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Speaker 1: Jus the Bolt Report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, the National Anti Corruption Commission says it's checked the
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Speaker 2: Abeneza government's massive payout to Brittney Higgins, but there's something
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Speaker 2: it didn't mention. And America's vicious riots for illegal immigrants.
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Speaker 2: I'll show Democrat politicians whipping them up. But a Bolt
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Speaker 2: Report commentator cracks an illegal people smuggling ring when his
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Speaker 2: own government can't or won't. And more embarrassment for Energy
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Speaker 2: Minister Chris Bowen, this time from his friend and fellow
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Speaker 2: global warming fanatic, Britain's Energy Minister, and plenty more as well,
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Speaker 2: including Barnaby Joyce. But first, the Albanza government kept slapping
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump around, refused even his demand that we spend
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Speaker 2: more on our defense, and now Australia must pay the price.
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Speaker 2: The US Defense Department says it is going to review
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Speaker 2: our deal to buy the American nuclear submarines we need,
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Speaker 2: critically need. The Defense Department officials said. The Department is
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Speaker 2: reviewing ORCUS as part of ensuring that this initiative of
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Speaker 2: the previous administration is aligned with the President's America First agenda.
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Speaker 2: As Secretary Hegseth, the Defense Secretary is made clear this
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Speaker 2: means ensuring the highest readiness of our service members, that
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Speaker 2: allies step up fully to do their part for collective defense.
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Speaker 2: Note that bit carefully, that allies step up fully to
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Speaker 2: do their part for collective defense, and that the defense
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Speaker 2: industrial base is meeting our needs. Now, all this is
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Speaker 2: after Prime Minist Anthony Albanizi handed over half a billion
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Speaker 2: dollars to help America build what we thought were our
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Speaker 2: submarines and set us at least three, maybe even five
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Speaker 2: of them to start replacing Agent Collins class submarines. And
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Speaker 2: if we don't have them, that leaves us even weaker
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Speaker 2: as China prepares for war. So that would be then
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Speaker 2: a massive embarrassment for the government and a massive blow
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Speaker 2: of course for Australia. Now, of course it's it's not
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Speaker 2: certain at all that the US is going to in
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Speaker 2: fact pool the plug. In fact, this orchestralel helps America
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Speaker 2: as much as Australia, and a deal should be a deal.
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Speaker 2: But that said, the man doing this review is Elbridge Colby,
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Speaker 2: his Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, and he did warn
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Speaker 2: three months ago that it would be stupid for America
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Speaker 2: to give Australia some of these Virginia and Columbia class
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Speaker 2: nuclear subs when it was having trouble building enough for
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Speaker 2: itself to meet the China threat.
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Speaker 3: If we could produce the attack submarines in sufficient number,
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Speaker 3: in sufficient speed, then great, But if we can't, that
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Speaker 3: becomes a very difficult problem because we don't want our
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Speaker 3: servicemen and women to be an weaker position and more
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Speaker 3: vulnerable and god forbid worse if because they're not in
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Speaker 3: the right place in the right time.
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Speaker 4: We just have to be careful as we try to
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Speaker 4: produce an Australian capacity that we don't end up in
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Speaker 4: a time period where we're sort of less than we
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Speaker 4: would otherwise be.
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Speaker 2: And that's the issue. America is simply not building subs
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Speaker 2: quick enough to replace them and meet the China threat.
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Speaker 2: But that's not all the factors at play here, because
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Speaker 2: again and again we come back to the fact that
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Speaker 2: America is not just asking, it's the maning that we
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Speaker 2: pay more for our own defense. And that's a demand
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Speaker 2: that actually comes right from the top. Donald Trump's warning
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Speaker 2: to all allies he will not defend those who don't
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Speaker 2: spend enough to defend themselves.
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Speaker 5: If you're not going to pay your bills, we're not
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Speaker 5: going to defend you.
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Speaker 2: Now. Butch Colby, the man doing this review, he is
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Speaker 2: himself warned that the main concern in the United States
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Speaker 2: should press with Australia is higher. Australia is currently well
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Speaker 2: below the three percent level advocated for NATO, and Camber
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Speaker 2: actually faces far more powerful challenge in China. In fact,
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Speaker 2: just two weeks ago, US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth privately
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Speaker 2: told our defenseman, Sir Richard Miles that China was a
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Speaker 2: huge threat and Australia had to ramp up its defense
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Speaker 2: spending from its pathetic two percent of GDP today to
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Speaker 2: three point five percent very fast. Miles refused to even
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Speaker 2: tell Jonnas what the US wanted, so hegg Seth embarrass
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Speaker 2: him by publishing it on his website three point five
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Speaker 2: percent as soon as possible, and just overnight hegg Seth
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Speaker 2: has again put US and other allies on notice.
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Speaker 6: President Trump looks to those allies and partners to step
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Speaker 6: up to share in the burden of their own defense.
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Speaker 6: It's only fair that our allies and partners do their part.
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Speaker 6: Can't want their security more than they do.
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Speaker 2: So given all these warnings again and again, how stupid
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Speaker 2: is our governments almost go out of its way to
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Speaker 2: offend all those officials from Donald Trump down and for
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Speaker 2: a start by refusing to pull our weight in defending
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Speaker 2: our own country instead of just relying on the US.
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Speaker 2: Our Prime Minister's repeatedly brushed off Headsith's call to spend
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Speaker 2: three and a half percent of our GDP on our
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Speaker 2: defense Albanies. He suggested his government was spending enough already
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Speaker 2: and it was an America's call. Anyway.
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Speaker 7: What we'll do is we'll determine our defense policy.
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Speaker 8: And we've invested just across the forward to an additional
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Speaker 8: ten billion dollars in defense.
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Speaker 2: But worse, the government didn't even stop there. I wanted
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Speaker 2: only yesterday am my newspaper column. The Albanizi government was
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Speaker 2: almost deliberately offending Trump. Now you playing with fire by
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Speaker 2: striking stupid left wings. For instance, last week, it canceled
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Speaker 2: the visa for an American Jew tech expert, Hillel Fuld,
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Speaker 2: claiming it was somehow a danger to our safety or
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Speaker 2: good order because he posted a defense of Israel and
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Speaker 2: a warning about Islamic radicalism, even though Trump's administration has
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Speaker 2: warned against the allies censoring Americans, and when America's ambassador
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Speaker 2: appeals to Australia to Liftfwood's ban, He too was brushed off.
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Speaker 2: And this week, of course, Australia slapped sanctions on two
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Speaker 2: hard right ministers of Israel's government, infuriating US State Secretary
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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, who said the United States condemns the sanctions
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Speaker 2: imposed by the governments of the United Kingdom, Canada, Norway,
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Speaker 2: New Zealand and Australia on two sitting members of the
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Speaker 2: Israeli govenet. He said, these sanctions do not advance efice
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Speaker 2: to achieves ceasefire, bring hostage his home in the war,
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Speaker 2: and we remind our partners not to forget who the
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Speaker 2: real enemy is. We did all that now comes the
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Speaker 2: punishment this review of the Submarines deal. But our defense
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Speaker 2: mister Richard Miles, he was playing a call today like, Ah,
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Speaker 2: this review is nothing to worry about. It's just ticking
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Speaker 2: a box.
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Speaker 9: Look, I am comfortable about it, and you don't think
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Speaker 9: it's a pretty natural step for an incoming government to take.
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Speaker 9: I do have a sense of confidence about the way
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Speaker 9: in which Orcas is playing out under the Trump administration,
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Speaker 9: and that we will meet the pathway that we have
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Speaker 9: committed to it.
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Speaker 2: Now, it is true the US could well work out
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Speaker 2: that's selling us these submarines still makes sense sense for
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Speaker 2: the US as much of sense for us, because it
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Speaker 2: really is about making us both stronger against the Chinese threat.
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Speaker 2: Avis pointed out today by former Preme Minister Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 2: who actually negotiated this Orcest deal.
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Speaker 10: Australia's defense is served by US acting in partnership with
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Speaker 10: our allies.
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Speaker 2: That's how it works.
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Speaker 10: The idea that Australia unilaterally can undertake this is absurd,
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Speaker 10: It's fanciful. The US has every right to go and
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Speaker 10: look at things from time to time. I wouldn't ever
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Speaker 10: read that, but we should understand that our defense and
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Speaker 10: our security depends on our network of alliances. And as
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Speaker 10: far as Orchestra is concerned, it's the most it's the
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Speaker 10: strongest one and the most important one. We're strucking seventy
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Speaker 10: years and it's the one that I've noticed that the
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Speaker 10: Chinese in particular have have really reacted to, probably more
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Speaker 10: than any other I've seen. So that tells you something.
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Speaker 10: I think about it. Its strategic Merit all true.
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Speaker 2: Yet the US still could decide it's safer to keep
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Speaker 2: its submarines for itself, and not just because it doesn't
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Speaker 2: have enough. Why sell subs that it needs for itself
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Speaker 2: to a foreign government that right now seems unreliably left
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Speaker 2: wing against America or American allies. And that's why the
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Speaker 2: Albiniza government has been so stupid to have poison the
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Speaker 2: well at this very point, and especially by refusing to
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Speaker 2: spend a lot more in our defense. I mean, we
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Speaker 2: should have been spending this anyway, because as Joe Hockey,
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Speaker 2: a form austrain of the Ambassador Washington said today, one
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Speaker 2: thing we now desperately need is to build our own
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Speaker 2: war fighting capacity.
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Speaker 11: Right here, we've learnt from Ukraine. If you don't make
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Speaker 11: your own weapons, if you don't build your own military,
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Speaker 11: then you can't necessarily rely on foreigners to pick up
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Speaker 11: the tabs when you really need it. And if we
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Speaker 11: need a reminder of it, it's come overnight from the
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Speaker 11: United States. We can't solely rely on them for the
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Speaker 11: supply of our military equipment and our technology. We partner
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Speaker 11: with them, we need them as a partner, but we
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Speaker 11: have to have our own industrial base, and at the
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Speaker 11: moment that is under significant threat.
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Speaker 2: Thing is America might now be thinking exactly the same.
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Speaker 2: An American submarine in Australian hands is not as reliable
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Speaker 2: as one in America's, especially when there's an Australian government
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Speaker 2: right now that is treating US requests with contempt. Could
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Speaker 2: the US really rely on Australian governed to sailor southern
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Speaker 2: means the back America? If a meant that, we then
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Speaker 2: be at war with China as well. Just think about that.
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Speaker 2: But like I said, this Orchestele may and probably will
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Speaker 2: still go through, but it's now going to cost a
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Speaker 2: lot more billions more spent on our defense. That's what
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Speaker 2: the Americans are in effect saying is the price we
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Speaker 2: must now pay for our submarines. And if you think
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Speaker 2: that's too much, then think how much more we'd have
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Speaker 2: to pay to defend ourselves without them joining me? Is
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Speaker 2: General Jack Keane. General Kean was Vice Chief of Staff
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Speaker 2: the United States Army and a forsar. General is now
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Speaker 2: Chairman of the Institute for the Study of War. General Keane,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Why this review
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Speaker 2: of the orches steal? What is the concern? Is it
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Speaker 2: purely about having enough submarines lift for America, or is
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Speaker 2: it also connected a little bit with our refusal to
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Speaker 2: agree to American demands to lift our defense spending to
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Speaker 2: three point five percent quickly, three point five percent of GDP.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's the real basis for it. I mean,
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Speaker 7: we know for a fact we don't have anywhere near
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Speaker 7: all the submarines that we would like to have, and
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Speaker 7: it's the submarines that where we have the advantage the
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Speaker 7: United States and our allies over China itself. They have
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Speaker 7: a decisive advantage in suffer ships, in office and defensive missiles,
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Speaker 7: and also the number of airplanes that they have every
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Speaker 7: day in the region. Submarines is something we want more of.
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Speaker 7: But I see it Andrew as a real strategic plus
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Speaker 7: to have US submarines under an Australian flag operating in
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Speaker 7: the inter Pacific region so much closer to that to
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Speaker 7: mainland China, and I think it's a step in the
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Speaker 7: right direction in forming the potential for a collective defense.
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Speaker 7: And I think the anchor point for that are four
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Speaker 7: countries the United States, Australia, South Korea, and Japan, then
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Speaker 7: possibly adding others like the Philippines. So listen, we'll take
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Speaker 7: a look at the review and see what they have
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Speaker 7: to say. But from my point of view, this is
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Speaker 7: a plus for the region. The plan as is aucus
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Speaker 7: and it brings Britain into it as well, and likely
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Speaker 7: other Europeans would follow.
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Speaker 2: I would absolutely agree with that analysis, except for this
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Speaker 2: general what if the feeling grew in America that a
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Speaker 2: submarine under astray and control is not necessarily a submarine
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Speaker 2: will come to America's aid right, and particularly if you're
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Speaker 2: getting a rather bulshy government here that says, well, you know,
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Speaker 2: I don't know if we're really on the same page
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Speaker 2: as America and a lot of stuff. You might consider
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Speaker 2: that a submarine in Australian hands is much less reliable
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Speaker 2: than one in American hands when it comes to defending
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Speaker 2: American interests.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think if if we have those kind of concerns,
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Speaker 7: let's put it on the table with the Australians and
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Speaker 7: let's clear it up one way or the other. It
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Speaker 7: would seem to me that that's what we should do.
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Speaker 7: I don't have those concerns, frankly, but if we have
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Speaker 7: officials in the government that do, and I understand administration's
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Speaker 7: change in countries and solio policies, I mean, look what
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Speaker 7: the policy changes we've gone through in the United States
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Speaker 7: as a result of administration change. I mean, they're quite dramatic,
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Speaker 7: and if we have to get something in writing or
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Speaker 7: verify that, well, let us do it. I think the
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Speaker 7: primary issue is a number of submarines. The United States
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Speaker 7: knows we don't have enough. It takes us too long
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Speaker 7: to build them, and we've got to get it right.
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Speaker 7: And this was a step, in my view, as I
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Speaker 7: said again, in the right direction.
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Speaker 2: There's now of trouble everywhere in general. The US has
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Speaker 2: suddenly evacuated non essential staff from its embassy in Iraq. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is after talks between the US and Iran about
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Speaker 2: restricting around's attempts to build nuclear weapons. They've reportedly broken down.
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Speaker 2: The President met with his a team on Iran some
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Speaker 2: days ago, and then Iran warned that it could target
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Speaker 2: US bases in the region if this did lead to
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Speaker 2: a confrontation. How luckily is that.
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Speaker 7: I know that the President of the United States feels
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Speaker 7: very frustrated by the talks with the Iranians, and he
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Speaker 7: is of their mind that the Runians have taken a
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Speaker 7: hard course on this, and I sttly agree with it.
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Speaker 7: In my mind, Iotola, the Supreme Leader of Iran, is never,
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Speaker 7: never going to voluntarily dismember his nuclear enterprise. That's not
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Speaker 7: going to happen. He is negotiations. Negotiations are willing to
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Speaker 7: probably make some concessions, and they want to still hold
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Speaker 7: them on some of Richmond, etc. Take the Richmond down
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Speaker 7: from sixty plus percent all the way down maybe less
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Speaker 7: than three, maybe even accepted Richmond from other countries. But
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Speaker 7: they're not going to dismember that nuclear enterprise. And that
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Speaker 7: is the key issue here. So I think what we're
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Speaker 7: moving towards much closer to the likelihood of an air attack,
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Speaker 7: probably by Israel and hopefully supported by the United States.
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Speaker 7: A couple of vindicators, the United States President and Prime
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Speaker 7: Minister of Israel had a conversation on Monday. No one
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Speaker 7: really knows other than those who were on that conversation
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Speaker 7: what the content is. The United States entire national security
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Speaker 7: team went out to Camp David, which is a summer
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Speaker 7: vacation or weekend home for the President to get away
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Speaker 7: from Washington, DC. It's unusual for that to happen. And
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Speaker 7: now we see our Secretary hegseth As ordered the removal
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Speaker 7: of all non essential people military dependence from our bases
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Speaker 7: in the area. And also the Secretary of State is
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Speaker 7: is reducing our personnel in Iraq, in Bahrain and in
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Speaker 7: Kuwait embassy. All three of those entertain military US bases
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Speaker 7: in those countries. So it's likely that we may be
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Speaker 7: moving towards some kind of confrontation as a result of it.
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Speaker 7: These seemed to be signs that we would take prudence,
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Speaker 7: signs to protect people's lives in the event that there's
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Speaker 7: going to be a confrontation.
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Speaker 2: Well, you have warned about this for some time. I
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Speaker 2: think the tempo is just up to quite considerably. General Keen,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, take care, Yeah, thank you.
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Speaker 2: Now, just quickly, there are just reports in now of
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Speaker 2: a major plane crash at a Medabad airport of a
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Speaker 2: plane heading to London Gatwick Airport. Roid is a reporting
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Speaker 2: that two hundred and forty two people were on board.
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Speaker 2: Now these pictures are coming from the Times of India,
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Speaker 2: reportedly from the site of the crash. Massive plumes of smoke.
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Speaker 2: Now this vision that will bring to you shortly, we've
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Speaker 2: just got it now of the plane. Actually it seems
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Speaker 2: to me stalling. I mean obviously from that part of
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Speaker 2: the world. You're thinking, is it a terrorist attack? It
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Speaker 2: seems to Stall knows that the tail goes down falls
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Speaker 2: like a rock. We'll get more Patrick Christie's on that later.
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Speaker 2: What a terrible tragedy. Now, the more you see of
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Speaker 2: how this submarine story has unfolded, the more it seems
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Speaker 2: like it is Donald Trump's thing, putting the squeeze on Australia,
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Speaker 2: telling us, well, you want your submarines, then you do
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Speaker 2: what we say, and you paid billions more for your defense.
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Speaker 2: I mean just added up. Richard Marles, the Defensive Minister,
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Speaker 2: actually said today he knew about this review of the
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Speaker 2: substeel weeks ago and didn't think much of it. But
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Speaker 2: the US announced that very publicly yesterday, the same day
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Speaker 2: that its Defense secretary then told allies like us again
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Speaker 2: to pay much more for our defense. And he did
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Speaker 2: that just the head of a possible meeting between Trump
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Speaker 2: and Anthony Albanezi at the g s of a meeting
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Speaker 2: in Canada next week. So I think the Alberanzi government
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Speaker 2: is just going to have to make a deal to Trump,
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Speaker 2: and Trump loves deals to get our submarines, and that
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Speaker 2: means spending billions more on our military Joining me is
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Speaker 2: Thursday regular bunderby Joyce, National MP and former Deputy Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister band Toby be great to see you again. What
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Speaker 2: do you think is going on with this? You know
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Speaker 2: we're going to review it and all that.
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Speaker 5: Well, the problem with the review is you've got this
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Speaker 5: sort of a bifurcation of outcomes, hasn't it. You might
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Speaker 5: go forward with the Orchest deal or you might not.
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Speaker 5: And you know, we've been saying on this program for
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Speaker 5: quite a while, Andrew, that we have to become as
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Speaker 5: powerful as possible, as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 12: In our own right.
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Speaker 5: And we have a sort of an erratic policy process
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Speaker 5: currently in the United States and in Australia as mad
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Speaker 5: as it is. Our biggest policy issue is net zero.
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Speaker 5: I mean, how do we become a strong nation? How
19:45
Speaker 5: do we become as powerful as possible as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 12: And we're seeing this, we're seeing this. I've said on
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Speaker 12: your show before.
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Speaker 5: You know, we have this idea that our policy defense
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Speaker 5: position is the mums and dads at Tennessee and the
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Speaker 5: mums and dads of South Carolina, New York and California
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Speaker 5: will happily send their sons and daughters over to Australia
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Speaker 5: to be killed because we weren't able to defend ourselves.
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Speaker 5: I think that's a I mean, I hope that happens,
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Speaker 5: but I think that's a pretty poor policy position to
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Speaker 5: start from. Be a lot better if we were resilient enough,
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Speaker 5: strong enough, and to do that we have to build
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Speaker 5: from the ground up, get rid of net zero and
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Speaker 5: really focus on what it's before us.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, if you think, Barnaby that you know, a much
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Speaker 2: faunted mission to each team or to find people essentially
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Speaker 2: owned with shotguns and bows and arrows, we still needed
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Speaker 2: even for that American helped logistics helps to get there.
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Speaker 2: I mean that's and I don't think it's gone any
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Speaker 2: better since we couldn't even find a ship to trail
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Speaker 2: those three Chinese ships that circumnavigated It's Australia a couple
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Speaker 2: of months ago. I mean, it's ridiculous. I was struck
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Speaker 2: when submission from our defense mins are on scaring used
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Speaker 2: today Barnaby when here and Gilbert asked how long he'd
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Speaker 2: known about this review have listened? Can you give us
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Speaker 2: a read on when you were told about it? We're
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Speaker 2: going for weeks, so says he knew about it for weeks,
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Speaker 2: yet never said a word Bannabie Joyce. In fact, two
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Speaker 2: weeks ago, Males met the Defense Secretary Pete Head's Heath
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Speaker 2: and came out of that meeting saying, oh, no, August
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Speaker 2: is on track. And he said, at every level of
21:22
Speaker 2: us proceeding at a pace that's very much acknowledging the
21:25
Speaker 2: conversation that I had with Securtary of Defense Hexath, can
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Speaker 2: you tell me why he has been not telling the
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Speaker 2: truth or not telling the whole truth about this?
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Speaker 5: So listeners, Andrew four weeks ago, he knew that August
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Speaker 5: might fall over.
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Speaker 12: I mean, that's the why you have a review, because
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Speaker 12: they might review it. We've actually seen it now, we've
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Speaker 12: seen it in.
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Speaker 5: An inference even beyond that that they might actually pull
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Speaker 5: the whole thing up.
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Speaker 12: So we've been saying that the cornerstone.
21:53
Speaker 5: Of our defense agreement with the United States and with
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Speaker 5: England is August.
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Speaker 12: That's it. And find out that.
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Speaker 5: Our Defense minister knew this was up for review, but
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Speaker 5: apparently there's nothing to worry about. Well, that's nothing to
22:06
Speaker 5: worry about, Richard Miles. What is there to worry about?
22:08
Speaker 5: What would actually make you tweak? And go, oh dear,
22:12
Speaker 5: that's a that's a bit of a concern. We might
22:14
Speaker 5: be our had on our backside here in a few weeks.
22:19
Speaker 12: And if that.
22:19
Speaker 5: Happens, what my goodness, gracious me, because there's not just
22:24
Speaker 5: a submarines, a whole Orchest arrangement.
22:26
Speaker 12: What's going to happen next.
22:28
Speaker 5: Why isn't mister Miles out there saying, well, contingent to
22:30
Speaker 5: that happening, we've got this idea, these ideas up our sleeve.
22:34
Speaker 5: This is how we're going to get a submarine platform.
22:36
Speaker 5: This is where we're going to upgrade our on water platform.
22:39
Speaker 5: This is how we're going to get people into the cadets,
22:41
Speaker 5: so they join the reserve, so they join the reks,
22:43
Speaker 5: so we can build up our numbers.
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Speaker 12: But we're not hearing any of that.
22:46
Speaker 5: We're just hearing, oh, well, happy, go lucky, Richard Miles.
22:50
Speaker 5: It's all right, mate, everything's fine. It's just that it
22:53
Speaker 5: might be about to lose the Orchest agreement. It is
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Speaker 5: unfathomable how we are sleepwalking into the is this horrendous position?
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Speaker 2: Well, sleepwalking is worse than that. I mean, this is
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Speaker 2: the black note in Monty Panther, And I mean so
23:10
Speaker 2: let me go through this. So he's had a meeting.
23:13
Speaker 2: He says he knows the or casteel is being reviewed.
23:16
Speaker 2: It might go one way, it might go another. And
23:19
Speaker 2: at that very same meeting, Headseth tells him, you've got
23:23
Speaker 2: to spend a lot more on our defense and you're
23:26
Speaker 2: on your defense three and a half percent very fast,
23:30
Speaker 2: and Males says no, I mean, for goodness sake, Bannaby,
23:34
Speaker 2: you know.
23:35
Speaker 5: And who who's the country with a superpower? Well, the
23:42
Speaker 5: comparative power of communist China is vastly greater than Nazi
23:46
Speaker 5: Germany before the Second World War. Intentions are seen by
23:50
Speaker 5: what's happened. We've had the Chinese practicing to hit Sydney
23:55
Speaker 5: in the Tasman Sea of Sydney.
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Speaker 12: That's why they do life our exercises.
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Speaker 5: Everyone's sort of, oh well, nothing to worry about there,
24:02
Speaker 5: just another day in the office. I mean, what do
24:04
Speaker 5: you need you need them in Sydney Harbor, well a
24:06
Speaker 5: penny drop. Then we've had research vessels going past Melbourne
24:10
Speaker 5: just to work out all the oceanography. We've had a
24:12
Speaker 5: Chinese for tiller circumnavigating Australia. We've had Young huangy make
24:18
Speaker 5: you trying to get Kirabus on side, dearly onside, Solomon's
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Speaker 5: on side, Cork Island's on side for the encirclement of Australia,
24:26
Speaker 5: and everybody's just like, oh yeah, nothing to worry about
24:28
Speaker 5: now we've got the Americans. As I've said, there's an
24:30
Speaker 5: erratic policy structure there saying we might be going to
24:34
Speaker 5: ditch Orcas, and mate.
24:37
Speaker 12: We are on our lonesome. We are in a world
24:40
Speaker 12: of bother.
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Speaker 2: He came out of that meeting saying not telling us
24:46
Speaker 2: that Orcus was under review, and refusing to tell us
24:49
Speaker 2: that he'd just been told we want three and a
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Speaker 2: half percent of your defense of your GDP spent on
24:54
Speaker 2: your defense. He didn't tell us either of those things.
24:56
Speaker 2: What else out these guys telling us just quickly amount
24:59
Speaker 2: of time? But I want to ask you one thing
25:01
Speaker 2: because you mentioned climate change right, Our Energy Minister Chris Bone,
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Speaker 2: as you know, is a friend of Britain's Energy Secretary
25:09
Speaker 2: Ed miliband or is also global warming crusader. These guys
25:12
Speaker 2: are peas in a green pod. Both want to turn
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Speaker 2: their countries into clean energy superpowers.
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Speaker 9: Tralia's plans are to become our renewable energy superpower.
25:25
Speaker 2: But is the difference between them. Barnaby Chris Bone claims
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Speaker 2: he wants is going to make us an energy superpower
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Speaker 2: with wind and solar, but nuclear must be banned. But
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Speaker 2: ed miliband yes, and I said no way, of course
25:37
Speaker 2: you need nuclear and he's going to invest lots of
25:41
Speaker 2: money into it.
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Speaker 13: Have looked the steps I have announced today will kick
25:45
Speaker 13: off the biggest nuclear building program Britain has seen in
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Speaker 13: half a century, doubling down on our nuclear strength to
25:53
Speaker 13: take the latest step forward in our mission to make
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Speaker 13: Britain a clean energy superpower.
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce explained that difference between these two.
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Speaker 5: Guys, well, I'll just say, you know, we are not
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Speaker 5: going to turn into a green energy superpower. We're going
26:07
Speaker 5: to turn into a green energy basket case that's coming
26:10
Speaker 5: our way. And look, this is how dumb the Labor
26:16
Speaker 5: Party policy is. Apparently Australia is too dumb to use
26:19
Speaker 5: nuclear power. Remember nuclear powers enrichment to three to five percent,
26:23
Speaker 5: non nuclear weapons of ninety eight percent three to five percent.
26:26
Speaker 12: Yet they send this fear factor and then they came.
26:28
Speaker 5: Out with this idea nuclear power will cost a first
26:32
Speaker 5: of type nuclear reactor in the UK multiplied by seven.
26:34
Speaker 5: That's like saying every car is a Maserati is a
26:37
Speaker 5: cost of a maserati multiplied by seven.
26:40
Speaker 12: It's just a lie.
26:41
Speaker 5: And we are looking dumb. We're looking dumb in our defense.
26:44
Speaker 5: We're looking dumb in our power. We're looking dumb and manufacturing,
26:47
Speaker 5: and our nation is getting to a perilous position. And
26:50
Speaker 5: we've got a guy responsible for it who thinks it's
26:54
Speaker 5: okay to take a bowl of pass a, walk into
26:56
Speaker 5: a into a mass and scoff it down in front
26:58
Speaker 5: of a priest.
26:59
Speaker 12: And apparently he smart enough to call the planet.
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Speaker 2: Barnaby. I like, as a Catholic, your sense of priorities,
27:05
Speaker 2: I think that was a great sin as well. Thank
27:07
Speaker 2: you so much for your time. Wonderful, not so funny.
27:12
Speaker 2: Now let's go back to that ghastly tragedy. We're getting
27:18
Speaker 2: new pictures from Reuters. Firemen are on the scene, are
27:21
Speaker 2: trying to put out the flames. Well, it seems to
27:24
Speaker 2: be absolutely hopeless. It's disgraceful. The planes in the background there. Yeah,
27:31
Speaker 2: I look from what I've seen, there's just no hope.
27:35
Speaker 2: Look at that. It's just dreadful, dreadful stuff. Here comes
27:38
Speaker 2: to the plane we're going to freeze it at the
27:40
Speaker 2: moment of explosion. I don't know that we have to,
27:42
Speaker 2: but trying to save people distress, you could see it
27:46
Speaker 2: just slows. The tail drops. I think that's clearly a
27:50
Speaker 2: stall and down it goes, and there's all We'll save
27:56
Speaker 2: you from that. But a massive explosion afterwards, Ah, well,
28:02
Speaker 2: there you go. We'll have more lad with Patrick. Crisis
28:05
Speaker 2: after the break tearing America apart. How hypocritical Democrat politicians
28:10
Speaker 2: are whipping up these Los Angeles riots for illegal immigrants.
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Speaker 2: These riots in the United States now seem to be
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Speaker 2: inflamed by Democrat politicians, the hypocrites, because do you remember
28:28
Speaker 2: how Democrats for years beat up a single protest in
28:31
Speaker 2: Washington at the Capitol by Donald Trump, supported three years
28:35
Speaker 2: ago as an insurrection, wicked people jailed for years, even
28:40
Speaker 2: though it was overwhelmingly peaceful, except for when police shot
28:43
Speaker 2: dead one protester. But now look at Los Angeles, the
28:48
Speaker 2: violence there, with protests spreading to many other cities. Look
28:50
Speaker 2: at the violence against legal attempts by an elected federal
28:54
Speaker 2: government to send just some of America's eleven million illegal
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Speaker 2: immigrants eleven million back home. You look how the rioters
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Speaker 2: are flying the Mexican flag as they attack American law enforcement.
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Speaker 2: You would think that Democrats would be consistent and announce
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Speaker 2: this as a real insurrection. Instead, he is one Democrat politician,
29:17
Speaker 2: the deputy mayor of Venturer just out of Los Angeles. Yes,
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Speaker 2: and I standing with the Los Angeles mayor and encouraging
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Speaker 2: people to fight federal law enforcement.
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Speaker 14: I had never thought in my life that I would
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Speaker 14: be seen this sort of disruption in this story of terrorism.
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Speaker 14: Attack on our citizens, on our community, on our residents,
29:38
Speaker 14: our friends, and leave our people alone, because we will
29:40
Speaker 14: fight and we defend them.
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Speaker 2: And here it's California's governor, govern Usom telling Americans essentially
29:48
Speaker 2: to rise up against the elected Trump government, which is
29:51
Speaker 2: only doing what past Democrat presidents have done, sending a
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Speaker 2: legal immigrants home.
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Speaker 10: Democracy is under assault before our eyes.
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Speaker 12: This moment we have feared has arrived.
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Speaker 2: This is so dangerous and so hypocritical, and I wonder
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Speaker 2: why so few journalists call it out. But let's suspect
30:11
Speaker 2: most Americans watching do see the hypocrisy and do see
30:14
Speaker 2: these dangers, as some poles suggest. And Donald Trump's White
30:17
Speaker 2: House has now released a powerful video to make Democrats
30:20
Speaker 2: pay for whipping up these riots. Here's Trump sad. Nope,
30:35
Speaker 2: well we ever got that. I was joined earlier from
30:38
Speaker 2: Los Angeles by scone New's host Pete Stefanovic. Peter Stefanovic,
30:43
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us these protests. They
30:47
Speaker 2: started on Friday.
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Speaker 8: What happened today, Well, it was another eventful day here Andrew.
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Speaker 8: It started as a quite small, very small, peaceful protest
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Speaker 8: outside the Federal Detention Center, which had been a focus
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Speaker 8: for protesters and police for that matter, over the past
31:03
Speaker 8: few days, and everything just eventuated from there. So a
31:07
Speaker 8: small protest turned into a huge march that involved hundreds,
31:11
Speaker 8: if not thousands of protesters who are against the immigration
31:17
Speaker 8: tactics of the Trump administration, and they were showing support
31:20
Speaker 8: for those immigrants who work here. And then all of
31:24
Speaker 8: a sudden, it just escalated dramatically because this was before
31:28
Speaker 8: the curfew had come to effect. The curfew was in
31:31
Speaker 8: place now, but it was before the curfew had come
31:33
Speaker 8: into effect, and the.
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Speaker 1: March had basically caused traffic gridlock.
31:37
Speaker 8: It had shut downtown LA down, and the LAPD had
31:41
Speaker 8: quite frankly had enough of it, so.
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Speaker 12: They came in.
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Speaker 1: With so much force.
31:47
Speaker 8: Hundreds of police officers would be my best estimate. They
31:50
Speaker 8: were on horseback, they were firing rubber bullets, they were
31:54
Speaker 8: launching those flash grenades that we've seen a bit of
31:57
Speaker 8: in the past few days, and cleared out the protesters
32:02
Speaker 8: indeed outside town Hall and reduced them to about twenty
32:05
Speaker 8: in the end, and they were rounded up and just arrested.
32:08
Speaker 8: So all of that happened in the space of an hour. Andrew,
32:11
Speaker 8: it was an extraordinary afternoon.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm interested by you saying, you know, that was
32:17
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles police doing that, because Democrats have been
32:21
Speaker 2: saying that the protesters have been provoked by Donald Trump.
32:24
Speaker 2: They're putting it on him, provoked by him calling him
32:27
Speaker 2: the National Guard and the Marines. How many National guardsmen
32:31
Speaker 2: and Marines did you actually see today?
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Speaker 8: So that's interesting that that's being said, because I mean,
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Speaker 8: I've seen countless times, Andrew, over the past few days
32:40
Speaker 8: now with protesters getting right up in the faces of
32:43
Speaker 8: those members of the LAPD and they've stayed quite calm,
32:47
Speaker 8: and they're hurling all kinds of insults at these police
32:51
Speaker 8: officers who are really just trying to do their job
32:54
Speaker 8: and what they're instructed to do, and I just keep
32:56
Speaker 8: thinking to myself, man, you've got it coming here. You're
32:59
Speaker 8: asking for truble, and indeed that's what eventually happens. But
33:03
Speaker 8: the LAPD has really been taking control of things here
33:07
Speaker 8: over the past twenty four hours. Anyway, we have seen
33:09
Speaker 8: members of the National Guard I would say, only a
33:13
Speaker 8: few dozen of them outside that Federal detention facility earlier today.
33:17
Speaker 8: There's also the Marines who are here as well, but
33:20
Speaker 8: according to the authorities, they haven't been needed yet. They
33:22
Speaker 8: haven't been dispatched, not an official level. They are around,
33:26
Speaker 8: they're undertaking some training, I understand, because they're not officially
33:31
Speaker 8: allowed to arrest people. They can detain, but they can't arrest.
33:33
Speaker 8: But I've got to say the LAPDS has been driving it.
33:37
Speaker 8: And this is something that the LA Mayor Karen Bass
33:42
Speaker 8: has said in recent days. Her main argument against Donald
33:45
Speaker 8: Trump has been.
33:46
Speaker 1: Look, I've got this.
33:48
Speaker 8: The LA Police Department is more than capable of doing it.
33:51
Speaker 8: Governor Newsom had said the same thing, but Trump came
33:54
Speaker 8: in any way with the extras, with the National Guard
33:57
Speaker 8: and with the Marines too. But his argument is, look,
34:00
Speaker 8: look where we are now. You're too slow to do anything.
34:02
Speaker 8: So I'm forcing it upon you. But it's just that
34:05
Speaker 8: those extra layers of security haven't been needed yet.
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Speaker 2: Boy, it really seems to be one of those things
34:12
Speaker 2: where everyone sees what they want to see in this
34:14
Speaker 2: They've got alternative realities depending on which tribe they belong to.
34:19
Speaker 2: It's really driven home to me by one of the
34:22
Speaker 2: protesters you interview today here is Eduardo. No one's illegal.
34:28
Speaker 1: I did deserve to have like a fair American dream.
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Speaker 15: There's no looting, there's no violence.
34:34
Speaker 2: So Peter, no one is illegal, not even illegal immigrants
34:38
Speaker 2: are illegal. And there's been no looting and no violence.
34:42
Speaker 2: Is that really the case?
34:43
Speaker 7: Ah?
34:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I had to pull him up on that.
34:46
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, and he had to concede in the
34:48
Speaker 8: end that there has been some although he hasn't seen it,
34:51
Speaker 8: there's clearly been violence. There's clearly been looting, there's pictures
34:55
Speaker 8: of it, there's video of it.
34:56
Speaker 1: And even today, Andrew.
34:58
Speaker 8: Where we were walking the protesters on that march, I
35:01
Speaker 8: mean you could see dozens of people who had their
35:04
Speaker 8: faces covered and they were spray painting public property. They
35:08
Speaker 8: were spray painting the sides of buildings, on walkways, et cetera.
35:13
Speaker 8: So I mean, you're right, People see what they want
35:15
Speaker 8: to see.
35:18
Speaker 2: And where is this going? Because what is the next flashpoint?
35:22
Speaker 2: Isn't Donald Trump marking the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
35:26
Speaker 2: of what is it, the Army or something coming up?
35:31
Speaker 12: Yeah?
35:33
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, and that's a really good point, and
35:36
Speaker 8: that will be the focus this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Andrew.
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Speaker 8: It'll be this Saturday, our time, so that'll be on
35:42
Speaker 8: your Sunday. But basically, it's the two hundred and fiftieth
35:46
Speaker 8: anniversary of the Army, which also coincides with Donald Trump's
35:50
Speaker 8: seventy ninth birthday, which also coincides with these mass protests
35:55
Speaker 8: that had already been planned before these current protests had
36:00
Speaker 8: taken place. So people are being encouraged all across the
36:04
Speaker 8: United States, not just in California, but other states as
36:07
Speaker 8: well have been encouraged to protest against the Trump administration,
36:11
Speaker 8: to protest against what he's doing.
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Speaker 1: So it could well be this melting pot.
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Speaker 8: Of various storylines that take place here on the weekend,
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Speaker 8: and who knows what that could lead to.
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Speaker 1: Andrew.
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Speaker 2: Look, you're absolutely correct, Peter, and I noticed that Gavin.
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Speaker 2: You from the governor of California, a Democrat, was already
36:31
Speaker 2: suggesting or implying that the parade, the big parade that's
36:35
Speaker 2: been planned for the Army, was in fact to mark
36:37
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's birthday. Lucky was some sort of dictator calling
36:42
Speaker 2: in the army to celebrate him.
36:43
Speaker 9: Up.
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Speaker 2: This has got a lot of legs in it. Peter Stephanovic,
36:47
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time.
36:49
Speaker 1: You Bet Andrew, thank you.
36:52
Speaker 2: Coming up Patrick Christie's, who have more on this tragic
36:55
Speaker 2: plane crash in India. So let's return to the ear crash,
37:03
Speaker 2: the Air India crash at Ahmedabad that's in Goodaret Province.
37:08
Speaker 2: It's just north of Mumbai, going towards the Pakistan border. Shocking,
37:15
Speaker 2: shocking scenes. I'm joined now by Patrick Christie's of gb
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Speaker 2: New's London, because of course this flight was bound for Britain, Patrick,
37:25
Speaker 2: what can you tell us?
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Speaker 7: Okay?
37:28
Speaker 16: So the flight is a Boeing seven eight seven eight Dreamliner.
37:31
Speaker 16: As far as I can see, it's the first seven
37:35
Speaker 16: eight seven that has ever crashed. It's carrying two hundred
37:39
Speaker 16: and forty two people on it, all bound for an
37:41
Speaker 16: airport just a few miles away from my arms Sits
37:43
Speaker 16: seen now, two hundred and thirty passengers and twelve crew members.
37:48
Speaker 16: The video that I've seen, it appears to just lose power,
37:54
Speaker 16: and then from what locals on the ground are saying
37:56
Speaker 16: on social media, it's crashed into a construction, But it
38:00
Speaker 16: is a very heavily and densely populated area that it
38:03
Speaker 16: has crashed into. It does seem as though maybe it's
38:06
Speaker 16: managed to avoid the worst of the kind of housing estates.
38:10
Speaker 16: There are some aviation experts that are just a bit
38:13
Speaker 16: confused about what's gone on here, because the quote that
38:16
Speaker 16: I've seen is that at about one minute after takeoff,
38:20
Speaker 16: which is when this plane crash, the planes really should
38:22
Speaker 16: be almost flying themselves, which is quite confusing as to
38:26
Speaker 16: why it's come down. Nobody has ruled in or out
38:30
Speaker 16: terrorism or any kind of evil in Tenure. We don't
38:33
Speaker 16: want to speculate too much. Then, from the video that
38:35
Speaker 16: I've seen, it does look more like a lot of power.
38:37
Speaker 16: That airport itself I was having a look at. It
38:39
Speaker 16: is about two hundred and fifty flights a day from
38:42
Speaker 16: Amendabad Airport several to the UK. It's about nine hours
38:47
Speaker 16: forty five minute direct flight, so it was due to
38:49
Speaker 16: land this evening here in Britain. I've got staying for
38:52
Speaker 16: you from Gatwick Airport. They say, we can confirm that
38:56
Speaker 16: flight AI one seven to one that crashed on departure
39:00
Speaker 16: from Amadabad Airport today was due to land at Gatwick
39:03
Speaker 16: Airport twenty five past six pm local time here. They said,
39:07
Speaker 16: there's more information to follow. It's a confusing picture at
39:10
Speaker 16: the moment. I do have to be realistic. I think
39:12
Speaker 16: most people who've seen the pictures will also understand this.
39:15
Speaker 16: We're not necessarily expecting that to be any survivors. Unfortunately,
39:18
Speaker 16: it would be miraculous if there were. We hope there are,
39:21
Speaker 16: but that's where we're up to at the moment. And Gatwick,
39:24
Speaker 16: I mean, the airport here has not suspended all flights
39:27
Speaker 16: or anything. It's just appeared to be very much a
39:29
Speaker 16: problem at you know, at India's end really when it
39:33
Speaker 16: comes to this.
39:33
Speaker 15: But yeah, and also Andrew, it's worth pointing out as well. Sorry,
39:36
Speaker 15: you know it is.
39:38
Speaker 16: We don't know what's happened here, but it is another
39:40
Speaker 16: disaster for Boeing. They've had several disasters in the past
39:45
Speaker 16: for a variety of different reasons, not all of them
39:47
Speaker 16: their fault. But pains to say that there was a
39:50
Speaker 16: problem with a different type of plane that they had,
39:52
Speaker 16: the seven three seven, which this plane isn't. But of
39:55
Speaker 16: course now you know, you hear the word Boeing and
39:57
Speaker 16: you see something like this, and you know some people
39:59
Speaker 16: will will be wondering.
40:00
Speaker 15: What's going on?
40:01
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I've had a terrible time. They just had
40:07
Speaker 2: some record orders in May, so they seem to be
40:11
Speaker 2: getting out of it. And now this of course, as
40:14
Speaker 2: you say, it's fair to really to speculate what were
40:16
Speaker 2: the cause, but it did seem there to lose power.
40:20
Speaker 2: And if it is a mechanical issue, wow, that's anyway.
40:27
Speaker 2: But the real tragedy right now is the lives lost
40:31
Speaker 2: and all those people in Britain who were waiting to
40:33
Speaker 2: see their relatives or friends come back from I.
40:37
Speaker 16: Mean, sorry to go across you on you, but that's
40:41
Speaker 16: a really good point that actually because we have a
40:43
Speaker 16: huge Indian community here in Great Britain, and in fact,
40:47
Speaker 16: just down the road from where I live now is
40:48
Speaker 16: a place called Harrow. Further on st that this place
40:51
Speaker 16: called South or massive, massive, massive Indian communities and so
40:55
Speaker 16: people who are you know, either born in India or
40:58
Speaker 16: have relatives etctera will be so many people currently in
41:02
Speaker 16: England who are worrying about their relatives, about their friends,
41:07
Speaker 16: desperately trying to get in touch with them as well.
41:10
Speaker 16: So it's incredibly concerning times for a lot of Britain's
41:15
Speaker 16: Indian population at the moment.
41:18
Speaker 2: Right, Oh my goodness, all right, we'll have more during
41:22
Speaker 2: the night on this tragedy as news comes to hand,
41:25
Speaker 2: news and vision. Patrick, Can I just ask you about
41:28
Speaker 2: something you know, we've seen the rights in America cause
41:31
Speaker 2: by supporters of illegal immigration. It's also turning immigration Britain
41:37
Speaker 2: into a tinderbox. You just had rights in Northern Ireland
41:40
Speaker 2: after alleged sexual assault blamed on boys who needed a
41:43
Speaker 2: Romanian interpreter. The context is of course of deep concern
41:47
Speaker 2: about mass immigration, especially the tens of thousands of legal
41:50
Speaker 2: boat people sailing to Britain this year. Now you had
41:53
Speaker 2: your Prime Minister actually say he was going to do
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Speaker 2: something about it. He hasn't, not that I can see.
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Speaker 2: But you've been able to do You have been able
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Speaker 2: to do something after you got in touch with the
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Speaker 2: people smuggler who was stouting for business on the internet.
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Speaker 2: Let's say have a look at the end that you saw. No,
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Speaker 2: we haven't got that. You set it up. You're lifting
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Speaker 2: a message on the phone Patrick to come and join
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Speaker 2: in a particular place to get you over to Britain.
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Speaker 2: What happened next exactly.
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Speaker 16: So if you just go on one of these things
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Speaker 16: on TikTok, you will be able to find human traffickers
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Speaker 16: who are operating around northern France trying to get people
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Speaker 16: illegally into Britain. So I contacted some of those people.
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Speaker 16: Then they moved the conversation onto what's that, which meant
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Speaker 16: that I then got their personal number, which.
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Speaker 15: Means that police and authorities can track them.
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Speaker 16: They quoted me a price to get across the English
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Speaker 16: Channel fifteen hundred euros, by the way, says not particularly expensive.
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Speaker 16: That price has gone down significantly, so there you go.
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Speaker 16: We had their voices on record, We had everything on record,
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Speaker 16: and they even on maps pinpoint at the exact location
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Speaker 16: to us about where the boats were taking off and
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Speaker 16: when they would be taking off. Now we did that
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Speaker 16: with not one but two illegal migrant gangs, and we've
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Speaker 16: handed all of that information over to British law enforcement
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Speaker 16: and to the French authorities. The point here being Andrew,
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Speaker 16: is that we have a lot of retoric from our politicians.
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Speaker 15: About wanting to stop the small boat crossings.
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Speaker 16: We had four hundred people yesterday alone across the English Channel,
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Speaker 16: and I, having been there myself and seen it with
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Speaker 16: my own eyes, am convinced they are not doing everything
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Speaker 16: they can.
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Speaker 15: And again with the best way in the world.
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Speaker 16: You know, if me sitting in my room here can
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Speaker 16: track down can get you the names, the information and
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Speaker 16: evidence you would need for a prosecution, their voice on record,
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Speaker 16: their identity and the exact location of where they are
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Speaker 16: and what they're doing when they're doing here. And I
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Speaker 16: can do that from here, Why on earth can't the
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Speaker 16: government or enforcement do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm afraid because we had all those other grebs
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Speaker 2: that we lost. The ones from your show. If people
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Speaker 2: want to see them, go to Patrick Christie's on X
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Speaker 2: and you'll see an excellent report by Patrick which is
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Speaker 2: just blowing the lid off this stuff. Patrick Christie's, thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for jumping in giving the slatest on
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Speaker 2: the tragedy as well. Really appreciate your time. Well. The
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Speaker 2: news today from Labour's new National Anti Corruption Commission. It
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Speaker 2: announced that I oh, no nothing to see here, no
44:27
Speaker 2: corruption issue. In Labour's extraordinary decision to pay Brittany Higgins
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Speaker 2: two point four million dollars. It says this pay was
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Speaker 2: based on advice from independent lawyers and no Albinezi government
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Speaker 2: minister inappropriate intervene, although you know, hello, the government's attorney
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Speaker 2: general did approve this payout and did something else that
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Speaker 2: we'll get to. Higgins, of course, is the former Liberal
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Speaker 2: staff who said she was rape boy colleague in the
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Speaker 2: office of the Defense Minister after a drunken night out.
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Speaker 2: Our judge later ruled that the rape happened on the
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Speaker 2: balance of probabilities, but he said that Higgins had made
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Speaker 2: untrue claims against their bosses in the Morrison government, ministers
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Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds and Michaulia Cash. Claims that treated her badly,
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Speaker 2: tried to stop her going to the police. Untrue. Yet
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Speaker 2: Labor of course exploited these claims to beat the Morrison
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Speaker 2: government in the election three years ago. So Anthony Albinezi
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Speaker 2: and his new government they had lots of reasons to
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Speaker 2: be grateful to Higgins, and they gave her this extraordinary
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Speaker 2: two point four million dollar payout after just one day
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Speaker 2: of mediation with Higgins's two former bosses, Linda Reynolds and
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Speaker 2: Michaulia Cash actually banned by the government from attending the
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Speaker 2: mediation to say that higgins claims that had treated her
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Speaker 2: badly were actually false. But there was more. The deed
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Speaker 2: of settlement included not just compensation for the supposed bad treatment,
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Speaker 2: but nearly one and a half million dollars paid in
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Speaker 2: respect that said, for miss Higgins's loss of earning capacity
45:54
Speaker 2: after the government apparently accepted a claim that she'd been
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Speaker 2: diagnosed as medically unfit for any form of employment and
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Speaker 2: had been given a very poor prognosis for future employment. Yet, Hallelujah,
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Speaker 2: Higgins has since volunteered and worked in several largely unpaid jobs,
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Speaker 2: you know, the Nation's intern, runing for the Queensland Human
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Speaker 2: Rights Commission, working Victoria's first People's Assembly, becoming a fellow
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Speaker 2: of an institute run by former Labor Primeister Julia Gillard.
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Speaker 2: And now she's announced she's a director of public affairs
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Speaker 2: at a public relations agency. Well, Renolds, who is Higgins's
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Speaker 2: former boss. She's referred this She was the one who
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Speaker 2: referred this payout to the Nationality Corruption Commission. Sheet Today's sessions,
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Speaker 2: bitterly disappointed, won't now be formally investigated join me is
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Speaker 2: Chris Merritt, Vice President of the Rule of Law Institute
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Speaker 2: of Australia. Chris Merritt, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: Your reaction to this decision does a seem affair one.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's a victory. I would describe it as victory
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Speaker 4: of form over substance. It seems pretty clear that the
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Speaker 4: Anti Corruption Commission has gone through this and ticked all
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Speaker 4: the boxes to see whether proper procedure has been followed.
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Speaker 4: But there are two enormous loopholes here. One, Britney Higgins
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Speaker 4: was not a public servant at the time of the
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Speaker 4: settlement the payout. Therefore, anything misleading that she presented during
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Speaker 4: this discussion is beyond the remit of the Anti Corruption Commission.
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Speaker 4: That's loophole one. Loophole two is this the rules for
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Speaker 4: settlements of monetary claims against the Commonwealth significant monetary claims
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Speaker 4: against the Commonwealth to set down in chapter and verse
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Speaker 4: in Appendix CY of the Legal Services Directions of the Commonwealth.
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Speaker 4: And if you look at them, they're very reasonable. I say,
47:54
Speaker 4: there's got to be all sorts of checks and balances,
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Speaker 4: there's got to be a meaningful prospect of liability. But
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Speaker 4: right down the end. The last sentence says, the Attorney General, however,
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Speaker 4: can set aside these rules and introduce new.
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Speaker 2: Rules of his own.
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Speaker 4: Now, when you look at this, what's happened is the
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Speaker 4: two witnesses, Michaulia Cash and Senator Reynolds, who could have
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Speaker 4: been in a position to test any assertions made by
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Speaker 4: Britney Higgins, were excluded from this mediation. We've got no
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Speaker 4: real explanation about why that was considered necessary. All that
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Speaker 4: we've got from the Commission is a balld assertion that
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Speaker 4: Senator Reynolds's interests were not compromised, that she did not
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Speaker 4: incur any liability as a result of this, and that
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Speaker 4: is true. But we're talking about taxpayers money being paid
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Speaker 4: out the door here. This is not a private dispute
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Speaker 4: between Senator Reynolds and Britney Higgins. This is a dispute
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Speaker 4: between federal taxpayers and a disgruntled former Commonwealth employee. And
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Speaker 4: I would have thought that if we're going to prevent
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Speaker 4: settlements without sufficient rigor in future, that it would have
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Speaker 4: been nice for the Commission to have said something a
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Speaker 4: little bit more rigorous about the ease with which the
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Speaker 4: apparent rigor of Appendix C can be bypassed.
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Speaker 2: So they concluded it was a fair enough settlement given
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Speaker 2: that the government had every right to ban the key
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Speaker 2: witnesses from giving evidence against that. I mean, it's just
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Speaker 2: it's just extraordinary. Now, there were allegations that Reynolds had
49:57
Speaker 2: tried to stop Brittain Higgers from going to police with
50:01
Speaker 2: this rape claim, all of which are judge later, well
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Speaker 2: that's not true. Well this judgment says that, well, she
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Speaker 2: wasn't maturely affected by this case. Well she wasn't materially
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Speaker 2: affected if you're talking about money, Chris, but her reputation
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Speaker 2: was damaged, and that's why she said today she's bitterly disappointed.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't that count for anything.
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Speaker 4: I think it should, But I think the more significant
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Speaker 4: point is that taxpayers should be bitterly disappointed by this. Clearly,
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Speaker 4: the Legal Services directions are fundamentally flawed. If the purpose
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Speaker 4: of these directions is to ensure that taxpayers money is
50:42
Speaker 4: properly expended and not dissipated at the for collateral reasons,
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Speaker 4: let's put it that way, these rules are not sufficient.
50:53
Speaker 4: They're not up to the job. There should be no
50:56
Speaker 4: ability for any politician to simply determine that rules requiring
51:02
Speaker 4: rigor should be set aside by and replaced with rules
51:06
Speaker 4: that a politician chooses to put in place. It's too
51:09
Speaker 4: open to abuse.
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Speaker 2: Chris Merrick, thank you so much for getting to the
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Speaker 2: bottom of that one. Thank you right. We'll have more
51:21
Speaker 2: reports during the night about this crash in India in
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Speaker 2: Ahmedabad or just near the airport there. Within seconds of takeoff,
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Speaker 2: it seems minute maybe tops a Boeing Dreamliner carrying two
51:36
Speaker 2: hundred and forty four people somehow lost the altitude, couldn't
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Speaker 2: get up, It had the nose up like I was
51:42
Speaker 2: obviously trying to trying to climb, and it couldn't just fell.
51:48
Speaker 2: It's like a stored lost power. I don't know. It's
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Speaker 2: really strange. Was it overweight? Maybe there was terrorism, but
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Speaker 2: there's no of your signs of it here anyway, a
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Speaker 2: ghastly tragedy. Children say, forty four people almost certainly all dead,
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Speaker 2: plus whoever was on the ground, because there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of people around that area. Just awful bound for Britain
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Speaker 2: and will to bring you more as it comes to hand.
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Speaker 2: In fact, Sherry Markson will have more on this straight
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Speaker 2: after this show. That's it from me, of course, tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. Good Night,