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- 0:00Welcome to Reformed Thinking. This is the show where we try to
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- 0:25needing to read stacks of books yourself.
- 0:28And today we are definitely doing a deep dive into, well,
- 0:31one of the weightiest theological discussions you can
- 0:33find, Jonathan Edwards and his doctrine of original sin.
- 0:38We'll be looking at how he built his case, how he argued for it.
- 0:41And also which is fascinating how he tangled with his main
- 0:45critics, specifically Doctor Taylor of Norwich and Doctor
- 0:48Turnbull. Right.
- 0:49The goal today really is to unpack Edwards defense.
- 0:52Understand what the disagreements were actually
- 0:54about with those critics. And see why Edwards thought this
- 0:56doctrine was so absolutely central to getting the good news
- 0:59of salvation. So yeah, get ready for some
- 1:02hopefully compelling points and maybe even a few surprises about
- 1:06how Edwards viewed humanity's natural condition.
- 1:09Let's get into it. It's quite something.
- 1:11You know how Edwards structured his work on Original Sin?
- 1:14It's not just him stating his views in isolation.
- 1:17No, it feels more like a like a direct response, doesn't it?
- 1:20A kind of running debate with specific books and ideas that
- 1:23were out there at the time. Exactly.
- 1:25He clearly saw this not as some, you know, abstract theological
- 1:30game. Right, but as something vital,
- 1:33foundational for Christian belief.
- 1:35For him, the stakes were incredibly high.
- 1:36This wasn't optional. OK, so if it wasn't just about
- 1:39winning an argument, why was this specific doctrine original
- 1:43sin so, so important for Edwards?
- 1:46What was he really trying to defend?
- 1:48Well, looking at the big picture, Edwards believed that
- 1:51understanding original sin properly reveals humanities, and
- 1:55he uses this phrase state of total ruin.
- 1:58Total ruin. That's a strong language.
- 2:00It is, and then he means it comprehensively.
- 2:02It's not just, oh, we sometimes make mistakes or have bad
- 2:05inclinations. No, for Edwards, it involved two
- 2:08things. Deep, inherent moral corruption
- 2:11within us, and also our exposure to terrible outcomes,
- 2:17consequences we actually deserve because of that corruption.
- 2:20So a deserved outcome. A just outcome, he'd argue, of
- 2:24moral evil. And without seeing that clearly,
- 2:27the whole idea of the great salvation by Christ, the Gospel
- 2:30itself, well, it loses its context.
- 2:33It's like you said before we started offering a cure when
- 2:35someone doesn't even know they're sick.
- 2:37Precisely that. It's like being handed an
- 2:39antidote, maybe a life saving one, but you had no idea you'd
- 2:42ingested poison. For Edwards, the gospel message
- 2:46rests entirely on this foundation.
- 2:48To really grasp God's good news, you first have to accept this
- 2:51initial, pretty grim picture of the human condition.
- 2:54It's the diagnosis that makes the cure make sense.
- 2:56And makes it absolutely essential.
- 2:58If you downplay the problem, you inevitably misunderstand the
- 3:02solution, its scale, its necessity.
- 3:04OK, that really clarifies the the urgency he felt.
- 3:07So when Edwards uses the term original sin, what exactly did
- 3:11he mean? Can you break down the
- 3:12components he was focused on? Sure.
- 3:14Edwards, and he was drawing on how theologians commonly use the
- 3:18term, then identified 2 main aspects.
- 3:20Both were critical for him. OK, what's the 1st?
- 3:23The 1st, and maybe the one people think of most often, is
- 3:26the innate sinful depravity of the heart.
- 3:30Innate depravity. Yeah, meaning a natural built in
- 3:34evil disposition, A moral corruption that's part of human
- 3:37nature from birth. So not something we learn or
- 3:39pick up, but something inherent. Exactly, it's our default
- 3:42setting. You could say a tendency towards
- 3:45sin that affects our thoughts, desires, actions right from the
- 3:48start. OK, that's the first part.
- 3:49What's the second? The second aspect is what's
- 3:51called the imputation of Adam's first sin.
- 3:53Imputation meaning. Meaning that Adam's descendants,
- 3:56that's us, are exposed in God's fair judgment to share in the
- 4:00consequences of Adam's original disobedience in the Garden.
- 4:03So we're held liable in a way for the results of what Adam
- 4:07did. That's the idea.
- 4:08It's about a just liability stemming from that initial act
- 4:12of rebellion, often understood in terms of Adam acting as our
- 4:15representative, our federal head.
- 4:17Right. So it's both things, an inner
- 4:18corruption and this kind of legal or judicial liability.
- 4:22That's a key pairing. It is.
- 4:24But that second part, the imputation, that sounds like the
- 4:27bit that would really draw fire, especially the idea of it being
- 4:30just how did Edwards handle that, particularly when his
- 4:33opponents were arguing against it based on God's justice?
- 4:37That's a really good question. And yet Edwards knew that was a
- 4:40sticking point. He's been a lot of effort on it.
- 4:41So how did he connect the two, the inner depravity and the
- 4:45outer liability? Well, he saw them as deeply
- 4:47linked. He didn't think you could really
- 4:49separate them cleanly. He argued they were so closely
- 4:53joined that proving one actually helped to establish the other.
- 4:56How so? His thinking went something like
- 4:58this. If it's true that all humans are
- 5:02born with this innate sinful depravity, this corruption that
- 5:05universally leads us into sin and ruin, then that widespread
- 5:10inherent condition must have a cause, a reason that can be
- 5:14justly traced back. And for him, that cause was
- 5:17Adam's sin. Exactly.
- 5:19It wasn't just that we suffer the fallout from Adam's sin like
- 5:23inheriting a debt. It was deeper in God's righteous
- 5:26judgement. We're considered implicated in
- 5:28it, or at least justly subject to its consequences, because of
- 5:31our connection to Adam. So the inner corruption we
- 5:33experience is, in a sense, the outworking of that original
- 5:37imputed guilt. That's how Edwards saw They're
- 5:39like two sides of the same coin. Our falling condition involves
- 5:43both the legal standing and the resulting internal corruption.
- 5:48He argued that the very fact of universal depravity is evidence
- 5:51that something foundational happened at the beginning that
- 5:54legally involved us all. OK, so Edwards wasn't just
- 5:57writing theological thoughts in his study, he was actively
- 6:00engaging in a debate, almost like stepping into a ring.
- 6:03Definitely. And who are the main figures in
- 6:05the other corner challenging this view?
- 6:07He primarily locked horns with two significant writers of his
- 6:10day who were pushing back hard against the traditional doctrine
- 6:13of original sin. Who were they?
- 6:15Doctor Turnbull and the one who got most of Edwards's attention,
- 6:19Doctor Taylor of Norwich. Edwards mentions reading such of
- 6:23the more noted opposers, and these two were clearly top of
- 6:26his list for a detailed response.
- 6:28He wasn't just picking off easy targets then.
- 6:30No, these were serious contemporary thinkers.
- 6:33He aimed to dismantle their entire opposing framework, not
- 6:36just poke holes in it. And you mentioned Doctor Taylor
- 6:39was central. How deep did Edwards engagement
- 6:42with Taylor actually go? Was it just a few footnotes or?
- 6:45Oh, much, much more than footnotes.
- 6:47Yeah, Edwards explicitly calls Taylor the author chiefly
- 6:51attended to in his whole work on the subject.
- 6:53Chiefly attended to. Yeah, and he describes Taylor as
- 6:55a late and specious writer. Specious is interesting,
- 6:59suggesting Taylor's arguments might look good on the surface,
- 7:01but we're ultimately misleading. Edward states very clearly that
- 7:05he closely attended to Doctor Taylor's piece on original sin
- 7:08in all its parts. His goal was that no one thing
- 7:11they're said of any consequence in this controversy should pass
- 7:15unnoticed. Wow, that's thorough.
- 7:16He read everything Taylor wrote on it.
- 7:19It seems so, not just Taylor's main book, The Scripture
- 7:22Doctrine of Original Sin proposed to free and candid
- 7:25examination, but also Edward says he looked at many things in
- 7:30that other book containing his key and exposition on Romans.
- 7:34So a really focused, sustained effort against Taylor's
- 7:38argument. Absolutely.
- 7:40He wasn't aiming for a quick rebuttal.
- 7:41He wanted a comprehensive, systematic takedown of Taylor's
- 7:45position on this doctrine. OK, this really gets us to the
- 7:48core of the disagreement. Then.
- 7:49What was it at bottom that Taylor and Turnbull just
- 7:53wouldn't accept about human nature?
- 7:54What did they fundamentally object back to?
- 7:57Their main point of contention, the thing they strenuously
- 8:00denied, was the idea that the heart of man is naturally of a
- 8:03corrupt and evil disposition. So they rejected inherent built
- 8:07in moral corruption from birth. Flat out rejected it, and along
- 8:11with that they opposed the idea that Adam's sin resulted in a
- 8:14corrupt nature being passed down to his descendants.
- 8:16They thought we started differently.
- 8:18Yeah, they believe we were born essentially neutral, or maybe
- 8:22even with a natural inclination towards good, not inherently
- 8:25bent towards evil. So if they denied this
- 8:28widespread corruption, what did they propose instead?
- 8:32What was their picture of humanity's basic state?
- 8:35Well, instead of corruption, they basically argued that good
- 8:38preponderance and that virtue has the ascendant in the world.
- 8:42Good outweighs the bad, generally speaking.
- 8:44That was their view. They looked at society and felt
- 8:47that on balance, there was more morality and kindness than vice
- 8:51and wickedness. Doctor Turnbull used an
- 8:54interesting analogy. Oh yeah, he said.
- 8:55Look, you don't judge the overall health of a population
- 8:58by only looking inside a hospital, right?
- 9:00Makes sense? Or you don't judge the general
- 9:03morality of society by only looking at criminals in court.
- 9:06He argued that the number of honest citizens and farmers far
- 9:09surpasses that of all sorts of criminals.
- 9:11So the bad stuff is the exception, not the rule.
- 9:14That was his point. He even suggested that criminals
- 9:16themselves probably do more innocent and kind actions in
- 9:20their day-to-day lives than actual crimes.
- 9:22Serious wrongdoing for Turnbull was relatively uncommon.
- 9:26That's why it stood out and got recorded.
- 9:28OK, that's Turnbull's analogy. Did Taylor have a similar one,
- 9:31warning against judging the whole by its worst elements?
- 9:34He did very similar logic, Taylor said.
- 9:37Quote, we must not take the measure of our health and
- 9:39enjoyments from a Lazar house, a what now?
- 9:42A Lazar house like a hospital for lepers or contagious
- 9:45diseases, nor of our understanding from Bedlam.
- 9:48The famous asylum. Right, nor of our morals from a
- 9:51jail. His point was the same.
- 9:53Judging humanity based on these extreme negative examples gives
- 9:57you a distorted picture. It doesn't represent the average
- 10:00person. Exactly.
- 10:01He believed those places showed aberrations, not the true
- 10:05general state of human nature which he thought was
- 10:07fundamentally capable of good, not inherently depraved.
- 10:11Both were essentially saying look at the big picture,
- 10:13humanity is basically OK. So Edwards is facing this, this
- 10:17fundamentally more optimistic view of human potential.
- 10:21How did he try to approach understanding human nature to
- 10:24counter that? How did he define this
- 10:26disposition or tendency he talked about?
- 10:29Edward's method was to look at outcomes.
- 10:32He argued we understand a disposition or tendency by
- 10:35seeing what happens constantly or generally in event.
- 10:39So look at the results. Yeah, especially if you see the
- 10:42same result happening over and over across a great variety of
- 10:45circumstances, and even when there are strong efforts used to
- 10:48the contrary that still don't manage to prevent it.
- 10:51Like trying to stop water running downhill.
- 10:54If it always does, that tells you something about gravity and
- 10:56slopes. That's a good analogy.
- 10:58If you consistently see a certain outcome despite
- 11:01different environments, different teaching, different
- 11:03attempts to stop it, then that outcome isn't just chance or
- 11:06circumstance, it points to some underlying prior inclination or
- 11:10disposition. So applied to morality.
- 11:13Applied to morality, Edwards argued, if humanity consistently
- 11:17universally shows widespread moral failure, not just isolated
- 11:20bad acts, but a universal pattern of sinning despite laws,
- 11:25education, conscience, societal pressure all trying to prevent
- 11:28it. Then that pattern reveals an
- 11:30inherent prior corrupt leaning within us.
- 11:33Exactly that constant general failure for Edwards was the
- 11:37proof of a corrupt disposition of the heart.
- 11:40The outcome reveals the nature. Now Edwards makes this really
- 11:43crucial distinction, which you mentioned earlier about
- 11:46considering human nature without divine grace.
- 11:49That feels key, but maybe easily missed.
- 11:52Why was isolating that natural state so vital for his whole
- 11:55case? It really is the linchpin.
- 11:58And you're right, it's often where the disagreement lay.
- 12:00He insisted that the true tendency of the innate
- 12:03disposition of man's heart has to be considered as they are in
- 12:07themselves or in their own nature, without the
- 12:09interposition of divine grace. So strip away God's help and see
- 12:12what's left. Pretty much to assess our
- 12:14natural state, you have to conceptually remove God's active
- 12:18benevolent intervention. An inherent tendency is evil and
- 12:21pernicious, he argued, if it's own nature leads to extremely
- 12:25pernicious consequences and utter ruin.
- 12:27Even if God steps in later. Even if God, out of free mercy
- 12:31and kindness, later intervenes to stop that outcome from
- 12:34actually happening to everyone, the point isn't what ultimately
- 12:37happens to every individual because of grace.
- 12:40It's about what would happen if things were just left to run
- 12:43their natural course without any divine rescue mission.
- 12:46So grace is like an external force, not part of the original
- 12:49system. That's exactly how Edwards
- 12:51framed it. Divine grace is a sovereign
- 12:54intervention. It's totally separate from our
- 12:56natural state. It's the remedy, the
- 12:58countermeasure. It doesn't change the disease
- 13:00itself, our inherent nature. It just reverses the course of
- 13:03things, as he put it, preventing the natural disastrous endpoint.
- 13:07So even if grace prevents, say, eternal ruin for some, the
- 13:11underlying tendency towards it and the fact that we deserve it,
- 13:14naturally that remains. That's not cancelled out.
- 13:16That's precisely his point, and he clarifies this further with
- 13:19this idea of a moral tendency or influence by desert.
- 13:22By desert meaning what we deserve.
- 13:24Yes, when he talks about moral depravity, he's looking at what
- 13:28our nature deserves. Let's use an analogy.
- 13:30Imagine someone commits treason. They legally deserve the death
- 13:34penalty. Now the head of state issues a
- 13:36full pardon out of sheer mercy. The crime was still real.
- 13:41The deserving of the penalty was still just, even though the
- 13:44final consequence was mercifully averted, Edward says.
- 13:46Our natural state is like that. We are justly liable to ruin,
- 13:50not because God actively makes us bad, but because of what we
- 13:53are and what we deserve in our fallen nature, apart from grace.
- 13:56So the deserving remains even if mercy is shown.
- 13:59Yes, grace testifies to God's goodness, not to our original
- 14:03innocence or lack of desert. This really clarifies that
- 14:06debate around God's justice, because Edwards's opponents
- 14:09would say it's unjust for God to consider us corrupt or liable
- 14:12because of Adam. How did Edwards flip that
- 14:15around, especially since he also relies heavily on God's justice?
- 14:18His counter was essentially to distinguish between what God's
- 14:21grace does and what God's justice would permit or require
- 14:25if grace wasn't involved. He famously said the controversy
- 14:28is not what Grace will do, but what justice might do.
- 14:31What justice might do? His point was, if our natural
- 14:35exposure to ruin is indeed in a way of justice, meaning we
- 14:40justly deserve it, then the very need for divine grace proves the
- 14:44point. How so?
- 14:46Well, if we weren't justly deserving of ruin to begin with,
- 14:49then justice alone would be sufficient.
- 14:51We wouldn't need Grace to save us from a just outcome.
- 14:54He accused Doctor Taylor of confusing the issue by looking
- 14:57at humanity's state after Grace has intervened and then drawing
- 15:00conclusions about the original state being somehow OK or
- 15:04rectified. Taylor thought Grace fixed an
- 15:06unjust system. Edwards felt Taylor implied that
- 15:09suggesting grace was like a compensation or correction for a
- 15:12basically unfair foregoing constitution.
- 15:15Edwards pushed back hard. Grace isn't making up for God
- 15:19being unfair earlier. It's.
- 15:20Not compensation. No, it's sovereign favor shown
- 15:22to those who justly deserve the opposite.
- 15:24The very fact that grace is necessary for Edwards
- 15:26demonstrates that our natural condition, apart from it, is one
- 15:29that justly warrants destruction.
- 15:31That's a really subtle but critical distinction he's
- 15:33making. OK, so given all that, what was
- 15:35Edwards core claim, his main proposition about humanity's
- 15:39natural state that he set out to?
- 15:40Prove his central assertion, The thing he aimed to demonstrate
- 15:44was this, and it's quite stark. Mankind are all naturally in
- 15:49such a state as is attended without fail with this
- 15:54consequence or issue, that they universally run themselves into,
- 15:57that which is in effect their own utter eternal perdition, as
- 16:01being finally a curse of God, and the subjects of his remedy,
- 16:04less wrath through sin. Wow, so inevitably heading for
- 16:08utter eternal perdition under God's wrath because of sin.
- 16:11That's. Blunt it is, and he believed he
- 16:13could prove this by establishing 2 key things, two pillars for
- 16:16his argument. What were the 2 pillars?
- 16:171st that all mankind universally without exception commits sin.
- 16:21OK. Universal sinfulness.
- 16:23Pillar One. 2nd that all sin, even the smallest, justly
- 16:26deserves and exposes the Sinner to utter and eternal
- 16:29destruction. OK, sin deserves eternal ruin.
- 16:31Pillar 2. If he could establish both of
- 16:33those firmly, then his conclusion that our nature must
- 16:37be inherently corrupt and headed for ruin would follow logically
- 16:41in his view. All right, let's look at that
- 16:42first pillar, then the Universal Commission of sin.
- 16:45How did Edwards make the case for that?
- 16:46What evidence did he pull out? He marshalled a really wide
- 16:49range of scriptural evidence. He's wasn't just picking
- 16:52isolated verses. He was showing a consistent
- 16:54theme running through the Bible. Like what?
- 16:57Well, think of Solomon's prayer in First Kings 8.46, stating
- 17:01plainly there is no man that sinneth not.
- 17:05It's presented as a basic fact of human existence.
- 17:08Or. Ecclesiastes 7.20 which says
- 17:11almost the same thing. There is not a just man upon
- 17:13earth that doeth good and sinneth not.
- 17:16He also used Psalm 143.2. The plea in thy sight shall no
- 17:20man living be justified. So Old Testament texts.
- 17:23And New Testament 2 heavily relying on the apostle Paul,
- 17:26Romans 3.1920 is crucial where Paul says the law exists so that
- 17:30every mouth may be stopped and all the world become guilty
- 17:33before God, and then concludes therefore by the deeds of the
- 17:35law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.
- 17:38Basically, everyone is guilty. No one gets justified by works.
- 17:42That's Paul's point, yeah. Edwards also pointed to
- 17:44Galatians 3 verse 10 saying as many as are of the works of the
- 17:48law are under the curse, and verse 22 saying the Scripture
- 17:51hath concluded or shut up all under sin, like we're all
- 17:55imprisoned together by sin. And then there's first John 1
- 17:58verses 7 to 10, which talks about the need for all believers
- 18:01to confess sin, implying it's a universal issue even for
- 18:04Christians. So direct statements, but
- 18:07anything else? Yeah, he also pointed to
- 18:10practices commanded in the Old Testament, like the universal
- 18:12requirement for sacrifices or the ransom money required for
- 18:15everyone counted in Israel in Exodus 30.
- 18:19Edward saw these as symbolic recognitions of universal guilt
- 18:22and the need for atonement for everyone, not just a few bad
- 18:25apples. OK, that's a strong biblical
- 18:27case. Now, you mentioned something
- 18:28remarkable earlier that Doctor Taylor, the main opponent,
- 18:31actually kind of conceded this point about universal sin.
- 18:34How did that happen? Yeah, this is where Edwards's
- 18:36argument gets really interesting and frankly, quite clever.
- 18:39Strategically, Taylor, even while arguing against inherent
- 18:42inherited sin, made some statements that Edwards seized
- 18:46upon. What did Taylor admit?
- 18:48Well, Taylor acknowledged that God's standard is perfection.
- 18:51He said God can never require imperfect obedience or by his
- 18:55holy law, allow us to be guilty of anyone's sin.
- 18:58How small so ever? So the standard is absolute
- 19:01perfection. Any slip up is sin.
- 19:03Exactly, and building on that, Taylor then explicitly stated
- 19:07and Edwards quotes him. No one of mankind from the
- 19:09beginning of the world can ever be justified by the law, because
- 19:12everyone transgresses it. Everyone transgresses it, Taylor
- 19:15said that. He did, and then Taylor even
- 19:17asks rhetorically for who when from the beginning of the world
- 19:21could be saved. It's this crystal clear mission
- 19:24of universal failure to meet the laws standard coming straight
- 19:27from the mouth of the guy arguing against original sin.
- 19:30Wow, so Taylor basically handed Edwards the evidence for his
- 19:34first pillar. Pretty much, Edwards highlighted
- 19:37this concession effectively saying, look, even my main
- 19:39opponent agrees that absolutely everyone fails to keep God's
- 19:43perfect law. It was a major point for
- 19:45Edwards. OK.
- 19:46That's a huge concession now for the second pillar, that all sin
- 19:51justly deserves eternal destruction.
- 19:54How did Edwards argue for that? What's the standard for
- 19:57judgement here? The standard for Edwards is
- 20:00God's moral law. He describes this law not as
- 20:03arbitrary rules, but is the reflection of God's own
- 20:06perfectly holy, just and good nature.
- 20:09It's everlasting, unchangeable, rooted in everlasting truth and
- 20:13righteousness. And its demands are.
- 20:14Absolute. It requires perfect obedience
- 20:17and not just an outward actions. It reaches into the heart,
- 20:19condemning even less than irregular desires, the minutest
- 20:22branches of sin. Nothing escapes it.
- 20:25And the consequences for breaking it?
- 20:27Because the law is so perfect and absolute, it's condemning
- 20:29power is also absolute. Edwards points to Paul calling
- 20:32it the letter that kills the ministration of death and the
- 20:35ministration of condemnation in 2nd Corinthians 3.
- 20:38Strong terms. Very.
- 20:40And the penalty prescribed by this law for every
- 20:42transgression, Edwards argues, is death.
- 20:44But, he clarifies, this isn't just physical death, it's final
- 20:48prediction, The second death, eternal ruin in essence,
- 20:52everlasting wrath and curse. And Edwards argued that this
- 20:55severe penalty, eternal ruin for even a small sin, is actually
- 20:58just. That seems hard to grasp for
- 21:01many. How did he defend that?
- 21:03He insisted it is just. He argued that this punishment,
- 21:06even for the least sin, is just and righteous and perfectly
- 21:09agreeable to truth in the nature of things.
- 21:12God's justice, he said, weighs things in an even balance.
- 21:15It sees things as they truly are.
- 21:17So the law reveals the true nature of sin.
- 21:19Yes, it shows sin in its proper colors, revealing what it really
- 21:23is, an exceeding, great and deadly evil.
- 21:25The reason even a seemingly small sin deserves such a
- 21:28massive punishment, in Edward's view, comes down to who is being
- 21:32sinned against. God himself.
- 21:33Exactly. A sin against an infinite,
- 21:36perfectly holy God is an infinitely serious offense.
- 21:40The gravity isn't measured by the size of the ACT itself, but
- 21:43by the infinite majesty and holiness of the one offended.
- 21:47So for Edwards, eternal punishment isn't
- 21:49disproportionate, it's the just reflection of offending infinite
- 21:53goodness. OK, I see the logic now.
- 21:56The really surprising part again.
- 21:58Did Doctor Taylor also concede this point about Sins just
- 22:01penalty? It seems like that would
- 22:03completely undermine his whole case against inherent ruin.
- 22:06It's just as striking as his first concession, maybe even
- 22:09more so. Edwards points out that Taylor
- 22:11himself confesses and asserts that God's law justly threatens
- 22:16sin with death. Thusly threatens death.
- 22:17Yes, and Taylor agreed that the law reveals the natural and
- 22:20proper demerit of sin, demerit meaning what sin inherently
- 22:24deserves. So Taylor agreed.
- 22:26Sin deserves death. You did.
- 22:28Taylor affirm that everything is in strict justice, deserving of
- 22:31wrath and punishment, and he even agreed that the death
- 22:33threatened by the law is eternal death or final perdition.
- 22:36That's astonishing. It really is.
- 22:39Edwards quotes Taylor making incredibly strong statements
- 22:42like if we once transgress we are ruined forever.
- 22:46That shows Taylor clearly understood the laws.
- 22:49Absolute condemning power. Once transgress ruined forever.
- 22:52Wow. Taylor also acknowledged that
- 22:54without God's mercy, the situation for anyone under such
- 22:58a law must be quite deplorable. So you have this tension.
- 23:02Taylor denies inherent inherited corruption.
- 23:05It admits that any actual sin, which he also admits is
- 23:08universal, justly deserves eternal ruin.
- 23:11Edwards must have seen that tension as a huge opening.
- 23:13Oh absolutely. He basically used Taylor's own
- 23:15words about the law's justice and sins desert to build his
- 23:19second pillar. So with these two pillars
- 23:21seemingly established, even with Taylor's help, universal sin and
- 23:24sin justly deserving eternal ruin, what does the law itself
- 23:29offer people? Any hope there?
- 23:30According to Edwards, none whatsoever the law precisely
- 23:34because it's perfect and just supply of neither help nor hope
- 23:37to the center. It just can.
- 23:38It diagnosis the problem perfectly reveals our utter
- 23:41failure and pronounces the just sentence.
- 23:45It leaves humanity, as Edwards put it, under the power of sin
- 23:48and sentence of death. It's like a perfect mirror
- 23:51showing you your fatal flaw and a judge delivering the
- 23:54inevitable verdict but offering no way out.
- 23:57Right. No escape route provided by the
- 23:59law itself. None at all.
- 24:01Which leads us directly then, to the need for divine grace.
- 24:05How does Edwards introduce grace into this picture?
- 24:08How does it relate to this seemingly hopeless situation
- 24:11under the law? Edwards presents grace as
- 24:13something completely external to this system of law and deserved
- 24:17consequence. He calls it something altogether
- 24:19independent on it, meaning independent of our natural
- 24:22tendency or what we deserve. It comes from outside.
- 24:24Yes, it's introduced to oppose the natural tendency and reverse
- 24:28the course of things. It's not a natural development
- 24:30or something earned. Its whole point is to save man
- 24:33from deserved ruin, and to prevent the fatal consequence
- 24:36that our nature would otherwise lead to.
- 24:38And this is the grace for pardon and salvation.
- 24:41Exactly the grace needed for pardon and salvation.
- 24:45The very thing Taylor admitted we all need to fly to his God's
- 24:48mercy for, precisely because no one can be justified by the law
- 24:53standards. So grace is God's sovereign,
- 24:55unearned rescue operation. That's the idea.
- 24:59Not a correction of an unfair system, but a totally free act
- 25:02of favor intervening in a system where condemnation was justly
- 25:05deserved. It's a whole new factor entering
- 25:08the equation. Now let's just circle back one
- 25:10more time to that crucial nuance, because it seems so easy
- 25:12to misunderstand, Edwards insists.
- 25:15Grace doesn't change our inherent nature or what that
- 25:17nature deserves in itself. Right, absolutely vital to
- 25:20restate that he hammers this point.
- 25:22The interposition of divine grace does not alter the nature
- 25:26of things as they are in themselves.
- 25:27Meaning meaning grace doesn't magically make our natural state
- 25:30non corrupt, nor does it make us retroactively undeserving of
- 25:34ruin. The true nature and tendency of
- 25:36humanity state which is 1 of justly deserving ruin.
- 25:39That remains what it is. Grace just steps in to prevent
- 25:42the deserved outcome. Like the part?
- 25:44What an analogy again. Exactly.
- 25:46The pardon doesn't mean the crime doesn't happen or didn't
- 25:48deserve punishment, it just cancels the punishment.
- 25:52Grace prevents the consequence without denying the original
- 25:55demerit or the inherent depravity.
- 25:57And the very fact that grace is needed is proof for Edward, yes.
- 26:02He concludes that the necessity of grace itself shows that our
- 26:05liableness to misery and ruin comes in a way of justice.
- 26:09If we weren't justly ruined, if justice alone would see us safe,
- 26:13grace wouldn't be required. Grace is needed precisely
- 26:17because justice condemns us. It's God's free kindness
- 26:20stepping in where justice would otherwise have its due course.
- 26:24OK, so Edwards has built his case on these two pillars.
- 26:27Universal sin. Sin deserving eternal ruin,
- 26:29heavily supported, ironically, by his opponent.
- 26:33How does he bring it all together?
- 26:34What's the final unifying conclusion about original sin
- 26:36and the human condition? His final conclusion flows
- 26:39directly from those two established pillars.
- 26:41He argues. If it's true that all mankind
- 26:43universally commit sin Killer 1, and if it's true that all sin
- 26:46justly deserves eternal destruction, then the logical
- 26:49consequence is that the natural state of the mind of man is
- 26:52attended with the propensity of nature which is prevalent and
- 26:55effectual to such an issue. Meaning our nature reliably
- 26:59leads to this outcome. And that therefore their nature
- 27:02is corrupt and depraved with a moral depravity that amounts to
- 27:06and implies their utter undoing. So the conclusion is innate
- 27:10ruinous corruption. Yes, but simply our natural
- 27:13state without fail, attended without fail, he says, leads to
- 27:17utter eternal perdition, resulting in us being finally
- 27:21accursed of God and the subjects of his remedy, less wrath
- 27:24through sin. It's a chain of reasoning,
- 27:27universal outcome plus just consequence for the actions
- 27:30leading to it. It's an inherent flaw in the
- 27:31source. And what are the implications of
- 27:33accepting this conclusion for Edwards?
- 27:35Why did he fight so hard for it? Why is it more than just a point
- 27:38of theology? For Edwards, this wasn't just
- 27:40one doctrine among many. He was absolutely foundational.
- 27:43He believed that recognizing that all mankind or by nature in
- 27:46a state of total ruin changes everything.
- 27:49It's the essential backdrop against which the Gospel makes
- 27:52sense. His diagnosis of our natural
- 27:55state makes the great salvation by Christ not just helpful, not
- 27:59just a nice offer, but utterly essential.
- 28:02It's the only remedy to the disease.
- 28:04Without it, the gospel isn't really necessary.
- 28:06Or at least it's necessity isn't properly understood.
- 28:10All real understanding of the gospel for Edwards depends on
- 28:14grasping this first. If you don't see the depth of
- 28:17the problem or natural state of ruin and just condemnation, then
- 28:21you can't possibly appreciate the magnitude, the wonder, the
- 28:24sheer grace of God saving work in Christ.
- 28:26It makes Christ's work seem less significant if the problem isn't
- 28:30that bad. Exactly.
- 28:32If we're not truly lost and justly ruined by nature, then
- 28:35Christ's sacrifice might seem like an overreaction, or maybe
- 28:38just one option among others. But for Edwards, acknowledging
- 28:41original sin is what allows us to see the grace of God in its
- 28:44true, breathtaking context. It makes salvation truly
- 28:47amazing. Well, we've certainly covered a
- 28:49lot today, seeing how Edwards built his case for original sin,
- 28:53arguing that our natural state is inherently corrupt, leading
- 28:56inevitably to sin and justly deserving ruin.
- 28:59And it really is striking how he used his opponent's own
- 29:02statements, particularly Taylor's concessions about God's
- 29:06perfect law and our universal failure to strengthen his own
- 29:09points. Yeah, a very skillful detail
- 29:12argument. It was a real intellectual
- 29:14undertaking. Definitely.
- 29:15You know, thinking about all this raises a further thought.
- 29:18If Edwards is right, if our natural state apart from God's
- 29:22act of favor, really is 1 tending towards utter ruin, how
- 29:26should that change how we see grace in our everyday lives?
- 29:29Not just the grace that saves us eternally, but common grace.
- 29:34That's an interesting angle. Does it maybe push us to see the
- 29:36good things we experience? Moments of kindness?
- 29:39Maybe societal order? Even just the fact that things
- 29:42aren't constantly falling apart? Not as proof that we're
- 29:44inherently good, but as constant, quiet examples of
- 29:47God's kindness. A God actively holding back the
- 29:50full consequences of our fallenness.
- 29:52Yeah, preventing deserved outcomes in countless small
- 29:54ways, day by day, even for people who don't acknowledge him
- 29:58at all. Maybe the goodness we see isn't
- 30:00evidence against depravity, but evidence of God's restraining,
- 30:03preserving grace. That certainly puts a different
- 30:06spin on things. It makes you think about how
- 30:08much we might be spared constantly without even
- 30:11realizing it. Something to consider, perhaps,
- 30:13how much is held back not by our merit, but by an unseen divine
- 30:18hand. A sobering yet potentially
- 30:20gratitude inducing thought. Well, we hope this deep dive
- 30:23into Edwards arguments has given you a clearer picture of this
- 30:26really foundational theological doctrine.
- 30:28Thanks for joining us on the Deep Dive.
- 30:30Until next time, keep considering.