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Missing Mollie Tibbetts: Did Iowa college student vanish during evening jog? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Triumph Channel one thirty You and excruciating search as we
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  Speaker 1: are listening now for a gorgeous young Iowa College sophomore
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  Speaker 1: who vanishes when she goes jogging in her own neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: Where is Molly right now? We are calling out to
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  Speaker 1: you to help us bring Molly home. I Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Molly goes missing on a regular jog. How many times
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  Speaker 1: have all of us gone out for a walk, out
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  Speaker 1: for a jog without any question that in forty minutes
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  Speaker 1: an hour would be back home. How many times if
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  Speaker 1: I love my twins to go jogging, never thinking I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be back to them? Straight out? Now to Chuck Roberts,
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Chuck, let's start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about Molly Tibbitt's going to jog. Well, she
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  Speaker 1: went out late Wednesday evening. She was staying at the
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  Speaker 1: house of her boyfriend and her boyfriend's brother, sort of
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  Speaker 1: dog sitting during the summer. She had a job about
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  Speaker 1: thirty miles away, and she went out for a jog
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  Speaker 1: after texting her mom and after snapchatting her boyfriend and
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  Speaker 1: has not been seen since. This is late Wednesday night
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  Speaker 1: in a town called Brooklyn, Iowa. It's about an hour
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  Speaker 1: east of Des Moines, a little west of Iowa City.
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  Speaker 1: She's a college student in Iowa City. UH and UH
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  Speaker 1: searchers have tried everything they know. Two D fifty searchers
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  Speaker 1: went out. They've been door to door searchers. Every farm
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  Speaker 1: building has been checked. Even kayakers searched miles along the
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  Speaker 1: small rivers on both sides of the town. No sign
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  Speaker 1: of Molly. She apparently left with her cell phone, but
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  Speaker 1: all calls to her cell phone immediately go to voicemail,
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  Speaker 1: so it's either dead or it's been turned off. She
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  Speaker 1: left her I D and her car keys at home,
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  Speaker 1: and she left her glasses and her boyfriend, who was
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  Speaker 1: not home. He's working in Dubuque about two hours away.
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  Speaker 1: Said that she also left her lass and she can't
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  Speaker 1: see anything without her glasses. So wait a minute, right there.
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  Speaker 1: That's giving me pause for concern, because if she can't
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  Speaker 1: see anything without her glasses, how can she go jogging
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  Speaker 1: without her glasses? I want to make sure she actually
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  Speaker 1: left that apartment. Let me ask you a series of
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  Speaker 1: rapid fire cross examination questions, Chuck Roberts, Are we sure
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  Speaker 1: the boyfriend was in debue at the time she gets missing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have confirmation, but he has a job in Dubuque,
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  Speaker 1: and apparently everyone the sheriff would have said if he
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  Speaker 1: didn't show up for work, You're right he left her
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  Speaker 1: as a yes, So he left her on a Monday
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  Speaker 1: m Monday, so he has to travel to work and
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  Speaker 1: stay away from home. It's a summer job. He's a
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  Speaker 1: construction worker in Dubuque, which is on the Mrs. Eppe River,
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  Speaker 1: about two hours east of Brooklyn. He lives in Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 1: which is on I for me, let me just try
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  Speaker 1: to rephrase this in a capsule. This is what I'm understanding.
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  Speaker 1: The boyfriend worked out of town and was away. He
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  Speaker 1: was not coming at home every night from his job.
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  Speaker 1: He would go away and stay away to work, and
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  Speaker 1: then I guess come home. I guess on weekends. Is
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  Speaker 1: that right, Chuck. I don't know that he was coming
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  Speaker 1: home on weekends, but you're right. She stayed alone at
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  Speaker 1: the house. Okay, that's all I need to hear right now.
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  Speaker 1: The boyfriend's brother, do we know where he was at
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  Speaker 1: the time she goes missing. I have not been able
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  Speaker 1: to determine, but he was not at home, and she
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  Speaker 1: was sort of dog sitting. She was all alone and
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  Speaker 1: the house dog sitting her. Her boyfriend's brother was about
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  Speaker 1: to get married and they were all to fly to
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  Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic in three weeks in early August, uh
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  Speaker 1: for the wedding destination wedding. I got it right now.
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  Speaker 1: I love hearing about weddings, I really really do. But
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  Speaker 1: what I'm interested in right now is this timeline. So
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  Speaker 1: with me is Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Chuck Roberts.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go to a very special guest joining
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  Speaker 1: me right now. It's Phil the Toronto. We all know
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  Speaker 1: that name. For months I covered the case of his
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  Speaker 1: beautiful daughter, Karina Va Toronto. She had gone out jogging.
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  Speaker 1: She asked her dad to go with her. He always
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  Speaker 1: jogged with her, just like my dad always worked out
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  Speaker 1: with me. Phil, I've told you that story, or let
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  Speaker 1: me say I worked out with him and that day,
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  Speaker 1: that evening, he was having an ailment. I can't recall
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  Speaker 1: us your leg or your back, and that one time
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  Speaker 1: you didn't go. An hour passes. He knows something is wrong,
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  Speaker 1: something's wrong. He tries her cell phone. Fields father's instinct
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  Speaker 1: was right. Karina had been attacked twil jogging and right
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  Speaker 1: now we are awaiting the trial of her killer. Phil,
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  Speaker 1: please explain why a timeline is so important to find
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  Speaker 1: the mission? You know, the either still alive or not
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  Speaker 1: you still alive. It's critical, you know, in the beginning
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  Speaker 1: to mount up the largest search who possibly can. And
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  Speaker 1: I was I'm gonna say lucky enough, but you know
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  Speaker 1: I'm not lucky in the situation. But I was lucky
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  Speaker 1: enough to start my search within a half hour and
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  Speaker 1: we found her four hours later. But between that half
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  Speaker 1: hour and that, for our period, I knew she was
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  Speaker 1: no longer with us. I knew that. Um, it seems
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  Speaker 1: like they're doing everything they can as far as searching
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  Speaker 1: for her in the area where she was living. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't get a good feeling about Molly being alive.
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  Speaker 1: I don't you know, Phil, You're so right regarding how
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  Speaker 1: you start the search. For instance, right now I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out and there is no none at all,
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  Speaker 1: no suggestion the boyfriend or the boyfriend's brother is involved
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  Speaker 1: in her disappearance. But that's how you start an investigation
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  Speaker 1: with me. Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of investigation
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  Speaker 1: discoveries hit series Fatal Vows. Brian, that's how every investigation starts.
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  Speaker 1: You start with who you're closest to, who you're living
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  Speaker 1: with at the time, who has access to you. That's
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  Speaker 1: why you have to rule out the boyfriend and the
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend's brother because that was their place. She was just
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  Speaker 1: their dog. Setting again, they are not under suspicion. And
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  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, I've got to determine how we know
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  Speaker 1: she ever made it out of the house to go jogging,
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  Speaker 1: because am I looking at the home as a potential
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  Speaker 1: crime scene or am I looking at the jogging route
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  Speaker 1: as a potential crime scene? Because that makes a world
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  Speaker 1: of difference. Brian, Well, that's absolutely right, And people who
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  Speaker 1: don't necessarily listen to your show regularly or watch Fatal
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  Speaker 1: Vows on Investigation Discovery may not know that. They may
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  Speaker 1: believe that when someone goes missing in a situation like this,
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  Speaker 1: it's more likely to be a stranger that's the perpetrator,
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  Speaker 1: when statistically speaking, it's actually more likely to be somebody
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  Speaker 1: with whom the victim has had prior contact. So you're
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  Speaker 1: absolutely right that you want to begin with the people
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  Speaker 1: who are closest to the person and work your way
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  Speaker 1: out to uh this the stranger possibility. The other thing
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  Speaker 1: that I would point out here is that often in
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  Speaker 1: these cases, at this point, at the risk of being
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  Speaker 1: labeled a victim blamer, I'm able to sit here and say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: for those who are fortunate enough to have not ever
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  Speaker 1: been in a situation like this. Here are some lessons
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  Speaker 1: to be learned from this about things that the victim
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  Speaker 1: or potential victim could have done differently, maybe to have
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  Speaker 1: kept themselves safer. And in this case, so far, we
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  Speaker 1: don't really have anything, you know what. We often, unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: see these cases where the young woman maybe met somebody,
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  Speaker 1: uh and and you know, went home with them alone
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  Speaker 1: when they didn't know them very well and it turned
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  Speaker 1: out to be a sex offender, or they walked home
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  Speaker 1: late at night by themselves in a dangerous area or something. Again,
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  Speaker 1: never blaming the victim, but just trying to glean lessons
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  Speaker 1: for other people to have anybody, I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't We don't have That's what I'm saying. We don't
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  Speaker 1: have anything at this point that I can point out
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  Speaker 1: to you that that apparently, uh, this girl did that
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  Speaker 1: was out of the or I got a conflict in
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  Speaker 1: the evidence. And I'm having a failure to launch right
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  Speaker 1: here because the boyfriend says that and correct me if
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  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Chuck, because this is all unfolding right now.
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  Speaker 1: That he got a routine good night text around ten pm. Now,
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  Speaker 1: is that the night she goes missing, Chuck? Because if
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  Speaker 1: she texted him good night, then she went jogging after that?
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  Speaker 1: Or had she already been jogging when she sent the text? No,
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  Speaker 1: it was she texted her mother about seven pm. Then
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  Speaker 1: at ten pm Wednesday night, he opens a snapchat message
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  Speaker 1: from her. It's not that she sent it at ten pm.
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  Speaker 1: That's when he opened it, and that's the last communication
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  Speaker 1: that he had with her. But it wasn't a live interaction.
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  Speaker 1: He simply opened a snapchat when he got at some
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  Speaker 1: point where he could do that. Well, if the snapchat
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  Speaker 1: is saying good night, are you telling me regarding the
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  Speaker 1: timeline that she went jogging after that? Why would she
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  Speaker 1: say good night if she hadn't already been jogging. I
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  Speaker 1: think she may have sent it as early as seven pm,
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  Speaker 1: and he simply didn't open it until ten p m.
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  Speaker 1: That would be okay. Maybe I'm not making myself clear,
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  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. I think it's me Vincent Hill with me
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  Speaker 1: former Nashville p D now private investigator. What I'm saying is,
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  Speaker 1: did she really go jogging? Are we sure? And this
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  Speaker 1: is the reason I ask I'm not just accepting any
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  Speaker 1: fact until I know it. Why would she send him
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  Speaker 1: good night before she goes jogging? And she's not going
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  Speaker 1: to bed. That doesn't make sense to me. You right,
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  Speaker 1: good night when you're going to bed, right, Yeah, that's right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: And there's so many other red flags too. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the boyfriend sinks she was missing without her glasses that
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  Speaker 1: you can't see. You would assume she would have those glasses,
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  Speaker 1: and while she's jogging, especially if it maybe late at
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  Speaker 1: night or early in the morning when it still maybe
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  Speaker 1: dark out. So there's so many red flags with this
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  Speaker 1: case going on right now. And the fact that her
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  Speaker 1: phone has essentially gone dead. I think this was something
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  Speaker 1: of a crime of opportunity. Someone likely wouldn't be worried
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  Speaker 1: about taking her phone and making sure it's dead and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: So something is a miss here, Nancy. Yeah. The fact
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  Speaker 1: I can't say that this is a missing jogger, That's
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  Speaker 1: what everybody's saying. Why are they saying that, I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm also getting reports that she was
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  Speaker 1: the last thing wearing jim shorts, a black sports bra
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  Speaker 1: and running shoes. Okay, when when was that? Was that?
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  Speaker 1: The day before? Was that? The night? Was that? The morning?
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  Speaker 1: Was she taking a jog before work? What I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: is we can't even launch this until we know was
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  Speaker 1: she taken from the home. Was she taken while jogging.
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  Speaker 1: Here's another question to you, Chuck Roberts. Was she wearing
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  Speaker 1: a fitbit? She was according to her boyfriend, but apparently
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  Speaker 1: it does not have a GPS device with it, so
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  Speaker 1: they can't you know, find it. Now, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: she had an iPhone, find my iPhone always works, but
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  Speaker 1: apparently if it's dead, if the battery is dead or
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  Speaker 1: it's been uh, you know, turned off, you can't find
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  Speaker 1: an iPhone and the user that way. But yes, she
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  Speaker 1: did have an activity monitoring device called a fit on her. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is what I can say regarding the timeline seven
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  Speaker 1: thirty a m. Seven thirty a m. And I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: this is the following morning. Her brother text her asking
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  Speaker 1: if she needs to use the car that they share
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  Speaker 1: that goes and answered that is not like her. The boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: Dalton text her good morning, and she never looks at it.
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  Speaker 1: You can tell whether somebody's who had your text or not.
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  Speaker 1: Molly's mom text her seven all times during the day.
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  Speaker 1: They all go an answered. In the afternoon, her brother
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  Speaker 1: calls their mom to tell her Molly missed work. Mom
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  Speaker 1: immediately calls police. I've got a lot of questions right now.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend at we are Iowa
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  Speaker 1: dot com, Angelina sells Cito speaking to the boyfriend. This
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  Speaker 1: is not like her. Dalton Jack is living in a nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: I figured i'd speak to her in an hour or so,
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  Speaker 1: and right now it's one he can't wake up from.
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  Speaker 1: I came home as soon as her mom said that
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  Speaker 1: she called the hospital and she wasn't there. The last
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  Speaker 1: time the twenty year old saw Molly was on Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: at ten pm when he opened a snapchat from her.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a selfie with the caption and I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember what the caption said, but it looked like
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  Speaker 1: she was inside. He never thought he wouldn't hear from
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  Speaker 1: her again. When he texted her early Thursday morning, he
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  Speaker 1: didn't notice the message hadn't been read until her friend
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  Speaker 1: called late that afternoon. One of her co workers called me,
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  Speaker 1: said Molly had not called into work that day and
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  Speaker 1: she hadn't showed up. And then I looked at the
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  Speaker 1: messages and she hadn't opened or read any of them.
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  Speaker 1: So I started getting in contact with her friends and
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  Speaker 1: her family, saying Hey, have you seen her? Have you
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  Speaker 1: heard from her? And everybody came up with the same thing. No,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen her since yesterday, Dalton says. The three
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  Speaker 1: years the two have been together, they've been inseparable. She's
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  Speaker 1: so sweet. I've never seen her be angry or mean
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  Speaker 1: to anybody in the almost three years that we've been dating.
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  Speaker 1: To not know where she is is unsettling, and he's
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  Speaker 1: gone nump. If this is her running off, this is
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  Speaker 1: just nobody was seen it coming. Nobody in nobody in
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  Speaker 1: the world, not her family, not me. Nobody would have
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  Speaker 1: ever guessed that she would just take off and not
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  Speaker 1: tell anybody while law enforcement continued to search for her.
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  Speaker 1: There's just one thing he wants Molly to know. I
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  Speaker 1: She's so sweet. I've never seen her be angry or
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  Speaker 1: mean to anybody in the almost three years that we've
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  Speaker 1: been dating. To not know where she is is unsettling,
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  Speaker 1: and he's gone numb. If this is her running off,
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  Speaker 1: this is just nobody was seen it coming. Nobody in
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  Speaker 1: nobody in the world, not her family, not me. Nobody
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  Speaker 1: would have ever guessed that she would just take off
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  Speaker 1: and not tell anybody while law enforcement continue to search
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  Speaker 1: for her. There's just one thing he wants Molly to know.
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  Speaker 1: I missed you so much. And hello you. You are
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  Speaker 1: hearing our our friend at we are Iowa dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: Angelina Sealdo speaking to Molly Timmot's boyfriend Dalton. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: the search is on for a missing Iowa student. I
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  Speaker 1: find very interesting his words that she might take off
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  Speaker 1: and not tell anybody. Twenty year old Molly Tibbots University
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  Speaker 1: of Iowa student missing now several days. Her family, friends,
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  Speaker 1: police are desperate to find her. She's a college student
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  Speaker 1: there in Brooklyn, Iowa. Last scene, according to reports, Wednesday, Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: July eight, while going for a run in her hometown.
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  Speaker 1: She messaged her boyfriend later that night, we believe, but
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  Speaker 1: has not been seen or heard from since. Straight out
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  Speaker 1: to fill the Toronto Special Guests joining us the father
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  Speaker 1: of Long Isle jogger Karina Va, Toronto. We are awaiting
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  Speaker 1: the murder trial of her killer. Phil. What can you
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  Speaker 1: tell me about a red T shirt that has sparked
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  Speaker 1: your interest? Well, I've read that Molly worked for daycare
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  Speaker 1: and the next day, which would be Thursday. They were
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  Speaker 1: going to a fair and they gave all the counselors
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  Speaker 1: the same red shirt to wear, and along with her
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  Speaker 1: glasses and her contacts, the red shirt is missing. They
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  Speaker 1: cannot find a red shirt where she lived. So it
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  Speaker 1: is my impression that she was wearing the shirt when
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  Speaker 1: she was I'm going to say abducted or went missing
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  Speaker 1: because they can't find it, So she wasn't wearing that
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  Speaker 1: shirt to jog. I think she put it on the
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  Speaker 1: next morning. You know what, Field Vatronto. That is an
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  Speaker 1: excellent point. I think they've got this thing, bass Ackwards.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you feel because her texting him good night
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  Speaker 1: tells me she had already been for her jog. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: maybe people saw her jogging, but that doesn't mean she
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  Speaker 1: went missing on the jog with me. In addition to Field,
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  Speaker 1: the Toronto Vincent Hill private investigator, the host of investigation
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  Speaker 1: discoveries hit series Fatal Vows, Dr Brian Russell, Chuck Roberts,
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot com investigative reporter and joining me right now,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, lawyer, judge, founder of child crime watch dot com.
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  Speaker 1: This is my problem, Ashley. I've been a jogger my
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  Speaker 1: whole life. I don't text my now husband but before
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  Speaker 1: I would jog. You know, no matter where I was living,
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  Speaker 1: being Atlanta, being in in Inner City Atlanta, being in Manhattan,
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  Speaker 1: I don't text good night before I jog and then
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  Speaker 1: go jogging and don't don't tell anybody anything the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the night. No, No, I'm I agreed, anty. But
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think that we have to consider
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  Speaker 1: all possible what is happen to this this squirrel, beautiful
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  Speaker 1: young girl scenarios, because as you and I know, it's
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  Speaker 1: one of two things. Either A she did take off
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  Speaker 1: and like you said, you're not gonna teest the body
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  Speaker 1: before you go Johns or be or good night or
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  Speaker 1: be something happened to her. And we've seen cases where
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  Speaker 1: you have both scenarios. So we just don't know yet.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to consider both. I know people say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: she'd never take off, she'd never do that. Well, guess what,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen it happen again and again. It could be
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  Speaker 1: either scenarios. Yeah, I mean, I'll never forget Jennifer will Banks, Alan,
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  Speaker 1: do you have to make color that cover that remember
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  Speaker 1: that they run away by the real runaway Brian, And
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  Speaker 1: that was in Georgia, right, Yeah, they had They had
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  Speaker 1: one of these huge wedding plans where you've got like
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  Speaker 1: ten twelve bridesmaids and ten twelve groomsmen, the whole kid
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  Speaker 1: in kaboodle, as we say, where I come from it,
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  Speaker 1: they were putting on the dog. Okay. So then right
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  Speaker 1: before the wedding she goes missing. Oh, everybody turns hell
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  Speaker 1: upside down trying to find her. Then she shows up
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  Speaker 1: thousands of miles away, blaming, as she said her words,
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  Speaker 1: night mine for Hispanics. Okay, let me just say she
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  Speaker 1: did yard work for months as restitution for the big
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  Speaker 1: search for her. But I don't I don't feel of
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  Speaker 1: a Toronto. Um. I'm just not feeling that this person,
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  Speaker 1: Molly Tip, has just took a powder and wouldn't call
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  Speaker 1: her mom and dad. And I think I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: And the idea that you brought up to Brian Russell,
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  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of Fatal Vows On
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  Speaker 1: I d the red shirt that's disturbing me. It's not
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  Speaker 1: in her car or the ship car she shared with
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  Speaker 1: her brother. It's not in her apartment, it's not in
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  Speaker 1: her backpack and more significant feel of a Toronto. You're
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  Speaker 1: the one that's bring this to my attention. She was
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  Speaker 1: gonna wear that shirt the day we all know she's gone.
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  Speaker 1: The job was the night before. She was going to
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  Speaker 1: wear that on a field trip with the daycare. She
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  Speaker 1: was a counselor that's gone. It sounds like a Jesse Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Kessy situation where she was getting ready to go
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  Speaker 1: to work, she put on the red shirt, she hadn't
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  Speaker 1: gotten her cell phone and her stuff together, and then
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  Speaker 1: something goes wrong. That red shirt is disturbing me. Dr Russell, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it really does sound like the timeline that you've been
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  Speaker 1: talking about is off in terms of when the disappearance happened.
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  Speaker 1: That they are seeming to me to be more things
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  Speaker 1: pointing to her having disappeared after sometime between the jog,
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  Speaker 1: after the jog and going to work the next day.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go back on why we're all focused
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  Speaker 1: so much on this on this jog, but guys, I
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  Speaker 1: want to review the facts very quickly. In a cap
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  Speaker 1: Still in a Nutshell with Chuck Roberts, our Crime Online
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  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter For those of you just joining us,
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  Speaker 1: and Jackie, thank you for the tip line six four
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  Speaker 1: one six two three, five, six seven nine six four
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  Speaker 1: one six two three, five six seven nine. It's not
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  Speaker 1: too late to make a difference in finding Molly her
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  Speaker 1: parents distraught. That's the number for the power Shick Sheriff's Office. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: chuck in a nutshell? What do we think happen to Molly?
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  Speaker 1: For those just joining us, Well, this is a young
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  Speaker 1: girl twenty years old of slight bill pounds five three
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  Speaker 1: last scene wearing, according to her boyfriend, jogging shorts of
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  Speaker 1: sports braw and running shoes. And she was last seen
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday evening from her home in Brooklyn, Iowa, a little
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  Speaker 1: town of about but it's a girl with everything to
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  Speaker 1: live for, you know. She's a psych major at the
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  Speaker 1: University of Iowa, just entering her sophomore year. She was
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  Speaker 1: preparing for a wedding, a destination wedding in the Deminkan
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  Speaker 1: Republican two weeks uh. No indication of a fight with
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  Speaker 1: their boyfriend, Dalton Jack who was away at the time.
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  Speaker 1: He has a construction job in Defuke, Iowa, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: two hours away. But she was alone in the house
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  Speaker 1: at the time in little Brooklyn, Iowa. They have searched
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  Speaker 1: corn fields and right now the corn is nine ft tall,
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  Speaker 1: so you have to basically walk down every single row
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  Speaker 1: because apparently she liked a jog in the corn fields. Start,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, I was just talking about this with
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  Speaker 1: the twins last night. Okay, last night. We we love
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  Speaker 1: those little bitty corn on the cops that you know
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  Speaker 1: they're frozen, Ashley, you know what they are and you
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  Speaker 1: can get them ready in like three minutes in the microwave. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to love. Yeah, we wanted fresh corn. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they can. You have to shut I wish I'd taken
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  Speaker 1: a pic, trAshley, But I had the twins shucking corn
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  Speaker 1: last night. So we were eating it at dinner. We
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  Speaker 1: started talking about the corn maze. That we go to
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  Speaker 1: a corn maze and pick out pumpkins every year. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're the people that got lost in the corn maze.
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  Speaker 1: That was us, okay, and David, who knows what had
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  Speaker 1: happened to him. I just assumed he was dead in
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  Speaker 1: the corn maze because I hadn't seen him in about
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  Speaker 1: an hour. And we finally, you know that the place
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  Speaker 1: was closing. It was getting dark, Okay out in some
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  Speaker 1: rural area, and they were closing and we were in
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  Speaker 1: the corn maze, me and the twins, and so finally
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  Speaker 1: I just looked up in a giant tall tree and
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  Speaker 1: started going through the corn itself to get out, and
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  Speaker 1: we went through the fence and that's how we finally
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  Speaker 1: got out. So my point is what Chuck Roberts is saying,
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  Speaker 1: why would you be jogging through a corn field? But
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  Speaker 1: I guess she was raised that way, so it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: It did not present a problem to her. But he's right.
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  Speaker 1: The corn and right now is eight or nine ft tall,
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  Speaker 1: and the only way you can really search it, as
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  Speaker 1: a Chuck said, is to walk down the ros. Even
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  Speaker 1: planes overhead can't look down in between the rows. So
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  Speaker 1: that is what one of the one of the obstacles
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  Speaker 1: that they are trying to overcome. And this search for her.
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  Speaker 1: She's last thing, wearing gym shorts, a black sports brought running.
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  Speaker 1: She's she's five, three hundred and twenty pounds. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: convinced that she went missing while jogging. And that's the problem.
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  Speaker 1: This is the problem, right or wrong to fill the
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  Speaker 1: Toronto The father of Long Island jogger Corinava, Toronto, if
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  Speaker 1: you've got your timeline wrong, you are spinning your wheels
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  Speaker 1: and you're wasting valuable time in finding the missing person.
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  Speaker 1: Hours count, minutes count. If they've got the timeline wrong
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  Speaker 1: and she did not disappear while jogging, they're truly barking
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  Speaker 1: up the wrong tree, Nancy. Exactly like I said before,
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  Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to know exactly when my daughter
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  Speaker 1: went out and where she went, so within a half
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  Speaker 1: hour my search started. Uh, they could be off as
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  Speaker 1: much as what eighteen hours and looking in the wrong
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  Speaker 1: place and looking at the wrong place. Hey, I think so,
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  Speaker 1: just let me just can't. I'm sorry I feel to this.
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  Speaker 1: This is a lot of assumptions, right. This is his theory,
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  Speaker 1: the boyfriend's theory that she was jogging in these shorts,
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that he said, well, if she's just
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  Speaker 1: taken off, it's very disturbing because if you're in love
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  Speaker 1: with your girl friend and you care for your girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: and you're under the assumption human jogging and now she's
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  Speaker 1: missing and possibly in a cornfield, laid out somewhere, that's
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  Speaker 1: not the thing you would say. And we're under the
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  Speaker 1: assumption too, that he was at work two hours away,
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  Speaker 1: that hasn't been proven yet, and just because he may
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  Speaker 1: have been seen at work sometime during that day doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean he couldn't have gotten back there and done something.
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  Speaker 1: So all of this is a lot of assumption in
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  Speaker 1: its timeline is very crucial. Guys speaking of the family,
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  Speaker 1: are desperate right now and fail you've lets through this,
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  Speaker 1: the hours, the minutes ticking by. Every minute counts, every
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  Speaker 1: minute could matter in the search for Molly. Listen to
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  Speaker 1: Molly's mon Oh wait, wait, hold on, let's get a
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  Speaker 1: fill on that feel. I was gonna say, I believe
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  Speaker 1: the family right now is going through false hope. I
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  Speaker 1: really don't. These situations never work out where you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: gonna find her. Fine, I don't think this woman, this lady,
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  Speaker 1: this little girl took off and ran away. There's no way.
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  Speaker 1: She had too much going for her. She had aspirations
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  Speaker 1: of you know, success, she was working her job, she
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  Speaker 1: was going to school. She reminded me lot of Karina,
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  Speaker 1: you know that she was a hard working girl. And
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  Speaker 1: I think she's going to be found someday, hopefully shortly,
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  Speaker 1: but I do not think she's alive. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to what Molly's mom Tailless ABC seven. Hundreds of friends
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  Speaker 1: and volunteers have been out searching for Molly, calling corn
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  Speaker 1: fields where she's known to run. Her mother, Laura, spoke
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  Speaker 1: to us by phone. Because I don't know where she is,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if she's says, we're just hoping for
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  Speaker 1: her safe return. Laura Calderwood says her daughter had no enemies.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators say Molly was last seen wearing gym shorts, a
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  Speaker 1: black sports broth and running shoes and I das all
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  Speaker 1: left behind at the home she shares with her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: Molly is one of the one of the most caring
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  Speaker 1: people you'll you'll under me. He's great, hard worker. UM
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter the situation, but herself second, and but whoever
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  Speaker 1: else needs a support before she does herself. You're praying
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  Speaker 1: to hear good words Um that they found her, she's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Those words would would mean everything. We could really use
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  Speaker 1: everybody's help doing get Molly Tibb. It's gone missing, and
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  Speaker 1: right now I think this theory that she was jogging
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  Speaker 1: may very well be bass Ackwards. She's five to about
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  Speaker 1: twenty pounds, long, brown hair, brown eyes, tipline six four
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  Speaker 1: one six two three five six, seven nine repeat six
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  Speaker 1: four one six two three five six seven nine. Now yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Can I throw this is Ashley? I want
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  Speaker 1: to just throw something in as you're saying the tipline.
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  Speaker 1: As a judge on the bench, here's what I see
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  Speaker 1: all the time. Somebody knows exactly what has happened where
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  Speaker 1: she is, what they've seen, and they may feel like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a big deal that I saw with so
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  Speaker 1: and so six hours ago. I don't care if anybody
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  Speaker 1: knows anything at all. It is so imperative that they
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  Speaker 1: stepped up, step forward and report it. You know. Another issue,
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  Speaker 1: investigators hoping they can access her computer and online accounts
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  Speaker 1: to zone in on her whereabouts. But I don't understand
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  Speaker 1: why this late in the game they still don't have
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  Speaker 1: access to that Vincent Hill private investigator. What's the hold up?
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  Speaker 1: It's the only thing I can think of on that
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  Speaker 1: is that they're probably waiting for a warrant because at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're talking about a missing
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  Speaker 1: adult amount of missing child where there could be a
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  Speaker 1: possible Amber alert. So there's some legal ramifications anytime you're
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  Speaker 1: touching electronic data like that. Wow, I just I mean
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  Speaker 1: a warrant though, uh Dr Brian Russell not only host
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  Speaker 1: discoveries fatal vows, but lawyer as well. A warrant. You
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  Speaker 1: walk into a judge, there's a magistrate on duty seven
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  Speaker 1: three sixty five. I'm talking Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, New Year's
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  Speaker 1: there's always a magistrate on duty period. Bam. You can
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  Speaker 1: even get a search warrant over the phone. So getting
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  Speaker 1: a warrant takes. I mean I've I've gotten many many
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  Speaker 1: warrants and wire taps you right up in affidavit. You
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  Speaker 1: have somebody swear to it, would say, um, aland where's
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  Speaker 1: you right in handy? Swear what you're about to tell
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  Speaker 1: the magistrates? The truth, the whole truth, nothing but the
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  Speaker 1: should so help you God? Yes, I assume I can
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  Speaker 1: get a yes out of Alan on that. And then
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  Speaker 1: you say why do you want her Molly's computer records?
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  Speaker 1: And he will spit out three five sentences about why
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  Speaker 1: they're vital and at time of the essence, and bam
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  Speaker 1: the judge signed the warrant typically and that's all it takes.
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  Speaker 1: So why are we still waiting on a search of her,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, cell phone? Does this mean, uh Brian, that
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  Speaker 1: they haven't been able to triangulate it as to its
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  Speaker 1: last ping. I think it's there are a number of possibilities, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that I think is good for our listeners
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  Speaker 1: to know is that in today's world, we've seen many
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  Speaker 1: cases in which the providers of the cell phone and
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  Speaker 1: computer services are You know that they are trying to
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  Speaker 1: balance concerns for the individual users privacy versus concerns for
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  Speaker 1: helping law enforcement, and they don't always operate. They always
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  Speaker 1: make those decisions the way you and I would, or
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  Speaker 1: certainly not as quickly as you and I might. And
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  Speaker 1: so this is a tip for people. It's it is.
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  Speaker 1: This is a reason why it is good to utilize
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  Speaker 1: some of the apps and and and and programs that
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  Speaker 1: are out there that allow your loved ones to be
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  Speaker 1: able to see where you are or to go basically,
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  Speaker 1: and what I'm saying is you you create a situation
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  Speaker 1: in which people can get at your location data without
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  Speaker 1: having to go through this process in case, for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement is taking a long time the company is
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  Speaker 1: dragging its feet or trying being wishy washy about whether
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  Speaker 1: or not they've got enough to release the data. The
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  Speaker 1: other thing I just want to say quickly. Is the
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  Speaker 1: reason I was saying earlier that there's nothing uh that
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  Speaker 1: I can identify so far that this girl did that
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  Speaker 1: would have uh possible we put herself in any kind
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  Speaker 1: of harm's way. The reason that's important is that in
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  Speaker 1: the absence of that, and the absence of uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she walked home late at night by herself in a
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  Speaker 1: dangerous area or something like that, where you could say, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can see how a crime of opportunity
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  Speaker 1: might have happened. A perpetrator who never planned this at all,
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  Speaker 1: but happened to come across her, saw an opportunity and
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  Speaker 1: took it. There's nothing like that here, which makes it
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  Speaker 1: all the more likely that whoever did something to her
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  Speaker 1: I knew about her, knew she was alone in that house,
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  Speaker 1: and planned to victimize her. We've just gotten disturbing information.
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  Speaker 1: Police are calling off their searches and are saying they
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  Speaker 1: are quote going in a different direction. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: Out to Chuck Roberts, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 1: what does that mean? It's certainly frustrating for the townfolk
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  Speaker 1: in in Brooklyn and the hundreds and hundreds of volunteers
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  Speaker 1: who have been spending days in that cornfield looking for her.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, the power cheek sheriff says they are pursuing
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  Speaker 1: other leads. Uh. He also says that they're scouring the
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  Speaker 1: laptop and online messaging and apparently the FBI has joined
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  Speaker 1: the investigation. So maybe the digital forensics requires FBI analysis
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  Speaker 1: in one of their laboratories. But you're right, it is Uh.
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  Speaker 1: It's a mystery why they would call off the searches
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  Speaker 1: when they have so many, so many volunteers and so
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  Speaker 1: much anxiety in that area. I'm I'm I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: read the tea leaves out to you. Actually, Wilcott, a lawyer, judge,
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  Speaker 1: founder child crimewatch dot com. They've actually issued a statement.
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  Speaker 1: Am I wrong about that? Jackie? To show me where
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  Speaker 1: you got that information, Jackie? Why would they say we're
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  Speaker 1: calling off the search and we're going in a different direction.
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  Speaker 1: Let's de sigh for that, Ashley. So here's my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: One or two things. Either number one, they've got some
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  Speaker 1: kind of evidence that they know who did it firston
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  Speaker 1: and interest and who perhaps that flows where she is,
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  Speaker 1: and so instead of a general search, they're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: to one area or one plate. I hope that's not it.
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  Speaker 1: In the alternative, perhaps they've gotten evidence that she has
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  Speaker 1: voluntarily left on her own free will and and they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna locate her. So I'm assuming there's some new evidence
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  Speaker 1: we don't know and one of those two things that's true,
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  Speaker 1: or else they would still be searching for Wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me confirm something with Roberts. Chuck
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  Speaker 1: go off on her own. Well, how without her glasses
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  Speaker 1: she can't see. She's as blind as a bath unless
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  Speaker 1: she had her contacts on. But you're right, she probably
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  Speaker 1: has two means of you know, visual age. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. Without her glasses, she is. She's lost that
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend claims that the glass is worth the home. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I've been looking at pictures of her, Chuck,
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  Speaker 1: and there are plenty of pictures of her without glasses,
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  Speaker 1: So it's got to be contacts. But I'm still saying
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  Speaker 1: we're handicapped where we're um, we're dog bit by not
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  Speaker 1: having the tongue were found at home? Stil the Toronto
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  Speaker 1: saying not only about the red T shirt but the
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  Speaker 1: contacts at home. I don't know about a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about her, but a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: that wear contacts have multiple payers. They like buy them
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  Speaker 1: by the box. So I'm wondering if phil that that
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  Speaker 1: they're saying they found contacts at home or for instance,
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  Speaker 1: her contacts that you're put in those little cases at
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  Speaker 1: night and put liquid in them. If people still do that,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: what's surprising me right now? Quote search called off for
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  Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts, the Iowa college student who vanishes while out
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  Speaker 1: for a jog. I'm not convinced that's right. Authorities calling
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  Speaker 1: off the search for missing Iowa student who vanishes while
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  Speaker 1: out for a jog. Now, this is according to the
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff's office, no organized search party going on at this
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  Speaker 1: time to find the missing twenty year old. Now we're
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  Speaker 1: also learning police are saying they're following other leads, following
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  Speaker 1: other leads. Were also learning police are suggesting she went
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  Speaker 1: for the jog at about ten pm, which is different
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  Speaker 1: from going for a jock at seven pm. Now, according
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  Speaker 1: to the Des Moines Register, a neighbor saw her jogging.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly they can confirm the time. And that's where we're
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: getting the description of Jim Shorts, black sports braun running shoes.
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  Speaker 1: This is after hundreds of volunteers come out helicopters that
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  Speaker 1: the works looking for her. The town is plastered with
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  Speaker 1: missing person posters of her. The parents are are distraught.
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  Speaker 1: We're waiting to find out. Why would they call off
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  Speaker 1: the physical search to the Toronto the father of Long
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Island jogger Karina the Toronto Pheel. What does this say
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  Speaker 1: to you? They're going in a different direction. What does
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  Speaker 1: that mean? Well, to me, it means they they no
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: longer think she is missing by her house, by her home,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: either that or they have a suspect. Either that or
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  Speaker 1: they actually found her. You know, it could be one
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: of the both. You know. The tip line is six
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  Speaker 1: three five six seven nine. I find it very difficult
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  Speaker 1: to believe Dr Brian Russell that they could keep a
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  Speaker 1: lid on it if they found her body or found her.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I do get a feeling. I hope I'm wrong,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: but I do get a feeling that they know where
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: she is. So I hope that, as Ashley said, I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: hope that's they know where she is and she's alive
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: and wilsonwhere and they just have to catch up with
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: her and figure out what happened. But but I have
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  Speaker 1: this feeling it sounds like everybody who knows her well
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: will parcel out the boyfriend for a minute, everybody else
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: who knows her well, saying that this is just so
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: totally out of her character to be in communicado this way.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I accept that, and I'm gonna I'm gonna say I
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: think that's likely correct. And so the fact that they
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: are no longer looking around intensively in the area where
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  Speaker 1: that the jogging allegedly happened, unfortunately, suggests to me that
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: they know that that's that would be fruitless to continue that,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: and that suggests to me that they know where she is.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: To Chuck Roberts, Crimes Towards Investigative reporter, Chuck, it could
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: mean that they have found evidence such as blood, evidence
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that they have found her phone discarded somewhere um far
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: away from the corn fields they've been searching. It can
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: mean any number of things, but it could, don't you think. Well.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I could also mean that they've been able to open
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: her laptop and they put together messages, and and they
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: have leaned from those messages that she was unhappy and
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you know, whinning wanting to go to California, where her
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: dad lives in Oakland. I don't know, but you're right, Um.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: The fact that they've called off the search and that
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: they're going in a different direction does suggest that there's
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: been a major development. Well. Also, when you're saying go
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: to California where her dad is, I mean if her
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: i D was still at the home. Uh, she doesn't
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: have a car. What's she going to take in aber
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: to California from Iowa. That's not going to happen. So
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I've heard nothing about her. You say her i D.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure whether she had credit cards. But
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: maybe they have found some use of her credit cards.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just kidding. This is the first
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing anyone suggest that she was unhappy. On the contrary,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: she's just about to move into her own, her first apartment.
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  Speaker 1: She's in a happy relationship with the boyfriend. The boyfriend's
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: out of town, and to be at work. She's got
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: a job that she's happy about. She was to report
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: the next morning to work to go on a field trip,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: as Phil the Toronto has told us, with the children
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: that she worked with where she was a counselor. Phil
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the Toronto, you've been there you've lived through this when
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Karina went missing, Yes, what is the family going through
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: right now? Well, mine was a little different situation. I mean,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Karina had an iPhone and we were able to unlock
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: it within an hour because we told Apple that she
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: had asthma and without because she left without her and Hala,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and without her and Hala she might die. So they
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: unlocked the phone and we pinned it and that's actually
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: how I found the location. But every it was four
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: hours between she went missing and that I found her,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and every every second, you know, you felt worse and worse,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and as every minute went by, you lost more and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: more hope. And I knew I was not going to
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: find her life and for this is gonna be a
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: week now, it's gonna be a week on Wednesday. Uh
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: that I believe they're going through false hope. If there
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: is hope, because she left Hawalat and all her I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: d home. I believe she was abducted, and you don't
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: want to believe that. As a parent, you always want
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to hope. I mean, people children are missing for twenty
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: years and their parents are still waiting for them to
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: walk through the door. But that's unrealistic. It's false hope
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: and it's horrible. After Phil the Toronto's daughter Carina goes
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: missing and he discovers her body, he has waged a
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: battle like no other for the course to allow familial
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: d NA. For instance, when you find DNA at a
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: crime scene or on a body it doesn't match anybody
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: in the system, you can then compare it to family
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: members that may be in the system in jail, having
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: jobs where they had to give d N A or
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: even through ancestry dot com. Then you find the family
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: member and that family member leads you to the killer.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: In many jurisdictions this is not allowed familiar DNA. And
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: thanks to Fill the Toronto who goes public with his battle,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: it is now being accepted. And there's really no way
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: for crime victims to thank you, Nancy what I have
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: to say. And you probably don't know this because I've
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: never told you before. When we met on the Doctor Show,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: that was December six, and that was the first public
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: appearance and outcry that I made for familiar DNA. So
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I believe that was a great instrument, a launching pad
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: for my campaign for me at DNA with you and
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Dr Oz because after that it took off. You know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: that was a great media venue for me, and that
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: was the first time were December six. I remember it
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: like it was yesterday. Phil Um Phil of Toronto with me,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the father of Long Island jog Or Karina, the Toronto Phil.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: If you could explain to so many listeners, thank god
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: they haven't lived through what you've lived through, and explain
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: what Molly's family is going through right now, heartbreaking, heartbreaking,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: no sleep. Uh. They they're just wandering around like zombies
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and wondering what's going on. Someone hoping that she will
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: turn up. Uh, you know, praying, praying to God that
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: she will turn up. Uh. They still have hope. They
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: still have hope until you know, her body found or
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: there's there's blood evidence. Uh, they still have hope that
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: she will be walking through that door. But you know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: since that moment when she went missing, their lives have
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: changed forever until she does come home. If she never
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: comes home, there there are a mere shell of what
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: they once were. Their life is no longer the same.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: It's something I wish upon no one to feel this,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: you know, Phil. After my fiancee was murdered, I never
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: saw his body again. I guess at the time. I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: could just emotionally could not take seeing him in a coffin,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: seeing him in the medical examiner's office. Do you ever
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: look back and wish you had not been the one
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: to find Karina? No? No, she absolutely positively needed me
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: to find She needed her daddy to bring her home.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: And I would have it nor the way, even though
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: every time I closed my eyes at night, I see that,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I see her. I would have happened. I'd
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: never had it any other way. I needed to find her,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: a horrible, horrible thing. But no, we needed to be
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: me the search. The search for Molly goes on. If
• 48:25
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