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Speaker 1: Goodness is the report?
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson. Here's what's coming up tonight. The Albaneze government's
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Speaker 2: budget is two weeks away, but the spin has well
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Speaker 2: and truly begun. My panel would discuss that and more.
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Speaker 2: The hypocrisy of Disney Corporation is on show as they
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Speaker 2: continue to defend Jimmy Kimmel's latest offensive joke Rowan Dean.
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Speaker 2: We'll have more to say on that. Plus Peter Jennings
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Speaker 2: will join me to discuss the latest on the Iran
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Speaker 2: war and how close we are to a cease fire,
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Speaker 2: as well as concerns about our own preparedness for war
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Speaker 2: closer to home. So all of that up shortly, but
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Speaker 2: first talk about a contrast. Overnight, the United Nations was
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Speaker 2: busy electing Iran to help lead a conference on Nuclear
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Speaker 2: non proliferation. Can you believe that inviting Iran to help
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Speaker 2: lead an event designed to stop nations like Iran getting
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Speaker 2: nuclear weapons? Insanity? Then again, the United Nations recently invited
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Speaker 2: Iran to co chair a committee on human rights. So
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Speaker 2: the United Nations is insane, but consistently insane, which in
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Speaker 2: a strange way is its only remaining virtue, at least
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Speaker 2: madness when methodical spares you the shock of surprise. When
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Speaker 2: you look at the United Nations, it's tempting to despare
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Speaker 2: for the future. It's less a Council of Nations than
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Speaker 2: a kind of moral funhouse mirror. Everything inverted, everything distorted,
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Speaker 2: everything just recognizable enough to be disturbing. There was a
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Speaker 2: ray of light today in an otherwise increasingly dark world.
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Speaker 2: Say what you like about King Charles and his peculiar ways,
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Speaker 2: feel however you want about Donald Trump and his bluff
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Speaker 2: and bluster. The pair met in Washington overnight and reminded
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Speaker 2: everyone with ears to hear why the West, that unfashionable,
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Speaker 2: much maligned civilization is still the hope of the world.
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Speaker 2: Not because the West is perfect, but because uniquely the
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Speaker 2: West knows it's not. There were so many highlights, from
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Speaker 2: the King's address to Congress to the speeches both leaders
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Speaker 2: gave at a White House dinner, But let me start
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Speaker 2: with this. US President Donald Trump acknowledged that if it
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Speaker 2: were not for the brilliants of the UK, there would
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Speaker 2: be no USA.
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Speaker 3: Former colonies have no idea what they truly owe to
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Speaker 3: this towering legacy of law, liberty and British custom that
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Speaker 3: they were given. We were given that, and it was
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Speaker 3: a great, great gift.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if leaders here in Australia heard that the
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Speaker 2: US President scolding former British colonies for not appreciating that
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Speaker 2: colonialism was a great, great gift. Not a phrase to
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Speaker 2: hear often these days. Gratitude, after all, has fallen out
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Speaker 2: of fashion, replaced by that more modern sacrament, inherited resentment.
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Speaker 2: Here in Australia, our own Prime Minister pushes the Australian
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Speaker 2: flag to the side whenever he speaks, as if the
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Speaker 2: flag with the Union Jack tucked into the corner like
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Speaker 2: an embarrassing family secret, is something to be ashamed of.
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Speaker 2: But Trump stood up overnight and told the world that
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Speaker 2: British heritage was a gift which brings us to one
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Speaker 2: of the West's more curious habits, apologizing for the very
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Speaker 2: inheritance that made apology possible. I couldn't help but cast
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Speaker 2: my mind back to King Charles visit to Canada last May.
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Speaker 2: He spent the start of his address to Parliament there
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Speaker 2: not being appreciated, but apologizing.
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Speaker 4: I would like to acknowledge that we are gathered on
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Speaker 4: the unseeded territory of the Algonquin and the Shinabeg people.
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Speaker 4: While continuing to deepen my own understanding, it is my
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Speaker 4: great hope that in each of your communities and collectively
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Speaker 4: as a country, a path is found toward truth and reconciliation.
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Speaker 4: In both word and.
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Speaker 2: Deed, you almost anticipate a flute solo to come next.
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Speaker 2: As modern Western ceremonies perform, they're now familiar ritual acknowledge
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Speaker 2: and apologize, Acknowledge and apologize. It's what we do in
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Speaker 2: the West. We admit our sins, we perform acts of repentance,
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Speaker 2: but forgiveness is never given. And of course we all
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Speaker 2: remember the British Sovereign's last visit downunder. Don't we I
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Speaker 2: decide against our people?
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Speaker 1: Do not thou Land that get us? Fly your style
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Speaker 1: from us?
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Speaker 5: How bones our scull, our baby, our people de.
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Speaker 1: Were a training in this country.
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Speaker 6: Give up.
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Speaker 2: Now. It's not as if the US and the UK
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Speaker 2: have not had their difference, as they fought a bloody
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Speaker 2: war of independence. But Donald Trump stood today and said
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Speaker 2: a word sadly lacking in other parts of the West.
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Speaker 2: He said, thank you, thank you for the inheritance we
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Speaker 2: received from Britain, without which we wouldn't enjoy the freedoms
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Speaker 2: that we do.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, on the eve of our two hundred and fiftieth
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Speaker 3: year Jerish independence, learned to the sovereign embodiment of our
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Speaker 3: British heritage and say sincerely, thank you to our friends
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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom for the richest inheritance that any nation
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Speaker 3: has ever given to another.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, there's something almost disarming about gratitude
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Speaker 2: when it breaks out in a political climate more accustomed
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Speaker 2: to inherited guilt. But can you imagine an Australian politician
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Speaker 2: saying thank you to the Brits for the inheritance we
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Speaker 2: received from them. And that's a big reason Australia, once
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Speaker 2: the lucky country, is now so incredibly pathetic. Rather than
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Speaker 2: being thankful for our inheritance, we despise that we demonize it.
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Speaker 2: There's something else our elites love to run down, and
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Speaker 2: that's our Christian heritage. And here's where the story deepens,
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Speaker 2: because the West is not merely a political arrangement or
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Speaker 2: a historical accident. It is at root a moral vision
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Speaker 2: and that vision has a source. I have will listened
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Speaker 2: to the King addressing Congress overnight, the.
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Speaker 4: Christian faith is a firm anchor and daily inspiration that
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Speaker 4: guides us, not there any.
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Speaker 2: Person, The King says, Christianity is a firm foundation for life,
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Speaker 2: and gets a standing ovation. Can you imagine him saying
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Speaker 2: that in the Australian Parliament? Actually neither can I? I
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Speaker 2: wish King Charles would say it in England, But I digress.
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Speaker 2: The King of England tells the United States Congress that faith,
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Speaker 2: the Christian faith specifically undergirds everything, and he receives a
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Speaker 2: prolonged round of applause. Why well, because even those who
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Speaker 2: reject the creed still live off its consequences. The Western
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Speaker 2: idea that every individual has inherent worth, that conscience is sacred,
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Speaker 2: that power should be limited, that the weak should be protected.
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Speaker 2: These aren't self evident truths floating in the ether. They're
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Speaker 2: the hard won fruits of a civilization shaped decisively by Christianity.
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Speaker 2: Now remove the root and the fruit doesn't linger indefinitely.
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Speaker 2: Women's rights, the sanctity of life, care for the poor,
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Speaker 2: the dignity of work, the moral case for free enterprise.
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Speaker 2: These things didn't simply drift into existence on a warm
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Speaker 2: secular breeze. They came from a worldview that insisted every
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Speaker 2: human being bears the image of God. Take that away.
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Speaker 2: What he left with, well, history has run the experiment.
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Speaker 2: Atheism didn't produce its promised gentle utopia of reason. It
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Speaker 2: produced the cold machinery of communism, where millions upon milliams
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Speaker 2: were sacrificed, not for sin but for theory. Secularism has
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Speaker 2: given us gender fluid pronouns and a hierarchy of grievances
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Speaker 2: upon which we're busy building the most divided communities this
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Speaker 2: nation has ever known. Woke, Well, that's the ghost of Christianity,
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Speaker 2: but without God and without grace. The King he gets it,
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Speaker 2: and so do too. It appears does much of Congress
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Speaker 2: that the increasing rejection of Christianity and the increasing loss
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Speaker 2: of human freedoms we see around the West are intimately connected.
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Speaker 2: We need to again on a faith, not just personally,
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Speaker 2: but as a culture.
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Speaker 4: That gays as not only personally, but together as members
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Speaker 4: of our community.
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Speaker 2: I found this next part of King Child's speech interesting.
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Speaker 2: He underscored the value of tolerance of other faiths, which,
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Speaker 2: as you'll see, received a very big cheer. But he
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Speaker 2: went on to unapologetically affirm that triumph over darkness was
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Speaker 2: to be found in Christianity.
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Speaker 4: Having devoted a large part of my life to interface
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Speaker 4: relationships and greater understanding, it is that faith in the
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Speaker 4: triumph of light over darkness which I have found confirmed
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Speaker 4: countless times.
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Speaker 2: Now again, critics will say the king would do well
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Speaker 2: to make those comments in the UK, and that would
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Speaker 2: be fair, But at least this was a start. Maybe
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Speaker 2: it was safe to say it in the US because
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has more British patriotism than most British leaders.
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Speaker 7: Honoring the British King might seem an ironic beginning to
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Speaker 7: our celebration of two hundred and fifty years of American independence,
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Speaker 7: but in fact.
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Speaker 3: No tribute could be more appropriate. Long before Americans had
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Speaker 3: a nation or a constitution, we first had a culture,
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Speaker 3: a character, and a creed. Before we ever proclaimed our independence,
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Speaker 3: Americans carried within us the rarest of gifts, moral courage,
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Speaker 3: and it came from a small but mighty kingdom from
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Speaker 3: across the sea.
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Speaker 2: That kind of cultural confidence, that willingness to say, this
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Speaker 2: is who we are, and this is why it matters.
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Speaker 2: It's not arrogance, its memory and a civilization that loses
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Speaker 2: its memory doesn't become it becomes lost. Now, let me
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Speaker 2: lighten this up a little bit, because the other thing
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Speaker 2: that struck me about the King's Day in Washington was
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Speaker 2: the humor. Trump was funny, but we already knew he
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Speaker 2: was funny. Here he was introducing the King under gloomy
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Speaker 2: Washington DC skies.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, everybody. What a beautiful British day
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Speaker 3: this is, and it really.
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Speaker 2: Is well played. Trump was also quite charming.
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Speaker 3: I also remember her saying very clearly, Charles, look young, Charles,
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Speaker 3: he's so cute.
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Speaker 1: That my mother, My mother had a crush on Charles.
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Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
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Speaker 3: Amazing? How I wonder what she's thinking right now.
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Speaker 2: And of course Trump was self depreciating, which has not
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Speaker 2: commented on often enough. True narcissists don't do the kind
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Speaker 2: of self deprecation that Trump regularly engages in.
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Speaker 3: I want to congratulate Charles on having made a fantastic
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Speaker 3: speech today at Congress. He got the Democrats to sand
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Speaker 3: I've never been able to do that. I couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 2: And as entertaining as Donald Trump was, come on, even
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Speaker 2: if you don't like him. You've got to admit he's entertaining.
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Speaker 2: Seventy seven year old King Charles demonstrated the gift for
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Speaker 2: wit and perfectly timed delivery that would leave most politicians
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Speaker 2: in this country blinking at their notes two.
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Speaker 4: Hundred and fifty years ago, or as we say in
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Speaker 4: the United Kingdom just the.
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Speaker 2: Other day, nicely played, your majesty, nicely played. But the
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Speaker 2: best laugh of all was probably this, the very people
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Speaker 2: who've spent the past number of years marching up and
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Speaker 2: down America chanting no kings to protest Trump who's not
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Speaker 2: a king, rising to their feet to applaud an actual.
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Speaker 6: King presenting to you his majesty, Charles the third, and.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that, in the end is the whole story in miniature,
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Speaker 2: a world that no longer quite knows what it believes,
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Speaker 2: applauding truths it no longer dares to speak, borrowing still
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Speaker 2: from an inheritance it increasingly pretends to despise. The West
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Speaker 2: isn't dying because it's flawed. The West has always been flawed.
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Speaker 2: The danger is that it's forgetting why it was good,
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Speaker 2: forgetting that its ideas of liberty and dignity came from
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Speaker 2: somewhere forgetting that gratitude is the beginning of wisdom. Forgetting
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Speaker 2: that faith not as a private hobby, but as a
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Speaker 2: civilizational foundation, once held the whole structure together. You can
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Speaker 2: mock the past, you can apologize for the past, you
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Speaker 2: can even dismantle the past, but you can't replace the
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Speaker 2: past with nothing. The question isn't whether the West has
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Speaker 2: a future. The question is whether the West still remembers
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Speaker 2: the faith, the courage, and the gratitude that made it
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Speaker 2: worth having won. The events in Washington overnight filled me
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Speaker 2: with just enough hope that maybe the West is not
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Speaker 2: done yet. Well. Leading economists are expecting the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 2: to lift interest rates to four point three five percent
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Speaker 2: next week after figures released today revealed that headline inflation
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Speaker 2: for March had soared from three point seven to four
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Speaker 2: point six percent. That's well outside the RBA's target band
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Speaker 2: of two to three percent, and as you've probably guessed
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Speaker 2: by now, well, Treasurer Jim Chalmers tried to explain away
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Speaker 2: the spike in inflation by deploying the same excuse he
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Speaker 2: used since the war in Ukraine began, only now well
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Speaker 2: it's a different war.
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Speaker 8: The tick up in the monthly headline data today was
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Speaker 8: driven by the conflict, and this war could drive inflation
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Speaker 8: up even higher before it comes back down again.
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Speaker 2: But inflation's been growing under Jim Chalmer's watch since June
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Speaker 2: last year, when it was at a low of one
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Speaker 2: point nine percent. As is the way with this Albanezy government,
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Speaker 2: it's always someone else's fault. Joining me now is former
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Speaker 2: in South Wales Labour Treasurer Michael Costa and GXO Strategies
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Speaker 2: director Cameron Milner. Welcome to you both. Michael, I'll start
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Speaker 2: with you. Is the treasurer right? Is he as much
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Speaker 2: a victim in all of this as we are?
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Speaker 9: Well, look, you know what I think of this treasure
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Speaker 9: I called him a blame thrower for Frome, blame everywhere. However,
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Speaker 9: on these monthly figures, I think he's got a point.
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Speaker 9: But the point relates to the headline, not the core inflation.
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Speaker 9: And that's where the real danger here is. The core
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Speaker 9: inflation has stayed exactly the same, even after that rating crease,
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Speaker 9: the last ratingcrease, it hasn't moved and I think that's
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Speaker 9: where our fundamental problem is. You know, the RBA will
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Speaker 9: look through that headline number, It'll look at that core
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Speaker 9: inflation number, and that's why I think it has to
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Speaker 9: move very quickly, because you know it's been behind the
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Speaker 9: ball on inflation, and the core number is the one
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Speaker 9: that we're really concerning us.
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Speaker 2: Well, Cameron. The other lesson in all of this is
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Speaker 2: that it's a very expensive lesson. It's dangerous to become
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Speaker 2: a nation that outsources everything. We're now so reliant on
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Speaker 2: imports that will be inevitably caught out whenever there's a
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Speaker 2: crisis overseas well.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, it's a terrible situation that Australia has got themselves
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Speaker 10: into where we have to rely on the Middle East
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Speaker 10: for our fuel security. I mean, for goodness sake, one
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Speaker 10: of the most unstable areas of the world, run by
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Speaker 10: a terror state on one side of the Gulf, which
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Speaker 10: is blocking the strata humbers. To think that we don't
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Speaker 10: actually look after our own fuel security is an indictment
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Speaker 10: in our country and it's a wake up call to
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Speaker 10: the political class to get with it and make sure
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Speaker 10: we're a lot more secure. Japan has two hundred and
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Speaker 10: forty days. We had less than thirty at the start
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Speaker 10: of this Iran war.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, speaking of spending Labour's launched what looks
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Speaker 2: to be a publicity blitz to sell its budget spin
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Speaker 2: to voters. Addressing speculation around the focus of the budget,
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers had this to say, if.
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Speaker 8: You look at the way that we've changed and delivered
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Speaker 8: three tax cuts for example, that's all about intergenerational fairness.
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Speaker 8: If you look at the changes we made in superannuation,
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Speaker 8: that's about intergenerational fairness. So we've got an interest and
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Speaker 8: a responsibility to respond to what I think our legitimate
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Speaker 8: concerns about intergenerational equity. And so you know that as
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Speaker 8: we've been putting this budget together, that's been a key feature.
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Speaker 2: By my count. He used the phrase intergenerational equity and
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Speaker 2: intergenerational fairness about three thousand, five hundred and eighty two times,
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Speaker 2: give or take. Claims made by the Commonwealth Bank this
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Speaker 2: afternoon indicate that intergenerational fairness really is just double speak
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Speaker 2: for tax changes. Australia's largest banks said the government is
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Speaker 2: preparing to acts negative gearing and replace the fifty percent
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Speaker 2: capital gains tax discount with indexation. Cameron, what do you
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Speaker 2: make of that spin?
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Speaker 10: Well, I don't think it's spin. I mean it's ten
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Speaker 10: years old. I mean shortened went to the election with
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Speaker 10: these plans for negative gear and capital James taxes.
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Speaker 2: It's nothing new.
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Speaker 10: It was Albo who tried to put them and bury
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Speaker 10: them after twenty nineteen and walk away from labor re
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Speaker 10: form and now is crawling back on hands and knees
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Speaker 10: because they're the only tax leaders available. So no, I
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Speaker 10: think this is good reform. The danger is that Albow
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Speaker 10: will simply spend the money every which way rather than
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Speaker 10: spending it correctly. So I don't mind raising taxes to
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Speaker 10: actually do something to reform the system with The danger
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Speaker 10: with Albow is it's going to be more pen pushing
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Speaker 10: public servants and more gender war stuff as well, and
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Speaker 10: agendas is for it. Dian just you know dystopia. You
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Speaker 10: know that's the problem.
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Speaker 2: Michael, do you agree with that?
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Speaker 11: Take?
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Speaker 9: Look, I think there needs to be tax reform, but
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Speaker 9: I think it has to take the form of cutting payers.
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Speaker 9: You go taxes and business taxes. If you want to
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Speaker 9: stimulate the economy, that's where you've got to look. Let's
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Speaker 9: look at this proposal, and we don't have the details
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Speaker 9: at the moment, so we're speculating. They're talking about reducing
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Speaker 9: the capital gains discount down to thirty three percent from
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Speaker 9: the fifty percent. I mean, let's be clear here, that's
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Speaker 9: going to give you about two billion dollars a year.
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Speaker 9: That dumb policy they took to the election to cut,
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Speaker 9: you know, the hex payments, non means tested by the way,
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Speaker 9: anti labor policy cost sixteen billion dollars.
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Speaker 1: So it's going to take them, based on.
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Speaker 9: Those figures, five and a half years to recoup what
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Speaker 9: they've already spent. If you're really serious about intergenerational equity,
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Speaker 9: get the budget into surplus, consistently deal with the structural deficits.
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Speaker 9: I mean, who's going to be paying for the trillion
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Speaker 9: dollar debt that we've left, in fact our kids and
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Speaker 9: our grandkids. So there's the real in generational equity. This
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Speaker 9: government's got to stop spending and stop spinning. You know,
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Speaker 9: Albo's just a clueless slogan peddler and this is another
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Speaker 9: slogan mate.
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Speaker 2: Really well said, very good point. All right, to further
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Speaker 2: revelations today about the return of the so called Isis brides.
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Speaker 2: The sources told the Australian newspaper they're expecting these women
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Speaker 2: to arrive in Australia next week and of course they're
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Speaker 2: very own sharing marks, and revealed last night that authorities
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Speaker 2: are preparing to arrest two of the women upon arrival.
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Speaker 2: But the OS also reported that the United States has
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Speaker 2: been a driving force behind negotiations with Syria trying to
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Speaker 2: get these isis brides back to Australia, despite the Albanezer
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Speaker 2: government insisting it was not pursuing reparation and when asked
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Speaker 2: about repatriation rather, and when asked about Washington's role, Labor
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Speaker 2: had nothing to say.
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Speaker 11: We'll let the US government speak to their actions and views.
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Speaker 11: The Australian government has a very clear.
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Speaker 2: Position on this.
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Speaker 11: We do not support the repatriation of this group of
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Speaker 11: people and we have not facilitated or assisted their return
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Speaker 11: to Australia.
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Speaker 2: We are providing no support for repatriation and no assistance
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Speaker 2: for these people. Got the same question for both of
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Speaker 2: you on this. I'll start with you, Michael, Are you
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Speaker 2: buying that not at all?
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Speaker 9: I mean, they could have refused the passports. But look,
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Speaker 9: even if they take the position that they're sitting and
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Speaker 9: they should come into the country, look they need to
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Speaker 9: put some legislation through to make sure that these people
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Speaker 9: do not go on to welfare and benefits. I'm telling
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Speaker 9: you people will be outraged if it turns out that
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Speaker 9: we end up having another bunch of people on the NDIS,
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Speaker 9: on the warfare system. Certainly the police have got to
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Speaker 9: examine all of those people and ensure that they haven't
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Speaker 9: committed any crimes overseas. But I can tell you know
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Speaker 9: people will be outraged if they see these people on welfare.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, what about you when the government keep insisting, look,
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Speaker 2: this is out of our hands, we haven't had any
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Speaker 2: part in this, we can't stop it, We're powerless to
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Speaker 2: do anything. What do you think when you hear that
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Speaker 2: repeated over and over by our political leaders. Well, it's a.
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Speaker 10: Big lie because Tony Burk's got the red carpet out
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Speaker 10: for these people, He's got the concierge service for Isis Bright's.
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Speaker 10: I mean, this bloke is full time helping people like
20:48
Speaker 10: that come through through our gates without security checks, without
20:52
Speaker 10: sort of checking whether there were a wife or a
20:54
Speaker 10: terrorist over there, and that's what these people were. So no,
20:57
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm over the Albanize governments saying we have
20:59
Speaker 10: nothing to do with this. For goodness sake, did they
21:01
Speaker 10: know about the United States or not? And what I
21:03
Speaker 10: get is this sort of part time tough talking, full
21:06
Speaker 10: time crab walking. That's the problem with this government. You know,
21:09
Speaker 10: they want to talk tough, they don't want to do tough.
21:11
Speaker 10: They should lock these people, as you said, Michael, down
21:13
Speaker 10: and fully examine them, and if they're found guilty and
21:16
Speaker 10: breaking our laws, they should end up in jail. That's
21:18
Speaker 10: where they should spend their time.
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Speaker 2: A tough talking, crab walking government. I'm going to steal
21:23
Speaker 2: that and use it in the future, and I'll deny
21:25
Speaker 2: that I only got it from you. It's a really
21:27
Speaker 2: good line. All right. Before I let you guys go,
21:29
Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts on a pretty fascinating
21:31
Speaker 2: poll published by The Guardian today, support for One Nation
21:34
Speaker 2: has risen again, the party overtaking the coalition in the
21:37
Speaker 2: Essential Poll's primary vote for the first time. But maybe
21:41
Speaker 2: even more interesting and overwhelming majority of voters approve of
21:44
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson's party leadership, eclipsing both Angus Taylor and Anthony Alberanezi.
21:49
Speaker 2: Fifty two percent approve of how Pauline Hanson is leading
21:52
Speaker 2: her party, including thirty three percent of Labor voters and
21:56
Speaker 2: twenty one percent of Greens. Meanwhile, forty one percent proved
22:00
Speaker 2: of the job Albanezi is doing as Prime Minister, and
22:03
Speaker 2: just thirty four percent approved of the Opposition leader Cameron Angus.
22:07
Speaker 2: Taylor's got a bit of ground to make up, still
22:10
Speaker 2: doesn't any while Pauling Hanson seems to go from strength
22:12
Speaker 2: to strength.
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Speaker 10: Well she does. And the skypole that she led, this
22:17
Speaker 10: lefty essential pole for a few weeks now. I mean
22:20
Speaker 10: what we've got at the top of the parties for
22:22
Speaker 10: both Labor and the Coalition are tweedled and tweedled Dummer.
22:25
Speaker 10: And you wonder why the genuine article Pauline Hanson. I
22:28
Speaker 10: don't agree with the politics, but I can see that
22:30
Speaker 10: she stands for watching it, stands up for what she says,
22:32
Speaker 10: and that's what Australians want. They want authenticity, they want
22:35
Speaker 10: cut through, They want to get rid of the bs
22:37
Speaker 10: and the spin. They don't want to get the Canberra
22:39
Speaker 10: leaks any longer. They want the raw Pauline, and that's
22:42
Speaker 10: appealing for a lot of voters, and that's being evidenced
22:45
Speaker 10: in all the polling right now.
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Speaker 2: Michael I thought it was interesting that so many voters
22:49
Speaker 2: approve of the way Pauline Hanson is leading. One Nation
22:52
Speaker 2: because it was a couple of weeks ago that there
22:54
Speaker 2: was the controversy over the One Nation staffer who was
22:57
Speaker 2: a convicted rapist. The Nationals went hard putting out some
23:00
Speaker 2: pretty I thought below the belt advertising accusing One Nation
23:04
Speaker 2: of all sorts of things doesn't seem to have damaged
23:07
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson or One Nation.
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Speaker 9: I don't think it has damaged them, and I think
23:11
Speaker 9: the pharaoh Bi election will show that very clearly, particularly
23:14
Speaker 9: now that they've done the right thing both parties and
23:18
Speaker 9: swat preferences. Look, look, there's no surprise to me that
23:21
Speaker 9: people that like One Nation like Pauline Hansen. But you know,
23:25
Speaker 9: again on that two party preferred that's still a massive
23:28
Speaker 9: labor win and that you're worry with all of this,
23:32
Speaker 9: you know, splitting the sort of center center right vote
23:36
Speaker 9: is not really the solution of the problem. We really
23:38
Speaker 9: need to get on top and sure there's an effective
23:40
Speaker 9: coalition that actually hits into that two party preferred and
23:44
Speaker 9: we're certainly not there now.
23:46
Speaker 2: Michael Cameron always have the light to talk to you both.
23:48
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming on the program. All right,
23:50
Speaker 2: we're going to go to a break. When we come back.
23:52
Speaker 2: The former director of the FBI indicted for threatening to
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Speaker 2: kill the US president in a message delivered via seashells.
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Speaker 2: Rowan Dean joins me for that and more in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Well joining me now is host of outsiders and the world.
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Speaker 2: According to Rowan Deane, the man himself, Rowan Dean, good
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Speaker 2: evening to you. Rowan, He James right to have your company.
24:13
Speaker 2: I'm really well. Former FBI director James Comy has been
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Speaker 2: indicted by a federal grand jury for threatening to kill
24:19
Speaker 2: the president in an Instagram post last year. Here's the
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Speaker 2: Instagram post, shells arranged on a beach to form the
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Speaker 2: numbers eighty six and forty seven. James Comy captured the
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Speaker 2: picture cool shell formation on my beach walk. It'll be
24:35
Speaker 2: alleged that eighty six is common slang for get rid
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Speaker 2: of someone, and forty seven refers to Donald Trump, who's
24:40
Speaker 2: the forty seventh president of the United States. He's Democrat.
24:44
Speaker 2: Senator Mark Kelly on CNN.
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Speaker 5: If you are a perceived animey, he'll try to throw
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Speaker 5: you in jail.
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Speaker 2: I mean, these were you know, a bunch of seashells
24:53
Speaker 2: on a beach. What do you think? Rowan is the
24:56
Speaker 2: justice department making a fool of itself going after someone
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Speaker 2: for a picture of seashells.
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Speaker 12: Well, they may well, but I don't blame them for
25:04
Speaker 12: going after him. Let's not forgure. James Comey was the
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Speaker 12: head of the CIA for many years, or several years,
25:10
Speaker 12: and as such, James he would be familiar as you
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Speaker 12: and I both are with those most important Countess Spionages
25:17
Speaker 12: documents ever written, or certainly the most important ones written
25:20
Speaker 12: since the Second World War, and that's of course all
25:22
Speaker 12: the writings of Ian Fleming, known as the James Bond
25:25
Speaker 12: or Double O seven books. And in those books you
25:28
Speaker 12: will remember that Felix Lighter is the CIA agent who's
25:32
Speaker 12: James Bond's opposite number. And whenever James Bond got into
25:35
Speaker 12: any sort of trouble, he could rely on Felix Lighter
25:38
Speaker 12: to come along with some nifty sort of bit of
25:42
Speaker 12: equipment or way out of his problems and the idea
25:44
Speaker 12: and most of these stories took place by the way
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Speaker 12: on the Bahamas, in beautiful beaches with girls coming out
25:49
Speaker 12: of the surf and so on. So for James Comy
25:52
Speaker 12: to put a secret coded message on a beach which
25:55
Speaker 12: comes straight out of any Felix Light or any James
25:57
Speaker 12: Bond novel and not know what he was doing. I'm sorry,
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Speaker 12: I just don't buy it. The code, the secret code
26:05
Speaker 12: that James Comey put down there eighty six means to
26:08
Speaker 12: get rid of and forty seven means forty seventh to president.
26:11
Speaker 12: So he's quite clearly sending out a message not only
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Speaker 12: to anyone walking along the beach, any beautiful Bond babes
26:16
Speaker 12: or anyone else, but also he put it on social media,
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Speaker 12: so anyone in the world could read this message, and
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Speaker 12: for him to pretend that he didn't know what it
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Speaker 12: meant and it was just a nice collection of shells
26:25
Speaker 12: beggars belief. And clearly, you know this is the bloke
26:28
Speaker 12: who was the head of the CIA. It just doesn't
26:30
Speaker 12: pass the Bond Martini test, if you like. But the
26:34
Speaker 12: reality here is, James, Yes, the whole thing's a bit silly,
26:37
Speaker 12: but nothing is more serious than the fact that the
26:42
Speaker 12: CIA during the Barack Obama years decided or post Obama
26:47
Speaker 12: decided to turn its firepower on the president of the
26:50
Speaker 12: United States.
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Speaker 1: And that is undeniable.
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Speaker 12: And we saw four years of the entire Russian collusion nonsense,
26:57
Speaker 12: which was either the Deep State or the CIA, or
27:00
Speaker 12: whoever it was, doesn't really matter. It was the bureaucrats
27:03
Speaker 12: in Washington deliberately undermining their president. We've since seen several
27:10
Speaker 12: assassination attempts on Donald Trump. It's no joke to go
27:14
Speaker 12: around saying kill Donald Trump. It's a serious offense. Now,
27:21
Speaker 12: the real question is at what point, and this goes
27:25
Speaker 12: to other things as well that we see here in Australia,
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Speaker 12: at what point does freedom of speech become incitement to kill?
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Speaker 12: And that is what this jury will have to decide
27:36
Speaker 12: whether this message was free speech or incitement to kill.
27:40
Speaker 12: And there are plenty of other examples of that, but
27:43
Speaker 12: in this instance it doesn't. It's hard to believe that
27:47
Speaker 12: this fool didn't know what he was suggesting and therefore
27:51
Speaker 12: shouldn't reap the consequences of what can clearly be read
27:54
Speaker 12: as incitement to murder.
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Speaker 2: I've got to say, Rolan, I've learned a new legal
27:58
Speaker 2: term this evening, the Times Bond Martini test. I've never
28:02
Speaker 2: known that one before. There's been a lot of talk
28:04
Speaker 2: about the appropriateness or otherwise of Jimmy Kimmel's joke about
28:07
Speaker 2: Milania Trump becoming a widow for the three people up
28:10
Speaker 2: the back. Here's the joke I'm talking about. Our first lady,
28:13
Speaker 2: Milania is here.
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Speaker 1: Look at more's so beautiful, missus Trump.
28:17
Speaker 2: You have a glow like an expectant widow. Now that
28:22
Speaker 2: joke was aired on the ABC, which is owned by Disney,
28:25
Speaker 2: and Disney has defended both Jimmy Kimmel and the joke.
28:28
Speaker 2: But this is also the Disney corporation.
28:32
Speaker 1: Big changes coming to Disneyland.
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Speaker 9: Disney is doing away with gendered greetings throughout the park
28:38
Speaker 9: and resort.
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Speaker 6: Gone are ladies and gentlemen for boys and girls.
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Speaker 9: Instead, cast members who recorded messages will use hello everyone
28:47
Speaker 9: or Hello friends, So.
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Speaker 2: Help me understand this role. And the bosses at Disney
28:52
Speaker 2: are happy for staff to joke about the president being killed,
28:55
Speaker 2: but not happy for staff to call boys boys or
28:58
Speaker 2: girls girls because that would be insensitive.
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Speaker 12: Well, as you said earlier in the show, James, and
29:04
Speaker 12: well done for saying it, the world of wokeness is
29:07
Speaker 12: really the most nihilistic and soulless and if you like
29:13
Speaker 12: lacking religion or lacking any genuine morality, universe in which
29:17
Speaker 12: you have a fake morality, and the morality of woke
29:21
Speaker 12: is basically anything to do with transgenderism or homosexuality or
29:27
Speaker 12: whatever is good and everything to do with more traditional
29:30
Speaker 12: values are bad. And so Disney has really gone down
29:34
Speaker 12: that path. Jimmy Kimmel's joke as such, falls into exactly
29:41
Speaker 12: the same category of what I was talking about with
29:43
Speaker 12: the shells on the beach. Is it incitement to violence
29:47
Speaker 12: or is it not? Now he would argue, no, it's not.
29:49
Speaker 12: The timing is very unfortunate, was three days before a
29:52
Speaker 12: third assassination attempt on Donald Trump. But again, it can
29:57
Speaker 12: be read as an incitement to violence, and this is
29:59
Speaker 12: something that people and juries and others are going to
30:03
Speaker 12: have to think about. We see it here in Australia
30:05
Speaker 12: with terms like globalized the intavada. Is that an incitement
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Speaker 12: to murder? Arguably yes? Is it also a free speech issue? Yes,
30:14
Speaker 12: arguably yes. So we haven't really worked out what do
30:18
Speaker 12: you do with free speech when it is codified or
30:23
Speaker 12: a secret signal to encourage murder or death or violence.
30:28
Speaker 12: We haven't crossed that bridge yet, but I think that's
30:30
Speaker 12: where we've got to go. As for Disney, there are
30:32
Speaker 12: a bunch of jokers. What an irrelevant organization it has
30:37
Speaker 12: become with such a wonderful legacy that it had that
30:40
Speaker 12: Walt Disney left it. They've destroyed the fantasies, the dreams,
30:45
Speaker 12: the excitement of childhood and replaced it, as you rightly describe,
30:49
Speaker 12: this kind of godless morality of their own. And it's
30:54
Speaker 12: a real.
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Speaker 2: Shame, it certainly is. Rowan, I always love our chats.
30:58
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for making the time to who joined
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Speaker 2: me tonight, I really appreciate it. All. Right, after the break,
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Speaker 2: I'll be talking to Peter Jennings. We're going to talk
31:07
Speaker 2: about the King's visit to America. Does it mark a
31:09
Speaker 2: healing in the fractured relationship between the two countries, and
31:12
Speaker 2: what does it mean for the future of NATO as
31:14
Speaker 2: well as for Orcas All of that and a bit
31:16
Speaker 2: more next well. A lot of analysts were dismissing the
31:22
Speaker 2: importance of King Charles's visit to the United States, but
31:25
Speaker 2: maybe they were too hasty. King Charles gave an historic
31:28
Speaker 2: address to the US Congress in front of President Donald Trump,
31:31
Speaker 2: marking two hundred and fifty years since the States became
31:34
Speaker 2: independent from Britain. The King made crucial points about the
31:38
Speaker 2: strong bond between the two nations and the important role
31:41
Speaker 2: the US plays in defending Western liberal values. He even
31:44
Speaker 2: cited investment in defense as being vital, and he used
31:48
Speaker 2: Orcas as an example.
31:51
Speaker 4: The United Kingdom recognizes that the threats we face demand
31:56
Speaker 4: a transformation in British defense His way. Our country, in
32:01
Speaker 4: order to be fit for the future, has committed to
32:04
Speaker 4: the biggest sustained increase in defense spending since the Cold War.
32:09
Speaker 4: We are building f thirty fives together and we have
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Speaker 4: agreed the most ambitious submarine program in history, ORCUS.
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Speaker 2: To chat more about this historic occasion, I'm joined by
32:29
Speaker 2: Sky News defense analyst Peter Jennings. Peter, good evening to you.
32:33
Speaker 2: You've been critical of the Albanesi government's handling of Orcus.
32:37
Speaker 2: When we hear the King speak passionately about it and
32:40
Speaker 2: to a hearty round of applause from Congress, no less
32:43
Speaker 2: do we need to hear more enthusiasm from our own
32:45
Speaker 2: leaders here Well.
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Speaker 13: Jones, so wonderful to have the King of Australia go
32:50
Speaker 13: to Washington, d C. To talk up the ORCUS program.
32:54
Speaker 13: I thought it was fantastic and what a shame our
32:57
Speaker 13: own government isn't prepared to do it. You know, we
33:01
Speaker 13: face a risk with Augus it's going to die the
33:04
Speaker 13: death of a thousand cups if our government can't find
33:07
Speaker 13: some way to sell it to the Australian public, sell
33:10
Speaker 13: it to its own labor party, and you know, to
33:12
Speaker 13: look like it's enthusiastic about it when it's talking with
33:16
Speaker 13: the Americans.
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Speaker 1: And the British.
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Speaker 13: I thought King Charles's speech to Congress was fantastic.
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Speaker 1: I think it did a lot.
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Speaker 13: Of good to the bilateral UK US relationship. It's amazing
33:28
Speaker 13: to see how much the Americans actually like the British
33:31
Speaker 13: royal family, and Charles.
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Speaker 1: Was able to engage in some very useful advocacy on
33:36
Speaker 1: Australia's part.
33:37
Speaker 13: Look at that round of applause that has commented about
33:39
Speaker 13: August Gott with Congress, so you know he well done him.
33:42
Speaker 13: I think he's done great work and what a shame
33:45
Speaker 13: we can't be as enthusiastic about our own submarine project.
33:49
Speaker 2: The King also spoke about the importance of NATO and
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Speaker 2: the role it's played in conflicts have.
33:54
Speaker 4: Listened in the immediate aftermath of nine to eleven. We
33:58
Speaker 4: need to invoked five for the first time, and the
34:03
Speaker 4: United Nations Security Council was united in the face of
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Speaker 4: terror we answered the call together shoulder to shoulder through
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Speaker 4: two world wars, the colde War Afghanistan.
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Speaker 2: It was interesting hearing the Kings speaking about the need
34:20
Speaker 2: to stand shoulder to shoulder the UK the United States.
34:23
Speaker 2: That's been the history and ours. But lately there's any
34:27
Speaker 2: doubts creeping in when you listen to the retric from
34:30
Speaker 2: Penny Wong, from Anthony Albanesi, from Richard Miles about our
34:34
Speaker 2: commitment to be shouldered to shoulder with the United States.
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Speaker 13: Yes, well, the first thing to say is I'd like
34:40
Speaker 13: to see more of national security Ken Charles.
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Speaker 1: I think he did a really excellent job.
34:46
Speaker 13: But to go to your fundamental point, I think our
34:49
Speaker 13: government has a subtle strategy with the US relationship at play,
34:54
Speaker 13: and that is to try and distance camera from Washington,
34:58
Speaker 13: DC decisively, once and for all. And we see that
35:04
Speaker 13: in Anthony Albernizi's absolutely adamant determination not to build a
35:09
Speaker 13: relationship with Donald Trump. Now we've posted Greg Murriati, who's
35:14
Speaker 13: an effective public servant, but a low key public servant
35:16
Speaker 13: who's not going to be lifting the relationship to the
35:19
Speaker 13: level of the Oval Office. In his work as Australian
35:23
Speaker 13: ambassador in DC and then whenever Penny Wong or Albanesi
35:29
Speaker 13: is asked to talk about the president, they're doing it
35:31
Speaker 13: with a sort of a grin and a smile and
35:33
Speaker 13: sort of backhanded jokes about not really getting on with
35:36
Speaker 13: the president, as if these things aren't picked up in
35:39
Speaker 13: the United States. You know, we're having a bit of
35:42
Speaker 13: a bed each way kind of liking but not really
35:44
Speaker 13: liking engaging with the US, wanting to put more distance
35:48
Speaker 13: into the relationship. This is not the right strategy, and
35:51
Speaker 13: I think Charles was actually showing how the UK, because
35:55
Speaker 13: he's there obviously as a representative of the UK and
35:58
Speaker 13: the UK government, is just reminding the United States that
36:01
Speaker 13: the relationship is really important, just as our relationship with
36:05
Speaker 13: the United States is really important, and you know, we
36:08
Speaker 13: should be prepared to engage in a bit more serious,
36:11
Speaker 13: thoughtful advocacy.
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Speaker 1: Like that ourselves.
36:14
Speaker 2: Right, Let's go to the most recent conflict involving the US,
36:17
Speaker 2: and there's been dramatic footage revealing the moment US marines
36:20
Speaker 2: repelled onto a ship that was attempting to break Donald
36:23
Speaker 2: Trump's naval blockade in the straight of for moves. It
36:26
Speaker 2: comes as the US considers Teuran's latest offer for peace
36:29
Speaker 2: involving both the Iranian and US blockades being lifted while
36:33
Speaker 2: negotiations continue, which sounds rather advantageous to the Iranians. Peter
36:39
Speaker 2: are we had a point now where this conflict risks
36:43
Speaker 2: devolving into a stalemate that just is costing everybody way
36:47
Speaker 2: more than any of us can afford.
36:50
Speaker 13: I think what's interesting right now, James, is that this
36:52
Speaker 13: could end in so many different ways. Trump could snatch
36:56
Speaker 13: defeat from the jaws of victory by just bringing the
36:59
Speaker 13: troops home to so soon, leaving the Revolutionary Guard's Corps
37:02
Speaker 13: in charge of the straight offullness.
37:04
Speaker 1: That would be a disaster for the world.
37:06
Speaker 13: On the other hand, I think a stalemate is actually
37:09
Speaker 13: quite a possibility where the Americans actually have the upper hand.
37:14
Speaker 13: I mean, this strategy of preventing the illegal shipment of
37:19
Speaker 13: sanctioned Iranian oil to China is a smart strategy on
37:23
Speaker 13: the part of the US, and I think they should
37:25
Speaker 13: have been doing it weeks earlier than they are. And
37:28
Speaker 13: then Trump also has another option available, one that he
37:32
Speaker 13: doesn't seem to want to use, but he could choose
37:35
Speaker 13: to restart military operations I think specifically going after the
37:41
Speaker 13: Revolutionary Guards called leadership which are now preventing diplomacy from
37:45
Speaker 13: working in the peace talks.
37:47
Speaker 1: And that's something which potentially could happen in the next
37:51
Speaker 1: week or so.
37:52
Speaker 13: Maybe not sooner than that, because I think the American
37:56
Speaker 13: effort on the blockade is where their primary focus is
37:59
Speaker 13: right now. But don't underestimate that the Americans could still
38:03
Speaker 13: come out of this very well. It just needs consistency
38:06
Speaker 13: and determination from the President to stick the course. Sometimes
38:09
Speaker 13: he looks like he's getting frustrated with that, but the
38:12
Speaker 13: underlying strategy is quite sensible, regardless of what you might
38:16
Speaker 13: read from time to time on truth social.
38:19
Speaker 2: Just before I let you go, I wanted to get
38:20
Speaker 2: your thoughts on shadow defense Minister James Patterson's suggestion that
38:24
Speaker 2: maybe we should acquire long generation stealth bombers as a
38:28
Speaker 2: contingency plan, just in case the Orcust submarines don't materialize
38:33
Speaker 2: when expected. What did you think of that suggestion? Is
38:36
Speaker 2: that a smart idea?
38:38
Speaker 13: It's a very good idea, But I have to confess
38:40
Speaker 13: that I've written about it quite widely and also talked
38:43
Speaker 13: about it with I said it at Pattison over a
38:45
Speaker 13: year or more now, So I guess success has many fathers.
38:51
Speaker 13: It's a smart thing to do. Australias should keep the
38:54
Speaker 13: focus on UCUST, but we can't forget the fact that
38:58
Speaker 13: we need to have a defense force that strong right now,
39:00
Speaker 13: strong in the next five years, not just in fifteen
39:02
Speaker 13: or twenty years time. And the idea of acquiring the
39:06
Speaker 13: B twenty one stroke bomber, which is the newest stroke
39:09
Speaker 13: bomber coming off American production lines, now here's a good
39:12
Speaker 13: way to fill an interim gap in strike capability for
39:16
Speaker 13: the defense force. So I would hope the government would
39:18
Speaker 13: listen to James saying, look, let's at least consider this.
39:21
Speaker 13: Why can't we have a sensible conversation about it? And
39:25
Speaker 13: I commend Senator Patterson for bringing it up at the
39:27
Speaker 13: press club.
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Speaker 2: Well, Peter, always a light to chat, Thanks so much.
39:31
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Joe Rogan unleashes on the
39:35
Speaker 2: Albanezy government and a UNI student newspaper publishes an article
39:38
Speaker 2: calling for a global intovada. All that and more with
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Speaker 2: my panel in just a moment, Welcome back to the program.
39:47
Speaker 2: Protesters gate crash the PM's appearance at a resources sector
39:51
Speaker 2: breakfast this morning. In case you missed it, here's what happened.
40:04
Speaker 1: And we'll dance in the.
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Speaker 2: Joining me out of discuss this and more. Is GT
40:14
Speaker 2: Communications founder Gematonnini and Sky News contributed Caroline de Russo,
40:19
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both, Jimma. Protesters against Elbow. I know
40:23
Speaker 2: you're not a massive Elbow fan, but protesters give it
40:27
Speaker 2: a rest.
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Speaker 5: I think personally, I think we need to see when
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Speaker 5: it's that whole idea of people, when they show you
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Speaker 5: who they are, believe them, and these peanuts contribute nothing,
40:36
Speaker 5: and they are diluted into thinking that that is going
40:38
Speaker 5: to change something. And I'd love to know did that
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Speaker 5: guy get there in a car? Did he take the bus?
40:42
Speaker 5: Does he have a mobile phone? Has he divested his
40:45
Speaker 5: entire life of all semblance of fossil fus. I mean,
40:48
Speaker 5: they're just not well broadly, and I don't I think
40:51
Speaker 5: the mark of a civilized society is the ability to
40:54
Speaker 5: protest intelligently and protest peacefully, and that's neither of those
40:59
Speaker 5: two things. It's like a two year old saying, look
41:01
Speaker 5: at me, I'm so important and what I do is
41:03
Speaker 5: so critical, and I'm going.
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Speaker 2: To save the youth.
41:05
Speaker 5: Mate, Just go volunteer somewhere that would be better.
41:08
Speaker 2: Give you to society Carolyn. My thought when I saw
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Speaker 2: that vision, I immediately, I mean, it's only a few
41:14
Speaker 2: days ago that we had that attempt at assassination on
41:17
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. I know we're a very different country, but
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Speaker 2: I didn't think, thank god, we're a very different country
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Speaker 2: that we can have people like that in the room
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Speaker 2: with the Prime minister and there's no real threat.
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Speaker 9: No.
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Speaker 14: And in the US obviously you had everyone hiding under
41:32
Speaker 14: the tables, and here in Perth no one even stopped
41:36
Speaker 14: midmouthful of their bacon. So congratulations to West Australians for
41:42
Speaker 14: keeping calm and carrying on. And you know, he stood
41:44
Speaker 14: up on the stage he said stop up and magically
41:47
Speaker 14: the unicorns and the ponies and the fossil fuel production
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Speaker 14: all stopped and the world was this wonderful happy place.
41:53
Speaker 14: I think it's hilarious. I you know, you know, if
41:57
Speaker 14: you want to change the world, you need to bring
41:59
Speaker 14: peace people to your side of the argument, and you
42:02
Speaker 14: need to do that genuinely and substantially. And that there
42:06
Speaker 14: is the absolute polar opposite. And you know they were
42:10
Speaker 14: dealt with bisecurity. Off, they trotted, everyone got back on
42:14
Speaker 14: with life. And congratulations for quite frankly to you know
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Speaker 14: the detail who was there and Aaron Maury in the
42:21
Speaker 14: CMEA for like I said, keeping com and carrying on.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, the hits keep coming for the PM.
42:27
Speaker 2: Take a look here at the biggest podcast in the world.
42:29
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan calling out Elbanezi and our quote oppressive government.
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Speaker 15: Australia is such a crazy please, man. I mean, it's
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Speaker 15: bigger than the United States or the size of the
42:43
Speaker 15: United States, ruffling, and it has less people than Los Angeles.
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Speaker 6: And everything will kill you everything.
42:48
Speaker 15: We'll kill you every snake, every sneak, crocodiles they have
42:53
Speaker 15: saltwater crocodiles and giant great white sharks. Cool, hardy people, man, Yeah,
43:02
Speaker 15: come from that place. I feel like Texas and a
43:05
Speaker 15: lot of folks in Alto are a kindred spirits. Yes, yeah,
43:08
Speaker 15: I think so too. But Australia it's like it's the
43:11
Speaker 15: same kind of thing. It's like it's a rugged police
43:13
Speaker 15: and the kind of people that live there, they're fun,
43:16
Speaker 15: they're fun, kind of got a super up oppressive government.
43:21
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Caroline Rogan made the comments in his latest episode
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Speaker 2: with American country music star Ryan Bingham. Were his observations wrong?
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Speaker 14: His observations were correct across the board, and yes, everything
43:36
Speaker 14: will kill you. Yes it's massive. No, there's not a
43:39
Speaker 14: lot of people. And our government is absolutely woeful. And
43:42
Speaker 14: it's really interesting when you see your government being talked
43:47
Speaker 14: about in a foreign country or the probably the biggest
43:51
Speaker 14: podcast in the world, I think it's one of the biggest,
43:54
Speaker 14: and it's just spoken about in this blanket kind of
43:58
Speaker 14: term of this just terrible, all oppressive government. It's actually
44:03
Speaker 14: really embarrassing to have your country spoken about that way.
44:06
Speaker 14: But unfortunately I really can't disagree with him. We've now
44:09
Speaker 14: become an example of a cultural example. It's so tough,
44:15
Speaker 14: I think is a bit terrifying.
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Speaker 2: It's so true, isn't it, Jimmy, Because did it change
44:18
Speaker 2: after COVID. Prior to COVID, it seemed like the whole
44:21
Speaker 2: world thought Australians were Alaricans, we were fun, we were carefree,
44:25
Speaker 2: and then after COVID they regard us as you know,
44:30
Speaker 2: we winged, we dub on our neighbors and a government
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Speaker 2: that's oppressive.
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Speaker 5: COVID obviously was you know, we were governed by the
44:36
Speaker 5: Morrison government and I was one of many in the
44:39
Speaker 5: resistance against lockdowns and I felt like the way that
44:42
Speaker 5: we were treated in terms of your passport nothing because
44:45
Speaker 5: you couldn't come back to your own country. And it's
44:47
Speaker 5: a shameful episode in Australia's recent political history. But what
44:50
Speaker 5: I think it did was expose what's there. And in
44:53
Speaker 5: that old cliche about a crisis doesn't form character, it
44:56
Speaker 5: reveals character, and I think that revealed this Australian psyche.
45:01
Speaker 5: I mean, both Caroline and I did most of COVID
45:04
Speaker 5: in the great secession of state of we Australia, where
45:06
Speaker 5: people will like, govern me harder, keep the doors locked,
45:10
Speaker 5: why not let's start our own I mean people were
45:12
Speaker 5: legitimately saying, let's have our own country. And I'm like,
45:14
Speaker 5: interesting concept, what do we do for a currency like
45:17
Speaker 5: let's start there?
45:18
Speaker 2: And what about the Albanezi government as oppressive? Do you
45:20
Speaker 2: think Roagan? I think they are.
45:21
Speaker 5: I think I think he does, and I think there
45:23
Speaker 5: are a number of different ways of government can be oppressive,
45:25
Speaker 5: and one of them is financially oppressive. And we have
45:27
Speaker 5: an economic mismanagement the likes of which we haven't seen
45:30
Speaker 5: since Whitlam, and that's becoming more and more apparent with
45:34
Speaker 5: each passing day. We have socially oppressive policies on a
45:38
Speaker 5: range of different areas. And you know, when you look
45:42
Speaker 5: at like one of the stories we touched out on
45:44
Speaker 5: late debate on Monday night, we missed you by the way,
45:46
Speaker 5: it was the idea like the Prime Minister has allowed
45:49
Speaker 5: protesters to take over what was his electricit office and
45:53
Speaker 5: rather than exercising the law and saying, hang on a second,
45:57
Speaker 5: I'm not just an elect demand I'm the prime of
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Speaker 5: this country. You're not going to stop my stuff from
46:01
Speaker 5: coming to it And she said, oh no, you guys
46:03
Speaker 5: sit there and have it and I'm going to go.
46:05
Speaker 5: What does that tell you about the psyche of the leadership?
46:08
Speaker 5: And I use that term loosely of this government. I
46:10
Speaker 5: think there are a number of different metrics why whereby
46:12
Speaker 5: you can say the government's oppressive. It's oppressive from an
46:15
Speaker 5: energy policy perspective, this race to renewables doesn't matter who.
46:19
Speaker 5: He plunges into energy poverty. And the greatest area of
46:24
Speaker 5: sovereign risk to this nation is in the area of air,
46:27
Speaker 5: area of energy security. You know, people say oppression and
46:31
Speaker 5: they think, you know, locking people up without charge like
46:33
Speaker 5: we see in other countries. There's oppression the likes of
46:36
Speaker 5: which we see in Iran and China and countries like that.
46:38
Speaker 5: But there's a very different kind of point, and you know,
46:42
Speaker 5: the soft version of that, in my view is, you
46:44
Speaker 5: know the role of the e Safety Commissioner. That's role
46:46
Speaker 5: and that offers what are they there for?
46:49
Speaker 2: Very good points? All right, quickly before we finish. ASIO
46:52
Speaker 2: has been warning us that Chinese made electric vehicles are
46:55
Speaker 2: basically computers on wheels, and that comes with all kinds
46:58
Speaker 2: of security risks. Evs data about our travels, but they
47:01
Speaker 2: can also record a whole lot more, including conversations. The
47:04
Speaker 2: US is about to ban Chinese software in evs because
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Speaker 2: of security concerns. But riddle me this Caroline, why are
47:10
Speaker 2: Chinese made EV's continuing to be made available to federal MPs?
47:15
Speaker 2: Six more models have just been added to the list
47:17
Speaker 2: of taxpayer funded vehicles available to our politicians? What are
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Speaker 2: they thinking?
47:22
Speaker 14: Sometimes we can be such a stupid, guileless country and
47:27
Speaker 14: this is an example of that. You wouldn't catch me
47:30
Speaker 14: dead driving one of those things. And I mean I
47:33
Speaker 14: still drive a car that has got hydraulic steering, which
47:36
Speaker 14: basically makes it makes it vintage and probably should be
47:39
Speaker 14: in a museum. But I think there is a certain
47:42
Speaker 14: level of electrification which is very, very useful in cars,
47:48
Speaker 14: and obviously with evs it's even more so. But we
47:51
Speaker 14: always need to be careful about these things. And I
47:54
Speaker 14: thought we'd had this conversation a decade ago when we
47:57
Speaker 14: were talking about Huawei, and here we are again having
48:01
Speaker 14: apparently or not having the same conversation when there are
48:05
Speaker 14: these potential security risks. And I just think that that's
48:07
Speaker 14: totally unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: I mean Tony Burke, he's at Home Affairs Minister, right,
48:11
Speaker 2: and he said, oh, I just don't plug my phone
48:14
Speaker 2: into the system of the car. That way, no one
48:17
Speaker 2: can listen in on my conversations.
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Speaker 5: That's like saying, oh, I just don't roll myself around
48:21
Speaker 5: in chicken blood. But I let the fox into the
48:23
Speaker 5: headenhouse anyway, like it's had, respectfully, Minister, that's just a
48:26
Speaker 5: dumb response, and your average sixteen year old would look
48:29
Speaker 5: at that and go, well, that's just dumb. One of
48:32
Speaker 5: the happiest logistical moments of my recent years was selling
48:36
Speaker 5: my EV absolute dud.
48:38
Speaker 2: I remember you saying that you've got an EV and
48:40
Speaker 2: your initial excitement, I drank the kool aid quickly turned
48:43
Speaker 2: to this.
48:44
Speaker 5: I drank the car I remember, James Morigo, You've got
48:46
Speaker 5: to be kidding me, and I was like, no, no,
48:47
Speaker 5: it's great, and then it really wasn't great.
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Speaker 2: So I want to ask you before we finish up, Caroline.
48:53
Speaker 2: I mentioned at the top of the show that the
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Speaker 2: United Nations had voted to make Iran vice presidents of
49:00
Speaker 2: a conference looking at nuclear non proliferation. You just can't
49:05
Speaker 2: make this stuff up, can you. No, you can't.
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Speaker 14: And I thought that was like the Babylon b or
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Speaker 14: the Onion or something like that. But every time something
49:14
Speaker 14: like this happens in the UN or one of these
49:16
Speaker 14: other bodies, they just wipe away another layer of whatever
49:21
Speaker 14: credibility they have left. And I think when you're in
49:25
Speaker 14: the kind of well you've got the sort of perception
49:28
Speaker 14: issues that you have in places like the UN, maybe
49:32
Speaker 14: don't do things which are just so totally indefensible. And
49:36
Speaker 14: like I said, the remit of you know, satire stuff
49:44
Speaker 14: that You're right, you can't make it up. This is
49:45
Speaker 14: stuff that you absolutely can't make up. It is unacceptable
49:48
Speaker 14: and why are we paying for this?
49:50
Speaker 2: Indeed, very well said Caroline. Jemma really appreciate tonight. Always
49:54
Speaker 2: a lot of fun with both of you. All Right,
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Speaker 2: that's it for me. I'll be back tomorrow night, but
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Speaker 2: coming up right now. Sherry marks him