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Sharri | 21 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening Big Show tonight. The Albanezy government accused of
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Speaker 2: raiding the nation's nest egg to fund Labour's green dream
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Speaker 2: and ideological whims from a future. Fund chairs have come
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Speaker 2: out to condemn this misuse of money for pet causes.
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Speaker 3: More on that shortly.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, the horrific rampage of anti Semitic vandalism in
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Speaker 2: Sydney and how the Albanesi government has not lifted a
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Speaker 2: finger over.
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Speaker 3: The past year.
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Speaker 2: My take on this in a moment, and Federal Court
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Speaker 2: Justice Michael Lee of Bruce Lehman Fame weighs in on
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Speaker 2: this rise of anti Semitism in Australia.
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Speaker 3: My exclusive on that.
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Speaker 2: A little later, but first tonight, this was distressing to
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Speaker 2: wake up to today, the spate of anti Jewish vandalism
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Speaker 2: in Sydney overnight.
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Speaker 3: In the very streets where we live, eat and.
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Speaker 2: Work, a car torched up to a dozen others, spray
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Speaker 2: painted and aparmer building a restaurant with anti Semitic graffiti.
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Speaker 2: CCTV shows two hooded men in dark clothing and wearing
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Speaker 2: face masks leeing leaving the attacks.
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Speaker 3: Now this is how it unfolded.
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Speaker 2: The evil captured on cameras not long after the attack.
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Speaker 2: Now we don't know for sure who did this, but
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Speaker 2: the graffiti PKK is coming was sprayed on some cars,
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Speaker 2: a reference perhaps to a Kurdish terror group. Now this
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Speaker 2: took place across several streets in Wallara, near a synagogue,
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Speaker 2: also a Jewish care facility. Even Matt Moran's restaurant, Chiswick
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Speaker 2: was spray painted. And he said today that there's no
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Speaker 2: place for this in our community. This criminal anti Semitic
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Speaker 2: violence is now too much, it's gone too far. But
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's only response is a pathetic written statement
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Speaker 2: where he said the conflict in Israel and Gaza shouldn't
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Speaker 2: be brought to Australia, even though it's exactly what his
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Speaker 2: ministers keep doing. Alberizi said there is no place for
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Speaker 2: antisemitism in Australia. Conflict overseas cannot be made a platform
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Speaker 2: for prejudice at home. He says he has trust in
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Speaker 2: our law enforcement agencies to deal with this. But how
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Speaker 2: can Albanezi expect the conflict overseas not to play out
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Speaker 2: at home when he's senior ministers keep making highly provocative
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Speaker 2: statements against Israel, statements that don't keep the peace, that
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Speaker 2: risk inciting anger and hatred against Israelis and Jews, Statements
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Speaker 2: like this, you.
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Speaker 1: Can't bomb your way to peace.
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Speaker 4: I think the last twelve months have shyness that the
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Speaker 4: bombing has killed tens of thousands of people in Gaza,
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Speaker 4: in Lebanon, more than a thousand people murdered in Israel
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Speaker 4: as well.
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Speaker 5: An estimate of one point seven million people in Gaza
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Speaker 5: are internally displaced, and there are increasingly few safe places
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Speaker 5: for Palestinians to go. What Australia would say is Israel
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Speaker 5: must now exercise special care in relation to these civilians,
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Speaker 5: and not doing so would have devastating consequences.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke, He's Home Affairs Minister. He's in charge of
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Speaker 2: our safety and our national security.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 3: Back in June, he.
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Speaker 2: Posted on x about Islamophobia. He said that he's seen
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Speaker 2: discussing examples of graffiti dehumanizing to Palestinians and other examples
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Speaker 2: that are clear Islamophobia circulating online. Yet curiously nothing today
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Speaker 2: on his ex account after last night's attacks. Why can't
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister tell his own ministers to stop aggravating
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Speaker 2: tensions and potentially inflaming anti Semitism when already we're at
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Speaker 2: such a dangerous inflection point, and according to Jewish leadership,
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Speaker 2: it's only getting worse. The Executive Council of Australian Juries
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Speaker 2: Alex Rivkin says the anti Israel movement is now getting
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Speaker 2: more extreme and more violent. He said, and I quote,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't stopped at the Upper House steps, it wasn't
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Speaker 2: stopped at the pro Hamas encampments, and it wasn't stopped
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Speaker 2: at the hate preachers. Now Australians are waking up to
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Speaker 2: find their property destroyed and their suburbs violated. And the
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Speaker 2: night Leies front cover tonight compares what we saw in
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Speaker 2: Sydney last night in Australia in twenty twenty four with
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Speaker 2: Vienna in nineteen thirty eight Deja vu, it says, capturing
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Speaker 2: the sentiment that so many Australians feel as we watch
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Speaker 2: this horror unfold now. In an interview this morning, both
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Speaker 2: Ray Hadley and Peter Dutton so that Albin Ezy and
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Speaker 2: Penny Wang we're to blame for not showing leadership against
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Speaker 2: this anti Semitic violence.
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Speaker 7: For months and months the weak merely mouthed words out
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Speaker 7: of the Prime Minister I think have just given encouragement
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Speaker 7: to these lunatics. Mister Albanzi has allowed it, and it's
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Speaker 7: sent a very clear message that you know, we've got
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Speaker 7: tolerance for a bit of anti Semitism, and the Prime
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Speaker 7: Minister coming out today to condemn these attacks. Frankly, they're
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Speaker 7: just hollow words and I think ultimately an insult somehow
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Speaker 7: the Albanzi government, through Penny Wong and Anthony Alberizi, somehow
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Speaker 7: I think that this level of violence is okay.
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Speaker 1: It's just not.
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Speaker 3: As he says.
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Speaker 2: The Albaneze government seems to have set a tone where
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Speaker 2: there is tolerance for a bit of antisemitism. They don't
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Speaker 2: seem to think it's a massive problem, but it is
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Speaker 2: a massive problem. It is criminal and today police set
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Speaker 2: up as strike force to track down the perpetrators, describing
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Speaker 2: this as a hate crime.
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Speaker 1: It is brazen, it.
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Speaker 8: Is offensive. The behavior of the people who did it
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Speaker 8: is disgusting. This incident is an isolated incident. Those vehicles,
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Speaker 8: like I said, there were ten that were graffitied, and
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Speaker 8: there were three premises and that's all that we have
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Speaker 8: at the moment. And it hasn't been anything of this
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Speaker 8: similar type of graffiti in recent times.
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Speaker 2: Now, like others, I took exception to that police description
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Speaker 2: of this as an isolated incident, because it's certainly not
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Speaker 2: an isolated incident. Her Maas has been spray painted on
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Speaker 2: buildings across the East over and over again, not just
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Speaker 2: in Sydney but in mel As well over the past year.
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Speaker 2: In Sydney's East in Bondai, a kosher kitchen, Missus Lewis's,
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Speaker 2: were set alight in what police said was a suspected
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Speaker 2: arson attack. They've been investigating for weeks still no update.
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Speaker 2: Avner's Bakery in Surrey Hills was also vandalized, with a
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Speaker 2: threatening note left under the door.
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Speaker 3: No answers there either.
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Speaker 2: You could be forgiven for thinking that the thugs just
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Speaker 2: get away with this behavior and Shadow Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 2: James Patterson today said that the fact that the law
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Speaker 2: hasn't been enforced means that this violence is only escalating.
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Speaker 9: I am concerned with the approach that they've taken across
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Speaker 9: the country since the seventh of October. I think they
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Speaker 9: have been too permissive with some of the behaviors that
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Speaker 9: we've seen. It's astonishing to me that it took twelve
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Speaker 9: months before the first charges were laid under federal legislation
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Speaker 9: about the display of prohibited symbols, hate symbols like the
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Speaker 9: Nazi swastika, like hesbala and hamas flags. That law has
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Speaker 9: been repeatedly flattered in our country, week in week out,
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Speaker 9: in our major cities, and there have been no consequences
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Speaker 9: for the people breaking that law, and as a result
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Speaker 9: of that that become emboldened. I'm also concerned that our
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Speaker 9: incitement to violence provisions have not been enforced because the
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Speaker 9: message that extremists have taken from this lack of action
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Speaker 9: and this failure to enforce the law is that there
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Speaker 9: are no consequences for their behavior, and that is why
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Speaker 9: it's escalating.
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Speaker 2: Excellent points as always from James Patterson. Now, as you know,
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Speaker 2: just recently Benjaminette and Yaho had to send planes to
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Speaker 2: Amsterdam to rescue two thousand Jews. Well, now, Israel's clearly
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Speaker 2: concerned about what's going on in Australia, because the Israeli
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Speaker 2: Embassy said in a statement that there needs to be
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Speaker 2: and I quote immediate measures to protect and uphold the
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Speaker 2: rights and safety of all citizens. Dave Sharma, a liberal
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Speaker 2: Senator stood beside Labor MP Josh Burns today and they
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Speaker 2: spoke about how Jewish Australians are feeling under threat and
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Speaker 2: how attacks like this are designed to intimidate.
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Speaker 10: This is an attack that's designed to menace, intimidate and
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Speaker 10: silence one group of Australians. Only it took place in
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Speaker 10: the heart of Sydney's Jewish community and it has no
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Speaker 10: place in Australia. This community of Australians. Jewish Australians have
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Speaker 10: been feeling besieged and under threat for the past year
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Speaker 10: and it simply has to stop.
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Speaker 11: To target the Jewish community in Sydney in their homes
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Speaker 11: and on the streets is anti Semitism, plain and simple,
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Speaker 11: and the sort of vandalism and the sort of violence
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Speaker 11: we saw last night has no place in Australia.
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Speaker 3: And they're right.
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Speaker 2: This attack last night in the heart of where we
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Speaker 2: live and work was purely designed to intimidate not just
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Speaker 2: our Jewish community but all Australians. It's designed to bully
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Speaker 2: Jews and those who support Israel into silence. But we
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Speaker 2: won't let these thugs succeed. Yes, we demand better from
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Speaker 2: police and from politicians, absolutely, but we won't be intimidated.
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Speaker 2: We won't be scared away by anti Semites aligned with
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Speaker 2: the far right, aligned with Islamic extremism, or with the
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Speaker 2: radical hard left. These anti Semites who try to bully
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Speaker 2: us on social media and on our streets, well, I
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Speaker 2: say to you, you don't share the values of what
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Speaker 2: it means to be Australian. Your hatred doesn't belong here.
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Speaker 2: We refuse to be terrorized or scared into submission by brutal,
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Speaker 2: rampaging thugs on our streets or by hateful, fraudulent feminists
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Speaker 2: on social media. Stand proud, stay strong, And to those
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Speaker 2: who spray paint f Israel, I say, the people of
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Speaker 2: Israel live. Yes, rah el hi. Okay, We've got a
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Speaker 2: lot to cover tonight, but I want to get reaction
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Speaker 2: first from someone who was there this morning, who woke
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Speaker 2: up on these streets to this graffiti. Elliot Spira joins me.
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Speaker 2: Now his building is on the same street in Wulara
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Speaker 2: where this attack took place. Elliott, thank you for speaking out,
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Speaker 2: for having the courage to be here despite those attacks overnight.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell us about how you woke up to
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Speaker 2: the news this morning.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I actually didn't realize what had happened. Overnight I
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Speaker 12: woke up. I wasn't aware, but my wife got up
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Speaker 12: to take care of ourt six month old.
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Speaker 6: During the night there was commotion on the street.
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Speaker 1: It woke them.
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Speaker 12: She got him back to sleep, and this morning after
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Speaker 12: that night, I went to get his carrier from the car.
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Speaker 12: Walking him down the street, I noticed some graffiti and
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Speaker 12: I saw soon thereafter that it said f Israel right
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Speaker 12: there the car outside my building. And I got to say,
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Speaker 12: I was really disappointed, but not all that much surprised,
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Speaker 12: because unfortunately this has become a reality for the Jewish
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Speaker 12: community living here in Sydney, Australia, since October seventh, twenty
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Speaker 12: twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, you're right, and you know, I think clearly the
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Speaker 2: police have every intention. They've said that today they're putting
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Speaker 2: a lot of resources into.
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Speaker 3: This particular strike force.
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Speaker 2: But the police commander who stood up there and said
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Speaker 2: this is an isolated incident, well, it's just wrong because
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Speaker 2: this is now an established.
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Speaker 3: Pattern of behavior.
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Speaker 2: We had the convoys that went through the suburbs not
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Speaker 2: that long ago. We've seen protests outside synagogues, we've seen
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Speaker 2: extensive graffiti everywhere. But yet they can stand up there
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Speaker 2: and say this is isolated, that's that's not how it
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Speaker 2: feels to the community, is.
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Speaker 6: It not at all?
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Speaker 12: I mean, you only have to cast your mind back
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Speaker 12: to two days after the greatest loss of Jewish life
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Speaker 12: since Holocausts, October ninth, outside the Sydney Opera House, great
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Speaker 12: symbol and icon of our city, and a hateful mob
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Speaker 12: calling for you effing the Jews. And I'll leave it
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Speaker 12: to your interpretation whether it's gassing the Jews or not.
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Speaker 12: But my opinion is it doesn't really matter. For a
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Speaker 12: mob to have that much hatred towards any group of
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Speaker 12: people inside Australia is just not on and it's on
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Speaker 12: Australian and I think that the fact that it took
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Speaker 12: over a year to actually do anything about it, and
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Speaker 12: then the limited extent to which has been prosecuted, it
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Speaker 12: doesn't fill the community with a lot of hope.
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Speaker 2: And even the hate preachers the day before that they
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Speaker 2: were just allowed to get away with saying they were related,
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Speaker 2: that the terror attacks should be incitement to violence.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, and it continues everywhere. It continues with politicians who
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Speaker 12: have hollow words. But at the same time, I'm freeze
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Speaker 12: funding fun and right, despite being complicit and actively involved
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Speaker 12: in fact in the events of October seventh and everything
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Speaker 12: that happened since you know, it goes to well, the
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Speaker 12: labor government is doing some part of them, but it's
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Speaker 12: just reality. Money is being taken toaxpayer money for social
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Speaker 12: cohesion is going towards groups that actually support hamas and.
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Speaker 6: Fall in terrorst So it's shocking. It's totally ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: Now you were actually living in Tel Aviv with your
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Speaker 2: pregnant wife at the time that October seven happened. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, you left Israel because of the terror that
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Speaker 2: was unfolding to make sure your new baby, just six
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Speaker 2: months old, is safe, and now you're living on a
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Speaker 2: street where this happens.
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Speaker 12: We actually left just before we left, you know, two
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Speaker 12: weeks beforehand, to come from my cousin's wedding, and very
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Speaker 12: soon thereafter it happened, and it is truly shocking. Her
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Speaker 12: family currently actually refugees from the north from a large
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Speaker 12: city up there, Qhmuna, and they've been living in hotels
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Speaker 12: in the center of the country for a very long time.
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Speaker 12: It's quite a crazy situation. And yet here we are
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Speaker 12: and the these events unfolding and despite living under rockefire
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Speaker 12: there or having terrorist events occurring on not a regular basis,
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Speaker 12: but often enough, today's sort of hits differently, just feeling
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Speaker 12: a lot more isolated and just disappointed because the community
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Speaker 12: just feels like we're a very different group in Australia.
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Speaker 2: In Israel, there's a lot of solidarity amongst all Israelis,
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Speaker 2: regardless of religion, but unfortunately we're seeing this breakdown in
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Speaker 2: social cohesion in Australia totally. Elliott, thank you for being here,
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Speaker 2: really appreciate it.
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Speaker 6: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: All Right, Well, we're going to come back to that
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Speaker 2: a bit later on, but now let's talk about the
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Speaker 2: Future Fund and to discuss I'm joined by Perth Mayor
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Speaker 2: Basil Zemplus and commentator Jason Morrison.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Treasurer has rewritten the two hundred and thirty
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Speaker 2: billion dollar Future Fund to prioritize investments in green energy,
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Speaker 2: housing and infrastructure. Now, this is the first time the
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Speaker 2: federal government has actually mandated specific asset classes for the
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Speaker 2: fund and we've seen it be widely criticized. Today the
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Speaker 2: first Future Fund Chairman, David Murray, he's slammed the idea.
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Speaker 2: He said it could jeopardize returns and also would risk
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Speaker 2: the fund's independence. Now the Treasurer Jim Chalmers disagreed. Here's
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Speaker 2: what he ought to say.
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Speaker 13: But David Murray is not on this occasion correct. He
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Speaker 13: is factually wrong to make the comments that he is making.
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Speaker 13: Fund will be required to consider the national priorities in
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Speaker 13: its investment decisions where possible, where appropriate and consistent with
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Speaker 13: strong returns.
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Speaker 2: But Opposition Leader Peter Dutton was furious about this change
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Speaker 2: to the Future Fund.
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Speaker 3: Here he was in Parliament.
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Speaker 14: Labour is now raiding the nation's nestig to cover its
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Speaker 14: economic failures. Prom minis to wire Australian's paying for the
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Speaker 14: Albansi government's economic incompetence basil.
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Speaker 2: Now, this was always going to be a controversial move,
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Speaker 2: the idea of using an independent body for political purposes.
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Speaker 3: Do you think this is concerning?
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Speaker 1: Independent is the key word here.
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Speaker 15: The Future Fund was set up some time ago to
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Speaker 15: look after the future generations of Australians and in particular
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Speaker 15: safeguard their superannuation, to make sure that subsequent generations of
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Speaker 15: Australians can be looked after and know that their savings
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Speaker 15: are safe.
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Speaker 1: So independence being the key.
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Speaker 15: Word means it is not for the government of the
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Speaker 15: day of whichever persuasion, to be meddling and suggesting to
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Speaker 15: the Board that they make certain investments in particular priority
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Speaker 15: areas of the government of that day infrastructure, green energy,
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Speaker 15: new technologies as it turns out in this instance, and
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Speaker 15: if Jim Chalmers is absolutely right, well they would be
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Speaker 15: investing in these things anyway, because we know the Independent
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Speaker 15: Board's priority is to maximize returns. So let the Independent
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Speaker 15: Board do what they do best. They'll find the winners.
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Speaker 15: It's not for government to be directing them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, and we saw that. You know, Peter Costello
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Speaker 2: as well has come out in a lengthy interview with
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Speaker 2: The Australian. He said that the Future Fund was never
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Speaker 2: set up to be a political slush fund to finance,
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Speaker 2: as you say, Basil, the whims of the government of
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Speaker 2: the day.
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Speaker 3: Jason.
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Speaker 2: You know, I think the moment that Greg Combey came
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Speaker 2: in replacing Costello, there was always a risk that something
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Speaker 2: like this was going to happen.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, they put one of their boys in who had
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Speaker 16: no track record at all in running a fund of
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Speaker 16: this caliber, and look what's happened. It's become a plaything.
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Speaker 16: The thing that frightens me about this is that to
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Speaker 16: have charmers who really in life in business has achieved
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Speaker 16: that tell someone like Murray and criticized Costello, and criticize
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Speaker 16: the Fund for that matter, that what eighteen years ago
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Speaker 16: started with about fifty billion in the bank and has
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Speaker 16: now for around two to twenty billion.
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Speaker 17: It doesn't make losses. It does well.
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Speaker 16: It does very very well, and it is well ahead
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Speaker 16: of the tide of its obligations of four or five
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Speaker 16: percent growth.
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Speaker 17: It's doing exceptionally well and its job.
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Speaker 16: And here's this bloke that's done not very much in
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Speaker 16: his life other than outside of politics, telling them how
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Speaker 16: they should do things and what investments they should dip
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Speaker 16: their investment eyes towards. I find it staggering, but I
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Speaker 16: find the arrogance of the man to be more thege.
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Speaker 17: No one is really shocked.
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Speaker 16: This is what labor does, because labor has a habit
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Speaker 16: of doing what it can with its institutions in order
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Speaker 16: to achieve its outcome. And we've seen that for really
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Speaker 16: generations in this country.
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Speaker 17: But this is a step too far.
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Speaker 16: And if he was so wise about these kind of investments,
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Speaker 16: you've got to stop and wonder why isn't.
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Speaker 17: The government doing it itself.
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Speaker 16: And there's a good damn reason for that is because
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Speaker 16: the returns are simply not there and the money is
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Speaker 16: not there, so leave the super fund alone.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think this is going to continue to be
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Speaker 2: a big issue. It could even become a pivotal election issue.
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Speaker 2: So we're going to keep following this. Now, social media
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Speaker 2: giants could be slapped with a fifty million dollar fine.
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Speaker 2: This is under the new proposed legislation by the Albanese
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Speaker 2: government to make sure that under sixteens are not on
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Speaker 2: social media sites. So any company that systematically breaches the
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Speaker 2: age verification laws would face this financial penalty.
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Speaker 3: Now, not everyone's on board with this.
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Speaker 2: Independent Senator Jackie Lambee was on Sky earlier. She criticized
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Speaker 2: Labor for not providing the actual draft legislation.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 3: It is absolutely despicable.
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Speaker 18: How serious is the government that they want this through
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Speaker 18: and we haven't even seen a draft you know that.
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Speaker 17: What do they want to do?
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Speaker 18: Just put it in there and without us looking at it.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but.
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Speaker 18: They might be things where what can make amendments make
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Speaker 18: it even better? And same with other people out they're
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Speaker 18: making those amendments to make it better.
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Speaker 3: We'll give us the bloody draft.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk has also criticized this on X. He said,
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Speaker 2: and I quote, seems like a backdoor way to control
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Speaker 2: access to the Internet by all US Australians. Now, Basil
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Speaker 2: Mask's point, and there's actually a correction on how bit
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Speaker 2: Easy's ex post that says the legislation will require age
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Speaker 2: verification of all users, including adults, to use social media.
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Speaker 2: We don't know necessarily if this is true because we
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Speaker 2: haven't seen the legislation. But Basil, if that is true,
21:23
Speaker 2: do you think it's going too far?
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Speaker 1: I think it is at the moment.
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Speaker 15: By the way, you can give your date of birth
21:30
Speaker 15: to X, and I think that allows you to be
21:33
Speaker 15: fast tracked when you might be trying to see certain
21:36
Speaker 15: types of contact that have some sort of limitations on it.
21:39
Speaker 15: So that already exists. But it's an opt in or
21:42
Speaker 15: opt out. If it was mandatory, then it is going
21:45
Speaker 15: a step too far. But I am in the camp
21:48
Speaker 15: that says, listen, we've wanted to bring social media usage
21:52
Speaker 15: under control for our.
21:53
Speaker 1: Younger people for some time.
21:55
Speaker 15: We've spoken about it now here, we are trying something
21:59
Speaker 15: I wouldn't like the pile on that's happening right at
22:01
Speaker 15: the moment to go on unfettered, because we've got to
22:04
Speaker 15: give something a go. And we know these giants can
22:07
Speaker 15: do stuff if they need to, if they really want
22:10
Speaker 15: who they can, Let's let's give it a try and
22:13
Speaker 15: see how it works out. But Jackie Lamby is right,
22:15
Speaker 15: she should be able to see the legislation. We should
22:17
Speaker 15: all be able to see it well, Jason.
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Speaker 2: It's also unclear how social media platforms are meant to
22:23
Speaker 2: police this.
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Speaker 16: Yeah. Look, I differ with you, Basil on this. I
22:30
Speaker 16: do the parenting in my household. I control it now
22:33
Speaker 16: before I left here control.
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Speaker 2: The parenting, Jason. I know your wife Heidi, and I'm
22:38
Speaker 2: sure she would disagree with your kindness that you do
22:41
Speaker 2: all the parenting.
22:43
Speaker 1: We control it.
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Speaker 17: I mean I control I tell you the parenting I control.
22:46
Speaker 1: Here is a thing.
22:48
Speaker 16: You pull it out and they can't. They can't play
22:51
Speaker 16: on it anymore. That's how you're in control of it.
22:54
Speaker 16: And I think you know I would like the government
22:56
Speaker 16: to solve the problem we have with the kids fighting,
22:59
Speaker 16: or with the high a lot of other things going on,
23:01
Speaker 16: but the fundamentally comes back to a point. It's your job,
23:04
Speaker 16: and I don't think that the solution here is to
23:07
Speaker 16: find a government solution.
23:08
Speaker 17: I've got a twelve year old who.
23:09
Speaker 16: Can find his way around anything, and the only thing
23:12
Speaker 16: he can't find his way around is me pulling the
23:14
Speaker 16: thing out of the wall.
23:15
Speaker 17: That's the only thing he can't stop yet.
23:17
Speaker 16: And you know, and I think it's sort of at
23:19
Speaker 16: the stage now where we can go and hope there's
23:21
Speaker 16: a solution here, and we can go and pray that
23:24
Speaker 16: the government gets the policy things right, but down to
23:27
Speaker 16: kids who have a desire to.
23:29
Speaker 17: Want to do something. And you don't have to go
23:31
Speaker 17: too far in life to find that.
23:32
Speaker 16: Kids find their way around their parents' rules all the time.
23:36
Speaker 16: And you know, right now there's fourteen year old sitting
23:38
Speaker 16: in parks drinking grog and they are it and bought it.
23:42
Speaker 17: Illegally as well. They will always find a way.
23:45
Speaker 16: The only thing that will stop it is by parents
23:48
Speaker 16: doing their job, not by relying on Elon Musk's coding
23:53
Speaker 16: or by Anthony Albanesi's legislation. And I just think this
23:56
Speaker 16: is such an art of waste of time, and I
23:58
Speaker 16: hope it falls down because I do have the concerns
24:01
Speaker 16: that have been expressed that we're giving them a little
24:03
Speaker 16: inch here and you know what will happen next, And
24:06
Speaker 16: I don't trust this.
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Speaker 2: Mob all right, A bit of debate about that still
24:11
Speaker 2: to come.
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Speaker 17: But thank you for setting me straight on the parenting too.
24:14
Speaker 17: That's very important.
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Speaker 15: So we've saved a brawl that was obvious, Jason, that
24:19
Speaker 15: was obvious, that definitely needed an intervention from me, a correction.
24:24
Speaker 3: Live on it now.
24:26
Speaker 2: Just lastly, this is really tragic this news coming out
24:28
Speaker 2: of Layos today. One of two Melbourne teenagers on life
24:32
Speaker 2: support who had been poisoned on a night out has
24:36
Speaker 2: sadly died. This is nineteen year old Bianca Jones. She
24:40
Speaker 2: was supposed to be on the trip of a lifetime
24:41
Speaker 2: with her best friend Polly. The two reportedly had their
24:45
Speaker 2: drinks laced with methanol. Absolutely every parent's worst nightmare, Basil.
24:52
Speaker 1: It's so shocking, isn't it.
24:53
Speaker 15: I mean, here we are, Jason and I are paiding
24:56
Speaker 15: various methods of parenting and I think we all accept
24:58
Speaker 15: we're all coming from a good place. And then there
25:01
Speaker 15: are some parents in Melbourne who no longer have their
25:04
Speaker 15: teenage daughter because of this absolute tragedy, a heinous crime,
25:09
Speaker 15: whether accidental or otherwise, just absolutely horrific. And we send
25:15
Speaker 15: our young kids overseas. It's a bit of a rite
25:17
Speaker 15: of passage. We want them to go and discover the world.
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Speaker 15: We tell them to be careful, We teach them as
25:22
Speaker 15: much as we can, but you can't be in control
25:24
Speaker 15: of every situation. These kids doing what so many Aussie
25:27
Speaker 15: kids have done, and we're in the wrong place at
25:29
Speaker 15: the wrong time.
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Speaker 1: Our heart goes out.
25:31
Speaker 15: To them, their families, their friends, their loved ones, and
25:35
Speaker 15: it just breaks your heart, doesn't it.
25:37
Speaker 1: I mean, it is such an.
25:38
Speaker 15: Australian thing to have gone and done, and that one
25:41
Speaker 15: of them will not be coming home. It's almost incon
25:46
Speaker 15: incomprehensible and utterly heartbreaking.
25:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, it truly is really devastating. All right, Basil zamplus
25:53
Speaker 2: Jason Morrison, thank you both very much for you a shance. Now,
25:58
Speaker 2: just before we go to a break, we've been talking
26:00
Speaker 2: a lot about antisemitism. Now you might remember Justice Michael Lee.
26:04
Speaker 2: He presided over Bruce Lohman's defamation trial. He rose to
26:09
Speaker 2: prominence in that role. He has tonight made a major
26:13
Speaker 2: intervention in our social cohesion crisis. He says that we
26:17
Speaker 2: need to shine a light on antisemitism. This is an
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Speaker 2: exclusive story I'm bringing you right now.
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Speaker 3: Justice Michael Lee has.
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Speaker 2: Given me a copy of a speech that he's delivering
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Speaker 2: tonight where he says we need to shine a light
26:30
Speaker 2: on antisemitism when we need to reflect on its cause.
26:33
Speaker 2: He says Justice Michael Lee that since the October seven
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Speaker 2: terror attacks against Israel, he's had a stark and discomforting
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Speaker 2: realization that despite living our whole lives in this country
26:45
Speaker 2: and thinking we knew it so well, we do not
26:48
Speaker 2: now recognize an aspect of it.
26:50
Speaker 3: Those are his words.
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Speaker 2: He says, the growth and mainstreaming of antisemitism we've all
26:55
Speaker 2: seen emerge over the last thirteen months must be tackled,
26:59
Speaker 2: but understand and how it is to be tackled requires
27:01
Speaker 2: some understanding of how we got to where we are now.
27:05
Speaker 2: He quotes in his speech the Racial Discrimination Act. It's
27:08
Speaker 2: about to reach its fiftieth anniversary, and he makes the
27:11
Speaker 2: point that Jewish people are protected from discrimination and vilification
27:16
Speaker 2: under the Act because the laws provide that they can
27:19
Speaker 2: be classified as an ethnic group. But he goes on
27:22
Speaker 2: to say, but the law has gone and will only
27:26
Speaker 2: go so far. No one in this room would be
27:29
Speaker 2: under any misapprehension as to the scope of the present problem.
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Speaker 6: Now.
27:34
Speaker 2: He also says that good leadership can make a difference
27:38
Speaker 2: on antisemitism, and he mentions in his speech that he's
27:41
Speaker 2: on the board of an institute at the Western Sydney University,
27:44
Speaker 2: and he says that despite this university having the largest
27:48
Speaker 2: Muslim population of any university in Australia, he says, I
27:52
Speaker 2: was pleased to see it has had no encampments and
27:55
Speaker 2: the leadership of the university spoke out promptly and firmly
27:59
Speaker 2: against At his sim midic speech, that's worth me mentioning
28:03
Speaker 2: that Justice Michael Lee is not Jewish, but his wife
28:06
Speaker 2: is is, and he's giving this speech tonight probably as
28:10
Speaker 2: we sit here and speak to the Jewish House fundraiser
28:13
Speaker 2: in Sydney. He laments the generation that's now going through
28:18
Speaker 2: Australia's education system, and he says, I do not think
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Speaker 2: it contentious to remark that what this community and all
28:25
Speaker 2: non Jews of goodwill need to confront is a deep
28:28
Speaker 2: and profound challenge how to educate and communicate effectively with
28:33
Speaker 2: a generation exposed to a system producing an apparently significant
28:38
Speaker 2: number of future leaders whose lack of a traditional Western
28:42
Speaker 2: historical education is matched by their sense of self righteous
28:47
Speaker 2: self righteousness and their willingness to sprout slogans.
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Speaker 3: We just know that too.
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Speaker 18: Well.
28:54
Speaker 2: His final message is that he encourages every person of
28:58
Speaker 2: good will to spread their light. He said that everyone
29:02
Speaker 2: can do their best to combat the dark forces that
29:06
Speaker 2: have emerged by shining a light on the problem together.
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Speaker 3: So huge, look.
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Speaker 2: Congratulations, and we have to commend Justice Michael Lee for
29:16
Speaker 2: using his position.
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Speaker 3: He's very popular in.
29:19
Speaker 2: The media industry and with the public. He's now intervened
29:23
Speaker 2: in the social cohesion crisis to stand up against anti Semitism,
29:28
Speaker 2: and I say thank you to Justice Michael Lee for that.
29:31
Speaker 2: Now still to come, we return to those scenes of
29:33
Speaker 2: antisemitic vandalism with a former FBI counter terrorism expert and
29:38
Speaker 2: Petty Wong grilled on our revelations last night that she
29:41
Speaker 2: acted against the advice of her own bureaucrats. Plus why
29:45
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen is so ideologically opposed to nuclear energy, all
29:50
Speaker 2: of that is coming up. Welcome back, well, Chris Bowen's
29:58
Speaker 2: ideological opposition to nuclear Yeah, that's coming up in a moment.
30:02
Speaker 2: But first, Penny Wang was grilled in the Senate today
30:05
Speaker 2: about why she rejected the recommendation of Australian diplomats at
30:10
Speaker 2: the United Nations and instead supported the one sided motion
30:15
Speaker 2: recognizing Palestinian sovereignty. This was my exclusive story last night.
30:20
Speaker 2: I revealed that Wog went against a recommendation made by
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Speaker 2: Australia's mission to the United Nations which suggested that we
30:28
Speaker 2: abstain from this resolution. Or here was Pennywog being pressed
30:32
Speaker 2: on this today?
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Speaker 19: Did defact or Australia's UN mission recommend that Australia maintain
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Speaker 19: a position of abstain on the UN resolution regarding permanent
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Speaker 19: sovereignty of the Palestinian people? Why did you overturn their recommendation?
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Speaker 5: The inviters consistent with the priority the Albanesi government places
30:54
Speaker 5: on building momentum towards a two state solution. The vote
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Speaker 5: in favor of this their solution by Australia was alongside
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Speaker 5: more than one hundred and fifty five members of the
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Speaker 5: international community, including the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Japan and
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Speaker 5: New Zealand.
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Speaker 2: YEP, she couldn't really answer the question on why she
31:16
Speaker 2: did not follow the recommendation of our diplomats or to
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Speaker 2: discuss this and more. I'm joined now by the director
31:23
Speaker 2: of counter Terrorism and Intelligence Program at the Washington Institute
31:27
Speaker 2: and former FBI analyst, Matthew Levett.
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Speaker 3: Matthew, thank you very much for joining me.
31:33
Speaker 2: Look what's your view on Australia supporting this resolution that
31:38
Speaker 2: was described by American officials as one sided and not
31:42
Speaker 2: conducive to the peace process.
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Speaker 20: Look at a former US government official. I'm sensitive to
31:47
Speaker 20: the fact that you want to follow the advice of
31:50
Speaker 20: your experts, that you pay good money to work on
31:53
Speaker 20: these issues. So it's telling if your un staff, if
31:58
Speaker 20: you're a staff at DEFAT is.
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Speaker 6: Need certain advice.
32:01
Speaker 20: I understand the desire of people who want to try
32:06
Speaker 20: and find a way to move forward from the past
32:09
Speaker 20: year plus of trauma on both the Israeli and Palestinian side.
32:13
Speaker 20: I just am not sure that pressing for recognition of
32:16
Speaker 20: a Palestinian state in the moment does it, because it
32:20
Speaker 20: just comes out of a parallel universe. There's no one
32:25
Speaker 20: to lead that Palestinian state, not Hamas, which is still
32:29
Speaker 20: fighting in Gaza, not Mahudabas which barely he barely controls
32:33
Speaker 20: the government in Ramala. What we need to do is
32:37
Speaker 20: to find ways to isolate Hamas, create something in Gaza
32:40
Speaker 20: that does not include Hamas, get that local Palestinian self
32:45
Speaker 20: rule established security for Israel. I am not giving up
32:49
Speaker 20: on the idea of a two state solution. I just
32:50
Speaker 20: recognize that's a twenty year prospect at this point, and
32:54
Speaker 20: failure to recognize that reality doesn't contribute to stability in
32:58
Speaker 20: the moment. It actually makes it likely because Israelis in particular,
33:02
Speaker 20: we'll look.
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Speaker 6: At you and just want to know what universe are
33:04
Speaker 6: you coming from?
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Speaker 2: Why are you rewarding Hamas for October seven because nothing's
33:08
Speaker 2: changed since then for any long to have this position. Now,
33:12
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about you know, these deplorable
33:15
Speaker 2: scenes that we saw in Sydney overnight where cars and
33:18
Speaker 2: buildings were vandalized, clearly anti Semitic attacks. This is an
33:23
Speaker 2: escalation of intimidation.
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Speaker 3: We haven't seen.
33:26
Speaker 2: Enough leadership in Australia over the past year, like in
33:29
Speaker 2: many global cities. You know, there've been protests outside synagogues also,
33:34
Speaker 2: they've been defaced. As a counter terrorism expert, what do
33:38
Speaker 2: you think needs to happen in Australia right now to
33:42
Speaker 2: avoid scenes like this escalating.
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Speaker 20: Look, I think it's really important for authorities to see
33:48
Speaker 20: this for what it is. You know, even if you
33:50
Speaker 20: were against Israel and Israeli policies, this kind of stuff
33:55
Speaker 20: against Israel, targeting local Jewish citizens is not opposing Israel.
34:03
Speaker 20: It's opposing these local Jewish citizens, and law enforcement has
34:07
Speaker 20: to take that seriously.
34:09
Speaker 6: Whether it's as a hate crime or something else.
34:12
Speaker 20: There's a role for law enforcement to get involved, not
34:15
Speaker 20: only once it happens, but in advance. And community policing
34:19
Speaker 20: isn't only about making the victimized community feel better after
34:23
Speaker 20: it happens. It's about going out and finding where this
34:26
Speaker 20: happened and making sure that the people involved in understand
34:29
Speaker 20: we're going to be enforcing the law.
34:31
Speaker 6: Now.
34:31
Speaker 20: Have the opportunity a couple of days ago in Melbourne
34:33
Speaker 20: to speak at the Australian New Zealand Police Conference on
34:36
Speaker 20: a panel on the impact of October seventh on policing.
34:42
Speaker 20: It wasn't unique to Australia and New Zealand. This is
34:44
Speaker 20: truly the United States or elsewhere, and this was part
34:46
Speaker 20: of my message to them.
34:47
Speaker 6: They have an opportunity to be.
34:49
Speaker 20: Part of the solution, but we have to enforce laws.
34:51
Speaker 20: We have to make clarity communities what those laws are.
34:54
Speaker 20: Something like this cannot go without a real serious response.
34:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely spot on them. They have
35:01
Speaker 2: not been anywhere near enough arrests, barely any related to
35:05
Speaker 2: this sort of behavior. Just finally, you're quite an expert
35:09
Speaker 2: on Hesbala, You've written a book on the terrorist group.
35:13
Speaker 2: We've seen reports over the past couple of weeks that
35:16
Speaker 2: there could be some sort of ceasefire deal between Israel
35:20
Speaker 2: and Hesbela and Lebanon. Doesn't look like that's going to
35:23
Speaker 2: eventuate now, not because of the Israel side of it.
35:26
Speaker 3: Where do you see this headed?
35:28
Speaker 20: So thank you for mentioning my book. The Australia version
35:30
Speaker 20: comes out in a week and a half. Thank you
35:31
Speaker 20: very much.
35:33
Speaker 6: Look, I think that there will be a ceasefire.
35:35
Speaker 20: Whether it happens right now or not is not yet determined. Hakstein,
35:41
Speaker 20: the US diplomat was in Lebanon, now he's in Israel.
35:45
Speaker 6: Has Bula even weighed in on it.
35:47
Speaker 20: There is a situation where Hasbela has been so pummeled
35:51
Speaker 20: that they desperately want a ceasefire. This ceasefire will come
35:55
Speaker 20: with a sixty day window to make sure that everybody's
35:58
Speaker 20: doing what they're supposed to do.
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Speaker 6: It's not going to be perfect.
36:02
Speaker 20: It's going to be trying to enforce un Scurity councilor
36:04
Speaker 20: Resolution seventeen oh one that ended.
36:07
Speaker 6: The last one was that never enforced.
36:09
Speaker 20: And so while there's no prospect of a better un
36:11
Speaker 20: Scurity Council resolution because of the makeup of the Security
36:14
Speaker 20: Council this time around, it has to be enforced, and
36:17
Speaker 20: the Israelis are on top of them making clear if
36:20
Speaker 20: the Lebanese Armed Forces or perhaps the UN contingent there
36:24
Speaker 20: UNIFIL fail to prevent Hasbala from coming in, the Israels
36:28
Speaker 20: are going to do what they need to do to
36:29
Speaker 20: protect their citizenry and they're going to prevent Hasbela from
36:32
Speaker 20: coming back to that border. But there's a real opportunity
36:35
Speaker 20: for a ceasefire, mostly because Israel created that opening by
36:40
Speaker 20: cutting Hasbella off at the knees, checking out the leadership.
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Speaker 2: We need a UN resolution against the UN for failing
36:46
Speaker 2: to enforce seventeen oh one since two thousands.
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Speaker 6: We can count on them to do that, all right, Matthew.
36:51
Speaker 2: Lovett really appreciate your time and your expertise.
36:53
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me.
36:55
Speaker 2: Now, coming up after the break, is the world embraces
36:58
Speaker 2: nuclear energy? Lay the content he needs to argue against
37:01
Speaker 2: the technology. Bowen accused now of a catastrophic mistake.
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Speaker 3: Well, what this means for labor with.
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Speaker 2: My panel Gary Hargrave and Graham Lloyd Next, welcome back
37:15
Speaker 2: with the battle over nuclear energy has hit new heights
37:18
Speaker 2: after Chris Bowen rejected a new agreement to speed up
37:22
Speaker 2: the deployment of the technology. This decision has been labeled
37:26
Speaker 2: by experts a catastrophic, strategic mistake, crazy and disappointing. Environment
37:33
Speaker 2: Minister Tanya Plibasek is trying to defend the decision, claiming
37:37
Speaker 2: that Libs keep pretending nuclear is wildly popular overseas. It's
37:42
Speaker 2: not nuclear?
37:43
Speaker 3: Is that its lowest share.
37:44
Speaker 2: In forty years of energy Globally more reactors are closing
37:49
Speaker 2: than opening. Well to fact check this, let's bring in
37:52
Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Gary Hargrave and associate editor at The
37:55
Speaker 2: Australian Graham Lloyd Graham, starting with you you make of
38:00
Speaker 2: tiny pluviusx comments and Chris Bowens move here.
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Speaker 21: Well, it's an extraordinary thing, Charion. It's really an illustration
38:09
Speaker 21: of where politics gets in the way of common sense
38:13
Speaker 21: and good policy. What we're talking about here is an
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Speaker 21: agreement at the cutting edge of nuclear research to develop
38:20
Speaker 21: these small reactors, and it's something that Australia has been
38:24
Speaker 21: involved in for the best part of the last decade.
38:27
Speaker 21: We have a very sophisticated nuclear apparatus here out at
38:32
Speaker 21: Lucas Heights and ASTO. They've been feeding into these programs.
38:38
Speaker 21: That program is being updated and rather than admit that
38:42
Speaker 21: Australia has something to do with developing these nuclear plants
38:46
Speaker 21: that may be deployed elsewhere in the world, Chris Bowens
38:50
Speaker 21: pulled us out. And really it's shortsighted, both diplomatically and
38:55
Speaker 21: certainly from a scientific and research point of view.
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Speaker 2: And also you know, in terms of getting to a
39:01
Speaker 2: net zero position, which of the government says at once
39:04
Speaker 2: to do. Gary, isn't Australia now increasingly out of step
39:08
Speaker 2: with our counterparts international countries, like minded nations.
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Speaker 22: Scharry I got to say, I think the average Australian
39:17
Speaker 22: has got it worked out. They know this bloke Bowen
39:20
Speaker 22: is an idiot. They not Tania Plivasek is also a
39:23
Speaker 22: sovereign risk, and they're blaming the Prime Minister. We are
39:26
Speaker 22: completely out of step with all forms of common sense.
39:30
Speaker 22: The price of electricity is going to continue to rise
39:34
Speaker 22: the longer we say no to having nuclear as part
39:37
Speaker 22: of the mix. It's as simple as that wind and
39:41
Speaker 22: sunshine is not going to.
39:42
Speaker 1: Cut it, not going to produce the baseload we need.
39:45
Speaker 22: We're just going to end up with diesel generators, very
39:48
Speaker 22: very expensive diesel generators filling up the gap like we
39:51
Speaker 22: saw in South Australia. What was that twenty sixteen. This
39:54
Speaker 22: is an experiment. The only country in the world that
39:57
Speaker 22: is committed to going as as full on renewable as
40:02
Speaker 22: Australia is Australia. We are idiots, and well Australians aren't idiots,
40:07
Speaker 22: The government are idiots, and the sovereign.
40:09
Speaker 1: Risk is real.
40:10
Speaker 22: We're not going to be able to have a future
40:11
Speaker 22: made in Australia. I haven't got any electricity. This is
40:14
Speaker 22: like selling the seysil without being able to cook the sausage.
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Speaker 1: Is as ridiculous.
40:18
Speaker 22: What they're doing is really ridiculous.
40:21
Speaker 2: One of Labour's main arguments against nuclear is the expanse
40:25
Speaker 2: is how much it's going to cost. But one leading
40:28
Speaker 2: energy expert told my colleague Chris Kenny last night that
40:32
Speaker 2: the transition to renewable energy under Labour's plan could cost
40:36
Speaker 2: six hundred billion dollars.
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Speaker 23: Have a quick look, if it was being done on
40:41
Speaker 23: time and at the scale that was necessary, it would
40:44
Speaker 23: be that. I suspect we're going to need a little
40:46
Speaker 23: bit more than that as we look to firm up
40:48
Speaker 23: even beyond that that the thesis, the AMO thesis has
40:53
Speaker 23: been that solar and renewables and hydro with batteries could
40:56
Speaker 23: get us there. But I think we're all admitting now
40:58
Speaker 23: that we're probably going to struggle twenty thirty period.
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Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd, Do those estimations of cost six hundred billion
41:06
Speaker 2: dollars from Matt Rainnie sound about right to you?
41:10
Speaker 21: Well, certainly that is the findings of some research by
41:14
Speaker 21: Frontier Economics, and they've looked at the whole system cost
41:18
Speaker 21: of trying to achieve what the government is saying now.
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Speaker 21: In the past, the government's only really admitted to a
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Speaker 21: small part or fraction of what's involved. And now when
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Speaker 21: you put it all together with the transmission lines and
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Speaker 21: firming and other things, the numbers that are coming out
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Speaker 21: are astronomically high. And as the interview showed there. This
41:39
Speaker 21: is a conservative estimate. That's if everything goes right, and
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Speaker 21: what we know is that everything certainly will not go right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an extraordinary cost, isn't it, Gari And we
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Speaker 2: don't know the full extent of it. Well, you know
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Speaker 2: there's no transparency here.
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Speaker 22: Well there's no transparency for sure, but it's actually fourteen
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Speaker 22: hundred billions point four trillion dollars involved in the duplication
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Speaker 22: of the transmission lines and then down to the poles
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Speaker 22: and wire. I mean, we saw what Chrisillan put to
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Speaker 22: here on Sky just the other night. That is a
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Speaker 22: compelling documentary that should be seen by any thinking Australian.
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Speaker 22: Any grand parent or pair of that hasn't shown it
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Speaker 22: to their children, sh should queue the kids up to
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Speaker 22: see it. This is the inconvenient reality that Chris Bowen
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Speaker 22: doesn't want you to look at. So I'm actually saying
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Speaker 22: to you it's more like two trillion, isn't it interesting?
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Speaker 22: You know that the Future Fund is now going to
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Speaker 22: be tapped for infrastructure.
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Speaker 1: What they mean is poles and wires. So the two
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Speaker 1: hundred and.
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Speaker 22: Thirty billion sitting in that that's going to go off
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Speaker 22: to this sort of stuff. I think we are in
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Speaker 22: a fearful problem right now and Australians all thinking Australians
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Speaker 22: should rightly get angry.
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Speaker 1: At this government.
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Speaker 22: They are hell bent on dragging this country back to
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Speaker 22: pre colonial times. We will not have the kind of
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Speaker 22: industrialized future that we need based on where they're taking us,
42:56
Speaker 22: because we won't got to make anything in Australia, will
42:59
Speaker 22: be reliant on everybody overseas, and even agriculture is going
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Speaker 22: to suffer as a result. Show It's just devastating when
43:06
Speaker 22: you think about it.
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Speaker 2: Just very quickly, just thirty seconds grahameload before we go.
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Speaker 2: We're seeing another union, the United Workers Union, threatening to
43:15
Speaker 2: strike one thy five hundred employees. I mean if work
43:19
Speaker 2: stops at the four distribution centers in Victoria, New South
43:22
Speaker 2: Wales Supermarket and Liquor Star, shelves were being told could
43:26
Speaker 2: be bare this Christmas.
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Speaker 21: Well, it's really harken back to the passes and or
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Speaker 21: back to the future where we have strikes and pay
43:36
Speaker 21: rise demands and things there really haven't been a big
43:39
Speaker 21: feature over recent years. From reading reports here, workers were
43:44
Speaker 21: concerned that they are going to be monitored too much
43:46
Speaker 21: on the workplace, but what they should be concerned about
43:49
Speaker 21: is being replaced by robots.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a.
43:52
Speaker 2: Problem as AI develops. All right, Gary Hargrave gram Woyd,
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Speaker 2: thank you both very much for your time, thans Now
43:58
Speaker 2: communities in all the New South Wales feel abandoned by
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Speaker 2: the government, so much so that an international aid organization
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Speaker 2: that's helping in Ukraine has had to step in. I'll
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Speaker 2: tell you more on that after the break.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: From fire to floods, our regional communities are often hit
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Speaker 2: by natural disasters and one international NGO, smart Aid, is
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Speaker 2: now using its integrative, cutting edge technology to come to
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Speaker 2: Australia to help with relief efforts, particularly in the New
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Speaker 2: South Wales, Northern Rivers and in southeast Queensland. Shaikha Zahavi,
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Speaker 2: who's the co founder of smart Aid, joins me.
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Speaker 19: Now.
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Speaker 2: Shakha, welcome to Australia. Now, can you tell us why
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Speaker 2: you've decided to come here to help our regional communities.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 24: I'm here because we have an office here smart Aid Australia,
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Speaker 24: which is managed by a great board member including Alethia Gold,
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Speaker 24: and we're here to basically bring in technology to improve
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Speaker 24: and provide humanitarian aid to communities and distress, both in
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Speaker 24: Australia and across the Pacific.
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Speaker 2: So how will this work? Because you've got a smart
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Speaker 2: aid trailer. So you know, one of the problems that
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Speaker 2: we've seen when there's severe flooding or fires in our
45:28
Speaker 2: regional communities is that often you know, the telecommunication goes down.
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Speaker 2: People are in distress, they can't contact emergency services.
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Speaker 3: They literally can't get through on the phone.
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Speaker 2: Tell us how this smart aid trailer will help?
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Speaker 24: Okay, The way the smart trailer helps, and we have
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Speaker 24: more than a few of them in America and in
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Speaker 24: other places. The idea of the smart trailer it's a
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Speaker 24: telecommunications solar trailer that can reach in remote areas and
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Speaker 24: basically provides support to both first responders as well as
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Speaker 24: the communities.
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Speaker 6: The way that we do it is we reach.
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Speaker 24: To a community that was affected by floods by wildfires
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Speaker 24: and help them to tap in in a way that
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Speaker 24: they can access internet, reach out to their relatives, reach
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Speaker 24: out to government officials to request and receive support with
46:26
Speaker 24: the first responders. What we do is we help them
46:30
Speaker 24: basically coordinate their efforts because they need to charge their
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Speaker 24: telecommunication systems and unfortunately in the first few weeks in
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Speaker 24: disasters not in Australia and globally, there's no access. There's
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Speaker 24: no access to electricity, no access to telecommunications, clean water.
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Speaker 24: So that's what we're doing.
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Speaker 1: That's our advantage.
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Speaker 2: It's extraordinary to think that, you know, we're a first
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Speaker 2: world country in Australia and we actually need an international
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Speaker 2: aid organization to help us in these areas.
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Speaker 3: And you know, we've.
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Speaker 2: Got a lot of regional viewers on Sky News and
47:04
Speaker 2: I know they'll be thinking, why can't the government do
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Speaker 2: something like this?
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Speaker 3: It's extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: Now, Shakha, you've been there right from day one virtually
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Speaker 2: helping Ukrainians. Can you tell us what you've been giving
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Speaker 2: to help innocent people who've been so affected by Russia's invasion.
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Speaker 24: Well, with Ukraine, we're still there. We arrived about three
47:28
Speaker 24: days after and started providing solar tolecommunications. We installed Starlink
47:38
Speaker 24: systems across the border so people can access the internet.
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Speaker 24: We're currently we have a variety of programs. We have
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Speaker 24: about three hundred smart classes that allowing Ukrainian children to study,
47:51
Speaker 24: and shelters so they're going to be able to continue
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Speaker 24: their studies. We provide solar panels and solar off grid
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Speaker 24: generators in hospitals on the East. I just came back
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Speaker 24: from Klaudkip from eastern Ukraine, and what we do is
48:09
Speaker 24: we put it inside the hospitals.
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Speaker 6: They provide.
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Speaker 24: They basically allow doctors to provide medical treatment, do surgeries
48:19
Speaker 24: when they finish a finish a.
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Speaker 2: Surgery important the next such important work, especially in Ukraine. Shakhaza,
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Speaker 2: how do you really appreciate you joining us and being
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Speaker 2: here in Australia. Now that's it for me. Thank you
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Speaker 2: for watching this week. I'll see you on Monday at
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Speaker 2: eight o'clock. Right now, here's Paul Murray