this stuff. You have to stand up against extremism. Otherwise
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Speaker 3: the double standards and the wilful blindness will only fuel
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Speaker 3: more extremism. As if there isn't enough misinformation being spread
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Speaker 3: over Israel and Gaza, Greta Tunberg is getting involved in
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Speaker 3: another flotilla, ostensibly taking aid to Gaza, but really just
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Speaker 3: taking more lies to the world's media.
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Speaker 12: The story here is about Palestine. The story here is
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Speaker 12: how people are being deliberately deprived of the very basic
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Speaker 12: means to survive.
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Speaker 3: Just nonsense, of course, just the same lies about Israel
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Speaker 3: being the problem in Gas rather than Hummus being the problem.
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Speaker 3: Not a single person would be alive in Gaza now
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Speaker 3: after twenty three months of war if not for the aid, power, water,
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Speaker 3: and medical support supplied by and through Israel. The problem
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Speaker 3: is war, war triggered deliberately by Hummus, extended continuously by Hummus,
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Speaker 3: and worsened by Hummas as it common des aid and
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Speaker 3: shoots Palestinians trying to get aid. But Greta Tunberg does
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Speaker 3: not even mention Hummus or terrorism or hostages.
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Speaker 9: We know your views on what's happening and Israel's actions.
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Speaker 6: Can I just ask you your thoughts on Hummas. They're
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Speaker 6: still holding hostages.
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Speaker 5: What would your message to hummus be.
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Speaker 9: Again, there is a genocide going on. Palestinas have been
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Speaker 9: living under suffocating oppression and when there is an occupation
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Speaker 9: force this is not my views by international law, people
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Speaker 9: have a right.
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Speaker 6: To resist that occupation.
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Speaker 9: And again I do not stand behind killing civilians.
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Speaker 3: But but but what you don't support the killing of citizens?
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Speaker 3: But presumably she means the random shooting of teenagers is
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Speaker 3: the music's festival, and the sexual torture and mutilation of
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Speaker 3: young women. She doesn't support the burning of children alive
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Speaker 3: or the decapitation of murdered civilians. She doesn't support the
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Speaker 3: slaughter of parents in front of their children, the murder
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Speaker 3: of children in front of their parents. No, she doesn't
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Speaker 3: support the kidnapping of a mother and her two little
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Speaker 3: boys to later be murdered. Greta doesn't support this stuff.
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Speaker 2: But but what?
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Speaker 3: But people have the right to resist. Resist what Palestinians
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Speaker 3: were given Gaza in its entirety twenty years ago. Jewish
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Speaker 3: families were forcibly removed so that Palestinians could have Gaza
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Speaker 3: to themselves. Gaza was flooded with international aid for decades.
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Speaker 3: It could have been prosperous, free and happy, But Gazans
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Speaker 3: chose Hummus. They chose extremism, they chose hatred and violence,
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Speaker 3: and Hummus chose to continue its genocidal quest to destroy
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Speaker 3: Israel and eliminate Jews from the Middle East. Gretaitumberg is
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Speaker 3: no longer a misguided teenager driven nuts by climate alarmism.
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Speaker 2: Now she's an adult preaching hateful and divisive lies.
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Speaker 3: If Israel was anywhere near as evil as Tumberg and
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Speaker 3: her time acclaim, then the Israeli government would just let
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Speaker 3: her land in Gaza and walk into the arms of Hummas.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: The Bush Summit went to Darwin today. A great time
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Speaker 3: of the year to be in the top end, of course,
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Speaker 3: But I had to laugh at the Bush Summit in
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Speaker 3: Ballarat on Friday. I'm in the sight of those John
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Speaker 3: deeas chasing the Prime Minister's motiicate out of town.
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Speaker 2: I thought that was classically Australian. It was like the
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Speaker 2: cult from old regret had got away.
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Speaker 3: Well, more likely the regret of voters was being chased
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Speaker 3: out of town.
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Speaker 2: As long as it is safer. It was very funny.
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Speaker 3: That was baler out of course, the very birthplace of
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Speaker 3: our nation's history of calling authorities to account living up
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Speaker 3: to its heritage there. But there was something Anthony Albaneze
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Speaker 3: he said earlier in the day at the summit that
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Speaker 3: I was watching at home.
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Speaker 2: It made me laugh out loud. He was being heckled.
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Speaker 3: About his government's vandalism of the National Electricity Grid through
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Speaker 3: its reckless rollout of renewables, and he used a swear
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Speaker 3: word to make a very bold claim. Now, if you
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Speaker 3: don't like potty language, well the kids are around, you
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Speaker 3: might want to turn the volume down.
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Speaker 2: Here is what he said.
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Speaker 10: People need to be treated with respect, and that is
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Speaker 10: what I am doing through my presence here, and I'll
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Speaker 10: continue to engage.
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Speaker 1: But I like bullshit people.
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Speaker 3: Now, sure it was stronger language than we usually get
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Speaker 3: from a Prime minister, but that's not why it was funny.
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Speaker 3: Of course, it was funny because it was ridiculously false.
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Speaker 3: It was internal and externally inconsistent.
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Speaker 2: It was bull dust. It was bull dust about not
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Speaker 2: talking bull dust.
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Speaker 3: And I'm sorry I can't shorter your show like years
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Speaker 3: from the PM's language. You're going to hear it again
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Speaker 3: because it deserves a little repetition and examination.
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Speaker 10: But I want bullshit people cutting power bills by two
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Speaker 10: hundred and seventy five dollars by twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 1: But I want bullshit people.
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Speaker 10: I'll build people's living standards up a better future with
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Speaker 10: real plants. To address is the cost.
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Speaker 1: Of living, but I want bullshit people.
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Speaker 10: The cheapest form of new energy is renewables.
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Speaker 1: But I want bullshit people.
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Speaker 10: We have a plan to build one point two million
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Speaker 10: homes by the end of the.
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Speaker 1: Decade, but I want bullshit people.
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Speaker 10: My labor team will work every day to bring Australians
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Speaker 10: together and I will lead a government worthy.
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Speaker 1: Of the people of Australia. But I like bullshit people.
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Speaker 10: You just need your Medicare card, not your credit card.
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Speaker 1: But I like bullshit people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought. So doesn't measure up, does it.
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Speaker 3: There's so much of it, isn't There So much of
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Speaker 3: this stuff getting about, So much of this stuff that
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Speaker 3: Ballarat normally only gets every second Wednesday when it's prime
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Speaker 3: cattle day at the Saleyards. Let's return to the issue
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Speaker 3: of skyrocketing power prices. A report in July found that
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Speaker 3: twenty percent of households one in five households are struggling
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Speaker 3: to pay their energy bills. But it's not a problem
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Speaker 3: for the blokes who run these companies. Take a look
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Speaker 3: at the Adelaide Advertisers front page today. Power CEOs six
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Speaker 3: point seven million dollar payday while we struggle to pay
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Speaker 3: the bills. Origin boss scores a one point two million
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Speaker 3: dollar wage rise. And he's not the only one, with
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Speaker 3: agl's boss getting a five hundred thousand dollars pay rise
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Speaker 3: taking his salary to two point eight million, and Energy
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Speaker 3: Australia's boss receiving a sixteen percent rise to almost two
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Speaker 3: and a half million dollars. I bet none of them
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Speaker 3: have to worry about their power bills. Let's bring in
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Speaker 3: Zoe Hilton, who's the senior energy policy analyst at the
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Speaker 3: Center for Independent Studies.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Zoe.
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Speaker 3: Does it surprise you that the energy companies are doing
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Speaker 3: so well their CEOs are cashing in with all sorts
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Speaker 3: of pay increases.
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Speaker 13: Well, I would say the pay increases for the CEOs
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Speaker 13: are less of a concern for me than the fact
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Speaker 13: that the CEOs are not standing up and telling government
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Speaker 13: that the energy policy that government is trying to do
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Speaker 13: with shoving more and more renewables into the system is
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Speaker 13: not working. We need these CEOs to be standing up
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Speaker 13: and saying these cold generation assets that we've been functioning,
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Speaker 13: that we've had in this grid for years and years
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Speaker 13: and years, that have functioned really well. They have supported
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Speaker 13: our grids. We need them to not be demonized by
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Speaker 13: our government. And that is the real issue here. AGL
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Speaker 13: and Origin. They can pay their CEOs what they like,
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Speaker 13: but the CEOs need to be responsible and they need
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Speaker 13: to act in an honest way. They need to act
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Speaker 13: in a brave way and hold government to account and
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Speaker 13: not be ashamed of the assets that they own in
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Speaker 13: coal and gas generators.
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Speaker 3: But this is the point, though, isn't it. Obviously the
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Speaker 3: system is working well for those companies if they're reaching
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Speaker 3: their profit targets and their CEOs are cashing in, it's
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Speaker 3: working well for the operators, but it's not working well
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Speaker 3: for consumers.
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Speaker 14: This is true.
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Speaker 13: We've seen with Origins deal with the u sol's government.
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Speaker 13: The u so OL's government was very afraid that Origin
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Speaker 13: would close the airing plant, and so they made a
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Speaker 13: deal to extend it for two years. But the coal
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Speaker 13: plant was so profitable because renewables are pushing up electricity
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Speaker 13: prices that Origin actually said, no, we're good, we don't
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Speaker 13: need the government underrating. We're making enough money as it is,
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Speaker 13: and so we are seeing that as electricity prices rise,
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Speaker 13: these companies can make big profits. But the core issue
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Speaker 13: here is not companies making profits. That would be fine.
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Speaker 13: The problem is that people are paying for it. And
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Speaker 13: it's because we have two many renewables coming into the
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Speaker 13: system and we still need all of the backup and
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Speaker 13: more stuff in the system. More generators for the same
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Speaker 13: output means higher prices.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you've effectively got two systems, a renewable one and
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Speaker 3: you have to have virtually one hundred percent backup, and
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Speaker 3: that's how it's playing out.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned the need for that back out.
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Speaker 3: There's been a development in South Australia just last month
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Speaker 3: where they're looking at extending the life of a major
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Speaker 3: gas operator.
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Speaker 2: Of course, South.
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Speaker 3: Australia is where the renewables input is the highest, and
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Speaker 3: the fin Review reported that the South Australian Governor has
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Speaker 3: asked AGL to extend the life of that aging torre
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Speaker 3: Z Island gas generator for another two years because otherwise
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Speaker 3: they're going to have energy risks for the state. They're
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Speaker 3: looking at it to building more interconnectors to plug in
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Speaker 3: to get more energy from Victoria and New.
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Speaker 2: South Wales and then they can shut it down.
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Speaker 3: But that means that's presuming that we've still got enough
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Speaker 3: power on the eastern seaboard. No doubt more taxpayers money
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Speaker 3: will go in this, No doubt there will be more
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Speaker 3: taxpayers dollars subsidizing that gas generator to keep the system afloat.
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Speaker 13: That is definitely a risk that we'rever're concerned about. And
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Speaker 13: the key issue here is that the South Australian government
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Speaker 13: they know what a statewide blackout is, like they had
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Speaker 13: it in twenty sixteen. They know that as they add
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Speaker 13: more and more renewables to the system, it's going to
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Speaker 13: make their system more fragile. And so South Australia, ironically
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Speaker 13: they're actually at the coal face of the energy transition,
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Speaker 13: the punt, but they have the most renewables and they
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Speaker 13: know what it does to the system. And so I
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Speaker 13: think the South Australian Energy Minister he actually is pretty
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Speaker 13: aware of the need for gas, a lot more aware,
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Speaker 13: I would say, than the Victorian Energy Minister or even
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Speaker 13: maybe the federal Energy Minister. And so he has read
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Speaker 13: the Electricity Statement of Opportunities, which is a emo's report
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Speaker 13: that they do every year that looks at reliability and
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Speaker 13: it shows South Australia breaching their reliability standards in twenty
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Speaker 13: twenty six, twenty seven if they don't do anything. So
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Speaker 13: he's seen that and he's gone, okay, well we're going
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Speaker 13: to help. We're going to ask AGL to extend their
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Speaker 13: Torrens Island B gas plant. Whether that will involve underwriting,
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Speaker 13: we'll see what happens. But yeah, but he knows that
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Speaker 13: South Australia needs dispatchable capacity and for them that is gas.
22:42
Speaker 13: And it's the same for all the other states. All
22:43
Speaker 13: the other states need dispatchable capacity in mostly in the
22:46
Speaker 13: form of coal.
22:47
Speaker 3: Where South Australia is at the moment with energy is
22:50
Speaker 3: exactly where the rest of us are heading. They're just
22:51
Speaker 3: a bit further down that track, no doubt about it.
22:53
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining U Zoe Zoey Hilton. They're from the
22:55
Speaker 3: Center for Independent Studies. They're running out of energy secure
22:59
Speaker 3: supplies in South Australia because they've got too many renewables.
23:02
Speaker 3: Looks like they're going to have to extend the life
23:04
Speaker 3: at that major gas plant.
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Speaker 2: Lookout.
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Speaker 3: We're all heading the same way in New South Wales, Victoria,
23:10
Speaker 3: and Queensland as well.
23:11
Speaker 2: They's head to Canberra now and bring in the.
23:13
Speaker 3: Liberal Senator Dave Shama, who's the shadow Assistant Minister for Treasury.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Dave.
23:19
Speaker 3: I want to switch straight to international affairs because we've
23:23
Speaker 3: been seeing these pictures today of the Chinese President Jiji
23:31
Speaker 3: Ping welcoming Vladimir Putin to China, among a lot of
23:34
Speaker 3: other world leaders, including the United Nations Secretary General at
23:39
Speaker 3: Antonio good Terris. And on Wednesday we're going to see
23:43
Speaker 3: Daniel Andrews and Bob Carr turn up there for this
23:47
Speaker 3: love festive authoritarian leaders.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of that?
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Speaker 15: Look, this is a gathering of basically countries that are
23:56
Speaker 15: seeking to overturn the US led globe, of which Australia
24:01
Speaker 15: has been an immense beneficiary over the last eighty years.
24:04
Speaker 15: You know, we support the rules based global or that's
24:06
Speaker 15: been in place since the end of the Second World War.
24:08
Speaker 15: Countries like China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, Ira, North Korea, these
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Speaker 15: are all guests at this gathering.
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Speaker 2: All want to overturn that.
24:17
Speaker 15: And I find it just bizarre that senior Australian office holders,
24:22
Speaker 15: senior Australian labor figures, in Bob Kas's case, the former
24:25
Speaker 15: Australian Foreign Minister are going along to give some sort
24:28
Speaker 15: of Australian blessing or endorsement to that. I mean, this
24:31
Speaker 15: is basically an anti Western gathering, right, and the idea
24:35
Speaker 15: that we've got people in the Cheersquad attending that is
24:37
Speaker 15: just frankly bizarre.
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Speaker 3: It is extraordinary because the last time we saw Bob
24:41
Speaker 3: Carr publicly, he was marching across the Sydney Harbor Bridge
24:45
Speaker 3: in the pro Palestine Planet, pro Palestinian and anti Israeli protests.
24:50
Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts on these protests, because
24:52
Speaker 3: surely we all oppose the extremists all ends of the
24:55
Speaker 3: political spectrum, but when we've seen so many of these
24:59
Speaker 3: anti Israel p have been labor politicians and many Greens,
25:02
Speaker 3: of course, but plenty of labor politicians actually involved in
25:05
Speaker 3: the protests, and they've called them peaceful protests, even though
25:09
Speaker 3: they've called for the elimination of Israel from the river
25:12
Speaker 3: to the sea. They've called for interfada, they've called for
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Speaker 3: death to the IDEF. They've had terrorist banners, they've had
25:18
Speaker 3: the picture of Jaga Simwa there the Ayatola from Iran.
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Speaker 2: They have had all of this yet.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister and other Labor MPs have called these
25:26
Speaker 3: protests peaceful. But yesterday's protest they want to call out
25:30
Speaker 3: as an abomination. What are your views of yesterday's protests
25:34
Speaker 3: and whether it was all about extremism or whether there
25:37
Speaker 3: was any mainstream element involved.
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Speaker 15: Look, I think there's double standards here at work. I mean,
25:45
Speaker 15: I guess I support two principles. You know, one is
25:47
Speaker 15: the right to freedom of expression for him of assembly
25:50
Speaker 15: and the right to protest, including against government policy. But
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Speaker 15: I'm opposed to you know, extremism, waving of terrorist symbols
25:58
Speaker 15: or violations of law, calling death to one group of
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Speaker 15: people or one country. And you know, I think in
26:05
Speaker 15: whether it's the pro Palestinian protests or the so called
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Speaker 15: March of Freedom yesterday, there have been people legitimately exercising
26:12
Speaker 15: their right to free expression, but there have also been
26:14
Speaker 15: undoubtedly extremist elements who've been you know, hijacked those protests,
26:20
Speaker 15: you know.
26:20
Speaker 2: Further their own agenda.
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Speaker 15: And I think we need to be consistent here in
26:23
Speaker 15: calling out the extremism whilst whilst also recognizing that some
26:27
Speaker 15: people on both sides. You know, pro Palestinian or pro
26:30
Speaker 15: Australian flag protests have legitimate reasons to be marching and
26:35
Speaker 15: those rights should be respected.
26:37
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I couldn't agree more.
26:39
Speaker 3: And we've seen that, to be fair, from your side
26:41
Speaker 3: of politics, we've seen people calling out the extremists in
26:43
Speaker 3: those pro Palestine protests and the anti Israel protests and
26:48
Speaker 3: calling out the extremists were about yesterday.
26:50
Speaker 2: But our labor.
26:51
Speaker 3: Masters give a green tick to all that extremism when
26:55
Speaker 3: they're attacking Israel, and they've only condemned the extremism yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Clear double standard.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Dave, I appreciate it, Dave Shama,
27:03
Speaker 3: their Liberal senator for New South Wales and former ambassador
27:06
Speaker 3: to Israel.
27:07
Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break.
27:08
Speaker 3: On the other side of that break, we're going to
27:09
Speaker 3: talk more about these leaders gathering, especially the Chinese and
27:13
Speaker 3: Russian presidents with two dozen other countries in China.
27:16
Speaker 2: How worried should we be about these developments?
27:24
Speaker 10: Now?
27:24
Speaker 3: As I just mentioned, the Chinese president Jijinping has rolled
27:27
Speaker 3: out the red carpet for more than twenty leaders, but
27:30
Speaker 3: importantly including Russia's Vladimir Putin and India's Narenda Modi for
27:35
Speaker 3: this economic summit in China at the moment where trade
27:38
Speaker 3: and tariffs are going to dominate the agenda. Here's the
27:40
Speaker 3: latest from sky News UK.
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Speaker 14: At a fractious time for the world, this was quite
27:47
Speaker 14: the statement. A collection of powers convened by China, part
27:53
Speaker 14: of what sum are calling a new axis of upheaval.
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Speaker 14: Leaders lined up to Greek President she twenty six in
28:03
Speaker 14: total perfectly, but there was no question about who was
28:09
Speaker 14: the guest of honor here. Vladimir Putin got a lingering conversation,
28:16
Speaker 14: a right hand position for the pictures. Putin's presence will
28:20
Speaker 14: be the headline grabber here. His war in Ukraine drags on,
28:24
Speaker 14: so does his reluctance to make peace. China clearly still
28:29
Speaker 14: has his back.
28:31
Speaker 3: Let's go to Peter Jennings from Strategic Analysis Australia.
28:34
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you.
28:35
Speaker 3: Again, Peter, tell us about this China Russia axis seems
28:39
Speaker 3: to be a roadblock when it comes to resolving the
28:41
Speaker 3: situation in Ukraine? Is this a bad sign the closeness
28:45
Speaker 3: we're seeing at the moment.
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Speaker 16: Yes, it isn't a good sign because it's the most
28:51
Speaker 16: effective level of cooperation that has existed between China and
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Speaker 16: Russia probably.
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Speaker 1: For thirty or more years.
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Speaker 16: Chris, the Chinese Foreign Minister, told some EU counterparts just
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Speaker 16: a few weeks ago that China couldn't afford to let
29:06
Speaker 16: Russia lose the Ukraine War because they wanted to see
29:09
Speaker 16: America continued to be distracted by that and not putting
29:12
Speaker 16: its attention onto the Pacific region. So Russia and China
29:18
Speaker 16: closer than ever. You've then got a sort of an
29:20
Speaker 16: outer ring of pretty unpleasant countries such as Iran and
29:24
Speaker 16: North Korea, where frankly, they know what side their bread
29:28
Speaker 16: is buttered on. They want to be close to China
29:32
Speaker 16: and Russia if they can. And then I think probably
29:35
Speaker 16: the most surprising guest at this gathering was Mirandra.
29:40
Speaker 2: Modi from India.
29:42
Speaker 16: And of course a lot of the commentary is saying, well,
29:44
Speaker 16: that's because India is sulking right now because of the
29:46
Speaker 16: high tariffs which the Trump administration has put on Indian exports.
29:53
Speaker 2: To they feel like a.
29:54
Speaker 3: Yes, just because India doesn't match this concern when it
29:59
Speaker 3: comes to to strategic global strategic interest right now, India
30:03
Speaker 3: is not going to look surely at dealing with China
30:05
Speaker 3: when it comes to sort of defense and strategic out look.
30:08
Speaker 3: It's got its own enmities there. I suppose it's certainly
30:12
Speaker 3: its own sensitivities. But India would be very interested in
30:15
Speaker 3: trying to hit back at the US over trade wars.
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Speaker 16: Right, it's a shot across the bows. It's a sort
30:22
Speaker 16: of a warning shot to Washington, d C. To say,
30:24
Speaker 16: don't get too clever. You know, if you want us
30:26
Speaker 16: to cooperate with you, you need to help us on
30:29
Speaker 16: this tariff arrangement. And frankly, that's a good message, Chris.
30:33
Speaker 16: You know, there's a lot of good things that the
30:35
Speaker 16: Trump administration has done, frankly, but they're at their worst
30:40
Speaker 16: point when they are attacking friends and allies, because American
30:44
Speaker 16: needs friends and allies, and it would be far better
30:47
Speaker 16: to have India in the camp of the democracies than
30:50
Speaker 16: lining up with the likes of Russia and North Korea
30:52
Speaker 16: and Iran.
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Speaker 2: Yes, spot on.
30:54
Speaker 3: Just when we're talking about to Ukraine, there's been a
30:57
Speaker 3: local development that could be related, a car round rating
31:00
Speaker 3: through the Russian consulate in Sydney today. Does that tell
31:04
Speaker 3: us that there obviously tensions being reflected domestically.
31:10
Speaker 16: I'm not sure what it tells us an over enthusiastic
31:14
Speaker 16: Uber Eats delivery Chris Mavy or someone that wanted asylum,
31:18
Speaker 16: or someone that was wanting to stage a protest. We
31:22
Speaker 16: don't have clarity around what it is, but it's interesting
31:26
Speaker 16: that bad news constantly traps US after that consulate in Sydney,
31:31
Speaker 16: and so I think we just need to keep watching
31:33
Speaker 16: it to see what happens.
31:34
Speaker 2: Indeed, I just want to get your thoughts.
31:36
Speaker 3: Also, of course, the Israelis have hit the Huti's hard
31:39
Speaker 3: in Yem and got a lot of their leadership.
31:41
Speaker 2: This is surely a good thing for regional security.
31:44
Speaker 3: Another case of Israel getting the people who are destabilizing
31:48
Speaker 3: the region, yet our government not saying much about it.
31:54
Speaker 16: Yes, I mean Israel continues to do what the democratic
31:58
Speaker 16: countries need it to do, which is to go after
32:01
Speaker 16: those terrorist proxies supported by Iran. And of course they've
32:05
Speaker 16: done very effective jobs of that, particularly with Hezbollah and
32:08
Speaker 16: killing off a significant number of the Hamas leadership. If
32:11
Speaker 16: they're able to degrade the Huti leadership, well that means
32:15
Speaker 16: to say, less attacks on shipping going through the Red Sea,
32:19
Speaker 16: and we all benefit from that. Europe benefits, the United
32:22
Speaker 16: States benefits. So once again Israel is helping, even though
32:27
Speaker 16: they get a little credit for that. It would seem
32:29
Speaker 16: from many democracies at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, thanks for joining us, Peter. I appreciate that.
32:34
Speaker 2: Peter Jennings there joining us from Canberra. We're going to
32:37
Speaker 2: get to a break.
32:37
Speaker 3: On the other side of the break, we'll go to
32:38
Speaker 3: the UK catch up with Sophie Ellsworth, as we.
32:40
Speaker 2: Do every Monday.
32:41
Speaker 3: I want to get the latest on the immigration crisis
32:44
Speaker 3: in the UK. I had my say at the top
32:51
Speaker 3: of the show about activist Greta Tunberg's float tiller of
32:53
Speaker 3: misinformation setting sail for Gaza again. She spoke with the
32:57
Speaker 3: media before her departure and she was asked if she
33:00
Speaker 3: had a message for from us.
33:02
Speaker 9: He is some of her response, there is a genocide
33:06
Speaker 9: going on. Palestinas have been living under suffocating oppression and
33:11
Speaker 9: when there's an occupational force this is not my views.
33:14
Speaker 9: By international law, people have a right to resist that
33:19
Speaker 9: occupation and again I do not stand behind killing civilians.
33:25
Speaker 10: But but but what Let me go to.
33:30
Speaker 3: Sophie Ellsworth, News Corp Correspondence, Sky and News contributor joining
33:34
Speaker 3: us live from the UK. Good to talk to you again, Sophia.
33:36
Speaker 3: This is extraordinary, is but we.
33:38
Speaker 2: Don't kill civilians.
33:40
Speaker 3: But she talks about the right to resist, and there's
33:43
Speaker 3: just such a shocking, sickening and both intellectually and morally
33:48
Speaker 3: vapid argument to be trying to make.
33:49
Speaker 2: But it's going to be made all around the world
33:51
Speaker 2: for the next little while.
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Speaker 17: Well, Chris, I will say that Greta Filmberg certainly knows
33:57
Speaker 17: how to draw international met attention.
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Speaker 6: She's extremely good at that.
34:03
Speaker 17: All the media are watching her as she has left
34:06
Speaker 17: Spain one way to Israel, but some of the messaging
34:10
Speaker 17: there didn't seem very clear and concise, Chris, But she's
34:15
Speaker 17: certainly making a mark here, and Israel has said there
34:19
Speaker 17: has been comments overnight that she could be arrested if
34:23
Speaker 17: she does arrive there, which is similar to what happened
34:27
Speaker 17: when she tried to do the same thing in June.
34:30
Speaker 17: So she's definitely drawing a lot of attention doing this
34:34
Speaker 17: voyage across to Israel.
34:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was detained and then deported during a relatively
34:40
Speaker 3: brief period last time. Is there any suggestion that her
34:43
Speaker 3: arrest and detainment could actually be longer this time as
34:47
Speaker 3: a repeat offender?
34:50
Speaker 6: Well, who knows, Chris.
34:51
Speaker 17: I mean, she hasn't got there yet, She's got quite
34:53
Speaker 17: a journey to go. But certainly Israel's made it very
34:57
Speaker 17: clear that they're not happy about this and the full
35:00
Speaker 17: force of the law will be applied. So that doesn't
35:04
Speaker 17: seem to dedu her and the activist who are on
35:07
Speaker 17: board and on their way to Israel at the moment.
35:10
Speaker 3: Chris, bring it back to the UK then, and the
35:13
Speaker 3: immigration crisis there. We spoke to you last week about
35:15
Speaker 3: those protests about the asylum seekers or refugees in hotels,
35:20
Speaker 3: but the government's won the right to keep going with
35:22
Speaker 3: that program they have.
35:25
Speaker 17: Indeed, Chris, there was a Court of Appeal hearing on Friday,
35:28
Speaker 17: highly anticipated court hearing, and the three judges determined that
35:34
Speaker 17: the temporary injunction that would see the eviction of these
35:38
Speaker 17: asylum seekers from a hotel in Epping has been overturned,
35:42
Speaker 17: so they can now stay in this residence. But the
35:45
Speaker 17: court process is not over. There's another court hearing regarding
35:49
Speaker 17: this in October. But it's certainly drawing a lot of
35:52
Speaker 17: attention and Chris has been protests all over the UK.
35:57
Speaker 17: Many people angry about these asylum hotels and just in
36:01
Speaker 17: the newspapers. Today the Home Secretary here at VTT Cooper
36:05
Speaker 17: is set to deliver a speech in the House of
36:07
Speaker 17: Commons where she says that the Labor government will get
36:10
Speaker 17: tougher on asylum seekers and introduce measures such as ensuring
36:15
Speaker 17: they can speak English and that the processing of asylum
36:18
Speaker 17: seekers is quicker. This is a red hot issue, Chris,
36:21
Speaker 17: and arguably the hottest issue here in the UK right now.
36:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating and it's not going to go away.
36:29
Speaker 3: We know we've seen this story before that they have
36:31
Speaker 3: to stop illegal immigration.
36:33
Speaker 2: But that's very easy to say. It's very very difficult
36:36
Speaker 2: to do, is it to Sophie. We will see what
36:38
Speaker 2: measures they can come up with. I want to go
36:40
Speaker 2: back to.
36:40
Speaker 3: Protests against Israel, and there's been an ugly incident involving
36:45
Speaker 3: the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra actually in London at the Albert
36:49
Speaker 3: Hall where a performance was interrupted.
36:50
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at that.
37:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, just what you want when you go and see
37:05
Speaker 3: a symphony orchestra play, isn't it some rabid protest.
37:09
Speaker 2: Interrupting the whole thing?
37:10
Speaker 3: What's been the fallout and the response in London safety?
37:16
Speaker 17: So this took place at the Royal Albert Hall, a
37:19
Speaker 17: famous venue here in South Kensington on Friday night. Chris
37:24
Speaker 17: Palestinian activisms activists not happy with the situation in Gaza
37:30
Speaker 17: and the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra who they were annoyed that
37:36
Speaker 17: the Melbourne syn Symphony Orchestra canceled a performance by penist
37:42
Speaker 17: Jason Gillen last year who's subsequently taken court action. So yes,
37:46
Speaker 17: they did disrupt this proceeding on Friday night. They got
37:51
Speaker 17: the attention they wanted. They're angry with the situation and
37:54
Speaker 17: they said that the MSO is getting funding from Israeli
37:59
Speaker 17: sources and they're not happy about that. So they took
38:02
Speaker 17: their activism to the venue and disrupted the proceedings Chris,
38:06
Speaker 17: which is disappointing. Everyone should be allowed to protest, but
38:10
Speaker 17: really up the oupeval course to this was totally unnecessary.
38:14
Speaker 3: Yes, it's just not on. They're so arrogant. They're ignorant
38:17
Speaker 3: and arrogant, and they won't pay a decent price for it.
38:20
Speaker 3: They'll just slap on the wrist and off they go again.
38:22
Speaker 3: But okah sah, thanks for joining us, Sophie appreciate it.
38:26
Speaker 2: Sofiel's worth there in London. For us, we've got to
38:29
Speaker 2: get to a break.
38:30
Speaker 3: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
38:31
Speaker 3: Gematon Union Caroline Durus, so we're going to sort out
38:33
Speaker 3: the problems of the world.
38:34
Speaker 2: As usual. I always like to kick off the week.
38:41
Speaker 3: With a decent chat with Gematon UNI from GT Communications
38:44
Speaker 3: joining us from Melbourne tonight. Also Caroline Durus so we'll
38:47
Speaker 3: join us from Perth and Gema. These power companies have
38:51
Speaker 3: got to nerve heaven they I mean, the price increases
38:54
Speaker 3: that people have been stuck with while government's promise them,
38:58
Speaker 3: the promise us they're going to go down, and then
39:00
Speaker 3: they announce all these CEO pay rises.
39:03
Speaker 2: They're going to tin ear at the very least, haven't they.
39:07
Speaker 18: Well it's extraordinary, Chris, because as you say, cost of
39:09
Speaker 18: living crisis, one of the biggest causes of the cost
39:12
Speaker 18: of living crisis is the cost of power. And we
39:15
Speaker 18: saw inflation figures last week which were directly impacted by
39:18
Speaker 18: the removal of subsidies for the cost of power.
39:21
Speaker 2: So I would have.
39:22
Speaker 18: Thought this would not be the environment in which executives
39:26
Speaker 18: were given significant pay rises and for what for example,
39:31
Speaker 18: like what are they based on what metric are they
39:33
Speaker 18: based on. And it also falls into the bucket of
39:35
Speaker 18: just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you
39:37
Speaker 18: should do something. So I wonder what the next step
39:41
Speaker 18: will be here and the unpicking of these decisions. The
39:45
Speaker 18: pub test obviously it doesn't pass that, but I think
39:47
Speaker 18: it goes deeper than that. And that's the whole power
39:51
Speaker 18: market and how it plays out in this country and
39:54
Speaker 18: how consumers really are sort of locked into this intractable,
39:58
Speaker 18: in transient set of circumstances that they don't seem to
40:01
Speaker 18: have any agency in.
40:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, no agency whatsoever except change suppliers. I suppose let's
40:06
Speaker 3: go to Carolinder also in Perth, where the power crisis
40:10
Speaker 3: is so bad that we can't fire up the screen
40:13
Speaker 3: behind it. That good to have you on board anyway, Caro.
40:18
Speaker 3: The point here is that it also highlights the fact
40:21
Speaker 3: that this energy market, if for one of a better word,
40:24
Speaker 3: because there's so many government interventions in it. But the
40:26
Speaker 3: market's obviously working well for the companies. They're making profits
40:30
Speaker 3: and sharing that money around their executives, but it's not
40:32
Speaker 3: working well for consumers.
40:36
Speaker 8: Well, it's not working well for consumers, but the execs
40:40
Speaker 8: here of line themselves up a bit this here is
40:42
Speaker 8: a bit of an exercise in self harm because when
40:44
Speaker 8: you really think, I mean, look it's the private sector,
40:48
Speaker 8: and yes, of course they're public companies and remuneration goes
40:52
Speaker 8: to agms for a.
40:53
Speaker 6: Vote and all that sort of thing.
40:55
Speaker 8: But ultimately these are not even necessarily Chris, the most
40:58
Speaker 8: highest the whole I paid execs in the country. But
41:02
Speaker 8: when you have a cost of living crisis like this,
41:05
Speaker 8: they are setting themselves up to be the bad guy
41:07
Speaker 8: and almost giving.
41:08
Speaker 6: All these governments cover for their really poor policy.
41:12
Speaker 8: And this is actually where it gets back to Chris,
41:15
Speaker 8: is that you know, if you were one of these execs,
41:17
Speaker 8: you'd be like, look, you know what, maybe I could
41:19
Speaker 8: cope on three million a year and I would put
41:22
Speaker 8: the governments in the firing line for their really, really poor.
41:25
Speaker 6: Policy instead of giving yourself this pay rise.
41:29
Speaker 8: And then you get these mouth breathers from the Australian
41:32
Speaker 8: Institute and the like then go and line up the
41:34
Speaker 8: executives as if they're rues who are solely at fault
41:38
Speaker 8: for where we are on pricing.
41:39
Speaker 2: Well, not the people on this program or watching this program.
41:42
Speaker 2: We know who's to blame, and it's Chris Bowen.
41:44
Speaker 3: And Anthony Albnizi, and we've got to keep it and
41:47
Speaker 3: the teals and the Greens, and we've.
41:49
Speaker 2: Got to keep their feet to the fire.
41:51
Speaker 3: Let's go to the work from home debate, Jemmy, because
41:53
Speaker 3: it's getting interesting here.
41:55
Speaker 2: People are actually starting.
41:56
Speaker 3: To speak up ie businesses, major businesses who need people
42:00
Speaker 3: turning up, like the retail industry, and they're just asking
42:04
Speaker 3: up about the you know, just Cinda Allen and everybody
42:06
Speaker 3: playing politics with this, trying to be mister and missus popularity,
42:10
Speaker 3: when what we actually need in this country is guess
42:13
Speaker 3: what productivity people turning up.
42:17
Speaker 18: I mean, it was such a tremendous thing to finally
42:20
Speaker 18: see some of these major major employers come out and
42:23
Speaker 18: say it's not workable. It's not workable for a variety
42:26
Speaker 18: of reasons.
42:27
Speaker 6: If you work in.
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Speaker 18: The in the storeroom or the back end of a
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Speaker 18: business like Bunnings or Calls or Woolworths, if you're in
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Speaker 18: a call center, if you're in anything that is operational
42:39
Speaker 18: or twenty four to seven. You might be in for example,
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Speaker 18: you know, you know, energy provision, that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 18: You might be a crew that kind of thing where
42:48
Speaker 18: you don't actually have the luxury of it. Like I
42:51
Speaker 18: used to work, as you know Chris in TV news.
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Speaker 18: I mean, good luck working from home two days a week.
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Speaker 18: If you're in a TV newsroom or a radio newsroom
42:57
Speaker 18: or a print newsroom, probably easier. But my point is
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Speaker 18: that this is just a nonsense policy from a government
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Speaker 18: that is consistently and systemically eroding what's left of the
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Speaker 18: state of Victoria. My genuine question in Caroline might be
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Speaker 18: able to touch on this being a lawyer, is there
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Speaker 18: any do they actually have the legal precedent to bring
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Speaker 18: this into play because it's a direct interference with the
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Speaker 18: way that a private enterprise can work. And it's not
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Speaker 18: about employer welfare, it's not about safety. It's actually about ideology.
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Speaker 18: And I wonder if there's a legal challenge lurking in
43:36
Speaker 18: the background here.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more overreached by government into how private enterprises operate.
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Speaker 3: To Caroline, the other angle of this is that for
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Speaker 3: politicians to push back on this, it's almost impossible.
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Speaker 2: You get screened out as being anti worker.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's exactly right.
43:54
Speaker 8: And to Jem's point, my understanding is she's trying to
43:56
Speaker 8: use like the equal opportunity some other obscure sort of
43:59
Speaker 8: act because the ability to legislate for ir they've basically
44:05
Speaker 8: handed that over to the feds, and that's why a
44:07
Speaker 8: lot of this stuff is covered by federal legislation as
44:09
Speaker 8: opposed to state legislation.
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Speaker 6: But you're right there, Chris. But then equally, people also
44:15
Speaker 6: have to be careful. You know, it's a little bit
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Speaker 6: of be careful what you wish for, because everyone's like ill.
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Speaker 8: Work from home is fabulous, But then watch people winge
44:25
Speaker 8: when they go to Bunnings, and you've basically got to
44:27
Speaker 8: be an exotic bird watcher to be able to try
44:29
Speaker 8: and find someone to help you.
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Speaker 6: So don't let go and.
44:32
Speaker 8: Complain when you know there's not as many people in
44:35
Speaker 8: store to help out, and all of those sorts of things.
44:38
Speaker 6: Because there's two sides to this coin. And what has
44:41
Speaker 6: been interesting.
44:41
Speaker 8: About what these CEOs have said, and particularly some like
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Speaker 8: West Farmers, and I think it was West Farmers, ninety
44:50
Speaker 8: percent of their staff are.
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Speaker 6: Operational, floor warehouse all of that sort of thing. So
44:56
Speaker 6: it is a real hands on sort of business.
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Speaker 8: And the simple fact of the matter, and they keep saying,
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Speaker 8: is this is not for governments to interfere.
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Speaker 6: This here is a matter that's for the business, for
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Speaker 6: their employees, and that that's the fundamental point should stay.
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Speaker 2: That is the fundamental point.
45:12
Speaker 3: Let me go to some another area of ridiculous overreach
45:16
Speaker 3: by government. You always got to have a look at
45:18
Speaker 3: these academic grants. They always blow us away. It's our money,
45:22
Speaker 3: mind you. So look at some of these examples that
45:24
Speaker 3: have been highlighted. Monash University a one point one million
45:27
Speaker 3: dollar gram for a study to understanding the techno politics
45:32
Speaker 3: of climate risk governance. Now you've already written extensively on
45:36
Speaker 3: that topic, haven't you, Jemma, no need for any more.
45:42
Speaker 18: You sort of look at the broader purpose of higher
45:45
Speaker 18: education and this doesn't seem to have anything to do
45:48
Speaker 18: with Harry. I mean, it's so niche. You know social
45:50
Speaker 18: media posts about climate change? Will they say only twenty
45:53
Speaker 18: five percent of the greater population is even on some
45:55
Speaker 18: sort of social media. These are personal hobby horses being
46:00
Speaker 18: pushed by various parts of academia. And I think, personally,
46:03
Speaker 18: I've thought it's a great thing to see a little
46:06
Speaker 18: bit of a blow torch under the belly of academia
46:09
Speaker 18: in this country. I don't believe they're delivering value, and
46:13
Speaker 18: employers tell you, and I can tell you myself as
46:15
Speaker 18: an employee when we were interviewing for a grad a
46:17
Speaker 18: couple of years ago, it took us a very, very
46:20
Speaker 18: long time to find and we did find an exceptional
46:23
Speaker 18: young woman, but we went through a lot of grads,
46:25
Speaker 18: some who looked outstanding on paper but could not make
46:29
Speaker 18: it through an initial fifteen minute interview. And I mean,
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Speaker 18: I've been employing people for twenty two years.
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Speaker 1: It was bad.
46:36
Speaker 18: So perhaps ease up on the flip flop nonsense that
46:40
Speaker 18: that article showed us and start going back to basics.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, back to the basics would be useful because it
46:48
Speaker 3: ain't working what they're doing at the moment, and it
46:50
Speaker 3: is wasting money. Let's have a look a couple of
46:52
Speaker 3: these other examples. I think one was up there on
46:54
Speaker 3: screen there from Macquarie University at one point two million
46:57
Speaker 3: dollars analyzing social media posts about global warming, and then
47:01
Speaker 3: uts in Sydney are nearly half a million dollars for
47:04
Speaker 3: assessing capacity for gender responsive lawmaking and quantitative gender auditing.
47:10
Speaker 2: This stuff is completely useless.
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Speaker 8: Carrot, it is, and I feel like some of the
47:18
Speaker 8: titles are so obscure to make the rest of us
47:21
Speaker 8: feel like we're stupid and we don't understand how intelligent
47:24
Speaker 8: they're working. But I actually don't think it's us. I
47:27
Speaker 8: just think it's garbage. It is an absolute waste of money.
47:31
Speaker 8: And if you talk to people generally across the board,
47:35
Speaker 8: people think things like research and development is really important.
47:38
Speaker 8: People think things like research is really important. People think
47:41
Speaker 8: that higher education is really important. The problem is is
47:45
Speaker 8: there has to be substance under it, and a lot
47:48
Speaker 8: of this stuff, like Jemma said, it's very niche or
47:50
Speaker 8: it's just total rubbish, or I'm sure it's interesting for
47:55
Speaker 8: a bit of personal titillation and the like, but ultimately,
47:58
Speaker 8: if the tax payer is paying for the there needs
48:00
Speaker 8: to be a dividend.
48:02
Speaker 3: Now, I won't catch up with you, Jemma before Thursday
48:06
Speaker 3: night when my beloved Adelaide Crows take on your Collingwood.
48:10
Speaker 3: You and I both spoke at a Jewish synagogue, a synagogue.
48:14
Speaker 2: In Melbourne last night.
48:15
Speaker 3: Now, as you know, I was given this wonderful Adelaide
48:18
Speaker 3: Crows kipper, so I'm ready to go. I won't be
48:21
Speaker 3: so disrespectful as to wear that here on air, but
48:24
Speaker 3: I wore it at the synagogue, so good luck to
48:26
Speaker 3: my crows and bad luck to your magpies. We'll catch
48:29
Speaker 3: you next week, Jemma, Gemma carry I'll.
48:33
Speaker 2: Cut you off there.
48:34
Speaker 6: I still love you, c k I still love you.
48:37
Speaker 2: Gema's on NiTi there in Carolinder.
48:39
Speaker 3: So just a little bit of time to squeeze in
48:41
Speaker 3: some more of your comments about the situation in the
48:43
Speaker 3: Middle East. You can email us at Kenny Report at
48:46
Speaker 3: skynews dot com dot au on this stuff. Kathy and
48:49
Speaker 3: Ian say, thank you so much for your truth, for
48:51
Speaker 3: reporting on the disgusting rallies that are taking place in Australia.
48:55
Speaker 3: How can we get the truth out to Australians. Why
48:58
Speaker 3: can't these people see they are being lied to and manipulated?
49:02
Speaker 3: Thank you and thank your colleagues. We support you and Israel.
49:07
Speaker 3: And then another viewer says, are you aware that the
49:09
Speaker 3: ABC calls humas militants? Doesn't like the word terrorists out
49:14
Speaker 3: very ABC. That's all for me tonight, but she's back.
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Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin joins you. Next