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Football at Four: Going Inside Eagles 2nd Week of Training Camp · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Powered by the Inside of the Birch Podcast. It's brought
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  the moment, it's never ordinary. At BET three six 's five,
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  Jeff Boucher from the Inside the Birds Podcast is here
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  five days in on the Eagles, of course, training camp
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  off today, no practice today for the Birds. They'll be
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  back on the field tomorrow getting ready for the Cincinnati Bengals,
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  and we'll take a look at some of the storylines
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  that are emerging from the first five days at practice
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  with Jeff Bocher right now from the Inside the Birds Podcast.
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  Who joins us here on the Sports Past Live on
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  ninety seven three ESPN. Jeff Bocher, Welcome back, man, what's
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  going on?
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  Speaker 2: What's up, Mike? How you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: Always good, Bud, It's always good to catch up with you.
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  Speaker 1: And we've got a bunch of stuff happening here at
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  Eagles practice throughout the first five days. So let's get
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  some recaps and thoughts from you on some of the
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  guys and some of the storylines emerging. Everybody keeps talking
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  about morow Ojomo. Is it fair or unfair to bring
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  him up and think that the Eagles will not maybe
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  miss a beat without Milton Williams in there.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's fair to talk about him and the fact
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  that he's being asked as the first guy up to
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  replace what Milton Williams brought. Vic Fangio has said, and
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  this is the difference between this year and last year.
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  Last year, when Milton Williams came off the field, it
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  was let's go to Morowadjomo in the four man rush
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  and even in the five man front. But there was
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  really if one of those two got hurt, would there
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  wouldn't have been a whole lot more.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Gabe Hall wasn't ready, Byron Young wasn't ready.
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  Speaker 4: This year with Ty Robinson in the mix, I should
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  say that Thomas Booker did.
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  Speaker 2: Play a smattering of snaps last year.
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  Speaker 4: But this year you've got Booker back, Ty Robinson the
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  draft pick, and then you have a year of Gabe
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  Haul and a year of Byron Young.
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  Speaker 2: With the team, so they're a little deeper there.
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  Speaker 4: And plus you add in the fact that they are
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  giving Jordan Davis some looks in the four man rush
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  here in camp next to whoever, whether it's Jalen Carter
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  or somebody else. So Moro Joe doesn't have to absorb
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  all those snaps, but you know, obviously he wants to.
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  Speaker 2: He wants to be that starter, and he's ready for it.
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  Speaker 4: He's built a little differently than Milton Williams, longer arms,
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  more slender of a body, but he's got, you know,
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  really good hand usage, good motor, good get off so
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  good athleticism, and he'll be the first guy to get
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  that opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: To say, how does Ojomo's game differ from Milton Williams.
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  Milton Williams a guy who was probably more known for
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  his pass rush and skills.
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  Speaker 3: So how are they different?
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you're the Eagles, do you have to
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  use Ojomo differently than you use Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 4: Milton was a little bigger Milton, if you remember, also
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  played some defensive end at Louisiana, and he could line
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  up a d end in a four man front if
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  need be, and he had great athleticism for that size.
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  He was also a third round pick because he tested
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  through the roof athletically. Moro a Joemo is a seventh
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  round pick. He's a little smaller in size, longer arms,
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  I believe. So when if you if you were to
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  stand them next to each other, you would see that
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  they have different body types and his strengths are a
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  little bit different. He has really, like I said, good
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  hands and nice feet. You know he can keep churning.
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  He's learned a lot in his two years. You can
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  tell he's refined as a pass rusher. But that's how
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  they differ. There's built differently and more is not as
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  big of a guy as Williams.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're looking at that spot and I thought,
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  Vic Fangio, you know who's the truth serum guy, right,
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  he tells you the truth on everything. He did talk
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  about Jordan Davis being twenty five pounds twenty six pounds,
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  I guess lighter, and how that will change possibly for him,
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  And I wonder from you when you look at Jordan
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  Davis losing twenty six pounds, he's still six foot six.
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  That's the problem with him is in terms for me
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  as a pants rusher, to be the low man, that's hard.
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  But Vic Fangio said, like, I want to see that
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  should help him be in better shape as the game
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  goes on. It sounded like he thinks he should be
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  better because he's smaller. But do you see him being
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  a different type of player than the one we've seen
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  the first four seasons.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're only a week in. The pads
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  have only been on once.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't I have paid attention to him with his
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  new physique, I will say I think there are times
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  that he still plays high. So you heard Vic say
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  that he's got to play like he's six three or
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  six four and not six six. And that's I think
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  easier and said than done for a guy who's you know,
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  played high for a lot of his life because he
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  is tall, and for most of his life he did
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  weigh a lot more so it's hard to get low,
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  especially when your legs are wearing down.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, the weight loss should help.
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  Speaker 4: It should allow him to do some pass rushing that
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  maybe weren't as easy when he was bigger. But it
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  is not the be all to end all, and it
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  takes more than just weight loss to really develop the
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  technique and the fundamentals that you need to be a
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  good pass rusher from the inside.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff, Obviously, when we look at the linebacker spot, let's
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  take a look at that. Everybody's you know, excited about Campbell.
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  Is it a Zach Bond? Jehad Campbell. Is that the
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  configuration of linebacker that we will see the most this season.
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  Speaker 4: You know it's gonna be tough, Mike, because the temptation
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  is to say yes, because Campbell is a first round pick,
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  and when you watch him out there, you can see why.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's a great.
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  Speaker 4: Athlete, makes plays happen fairly instinctive. But he's but when
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  you watch Jeremiah Trotter junior Mike, you can see that
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  for what he lacks in the athleticism of the other two.
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  When I say two, I mean not only Jihad Campbell,
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  but Smile Montin is a really good athlete too.
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  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Troyner lacks the athleticism.
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  Speaker 4: But he makes up for it with just knowing how
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  to play the position, knowing where to be, and you
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  can you can make a lot of really good plays
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  when you just know the position really well.
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  Speaker 2: And I think t J. Edwards was a really good
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  example of that.
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  Speaker 4: Where he may not have been the greatest athlete, but
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  he made so many important plays for the team because
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  he knew where to be, he knew how to cover,
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  he knew what landmarks he needed to get to to
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  clog a passing lane, or how to get around an
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  offensive lineman to get through the lane. You know, Nikobe
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  Dean's the same way. Nikobe Dean is not the biggest
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  guy in the world. Good athlete, but not the biggest.
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  Speaker 2: Guy in the world.
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  Speaker 4: But he just last year learned how to play downhill
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  the right way, how to cover the right way. So
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  I can't dismiss Trotter Junior being some you know, being
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  able to either beat out to hot Campbell. Or maybe
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  it's a thing where one guy's playing on first and
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  second down the other guy's playing in the nickel.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I will say I think the temptation.
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  Speaker 4: Is to go say, hey, Campbell's on the field way
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  earlier and he's making all this progress.
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  Speaker 2: That's great, but Trotter's going to make it tough.
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  Speaker 1: On the latest episode of Inside the Burge, you guys
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  can check that out on all podcasting platforms. The latest
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  intel on these camp competitions, I guess one of the
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  bigger unknowns to see where you guys handicap us right
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  now and which way do you see it going off?
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  The first week at Dori Jackson, Kaylee Ringo and do
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  you throw Mac McWilliams in there at all.
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  Speaker 2: It was interesting because.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Dorry Jackson got like three or four days
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  in a row of taking the first team reps, and
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  you were starting to wonder if this were like was
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  like last year.
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  Speaker 2: Where he where Rogers.
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  Speaker 4: Isaiah Rodgers clearly pulled away from Ringo after about a
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  week of competition and then started to take the reins there.
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  But then Vic Fangio said something interesting about how the
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  first few days of camp a Dori Jackson. He said,
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  it's almost like he wasn't there because nobody was throwing
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  the ball. He said, you can still make good plays
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  even when the ball doesn't come your way, but you're
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  obviously trying to be evaluated when the ball does come
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  your way. So I do wonder if part of seeing
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  a Doorri Jackson run with the first team for three
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  or four days in a row was because Vic wanted
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  to just see how he held up to it. And
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  then you know, he didn't have as good of a
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  day when the pads came out, got called for a penalty.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a lot longer to go. I imagine Ringo will.
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  Speaker 4: Start to get some also, some some first team reps
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  again as this becomes a competition, But Vic certainly likes
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  what he's seen from mac McWilliams.
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  Speaker 5: If I were to, if I were to guess educatedly here,
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  I would say what he's looking for with mac McWilliams
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  is to see if he could really be a good
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  slot corner, so that they can play Cooper de Gene
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  at either safety or outside corner if they wanted to
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  in certain formations.
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  Speaker 4: But we'll see as camp goes on. Certainly mcmmcckwilliams has
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  caught Vic fan Joe's eye.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no I agree with you there.
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  Speaker 1: And the follow up when you brought it up, I
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  want to follow up with is are they intrigued to
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  see Cooper de gene play outside corner?
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  Speaker 3: Is that something that you think is plausible?
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  Speaker 2: Plausible?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, right now, it looks more like they're intrigued
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  to see what he can do as.
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  Speaker 2: A safety in base. In the OTAs we saw him
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  playing outside corner.
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  Speaker 4: I imagine we'll see him doing that again in practice in
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  the in the preseason games. I think there's just you know,
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  what I know is that they've got a lot of
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  optionality and they're looking to see where the best combinations are.
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  And part of that means giving young players a chance
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  to prove themselves among also giving proven players a chance
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  to prove themselves at other positions.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so a young player is trying to prove
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  it to young players at safety. Where are we in
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  your mind at the safety position.
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  Speaker 4: Well, hopefully for Andrew mccooba, he gets back from this
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  injury that he had.
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  Speaker 2: Uh was an injury.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he ran into I think was it him that
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  ran into too Gray and they both got hurt. I
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  think I got got himself released. Yeah, yeah, that's too
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  bad for Danny gray Man. It can't stay healthy. But yeah,
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  I think mccooba's got to be able to get on
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  the field. You know, Sydney Brown's now taking a lot
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  of reps, Tristan mccollms getting some reps in there too.
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  I mean, it truly is a may the best man
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  win type of competition. Although mccooba is going to be
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  the leader in the clubhouse by being a second round pick.
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  Speaker 2: But if this is a situation like Tyler Steam last year.
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  Speaker 4: Where mccoop are gonna be out for two or three weeks,
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  it's gonna be harder for him to For Jack Gap,
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  you know, Cooper to Gen was able to do it
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  because it was there was nobody else that could play
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  the nickel.
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  Speaker 2: As well as he did. He could when he got
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  back with mccooba.
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  Speaker 4: There are guys who can play safety here, including Cooper
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  to gen right, So he needs to get on the
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  field and show it.
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  Speaker 1: I know by the way that that safety spot will
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  probably you know, one of the things I wanted to
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  ask you about today. We were talking about this this morning,
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  which is generally the last Siriani during the Sirianni area,
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  the Eagles starters have not appeared in games on the.
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  Speaker 3: Defensive side of the ball. Is that gonna have to
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  change this? Yere? Are they gonna have to play in
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  these games?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think guys who have who are
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  who might be starters in the week one but have
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  not won it yet. Sure, we'll We'll probably have to play.
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  You know, Adorri Jackson is probably gonna have to play, KEITHA.
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  Ringo is gonna probably have to play, Macouba is probably
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  going to play. Sidney Brown is going to have to play.
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  Speaker 2: Trotter Junior. I imagine we'll probably play.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I do think on defense now A Jomo
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  probably not right?
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  Speaker 1: Well, what about Campbell. I mean, he's a first round pick.
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  Did they want to see him normally? You know, we
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  I don't remember Quinnon Mitchell playing. Did he play in
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  a preseason game last year?
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's a great question. I don't remember. I
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  have to go back and look. I think he did.
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  I think he did play in the preseason last year.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, some of these guys will have to get
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  out there and get that experience.
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  Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll we'll flip over to offense.
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  Same thing. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see Tyler Steen having to play preseason games? Uh,
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  to win that job or is that job over?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he If they're not going to play
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  the first team line, I don't think that they're going
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  to play Tyler Steed.
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  Speaker 2: Right, so he does any guys.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't have to win the job by performing in
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  a game.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, right, I mean he's performed in games.
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  Speaker 4: They've evaluated in games and just waiting for him to
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  see as a starter year in camp. Are they seeing progress,
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  which Jeff Stealton said, I believe yesterday that he is.
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  And you gotta remember they have a ton of guys, yeah,
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  that they've got to evaluate here between Miles Hinton and
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  Drew Kendall and Darien Kinnard and Matt Pryor and uh,
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  you know, the list goes on to Kenyan Green that
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  they're gonna they're gonna have plenty of snaps that they
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  need to get.
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  Speaker 2: They need to get evaluation from those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you bring this up because this is
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  another thing that we were discussing you this morning, which
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  was these guys that got drafted last year Keegan and
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  there was another guy that got drafted on the offensive, that.
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  Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of competition in.
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  Speaker 2: The Yeah, I lost you a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: The guy they drafted last year along with Keegan was
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  Dylan McMahon, but then they wound up losing him.
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  Speaker 2: To the Rams.
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  Speaker 4: And yes, they've got to not only do they need
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  to play guys right, Mike, but they got to play
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  him sort of in different spots. And see, you know,
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  they need to find a backup center. This Brett toe
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  thing has got to stop. You can't snap the ball
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  and shotgun. It's been like that for three years. No
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  knock against the guy. I mean, honestly, he's been in camp.
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  I mean he's competing. You're in you're out, and good
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  for him, but he's just not a center. So you've
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  got to find whether Keegan can be that guy, whether
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  it's Kendall, whether they need to go and find one
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  on the open you know, the scrap heat free agent market.
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  And then they got to figure out, you know, important
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  roles for those rookies I mentioned and the Canards of
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  the world and their swing tackle is that Prior Or?
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  Is Prior just gonna be a right guard?
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  Speaker 2: Right tackle? Who would be the back of left tackle?
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  Speaker 1: All of that well, and and you know, uh this,
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  we might have talked about this a little bit, but
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  if Landon, if the center got hurt and Landon Dickerson
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  moved over. Last year, they put Steen it left guard.
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  Obviously they can't do that this year. Matt Pryor would
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  probably be that guy. But correct me if I'm wrong, Jeff,
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  he started.
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  Speaker 4: I think Megan would actually be that guy because Prior,
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  I I don't believe they view as a left guard.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that makes me wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I know he played left tackle one year for the Bears,
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  but he's mostly been a right side guy.
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  Speaker 1: But again, okay, so correct me if I'm wrong here.
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  Last season it was Steen that was the starting right guard.
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  Becton got a shot because Steen got hurt and then
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  never gave the spot up right, So that situation wouldn't
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  have materialize. Had possibly Steen not got hurt, we might
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  not have seen Bechten win that job.
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  Speaker 2: It's possible.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's also possible that two weeks into camp
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  they would have said I want to see a little
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  more considered, or we've seen before where guys get promoted,
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  you know, after especially after that first preseason game, they
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  have a day off and then the next day is
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  a day that's sort of known for.
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  Speaker 2: When you start to see some movement up and down.
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  The U is p G laughing at me. What's going on?
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  I see him pointing at me at laughing. Michael'll show
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  me tweet. Oh okay, look at you're appointing at me
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  on that disclosure. It's about John Krock being annoyed that
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  the Phillies reigned a lay which shot. Trucker's annoyed by something.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, but yeah, you'll you'll see movement a lot after
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  that first preseason game MIC when you guys start to
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  go up and down and the coaches see have a full.
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  Speaker 2: Game to evaluate.
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  Speaker 4: So possibly that could have happened last year, but but
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  you're right that the ankle injury paved the way from
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  Makai bect and kind of Wally Pip Tyler Steen in
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  that moment.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Boucher from the Inside the Birds podcast, which you
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  can get on all podcasting platforms here on the Football
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  at four Wednesday edition. Here last look on the offensive
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  side of the ball. Yesterday Adam was on. He talked
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  about AJ Dillon and Will Shipley behind Saquon Barkley. Do
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  you think the running backs behind Barkley have a bigger
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  role this year?
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  Speaker 2: I think that sort of.
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  Speaker 4: I think that Eagles want them to, yes, but that
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  will be dependent on how effective they are in their roles,
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  you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it would be great for AJ Dillon to
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  make this team, and he's not going to be the Kenny.
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  Speaker 4: Gamewell because he doesn't catch the ball the same way
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  and he's not the same kind of running back. But
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  you know, if the Eagles are up twenty four to
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  fourteen in the fourth quarter, it was seven and a
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  half to go, you'd love to be able to give
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  the ball to AJ Dillon as a bulldozer and close
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  out the game and give Saquon a little bit of
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  a rest.
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  Speaker 2: And at the.
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  Speaker 4: Same time, if you want to be in your two
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  minute drill and your four minutes drill, and you've just,
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  you know, already given fifteen touches to Saquon in the
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  first half, you'd like to get Shipley involved there and
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  catch the ball a little bit more, throw some screens.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you're trying to open up your playbook. Shipley's
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  the type of guy that can help you do that.
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  Speaker 3: I will go on out on a limb and say this.
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  Speaker 1: I was very, very disappointed the way they used uh
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  Rashot Penny a couple of years ago. I will go
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  out and a limt will say that AJ Dillon will have.
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  Speaker 3: A bigger role.
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  Speaker 1: I was way off on Penny. Now, I don't know
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  if I was off. They never gave him a shot,
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  but I guess there's I was off by not giving
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  him the shot. But yeah, I think Dylan will have
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  a bigger role than Rashad Penny did. Who I was
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  very excited when they got Penny. I said, oh man,
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  this guy's been a beast. Uh they never gave him
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  the ball ever, And I think Dylan will have a
• 17:15
  bigger role there. So we'll watch that all materialize an unfold.
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  It all starts on Thursday night next week. You could
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  listen to the Eagles and the Bengals right here on
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  ninety seven three ESPN and Football at four each and
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  every day. I know Frank wants to ask you a
• 17:29
  Phillies question.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Jeff, your boy Ramon Loriano. Is this the year
• 17:32
  the Phillies finally get him?
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  Speaker 2: No, I wish I love Ramond Mariano.
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  Speaker 4: He's not the player that he used to be when
• 17:39
  he was with Who's in Oakland? Yeah, no, I tell
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  you I did staying with Oakland. My dream scenario was
• 17:48
  that the A's would trade both Rooker and Miller to
• 17:51
  the Phillies, and I would honestly give up any any
• 17:54
  prospect package, even Andrew Painter to get those two.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: But I don't know that's gonna happen.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a late report here that the Phillies are
• 18:01
  calling the A's back to see if Miller could be had.
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  I don't know that Rooker. I don't think they want
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  to move Rooker, but possibly Miller. Who knows man.
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  Speaker 4: Pretty gutsy of them to Pitcher Painter today, by the way,
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  and play Crawford.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would think that that.
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  Speaker 1: Is a pretty good indication that Painter is not getting traded.
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  Speaker 2: That was I thought that as well.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, weirdly, Griffin jacks Picked pitched for the Twins today,
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  so I know, it's kind of weird the messages teams
• 18:29
  are sending there.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: They're taking some risks here. But yeah, I thought Painter
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  is starting.
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  Speaker 4: Today, especially with him coming back from the surgery, meant
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  that he is very very very unlikely to get traded.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I would agree with that, by the way.
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  Speaker 4: Which also then makes me think that the Phillies are
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  very very very unlikely to really land a home run
• 18:45
  kind of player in this trade deadline.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: The Mets have acquired right handed pitcher Tyler Rogers from
• 18:52
  the Giants. His brother, Taylor Rogers, was traded earlier this week,
• 18:56
  so the Mets have now added another bullpen arm in
• 18:59
  the addition to Gregory Soto.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I listen, give me Duran. I'll be pretty happy
• 19:05
  with that. From the TWI no no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 19:08
  Well that's what they want. Well, of course they want that,
• 19:12
  by the way.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of plastering I think going on because Ken
• 19:15
  Rosenthal the same report that connects the Phillies to Miller.
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  He also says the Dodgers are not in on a big,
• 19:22
  high end reliever like Duran, so we'll see. I think
• 19:26
  that I think teams are playing the media against stay tuned, right.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Does that I've never been that before?
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  Speaker 1: No? Seriously, though, has that like if you've ever been
• 19:35
  in that situation where people feed you stuff to try
• 19:37
  to get it out there that has no barry.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, And I've generally was pretty good at it because
• 19:43
  I have a pretty good BS meter.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: I did one.
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  Speaker 4: Time, very early in my career, not report something but
• 19:50
  insinuate something that in my mind didn't make sense and
• 19:53
  I shouldn't have, and you know, I realized, So don't.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Call you know, hey, Jeff, you know we are making
• 19:58
  calls to try to get said wider receiver in hopes
• 20:01
  that you put that out there with no intention of
• 20:03
  getting said wide receiver, so that other teams around the
• 20:05
  league are like, oh, the Eagles are interested in a
• 20:07
  wide receiver.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: It's all usually another way around.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: I try to talk to the other teams, not the
• 20:12
  team that I cover, to see who's calling them, also
• 20:16
  knowing that there's a BS meter involved with them too.
• 20:20
  So so it works both ways. But usually the team
• 20:23
  that you cover is really not trying to advertise to
• 20:25
  the local guys who they're going after. But you can
• 20:28
  get good info from other teams who hear about. Like
• 20:32
  if you know your a team is going to make
• 20:33
  a trade but not with your team, but you know
• 20:35
  that they're exploring the market, that team is pretty good
• 20:38
  at knowing who's asking for what. I've gotten a lot
• 20:40
  of accurate, actually accurate information from teams that were sort
• 20:45
  of only involved because they knew the landscape.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Well, there, you got a little insight on a trade
• 20:51
  deadline situation from Jeff Boscher from the Inside of the
• 20:54
  Birds podcast and Phillyboys dot Com as he joined us
• 20:57
  here on the Sports Batch for today's football for It.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Jeff, you got it, guys.