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Cult Mom Lori Vallow 'secret messages' to new hubby behind bars · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Two dead bodies belonging to children,
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Speaker 1: involvement in a bizarre cult, lying, hiding the truth, going
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Speaker 1: on the run. Of course, I'm talking about cult mom.
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo banner headline bonbshell. Her bond has been reduced.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to Laurie Davel's lawyer. We're left with,
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Speaker 1: as a court mentioned earlier, three misdemeanors and obstruction to
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Speaker 1: solicitation and a contempt charge which carries with it a
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Speaker 1: maximum court in my calculations two years impossible twenty five
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars fine. The only thing I would add in
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Speaker 1: addition to the things that have been argued in the
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Speaker 1: previous two bond hearings is my client has been a
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Speaker 1: model inmate. These chargers are not of a violent nature.
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Speaker 1: There is no previous criminal record regarding my client in
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Speaker 1: any other jurisdiction that we're aware of. Her access to
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Speaker 1: funds is extremely limited. I think the court is issued
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Speaker 1: in order previously outlining that if my client were bailed
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Speaker 1: out or bonded out, that there are certain restrictions in
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Speaker 1: place that weren't fine with keeping those restrictions. We think
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Speaker 1: ultimately that the million dollars bond isn't reflective of the
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Speaker 1: current charges that we'd asked at the court produced it
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Speaker 1: to one hundred thousand dollars. A model inmate, no previous
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Speaker 1: history where you could say that about Ted Bundy before
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Speaker 1: he was busted on his first murder or Scott Peterson.
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Speaker 1: They didn't have a previous history either. What do you
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Speaker 1: mean model inmate? Two dead children, one dismembered and burned,
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Speaker 1: buried in the backyard of her brand new husband. They
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Speaker 1: got married about two weeks after his other wife died
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Speaker 1: mysteriously in her sleep. Again. I mean, see Grace, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. How the hey did cult
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Speaker 1: mom Lorie Valoe get a bond reduction with me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. Renowned attorney joining me out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney, Scott Hall,
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Speaker 1: Bill Bosman, past President National Association Professional Bondsman at Scott
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Speaker 1: Geehall Dot com doctor Bethany Marshall, and boy, do we
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Speaker 1: need a shrink psychoanalyst joining me out of Beverly Hills
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Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, death investigator and author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Fate on Amazon. But first to Nate Eton reporter
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Speaker 1: east Idahoanes dot com. He's been on the story from
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Speaker 1: the get go. Nate, first of all, listen to this.
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Speaker 1: September twenty second, the last time JJ Vallo was seen.
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Speaker 1: Police interviewed Melanie Gibb and her boyfriend David Warwick, who
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Speaker 1: were visiting Lorie that weekend. They told police Lourie said
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Speaker 1: JJ had turned into a zombie. The next morning, September
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Speaker 1: twenty third, between eight and nine am, Warwick didn't see
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Speaker 1: JJ and asked where he was. Borie stated he was
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Speaker 1: acting out, so quote Alex had come and taken JJ.
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Speaker 1: GPS data once again puts Alex on Chad's property that
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Speaker 1: day from nine fifty five am until ten twelve am,
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Speaker 1: paying near the pond. All this evidence started coming to
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Speaker 1: light around the first part of June twenty twenty. Just
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Speaker 1: days later, June ninth, police searched Chad's property. They focused
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Speaker 1: on sites corresponding to the GPS from Alex's phone and
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Speaker 1: the strange text to Tammy Gee. James Highly's bodies were
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Speaker 1: found in those areas near the pond and fire pit. So,
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Speaker 1: according to CULTMM Laurie Valo, little JJ, just seven, was
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Speaker 1: acting out and crawling on the cabinet. She says she
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Speaker 1: got really alarmed when he accidentally knocked a picture of
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Speaker 1: Jesus off the refrigerator, so brother Alex Cox came and
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Speaker 1: got him. He's never seen alive again. Tiley was inhabited
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Speaker 1: by a zombie at about thirteen fourteen years old, which
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Speaker 1: she started disagreeing with her mother. She's very okay, Nate Eaton,
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Speaker 1: if you can talk that, I want to hear it.
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Speaker 1: What's new, Nate, Well, as you mentioned, the bond was
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Speaker 1: lowered on her misdemeanor charges the other day, she still
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Speaker 1: has the one million dollar bond on the conspiracy to
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Speaker 1: conceal evidence. The evidence the bodies of her children, which,
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Speaker 1: as you said, they were found buried in Chad Dave
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Speaker 1: Bell's backyard just a few weeks ago. The question's going
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Speaker 1: to be what happens at the preliminary hearing here in
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Speaker 1: two or three weeks, when there's a list of forty
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Speaker 1: seven potential witnesses who could take the stand, who may
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Speaker 1: have a lot to say about what they know about
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Speaker 1: what Laurie Dave Bell allegedly did with me. Nate Eaton
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Speaker 1: from the East Idaho News dot Com, who has been
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Speaker 1: breaking the news on this story from the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: He is the one running along beside coultmom after they
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Speaker 1: found her hiding out in a luxury condo in Hawaii,
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Speaker 1: no sign of her children, saying where are your children?
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Speaker 1: Where your children? Where your children? That was him in
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Speaker 1: the background. Let me go to Darryl Coe and former
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Speaker 1: prosecutor now defense attorney, Darryl You and I really cut
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Speaker 1: our teeth with Lewis Layton, the then elected district attorney.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things you had to do before
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Speaker 1: you could really start trying cases is a You had
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Speaker 1: to go to indictments and figure out how to read
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Speaker 1: a police report, read an investigator's report, and what charges,
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Speaker 1: what legal charges are appropriate for the facts you just read.
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Speaker 1: You had to go to juvenile where you try cases
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Speaker 1: basically argue to a social worker and a robe. There's
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Speaker 1: no rules of evidence. It's just kind of a discussion,
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Speaker 1: and then the kid always gets a slap on the
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Speaker 1: rest no matter what they did. Then you have to
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Speaker 1: do a stint in deadbeat dads. Maybe maybe not if
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Speaker 1: you have any brains at all, You go through a
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Speaker 1: stint in appeals and you argue bonds, right bonds. And
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened in a court of law. So
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Speaker 1: this is what we know, Daryl Cohen. Everyone is nutting
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Speaker 1: up because Laurie Valocult mom got a bond reduction when
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Speaker 1: we know there's two dead bodies, but the state had
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Speaker 1: to drop three two felony charges, leaving her with just misdemeanors.
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Speaker 1: But she's got a million dollars bond in the county
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Speaker 1: next door. So explain to me what happens in a
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Speaker 1: bond hearing. I don't think Nancy, first of all, would
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Speaker 1: say it doesn't matter. As long as she has a
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Speaker 1: one million dollars bond next door, she's going nowhere. But
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Speaker 1: in this instance, she is facing misdemeanors with a maximum
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Speaker 1: penalty of two years in prison. All the judge did
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Speaker 1: was lowered the bond from I believe two hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand total to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: and that's fifty thousand dollars per count, per charge of
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Speaker 1: each misdemeanor. Yeah, if you're not a big deal. And
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Speaker 1: it's my understanding that Maurie changed her name from Valo
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Speaker 1: to Dumblow or she didn't, she should have, you know,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, we have done bond hearings one I remember
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Speaker 1: every afternoon, I guess it was on Thursday afternoons and
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Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoons. There'll be bond hearings, and we'll do one
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Speaker 1: bond hearing after the next, after the next, And you
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Speaker 1: look at the severity of the crime, the likelihood the
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Speaker 1: person is going to flee, the likelihood they'll commit another crime,
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Speaker 1: the likelihood that they will tamper with the evidence, the
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Speaker 1: likelihood that they will show up like they're supposed to
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Speaker 1: for court. With me, the man that knows it all
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Speaker 1: about Bell bonding, Scott Hall, past President, National Association, Professional
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Speaker 1: Bondsman at Scott Gehall dot com. Scott, you know, what
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Speaker 1: what do you make of coultmom having a lowered bond.
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Speaker 1: She was in Hawaii, she had a huge bond as
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Speaker 1: soon as she got back to the States, they slashed it.
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Speaker 1: Now it's been slashed again. What about it, Scott Hall? Well,
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Speaker 1: and I think the bond originally started out at five million,
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Speaker 1: then it was lowered to one million. Now it's been
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Speaker 1: lowered to one hundred and fifty thousand. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I think the defense actually has a pretty good case
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Speaker 1: because they got rid of the felony charges and as
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Speaker 1: the attorney said before, or we're talking about two or
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Speaker 1: three misdemeanor charges here. And my puzzlement is, you know,
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Speaker 1: her husband is dead, her children are dead, her brother
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Speaker 1: is dead, her new husband's wife is dead, and I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering why they're not more charges other than conspiracy to commit.
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Speaker 1: But obviously she's very similar to Charles Manson. She doesn't
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Speaker 1: have to do the act. She in fact, is very
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Speaker 1: good at getting others to do the act. But we
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Speaker 1: know that bail cannot under the Eighth Amendment. It cannot
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Speaker 1: be excessive. It needs to be sufficient to guarantee that
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Speaker 1: person's I hear you, I hear you. But since she
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Speaker 1: took off for Hawaii the last time police asked her
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Speaker 1: where a children were, this woman should not have a
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Speaker 1: bond at all crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're
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Speaker 1: talking about Calt mom Laurie Vallo, her children dead and
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Speaker 1: buried in her new husband's pet cemetery behind his house. Yes,
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Speaker 1: her children are buried in the pet cemetery and she
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Speaker 1: just got her bond slashed. I know it sounds bad
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Speaker 1: at the outset, but let me explain what's happening here.
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Speaker 1: You just heard from our friends at KATVB. Now take
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Speaker 1: a listen to KATVB. Misty, England September eighth, twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: the last time seventeen year old Tylie Ryan is seen.
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Speaker 1: She was on a trip to Yellowstone with her mother,
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Speaker 1: Laurie Vallow, and uncle Alex Cox. A Cellular Analysis Survey
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Speaker 1: Team or CAST with the FBI analyzed data from Alex's phone.
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Speaker 1: According to the probable cause affidavit, the GPS data points
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Speaker 1: used by CAST are highly accurate, placing a divice within
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Speaker 1: six meters of its location on September ninth, one day
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Speaker 1: after the Yellowstone trip. That GPS data puts Alex's phone
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Speaker 1: at Laurie's Rexburg apartment between two forty two am and
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Speaker 1: three thirty seven am. This is the only time he
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Speaker 1: was at Laurie's between midnight and six am, according to
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Speaker 1: the PCA. A few hours later, nine twenty one am
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Speaker 1: until a little after eleven am, Alex's phone pings at
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell's property, specifically placing him behind the home
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Speaker 1: near the barn. So brother Alex Cox last scene with
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Speaker 1: little JJH seven goes to cultmom's sister Laurie Valo's home
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Speaker 1: two thirty in the morning. Then he shows up at
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Speaker 1: the new husband, Chad day Bell's farm, and Chad day
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Speaker 1: bells in the backyard at the pet cemetery where the
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Speaker 1: children are found buried. This is the way I understand
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Speaker 1: it to you, Nate Eaton coltmom. Laurie Valo had two
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Speaker 1: flonies three misdemeanors for basically live trying to get other
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Speaker 1: people to lie, not doing what cops and judges told her.
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Speaker 1: Those are misdemeanors. The two felonies were abandonment, offered children,
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Speaker 1: not paying for them, not taking care of them, just
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Speaker 1: leaving them. Those are felonies. However, the indictment was factually
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Speaker 1: wrong because when she was first charged with abandoning her
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Speaker 1: children on a certain date, we now know those children
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Speaker 1: were already dead, so she didn't abandon them in life.
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Speaker 1: They were dead, so those two felonies don't work anymore.
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Speaker 1: They had to be dropped, leaving her in Madison County
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Speaker 1: with just three misdemeanors. However, in Fremont, a neighboring county,
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Speaker 1: she's charged with concealing the dead bodies, as she's got
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Speaker 1: a million dollars bond there, so who cares what happens
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Speaker 1: with the bond in Madison? Am I right wrong? Did
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Speaker 1: I get that right? Nate Eaton? Yeah, you're explained it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: pretty good. And of course the big question that so
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Speaker 1: many people have is why hasn't she been charged with
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Speaker 1: murder or conspiracy to commit murder? Why hasn't Chad day
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Speaker 1: Bell been charged with murder? While I was talking with
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Speaker 1: one of the people very close to the case, who
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Speaker 1: told me, listen, they're locked up, we know where they're at.
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Speaker 1: We've got one shot of this. We can't mess it up.
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Speaker 1: Autopsies are still wait wait wait, wait wait wait, drinking
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Speaker 1: from a fire hydrant, Nate eight, Slow down, friend, tell
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Speaker 1: me everything. I want to let it sink in so
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Speaker 1: I can percolate. Now started at the beginning. What now
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Speaker 1: she's not going anywhere. You started with that, we know
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Speaker 1: she's not going anywhere. Her attorney the other day said
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Speaker 1: her funds are extremely limited. Chad's funds are extremely limited.
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Speaker 1: Let's not forget he's also in jail on one million
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Speaker 1: dollars bond. So if they both want to get out,
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Speaker 1: you've got to come up with two million dollars or
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Speaker 1: a bond company that will help you get that money.
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Speaker 1: So they're not going anywhere. The detectives, the prosecutors, they
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Speaker 1: have one shot to get this right, to get their
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Speaker 1: case set, and so they are in no rush. And
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Speaker 1: they're also waiting on the autopsies of the children. They
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Speaker 1: know that Tyley's body was so badly decomposed she wasn't recognizable.
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Speaker 1: They had to use her dental records to confirm her identity.
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Speaker 1: They were able to pull a little bit of her
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Speaker 1: soft tissue, and that's right now undergoing DNA analysis. So
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Speaker 1: I imagine once those results come back, they may be
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Speaker 1: able to press forward on a potential murder charge on
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Speaker 1: either of them. Their defense may be that Alex did
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Speaker 1: it all, because as you mentioned, Alex was there at
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Speaker 1: Chad's property. But nevertheless, there has to be some sort
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Speaker 1: of tie between them and Alex and what happened out
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Speaker 1: at Chad day Bell's property. I'm just drinking in, just
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Speaker 1: listening and trying to absorb everything Nate Eton East, Idaho
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Speaker 1: News dot Com is telling me, And that's quite a mouthful.
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Speaker 1: I've got a a lot of questions about bond. I
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Speaker 1: got a lot of questions about a speedy trial demand
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Speaker 1: in Double Jeopardy. But first to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Joe Scott to me, it seems as
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Speaker 1: if the autopsies should be back on a lot of people,
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Speaker 1: including Tammy day Bell all right, and Timmy day Bell
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Speaker 1: his husband, Chad day Bell's wife that died in her sleep,
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Speaker 1: and coltmom had already ordered her wedding dress and wedding
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Speaker 1: band before Tammy died, and then she marries day Belt
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks after Tammy's surprised death in her sleep. Okay,
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Speaker 1: no autopsy back on that formally. What is the hold
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Speaker 1: up on the autopsy for the children. How are they
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Speaker 1: doing it? Joe Scott, Well, I gotta tell you, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: one of the things that keeps coming to mind, you know,
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Speaker 1: we hear about the clandestine burials that we have, and
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Speaker 1: that's generally what we refer to these as where we
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Speaker 1: had JJ buried in a separate area from Tyley. And yes,
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Speaker 1: Tyley was severely decomposed, and from what we're hearing, she's
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Speaker 1: also partially dismembered. But more care was taken with JJ's body.
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Speaker 1: He was wrapped apparently in plastic with duct tape and
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Speaker 1: all that thing. And we can talk about the evidence
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Speaker 1: related to that, but Nancy, something I want to get
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Speaker 1: to the heart of the matter here is what was
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Speaker 1: the mechanism? What were the causal factors relative to death?
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Speaker 1: If we could go back just for a second, do
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Speaker 1: you remember them talking about JJ. They raised kind of
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Speaker 1: a ruckus over the factor the news media. They talked
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Speaker 1: a lot about how he was acting out. He was
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Speaker 1: climbing up on the cabinets and all that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: And remember, JJ, in the past has been medicated, and
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Speaker 1: from what I understand, he had not been medicated for
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Speaker 1: some time now. I think he suffered. He's on the
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Speaker 1: autism spectrum. Doctor Bethany can address that. But all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, the last time we see JJ, he is
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Speaker 1: essentially kind of passed out on Alex's shoulder. Do you
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Speaker 1: remember that they were talking about that he's kind of
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Speaker 1: in this this deep sleep if you reflect, you know.
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Speaker 1: So we couple that with we think about Tammy Day Bell,
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Speaker 1: who we still don't have autopsy results on her either,
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Speaker 1: and again she's decomposed to a great degree. She had
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Speaker 1: been been bombed and buried in Utah, even though she
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Speaker 1: died in Fremont County up in Idaho, and the corner
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Speaker 1: up there completely train wrecked this case because they didn't
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Speaker 1: examine her body. Well, oh wait, what what did you say?
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Speaker 1: I said that relative to Tammy Day Bell, the corner
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Speaker 1: in Fremont County train wrecked that case. Do you know why?
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Speaker 1: Because she never went out and examined the body of
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Speaker 1: Tammy Day Bell. And you know, we get these other
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Speaker 1: reports that are coming in. That's I think the kids
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Speaker 1: had said that they saw a frothy cone coming out
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Speaker 1: of her mouth. That gives us an indication that something's
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Speaker 1: affecting her lung. She was never even autopsy Nancy when she,
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Speaker 1: you know, she was found dead. I don't think the
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Speaker 1: corner even examined her body until she made it to
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Speaker 1: the funeral home. They're in Rexburg, and of course, you know,
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Speaker 1: in order to transport a body across state lines, you
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Speaker 1: can got embalm the body. So they were sending her
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Speaker 1: to Utah Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking
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Speaker 1: about caught mom Laurie Valo, who's just gotten a bond
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Speaker 1: reduction and two felony charges thrown out of court, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall with us. You know, doctor Bethany, my daughter
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Speaker 1: has declared herself. First of all, she said vegan. And
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Speaker 1: you know if you argue with them, that makes them
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Speaker 1: want to do it even more. So somehow I've got
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Speaker 1: her taught into vegetarian. Do you know how much I
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Speaker 1: follow that child around trying to get her to eat?
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Speaker 1: I mean anything. I make all these tofu dishes and
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Speaker 1: we all act like we like it, and I mean,
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Speaker 1: actually I'm getting used to it. If I have one
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Speaker 1: more pliable Okay, I don't know even what it is,
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Speaker 1: but my point is, do anything just to know at
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Speaker 1: night she's had plenty to eat. And here's my question
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Speaker 1: to you, doctor Bethany. The other day in court, Laurie Valo,
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Speaker 1: because she's got her two dead children, dismembered, burned, buried
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Speaker 1: with the pet cemetery in the backyard. And you know
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Speaker 1: what she says, I judge, I prefer to be calm
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Speaker 1: as day Bell. You know what I'm not. I can't
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Speaker 1: say what I'm thinking because it's against FCC guidelines, Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: What is wrong with her? I prefer to be called
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Speaker 1: miss day Bell. Nancy. She has sociopathic traits, she really does.
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Speaker 1: She has shallow emotions, no remorse, her capacity to rationalize
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Speaker 1: her criminal behavior, killing and dismembering her own children. Think
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Speaker 1: about it that she says that her son was climbing
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Speaker 1: all over the cabinets, that he knocked over a picture
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Speaker 1: of Jesus. That is just a rationalization for killing her
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Speaker 1: own children. She has no attachments. What strange is that
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Speaker 1: she wants to be called miss day Bell as if
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Speaker 1: she's in love with her husband. But this woman has
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Speaker 1: no capacity to love. There's an image in my mind, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that I keep thinking about as I'm listening to everybody's talk.
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Speaker 1: That is that Laurie stay Bell and her brother take
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Speaker 1: the kids to uh Yellowstone right for a quote unquote
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Speaker 1: family vacation, and they're driving around looking at the buffaloes.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been there. It's beautiful,
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Speaker 1: its orchards, it's vast. Well, what did you just say
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Speaker 1: you don't know if I've been to Yellowstone? Did you
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Speaker 1: just say that? What are you doing? Are you Jackie?
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Speaker 1: Do something with Bethany? What have you not been watching Facebook? Instagram? Uh? Twitter?
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Speaker 1: I need to do that too. I took the children
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Speaker 1: on an RV trip to get away from cousin, right
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Speaker 1: all the way across the country too, Yellowstone. I knew that. Really, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: well I knew you. Okay, I knew you've got an RV.
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Speaker 1: I knew I did not at r Those things are expensive.
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Speaker 1: I rented it, you rented it, okay. So imagine you're
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Speaker 1: driving your kids around Yellowstone and looking at the buffalo.
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Speaker 1: You're thinking, how beautiful is You're driving through the mountains.
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Speaker 1: You're giving them an experience of seeing the world, enjoying nature,
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Speaker 1: communing with God, connecting with you and your husband. Imagine
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Speaker 1: Laurie and her husband driving or her brother driving the
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Speaker 1: kids around Yellowstone and they're looking for a burial site
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Speaker 1: and the kids don't even realize it. This is no
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Speaker 1: family vacation. What Bethan scare me? Sometimes we've been friends
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Speaker 1: a long time. But you're a little scary because I
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Speaker 1: had thought of that of them driving around Yellowstone actually
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Speaker 1: looking for a burial site, and when they couldn't figure
22:41
Speaker 1: out what to do, they bring the children back and
22:43
Speaker 1: then bury them in Chad day Belle's backyard. Bobshell right
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Speaker 1: now called Mom Laurie Valo makes gets a bond reduction.
22:52
Speaker 1: Two families thrown out of court with me special guest
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton Reporter East Idaho News dot com. Nate, what
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Speaker 1: have you learned about the way cult Mom Laurie Valo
23:04
Speaker 1: apparently communicates with Chad day Bell. Well, she's not allowed
23:08
Speaker 1: to communicate with him directly because they're both in different facilities.
23:12
Speaker 1: Inmates are not allowed to talk to each other, and
23:15
Speaker 1: Chad day Bell has a list of specific visitors who
23:19
Speaker 1: can go and actually see him face to face. That's
23:22
Speaker 1: per his attorney, that's her the legal system. Nobody else
23:24
Speaker 1: can go see him. His children are on that list.
23:28
Speaker 1: His children are able to go see him and then
23:30
Speaker 1: kind of be the go between to Laurie, so they
23:33
Speaker 1: might go visit him, spend an hour or two with him,
23:35
Speaker 1: and then go home. And Laurie can accept visitors through
23:38
Speaker 1: a telemate system. It's a video chat system where anybody
23:43
Speaker 1: can request a visit with her. You can go on
23:45
Speaker 1: right now and log in and dial her in, and
23:47
Speaker 1: if she decides to chat with you, you pay for
23:50
Speaker 1: the call and you can communicate. So while they can't
23:53
Speaker 1: talk to each other directly, while they cannot see each
23:56
Speaker 1: other directly face to face, there is a specific list
23:59
Speaker 1: of people who could act as a go between between
24:02
Speaker 1: the two parties. Remember, Nancy, tomorrow is July twenty second.
24:07
Speaker 1: That is the date. That is the date that they
24:10
Speaker 1: were preparing for everything to come to an end, that
24:14
Speaker 1: they would usher in Jesus Christ, that there would be
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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four thousand followers who would be
24:20
Speaker 1: with them, and the Second Coming would happen. It's very well,
24:25
Speaker 1: it's very well possible that both Chad and Laurier thinking
24:30
Speaker 1: that tomorrow this will all be over, the bringing walls
24:33
Speaker 1: may fall down, that they may be free, and that
24:35
Speaker 1: all of this will end. I'm just trying to take
24:38
Speaker 1: in again what you said, because every time you open
24:40
Speaker 1: your mouth, you give me a revelation. Let me think
24:44
Speaker 1: so Chad day Bell is communicating with Laurie day Bell
24:48
Speaker 1: through his children and anybody if she accepts the call,
24:53
Speaker 1: can speak to call it mom, Laurie Vallo through what
24:57
Speaker 1: did you say it was called? Tell him A lot
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Speaker 1: of Telimate, A lot of facilities across the country use this.
25:04
Speaker 1: You have to pay per minute you requested. It's like
25:10
Speaker 1: a video link. Okay. So I assume to you, Daryl Cohen,
25:18
Speaker 1: that that's being monitored, because just get give you an example.
25:22
Speaker 1: Do you remember all those videos of Top Mom Casey
25:27
Speaker 1: Anthony screaming at her parents after she murdered her child, Kelly,
25:33
Speaker 1: and all of that came out because of course, your
25:37
Speaker 1: phone calls, unless it's with your lawyer or your priest,
25:41
Speaker 1: are not confidential at at the jail, your your meetings
25:45
Speaker 1: only with your lawyer and your priest, your preacher, that's
25:48
Speaker 1: the only thing confidential, or your spouse. So what I'm
25:52
Speaker 1: saying is those telemate video conferences are probably being monitored,
25:58
Speaker 1: wouldn't you think, Daryl Cohen? I would be absolutely stunned
26:03
Speaker 1: if they were not being monitored, Dancy. And we also
26:07
Speaker 1: know that covertly conversations and video conferences are still being monitored.
26:15
Speaker 1: And you and I have both been prosecutors, and we
26:17
Speaker 1: know that there were times that law enforcement didn't have
26:21
Speaker 1: a search warrant, didn't have the right to monitor, but
26:24
Speaker 1: they did, and they never directly use that evidence. But
26:28
Speaker 1: based on what they heard, they went through the back
26:31
Speaker 1: door or the side door or the upstairs doors and
26:34
Speaker 1: they got what they needed. So you bet they're being monitored.
26:37
Speaker 1: And the good thing is that stupid people who've done
26:41
Speaker 1: stupid things in the past continue to do stupid things because,
26:45
Speaker 1: as bess Andy pointed out, she's a sociopath and she
26:50
Speaker 1: is invincible. No longer invisible, but she's invincible. If you
26:54
Speaker 1: don't believe it, Escer I would really is on something. Okay, okay,
27:00
Speaker 1: This whole idea of one hundred and forty four thousand
27:03
Speaker 1: going to heaven, the rest of us, of course, being
27:05
Speaker 1: left behind, the prison walls falling down, the kids being zombies.
27:10
Speaker 1: It's tempting to think that they really believed that. I
27:13
Speaker 1: don't think they did. All of these are very shallow
27:17
Speaker 1: ideas cobbled together from other faiths and religions. Isn't that
27:20
Speaker 1: the Jehovah's witness who believed that only one hundred and
27:24
Speaker 1: forty four thousand will get to heaven. You know, we
27:27
Speaker 1: all see zombie movies I think they cobbled together a
27:30
Speaker 1: loose set of beliefs to manipulate everybody around them, and
27:36
Speaker 1: that they're so narcissistic and so self centered that they
27:39
Speaker 1: thought they could just call on any idea and the
27:42
Speaker 1: people around them would do their bidding. But strangely enough,
27:46
Speaker 1: people did do their bidding. I mean, Laurie Daville's own
27:50
Speaker 1: brother killed her husband. So these beliefs worked within a
27:55
Speaker 1: small family circle. But once they get in front of
27:59
Speaker 1: a judge, they get in prison, they get with the
28:01
Speaker 1: prison guards, other inmates. Right, these ideas are not going
28:05
Speaker 1: to work anymore. They're going to be exposed for what
28:07
Speaker 1: they are. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are
28:23
Speaker 1: talking about called mom Laurie Valo, who has gotten a
28:26
Speaker 1: slash in her bell there in Madison County. Luckily Fremont County,
28:32
Speaker 1: neighboring county has a million dollar bond on her head.
28:36
Speaker 1: She'll have to sit in jail there, but it is
28:39
Speaker 1: possible for her to make Bell Joining me is Scott
28:43
Speaker 1: Hall's Bell Bosman, past President National Association, Bill Bondsman, and
28:48
Speaker 1: Nate Eaton East Idaho News dot Com. Nate Eaton, do
28:51
Speaker 1: you recall recently were called mom. Laurie Valo's mother and
28:55
Speaker 1: sister were literally laughing in their interview about the prospect
29:02
Speaker 1: that Laurie Vala knew anything about the disappearance or death
29:06
Speaker 1: of her children. Do you remember that They actually laughed it,
29:09
Speaker 1: didn't they? Jackie. They actually laughed at the possibility that
29:13
Speaker 1: the children were dead. Do you remember that? Yeah? They
29:16
Speaker 1: stood up for her. They said that she the children
29:18
Speaker 1: are face. They believed her, They had been told that
29:21
Speaker 1: by her attacked her mother. Janice even said that she
29:24
Speaker 1: had spoken with JJ on October first, based on her
29:29
Speaker 1: phone records. Well, we now know that JJ was dead
29:32
Speaker 1: on October first, So it's unclear what Laurie's mother meant
29:37
Speaker 1: by that who she was speaking with. Maybe she got
29:39
Speaker 1: the dates confused or had a long conversation with Well,
29:42
Speaker 1: she said that to a cop and put it in
29:44
Speaker 1: a police report. Police reports are sworn statements. At the
29:47
Speaker 1: bottom it says I hear by swear, So you know,
29:50
Speaker 1: telling a cop a lie like that. She better being
29:54
Speaker 1: mistaken or she's in a whole lot of a lot
29:56
Speaker 1: of trouble right now. So, Scott Paul Bill, I wonder
30:00
Speaker 1: if those two that were laughing at the idea the
30:04
Speaker 1: children were dead and defending Laurie Valo. What if they're
30:07
Speaker 1: gonna endy up and get her out of jail in
30:10
Speaker 1: the neighboring county million dollar bell. So on a million
30:13
Speaker 1: dollar bell, Scott Hall. Typically I'll have to put up
30:16
Speaker 1: ten percent. That's one hundred thousand dollars. How's that going
30:19
Speaker 1: to work? Well, that is typically what the family would
30:22
Speaker 1: put up. But being a bondsman, you understand you're on
30:26
Speaker 1: the hook not for one hundred thousand, but on the
30:29
Speaker 1: hook for one million. And you've got a person that
30:32
Speaker 1: has you know, everybody she comes in contact with dies.
30:36
Speaker 1: As a bondsman, I would be concerned about getting close
30:39
Speaker 1: to her because I might be the next recipient of
30:43
Speaker 1: whatever cult or karma she has going on. And again
30:48
Speaker 1: I think there's a great case to be made that
30:51
Speaker 1: she is such a danger that, as you said before,
30:55
Speaker 1: no bond would be sufficient to protect the public because
31:01
Speaker 1: it's not in many case, some cases it's about appearance,
31:05
Speaker 1: when in some case it's about risk to the public
31:08
Speaker 1: and everybody she comes in contact with, her husband, her
31:13
Speaker 1: new husband's exul wife, her dead wife, her children, her brother.
31:18
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows would be the next recipient, basically,
31:22
Speaker 1: anybody that could testify against her, because you remember, the
31:26
Speaker 1: children were there when Charles Valo was shot dead at
31:31
Speaker 1: her place by her brother Alex Cox. They were the
31:36
Speaker 1: only witnesses in the home other than her. Now they're dead. Yeah,
31:42
Speaker 1: you're right. I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot poll. Guys,
31:45
Speaker 1: in the last hours, we're learning a lot about the
31:48
Speaker 1: case against cultmom Laurie Valo and Nate Eaton reporter east
31:52
Speaker 1: Idahoo News dot com. Boy, would I like to be
31:54
Speaker 1: a fly on the wall? Come tomorrow? When Laurie Valo
31:59
Speaker 1: looks up and says, today's July twenty two, the end
32:02
Speaker 1: of the We're all still here. So why did I
32:07
Speaker 1: kill my children? This is all bs, you know, That's
32:10
Speaker 1: what's going to happen if she if she can't accept it,
32:14
Speaker 1: I don't know that she may be able to rationalize
32:17
Speaker 1: it in her mind as to why the world's not
32:19
Speaker 1: coming to an end. But the reality is she basically
32:23
Speaker 1: fell for a line from Chad day Bell, married him,
32:28
Speaker 1: had her children killed, buried him in his backyard, and
32:33
Speaker 1: she's got a string of dead bodies behind her. What's
32:36
Speaker 1: that going to be like tomorrow? When the world doesn't
32:39
Speaker 1: come to an end, and she's not specially chosen by
32:42
Speaker 1: our Holy Father in heaven to lead the righteous to
32:46
Speaker 1: the New Jerusalem. Whoopsie rut Row. Yeah, well, one of
32:50
Speaker 1: her very close friends tells me that Lori and Chad
32:53
Speaker 1: were always predicting stuff and giving dates, and the dates
32:58
Speaker 1: were always wrong. And when those dates were wrong, they
33:01
Speaker 1: would say, well, the Lord wasn't ready or people on
33:04
Speaker 1: earth weren't ready, So it very well could happen that
33:07
Speaker 1: the dates already changed by now, if they truly believe this, Nay, nay.
33:12
Speaker 1: I ask you another question, a pressing question. Yeah, you
33:15
Speaker 1: do know that Chad day Bell would tell women he
33:19
Speaker 1: was married to them in a previous life, right, usually
33:23
Speaker 1: like they had been the wife of James, the brother
33:26
Speaker 1: of John, James the brother of Christ, that they had
33:32
Speaker 1: all these past lives and in those past lives he
33:34
Speaker 1: had been their husband. You do know that, correct? Oh? Yeah,
33:38
Speaker 1: he told Laurie that they were married in a previous
33:40
Speaker 1: life probation they call it. Yes, Okay, So that's what
33:44
Speaker 1: I was leading up to. Thank you for ruining my crescendo.
33:47
Speaker 1: So long story, short bottom line. That was his pickup line,
33:53
Speaker 1: and I've heard a lot of them, but I was
33:56
Speaker 1: married to you in a past life in order to
34:00
Speaker 1: have an affair with you, to put it euphemistically, or
34:04
Speaker 1: get her to marry him. You know, Timmy day Bell
34:07
Speaker 1: was jealous of Chad day Bell, and she had reason
34:11
Speaker 1: to be because he was chatting up all these women
34:13
Speaker 1: about their past marriages in another life getting them to
34:16
Speaker 1: sleep with him. That's what I think was going on. Yeah,
34:20
Speaker 1: it's very well possible that. Well, I mean, well, let's
34:23
Speaker 1: try with my theory. Isn't it true that he told
34:26
Speaker 1: other people the same thing, I was your husband in
34:28
Speaker 1: a previous life. Well, we do know that he and
34:31
Speaker 1: Marie would would say that they would have revelations or
34:34
Speaker 1: visions or whatever you want to call it for people
34:37
Speaker 1: all over the place, and would approach them and say,
34:40
Speaker 1: I mean, that's some of the very first things he
34:41
Speaker 1: told Marie when he met her. Within minutes they were
34:44
Speaker 1: talking about, yeah, we were married in a previous probation
34:48
Speaker 1: and by the way, has memory a shot of her rear? End?
34:51
Speaker 1: What what made him suddenly realize they were married before
34:55
Speaker 1: and had slept together before. So I guess that makes
34:57
Speaker 1: it okay? Now he amcy just a quick comments. Almost
35:04
Speaker 1: all cults are founded on sex. They're sex cults, and
35:08
Speaker 1: I find this fascinating. I did not know this, but
35:11
Speaker 1: it confirms what we know, which is with most cults,
35:16
Speaker 1: the beliefs are flimsy. They're used to manipulate everybody around them,
35:22
Speaker 1: and whoever is the leader is really just trying to
35:26
Speaker 1: have sexual access to all the followers. So you know,
35:30
Speaker 1: this belief comes in that they were all married in
35:33
Speaker 1: a former life. Hey, we've always already been married. Why
35:36
Speaker 1: don't we just have sex right now? So it could
35:40
Speaker 1: be that the m of Lorie killing the children is
35:45
Speaker 1: so typical with what we see with um infanticide with
35:50
Speaker 1: women when they kill their children that, just like with
35:53
Speaker 1: with Casey Anthony, they get rid of the children for
35:56
Speaker 1: the love of a man. They try to get the
35:58
Speaker 1: children out of the way, as I said so many times,
36:01
Speaker 1: so they can have an ideal life life. And she
36:03
Speaker 1: felt that if jj Entiley were out of the way,
36:07
Speaker 1: then she would have Chad once and for all, and
36:09
Speaker 1: he would never want all of these other women. So
36:12
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how complicated the story gets, the psychology
36:16
Speaker 1: is so eerily similar in all these domestic homicides to you,
36:21
Speaker 1: Nate Atan, reporter, East Idaho News dot com, what more
36:24
Speaker 1: can you tell me what is happening behind bars? Well,
36:29
Speaker 1: Laurie's attorney said, quote, she's a model citizen. The other
36:32
Speaker 1: day she's by herself. I mean, she's really isolated. She
36:35
Speaker 1: doesn't have much interaction with the other inmates. She's preparing
36:39
Speaker 1: for her preliminary hearing. And the interesting thing on those
36:42
Speaker 1: misdemeanor charges that we've been talking about, you know during
36:45
Speaker 1: the show about the bond, her attorney's demanding a jury
36:48
Speaker 1: trial for these and that's been set for January. She
36:52
Speaker 1: treated to them happy. You know why because Laurie Valo,
36:58
Speaker 1: defending herself, may take this stand and that will open
37:01
Speaker 1: her up to cross examination. You know, Daryl Cohen, a
37:05
Speaker 1: trial tactic I always had day one of a trial,
37:09
Speaker 1: when I'd be picking a jury, I'd have a nice,
37:13
Speaker 1: big thick file labeled defendant's cross exam and I'd lay
37:19
Speaker 1: it on the trial table right where the defense could
37:22
Speaker 1: see it, and they would sit there and wonder what
37:26
Speaker 1: I was going to do to them a cross examination
37:28
Speaker 1: the entire trial, and very often would not take the stand.
37:33
Speaker 1: But that's what you prepare for before you write your
37:37
Speaker 1: opening statement, you gotta be ready for that cross exam.
37:41
Speaker 1: If the defendant takes a trial, takes a stand. Oh,
37:43
Speaker 1: I hope she takes a stand. What about it, Darryl Cohen? Well, Nancy,
37:47
Speaker 1: I would salivate and pray that's the defendant would take
37:52
Speaker 1: the stand, because then you have her or that or
37:58
Speaker 1: him in those days for the most part. But if
38:00
Speaker 1: she takes a stand, all bets are off. Frankly, and
38:07
Speaker 1: quite frankly, Bethany, I think you would agree. Her personality,
38:11
Speaker 1: her sociopathic personality, means she's invincible now. And she's invincible,
38:17
Speaker 1: so whatever she says under oath is clearly the truth
38:20
Speaker 1: because she can't lie, even though her truth seems to
38:24
Speaker 1: modify with each and every circumstance. And you know what else,
38:28
Speaker 1: you know what else, Nate eaton a legality. Yeah, she's
38:33
Speaker 1: going to be tried on three misdemeaners. She's the one
38:36
Speaker 1: demanding a jury trial, okay, And those three misdemeanors have
38:43
Speaker 1: nothing to do with murder. However, they do have to
38:48
Speaker 1: do with the hiding of the truth about the whereabouts
38:53
Speaker 1: of the children. So when she's cross examined, all those
38:56
Speaker 1: three misdemeanors, the dead body evidence will come in on
39:00
Speaker 1: cross exam. What's she going to say to that? Well,
39:03
Speaker 1: that's exactly the point the prosecutor made the other day
39:06
Speaker 1: that while they don't directly tie to murder, while police
39:09
Speaker 1: were asking her where are your children, she knew they
39:12
Speaker 1: were dead and buried in Chad's backyard. So the prosecutor
39:16
Speaker 1: said that while they were asking about where's your special
39:19
Speaker 1: needs son who needs medication to function every day, he
39:24
Speaker 1: was buried wrapped in plastic in Chad Davel's backyard. And
39:28
Speaker 1: the prosecutor made that point when he argued against the
39:31
Speaker 1: bond reduction because they were just the misdemeanors, but they
39:36
Speaker 1: were in furtherance of hiding dead bodies. He made a
39:40
Speaker 1: really good argument. The reality is you got to put
39:43
Speaker 1: up or shut up. You got to prove that in
39:47
Speaker 1: your indictment or it's not worth the hill of beans.
39:50
Speaker 1: Although what he said is absolutely true, guys, cult mom
39:56
Speaker 1: Lorie Valo gets a bond reduction, and it's now according
39:59
Speaker 1: to Nate Eating, demanding a jury trial. I can't wait
40:04
Speaker 1: on the three remaining misdemeanors in Madison County. She has
40:08
Speaker 1: a much bigger conspiracy to hide and conceal, destroy evidence
40:13
Speaker 1: at evidence the bodies of her two children in a
40:16
Speaker 1: neighboring county. So don't worry. She's not walking free anytime soon.
40:21
Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfalls. Remember tomorrow, July twenty two,
40:25
Speaker 1: d Day. According to Caltmaal Laurie Valo, that's the end
40:29
Speaker 1: of the earth. Okay, I'm pretty sure I'm not going
40:34
Speaker 1: to be one of the one hundred and forty four
40:36
Speaker 1: thousand head picked to go to the New Jerusalem. As
40:40
Speaker 1: hard as I tried, I don't think that's going to happen. Nancy, Yes,
40:43
Speaker 1: and do you have news for me? Jump into Scott
40:46
Speaker 1: Scott Hall and this is and it's kind of prophetic.
40:50
Speaker 1: She's talking about tomorrow. Maybe somebody will give her the
40:53
Speaker 1: scripture Isaiah forty nine fifteen, which says can a mother
40:58
Speaker 1: forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion
41:01
Speaker 1: on the child she has borne? It says, though she
41:04
Speaker 1: may forget, I will not forget you. So that's what
41:10
Speaker 1: she needs to be presented with in jail tomorrow is
41:14
Speaker 1: although she may have forgotten her children, okay, she will
41:18
Speaker 1: not be forgotten. In the end. She is going to
41:21
Speaker 1: get her justice at some point. Scott Hall a fitting
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Speaker 1: in to our program Today, we wait as justice on falls.
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Speaker 1: Fancy Grace crime story signing off goodbye friend,